Back to the Beach … Beth Twitty Goes Back to Aruba



ORANJESTAD(AAN) The information that DIARIO has obtained says that Beth Twitty and Greta van Susteren will arrive in Aruba during the day. They come from the United States and will stay some days on the island. What they are coming for is not known. It has been some days now that Beth Twitty’s visit has been expected, but it seems that she had some personal difficulties to sort out and that kept her away.

In a sudden way she will be arriving in our island and will stay at a still unknown hotel.
We will be searching for some more details during the day when the reknown reporter Greta van Susteren and Beth Twitty, the mother of Natalee Holloway arrive on our island.

UPDATE I: Further Comments From Diario’s Managing Director Jossy Mansur

We received an email from Jossy Mansur, the Managing Director providing more clarification to the Diario article and further activities that he has planned in the search for Natalee Holloway.

In the meantime, I was contacted by phone yesterday by a Fox producer who is looking for some video equipment to rent, so some TV program is in the making.
In the meantime, Joe Walker, who was here before in the search for Natalee has arrived on the island invited by the DIARIO, and we expect his partner from California to be in on Monday.

We have taken it upon ourselves to search for Natalee in the ocean with our personnel, experts that we invited from the U.S. to help us with all the technical aspects involved, and boats and divers that we have contacted. We have some leads to go on and have narrowed the search area on the ocean so that we can soon begin our activities with divers and some detection equipment we have obtained. You will get every detail of our searches directly and without delay from me. 

As I’ve said before, I don’t care about the activities (or lack thereof) from the authorities; we have every intention of continuing to be on top of the case until we find out what really happened to Natalee. This will be the next step in our efforts to bring clarity in a very obscure case. (Jossy Mansur)

UPDATE II: More from 24ora and Pics Too


(Click here for more pics)

If you liked this post, you may also like these:

  • Transcripts From Beth Twitty and Greta Van Susteren, June 20th Interview
  • Natalee Holloway Investigation: Beth Twitty To Return to Aruba Today
  • Natalee Holloway; Afternoon Update
  • Amigoe: Beth Twitty Returns to the Scene of the Crime … Back to Aruba … What Happened to Natalee Holloway?
  • Jug Twitty On the Record; July 18, 2005

  • Comments


    1. Melissa on September 30th, 2007 12:46 pm

      On Greta’s blog she wrote: “Aruba did not exactly make our entry into this country easy”. She went on to write that once she leaves she will explain in more detail. She is blogging from her Blackberry which is not easy. She also wrote that Anita wanted to meet but Greta said time did not permit. It will be interesting to hear the whole story.

    2. Patti on September 30th, 2007 1:14 pm

      I’m not surprised that Aruba didn’t make their entry into the country easy. Obviously, they’re
      looking for something… I hope they find it.


      Justice for Natalee

    3. Lady Justice on September 30th, 2007 1:20 pm

      The end is near Joran!!!

    4. mayan_moons on September 30th, 2007 1:34 pm

      Wow what a surprise…..soo does this mean the deep sea search is about to begin guys???

      Is this visit from Beth & Greta to coincide with the release of her book??

      My thoughts & prayers are with you BETH as i know everyone else has you in theirs also!~

    5. mayan_moons on September 30th, 2007 1:48 pm

      My questions sond silly as the article states in black & white that the search is to commence but in a way its so hard for me to believe that it is really going to happen for Natalee.

      Please God let them find Natalee…..let this nightmare of containment end for this child & her parents.

    6. Richard on September 30th, 2007 1:49 pm

      Let’s hope that answers are at hand.

      In the meantime, may God (should there be one) watch over and protect Beth and those with her.

    7. Auntiem on September 30th, 2007 1:55 pm

      OMG, what a shock!! Please be careful,Beth….My prayers are with you!!!

    8. Richard on September 30th, 2007 2:06 pm

      So now Greta van Susteren, she who said she was “inclined to believe Joran,” is back in favor? Is it that Beth is to appear on a different TV program in a few days (I believe that it’s on a different program)?

      Or, having ignored Natalee’s story for so many months, is she now thinking that she can “cash in” on it again?

      The media stars are among the more repulsive people manifested on today’s cultural screen, in my opinion. On again, off again … whatever helps ratings.

      Anyway, I too wonder if something is about to break … or is this just a way of putting more pressure on the Dutch to keep the case going?

    9. Richard on September 30th, 2007 2:07 pm

      Is this Joe Walker the partner of Tim Miller?

    10. Richard on September 30th, 2007 2:13 pm

      It’s Larry King Live that she’s supposed to be on on Oct. 3.

    11. mayan_moons on September 30th, 2007 2:13 pm

      If Aruban’s have a brain in their head they will behave & stay out of Beth’s way.

    12. Jerry from Ohio on September 30th, 2007 2:15 pm

      All of my good thoughts are with Beth and I also believe that these two woman are very courageous to be going back to Aruba now knowing what they know about how that island functions or Dysfunctions I should say .
      I do hope that I am incorrect, but in my opinion Greta is no longer creadable as she is in the VDS’s pocket . I really think that this American news woman fell romantically for Joran when he was interviewed by her in the states .

    13. mayan_moons on September 30th, 2007 2:32 pm

      I haven’t read Greta’s blog since she said she was inclined to believe one of the biggest liar’s i’ve EVER seen in my life, yeah YOU Jurine.

      I’m changing my mind to keep up with everything that goes down on the isle of lies & deceit.

    14. jim on September 30th, 2007 2:58 pm


    15. Vicki on September 30th, 2007 3:03 pm

      God bless you Beth, You have been thru so much.I pray for your safety and for answers. Its time now….those monsters that stole Natalee from you will pay dearly. and PATTI, just so that you know, Im pretty sure that wampum means “money”.

    16. Patti on September 30th, 2007 3:38 pm


      You’re right…

      but now is not the time to argue…

      rather a time to celebrate!

    17. dj on September 30th, 2007 4:57 pm

      sounds like jossey is doing a PR job for aruba. taking advantage of fox news being their so it looks like they have been searching for Natalee all this time. sorry jossey, greta and beth are already on there way home. the trip is for beth’s book release tuesday not for some PR stunt. i hope greta doesn’t cover jossey’s story!!!
      SM: :) You are forgetting that it was Jossy that broke the news first that Greta and Beth were in Aruba. Julia Renfro claimed not to know ;) I bet Greta does cover Jossy’s story among other things including the embarassing video of inside the police department in Aruba that she promises to air (klaasend)

    18. Miss-Underestimated on September 30th, 2007 5:04 pm

      Well it looks as though Aruba, thought they’d never have to see Beth again. The ladies have my respect. You go Beth and Greta. I hope the is the beginning of the end, that answers will be found.

      Aruba you should NEVER underestimated the power of a mother looking for her daughter.

    19. Susan on September 30th, 2007 5:25 pm

      I’m also surprised that Beth is stepping foot on Aruban soil after the harrassment and threats she had to deal with before. Let’s hope and pray that something good comes out of her visit :-)

      May God keep Beth safe from the savages on that poverty stricken, drug/criminal infested, third world Dutch protectorate of Aruba!

      I do wonder why Anita wanted to meet with Greta…



    20. Auntiem on September 30th, 2007 5:49 pm

      Greta may be scheduled to be on Larry King Wed., but I’m more inclined to believe that she is going to air this piece on her “On the Record”, for ratings. Just MO but that’s Greta. She must’ve filmed some “good” stuff in the Police Dept., if she is saying that she will never go back to Aruba. I wonder if the two stayed in a hotel ( that seems too dangerous). Maybe they had a little R&R at Jossey’s and got out of Dodge, but quick!!! What a coup for Beth!!!

    21. mayan_moons on September 30th, 2007 6:48 pm

      I’m not suprised that seacow Anita tried to horn in and talk to Beth.

      Hey Anita, if you want to talk why don’t ya talk with the police & tell them all you know and while you’re at it tell you’re goonboy to put an end to this & tell the Truth!~

    22. dennisintn on September 30th, 2007 6:51 pm

      #l7, jossy has been outspoken in his efforts to secure justice for natalee from the very beginning. it was jossy’s son who found the backhoe and helped dave dig in the stinking garbage dump for his daughter’s remains. i’m all for helping jossy in anything he needs.

    23. BeccaBangBus on September 30th, 2007 7:16 pm

      Could it be that the human bone found matches natalees DNA?

    24. mayan_moons on September 30th, 2007 7:17 pm

      I’m with you dennis…..Jossy is the only one not talking out of both sides of his mouth. The only person to tell the truth that Jurine is and always was a *problem child*, and as you said he was the ONLY person that provided the backho needed to search the landfill while official’s blocked searching there using the excuse of permits when every second counted.

    25. brie on September 30th, 2007 7:18 pm

      Beth is not giving up…God Bless Her…their trip could be not the I’m sure they’re using all precautions..I’m glad she has someone by her side…a reporter she definitely needs…this could be a break in finding Natalee…I hope so! She’s has tried so hard only to be blocked by crime and corruption. I hope she gets her answers!!!!

    26. LilPuma on September 30th, 2007 7:55 pm

      If Greta does a piece on Beth and Aruba, will Fox also air something from Joe Tacopina? I’ll keep the Alka Selzer handy just in case.

      God bless Greta and Beth…..and Jossy, Tim, Dave and all who have supported the search for Natalee and justice.

    27. Arubiano Puro on September 30th, 2007 7:57 pm

      U guys are talking about crime and curruption, not the safest place etc. but god damn, like america doesn’t have any scandals, curruptions, murders, kidapping etc. U name it and America’s got it. America’s greatest coverup, 9/11. Blame it on islam to cover up some curroption in Irak to get oil ? Can some one prove me wrong about that ?

    28. Kat_Gram on September 30th, 2007 7:58 pm

      Well, I will have to saty tuned and pop in more often ( busy at work ). I first thought that I had opened an old. Beth’s book is also coming out
      and it looks at if what Aruba is trying to sweep under the rug just will not stay under that rug ! ! Go Beth go.

    29. Maggie on September 30th, 2007 8:01 pm

      Good for Beth, always knew she was one of the strongest women, I’ve ever known. Those &*&(# still don’t get it. No one can stand in the way of a mother, no matter what they say or do to try to push her back, it never matches the strength of a mother looking for her child. She never hears all the other garbage, because her mind is focused on one thing and one thing only, finding her beautiful daughter that she was robbed of and justice for her. Those who harmed her and covered it up should know by now, no matter what they say or do, they won’t stop her.

    30. mayan_moons on September 30th, 2007 8:09 pm

      Remember all of the island’s Official backho’s were unavailable without buying a permit that only lasted 2 or 3 days?

      I guess all the backho’s were to busy spreading lies about Natalee & the family on the internet.

    31. mayan_moons on September 30th, 2007 8:18 pm

      Hey Kat_Gram!

      Glad to see you and i also thought today’s front page title was a thread from 2005 for a second there! I did a doubletake.

      Don’t work to hard~

    32. mayan_moons on September 30th, 2007 8:28 pm

      Lil Puma says “If Greta does a piece on Beth and Aruba, will Fox also air something from Joe Tacopina?”


      Gosh i hope NOT! NO ONE cares what JT has to say!

    33. thoroughlydisqustedwitharuba on September 30th, 2007 8:35 pm

      That is got me questioning, why would Beth go to Aruba? Greta believes an habitual liar, go figure.
      Beth wondering is Natalee a sex slave or if Joran and pimps murdered her. Believe somebody needs to convince Joran to talk. I believe he did we just don’t know it. Will Aruba ever tell the truth? Damn s__t-hole.

    34. dennisintn on September 30th, 2007 8:36 pm

      the u.s. doesn’t advertise itself as crime free. aruba does. another aruban lie to add to the huge stack of other aruban lies.

    35. brie on September 30th, 2007 8:40 pm

      It could be the answers we are waiting for!!!

    36. Patti on September 30th, 2007 9:14 pm

      Looking at the pictures reminds me of what a
      hole that island is. That’s why we stayed
      aboard the ship most the day. I, too, was
      invited to go to Carlos and Charlies by members
      of the crew because the ship doesn’t leave Aruba
      until midnight… I passed.

      Aruba… we will boycott you

      til hell freezes over

      if we have to.


      Justice for Natalee

    37. Patti on September 30th, 2007 9:35 pm


      What difference does it make? We don’t go to your island and promote our beaches to you… we
      don’t make up slogans with a special invitation, lying about how safe and happy we are. You on the other hand do all the above but don’t back it up with your actions.

      You have a tourist that you invited to your island. You represented your island as a safe place to be. Now that tourist is missing and all we get from your government is lies about where she is and what happened to her while they protect the criminals that attacked her and refuse to return her to her family.

      Our government doesn’t hide tourists from their families in an effort to make everything SEEM okay. Everything is not okay in Aruba and until it is, your tourist trade will be boycotted. Pure and simple.

      Aruba: No Bread for You!!!!!

    38. media man on September 30th, 2007 10:29 pm

      They are preparing a story to coincide with BTH’s book release. They have no new revelations, but do not want to miss the opportunity to compile a new piece in October and then use it again in the ratings period of November.
      The Dutch investigators have kept BTH informed of the status of their efforts, but no reports of progress are forthcoming.

    39. Honey on September 30th, 2007 11:09 pm

      Im from Aruba, if Aruba is sooooo bad what are they doing here???? OHHHH now i know they are here for pictures shooting for Bets new BOOK. For that Aruba is good!!! You people have everyday something cruel happen in your country just see nancy grace. And you guys bothered us about Natalie Holloway? Ps get a life!!! Let us live in Peace.

    40. Mary on September 30th, 2007 11:53 pm

      I really feel sorry for the everyday people of Aruba.There are many groups of outlaw people using the island for their own gain. Are there concerned groups that can make an impact on the island against this corruption?

    41. LilPuma on October 1st, 2007 12:06 am

      Bad things happen in the U.S. everyday. We have a few more people than you do and we speak out about coverups and crimes, as do many in our media. You complain about those who criticize and expose your crime and coverups. We’ll let you live in peace when you stop enabling your young people to drug tourists and get away with thefts, rape, even murder, so that you can continue to claim you have very little crime and blame tourists if they are victims. There are those in Aruba that know what happened to Natalee Holloway. Some panicked when she remained unconscious. Some covered it up.

    42. on October 1st, 2007 12:07 am

      Mary: You only need to read nasty things written like Arubiano and you will understand that the Arubans only want American dollars. They don’t give a wit about Natalee and her family. So, no I don’t feel sorry for them.

    43. mayan_moons on October 1st, 2007 12:09 am

      Everytime one of you moron’s bash Beth & Natalee you do more to hurt Aruba’s image than we could ever do. Keep it up stooopid!~

    44. LilPuma on October 1st, 2007 12:11 am

      40. Mary. Yes. The Aruban police and government of Aruba. If these “groups of outlaw people” are more than Aruban authorities can handle, they can ask The Netherlands for help. They can ask the FBI for help. That’s if they want these groups off their island.

    45. LilPuma on October 1st, 2007 12:12 am

      30. Mayan_Moons. :-)

    46. on October 1st, 2007 12:15 am

      24ora postings will give you a clear view of what Arubans think of Americans and how much they care for a family that lost their child. What awful, ugly people.

    47. mayan_moons on October 1st, 2007 12:58 am

      *tips hat to LilPuma*

      Sounds like Anita the Hun got her nose out of joint being Dissed by Greta and Beth don’t it?

      The best part is them saying Beth has no class when they’ve got Anita talking about getting and i quote “THICK KISSES FROM JURINE”.

      lmao Anita may have been in a class (of what i haven’t figured out yet) but has not an ounce of class in her whole body!

    48. Ray on October 1st, 2007 3:03 am

      #36 and #37
      Amen Patti, tell it like it is.

      Arubiano, Why dont you crawl back under your bridge like a good little troll.

    49. brie on October 1st, 2007 4:28 am

      So Anita wants to talk…should of done that 2 yrs ago…pathetic…your the mother of a psychopath…and is responsible for Natalee’s disappearance…who wants to talk to you…we don’t have time nor do we want to…your by-passed…your also part of all the crime and corruption…a teacher, there is no way my child would be in your classroom, sea cow!!!!

    50. Ray on October 1st, 2007 4:48 am

      If only 10 percent of the people in Aruba had a
      CONSCIENCE, we would know by now what happened to Natalee and where to find her.

    51. brie on October 1st, 2007 4:48 am

      I would think the decent people of Aruba would welcome this attempt to resolve this case. I am glad we have Jossy. Anita needs to stay indoors, no one would want to see her face!!!! Mother and protector of her delicious sporter! The sea cow who allowed her pervert to terrorize the island!!!! You allowed his destructive ways, his irresponsible behavior, his illegal actions, a parent your not!!!!!!!

    52. Vicki on October 1st, 2007 6:51 am

      you ppl think that bashing Beth and Natalee is gonna endear you to us.The whole Island could sink and I would say good bye….UGLY

    53. NOT - Pearl on October 1st, 2007 8:48 am

      We All live on a world that have all kind of tragedy, natalie holloway is one of them. All over the world you have crimes and in US is it NO exeption. We here on Aruba live safe, our hotels are full full every day, thanks GOD. Don’t ask

    54. disgustedmom on October 1st, 2007 9:25 am

      From #1 “She(Greta) also wrote that Anita wanted to meet but Greta said time did not permit.”

      I love that little slap in Anita’s face…K Jansen’s ‘time does not permit’! Ha ha

      That stupid Anita…what the hell did that bombass want? How dare she even think Greta would want to talk to her!

      Anyone think Anita’s not caught right in the middle of what happened to Natalee? She knows! And she’s the designated spokesperson for the VDS family…why? Because she was conveniently NOT on the island when the shit went down. And they are so stupid they think Anita’s absence from the island on that fateful night is all that is needed to make Anita appear innocent of knowing first-hand what became of Natalee. IMO!

      It is weird though that Anita would surface. It’s been so long since any of the VDS’s have spouted off at the mouth. All those interviews and a book? And then nothing? I don’t see silence as an option for the VDS’s…rather think one or more of them post on message boards.

    55. Miss-Underestimated on October 1st, 2007 10:27 am

      I think Anita wanted to talk to Greta to see if Greta could buy Anita a new camera.

      If you build an island on a foundation of lies, only a matter of time when it crumbles, kinda like the Natural bridge.

    56. JusticeforNatalee on October 1st, 2007 11:01 am

      Link to Greta’s numerous postings and photos.

      Scroll down to see them all.

      Feel free to post comments.

    57. Richard on October 1st, 2007 11:39 am

      J4N, thanks for posting that link. I don’t know to what extent Greta is trying to get her ratings going again by going on and on about the pursuit and other things that happened in Aruba … but should she, or anyone, be surprised?

      Haven’t we been through all of this before?

      Dave Holloway, in his book “Aruba,” tells us of how their search helicopter was followed. (The same thing happened to the Bradley family on Curacao; and at one point, someone who posed as a harbor official … it wasn’t clear if he really was … said to them, ‘Search for your daughter all that you want, you aren’t going to find her,’ or something similar.)

      I’m surprised that Beth actually went to Aruba again, after once saying that she never would.
      But I’m very happy that they have left quickly.

      Holland, nobody expects justice from Aruba. But the eyes of the world are upon you … will you take action in Natalee’s case?

      And a note to our own government … read what Greta has to say about the hostile reception, and then try to explain why, more than two years after Natalee disappeared, you continue to take the ‘business as usual’ route.

      Isn’t our OWN government supposed to care about a missing American citizen? Why do you cringe and cower before the tinpot dictator’s government of a little s—hole of an island?

      Will nobody, in this year of a presidential race, speak up for Natalee?

    58. Richard on October 1st, 2007 11:55 am

      Just made a long post, but apparently it didn’t register. I’m surprised that Beth did go back to Aruba, after saying that she never would go there again, but who knows what was behind it?

      Holland, the eyes of the world are on you. Nobody thinks that the tinhorn dictator Oduber and his druggie cronies will ever do anything in this case. But you can, and you had damn better.

      And this is to our own government … after the news breaks of the harrassment of the Fox News crew, and the transparent lies that were used to impede them from doing their jobs … WHAT do you need to know to persuade you that the business-as-usual approach DOES NOT WORK WITH ARUBA?

      When will somebody in OUR OWN GOVERNMENT stand up for the rights of a missing American citizen?

      Remember that Aruba harrassed Dave Holloway when he was searching there. (Read about it in his book “Aruba.”) The same thing happened to the Bradley family on Curacao when they were looking for their daughter, Amy.

      No American should go to Aruba. Let the white slavers and the drug dealers monopolize the tourist trade … apparently the people there don’t mind, or won’t speak up. Very well, let the punishment be on their own heads.

      “No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba.” Just boycott the place.

    59. Dan in Tx on October 1st, 2007 12:23 pm

      There’s just no end in sight, is there Aruba?

      HOpe you enjoy sleeping in the bed of nails Oduber and the MEP and ALE made for you…

    60. Miss-Underestimated on October 1st, 2007 1:30 pm

      Over two years and going strong. Aruba wasn’t counting on this. Remember telling Dave Holloway go have a few at CnC’s and how much money you have?

      Well, justice will wait and preserve. You cannot silence justice. I am so glad that all of that SM and all these great posters here did not give up on Natalee.

      Aruba you cannot quiet justice.

    61. NOT - Pearl on October 1st, 2007 1:54 pm

      Thanks Greta for the beatiful pics you inspiring me to go to Aruba.

    62. JusticeforNatalee on October 1st, 2007 2:05 pm



    63. JusticeforNatalee on October 1st, 2007 2:15 pm

      Check out media coverage:

      Good Morning America
      Larry King Live

    64. JusticeforNatalee on October 1st, 2007 2:20 pm

      “Where is Natalee?”

    65. BeccaBangBus on October 1st, 2007 3:18 pm


    66. dennisintn on October 1st, 2007 3:19 pm

      #6l, roflmao, it reminds me of bikini atoll, after the blast.

    67. Maggie on October 1st, 2007 3:41 pm

      Get ready for all the fake names to show up again as usual. I’m an american I’m going to Aruba now, I’m Peter Pan I love Aruba.

      Arubiano since you brought it up, show us the proof?

      Arubiano Puro on September 30th, 2007 7:57 pm
      U guys are talking about crime and curruption, not the safest place etc. but god damn, like america doesn’t have any scandals, curruptions, murders, kidapping etc. U name it and America’s got it. America’s greatest coverup, 9/11. Blame it on islam to cover up some curroption in Irak to get oil ? Can some one prove me wrong about that ?

      You talk like America is an awful place while others from your country come her to sell more trips to your country to take our dollars.

      I’ve been watching the series “The War” of Ken Burns on PBS.. makes realize even more just what all those young men from our country sacrificed in WW2, so we could be where we are today.

      Don’t come here and call us names and then expect us to flock to your country to give everyone our hard earned dollars. A mother wants her child back, had she been treated like a victim instead of a criminal, I’m sure things wouldn’t be like they are today.

    68. mayan_moons on October 1st, 2007 4:45 pm

      While the network(s) haven’t actually said its best to BOYCOTT Aruba the fact that they’ve asked the hard questions leave no doubt that people are being warned against go there. Greta has unofficially joined the boycott and by letting everyone know why by showing the way Aruban’s behave and treat people…….its a message




    69. Mike on October 1st, 2007 5:07 pm


      Your profanity and taking God’s name in vain just shows more of aruba’s lack of morals and intellect.

    70. mayan_moons on October 1st, 2007 5:12 pm

      Aruba took all the crew’s camera’s coz they wanted to harrass and chase these 2 women without American’s knowing about it.


    71. mayan_moons on October 1st, 2007 5:35 pm

      Hows those tourism numbers Arubozo’s?

      Nothing to brag about aye.

      hahahahaha you ain”t seen nothing yet~

    72. brie on October 1st, 2007 8:01 pm

      The island is corrupt…seeking young tourists..Joran played the pimp game..the crack houses, why do they exist…the whole island is based on sex..and the police turn there heads..

    73. JusticeforNatalee on October 1st, 2007 9:10 pm

      Oh, Please.

      Anita has had over two years to convince both her son and husband to tell the truth and take their punishments like men.

      Why should Beth even have the time of day for Anita?

      What is Anita going to do? Whine some more about the “disruption” of her life and try to convince us how wonderful her little Sporter is?

    74. Patti on October 1st, 2007 9:44 pm


      They took the CAMERAS? What the hell is going on in Aruba that they don’t want anyone to see?



      You are nothing but a bunch of ruthless, savage animals that think that you can terrorize people into hiding the truth. You are lost in the past, while you try to capitalize on the future.

      What’sha gonna do Aruba?

      Cut off our arms and legs and cook them for supper if we don’t abide by your immoral values? It’s our virgins you like so well, isn’t it Aruba, cause they have more conviction, strength and power in one little finger than you have in your whole body.

      You act like a bunch of clowns, each pointing in the opposite direction when someone asks about Natalee; because there is not one among you that is brave enough to tell the truth. You are COWARDS! Cowards feeding off the dead carcasses of Crowes.

      Wow to the Arawak Nation, because you will fall on your face when they come to get you. Your teepees will crumble and your fires will burn no more. Your drums will fall silent and there will be only the sound of the clatter of feet…

      …. and a CHILD will lead them.


      Justice for Natalee!!!!!

    75. Allan K on October 1st, 2007 10:46 pm

      The lawless rule the island. Please let them bring Natale home and end the suffering on that level. Then prosecute those boys for murder and raping American girls. I am so damn tired of those perverts walking around free. Its pretty apparent they are guilty and probably have confessed too!

    76. Gayle Lundgren on October 1st, 2007 11:11 pm

      I am truly happy to see Greta entering the island again hoping that someday soon she will help the Holloway/Twitty’s find the peace they are deserving and help Aruba reconcile itself to the terms of the resolution. All could sure use a break.

    77. on October 1st, 2007 11:16 pm

      Pearl shows her true colors? Suddenly she’s an Aruban? Well she can’t possibly be ON Aruba if she is seeing full hotels.

      We’ve heard the “our tourism is doing great” for 2 years now. It’s still not selling.

      BTW, how can you blame Americans for ruining your tourism if it’s doing so well?

      I know, I know: Big people lie.

    78. Patti on October 1st, 2007 11:28 pm

      Has anyone contacted the Dutch. I would hope that the Dutch would recognize the importance of having their people present to bring a voice of reason to this uncivilized Nation.

      My thoughts and prayers are with Beth in what I hope will be her final search for her daughter. May Beth, finally, find the peace that she needs to go on. May God watch over her and guide her steps, every place she goes.


      In rememberence of Natalee and the monstrosity of corrupton in Aruba…


      We will ALWAYS Boycott!

    79. Carpe Noctem on October 2nd, 2007 12:37 am

      Knock ‘em dead, Beth & Greta!

      These people are pathetic. From
      all appearances, they will simply
      never learn.

      If they treat the mother of a most
      likely deceased young tourist girl
      LIKE THIS…

      if they choose Aruba as a vacation

      ANSWER: We know, Greta recorded it.




    80. Ray on October 2nd, 2007 1:18 am

      fhe low life people of Aruba have added insult to injury by not letting Natalee’s family have a funeral and say goodby to their daughter.

    81. Patti on October 2nd, 2007 2:03 am

      Where are all the trolls?

      Hiding under a rock with Rudy?!?!?


      Hey, Rudy!

      Something tells me that your gods are angry…

      Have you fed them, lately?

      You could try tossing in that

      mane that you call a toupee…

      But, I have a feeling they’d

      rather feast on the whole Lion!

      (and you have the nerve to talk about aliens)

    82. Wade on October 2nd, 2007 3:13 am

      I do hope they have a safe and productive trip in Aruba.

    83. Dolf on October 2nd, 2007 8:24 am

      Patti: Dutch gov. is involved, Dutch marines and airforce searched the island.

      and it maybe sad for the Holloways but…other stuff does happen, we have more deaths and kidnappings.

      let me ask you this: if this would have happened in the States, what would a judge do without a body and/or evidence

      and for the smart 1 calling for a boycot of Holland….think its wise to boycot the 3rd foreign investor.

      and Aruba, forget about the Dollar, its all about the Euro. Dollar is dropping faster then Bush his rating.

    84. dennisintn on October 2nd, 2007 11:38 am

      check out bucuti beach cam .com if you want an indication of how well tourism is doing these days. this morning there were 6 people when i looked. more than usual, actually.

    85. Patti on October 2nd, 2007 1:16 pm


      I’m sorry… I don’t get it.

      Are you saying that we are to ignore the offensive things that were done to Natalee and her family because it is not economically good for our country? What about the other women and children that go missing? The State Department estimates that they’re numbers are over 800,000 a year. Are they to be ignored, as well, for economic reasons?

      In my opinion, the reason the dollar is weak has nothing to do with the plight of the missing. It has more to do with the number of homes that are going into foreclosure because people can’t meet their mortgage notes. I’m sure you heard about the hy-brid financing that was introduced a few years ago and no doubt you have read about the toll it’s taken on the banking industry. Congress has held special sessions on this subject and, this is only the beginning… but that has little to do with the demise of Natalee Holloway or the non-investigation into her disappearance.

      I, personally, support the boycott on principal; and in hopes that this doesn’t happen again. Not to an American, Venezuelan, Columbian or Dutch. The religious practices of the Arawak Nation is a problem, and while they have the right to practice their religion, they don’t have the right to kidnap innocent children to sacrifice to their pagan gods.

      You ask what a judge would do without a body or evidence? I believe there is evidence, and possibly, even, a body. The bigger question is, how can we expect Justice of a Judge who puts his own personal, religious beliefs above the law?


      Boycott Aruba!

    86. Patti on October 2nd, 2007 2:09 pm


      And…. Yes, I would support a boycott against the Netherlands if they continue to support Aruba and make no attempts to stop the crimes that are committed against the women and children in their country. If you study the human trafficking routes out of the Soviet Block countries, they lead straight to the Netherlands. I’m sorry, but I find it hard to believe that a country as small as the Netherlands is not aware of the influx of hundreds of thousands of men, women and children who are sold into modern day slavery right under their noses.

      I think that it’s time that we think GLOBAL when it comes to the lives of our innocent children. There is no mother alive who doesn’t care when she hears the stories of those that go missing. Many of them are offered jobs, to help their families, they’re excited thinking about a new future. But once they leave, they are never heard from again.

      That is not an economical problem it’s a concern for humanity.


      Justice for Natalee

    87. Dolf on October 3rd, 2007 3:51 am

      Patti, hate to wake you up. but we live in a world who puts economic interests above human interests (comming from the States you should know that) and there is only a certain amount of recourses 1 can put into an investigation.

      and they do try to stop human trafficking, its just to much trafficking going on, they stop 1 and 3 get through (same with the drug trafficking)

      But you would boycott any country where this happens?

      cause this is happening in every country.

      your right on 2 things.

      human trafficking is awfull
      and the downfall of the dollar has nothing to do with Aruba, that was just a cheap shot ;)

    88. Richard on October 3rd, 2007 9:56 am

      DennisIntl (#84), Aruba Tourism Authority probably paid those six to lie on the beach.

      Gave them clemency for assaulting tourists, selling drugs, or some other unimportant trivia.

      In Aruban eyes, anyways.

    89. RealAruban on October 3rd, 2007 11:47 am

      I think the most of you haven’t been on Aruba. How do you say something of which you don’t know?
      Nobody has EVER question the chaperons how they could left somebody WITHOUT NOTIFYING the local autorithies? Every country in the world have bad guys and Aruba is no exception. Foxnews and CNN are not objective..they NEVER gave Aruba chance to reply the news. Check BBC news… they are very OBJECTIVE in their news. Do you wonder why there are still AMERICAN tourists coming to Aruba?
      Because they KNOW the island and many of you DON’T!! Some actual facts: Kidnapping is NOT common for Aruba in the past 70 YEARS and it’s STILL so!!! Murdering is as low as 1 to 2 per year. Disappearings are 1 or 2 per 5-7years. Tourist killed are 1-2 per 10 YEAR. How about that! You claimed that Aruban are corrupt…just because you don’t understand our LAWS. Here you will not be judged by ordinary people (jury) but by PROFESIONALS APOINTED BY THE QUEEN (NOT ELECTED AS IN USA). The dutch judicial system is OLDER than your nation (USA)!!! I invite all of you to come here and see for your self what Aruba have to offer. Last comment: How do you feel if an Aruban came to USA and telling bad things about you?

    90. Richard on October 3rd, 2007 3:52 pm

      Arubans are saying bad things about us all the time … how would that be any different?

      They even say bad things about missing girls on their island, and their parents.

      Maybe if they’d speak up against their own government we’d respect them. But they won’t, and we sure as hell don’t.

      Boycott Aruba … as if your life depended on it.

    91. Maggie on October 3rd, 2007 5:40 pm

      Real Aruban, noone was commenting on the number of murders in Aruba or anywhere for the past 2 plus years. First you have 2 black men framed for a crime of murder and kidnapping. When one of them is released, he says Deepak told him in Jail, that Joran and his father, and the Kalpoes sat around the pool and made up that Holiday Inn Lie. Joran used that lie when the cops and Natalee’s family showed up around 3am the night after Natalee went missing. Why were they sitting around making up lies about Natalee before it was even known publicly she was missing? The lies go on and on between these 3 and tales of meeting with Paulus. Suddenly, they get amnesia though, when asked what was discussed. Except Paulus told them the day after Natalee’s missing, if they don’t have her body, they don’t have a case. Why was she refered to as a body by Paulus? Next the main cop, Jan Van Der Straten shows up to investigate and do the questioning. Well, he is a long time friend of the Sloots, Paulus said he worked with him for years. Conflict of interest? AHATA had Arlene Shippers working for them, and she is walking around with police files of Natalee’s case, going on tv lying about the victims. Even came to the USA representing Aruba to meet with officials. Why does the AHATA have police files? Isn’t it a conflict of interest, when her cousin Guido is named also as a suspect and a friend of Joran’s from the casino? How about Jacobs, a drug enforcement cop on Natalee’s case and after Straten was taken off the case, was seen meeting with Straten in the police station and with Charles Croes, after Dave Holloway was told Straten wasn’t to be around it. Dave arrives over 2 days later and all of the police stations on the island doesn’t even know a person is missing except the one where he goes to see Jacobs at. Jacobs asked him right off , how much money do you have? Who would ask a father of a missing daughter that? He then tells him not to worry, just go over to Carlos n Charlies and have a beer, but watch your drink, they might drug you. This is a professional police department? Boeti’s involvement in this case, and done around 10 years in jail for drugs and a cousin of Dompigs? Also was reports that Kalpoes are Dompig’s cousins. Dompig came out and said these 3 are guilty as hell. Straten said he believes Natalee is dead June 5th or so of 2005 because he’s seen the evidence. A confession was announced and Joran told the police in one statement that Deepak raped and buried Natalee. There is so much circumstantial evidence that points directly at these 3 and the father and something definitely sinister going on in the police department. I also do not believe this is the first time Joran has been in trouble. I think his parents didn’t take time to be parents, just let him do as he pleased with no discipline running the streets and doing things illegal. Anita is still in denial about her son claiming he don’t drink or do drugs or gamble for money. Trouble was bound to happen. Not a doubt in my mind, they have the answers to what happened to Natalee. He has constantly appeared in interviews with a new set of lies taunting the victims family and trashing Natalee. He knows Natalee can’t defend herself now, any more than she could the night, he sat out to go to where the Mountain Brook students were enjoying their last night at CnC. He has already told them Sunday was a boring night, and nothing happens there. They said they were surprised when he showed up, underage no less. Want to blame someone for a boycott, blame the corrupt cops who don’t give a *&(&$ about tourist or victims and blame it on the Kalpoes and Van Der Sloots. They brought this on Aruba. Natalee was a victim of a crime on Aruba.

      If you can find a missing Aruban and their family in the United States that has been treated like this, let us know.

    92. Patti on October 3rd, 2007 11:00 pm

      Good Post Maggie!



      You’re right… human trafficking is really, really bad. And I think that if we, not just the U.S. but the United Nations, don’t have the resources to do something about it… they need to make the resources.

      It’s not like drug trafficking. In drug trafficking, the victim is usually consensual. The person buying the drugs wants to buy them. No one is forcing them to take drugs or to acquire a drug habit.

      With Human Trafficking, the victim is kept in the dark about where they’re going and what’s going to happen to them. They are transferred from one country to the other with hopes of working ligitimate jobs only to find that they have been sold to a brothel or worse. While in other cases, especially with children, the victims are kidnapped; stripped of the safety of their families and forced to live out the rest of their lives at the mercy of others.

      I pray that, someday, we will abolish human trafficking and the slavery that comes along with it.

    93. Dolf on October 4th, 2007 2:38 am

      Patti; most ppl pay loads of money to be smuggled in (and get cheated by the smuglers) and whilst i don’t believe in a god, I will pray with you for an end to slavery.

      as for Joran.

      the only thing he is guilty off is being an a-hole for leaving a young woman alone on a beach at night (if he would do that to a girl I know I would kick his a for that).

      so far no proof of anything different, just a whole lot of assumptions and we can’t throw ppl in jail because we think we he did it.

    94. RealAruban on October 4th, 2007 10:27 am

      Patti, maggie, richard,
      again…I’m sorry for you guys…and I know for sure that you haven’t been to Aruba in the past..But Maggie, you write something that seems very specific..but again… reading newspapers don’t make you an expert on the case…and by adding your comments/opinions/believes on the story…you’re being NOT OBJECTIVE… You and FOX & CNN are alike…
      Dolf is right.
      Maggie, do you know where the International Court of Justice is located? Why they choose it location? And you may ask…why the USA WITHDRAW from this treaty? click on this link :
      and you’ll see.
      Even in the USA is “INOCENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY” phrase common…but in fact is NOT REAL..because a jury can dicide/convict someone on a case with no-body found (with no DNA..etc etc)…only circumstansial evidence…but that’s not hard evidence…
      Maggie, I see that you missed the point with your last sentence…

    95. Richard on October 4th, 2007 3:15 pm

      No need to be sorry for me … be sorry for your island. It’s your own fault that the suspects are still out there, and your own fault that instead of seeking justice, you berate America.

      I hope you’ll get what you deserve. Or worse.

    96. Maggie on October 4th, 2007 5:44 pm

      First of all I’ve never claimed to be an expert on Aruba. Second of all, I did not get my information from reading newspapers. I have been following this case since day one. Watching the actual people come out on tv and be interviewed from Aruba. Don’t take you long to recognize when you are being led in a circle over and over and lied to. I’ve raised 3 sons and a daughter. My house was the neighborhood hang out when they were growing up. I always had a house full of extra kids around. So I know a little bit about kids behaviour. Never, would I say what kind of girl would get in the car with my son? Never have my sons engaged in such deceitful behaviour as I have seen out of Joran and the Kalpoes. Only a person with something to hide would. I have really lectured my daughter to beware at all times since Natalee’s disappearance. She went away to Florida at 18 to college and is now teaching in Florida and I still lecture after everything I have seen in this case. They are appalled at how Natalee and her family have been treated also. When I see Natalee’s story I think there, but for the grace goes my daughter. For anyone who wants to blame Beth or Dave, they are dead wrong. This can happen to anyone’s daughter. Going to their car at night, or even while they are sleeping in bed. I am so happy Beth is doing the safe travel group now. What makes it different is when the law enforcement turn a blind eye for 11 days and/or just plain cover up a crime to protect a local friend. Dealing with the loss of your child would be enough to deal with, but then to fight a govt and such trash is way over the top. Either you respect tourists and protect them and aid them or stop saying one big happy island crime free. Instead it has sounded like gives us your money and if anything happens to bad for you, get lost.

      Innocent until proven guilty and Guilty or Not guilty is for a court of law. OJ was found not guilty in a court of law, but I can tell you over 90% of the people think he is guilty and got away with a double murder. Even when there isn’t enough evidence to convict someone, doesn’t mean they aren’t the prime suspects even if they aren’t called that legally.

      I will repeat what I said , if you can find a missing Aruban in the USA and her family has been treated like Natalee and her family have, let us know.

      I won’t be going to Aruba, nor will others I know.Beth’and Dave are strong people. I don’t know what I would do if I were in their shoes. I just pray I never have to find out.

    97. Patti on October 4th, 2007 6:56 pm


      I think you’re going to be surprised when the Dutch complete their investigation. There is alot more that went on than a boy leaving a girl on a beach… in fact, that didn’t happen at all. That was just another one of Joran’s lies.

      Thank you for praying with me. We all need to pray for an end to slavery.


      Real Aruban:

      We, too, believe in “innocent until proven guilty” and we have been waiting, somewhat patiently, for over two years for the conviction of the people responsible for Natalee’s disappearance.

      While we have to respect the laws, we have done as much as we can to keep our people safe and boycotting your island is one way in which we have done this. We have every right to boycott any island we want if we feel that there is a threat to our lives and no justice system in place. Even your own people complain about dirty police and corrupt judges…

      As far as the things that you said to Maggie, I can tell you from personal experience, Maggie doesn’t miss anything. And in reviewing your comment, in general, you miss EVERYTHING.

      Send your daughter over here and let one of our psychopaths murder her and see how you feel if there is no investigation into her disappearance and you are not even given her body for a decent burial… then come talk to us.

      AND… I, for one, have been to Aruba but will never return… ever!


      Boycott ARUBA!!!!!!!!!!!

    98. Patti on October 4th, 2007 7:27 pm


      I’ve answered all your questions.

      Now I have one for you:

      What does it mean when a person is found in a cave with their legs, arms and head cut off and there are multiple stab wounds to the torso? Is it true that the Arawak Nation is still performing rituals in which they practice human sacrifices and cannibalism?

    99. Dolf on October 5th, 2007 2:37 am

      Patti: It measn that was 1 (or more) sick ppl doing sick things.

      I read about even nastier stuff happening without any “religion” have any part. We humans can be sick and disturbed.

      and how do you know Joran lied, is that you feeling or is it proven?

      Yesterday on RTL Boulevard (,id_by_component)/system/video/html/components/actueel/rtlboulevard/miMedia/2007/week40/do_holloway.avi_plain.xml ) there was an item about Beth’s book. also they said that Aruban auth. are going to close the investigation soon if they don’t get new evidence.

      anyway…8 hours till weekend kicks in.
      SM: When one has a track record of lying … that is usually the tell tale sign. When one has lied once and then tells mutiple stories … there again is a good indicator.

      When one has the truth on their side … they do not have to lie now do they?

    100. Richard on October 5th, 2007 10:10 am

      Given that Joran has told more than twenty versions of “what happened,” anyone who thinks he isn’t lying has his head in the sand (or another part of his anatomy elsewhere).

      The only other possibility is that JvdS is an outright psychopath, and is constitutionally incapable of telling the truth.

      Wouldn’t be surprised if some kind of illness runs in that whole family. Scum, one and all.

    101. Patti on October 5th, 2007 12:19 pm


      I agree with you… one or more sick people doing sick things. But, did you know that your government reported his death as a suicide? Why would they do that?

      I hope that you can understand that it is because of things like this that make us question the integrity of your government.

    102. Patti on October 5th, 2007 12:34 pm



      I read about even nastier stuff happening
      without any “religion” have any part.


      One more thing:

      I want you to know that I’ve been doing some research into the rituals and practices of human sacrifice and cannibalism in the Arawak culture. The things that were done to that man in the cave are an exact match to the method used in these rituals.

      I know that some people do bad things, usually, individually, in secret. But, I have read that many of these human sacrifices are performed by a priest in front of a large group of people.

      Assuming that I’m right, do you think that “freedom of religion” should encompass these acts, especially when you consider that many times these rituals are performed on innocent, virgin children?

    103. Maggie on October 5th, 2007 5:29 pm

      also they said that Aruban auth. are going to close the investigation soon if they don’t get new evidence.

      We thought the Aruban authorities closed this case the day after they started pursuing the 2 black security guards and let the 3 last known people run around, meeting making up more stories, cleaning cars and avoiding home, body, and car searches for over 11 days. Who’s watching over the police, Oduber? another joke, I want this to go away. This whole group of people’s lips say one thing, but there actions speak 10 times louder.

    104. Patti on October 5th, 2007 9:22 pm


      Oh, NO… Don’t get us started on Oduber

      who threatened his own citizens with the militants

      if they weren’t happy with the price of bread…

      I just wonder…

      what was so important about that bread anyway?

      Surely, there are other things

      to eat besides bread…

      Do you prefer white or wheat?

      Oh Yeah, it was only WHITE bread

      that he was all up in arms about…

      much less nutritious, you know.

      I couldn’t believe that he came out

      in that old military suit,

      lookin’ all Hollywood an’ all.

      Has he ever, really been in the military?

      I mean, everyone knows he’s an Arawak…

      What happened to his loin cloth and headdress?

      Militants… is that what he calls them?

      I prefer to call them his Croes.

      I hate Croes!


      Boycott Aruba!!!!!

    105. Patti on October 5th, 2007 9:25 pm

      The extent of Oduber’s concern about Natalee and this case can be summed up in one sentence:

      “I’m sick of hearing about that girl”

      Oduber, kiss my ass!

    106. Patti on October 6th, 2007 1:37 am


      I’m not always this funny…

      But here is an example of what I’ve been working on:


      (Also Aruacans)

      The first American aborigines met by Columbus — not to be confounded with the Aroacas or Arhouaques, linguistically allied to the Chibohas of Columbia — an Indian stock widely distributed over South America. Tribes speaking dialects of the Arawak language are met with in and between Indians of other linguistic stocks, from the sources of the Paraguay to the northwestern shores of Lake Maracaybo (Goajiros), from the eastern slopes of the Andes in Peru and Bolivia to the Atlantic coast in Guyana. The Arawaks were met by Columbus in 1492, on the Bahamas, and later on in Haiti, Cuba, Jamaica, and Puerto Rico. In the fifteenth century and possibly for several centuries previous, Indians of Arawak stock occupied the Greater Antilles. It is not impossible that up to a certain time before Columbus they may have held all the West Indian Islands. Then an intrusive Indian element, that of the Caribs, gradually encroached on the southern Antilles from the mainland of Venezuela and drove the Arawaks northward. The latter showed a decided fear of their aggressors, a feeling increased by the cannibalism of the Caribs.

      Generally speaking, the Arawaks are in a condition between savagery and agriculture, and the status varies according to the environment. The Arawaks on the Bahamas were practically defenseless against the Caribs. The aborigines of Cuba and Haiti, enjoying superior material advantages, stood on a somewhat higher plane. The inhabitants of Jamaica and Puerto Rico, immediate neighbors of the Caribs, were almost as fierce as the latter, and probably as anthropophagous. Wedged in (after the discovery of Columbus) between the Caribs on the South and the Europeans, the former relentless destroyers, the latter startling innovators, the northern Arawaks were doomed. In the course of half a century they succumbed to the unwonted labor imposed them, epidemics doing their share towards extermination. Abuse has been heaped upon Spain for this inevitable result of first contact between races whose civilization was different and whose ideas were so incompatible. Colonization in its beginning on American soil had to go through a series of experiments, and the Indians naturally were the victims. Then the experimenters (as is always the case in newly discovered lands) did not at first belong to the most desirable class. Columbus himself (a brilliant navigator but a poor administrator) did much to contribute to the outcome by measures well-intended but impractical, on account of absolute lack of acquaintance with the nature of American aborigines.

      The Church took a deep interest in the fate of the Antillean Arawaks. The Hieronymites, and later, the Dominicans defended their cause, and propagated Christianity among them. They also carefully studied their customs and religious beliefs. Frey Roman Pane, a Hieronymite, has left us a very remarkable report on the lore and ceremonials of the Indians of Haiti (published in Italian in 1571, in Spanish in 1749, and in French in 1864); shorter descriptions, from anonymous, but surely ecclesiastical, sources, are contained in the “Documentos in editos de Indias”. The report of Frey Roman Pane antedates 1508, and it is the first purely ethnographic treatise on American Indians.

      While lamenting the disappearance of the Indians of the Antilles, writers of the Columbian period have, for controversial effect, greatly exaggerated the numbers of these peoples; hence the number of victims charged to Spanish rule. It is not possible that Indians constantly warring with each other, and warred upon by an outside enemy like the Caribs, not given to agriculture except in as far as women worked the crops, without domestic animals, in an enervating climate, would have been nearly as numerous as, for instance, Las Casas asserts. The extermination of the Antillean Arawaks under Spanish rule has not yet been impartially written. It is no worse a page in history than many filled with English atrocities, or those which tell how the North American aborigines have been disposed of in order to make room for the white man. The Spanish did not, and could not, yet know of the nature and the possibilities of the Indian. They could not understand that a race physically well-endowed, but the men of which had no conception of work, could not be suddenly changed into hardy tillers of the soil and miners. And yet the Indian had to be made to labor, as the white population was entirely too small for developing the resources of the new-found lands. The European attributed the inaptitude of the Indian for physical labor to obstinency, and only too often vented his impatience in acts of cruelty. The Crown made the utmost efforts to mitigate, and to protect the aborigine, but ere the period of experiments was over, the latter had almost vanished.

      As already stated, the Arawaks, presumably, held the lesser Antilles also, until, previous to the Columbian era, the Caribs expelled them, thus separating the northern branch from the main stock on the southern continent. Of the latter it has been surmised that their original homes were on the eastern slope of the Andes, where the Campas (Chunchos or Antis) represent the Arawak element, together with the Shipibos, Piros, Conibos and other tribes of the extensive Pano group. A Spanish officer, Perdro de Candia, first discovered them in 1538. The earliest attempts at Christianization are due to the Jesuits. They made, previous to 1602, six distinct efforts to convert the Chunchos, from the side of Huánuco in Peru, and from northern Bolivia, but all these attempts were failures. There are also traces that a Jesuit had penetrated those regions in 1581, more as an explorer than as a missionary. Not withstanding the ill-success accompanying the first efforts, the Jesuits persevered, and founded missions among the Moxos, one of the most southerly branches of the Arawaks, and also among the Baures. Those missions were, of course, abandoned after 1767. During the past century the Franciscans have taken up the field of which the Jesuits were deprived, especially the missions among the Pano, or Shipibo tribes of the Beni region of Bolivia. The late Father Raphael Sanz was one of the first to devote himself to the difficult and dangerous task, and he was ably followed by Father Nicholas Armentia, who is now Bishop of La Paz. The latter has also done very good work in the field of linguistics. Missions among the Goajiros in Columbia, however, had but little success. Of late, the tribe has become more approachable. The Arawaks of the upper Amazonian region were probably met by Alanso Mercadillo, in 1537, and may have been seen by Orellana in 1538-39. The Arawak tribes occupying almost exclusively the southern bank of the Amazon, they were reached by the missionaries later than the tribes of the north bank. Missionaries accompanied Juan Salinas de Loyola (a relative of St. Ignatius) in 1564. But the results of these expeditions were not permanent.

      In the heart of the Andean region the Friars of the Order of Our Lady of Mercy (Mercedarios) were the first to establish permanent missions. Fray Francisco Ponce de Leon, “Commander of the convent of the city of Jaén de Bracacamoros”, and Diego Vaca de Vega, Governor of Jaén, organized in 1619 an expedition down the Marañon to the Maynas. In 1619 they founded the mission of San Francisco Borja, which still exists as a settlement. The first baptisms of Indians took place 22 March, 1620. The year following, Father Ponce made an expedition lower down the Amazon, beyond the mouth of the Rio Huallaga where he came in contact with the Arawak tribes, to whom he preached, and some of whom he baptized. The Franciscans entered from the direction of Juaja or Tarma, toward Chanchamayo, in 1631, and 1635. The first foundation was at Quimiri, where a chapel was built. Two years later the founders, Father Gerónimo Ximénez, and Cristóval Larios, died at the hands of the Campas on the Péréné River. Work was not interrupted, however, and three years later (1640) there were established about the salt-hill of Vitoc seven chapels, each with a settlement of Indian converts. But in 1742 the appearance of Juan Santos Atahualpa occasioned an almost general uprising of the aborigines. Until then the missions had progressed remarkably. Some of the most savage tribes, like the Canibos, became at least partially reduced to obedience, and led a more sedate, orderly life. In 1725 the College of Ocopa was founded. All these gains (except the College of Ocopa and the regions around Tarma and Cajamarquilla) were lost until, after 1751, Franciscan missions again began to enter the lost territory, and even added more conquests among the fiercest Arawaks (Cashibos) on the Ucayali. Conversions in these regions have cost many martyrs, not less than sixty-four ecclesiastics having perished at the hands of Indians of Arawak stock in the years between 1637 and 1766. Missionary work among the Arawaks of Guyana and on the banks of the Orinoco began, in a systematic manner, in the second half of the seventeenth century, and was carried on, from the Spanish side, among the Maypures of the Orinoco, from the French side along the coast and the Essequibo River. Wars between France, England, and Holland, the indifferent, systemless ways of French colonization, but chiefly the constant incursion of the Caribs, interrupted or at least greatly obstructed the progress of missions.

      Ethnologically the Arawaks vary in condition. Those of Guyana seem to be partly sedentary. They call themselves Loknono. They are well built. Descent among them is in the female line, and they are polygamous. They are land-tillers and hunters. Their houses are sheds, open on the sides, and their weapons are bows, arrows, and wooden clubs. Their religious ideas are, locally varied, those of all Indians, animism or fetishism, with an army of shamans, or medicine-men, to uphold it. Of the Campas and the tribes comprised within the Pano group, about the same may be stated, with the difference that several of the tribes composing it are fierce cannibals, (Cashibos and Canibos). It must be observed, however, that cannibalism is, under certain conditions, practiced by all the forest tribes of South America, as well as by the Aymara of Bolivia. It is mostly a ceremonial practice, and, at the bottom, closely related to the custom of scalping

      Their god’s name is Jocahu.

      Does any of this ring a bell?

    107. RealAruban on October 22nd, 2007 11:23 am

      Patti, real good job on arawak thing! But it’s not the issue here.

      A week ago I got an email where someone(s) are requesting a Congressional Hearing on FBI…
      I don’t know who are they, but yet you can check with your congressman/woman of this request.
      Here’s the email I copy/paste.

      Requesting Congressional Hearing on FBI interference in Aruban Investigation The petition Senator Patrick Leahy, Chairman, Senate Judiciary Committee Representative John Conyers, JR. Chairman, House Judiciary Committee
      For over two years the US media has reported about the disappearanceof American Natalee Holloway, in Aruba. Now we are learning that a wealthy, politically connected group mayhave pressured the legal attaché of the FBI, the highest position ofthe American Federal Police in the Caribbean based on Barbados to notonly fail to cooperate when asked for mutual assistance, but tosystematically disrupt and frustrate the investigation to protect awealthy and politically connected few. According to a July 4th article in Amigoe, a newspaper of
      theNetherlands Antilles, ‘The American Federal Bureau of Investigation(FBI) has systematically hindered the work of the police and thejudiciary on Aruba in the investigation of the missing student NataleeHolloway. Especially when it came to investigating her directrelatives, mother Beth, stepfather George ‘Jug’ Twitty – whoapparently has direct or indirect contacts and influence reaching asfar as the White House- but also when it came to investigating themore than 120 fellow students and the chaperones who accompanied themin their trip to Aruba . “You do your own dirty work”, is what was said to former policecommissioner Gerold Dompig in charge of the Holloway investigation bya high ranking FBI staff member. “Myself and also the field officer of the justice department on Aruba(at that time the European-Dutch Karin Janssen ) not only had to dealwith the enormous pressure from the FBI, who arrived on the
      island inno time, but we were also obstructed and even threatened.” As American voters and citizens of US allies, we are outraged at themedia cover up, but more importantly, the cronyism and corruption thatapparently exist in the highest levels of the US government’s federallaw enforcement agencies. Have we not learned anything from 9/11? The Judiciary is tasked with oversight of the Department of Justice(including the FBI) and the Federal Courts. We believe America should work for everyone – not just the privilegedfew. This 110th congress promised to restore accountability ingovernment and re-engage her diplomatic allies. We respectfully request a joint congressional hearing of thejudiciary to investigate this matter. The US cannot continue to be seen as a worldwide bully. Nationalsecurity depends upon a commitment to building diplomatic, cooperativealliances. Aruba and the Dutch
      are too important as allies in the war onterrorism and US interests in the Caribbean Basin to tolerate thiscronyism and corruption. Respectfully. The undersigned. —— This petition will be hand-delivered in hard copy to Senator PatrickLeahy, Chairman, Senate Judiciary Committee, and Representative JohnConyers, JR. Chairman, House Judiciary Committee with a courtesy copyto Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House.
      The case is STILL OPEN.
      In an other email I will elaborate over your congress…..
      SM: The above is based upon a bogus online petition and there is absolutely no mention of it on the congressional calendar. In other words, it’s bull shit and just another embarrassment for Aruba. (klaasend)

    108. RealAruban on October 22nd, 2007 11:49 am

      I’ve got a very interesting email with 2 questions.
      Question 1;
      It is time to elect a new world leader, and only your vote counts.
      Here are the facts about the three candidates. Who would you vote for?

      Candidate A.

      Associates with crooked politicians, and consults with astrologist.
      He’s had two mistresses. He also chain smokes and drinks 8 to 10 martinis a day.

      Candidate B.

      He was kicked out of office twice, sleeps until noon , used opium in
      college and drinks a quart of whiskey every evening.

      Candidate C

      He is a decorated war hero. He’s a vegetarian, doesn’t smoke, drinks an
      occasional beer and never cheated on his wife.

      Which of these candidates would be our choice?

      Candidate A is Franklin D. Roosevelt.
      Candidate B is Winston Churchill.
      Candidate C is Adolph Hitler.

      Pretty interesting isn’t it? Makes a person think before judging someone.

      Wait till you see the end of this note! Keep reading..

      Never be afraid to try something new.


      Amateurs…built the ark.
      Professionals…built the Titanic

      And Finally, can you imagine working for a company that has a little more
      than 500 employees and has the following statistics:

      * 29 have been accused of spousal abuse
      * 7 have been arrested for fraud
      * 19 have been accused of writing bad checks
      * 117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses
      * 3 have done time for assault
      * 71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
      * 14 have been arrested on drug-related charges
      * 8 have been arrested for shoplifting
      * 21 are currently defendants in lawsuits
      * 84 have been arrested for drunk driving in the last year…

      Question 2;
      Can you guess which organization this is?

      It’s the 535 members of the United States Congress.

      The same group that crank out hundreds of new laws each year designed to keep the rest of us in line.

      Does any of this ring a bell?

    109. RealAruban on October 29th, 2007 11:21 am

      For SM:
      Why you consider an online petition bogus? And why it’s another embarrassment for us? What is the problem with the petition? There’s many questions open and we didn’t recieved any cooperation from your side (FBI) to clarify the questions we have, regarding the students and the chaperons. My question is, why protecting them? What is to hide? Why the chaperons didn’t ring the alarm first, before they departed from Aruba? Why they have waited after arriving in Alabama to ring the alarm?
      I think that the chaperons are the first ones to investigate because they are responsables for the students in the first place.
      Another thing, I (and the rest of aruban people) think that if Joran and/or the Kalpoe brothers are in any way guilty for the disapearing of Natalee that they deserve a punishment, no doubt about it. We want justice served too…

      What do you meant by (klaasend)? Your name?

      About my last post:
      Adolf Hitler, I considered him as a devil for the things he did.
      But since then are many [B]hit[/B]lers ruling countries…such as Fidel Castro/Sadam Hussein/China/North Korea/Hugo Chaves, Venezuela/Evo Morales, Bolivia/…… and others wants to be the saviors but still can’t resolved the world problems such as hungry and Aids and other deseases, but still wants to put more money to fight a war that is not theirs, such as IRAQ, Afganistan. And for their action…the oil price rose to 90$ and still rising…our life has become more hard…and still some US media’s want to boycot us for a disappearing case…Still we and others in the Caribbean has to struggle with natural disasters/hurricanes..and each year the storms becomes more stronger…some experts says that’s because of global warming…and one country in particular, one of the biggist polutants, did not sign the Kyoto protocol/treaty, guess…
      [B]The United States of America[/B]…..
      Why? Ask your congressmen about it… you will be surpriced of the answers…check it!!!
      If you didn’t know Aruba…I invite you to view this link…

      SM: Regarding the online petition. Any fool can create one of those petitions and this one was created by a fool. There is NO congressional committee looking into this.

      The chaperones did go to the police, the beach patrol but the beach patrol failed to notify the regular police. No cooperation from the FBI??? You have to be kidding! The FBI was in Aruba and wasn’t ALLOWED to do anything.

      Yes, klaasend is my name (klaasend)

    110. Carpe Noctem on November 3rd, 2007 10:50 pm


      You have to collect the evidence and

      not hide it or toss it away first.

      I’d prefer to see them all go

      to jai… that would be best. However,

      if they let them walk free, I am pretty

      sure they are going to get their

      heads blown off. -j4n

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