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    140 Responses to “Natalee Holloway Case Update – Natalee’s Parents Are Both Headed To Aruba. Texas Equusearch Assisting In Search. Prosecutors Decide To Have A Judge Go To Kalpoes Instead Of Bringing Kalpoes In To Court.”

    1. martini on November 23rd, 2007 4:49 pm

      Amigoe.com in English

      ORANJESTAD — Joran van der Sloot (20) and the brothers Deepak (24) and Satish Kalpoe (21) are re-arrested in the disappearance case of the American teenager Natalee Holloway in May of 2005 in Aruba. They are now suspected of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway. Citing ‘new evidence in the case’, as the Public Prosecutor formulates in a yesterday afternoon press release that surfaced during recent investigation, in which also Dutch detectives were involved. According to Chief of Police Peter de Witte, there is ‘new evidence’ that legitimizes the suspects’ re-arrest.

      Joran was taken before the examining magistrate in Arnhem, the Netherlands, where he lives. The judge in Aruba has already decided to take Van der Sloot in custody, so the examining magistrate didn’t have to this, but he informed Van der Sloot of the contents of the arrest warrant. Van der Sloot must go to Aruba within eight days, but he will go sooner, probably on Friday already. The brothers Kalpoe, who were arrested in Aruba, will remain in custody for two days.

      Joran van der Sloot’s lawyer in Aruba, Ariean de Bie, considers the arrest of his client as a ‘last convulsion’ of Justice. “I consider the entire operation as a desire to take a last action as part of the closing of the investigation.” He suspects that the case is concluded, but that the OM wants to see what’s left to effect with the arrests of Van der Sloot and his two Surinamese friends.

      Also the American lawyer of Van der Sloot, Joe Tacopina, doesn’t seem to be worried about the fate of his client and does not attach much importance to the arrest. He assumes that the ‘new evidence’ that the OM has, does not concern his client. He assumes that the evidence is not forensic, but more like a new witness that presented him/herself later.

      Even though lawyer Paul van der Sloot, Joran’s father, and his wife are hemmed in media people, they both wait very calm until they learn about the new evidence. “I am not aware of new evidence”, reacted Paul van der Sloot. “Fact is that he is arrested and we try to follow the case as good as possible.” He has not spoken with his son yet, ‘which is usual when you are just arrested’. As a lawyer, he does see a good chance to talk to him soon as he is in Aruba, ‘because as a suspect, you have the right to see an attorney’.

      FACTS

      The OM did not say whether the new evidence was found during the domiciliary visit of Kalpoe’s- and Van der Sloot’s house. At the end of April, some twenty forensic- and technical experts of the Dutch National Police Corps Services (KLPD) searched the house and the surrounding area again for traces.

      Aruba transferred the Holloway-dossier as a cold case to the KLPD in 2006. By reopening the investigation, it was possible to continue considering Van der Sloot a suspect in this case. According to the law in Aruba, a person looses the status of suspect, when the case is not brought before the court two years after the start of the person’s persecution.

      But also after the Dutch KLPD-detectives have investigated the case in Aruba, it seemed that a few months ago, also they would close that case as unsolved. They then expected the OM in Aruba to also close the case.

      BETH

      The mother of the American student, Beth Holloway, doesn’t want to react in person and has sent a reaction to the media via a spokesperson. “The family is always hopefully disposed towards putting the case into the right direction.” Her lawyer Scott Balber said that the re-arrests are certainly justified.

      Natalee’s father, Dave Holloway indicated in a TV-program that there is hope again that the police will find answers to Natalee’s disappearance. The arrests were a big surprise for him. An FBI-official informed him of the arrests. He was also not told what the new evidence is.

      ‘Suspects have a lot to explain’

      Joran van der Sloot, Deepak, and Satish Kalpoe will be confronted with the new investigation data and will have a lot to explain, says the chief district attorney Hans Mos of the Aruban Public Prosecutor to the Wereldomroep.

      All three of them are suspected of the same criminal facts. According to Mos, it can be assumed that Natalee is dead. “We have sufficient indications to substantiate that.”

      The suspects will first be confronted with the new investigation data. “Because we are of the opinion that the data will impel them to comment on the data, because in our perception, the answers they have been giving until now in the investigation, do not concur with our investigation data. They have a lot to explain.”

      Mos doesn’t go into details on the content of the evidence, but he says: “When we talk about new serious complaints, we then talk about indications and proofs that we obtained from a thorough investigation conducted by the Aruban police corps in cooperation with officials of the Dutch police. The investigation took place between March and June of this year and is currently being finished off. It turned out from the investigation that the dossier contained much more information than we could assume. That was sifted out in details. The investigation has meanwhile continued, even when the guys were released, and that led to new clues and evidence.

    2. da_wench on November 23rd, 2007 4:59 pm

      I am so hoping all of this is leading to the justice and closure the family needs.

    3. Cloud on November 23rd, 2007 4:59 pm

      They got sloppy.

      As time went by, they thought all was forgotten, like a stone in a road they would never walk again upon.

      But there are certain deeds in life when time has ways of its own and comes back, relentless, like the waves of that May night, to close and heal the wounds.

    4. Maggie on November 23rd, 2007 5:10 pm

      Just heard Jossy on Fox Cavuto report says he thinks this is serious, because he don’t think this group of investigators would do this for publicity. The woman hosting the show says Joran’s lawyer will be on at the bottom of the hour.. I am guessing again, its gonna be JoeT. Must be something serious for this **$ to keep appearing during a holiday time, especially when he isn’t his attorney.

    5. Kyle in Florida on November 23rd, 2007 5:25 pm

      I hope they have a recording of thier conversations. I hope everyone that supported them is confronted with their own murderous words. Everyone knows they killed her. its all a matter now of voluntary or involuntary….

    6. nurturer on November 23rd, 2007 5:31 pm

      Maybe I’m behind the times, but I was unaware that rape was ever equated with romantic involvement.

    7. nurturer on November 23rd, 2007 5:34 pm

      Excuse me. I meant gang rape.

    8. mayan_moons on November 23rd, 2007 5:45 pm

      BETH & DAVE WE LOVE YOU & ADOPTED YOUR LOVELY NATALEE AS OUR OWN, MORE THAN EVER YOU & THE ENTIRE FAMILY ARE IN OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS THAT YOUR LITTLE GIRL WILL BE FOUND AND BROUGHT HOME TO AMERICAN SOIL WHERE SHE BELONGS. WHERE SHE IS LOVED AND MISSED.

    9. TexasRick07 on November 23rd, 2007 5:52 pm

      Another report just said that there was conflicting information from the official statements and more recent phone taps of the Kalpoes.

      Despite the fact that the Dutch investigators are not giving any information away publically, this information is said to have come from a source in the Aruban police force. (And I use the words “police force” for lack of something more akin to “Corrupt Keystone Cops’)

      So here you have it – it never seems to end and they never learn their lessons in Aruba…

      A huge investigation done by the Dutch and the Arubans continue to work as spoilers, passing CONFIDENTIAL information to the media as the real investigators proceed with the case.

      From the day they told Dave Holloway “how much money do you have” when he reported Natalee missing to today’s breach of confidentiality – the Aruban officials continue to prove themselves to be worthless scumbags.

    10. DennisAOK on November 23rd, 2007 5:57 pm

      The interview with Andrew Hodges on the Dana Pretzer show the other night was excellent. For those who misssed it, here is the link to his site, which provides a rebroadcast of the interview and a description of what he thinks happened.

      http://forensicthoughtprints.com/natalee-holloway-watery-grave.html

      It sounds like the ship search is pursuing his scenario. He thinks Natalee’s body will be found and that the suspects will break within a month.

    11. Wired on November 23rd, 2007 6:00 pm

      They bugged both residences during the April searches and probably bugged Joran’s apartment in Holland as well. There is forensic evidence as well that was high on the prosecutor’s “wish list”.

    12. Mike on November 23rd, 2007 6:02 pm

      Ms Arnold says that Jurine has no involvement. I wonder if she would like to put some money where her mouth is?

    13. Crimson on November 23rd, 2007 6:37 pm

      I hope they limit conversation and visitation time between Jr and Perp-a Sloot Sr. If not, they should record everything that is said between the two. If they can’t get Sr. Sloot arrested for participation, he should be looked at for obstruction of the investigation and justice since the beginning.

    14. Allan on November 23rd, 2007 6:40 pm

      Another suicide coming up with note, or nothing. They are not going to convict Joran, if they wanted too they would have not given then 10 days to cover up. The dutch government was aware of that. This is all show. Wish I was wrong. I am also tired of Taco and Rosey lying on TV. They sound like politicians
      never able to tell the truth and nobody believes them.

    15. Pearl on November 23rd, 2007 8:03 pm

      You took the words right out of my mouth, Nurturer, # 6.

      How unfortunate that a journalist would use references made by a man who has done nothing but lie and mislead police.

      “Romantic”? Someone please ask NBC – since when is RAPE “romantic”?

      Romantic, when Natalee was unconscious and could not consent to his sexual assaults on her?

      At the very least NBC, if you are going to use Joran’s lies, and his attorney’s spin, then at least clearly state that JORAN CLAIMS – it was “romantic”, but Natalee’s family heard Joran describe sexually assaulting Natalee while she was slipping in and out of consciousness.

      Report with accuracy, NBC.
      You owe that much to this child so brutally victimized, and to her family who have been waiting two long years for their baby to come home.

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY.

      CONTAIN THE MURDERERS, ARUBA.
      NOT THIS VICTIMIZED CHILD.

      SET NATALEE HOLLOWAY FREE, ARUBA.

      LET THIS CHILD GO HOME TO HER HOMELAND AND TO HER BEAUTIFUL FAMILY!

      TELL THE TRUTH, AND NAME WHAT THESE MONSTERS DID TO THIS CHILD!

    16. nurturer on November 23rd, 2007 8:42 pm

      #10 and #15 – I’m almost finished Andrew Hodges book, Into the Deep, and he contends that Natalee was never asleep when she was attacked, but conscious and resisting the entire 30 minutes, until she drowned in her own vomit do to either a belt or stange-hold administered by Joran as Deepak was raping her.

      Sounds romantic enough.

    17. Richard on November 23rd, 2007 8:56 pm

      It’s repulsive to see the media jump on these latest developments, only to give the usual blowhards publicity to speak when they don’t even know what the new evidence is.

      And I don’t believe anything that we hear from Aruba.

      We’ll have to wait and see what comes out.

      Beth and Dave, I believe that the hopes and support of the American people are with you on your trip to the slimepit of Aruba. Your presence on that island, or even nearby, will be like light shining in darkness.

      Welcome home, Joran. You won’t be leaving it.

      Hope you’re ready for what’s coming to you. At least you’re likely to have company.

    18. Patti on November 23rd, 2007 9:38 pm

      Richard:

      I’m gonna tell ya this – same thing I told you a

      long, long time ago. There was no gang rape…

      Not that night.

      She was walking along and whoever she was with

      said something REALLY WEIRD and deep inside

      she wanted to run.

      She got hit on the head and they took her.

      When she woke up, she was tied to a cage.

      Captured!
      _____________________
      SM: Suggestion…you would be wise to start out posts like with with IMO. There is no way for you to know what happened that night with any certainty. We know what the prosecutor thinks, we know what we suspect. (klaasend)

    19. Patti on November 23rd, 2007 9:43 pm

      The body I saw never looked like it was strangled.

    20. Patti on November 23rd, 2007 9:49 pm

      Klaas:

      If you like, just delete the post. And please tell me what the prosecutor in Aruba thinks.
      __________________
      SM: No, I will not delete your post. The prosecutor believes that they have a strong case, based upon new evidence to convict JK2 of VOLUNTARY manslaughter.

    21. Carpe Noctem on November 23rd, 2007 9:50 pm

      Joe also droned on about how Scott Peterson was
      innocent…

      JT tain’t nuttin but a pin stripe suit wearing,
      Italian loafer havin’, mfn hustla!

      You could play this $$sho the crime happening
      in hi-def & slow motion… he would still
      not believe it. He would still defend the criminal.

      JT motto: ???

      TACOPINA LAW FIRM

      “If You Got The Money Honey,

      Joey’s got the time”

      Joe, do us all a favor and cram a cannoli in it

      you gi-goon-do horse’s a$$.

      You quarter ran out b$tch. Silly rabbit, Trix
      are for kids.

      - Oran Juice Jones

      Justice for Natalee!

      Holloway family, we love & support you
      from beginning to end.

    22. Patti on November 23rd, 2007 9:54 pm

      Klaas:

      Who is we?
      _____________________
      SM: I’m too busy to responding to front page posts so this will be my last one for a few hours.

      I said “We know what the prosecutor thinks, we know what we suspect”

      I have already told you what the prosecutor thinks. What we suspect is different for everyone. The WE is everyone. Everyone has their own feelings about what happened that night and their own suspicions.

      (klaasend)

    23. Patti on November 23rd, 2007 10:04 pm

      Well, I don’t know…

      I’m just going to hope for the best.

      I hope they get the REALLY bad guys and

      not stop with just these three.

      That’s all, don’t you?

    24. Patti on November 23rd, 2007 10:18 pm

      Actually, considering the things that I have seen

      I think the charges should be more than just

      voluntary manslaughter.

      Manslaughter denotes an accident, a willful one,

      but, still, an accident. They’re probably going

      to say she died of an overdose.

      .

      I don’t believe much of what Aruba says.
      ___________________________
      SM: From the prosecutor:

      Dutch investigators taking a fresh look at the case found some new evidence that led to the re-arrests, Chief Public Prosecutor Hans Mos told CNN.

      He didn’t elaborate, but said he is confident prosecutors will obtain convictions against all three men, who are charged with “involvement in the voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway or causing serious bodily harm to Natalee Holloway, resulting in her death.”

    25. Patti on November 23rd, 2007 10:45 pm

      Thanks, Klaas!

      I know I should be happy, but I smell a rat.

      Sorry…

      I just think that we’re being offered

      scape goat… especially if there are

      no more arrests.

      I know I’m usually the one that’s all

      Hip Hip Hooray, but there is definately

      a something amiss and the way they word it…

      Voluntary Manslaughter….

      Is that what we see at the Rocks?

      .

      If they did what was done at the rocks,

      the charge would be murder, wouldn’t it?

      .

      We need to find her body.

      That’s why Beth is going…

      They HAVE to find her!

    26. Miss-Underestimated on November 23rd, 2007 10:49 pm

      I think this is truly serious that Beth and Dave are both going to Aruba.

    27. Pearl on November 23rd, 2007 11:23 pm

      Thank you, Klass.

      Thank you for always being there;
      Thank you for your kind spirit and faithful dedication to bringing forth Natalee’s truth.

      God bless you Beth and Dave as you step into this next chapter of this horrific journey.
      We are with you!
      You are never alone.
      We stand with you by your side, and by Natalee’s side, guarding her truth until you find her.

      May you feel the love and support from around the world from all those who see the cruelty inflicted upon you and your family, the brutal cruelty and injustice inflicted upon your beautiful daughter, Natalee.

      May you know that our hope is tied to yours, our hearts are with you, as we dare to believe that one day soon, you will find your beloved daughter, have her truth returned to you, and finally be able to bring Natalee home.

      God bless you Beth and Dave, your families, Tim Miller and his team.

      May Natalee’s spirit guide you to her,
      May her voice be heard upon the waters.
      May the light of her truth guide you to her, and God’s grace grant you the peace you yearn for,
      that you may finally get the answers you deserve with the hope that you may bring your baby home.

      Set this child free, Aruba and end this horrific cruelty.

      Honor this child by honoring HER TRUTH.

      Honor Natalee by honoring her right to have her truth told, her voice heard, her right to justice served.

      NAME WHAT THEY DID TO HER, ARUBA – NOT WITH MORE OF THEIR DISGRACEFUL LIES, BUT WITH HER TRUTH.

      RETURN THIS CHILD TO HER MOTHER!
      RETURN HER TO HER FATHER!

      Aruba, your criminals can no more steal the sufferings this child endured, than you can rob her beautiful family of their right to someday once again find joy.

      END THIS BRUTALITY AND CRUELTY, ARUBA!

      STOP THE DEPRAVITY OF MEN AND WOMEN WITH NO CONSCIENCE OR COMPASSION IN THEIR HEARTS.

      END THE DEPRAVITY BY FREEING NATALEE’S TRUTH!
      LET THIS CHILD’S VOICE BE HEARD, ARUBA!
      LET THIS CHILD’S TRUTH BE SPOKEN!

      ONLY BY RETURNING HER TRUTH WILL THE FORCES OF EVIL BE CRUSHED IN ARUBA, ONLY BY NAMING THE TRUTH OF WHAT SHE SUFFERED, CAN ARUBA EVER HOPE TO BE RELEASED FROM THE CHAINS AROUND THEIR ISLAND’S SOUL, – THE DISGRACE PUT THEIR BY ‘MR. CONTAINMENT WITH THE DEAD’ AND ALL HIS CO-CONSPIRATORS.

      CONTAIN YOUR MURDERERS AND CRIMINALS, ARUBA, NOT THIS VICTIMIZED CHILD.

      LET NATALEE HOLLOWAY COME HOME TO HER FAMILY.
      LET THIS CHILD’S VOICE BE HEARD!
      LET HER TRUTH BE TOLD!
      LET HER RIGHT TO JUSTICE BE SERVED!

    28. Patti on November 23rd, 2007 11:30 pm

      Thanks, Miss U.

      You have such a kind way of putting it.

      I hope you had a very nice holiday.

      With the week-end coming up, the press is

      going to have a field day.

      I hope Jossy keeps us informed.

      God bless you,

      Patti

    29. Carpe Noctem on November 23rd, 2007 11:35 pm

      I think you may be correct, Miss U.

      -j4n

      Yo Quiero Our Nat-ski Back, Rooba!!!

    30. Patti on November 23rd, 2007 11:40 pm

      I love your prayers, Pearl…

      and all I can say is:

      AMEN!!!!

      Thank you for your strength as it seems somehow,

      when we feel weak, your words inspire us and

      renew our spirits.

      God Bless You and Keep You Near Us

      .

      Patti

    31. juan on November 24th, 2007 12:10 am

      #15
      Pearl how could you say this:

      “Romantic, when Natalee was unconscious and could not consent to his sexual assaults on her?”

      Were you there?

    32. Carpe Noctem on November 24th, 2007 12:19 am
    33. Wade on November 24th, 2007 1:05 am

      I have heard from FOX news that Joran is now back in Aruba.

      I don’t think the the evidence will be revealed until Joran is brought to a judge on Monday.

    34. Carpe Noctem on November 24th, 2007 1:30 am

      We love ya, Holloway family.

      http://tinyurl.com/36zk5X

      http://tinyurl.com/24nf2n

      http://tinyurl.com/yur2qj

      -j4n

      (Never Give Up On Natalee, EVER.)

    35. mayan_moons on November 24th, 2007 1:32 am

      Tacopino makes me wanna hurl……..i mute him and Richard i agree, it is repulsive that the media keeps inviting him on Fox to drone & spin!

    36. jenn on November 24th, 2007 1:39 am

      Patti,

      I don’t post here that often, but can you tell me what you think happened that night. I saw that your replied to Richard saying it wasn’t gang rape, so I was just curious your thoughts. I think about this case all the time and am always curious what other people think happened.

      Jenn

    37. Wade on November 24th, 2007 1:56 am

      I have a question from the CNN report when the suspects are put on trial: It looks like they will be found innocent or guilty by a judge not a jury. Is this true?

      The other item is the charge of voluntary manslaughter means the suspects killed Natalee in a rage of emotion that was not pre-meditated.
      Example: Natalee did not want to have sex with the boys. The suspects went into a rage killing her. They were running on their emotions and not thinking logically.
      Is this the correct meaning?

    38. viet vet on November 24th, 2007 2:00 am

      I have been very close to the muzzle during this whole mess. Somehow, I get the feeling this thing may play out very quickly with some answers we have all worked very hard to get answered. The fact that Beth dropped what she had planned and went down to Aruba means something strong is up. Someone is or is about to spill the truth. These guys are not very strong, they will buckle under a real investigation. If you look at what we really know happened, it is very odd they did not get convicted long ago. Got a lot help from the Aruban government, but we now have a different group running the show. The truth is going to come forth. This is real trouble for the trio and maybe a few others. Damage control can only do so much,,,,so the house of cards is shaking.

    39. mayan_moons on November 24th, 2007 2:28 am

      Hey viet vet!

      Always glad to get your insights on the past & present and future concerning the going ons of Natalee’s case. I really feel that noose is tightning arround these low life’s neck’s and i can’t wait to learn what those conversation’s between the perp’s! I feel that when they learned that huge boat with all the equipment needed for a true deep sea search could’ve prompted those call’s between the scumbag’s to discuss their fear of Natalee being found in the container (weighted down real good IS going to be found. The icing on the cake will be if Paulus’s involvement was part of the convo also!

      (keeping faith)

    40. buster on November 24th, 2007 2:36 am

      Ya Bald Taco makes me want to Hurl as well !!!
      I think someone came forward with the location (ocean)of her body and Nat’s Mom N Dad are on there way !!!

    41. Wade on November 24th, 2007 2:40 am

      Hi Viet Vet,

      I think this is serious too. I think Holland saw how messed up the Aruban investigation was and the seriousness of the crime.

      The new prosecutor was apologizing to the Holloway family for not having the case solved. I’m very impressed how he is keeping a lid on new evidence and handling the suspects. There is no mockery coming from the judical system and letting the suspects play with the media.

    42. molly in houston on November 24th, 2007 2:42 am

      Viet and Mayan, I am so glad to hear that the boys are being kept separately. No more collaborating stories. I think you are right, VV, the house of cards is falling. I also agree that the boys will probably cave in without all the old cronies around. And yea, Mayan, let’s add the icing to the cake.
      I can hardly wait for all this to come down.

      Justice for Natalee is coming at last.

    43. Julie on November 24th, 2007 3:26 am

      I just pray that this time the government does the right thing. This has been a heart ache and I can not even imagine the pain and suffering of Beth, Dave and the brother of Natalee. I saw this picture of Beth on Fox news today. It just breaks by heart, but it reminds us that we can not forget the love of this family for their dauther and demand justice from the powers that be in Aruba!

      http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,2734,00.html#7_0

    44. mayan_moons on November 24th, 2007 3:40 am

      Glad to see you Molly! The fact that the FBI was the one’s that called Dave about this NEW EVIDENCE shows they DO care and have had their finger’s on the pulse of these goon’s the whole time and bolster’s my belief in these new developement’s!

    45. Kay Zee Ess on November 24th, 2007 5:07 am

      Vengence is mine sayeth the Lord. However, Justice belongs to us…and no matter how long it takes it feels good to know that justice is finally being served.

      The boycott that must have first felt like a pinch for Aruba was found to actually be a vise tightening increasingly on the island’s head.

      Natalee was never forgotten during these years and the pressure for finding the truth will not let up. God bless all involved in finding that truth.

    46. FL on November 24th, 2007 5:42 am

      Joran arrived friday evening at 11pm local time. http://www.ad.nl/binnenland/article1847831.ece

    47. Houston on November 24th, 2007 7:19 am

      SM said there was a deep water search planned (beyond 300 feet deep) planned….and now they have started. Also this new turn of events, its been 2 and half years. Her remains need to be found and these 3 and the dozen or so that were in on the cover up needs to go to jail.

    48. Michael on November 24th, 2007 8:50 am

      Ok, there is some hope now for this case to get solved but if they don’t find the body or 1 of the 3 talks, there will be no conviction. Only some recorded calls is not enough to get someone convicted.

    49. Jerry from Ohio on November 24th, 2007 9:08 am

      One Hour and One pair of Vice grips and One can of Cold Pepsi ( I get thirsty ) and the knowledge that if the statements they would have given were found to be lies that I would have them again for another hour , and you would have had all the information that you were seeking . NO BRAG, just FACT . Joran and DEEpak would have been in tears and their Bowel and Bladder control gone ,. POOR Lil Satish would have passed out before we even got started .
      Sometimes I cannot even hardly believe the sinister feelings that I have for the whole VDS and Kalpo families, Parents and older children. but would have given almost anything to have gotten a chance at them .

    50. EURobert on November 24th, 2007 9:22 am

      Here an interesting comment on this Telegraaf-article:
      http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2602208/Joran_van_der_Sloot_op_Aruba.html?p=3,1

      Joran is een uiters agressief ventje zeker als hij een slok op heeft als hij zijn zin niet krijgt gaat ie stampvoeten. Vreemd dat niemand er over schrijft dat hij al een paar keer wat uitgaans gelegenheden is uit gesmeten in Arnhem.
      Harry, Oosterhout | 11:18 | 24.11.07

      Joran is a very aggressive guy especially when he’s had to many drinks and he doesn’t get his way; frustrated he’ll then stamp his feet. Strange that nobody writes that he has been kicked out several Arnhem bars already.

    51. elisabeth on November 24th, 2007 10:46 am

      36 Wade you are right No jury in Dutch courts. This case would be tried by three judges. “Doodslag”, manslaughter implies that no prolonged meditation to kill was present, killing in a rage, but also an event involving a car, or even not giving help to someone in obvious need of it could qualify.

    52. mommytraveler on November 24th, 2007 10:56 am

      Just heard on TV (Fox News) from an attorney who works with Tacopino that they both are planning to go to Aruba.

    53. nurturer on November 24th, 2007 11:10 am

      Seems the prosecution is basically maintaining a sort of gag order, which I would think means that they do not want to allow for any excuses by the defense, as to improper procedure or lack of objectivity (an axe to grind), that might sway a decision to indict.

      There does indeed seem to be a new sheriff in town.

    54. katablog.com on November 24th, 2007 11:13 am

      Viet Vet: Always nice to hear from you. A couple of things really trouble me, but like everyone else I hope this is “it”.

      1. Joran apparently will have access to Paulus since the Sr. creep is an attorney and part of Joran’s team. This is BAD and I hope they stop it. Joran might break without the backing of Papa.

      2. I hope the “evidence” is not just phone calls. If it is, there’s too may ways to play that.

      3. Kalpoe brothers sure better have some evidence of their own which implicates Joran because if they get caught by the evidence, Joran and Paulus are going to try to hang them.

      4. Lawyers for Joran remind me of my good decision not be become a lawyer. I find it incredible that someone can go on public TV and say “Joran’s not a killer”.

      5. Aruba has pulled this type of thing so many times that it’s just getting hard to hope.

    55. Donna on November 24th, 2007 11:17 am

      I keep hearing on the news “INvolunatry manslaughter” AND “VOLUNTARY manslaughter”. Which is it? Big difference between the two.

    56. Donna on November 24th, 2007 11:19 am

      Mayan I agree on the Taccopina issue but what is worse than him is the infamous Julia Renfro that they keep inviting back. She makes me wanna hurl. She is in it for attention, she has nothing to share worth mentioning, and is very biased (she used to babysit Joran and his brother is what I heard a long time ago). I also know she turned on the Holloway-Twitty family, pressing charges against Jug (saying he cursed at her and pushed her which was a lie!).

    57. kitty on November 24th, 2007 11:22 am

      Hey everyone… did anyone hear that 13 total were arrested? I thought I heard this on FOX late last night… anyone confirm that? Maybe the Lions are caught after all…??? Let’s pray so!

      God Bless Beth and Dave ~ we’ve not forgotten your families or your dear daughter, Natalee… bless them ~ we have bathed and covered all of you with our prayers and will continue to do so ~

      (I keep thinking of John remote viewing the area in the ocean where he felt she was when the were in Aruba) ~ It’s been a long 2 years ~

    58. Susan on November 24th, 2007 11:29 am

      Latest breaking from CNN

      Prosecutor: ‘No doubt’ Natalee Holloway is dead

      Prosecutor: “We have enough evidence to prove the girl is not alive anymore”

      Two brothers will remain in jail at least eight days

      NEW: Joran van der Sloot arrives back in Aruba from Holland

      They were last people seen with Alabama teenager before she vanished in 2005

      ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) — There is enough evidence to prove Natalee Holloway is dead — even if the Alabama teenager’s remains are never found, Aruba’s chief public prosecutor said Friday.

      Natalee Holloway disappeared while on vacation in Aruba with classmates in 2005.

      “There’s no doubt in my mind that she’s dead … I think we have enough evidence to prove the girl is not alive anymore, even without a body,” Hans Mos said.

      “You don’t need a body under our law to prove someone is dead. And any day that passes now is just more evidence that she is not alive anymore.”

      Joran van der Sloot, 20, arrived in Aruba late Friday, and is sheduled to appear before a judge Monday. He was flown with a police escort back to the island from the Netherlands, where he was attending college.

      An Aruba judge Friday ruled authorities can continue to hold two other suspects in Holloway’s disappearance — Deepak, 24, and Satish Kalpoe, 21 — for at least eight more days.

      The brothers were arrested Wednesday in Aruba. Van der Sloot, the son of an Aruban judge, was arrested in the Netherlands the same day.

      The three men apparently were the last people to see Holloway alive after she left a bar in Aruba. View a timeline of the case »

      They are charged with “involvement in the voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway or causing serious bodily harm to Natalee Holloway, resulting in her death.”

      All three have maintained their innocence.

      Dutch investigators taking a fresh look at the case found some new evidence that led to the re-arrests, Mos told CNN.

      The investigators used advanced techniques to re-examine existing information, including cell phone records and text messages exchanged the night Holloway disappeared. They found some discrepancies, Mos said.

      As part of their work, investigators returned to the homes of the suspects to try to re-create transmissions.

      The team also discovered that some existing evidence was improperly analyzed, he added.

      Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers have been in jail since their arrests Wednesday. They previously had been arrested in the case in 2005, but a court released them, citing insufficient evidence.

      Mos said his office will decide next Thursday whether to ask the judge to keep them in jail for an additional eight days. With a judge’s approval, the men can be detained for eight days at a time while investigators continue to develop the case.

      Meanwhile, van der Sloot will face a judge on Aruba on Monday who will decide whether there is enough evidence to detain him for eight days.

      Van der Sloot’s jail-time countdown began the day of his arrest. The prosecutor’s office said it will request another eight-day stretch.

      An attorney for van der Sloot said his client was bitterly surprised by the turn of events, because he felt he had left the incident behind him. The man has been attending college in the Netherlands. Watch what’s expected to happen to the three suspects »

      Natalee Holloway was on vacation in May 2005 with about 100 classmates celebrating their graduation from Mountain Brook High School near Birmingham, Alabama.

      Van der Sloot and the Kalpoes were the last people seen with Holloway as she left Carlos’n Charlie’s nightclub in Oranjestad, Aruba, about 1:30 a.m. on May 30, 2005. The men have maintained they had nothing to do with her disappearance. She has not been found.

      The high school group had planned to leave Aruba the next day, and Holloway’s packed bags and passport were found in her hotel room after she failed to show up for her flight.

      The Kalpoes have told police they dropped Holloway and van der Sloot off near a lighthouse at a beach on the northern tip of the island after they left the nightclub.

      Van der Sloot’s mother, Anita, has said her son told her he was on the beach with Holloway but left her there alone because she wanted to stay.

      On Thursday, she told The Associated Press by telephone that investigators had recently questioned her family and the Kalpoe family.

      “I think it’s ridiculous after 2½ years to be doing this,” she told the AP.

      She told CNN on Friday she had no comment on her son’s latest arrest.

      Holloway’s mother, Beth Holloway, said her ex-husband, Dave Holloway, has hired divers who will use sonar equipment from a benefactor to search for the girl’s remains in deep water surrounding the Caribbean island.

      Aruba’s criminal justice system is based on Dutch law and the Napoleonic code, legal experts say. In Aruba, authorities can make an arrest if they have reasonable suspicion that someone knows about or is involved in a crime. Magistrates investigate cases, and judges determine a suspect’s guilt or innocence. There are no jury trials. E-mail to a friend

      CNN’s Phil Black, Eric Marrapodi and Kimberly Segal contributed to this report.

    59. disgustedmom on November 24th, 2007 11:32 am

      I almost expect PVDS to be taken in for something before Monday just to get him out of the way of possibly being able to speak to Joran about this new evidence under the guise of being his lawyer. By ‘something’ I don’t mean something contrived, but rather something valid.

    60. KrisG on November 24th, 2007 11:43 am

      There are new people in charge on the island now and after seeing Mr. Hans Mos, the Chief Prosecuter, speak I have renewed hope that justice will be served. He said he owes it to Natalee, her family and the American people to solve this crime. We have never heard anyone say anything remotely like that before. Now, to really show good faith how about inviting the FBI to take part in every aspect of this case? That would really demonstrate that the prosecuter means business.

      BTW, has anyone else received an email from the Aruba Tourism Authority? I did on November 17 and will not open it for fear of a virus. The subject line reads: Share Our Island, Our Aruba. I can’t remember giving my email to anyone on Aruba when I was there about 3 years ago. The mailings to me have stopped since I kept returning them saying that I will not return to Aruba until there is Justice for Natalee Holloway! How about it Aruba? Share Your Island, Share Your Police Records With The FBI!!!

    61. JusticeforNatalee on November 24th, 2007 12:32 pm

      Well, well, well.

      Natalee’s case seems to be panning out just as many of us suspected: Natalee was killed on Aruba and J2K are the main culprits.

      So much for the disinformation crap and pathetic “bombshells.”

      The latest developments have certainely shut up the lackeys who want to trash Beth or Natalee and make up tall tales.

      To anyone who trashed Beth, Natalee, or Dave, or spent time
      trying to distract from Truth and justice:

      Shame on you.

    62. JusticeforNatalee on November 24th, 2007 12:40 pm

      So far, I do like and respect Hans Mos.
      I have hope and faith that he will see Natalee’s case through.

      A while ago, I stated that I look forward to the day when Red
      makes a frontpage post: “Natalee Finally Gets Justice.”

      I am very hopeful that we will see this heading soon.

      P.S. #61 “certainly” (typo)

    63. Carpe Noctem on November 24th, 2007 12:50 pm

      Van der Sloot’s mother, Anita, has said her son told her he was on the beach with Holloway but left her there alone because she wanted to stay.

      … Oh, give it a rest Nit’r Buggy!!!!!

      Go tie your industrial strength brassiere

      in between two trees, & sling shot your

      fat a$$ to Venezuela.

      I am so over you, honey.

      See more at: HAND

      -j4n

    64. dennisintn on November 24th, 2007 12:52 pm

      i noticed yesterday that jvds’ first act when arrested and taken to the police station was to invoke his right to silence and wouldn’t answer any questions. taco and his asst. and anita and paulus just keep talking about how cooperative they’ve been in the investigation and once again jvds provides further proof that they’re all lying again.
      dennisintn

    65. 10061906 on November 24th, 2007 1:27 pm

      carpe #63: Are you sure you were never a writer foe SNL?.
      I still say there is no evidence. The Netherlands has said it is time to stop the bleeding. The only way this stigma of what happened to Natalee and what was done to her parents is to re examine a plausible scenario that all will believe. Rightly convict the original three that were the “last to be seen with Natalee” and sidestep the corrupt cover up.
      Accordingly though; Dr Hodge has managed to implicate Paulus in his interpretation of Deepak’s email.
      Correct me if I’m wrong I have limited exposure to criminal law.
      Manslaughter is a premeditated action resulting in someone’s death.
      Voluntary manslaughter is when someone dies during the act of another crime.
      Involuntary manslaughter is the death of someone caused by some careless act; auto accident, foolishly playing with a gun that was (NOT) loaded, etc.
      Prediction; Paulus will drown in his own sweat. Dennis Jacobs will get drugged when someone at C and C’s puts something in his frosted flakes.
      Anita will have a nervous breakdown over her lost camera.
      Guido will be taken ou but a hit man respresenting the csino.
      Koen will drown in his parents bed from you know what.
      His brother Sanders will spend the rest of eternaty looking for his cell phone.
      Freddy will spend the rest of eternity looking at Christian Science videos.
      Now Geoff is interesting: though he does fit the description of the guard that the JK2′s handed Natalee over to. But not at the Holiday Inn.

    66. Bow on November 24th, 2007 2:07 pm

      #61 To anyone who trashed Beth, Natalee….
      When a crime is committed or suspected it is normal you will hear stories about the suspects as well the victim. I think it all about the culture of Aruba, Netherlands and USA. In the USA it is not done if you “blame the victim”. A lot is written about the suspects J2K but don’t dear to say anything bad about Natalee. That is the common practice in USA. In Aruba or Netherlands you will hear both sides of the story in the media. If the victim turned out to be drunk or drug user nobody will blame the source who said this. Different way of thinking isn’t it? The fact is that Beth said in the first days of Natalee’s disappearance how perfect her daughter is, a straight A student etc.. What was said in Aruba: Natalee was not a saint just a normal teenager vacationing. The fact is during their stay almost all the students were drinking a lot including Natalee. Employees of Holiday Inn will confirm this statement. She made a huge mistake going into the car alone with J2K. I also think J2K have something to do with the vanishing. On this forum people are concluding because J2K were the last seen with Natalee and also lied several times makes them guilty. Dutch law and even USA law you cannot convict anybody with this. That doesn’t mean it is not terrible if Natalee under influence or not was murdered. If the prosecutors can prove the three man are guilty they should be punished pay heavy.

    67. nurturer on November 24th, 2007 2:15 pm

      #66 – “On this forum people are concluding because J2K were the last seen with Natalee and also lied several times makes them guilty. Dutch law and even USA law you cannot convict anybody with this.”

      That’s why they are called ‘suspects’.

    68. Richard on November 24th, 2007 2:16 pm

      Let’s remember, folks, that all the actions going on now seem to be based on this “new evidence.”

      My point being … whatever we think of PvdS, it appears (based on what has been released in the media) that this evidence DIRECTLY implicates only the “filthy three”: Joran, Deepak, and Satish. Possibly not even all three.

      I simply don’t know, nor do any of us.

      All of our theorizing is based on how we interpret what has gone by so far. In my case, for example, I have long thought that Natalee was trafficked off of Aruba as a way of getting rid of her … or, alternately, that she was killed after she proved to be “too hot to handle”.

      We still don’t have any clues about what happened to her body (not to my knowledge, anyway), but it appears that my theory has been exploded. It’s not certain, not yet, but that’s the way it looks.

      A lot of other theories probably will be too.

      Karen Janssen said a long time ago what this new prosecutor is saying: that a case can be prosecuted even if there is no body.

      So what’s new here?

      In my eyes, the Dutch have decided that enough is enough … this case is an embarrassment to them, and they probably fear that they will be stuck with the bill to support Aruba. I’m sure that our continuing efforts to promote a voluntary boycott of Aruba have contributed to some degree.

      Art Wood said that the whole cover-up is a house of cards, and that if one card breaks, it will all come tumbling down … very quickly.

      We’ll see. I’m certain that Aruba has been put on notice that no shenanigans will be tolerated any longer … and now, I suspect, the powers that be are aware that there will be a very, Very, VERY steep cost to anyone who tries to continue protecting the suspects. Or others.

      I wonder if van der Straaten and Dompig, to take just some names, are sweating along with Paulus.

      They should be.

      Again, the new evidence seems to imply that Natalee met her death in the car that night. Are others involved in THAT crime? It appears that this new evidence doesn’t point in that direction, at least not yet.

      If this is the case, then it seems that Paulus would perhaps be involved in an after-the-fact disposal of the body and promoting the subsequent cover-up.

      Here’s a question: assuming that Paulus did indeed arrange for the disposal of Natalee’s body, in the ocean or wherever, would he have used Joran to help? Or would he have kept the information secret from him, so that he could never blab?

      Frankly, I suspect that Paulus knew what a scumbag his son was, and wouldn’t want him involved. That’s just speculation.

      I’m sure that the efforts going on now in the case are sincere. The biggest problem, in my mind, is whether the corrupt system of “law” on Aruba will think it can pull the wool over our eyes again.

      If they try it, if they think that these punks are worth the effort, we will be there to let them know that the heat will not be taken off them. Now or ever.

    69. Richard on November 24th, 2007 2:21 pm

      Bow (#66) … once again, is Natalee’s behavior the issue (and many of the students have said that she was NOT drinking heavily) … or is the issue:

      WHAT HAPPENED TO NATALEE?

      WHO IS RESPONSIBLE?

      Drinking is not a crime (certainly not in Aruba);
      homicide, kidnapping, murder are (even in Aruba).

      Let’s keep the focus where it belongs, OK?

    70. Patti on November 24th, 2007 2:37 pm

      Jenn:

      I think Natalee was kidnapped and kept for over a week in a cage to be offered as a sacrifice to the Arawak Nation. The reason for the cover up is because the majority of Arubans are of Arawak heritage and if they no longer practice the religion, they know of the consequences of going against them. Case in point: PitBull – the man that was the bouncer at the bar that the Kalpoes stopped at before leaving the city with Natalee. I believe that he went to the police to report something and was killed, Arawak style and eaten. If you read the History of the Caribes and the Arawaks you will better understand my position. Go to the forum and look at the body, in the bushes, that was found at the rocks the day that it was announced that Natalee had been found. She is missing an arm, her heart is cut out and it looks like they may have cut out a kidney.

      I am not going to go deep into the subject, but if you do some research, you will find that the way Natalee died is the same way that the Arawak Nation sacrifices their virgins or lambs. Oduber and Chavez both are Arawaks.

      If you have followed the things that have happened in Aruba over the past month, you will find that the island, itself, has revealed Natalees truth. The corpse found just a couple weeks ago, was merely a carcass, missing all it’s limbs and head as well.

      The bones found on the beach during the hurricane, that was moving through the Caribbean, could easily be examined to reveal cannibalism. Just like PitBull who was found tied down, with all his limbs cut off, including his head and every organ in his body removed… and his carcass burnt.

      Do the research. Those are all the things that forensic scientists look for to indicate cannibalism. That and the breaking of the bones to eat the marrow.

      I don’t believe that the carcass that was found a couple weeks ago was that of a 17th Century sailor that drowned and was buried on the beach. Just as I don’t believe that the arm bone that was found on the beach of Aruba was that of an ancient Indian.

      My personal belief is that there is a stronger force in charge, now. One that will reveal the truth about a civilization of people that have been practicing human sacrifice and cannibalism for centuries.

      Natalee will be found, if she has not already been found, and the way in which she died will indicate the truth about Aruba. She may have been the carcass that was found a couple weeks ago or she may be in the sea… but it is our God that will put an end to the suffering of the children, the virgins, that have been sacrificed on a monthly basis, one for every tribe of every Nation, month after month, year after year, since 10 CE, or longer.

      Natalee became the Sloot’s Lamb.

      They chose the best of the best. The smartest, the bravest, the strongest and the one with virtue to be sacrificed for their sins… and to bring the Nation good fortune.

      And those that look at the video of Paulus checking Natalee out at the casino were right all along… she was bought and sold for a price… captured and delivered.

      Aruba will suffer for what they did to Natalee and the sea itself will come to defy them. The ground will open up and reveal the sins of Aruba as all things will come to light and nothing shall remain hidden forever.

      .

      Boycott Aruba!

    71. Carol Armstrong on November 24th, 2007 2:45 pm

      Here’s what Joran’s mother had to say…

      “We were not allowed to talk to him at all,” van der Sloot’s mother, Anita, told The Associated Press on Saturday. “We find this very strange. It’s like you don’t have human rights.”

      She needs to talk to Beth about “human rights”…not the press.

    72. viet vet on November 24th, 2007 2:49 pm

      Differences in US law, Dutch law, or Aruban law. Basically the laws of all 3 are similar, just differences in procedures. It is a crime to murder,steal,kidnap,rape, or batter people in all of these countries. J2K were allowed to have 10 days to change their stories, get advice from lawyers and destroy evidence. This was a crime committed by the very people who are supposed to enforce law. They should have questioned J2K when it was proven they lied about dropping Natalee off at the Holiday Inn that first night. But the people in power in Aruba at the time chose to cover-up the crime for some reason. We all have opinions and conclusions, but I was there and the corruption in the case was very evident. It was a coverup, they would not answer questions from us and wanted us to leave. The FBI was told to only observe. An agent told me they were not able to do anything for us because they were not asked to help. Aruba thought this thing would blow over and tourism would not be affected. Evidently they thought the truth would hurt, so, it was suppressed. I can tell first hand, these people are not rocket scientist, they did some very stupid things and it is/will come back to haunt them. Natalee was a very good girl, I liked her and she spent time with my children. She was a great child. We miss her, and always will. Any attack on her is an attack on her family and friends. And we will fight for justice,… a very strong trait of U.S. people.

    73. nurturer on November 24th, 2007 2:53 pm

      #68 – I think the effort on the part of the Dutch LE is to keep Aruba’s economic nose above water. I think that if it were not for the boycott, and the activism demonstrated at the Aruba promotions booths, that this would have remained a cold case forever. They counted on apathy and to their surprise AND misfortune, got the opposite. A completely unanticipated response.

      As an analogy, I think if the Japanese Navy and Emperor of Japan could have foreseen the type of weapon that was to be used on their country by the USA in 1945, they would have taken a second look at their options in 1941. In the same sense, Aruba underestimated America’s response as a collective.

      Only this time, the weapon is not a bomb. The weapon is economic deprivation, empowered by a pesky communications tool universally known as THE INTERNET.

      Does anyone here, or anywhere, not think that the Dutch are well aware of the animosity felt towards Aruba? The Netherlands does not want the burden of a financially strapped colony island that it may have to one day invest in to keep afloat. They know, and the Aruban government knows, that the United States of America is a CASH COW. And they want that cash cow back.

      However, to get it back, they have to go to work.

    74. nurturer on November 24th, 2007 2:58 pm

      #71 – If Mrs. Van Der Sloot actually said that, then is demonstrates just how incredibly stupid and insensitive the woman really is.

    75. Jasmine on November 24th, 2007 3:02 pm

      This new prosecutor gives me hope that justice might actually be done in Aruba – something we have never seen before. I have to wonder if the powers that be have finally realized that the only way to get the tourists back is to do an honest investigation and prosecute those responsible. That really is the ony way they can hope to change the public’s perception that Aruba is an unsafe place with a corrupt government. Whatever the reasons behind the latest arrests, I hope and pray that justice is done.

    76. Momov Two in bham on November 24th, 2007 3:43 pm

      I’ve not been able to get Natalee out of my mind since this happened. I live about 5 miles away from her home in Mtn. Brook.. I met Beth here in Birmingham when she signed her book for us – may God be with Natalee’s family during this time, as He has been up until this point.

      {{edit – we do not direct link to sites like scrux here}}
      _______________________________
      SM: Nice try defending Joran but I’m affraid KLPD and ALE would disagree. The Dutch media is reporting they have a recording confession by Joran (klaasend).

    77. Carpe Noctem on November 24th, 2007 4:02 pm

      LOL 1006!

      I wish.

    78. Patti on November 24th, 2007 4:55 pm

      It is not justice unless you get all the poeple that are responsible.

      1906:

      If the prosecutor is correct in his charges, the actions of the three being charged led to the death of Natalee. Just as I said before, they all knew what would happen to her, once she was abducted.

      Joran wanted to die the night that Natalee died. He was under suicide watch… and the next day, while the janitors are cleaning up the rock area where the festival was held under the watchful eye of Aruba’s best (police officers), there is talk about Joran being sent to an asyllum and out of the blue, we have a confession.

      So, yes, I am in agreement with the charges; but these three are not the ONLY ones responsible for the death of Natalee. How many does Shango say there are? 40, some guilty parties AND Natalee wasn’t the only lamb that was sacrificed that night.

      So please, don’t let the Aruban prosecutor insult your intelligence by offering you a mere token of justice. Let Natalee’s truth be known so no other child shall suffer the agonizing death of a spiritually sound child being tortured at the hands of pagan heathens… for being good.

      It’s time for the drums to lay silent and for the fires to be drowned out, not by the sound of a cheering crowd, but by the tears of the children that went missing, missing from Venezuella, missing from Columbia, missing from The Netherlands, missing from Hondurus and missing from the United Staes.

      God bless Dave and Beth. Without their hope and faith, this case would have been lost, buried in the heap of secrets and lies that belong to the Arawak Nation. Instead, the truth shall be known and the silence will be broken, and we shall dance a dance of joy at the fall of the Arawak Nation.

      Let there be Justice for ALL!

      and

      Let NO MAN be held above the LAW!

    79. diverboy on November 24th, 2007 4:55 pm

      Anita..they dont let you talk to your son because of his coach in life..you dear husband, gambling and drinking partner to an underage son, the same one that gave him an apartment so you could sleep at night while he was banging girls and doing whatever he wanted. human rights? you lost those when your husband created that monster you have. Ah…there goes my boy…I wish I was him…not saying that right now are ya Sloot? Hope this comes around and hits you in the rear…then you can both be gambling with cigarettes for the next 15 yrs. By the way…are you and your husband ever going to pay for all the windshields he broke at C&C’s and all the vandalism he did? oh..i guess that would be against your human rights too….

    80. FloridaViaBham on November 24th, 2007 4:59 pm

      It irks me how we are seeing the same headlines as we did over 2 years ago..this is nothing new that investigators believe Natalee is dead. I am hoping that this won’t be another drag through and the family and Natalee can finally have some peace. WAKE UP, ARUBA.

    81. Richard on November 24th, 2007 5:03 pm

      I’ve been told that the report that Dave Holloway is going to Aruba is completely false. According to this source (who is in telephone contact with him), he is not going there and has no intention of going. Don’t know about Beth.

      Nor do I know if the source’s info is wrong and this report is right.

      Does anyone think the reported confession by Joran is a tactical tool to use against the Kalpoes, and maybe others?

      Or maybe THAT is the “new evidence” that is cited.

      If so … what happens if he simply disavows it, and says he was making it up? Anything seems possible, especially on Aruba.

    82. Patti on November 24th, 2007 5:31 pm

      He confessed as soon as there was a body found.

      Why?

      In the back of the Police Squad Car

      He tells Deepak, “What, Don’t you thing I worry

      about my FAMILY?… That’s ALL I’m worried about”

      Why?

      Deepak answere, in disgust, “YOUR OWN FATHER!!!”

      This is not about some bang out job along side the road!

      THIS was Family Business, religion, celebration, festival… perhaps in honor of HIM as well.

      Was Anita at the Netherlands, looking for another “Nanny”?

      This was the girl that HE picked out…

      His virgin…

      And he was going to make a show for it.

      The sNooTs… Pigs they are.

      In my opinion, she has all the girls call her “Mummy”

      Anita… the biggest PIG of them all!

      Arawak!

    83. martini on November 24th, 2007 5:34 pm

      Joran van der Sloot’s lawyer in Aruba, Ariean de Bie said “I consider the entire operation as a desire to take a last action as part of the closing of the investigation.” He suspects that the case is concluded, but that the OM wants to see what’s left to effect with the arrests of Van der Sloot and his two Surinamese friends.
      Dutch KLPD-detectives have investigated the case in Aruba, it seemed that a few months ago, also they would close that case as unsolved. They then expected the OM in Aruba to also close the case.
      Amigoe.com
      Aruba wants to have closure with this case.
      The new evidence is pro the three suspects and the case will be closed in hopes that aruba can move on.
      __________________________
      SM: I hope for Aruba’s sake what you post is incorrect. There are alot of innocent people in Aruba that will be hurt for many years to come if THIS turns out to be a dog and pony show. It would be disasterous for Aruba. (klaasend)

    84. Richard on November 24th, 2007 5:49 pm

      I’d trust a lawyer for any of the van der Sloots as much as I would trust any one of them.

      And that ain’t much!

      He’s free to conclude what he wants to conclude … I’ll wait to see what happens.

    85. Maggie on November 24th, 2007 5:49 pm

      Richard if I heard it right Dave said by phone on Fox News, he was going to Aruba. He said he went and checked out the boat they are using.

      For something that isn’t nothing according to JoeT bs and his sidekick, they have been on tv about 15 times in the past 3 days or so on a holiday weekend, telling us this is nothing. One doth protest too much. Beth’s lawyer wasn’t allowed in the court room in Aruba, so how can someone who is not even licensed to practice law in Aruba go into a courtroom and attend? Another big bunch of bs. Reminds me of a playground bully.

      Joe T’s clients,, Foxy Brown fired him when he revealed to the public she is deaf. Melanie McGuire found guilty of cutting up her husband and getting rid of him.(another one of Joe’s innocent clients) He’s defended Mafia figures. He has contradicted his client Joran more than once on tv. He has Joran home on the computer according to phone logs he says before Joran says he got home that night. Immette St. Guillen’s family. He sued the bar comments from Joe were, they put a predator in the mix, and broke the law when they told false and misleading statements to the police and that’s an even bigger offense.(Hey Joe Remember Joran and the Kalpoes?) Christie Brinkley’s husband’s gf. Joe suing for money, Joe said Christie’s husband preyed on a young person. Hellooooooo.. One can see it just depends on who’s paying the bill, and what they say. No wonder defense lawyers get bad names.

      #66 if you can find a case in the USA of a missing Aruban or person from the Netherlands where the government went out and said, I am sick of this case. I don’t rule out shutting the victim’s mother up. Sending out paid tourism liars to lie about the family and victim. What about Angela muzzle who said Natalee is not a virgin and she knows it and she called her an alcoholic. How does Angela know that? Lots of people go on vacation and drink too much, don’t make them alcoholics. It wasn’t an inept law enforcement. It was a law enforcement that seemed to play favoritism to the the VDS family. Hint. Jan Vander Straten, good friend of the VDS’s and worked with Paulus for years. Arlene and Steve Cohen went out and purposely spread false information along with Julia Renfro. No this isn’t standard operating procedures..

      Just like Scott Peterson and Drew Peterson, they never went out to look for Natalee, they were too busy getting together and making up more stories and trashing Natalee and her family.

      As for Anita, I remember her sitting on GMA telling the interviewer that Joran put the girl on the beach and she was laughing when she said it. She also said this is just one girl missing. Anything to keep degrading Natalee.

      Natalee was a good girl. Her mom and dad and family has every right to be proud of her and brag. In her short life she accomplished what many don’t in 3 times that amount of time. She also had a good heart. Never heard her mom say Natalee was perfect. Don’t know anyone who wouldn’t want a daughter like her. Natalee didn’t do nothing to any of them. She was with her friends having fun. You don’t know why Natalee got in the car. Was she drugged? Did he say here’s a taxi? Well, you don’t know. Real easy to say bad about someone who has no voice to disagree.. Perhaps that is why she was silenced?

      For 2 years Joran has kept doing interviews and changing his stories like he was getting some pleasure in taunting a family.IMO

    86. martini on November 24th, 2007 5:50 pm

      Paul van der Sloot, wanted to drop the seal of suspect. He succeeded and the criminal investigation on him was officially stopped. “The brothers Kalpoe and his son tried the same and requested the judge to no longer consider them as suspects. Last year the OM agreed to close the case this year and that the suspects will know where they stand; thus they were in a hurry”, said Dompig. The OM had till December 31 to decide whether to persecute the suspects or not. Amigoe.com

    87. Richard on November 24th, 2007 5:50 pm

      Aruba close the case? Didn’t Aruba tell the Holloway Twitty family that they had NO JURISDICTION in the case at all … that it was being run from the Netherlands? Remember that?

      Oh, well, you know Aruba … what is said yesterday has no relation to today’s lies.

    88. Maggie on November 24th, 2007 5:54 pm

      I do not believe the Dutch did this to just close the case. This will make Aruba look even worse as well as the KLPD. I do not believe they did this for looks. Btw.. so far from what I have seen of the new prosecutor.. I do like him so far.

    89. kayjay on November 24th, 2007 5:58 pm

      In my opinion JVDS is an evil, amoral, sadistic, mysoginist raised by two self indulgent, immoral, arrogant, excuses for parents, who think their foul offspring is something to be proud of. There is no hope for individuals like this. They have no common decency or respect for others’ lives. Its all about them and god help anyone who tries to upset their rotten little applecart.
      Well now Paulus and Anita the apples are beginning to fall off the cart mighty fast and I’d like to put you both in the stocks and pelt you with them.

    90. Patti on November 24th, 2007 5:59 pm

      Those are the LAST people you should quote:

      They are ALL liars… especially any attorney

      The sNooTs would hire.

      What is going on in The Netherlands?

      Have they gotten that “Difficult DNA” done, yet?

      .

      Hey, Queen Bea?!?!

      What’s it gonna be?!?!?

      Are you going to use this as an opportunity?

      or:

      A means to your END!?!?!?

      It’s never over, til it’s over…

      Ask Klaas!

      Love ya, Girl!!!!

      .

    91. Lily on November 24th, 2007 6:12 pm

      Patti – #70, 78: Interesting posts. While enjoying family vacations at Holiday Inns, Marriotts, etc around the world, we’re oblivious to these cultures,religious practicies and superstitions.In a recent Animal Planet TV episode a goat was tied to a back porch railing of a New York city high rise–American neighbors thought this was strange and insane, but the Jamaican woman practicing her form of religious voodoo didn’t think so at all- in fact it was quite normal for her and her entire family!

      About a month ago when talk of cannibalism hit these blogs I googled around and could not believe what I found. YIKES! Not sure how you know there was another girl missing unless it’s the girl they thought was Natalee but at the polis station found out it weas not (and what ever happened to her anyway? That woman they found? hm..)

      While I definitely believe there is a rotton layer hovering over J2K that Joran will mention one day “when he’s ready to tell the whole story”, I’m not sure what you described is that layer. Or maybe it is and my mind just can’t let me go there. But what we do know for certain is that this was done about 20 times before and ‘nothing like this ever happened before’!

    92. Patti on November 24th, 2007 6:28 pm

      It’s only a matter of time, before another body pops up. Maybe a little boy from Honduras… my guess.

      Question is:

      How many corpes have to be found,
      before the world knows that there
      is something array?

      Queen Bea?

    93. Momov Two in bham on November 24th, 2007 6:51 pm

      Oh – the other thing is, SM: So now you trust ALE and KLPD to tell the truth?? Brilliant…because they have a fantastic track record of being completely above board and professional.
      _________________
      SM: Tell me about the track record of KLPD in this case? ALE covered up and bungled the case..but there is a new team in charge in Aruba now.

      As far as deleting your post, it was just another scenerio dreamed up by poster Prolemic at Scrux to take guilt away from the prime suspect Joran. FWIW, I have read Prolemic’s posts long before you posted it here.

      Also, I am not a MR anything and this is not your blog. (klaasend)

    94. Pop Life on November 24th, 2007 6:57 pm

      Kayjay…wow…you make it seem like Joran is like that Damian kid from the movie the Omen. “We must protect the child…”

    95. martini on November 24th, 2007 7:00 pm

      The Netherlands Antilles and Aruba are autonomous parts of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. They decide independently on their form of government and on internal affairs. The Hague is responsible for foreign and defence policy. Aruba only depends on Holland for Foreign and defence policy. It is common knowledge the Islands are corrupt. Tourism is so important to the islands but they will cut off their noses to spite their face.

    96. Patti on November 24th, 2007 7:06 pm

      I found this at the end of a previous thread…

      QUOTE:
      ____________________________________________________
      juan on November 23rd, 2007 4:47 am

      Patti (137) I guess i’m speaking about an extension of time and this is the only way to do it before the year runs out….

      i’m bothered why so many people are talking about Greta on Fox, Rosy, Dr phil, with all the lawyers involved already. But it must be fun to speculate here.

      Of course i wish they could end this debacle, but i’m on the side of the guys who have already been hung by the neck by so many.
      __________________________________________________

      Patti on November 23rd, 2007 11:22 pm
      Juan:

      Yeah, me too.

      I hope they get all of them.

      __________________________________________________

      Interesting.

      The Minister of Justice, Croes who doesn’t look
      like a bird at all, comes out with a public address:

      Anyone Found Conversing with the Aliens, shall be considered a traitor.

      Over the next week,
      two people were found
      hung… in public –

      Journalists, both of them…

      .

      Juan:

      Have there been other times
      that we don’t know about?

    97. Achilles on November 24th, 2007 7:12 pm

      Sporter Sporter the rope is getting shorter.

    98. Momov Two in bham on November 24th, 2007 7:36 pm

      My apologies, SM. After I hit send I realized I should have included “Ms” instead of Mr. And it’s not my blog – but it is one I have read religiously and respected since this case started. I am just disappointed that you chose not to post something that is not in line with your opinion. My point was and remains – Joran, Deepak and Satish ARE guilty as heck. But in my opinion, they are just the tip of the iceburg…..
      _______________________
      SM: It’s possible they are the tip of the iceburg as far as corruption in Aruba, but the scenerio of partying and drug houses posted by Prolemic on Scrux is another attempt to tarnish Natalee’s reputation and place blame on her. There is no evidence any of that ever happened. There is evidence according to the current prosecutor that JK2 harmed Natalee and caused her death. (klaasend)

    99. Carpe Noctem on November 24th, 2007 7:41 pm

      If the figure in the #24

      Basin is Natalee…

      (it is, trust me on this one.)

      Joran beat the living sh%t out of her, &
      put a bullet right in the center of her
      forehead.

      She’s missing 30-40 percent
      of the right side of her skull.

      He did it in his apartment. He had to buy
      new shoes, and his dad ordered all new
      furniture to get rid of the dna traces.

      Hey, did you Kalpoe pussies stand around
      diddling yourselves whilst watching him
      do it???

      You f’ing cowards.

      Your night train is coming boys.

      A drug overdose isn’t going to leave
      a gaping bullet hole in your head &
      40 percent of your skull gone.

      Not unless you’re duped and wind up
      at the butchering/raping/slaughtering
      Van der sloot Dump in Aruba, that is.

      Enjoy your day, you no good pieces of chit.

      -j4n

    100. Patti on November 24th, 2007 8:09 pm

      Lilly:

      Try reading about the culture and beliefs of the Arawak and Caribe Indians. Then you will get a sense of what I’m talking about.

      My mind has a hard time, too. But, isn’t it true that we have children abducted, sometimes for years. Why would it be difficult to believe that Natalee was abducted, as well, and did all that she could to stay alive.

      She deserves justice and there is a reason why the police were not allowed to search the sNooTs house. Some think it was because there was a crime scene, but I think that Natalee was there, on their property the whole time… waiting to be rescued.

      and THAT is what is most shocking about this case.
      The Police, Police Commissioner, the D.A., the Narcotic Squad, the Judges and not even the Ministers; all who knew where Natalee was, did anything to save her.

      The whole Arawak Nation knew what was to become of the little girl from America the minute the news went out. The Cage, The Knife and The Girl; that was all they needed to know… and NOT one single person made a suggestion that Natlee may be at risk because she is a virgin…

      Besides, how else do you explain the condition of her body on June 9th and how could the blood be so fresh if she had died a week earlier? No, Natalee died much later than May 30th.

      By the way, the police claimed they recovered the body of a missing boy from Columbia, not a missing girl. He was said to be buried for two years, certainly, they aren’t talking about the body that we see in the bushes. Clean, pristine, no visible signs of rigimoris, no swelling, no decay.

      IMO

    101. Patti on November 24th, 2007 8:16 pm

      P.S.

      And ALL Arawaks know the night of the Festivals.

      Every month they are predetermined by

      the placement of the stars.

      No excuse…

    102. brian on November 24th, 2007 8:17 pm

      Wow, after watching the Hans Mos interview, it looks just like it did before. Looks like They don’t have any evidence at all. They’re just trying to get some kind of confession. I doubt if Joran or the Kalpoes will even answer their questions much less confess.

    103. Miss-Underestimated on November 24th, 2007 8:19 pm

      Will Renfro still persist Natalee ran away….or is pregnant, now the Holland is using the word DEAD?

    104. Miss-Underestimated on November 24th, 2007 8:24 pm

      Latest breaking from CNN

      Prosecutor: ‘No doubt’ Natalee Holloway is dead

      Prosecutor: “We have enough evidence to prove the girl is not alive anymore”

      Two brothers will remain in jail at least eight days

      Hey Julia care to elaborate on this?

    105. Miss-Underestimated on November 24th, 2007 8:27 pm

      The suspects are all now in Aruba, the boat is headed or may even be in Aruba. The tape conversations and text messages?

      I wonder how the BOyz will feel with a new crew? Is Pauley gonna be in the middle of the mix?

    106. Patti on November 24th, 2007 8:28 pm

      Carpe:

      You’re talking about the same body as I am. The one that was found at the rocks and bagged up. How do we know that the shot to the head is nothing more than something that was done post mortem?

      I don’t see any indication of a head wound on the body in the bushes and, certainly, if she had suffered a head wound of that calibur, the blood would be massive.

      The body was bagged up and placed in the water basin to keep it cool, until all of them were picked up and delivered to their owners.

      Sloot’s Lamb

    107. Patti on November 24th, 2007 8:38 pm

      An Arawak priest would not shoot Natalee
      in the head, either before or after. Are
      there people who hate Americans there?

      Something unexplainable… but the head in the

      other picture of the body in the bag doesn’t show

      a head wound either, or atleast not blood from

      one. It shows blood in the chest area.

      Opinions….

    108. LilPuma on November 24th, 2007 9:14 pm

      89. KayJay. I like your style. And I agree.

    109. brie on November 24th, 2007 9:42 pm

      Can we do without postes that make us sick to our stomaches!

    110. katablog.com on November 24th, 2007 9:55 pm

      >>>The fact is that Beth said in the first days of Natalee’s disappearance how perfect her daughter is, a straight A student etc.. What was said in Aruba: Natalee was not a saint just a normal teenager vacationing.>>>>>>>>>>

      Beth never said that Natalee was “perfect” in the sense you try to make out. Natalee was a straight A student, with dreams and plans. This doesn’t make her perfect but it also doesn’t mean that she deserved to be killed.

      Hans Mos did say tonight that Dec. 31, 2007 is the deadline to decide to prosecute or close the case. This isn’t good news and it could indeed mean that this is Aruba’s last ditch effort and another over blown and sensationalized announcement. It’s dumb on Aruba’s part but then, Aruba has done many dumb things.

      Jossy loves Aruba and he is very positive but I think a lot comes from optimism and hope that Aruba will finally dig itself out of this mess. There can be no question that if Aruba closes the case without punishing the perps, they can write off tourism from Americans. We aren’t forgetting.

      We all know who committed the crime (though me may not know all the guilty players, we know 4 of them).

      Dave talked tonight again about going with a team with deep water equipment.

    111. Lily on November 24th, 2007 10:07 pm

      Hey Patti,

      Ok, just went and googled ‘Caribe’ and ‘Arawak’ and I kinda get what you’re saying. And I agree with you, too many people go missing every year without a trace. Like this munchy culture is catching on even outside these islands and is right under our noses. Nobody even suspects something this horrible is going on, if in fact it is.

      BUT, do you R E A L L Y think Joran was the one being ‘initiated’ into some munchable lunchable club, or do you think he was just a young, naive gansta wannabe playing the role of a”gofer” to get a nice, young, drugged up blonde virgin for a high rolling POS who was staying at “bills lodging” (aka the Holiday Inn)? Or combine this with your info, that he thought he was to deliver as he’s done 20 times in the past, but now understands what was actually done to her and is afraid of the ‘real killer’?

      Those codetalkers DO refer alot to the act of eating – like ‘being the one who warmed the food, not the one who ate it”, and “eat the sacrifice”. So one could take the codetalkers literally, and I guess that in itself would be the ultimate coverup – who in their right mind would ever believe that people are eating other people?

    112. Lily on November 24th, 2007 10:12 pm

      Brie, I promise I won’t use any of the 3 perps names in my posts so you won’t get sick to your stomach – hee hee.

    113. JusticeforNatalee on November 24th, 2007 10:14 pm

      #66 Hearing both sides of the story does NOT include victim blaming, lies, and trashing her (or her family.)

      Obviously you haven’t read the hateful tripe posted by pathetic losers.

    114. Miss-Underestimated on November 24th, 2007 10:43 pm

      Maggie and Kat excellent posts. I am hopeful that MOS has gotten some new evidence past the point of the searches of VDS home. I think by his very verbage and the fact that he would not disclose what evidence he had, are some strong indications that there may be some very compelling evidence, remember he said they could not be brought in again, if he did not find NEW evicence. The judge heard the new evidence and now the three were ARRESTED, not just asked to come in for questining.
      I also noted that he used the word are instead of is, indicating a plural, meaning to me, more that just one piece of evidence. I think it is compelling that he also used dead and not disappeared.

      Did anyone watch Rosie on Geraldo? Again, it is no wonder that our jurors are confused. I think defending attorneys deliberatly confuse the jurors. Rosemaries last two TV appearances made absolutely no sense.

    115. Miss-Underestimated on November 24th, 2007 10:46 pm

      BTW perfect…that is the way Beth felt….unselfish love….I am sure many people look at their children and think they are perfect.
      Perfect for them.

    116. Para2legal on November 24th, 2007 11:36 pm

      The charge of voluntary manslaughter baffles some of us but if you think back J2K were off the hook when the judge dismissed the actions originally brought against them “with prejudice” meaning they couldn’t be re-arrested on the same charges. I’m hoping what I’m hearing is right and the Dutch DO want the case resolved. What’s not sounding right for the moment is that PVDS hasn’t been re-arrested and as Joran’s lawyer, has access to his perverted offspring. That’s very disturbing.
      Hoping there is finally justice for Natalee and Beth and Dave can take their precious daughter home.

    117. brie on November 24th, 2007 11:48 pm

      “Puck” That is about enough!

    118. Para2legal on November 24th, 2007 11:56 pm

      Anywho I just got back into town & haven’t caught up with all the posts. The topic of my previous post has probably been discussed..just throwing my 2 cents in. I’m so hoping Dave and Beth’s hopes aren’t dashed again and the arrests are a positive step to resolution. I can’t begin to imagine what they’ve been through. My thoughts and prayers are with them.

    119. Lily on November 25th, 2007 12:12 am

      I think a refresh of the J2K convo in the back of the paddy wagon is in order now:

      snippet of it – full version can be found here:
      http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/natalee_holloway/6.html

      Joran: I should have killed you, retard. Shut your trap.

      Deepak: Won’t be fun, if you are standing in front of the judge of instructions tomorrow. Why not? Too much evidence?

      Joran: Then they are also allowed to hit me. Do you think that it makes a difference to me. One slap will be enough.

      Satish: You think, you think.

      Joran: What do you think, that you are going home to get your gun?

      Satish: That I have a gun.

      Joran: Satish, you, get gun at home, me shoot you two dead.

      Satish: Look, the police already went to my house and already investigated [searched] the house. Did they find a gun? What will she get? ["Wat zal zij krijgen." The word 'zij' is for the word 'she' or for 'they', but they use the singular verb for 'will', therefore'she']

      Deepak: (to Joran) Sometimes, you talk bullshit, right?

      Joran: (to Deepak) Why is that shit not true? Witnesses saw you.

      Satish: In the end we will see, who gets out and who stays. You tell the truth, we shall see.

      Joran: I know that I’m getting out.

      Brothers: We shall see. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    120. jenn on November 25th, 2007 12:53 am

      Patti,

      When was there a picture of a body or blood? You really have me thinking a lot about this now. I never really thought this type of stuff could happen.

      Jenn

    121. Miss-Underestimated on November 25th, 2007 2:58 am

      I couldn’t sleep.

      I hope this isn’t a last ditch effort to get more money back into Arubas tourism. The media spends alot of mone during assignments.

    122. resolution on November 25th, 2007 7:35 am

      This has been a dispicable farce from the beginning. So much evidence, but every time we thank they got ‘em we hear there is no evidence. I pray that there will be justice for Natalee & her family….FINALLY.

      I am hearing conflicting stories….is PVDS arrested or is this speculation. Personally, I believe he is in this all the way. It is also my belief that it was him pictured beside him in the casino. Too convenient that Anita was away at that time. Makes you think that he was the “spotter”. Paula$$ & his wife have done nothing but lie – is it no wonder where Urine gets it from?

      Natalee did not deserve what happened to her – and I cannot imagine the terror she went through.

    123. resolution on November 25th, 2007 7:38 am

      Excuse me…it’s early…”think” instead of thank and Paulus sitting beside Natalee in casino is what I meant. But, I’m sure you get my drift.

    124. nimrod on November 25th, 2007 8:37 am

      I hope this isn’t a set up by Anita to get her “wonderful” son home for the holidays.

    125. EURobert on November 25th, 2007 9:04 am

      New (astonishing) facts in the police-investigation in the NH-case.

      Translation of this article (mostly Google transl. partly me): http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2606498/Arubaans_offensief_in_zaak-Holloway.html

      Aruban offensive in case Holloway

      By John van de Heuvel and Bert Houses

      ORANJESTAD (ARUBA) – The office of the Aruban public prosecutor is not the most picturesque building in the heart of colorful Oranjestad. However, the boring building since yesterday is not only the tourist attraction of Aruba, but also target of a true pressinvasion.

      Cameracrews of all major American television stations are coming to line up in order not to miss a glimpse of justice-workers, that might have news about the arrest of Joran van der Sloot and his two friends. Under a burning tropical sun Head-Prosecutor mr. Hans Mos for each camera explains patiently that there is no news to be expected in the Natalee Holloway -case. But is this really true?

      The same Publ.Pros. office in Oranjestad earlier this month was the place where Mos in a deeply secret meeting of ten chiefs of police, detectives and prosecutors. The discussion had only one agenda item: Are we going to arrest Joran van der Sloot or not? The pros and cons were put next to eachother one by one. In favor of an arrest pleaded some new, very interesting research. The material was collected by a partly Dutch invetigationteam that from April this year held the old Holloway dossier to the light.

      On the basis of these findings, new technical and tactical crime investigations had been carried out, out of which striking contradictions came forward in the earlier statements by mainsuspect Joran van der Sloot. The police gladly wanted to confront Joran to those new facts. Not during an informal meeting at the police station, but in a series of tough questioning, without the three suspects getting the opportunity to share information on the investigation with each other. Against an arrest of Joran during the meeting was argued that Van der Sloots arrest would bring about another wave of negative publicity. After the first arrest and the continuing series of reports about Aruban police-failings American tourists had left the island ‘en masse’ (massively). The percentage vacationers from the United States fell by more than ten percent, which the tourism cost millions of dollars. But the ten attendees agreed quickly, economic interests could not stand in the way of the decision to reopen the Natalee Holloway-case. At the end of the discussion Saturday everyone was in line. In a final all-or-nothing offensive would it would be tried to get clarity on the fate of American blondine. “We did not want to get the reproach, that not everything was done to solve this disappearence-case.

      Moreover, Joran van der Sloot on a number of important points still had a lot to explain, said a source close to the investigation. If all the data that we have now put in line, was known at the first arrest, he would never have let go. There was much more in the file than we thought.

      Crucial

      The coming days and weeks are crucial to whether the by the family Holloway so cherished clarity will be provided. Unlike in local media is suggested the new research is not obtained by infiltration of the friends of the suspects. “Infiltration would also had have little meaning,” explains a detective who was involved in the first investigation. “The three suspects spoke against third parties not or only in general terms about the case. After their first arrest we once have put them all in a policecar and left them alone. The car was full with bugs because we hoped that they would talk about the case. Nothing. Nothing. The blokes were as silent as a grave ”

      The preliminary investigation also showed that Joran van der Sloot previously abused girls against their will. “We came into contact with an ex-girlfriend that had confessed to a therapist that she was raped by Joran. Naturally, we tried to let her press charges against Joran, but unfortunately she didn’t want to do that. She was still in love with Joran,” said the detective.

      Gaps

      Although earlier it was already clear that the investigation especially in the period shortly after the disappearance had big gaps in it, the new police team also encountered many shortcomings in the initial investigation. “For example, on key points there wasn’t pressed enough for their answers or reports of phonetaps were not fully written down. For instance: on a particular conversation in the transcript was put “it is not relevant”, and therefore not literally written down. Now we have listened to a number of interviews again, we see – in combination with the new research – indeed new suspicions rise up, “says a Dutch detective. Police and Attorney General in Aruba are convinced Joran and his friends Deepak and Satish have picked up girls many times befor, drugged them and had sex with them!!!. Headofficer of Justice Hans Mos confirms that is not thought that in the case of Natalee there was a preconceived plan to murder the girl. “For that reason, in addition to the manslaughter offense abuse resulting in death was added,” says Mos, who also does not deny that the investigation-team is going into a crucial week. While after yet another television interview he wipes the sweat of his forehead: “Of course we realize perfectly well that there will be much criticism again if we don’t solve the case now. But it would be unacceptable if we had not done the maximum to solve the disappearance of Natalee Holloway? Yes, it is true that at this moment we have not yet decided whether we take Joran and the brothers K. to court. This depends partly on what they the coming days will declare on the contradictions. And what if they remain silent? “That would, in this case, not be in their own interest!”

    126. resolution on November 25th, 2007 9:42 am

      I was obsessed with this story from day one, wanting justice to prevail and trying to read between the lines & lies. I have not been on this website for quite a long time from sheer discust!

      The re-arrests have me hoping & praying that this heinous crime will be resolved, as should have been over 2 years ago. I do have a new theory on the reasons for the re-arrests. I think both rumors I am hearing are a combination of “the new evidence”. According to Jossy, some kinds of scientific discovery occurred while digging at the vds home. While the digging & possibly this discovery was going on, is when the cell phones/text messages were occuring, again to get stories straight and what they did not know is they were being bugged.

      Anyone care to comment?

    127. Vicki on November 25th, 2007 9:51 am

      For this Islands sake, if this is just BS…they will NEVER recover…This PIG at least is quilty. I look back watching how this LOSER family so happy their BOY,who will never be a man, was set free, and I cant help but feel sick that EVIL walks on that Isand and lives and breaths. I will BOYCOTT this VOLCANIC ASHE till I die, if there is no JUSTICE for BETH,DAVE AND NATALEE.

    128. Melting on November 25th, 2007 10:40 am

      Has anyone seen this photobucket site yet?!http://s66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/?start=0…lots of documents photographed and pictures etc…

    129. 10061906 on November 25th, 2007 10:46 am

      I’m afraid that I am the skeptic here. I believe this is The Netherlands attempt to stop the bleeding. Aruba tourism is down the toilet if the last travel show is any indicator. Did you notice no trolls came out to repudiate the pictures, which speak thousands of words?
      “What evidence can we present without really presenting anything? How about intangible phone transcripts? We can write a script to fit the crime; eliminate the players we don’t want involved and then proceed to prosecute the goats and close the case.”
      I don’t believe Natalee is in the ocean. I don’t believe she was taken to the beach.
      It was stated that teenage islanders take to the water like fish and know where the boats are; well Joran lives only a few kilometers from the outback where the air shafts are located. That is where he played as a kid. He was probably warned not to play too close by his father; least you fall in and NO BODY will ever find you.
      I do believe that Dennis Jacobs had a hand in the crime against Natalee. He was too quick to come up with excuses to Beth and Dave. He also should be indicted for destroying evidence and tampering with witness statements.
      Obviously if a narcotics agent is placed in charge of a homicide; then narcotics/drugs played a roll in Natalee’s demise. Whether she was given them at C and C’s or the three drugged her; the necessity to cover up the paper trail is quite evident.
      I have followed this case from almost day one. Last night it sunk in that Natalee in all probability is no longer with us.
      I went out to do a little shopping and I was humming a tune from the Wizard of Oz.
      A group of young teenagers where approaching the store singing, “Follow the yellow brick road” and we picked up a puzzle for someone and the caption on the box read, “There’s No Place Like Home”.
      We need to bring Natalee home to the USA.

    130. brie on November 25th, 2007 11:20 am

      I read where this is a combination of old and new evidence also the Dutch examined and reviewed documents. It sounds like they reinvestigated everything and found alot of inconsistencies . Hopefully they redid the investigation the way it should of been done initially.

      Perhaps the Dutch have cleared the pathway to justice. It certainly sounds as though.

      As for Taco Joe and his refried bean Rosie, what a joke. Heartburn!

      Maybe sweaty papa Sloot has run out of towels to sop it up. Could he be next? I believe the Kalpoes might turn him in.

    131. Andrew on November 25th, 2007 11:42 am

      IMO the forensic evidence came from the Sloot compound…remember when Beth & Greta had the interview with Daddy Sloot, Beth said she felt Natalee had been there. I also feel her death was an accident, which coincides with charges of manslaughter. The punks never intended to kill her-”something terrible happened”. I’d like to give a shout to Aristotle (if you’re out there in cyberspace reading this).

    132. katablog on November 25th, 2007 11:50 am

      The Dutch have seen the inconsistencies because they scream at anyone who looks into the case at any depth. I fear that they may only be “recognizing” them to appease those of us screaming about them for 2.5 years. Perhaps they think by admitting them but then saying “it’s too late”, that will make the case go away. It won’t for me.

    133. JusticeforNatalee on November 25th, 2007 12:22 pm

      #125 Thanks, EuroRobert.

    134. Patti on November 25th, 2007 2:32 pm

      Jenn and Lilly:

      There was a video taken the morning that Joran confessed… the day after the festival. In it is a body behind a man that is painting a rock that is covered in blood. He is also painting the ground. In my opinion, he is part of a cleaning crew that prepares the area for the next festival, which would be a month later.

      A woman, who I think is Natalee, has been taken down from the rock and placed on a bush so the man can do his work. There is a frame from the video in the forum, all you have to do is ask Klaas and she will direct you to it. She was tied to the rock, with her hands up in the air, and her feet bound as well. You can see the blood from her fighting with the ropes tied to her feet, as the rope tore into her flesh and made her bleed at her ankles. You can spot her by looking for her left arm which is still held over her head. She is almost directly behind the painter. (With her arm raised above her head she looks like the statute of Liberty.)

      As far as those that doubt the possibility of Arawaks still existing, consider that there were many groups that are included in their history that still exist today. The Quakers and the Free Masons to name a couple. The Cherakee, the Navajos, along with the Arawak and Caribe still exist… as do the English and the Dutch.

      To answer your question of whether Joran was just another punk kid doing stupid things, I don’t know. Did he rape her? I don’t know. But I know what I see in the Chicago Videos and I know what type of people would inflict those injuries.

      Arawak…

      Patti

      .

      Klaas,

      Can you please post the frame?
      I don’t know how to do it.

    135. Steve Holloway on November 25th, 2007 3:13 pm

      Richard #81
      I’ve been told that the report that Dave Holloway is going to Aruba is completely false. According to this source (who is in telephone contact with him), he is not going there and has no intention of going. Don’t know about Beth.

      My reply….That is correct…he is not going and has not been to Aruba in along time. He checked out the ship down in the gulf not Aruba. He will leave the search up to Tim and others.

    136. Patti on November 25th, 2007 4:11 pm

      Lily and Jenn:

      Go to the Forum, Under Natalee Holloway

      and find the “photo evaluation” thread…

      you’ll find it there.

      I don’t know how to make a link for you

      to click on it from here.

      I have a feeling Klaas is REALLY busy.

      I have a copy of it on my computer but

      can only e-mail it…

      Don’t post your e-mail addresses here…

      Go to the Forum.

      .

      Hey Steve!

      Good to see you.

      I hope you had a nice Holiday…

      God Bless You and Your Family,

      Patti

      ___________________
      SM: Patti – I believe the photo you are referring to is in the beginning of the photo evaluation thread here:
      http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1066.0

    137. Maggie on November 25th, 2007 9:07 pm

      Steve Holloway, thank for letting us know about that. They were still reporting last night that Dave is going on Fox.

      MaYaN, I am so sorry to hear about your mom. A hard loss to go through. I am positive she is smiling down on you each day.

      I will give the new prosecutor the benefit of the doubt, just as I have most of the people in this case, but if he starts contradicting himself and says one thing and does the other, forget it.

      I think when you investigate a crime, you start at the simple and build on that, ruling things in or out. Not vice versa.. Katablog, you are exactly right. The inconsistences and the depth of them are so obvious to anyone who wants to see. For instance, How does Jaimie say Joran called him around 6:30 to ask him to go meet some MB girls at Carlos n charlies and yet Joran says he didn’t meet them til later and decide to go until around 9:30. Why did Deepak tell that Natalee put her hands down his pants to throw an investigation off, when it wasn’t even known Natalee was missing at the time.
      Why does Paulus say Joran sneaked out the second night, when his police statement says he gave Joran permission to go out to the Wyndham.

      TY MsU!

    138. Patti on November 25th, 2007 10:44 pm

      Lily and Jenn:

      She’s wearing a loin cloth…

      Arawak!

    139. Klaasend on November 26th, 2007 2:29 am

      Patti – here is the link to the photo evaluation thread you wanted me to post:

      http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1066.0

    140. just moma on December 21st, 2007 3:45 am

      viet vet said:
      “And we will fight for justice,… a very strong trait of U.S. people”

      nurturer said:

      “As an analogy, I think if the Japanese Navy and Emperor of Japan could have foreseen the type of weapon that was to be used on their country by the USA in 1945, they would have taken a second look at their options in 1941. In the same sense, Aruba underestimated America’s response as a collective.

      As an analogy, I think if the Japanese Navy and Emperor of Japan could have foreseen the type of weapon that was to be used on their country by the USA in 1945, they would have taken a second look at their options in 1941. In the same sense, Aruba underestimated America’s response as a collective.

      Only this time, the weapon is not a bomb. The weapon is economic deprivation, empowered by a pesky communications tool universally known as THE INTERNET.”

      well, it’s now Dec. and the case has been closed.

      Now, IMO the retribution will be from the above two quotes.

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