Aruba Get Trade Show Wrong as Well … More Bad PR for Aruba … Can Aruba get Anything Right?


Can Aruba get anything right? Does everything have to be some form of a shake down, Aruba_OneSadIslandwhere in the process all that occurs is dissatisfied customers? Aruba still has not learned the concept “the customer is always right” and that there are other places where people can spend their dollars and get treated accordingly. The lack of understandng that concept is quite stunning seeing that Aruba’s economy is based on tourism.

If this was a problem, the ATA should have informed the meeting planners in advance, so that they could have included this in their evaluation.   The action leaves a bitter taste in the mouth now and it has negative influence on a possible recurrence.

Will Aruba ever learn that sometimes its about getting anyone to even want to come to Aruba? Since the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the bad PR they have received from the questionable investigation and judicial process, Aruba’s tourism has tanked. Aruba has all but begged and lowered prices to entice people to go to Aruba in lieu of forgetting that an American tourist went missing and vanished on their watch.

However, Aruba plays the nepotism and favoritism game again. This time its with set ups for trade shows. Aruban ministers have actually stopped the set up of a trade show so that they could have their own do the job.

According to rumours, a local company that wanted to get the job, went to the minister and told him about it.  

The premise sounds easy enough except for the fact that there is no coherent policy that states either way how to handle this issue.

Because, that is bad publicity for Aruba, is the opinion of employers’ organization Atia, who says that this is another example of a non-coherent policy. 

Amigoe; Sept 27, 2007: Problems with the set up of a trade show

ORANJESTAD – Is a group that comes to Aruba for a congress allowed to bring its own people to set up the trade show?  The minister of Immigration Affairs does not think so and has therefore stopped all the set up work this past weekend and demanded that a local company takes over.

This happened in the Radisson Hotel that accommodated a group of approximately 500 conference tourists for a trade show and expo of the company Telefonica and Movistar from Venezuela.  The set up of the show started this past weekend.  The Guarda nos Costa went to the place and ordered the work to be stopped immediately based on article 8, sub 2 of the LTU, which implies that a tourist visa does not give the right to work.  According to rumours, a local company that wanted to get the job, went to the minister and told him about it.  

The group immediately brought in some lawyers that set the matter straight, so the show could continue.  Most of the participants may not have noticed that something was going on, but this is a serious incident.  Because, that is bad publicity for Aruba, is the opinion of employers’ organization Atia, who says that this is another example of a non-coherent policy.  Minister Briesen (Tourism and Transport) is pursuing a policy that focuses on increasing the conference tourism during low season.  The arrival of the group fits perfectly in this policy, and Minister Wever of Immigration Affairs thwarts this policy by starting about work permits, while the group was already here. If this was a problem, the ATA should have informed the meeting planners in advance, so that they could have included this in their evaluation.   The action leaves a bitter taste in the mouth now and it has negative influence on a possible recurrence. 


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  • Comments

    104 Responses to “Aruba Get Trade Show Wrong as Well … More Bad PR for Aruba … Can Aruba get Anything Right?”

    1. JusticeforNatalee on September 27th, 2007 10:02 am

      Aruba, wake up.
      And realize this:

      We will NEVER let anyone forget that Aruba is denying
      justice to American citizen Natalee Holloway.

      Nervous about Beth’s book? You should be!

      Do the right thing, Aruba: Truth and Justice

    2. Patti on September 27th, 2007 10:33 am

      Only in Aruba will the Ministers, who, obviously,
      have nothing better to do than to fight among
      themselves, waste our time and money on their
      foolishness. It’s all about lining their pockets
      with green, and kicking the tourist aside in
      their futile attempt to look important.

      Trade shows usually have directors that are fully
      competent in their jobs without needing the help
      of a Minister. Don’t they have policies to worry
      about that are more important than the everyday,
      common operations of some trade show?

      Geeeeez… No one has freedom; not even visitors
      who, simply, want to do their jobs.


      Boycott! Aruba…

    3. Richard on September 27th, 2007 10:51 am

      And all the more reason for us to make sure that their trade shows here are met with demonstrations to point out the truth about Aruba … and to demand justice for Natalee.

      Patti (#2) … it’s clear that competence isn’t a word in the Aruban lexicon. Demands, petulance, kickbacks, lies, dishonesty … Aruba has no trouble with those.

    4. Richard on September 27th, 2007 10:52 am

      Judging from what I read, the Arubans caved in anyway. All that this accomplished was to stir up some enmity … let’s hope it persists.

    5. Richard on September 27th, 2007 11:23 am

      Found this article today … it’s worth reading:

      Sex trafficking rampant in Jamaica – study
      published: Thursday | September 27, 2007

      A new report and documentary, conducted in Jamaica and three developed nations, showed that there is a growing demand for youth in the sex trafficking and sex tourism markets in the country.

      The report and documentary titled ‘Demand’, from the women and children advocacy organisation, Shared Hope International, was an investigative research in Jamaica, Japan, The Netherlands and the United States, focusing on the business of sex trafficking and sex tourism.

      The report showed that Jamaica’s tourist industry, primarily its adult-only resorts, encourages tourists to demand any pleasure they wish. The report stated that Jamaica’s economic dependence on tourism and extensive poverty create a culture of ‘making do’ in which prostitution of youth is common.

      Profile of victims

      Field research conducted primarily in Kingston, Ocho Rios, St. Ann; Montego Bay, St. James, and Negril in Westmoreland, showed that the profile of victims found in the marketplace of sexual exploitation in Jamaica is broad, ranging from foreign women trafficked into and through the country, to young girls entering the sex markets.

      Additionally, the report stated that women and children are trafficked internally from rural to urban and tourist areas for sexual exploitation. At the same time, men and boys are reportedly also being recruited in growing numbers, stated the report.

      Trafficking of persons is rampant Jamaica was elevated to the Tier Two Watch List of the U.S. Department of State’s Trafficking in Persons Report in 2006.

      ‘Demand’, a 12-month investigation of commercial sexual exploitation in the culturally, economically and historically diverse nations, revealed that each country shares a culture of tolerance, allowing major markets for local and international sex tourism and trafficking to flourish.

      Demand showed that The Netherlands, which has legalised prostitution, provides the veneer of legitimacy, allowing an illegal commercial sex market to flourish.

    6. Richard on September 27th, 2007 11:24 am

      Found this story today; it’s worth reading:

      Sex trafficking rampant in Jamaica – study
      published: Thursday | September 27, 2007

      A new report and documentary, conducted in Jamaica and three developed nations, showed that there is a growing demand for youth in the sex trafficking and sex tourism markets in the country.

      The report and documentary titled ‘Demand’, from the women and children advocacy organisation, Shared Hope International, was an investigative research in Jamaica, Japan, The Netherlands and the United States, focusing on the business of sex trafficking and sex tourism.

      The report showed that Jamaica’s tourist industry, primarily its adult-only resorts, encourages tourists to demand any pleasure they wish. The report stated that Jamaica’s economic dependence on tourism and extensive poverty create a culture of ‘making do’ in which prostitution of youth is common.

      Profile of victims

      Field research conducted primarily in Kingston, Ocho Rios, St. Ann; Montego Bay, St. James, and Negril in Westmoreland, showed that the profile of victims found in the marketplace of sexual exploitation in Jamaica is broad, ranging from foreign women trafficked into and through the country, to young girls entering the sex markets.

      Additionally, the report stated that women and children are trafficked internally from rural to urban and tourist areas for sexual exploitation. At the same time, men and boys are reportedly also being recruited in growing numbers, stated the report.

      Trafficking of persons is rampant Jamaica was elevated to the Tier Two Watch List of the U.S. Department of State’s Trafficking in Persons Report in 2006.

      ‘Demand’, a 12-month investigation of commercial sexual exploitation in the culturally, economically and historically diverse nations, revealed that each country shares a culture of tolerance, allowing major markets for local and international sex tourism and trafficking to flourish.

      Demand showed that The Netherlands, which has legalised prostitution, provides the veneer of legitimacy, allowing an illegal commercial sex market to flourish.

    7. mayan_moons on September 27th, 2007 11:28 am

      Why anyone would want to do business with Aruba with the petty and underhanded way they have of dealing with people escapes me.

      Boo hoo my second cousin wanted the job of setting up for the show but didn’t get to.

    8. dennisintn on September 27th, 2007 11:29 am

      aruba’s “work police” have more than made it clear that “tourists can’t work”. in order to go to aruba, you have to be a non-worker on the happy island. how is internal revenue service going to react when they find out the 500 “non-working tourists” have written off the cost of their little jaunt to aruba as a business expense when the taxpayer couldn’t possibly have been working? anyone know the name of the chief enforcement officer of i.r.s.?

    9. Melissa on September 27th, 2007 11:47 am

      To #8 – Why would the Internal Revenue Service (USA) have an interest in a trade show from Venezuela?

    10. Patti on September 27th, 2007 12:14 pm

      Thanks, Richard…

      Your posts are always right on the mark;

      both educational and informative. I’ve

      been doing research, as well, and found

      that Jamaica is another nation that has

      its’ share of Arawak, as well as their

      ancestoral Caribe Indians.

      I’ve also read where Jamaica, generally,

      depends on the homosexual tourist market.

      I know of people that have gone there for

      their honeymoons and were appauled by the

      homosexual nudity at many beaches and bars.

    11. Miss-Underestimated on September 27th, 2007 12:26 pm

      Off topic

      Nailah Franklin body found. News verified

    12. Susan on September 27th, 2007 12:39 pm

      Coming up on the 2 year, 4 month mark, it is highly impossible that the SAVAGES on the drug infested, poverty stricken, third world Dutch protectorate of Aruba are capable of learning anything!!



    13. Vicki on September 27th, 2007 12:54 pm

      These idiots are dumber than dumb…they just dont care. There is no law on SATANS ISLAND. The only good thing they have done for the place is not letting URINE back in…He looks like such a dork…look at the picture of him at C & C. Hes trying to fit in and dance but he just cant…he has no sense of fashion,just like his mama….I will BOYCOTT LIERUBA till HELL FREEZES OVER[thanks Susan #12]

    14. Asisi on September 27th, 2007 1:08 pm

      What little you know. Aruba is not third world-it has the highest standard of living in the Caribbean.

      Perhaps you should all stop watching Nancy Grace and Dr. Phil and work on your ignorance.

      And for the record, the US has similar policies in place-they do not issue work visas to foreigners if there are Americans perfectly capable of working the same exact job. That’s the way it works in most places people. Do your research.

      They probably had issues related to the type of visa issued to them. Nowhere in this world does a tourist visa allow you to work.

    15. dennisintn on September 27th, 2007 2:02 pm

      y’all have different work rules for tourists from venezuela than you do from the u.s.?

    16. sharon on September 27th, 2007 2:08 pm

      #4 asisi

      Perhaps you should stop listening to Aruban spin doctors and work on your ignorance.

      Ever heard of the Cayman Islands??

      Aruba — not 3rd Aruba — highest standard of living. lol

      Thanks — I needed the laugh today.

    17. JusticeforNatalee on September 27th, 2007 3:07 pm

      Please show up and speak up for Natalee!
      Where there’s a will, there’s a way.

    18. Arubaboy on September 27th, 2007 3:14 pm

      Why should Aruba give tourists visiting the Island a work permit???
      In most countries tourists are not getting a visa allowing them to work and this rule apply also for visitors to USA.
      #16: Calling Aruba all kind names.. savages, third world …Really, you need to educate yourself. Probably you don’t know anybody that has been to Aruba. The average salary in Aruba is about $1,500.00/month. People here are speaking 4 languages. You probably knows 1 language and I am sure most Arubans are more educated than you.

      SM: FYI – in the USA the average Aruban would be considered below poverty levels. Poverty level in the USA is currently at approximately $19,300 annually for a family of 4. Where I live you can barely rent a one bedroom apartment for $1500 per month not to mention food, clothing, utilities, etc. (klaasend)

    19. Vicki on September 27th, 2007 3:19 pm

      #14- what rock did you just crawl out from under.LIERUBA IS A 3rd WORLD HELLHOLE. Its filthy, you have to many stray dogs and you have freakin perverts at every corner. Get your head out of your rearend and pay attention to what is going on around you…There are criminals onthat VOLCANIC ASH that need to be put down or put away. Enough already…I really wish the creeping crud and the pox on whoever knows where Natalee is and isnt talking…

    20. Arubaboy on September 27th, 2007 3:59 pm

      SM: Deleting my post! I did not offend anybody. On this board people can bad talk Aruba as much as they want. As we defend ourselves we are stopped. Now I understand why there is little resistance on this forum against the Aruba bashers. Definitive I will not read or react anymore on this one-sided forum!
      I also hope you and your staff never ever put a foot in Aruba. Aruba doesn’t need people like you.
      You are no better than Iran!

      Don’t forget to delete this post.
      SM: Don’t be so quick to complain. I wasn’t deleting your post I was simply making a comment on it. (klaasend)

      SM: Its called an exchange of ideas … debate … Don’t be so thin skinned …

      Aruba doesn’t need people like us??? Just unsuspecting tourists do.

    21. JusticeforNatalee on September 27th, 2007 5:08 pm




    22. flippy on September 27th, 2007 5:18 pm

      Aruba does have the right to not allow tourist visa folks to work. Canada has the same policy, when I went there for a short consulting assignment I had to “buy” a work permit. It cost about $50 for the week I think.

      However, this was done during immigration, not in some sort of raid on the office. If Aruba Immigration let them into the country (and the setup folks told the truth during the interview) then this reflects poorly on Aruba even if they were legally right.

    23. brie on September 27th, 2007 5:58 pm

      #20…Arubaboy…(Joran’s little brother)..Te Aworo!
      If you want to defend Aruba I would suggest handing over Joran, he caused all of this. Joran could care less about anything but himself. But if your trying to follow your big brothers footsteps your in quicksand! Capable of speaking different languages was nothing to be proud ….as Natalee was in the car and Joran and Kalpoes were speaking Papiamento. That was nothing educational it was deceptive. They’re are many people involved that have contributed to the corruption and cover-up. But Joran, has brought your whole island down. He’s a pervert, sick and a spoiled snot! He got out of hand many years ago and no one did anything about it! Oh my, delicious sporter, I guess that’s Anita’s definition of a kidnapper, rapist, murderer.

    24. Patti on September 27th, 2007 6:09 pm

      Hey People:

      I find this rather interesting:

      I was looking for a holiday that takes place in
      June. The first site is from World Travel which
      publishes a list of “Public Holidays”. While the
      second is a list of all major holidays celebrated
      in Aruba. Ofcourse, these would not include the
      monthly festivals.

      Dia di San Juan is a pagan holiday celebrated as
      a final act of atoning one’s sins. Traditionally,
      they bury or burn a rooster which is symbolic to
      represent putting one’s enemies to rest.

      Dera Gai… they wish.


      Boycott Aruba!!!!

    25. brie on September 27th, 2007 6:13 pm

      The only thing we want is Natalee and Justice…and we don’t see anything coming from the people of Aruba, the gov’t or the Ale. If you want to defend your island I suggest you take a good look at why you feel the need to do so….it’s Joran!!!!! He began all the problems…and we have every right to be angry. Your there, we’re here! He’s your problem and no one does anything about it! But he has caused monumental issues for all of us!!!!!!

    26. LilPuma on September 27th, 2007 6:32 pm

      #20. Arubaboy says: I also hope you and your staff never ever put a foot in Aruba. Aruba doesn’t need people like you.

      I can’t speak for the staff of this website, but we’ll all remember the part about Aruba doesn’t need us because we don’t need people who support rapists, drugging women, murderers and corrupt police and government officials……..and then blame tourists.

    27. Patti on September 27th, 2007 6:52 pm


      Try this:

      The reason that I think this information is important is because, it appears that one of their National holidays that rank right up there with New Years and Christmas is not considered “public”.

      Remember all those cop cars at the rocks? Could it be that the celebration of the gods is also non-public and the police are hired to keep the on-lookers out? What is it that is so secretive that they don’t want us to see?

      Is it an old ancient Indian custom and would that explain why Natalee is wearing a loin cloth? How much do these people do in their spiritual festivals that would be considered a sin in other cultures?

      I have a feeling we are, finally, unlocking the door.

    28. 10061906 on September 27th, 2007 7:39 pm

      Just a few words.
      I mentioned that Beth should just put up a memorial to Natalee. I posted that 3 months after Natalee disappeared as I felt then that Natalee would never be found. I based this on the fact that the foxes were in charge of the hen house. I have not changed my opinion.
      Again; IMO I will state that there is no one alive today that knows what was done with Natalee’s body.
      IMO: Deepak’s and Satish’s involvement go as far as dropping Natalee, “the jack pot” and Joran off on the side dirt road near the Marriot. From that point Joran, Geoff, Guido, Koen, Sanders, Freddie, Michael, Andreas, “G” and probably Lorenzo know what was done to Natalee when she was alive. They know where she was taken. They know what they did for revenge against her. When Natalee fell she fell off the back of Geoff’s pickup and was seriously injured. They could not get help for her because her getting hurt was not part of the plan. The plan was to take her back near the Holiday and leave her on the beach to awaken and return home later in the day. Now with evidence of nonconsensual sex and body injury, getting help for Natalee was out of the question. They could not afford nor explain a forensic autopsy.
      Paulus picked up Joran and Natalee at around 4:00 AM from Santa Cruz and brought them back to his house. From there Jan van der Straaten was brought into the picture. Someone was paid that night to move Natalee. She was probably placed in an empty crypt in St. Ana Cemetery. Later; Rene was paid to go and get rid of Natalee’s body.
      I think this was all a “Game” that the pimps perpetrated at least 20 times before. But this was the first time sex and revenge was combined.
      So if I am correct about Rene, he was found dead on June 5, 2005. That was six days after Natalee disappeared. What those involved in the cover up do not know is if Rene told anyone else what he was paid to do and what he did with Natalee..
      I; as much as anyone else posting her wants justice and Natalee to be found.
      I mentioned I was going to give up at least six times on the promise I made and six times I was reminded by references to “The Wizard of Oz”. Now make that seven; it happened again.
      I feel that the Sea used for disposal is probably out of the question.
      Cremation is more logical if you consider what Rene’s occupation was.
      I believe that Rene had a conscious and went to confession at St Teresa in San Nicolas.
      Those involved in the coverup may have been afraid that the priest would not live up to his vows and was murdered also.
      All of the cover up and murders was to protect primarily the tourist industry and secondly all those that were involved.
      They all know a piece of the puzzle and with the exception of Paulus, Anita, Michael and Freddie have left the island. Why Deepak and Satish remain is because I do not believed they were part of anything except to drive Joran and Natalee. Forget about Satish running over Natalee with Deepak’s car. Remember it is so low that they would not go up to the lighthouse. Forget about sex in the back seat it is too small. Forget about sex on the hood, it is too low. A pick up truck with a mattress is perfect to rape a drugged tourist, everyone gets a turn and they return the victim to an area close the victim’s hotel.
      Unless there is a colossal breakthrough; where ever Natalee is; may she rest in peace.
      Without any clues; Aruba is basically a vast wasteland that a body could disappear forever. This was the url I was trying to set as an example for the gold mines.
      Rene, Pitbull, Fr Montoya (forget robbery as a motive) and R W Bensen, did not have to be murdered and discovered. They could have just disappeared. Their murders were a message……

    29. Patti on September 27th, 2007 8:12 pm


      Earlier you said that they were messages to anyone who knew the truth… the message being that they’d better keep their mouths shut. Perhaps that’s true, but I believe the death of Pitbull had nothing to do with this case, directly, but was disclosed in the papers as a suicide to show us the extent of power the government has in protecting their own. Pitbull wasn’t a suicide. He was a victim of cannibalism with every single organ of his body cut out and eaten. That, in my opinion, is the reason for calling his death a suicide… to cover up the manner by which many people die in Aruba.

      Wasn’t there a time that Paulus was questioned about burying something in the back yard and he said that it was a chicken? What was the date of that interview? Was it anytime around the end of June, say June 24? I think it may have been the same time that the younger Van der Sloot laughed and made reference to what happened in the bathtub.

    30. Patti on September 27th, 2007 8:42 pm


      I agree with you –

      Shango calls them Hindus.

      What do Hindus do?

      They hold all life sacred,

      even that of the animals.

    31. Maggie on September 27th, 2007 9:15 pm

      It’s always about money to them.. Natalee was just $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to them. They took her money and her life and then repeatedly slandered her.

    32. Allan K on September 27th, 2007 10:57 pm

      PS Bring Natalee home , to hell with Aruba.

    33. Carpe Noctem on September 27th, 2007 11:33 pm

      Paulus knows where Natalee is.

      …and even if not, I think I would

      just want to beat him and that disgusting

      AIDS Virus of a son of his {{edit – that’s going a bit too far}}

      I believe in the corporate

      world that’s what is

      referred to as a


      -Justice for Nat!


    34. Patti on September 28th, 2007 1:50 am

      It is said that these holidays, pertaining to the atonement of sin are held on days, based on the Arawak calander and the phases of the planets. The position of the moon is, generally, the main factor. Based upon this information, I would guess that in the year 2005, the day of atonement was held on June 7 (the New Moon) while the final phase of atonement, the Dia di San Juan, was held on June 22nd (the Full Moon).

      If that’s true, the clean up crew were at the rocks on the morning of June 8, which is what we are seeing on the Chicago Videos.

      It was during this time that Joran was threatening to kill himself and supposedly had made a confession. Joran knew what would come of Natalee. He had seen it done countless times before, giving credence to the notion that Natalee’s abduction and being held in a cage until the day of atonement was premeditated, planned and executed with crooked and heinous conviction.


      Justice for Natalee

    35. Betty on September 28th, 2007 2:05 am

      The gold mine in the photo looks like some one or some thing destroyed did not look like that when I was there three years ago.

    36. Richard on September 28th, 2007 11:19 am

      Sorry for my duplicate post up above.

      ArubaBoy says that Aruba “doesn’t need people like (us).” Funny that the merchants and others who profiteer off tourists were whining nonstop just because they weren’t GETTING “people like us”; i.e., because the boycott Aruba movement was working.

      And still is.

      Don’t worry, ArubaBoy, your little death hole of an island won’t be seeing me at any time, unless I am kidnapped and brought there. (Which I don’t think is likely.)

      Meanwhile, I’ll do my best to persuade everyone else to reciprocate in kind. You say Aruba doesn’t need us; I damn well know that we don’t need Aruba.

      In fact, the less of it there is, the better.

      “No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba.”

    37. Mr. Aquilia on September 28th, 2007 11:45 am

      Yes Aruba is a HELLHOLE and always has been. I wonder why anyone would have ever wanted to go there even 5 years ago?

    38. Susan on September 28th, 2007 12:54 pm

      You are welcome, Vicki :-)

      Carpe, That’s an excellent idea :-) {{edit – that’s going a bit too far}}

      BOYCOTT ARUBA (the poverty stricken, drug infested, third world isle) AND HOLLAND TIL HELL FREEZES OVER!!


    39. Vicki on September 28th, 2007 1:14 pm

      Patti, honey, I dont mean any disrespect, but where do you see a loin cloth on Natalee? can you provide a picture or a link? and they ate PITBULL????where does that come into play…m goodness it wasnt enough that he was crusifird, hands cut off, set on fire…they ate him also????

    40. Vicki on September 28th, 2007 1:17 pm

      Just a little humur to #39- is that why PITBULL didnt have the GUTS to tell the truth???

    41. 10061906 on September 28th, 2007 2:45 pm

      VICKI: 40: No not really; based on an exhaustive investigation by Dennis; lead narcotics agent; better known as “Mr.Frosted Flakes-how much money do you have-go have a beer-watch your drink” Jacobs; he declared “Pitbull” was the worst case of suicide the ALE ever saw. And that’s the truth. Jacobs reasoned that “Pitbull” just could not pull himself together nor had a leg to stand on. RIP “Pitbull”.
      What a bunch of pathetic a$$holes in charge of that island. Wait till the travel shows….

    42. brie on September 28th, 2007 2:46 pm

      Vicki….just read some information on Joran, it said his favorite porno site is Bangbus, also there is a picture of Freddy, stating that he is long time friend and neighbor of Joran, in that article it mentions that he has connections in Florida. Levy has a porno business in Miami, Florida. I wonder it that is who he is connected with. You had made mention of Natalee, Paulus and Fla. Just thought I’d bring that to our attention. They’re really could be something to that.

    43. 10061906 on September 28th, 2007 2:47 pm

      Vicki 39
      Nice play on words “CRUCIFRIED”

    44. Vicki on September 28th, 2007 3:21 pm

      thank you 1906…I was wondering if anyone would pick up on that….and #42- brie…along time go, I had a feeling that Natalee was in Florida being held captive…not harmed but held against her will. I even said so here on the FP….It just needs to end…

    45. Patti on September 28th, 2007 3:35 pm


      Do some research for yourself:

      Pitbull didn’t know the truth about anything, did he? We have no proof that what was done to him was nothing more than, merely, torture? I don’t remember anyone named Pitbull being involved in this case, do you? How many of those wounds would have been fatal? Remember you only have to die once.

      Pitbull was found tied down in a cave with both arms and legs cut off. In addition to that he had multiple stab wounds to his abdomnan which I believe were cuts made to remove organs, and finally, in the traditional Indian style, his head was cut off. Leaving what? Merely a carcass. His arms were not there, nor were his legs; neither were any of his organs… so where did they go? Finally, he was burnt, much like the rooster that gets burnt in celebration of Dia di San Juan in FINAL atonement of ones sins.

      There ARE other religions besides Christian. Some, like this one, dating back as far back as before Christ. It is a proven fact; as historical records have shown, that there are Indians residing in the Caribbean that still practice these rituals for their gods on a monthly basis in atonement for their sins.

      I have no proof that this is what happened to Natalee, but I don’t put it passed them. If you look at the body in the bush, you will see that Natalee had her heart cut out as an offering to the gods, an arm cut off, as well as an organ cut out near her waist. This, in my opinion, was done by a priest who is allowed to eat of the sacrifice to his satisfaction and anything left over goes back to the donor… in this case the Van der Sloots.

      The Chicago videos were filmed the day after the sacrifice, where the bodies are bagged up, thrown in the basin to keep cool and the clean-up crew paint the rocks in preparation for the next festival. I beleive the reason that the furniture truck was photographed was because it is the means by which the bodies are returned to their owners.

      Someone, and I like to call them the “Birds” took the time and placed their lives in danger to leave Nat’s family a trail. All we have to do is follow it.

      Mayan said that she was the first to notice
      the body in the bush, and I believe her.

      Natalee can be seen at the photo

      evaluation thread in the forum.

      If you have a hard time seeing it
      ask Klaas to e-mail you the photo
      in which I did an outline of her

      Meanwhile, do some research on their culture so
      the thought of cannibalism is not so foreign to

      God Bless You…


    46. Patti on September 28th, 2007 3:57 pm


      When you view the photo,

      ask yourself this:

      For whose benefit would she

      be wearing a loin cloth?

    47. 10061906 on September 28th, 2007 5:47 pm

      I really don’t hold any faith in these two theories:
      One: Natalee was taken as a sex slave.
      No one has disappeared off Aruba before or after Natalee.

      Two: Natalee was sacrificed to the gods for some ritual.
      No female has been sacrificed before or after Natalee disappeared.

      My theory basically: a bunch of high on testosterone punks playing a sophisticated game of filming hump the last night on the island female tourist.
      A steady supply of females traveling to Aruba insures plenty of opportunities for the “pimps” to ply their name and their game.
      (Money may even have been exchanged for the films)
      Females have reported rapes before Natalee had disappeared and since five of all the pimps have left the island; it is now quiet.
      Let’s face it these guys didn’t have much of a future on Aruba. I would think with the exception of Cherchez la femme; life on Aruba to the pimps is/was mediocre at best. “While literally this translates to “find the woman”, it refers to the underlying (and yes, sexist) assumption that behind every problem, there is a woman who caused it.” (Misogamist)
      And while all the suspects deny knowing one another; we can prove that to be a lie among other lies. (Life at the Racquet Club) And yes I believe that some of the senior males took part; if not in the action but then as spectators.
      I believe these escapades were/are a source of embarrassment to the AHATA. The fact that so much dirt has surfaced; a plan to railroad any evidence which would reveal a sex scandal had to be implemented. The fact that a young female tourist may have died as a result of this game had to be silenced. That is why I feel that Judy is so important to this case along with the girls photographed with Geoff, Andreas and Michael Dompig. The fact that Geoff had access to video equipment puts him at the head of this group. His father’s business permitted him access to all types of video equipment. And yes it might have even been Geoff out of jealousy; that released the casino tape cementing a visual contact between Joran and Natalee. Why did Joran almost confess. Again not good for Tourism.
      He and the Kalpoes had to be brainwashed. The other suspects’ declarations have never been made public. In this case I mean; Keon, Geoff, Guido, Lorenzo, and Papa Sloot’s and Jan Van Der Straaten’s timeline have never been established. Natalee was the prize. Natalee was observed in her room after she moved on the second day of her trip. Natalee was the one approached by Geoff. Natalee was the one approached by Joran. Natalee was the one approached by “G”. A last minute kidnapping and the prize was taken to be shared.

    48. Patti on September 28th, 2007 6:45 pm


      How do you know that no other women or children were sacrificed to the gods after Natalee? We talk all the time about the countless people that are shipped to Aruba from Venezuella and Columbia that seem to go missing. Perhaps your statement should be that no Amercian has been sacrificed since Natalee. The other faces at the rocks on that day don’t appear to be American, do they? Couldn’t we concur that it is a rarity for Americans to be targetted for these rituals?

      Look at the girls that go missing from the Soviet Block: They are told that they will be given good jobs making good money, some of them promiced the American dream; but where do they end up… never to be heard from again. The fact that there are countless (over 800,000) of these people who disappear into thin air, should tell us something; and, yes, most of them are women and children.

      Knowing what we do of these “festival” sacrifices, the reason that Natalee was the one that was approached several times was because she was a virgin, not that they don’t sacrifice virgin boys, as well.

      There’s an eroor in the post that I made last night. On the calendar it says that the 7the was the night of the new moon, whereas the almanac says that it was the 6th. I’m inclined to believe the Almanac which would put the date of the videos on the 7th and the Dia de San Juan on the 21t.

      I believe that Natalee was kept in that cage for seven days and am horrified of the things that were said and did to her. She was a Christian with absolutely no understanding of why she was there or what was going to happen to her. Perhaps the Sloots did transfer her to another house, maybe Lorenzo’s, who’s to tell; but the important thing is that this Nation sacrificed Natalee in an attempt to rob her of her power, her strength and her virtue.

      I doubt that they succeeded.

      They are tired of hearing her name, but they shall continue to hear her name until there is justice for her and for all the men, women and children that have suffered beside her. The freedom of religion can only be given so much scope… when it comes to taking the lives of others, it is no longer religion that you are practicing but, rather, cold-blooded murder.


      Justice for Natalee

    49. Patti on September 28th, 2007 7:07 pm

      One more point:

      Again, I don’t understand why the AHATA would be embarrassed by a rape and murder of a tourist on her last night on the island? It happens all the time. Check your newspapers. Check the tourist information that is given to you at every single destination you go to. It’s a common problem and one that every holiday destination has to deal with. And, yes, they are usually gang rapes.

      But, in my opinion, this was not a gang rape; it was something much bigger and much more shameful than that…

      The police, including Jan the “Man”, had seven days to stop this. The prime minister, who is Arawak himself, could have stopped it. The Croes, Indians, who had their hands dirty in her kidnapping, could have stopped it… but they ALL chose not to… why?

    50. 10061906 on September 28th, 2007 8:11 pm

      patti: all good questions.
      Let me rephrase the sentence.
      None being none that we (I) know of or have read in the news.
      The other gang rapes you mentioned did not include the death of the rape victim.
      It’s sad that we do not have the right answers.
      I’m sure we would have heard something.
      Even Jossy can’t keep his mouth shut.
      The “other faces” on the rocks.
      Of course there are no Americans; you are talking about the ALE and VCB.
      Look how fast the news travelled from Brazil when the American girl went missing and they called in the FBI.
      If Natalee was choosen because she was a virgin do you mean that the other girls who were her roomates that were exposed to the same cameras but not advances, are not virgins? Or the other girls on the trip were not virgins. That is the implication that can be derived by your statement.
      “Knowing what we do of these “festival” sacrifices, the reason that Natalee was the one that was approached several times was because she was a virgin, not that they don’t sacrifice virgin boys, as well.”
      There were also other blue eyed blonds females on the trip. How do you/we differentiate?
      Can you provide a link so we can get a better insight to these rituals?

    51. brie on September 28th, 2007 8:55 pm

      Natalee was in the hands of Joran and that immediately spells trouble…she got into the car and the porno tape went on….probably scared her to death, resiting Joran in the back seat, trying to get out of car, it was suppose to be a ride to the Holiday Inn.

    52. brie on September 28th, 2007 9:07 pm

      Straaten did his damage…and the Dutch need to hold him responsible…the sweaty looking lying asshole . Piece of crap…he covered for Paulus and Joran…Let it be known, he did the cover-up ! Arrest him and serve justice, he’s a pig and misused his power!!!! Hello Queen!!!

    53. Patti on September 28th, 2007 9:15 pm


      I hate to be the one to break the news to you, but, many girls don’t have the innocence that Natalee had at 18. I’m not saying there weren’t any other virgins on the trip, but Natalee was the one that was tested, atleast, one time that we know of. Maybe she even told them to leave her alone because she was a virgin. Most women her age wear their virginity like a crown. They’re proud of it; and there’s nothing wrong with that… it speaks to your convictions to do what they think is right. And it’s for that reason that they are sought after.

      Don’t you think it’s odd that Anita poses for the camera in front of a yard full of children, like she is the latest candidate for the “Save the Children” executive board, when in reality she was the one that cared for Natalee during that week, only to have her be crucified? {picture of Joran being reunited with his family after his stay in jail the first time}

      I’m a visual person; and, that picture, above all, makes my skin curl. She is no humanitarian. She is a robber, a thief. Anyone that would put a child in a cage and take away their dignity is a monster in my book.


      Boycott Aruba!!!!

    54. Maggie on September 28th, 2007 9:33 pm

      Oh lord, Natalee in a cage for 7 days?

    55. Patti on September 28th, 2007 10:23 pm


      Here’s an exerpt from the following article:

      So why did European attitudes toward the Indian, initially so favorable, subsequently change? Kirkpatrick Sale, Stephen Greenblatt, and others offer no explanation for the altered European perception. But the reason given by the explorers themselves is that Columbus and those who followed him came into sudden, unexpected, and gruesome contact with the customary practices of some other Indian tribes. While the first Indians that Columbus encountered were hospitable and friendly, other tribes enjoyed fully justified reputations for brutality and inhumanity. On his second voyage Columbus was horrified to discover that a number of the sailors he left behind had been killed and possibly eaten by the cannibalistic Arawaks.

      Similarly, when Bernal Diaz arrived in Mexico with the swashbuckling army of Hernan Cortes, he and his fellow Spaniards were not shocked to witness slavery, the subjection of women, or brutal treatment of war captives; these were familiar enough practices among the conquistadors. But they were appalled at the magnitude of cannibalism and human sacrifice. As Diaz describes it, in an account generally corroborated by modern scholars:

      They strike open the wretched Indian’s chest with flint knives and hastily tear out the palpitating heart which, with the blood, they present to the idols in whose name they have performed the sacrifice. Then they cut off the arms, thighs, and head, eating the arms and thighs at their ceremonial banquets. The head they hang up on a beam, and the body of the sacrificed man is not eaten but given to the beasts of prey.
      When Cortes captured the Aztec emperor Montezuma and his attendants, he would only permit them temporary release on the promise that they stop their traditional practices of cannibalism and human sacrifice, but he found that “as soon as we turned our heads they would resume their old cruelties.” Aztec cannibalism, writes anthropologist Marvin Harris, “was not a perfunctory tasting of ceremonial tidbits.” Indeed the Aztecs on a regular basis consumed human flesh in a stew with peppers and tomatoes, and children were regarded as a particular delicacy. Cannibalism was prevalent among the Aztecs, Guarani, Iroquois, Caribs, and several other tribes.
      Moreover, the Aztecs of Mexico and the Incas of South America performed elaborate rites of human sacrifice, in which thousands of captive Indians were ritually murdered, until their altars were drenched in blood, bones were strewn everywhere, and priests collapsed with exhaustion from stabbing their victims. The law of the Incas provided for punishment of parents and others who displayed grief during human sacrifices. When men of noble birth died, wives and concubines were often strangled and buried with them.

    56. brie on September 28th, 2007 10:25 pm

      Something happened in the car…why would Deepak find it necessary to clean it out…Natalee wanted to escape,scratches on your face Joran…what does that say !!!

    57. yoyo muffintop on September 28th, 2007 11:10 pm

      Patti – Is eating a mermaid considered cannibalism?

      Just curious.

    58. yoyo muffintop on September 29th, 2007 12:28 am

      #56 – Ummmm, I don’t know….’cause he thought it was dirty?
      And aren’t the supposed scratches just rumor like so much of the rest in this mystery?
      I don’t believe I have seen a credible source for those scratches – have you?

    59. Patti on September 29th, 2007 1:48 am

      #57 – Above:


      Is eating a mermaid considered cannibalism?



      Well… I suppose it could be half and half.

      Half Carivore and half Cannibal.

      Why have you eaten one. lately?


      What’s wrong Yo Yo? I thought you of all people
      would be receptive of different cultures and the
      problems that they can cause.

      You still haven’t given us your consenses on what you think happened to Natalee and, frankly, I’m
      afraid to ask.

      But, Please… Enlighten me.

    60. Patti on September 29th, 2007 2:11 am


      There were reports of Joran having scratches to
      his face. The problem is that by the time they
      dragged his ass to jail, they were all gone and
      any witness reports that were filed concerning
      these scratches have disappeared.

      There was also an incident of him having a black
      eye but I think that was something that he got in

      Don’t let Yo Yo get to you…

      she’s just tasty…

      I mean, testy.


    61. brie on September 29th, 2007 8:23 am

      Hopefully the end of all this is coming soon!

    62. Vicki on September 29th, 2007 9:41 am

      well, Patti, thats about all I can say….

    63. Richard on September 29th, 2007 10:01 am

      1906 … Are you arguing, as did Jossy Mansur, that no tourists go missing from Aruba because he hadn’t heard of such a case before?

      That would be like saying that nobody gets drugged, raped, injured or simply disappears from a cruise ship because the cruise lines don’t put that info in their ads.

      Certainly there doesn’t seem to be an epidemic of cases … but my argument has been that given a certain kind of situation and a certain interpersonal chemistry in the right (well, the “wrong” group), this might have come about.

      Especially with a group called the “Pimps.”

      Oh, right, that name doesn’t really mean anything, just teen fun and games ….

    64. disgustedmom on September 29th, 2007 10:12 am

      1006 in reference to Natalee being a virgin….

      A long time back, in the beginning of this ordeal, it was said on a board that has -of course-since crashed with all postings lost, that Natalee was head of an Abstinence Before Marriage movement of sorts at her High School. I don’t know if ‘movement’ is the right word, but it was a thing going on as I read it. I do not know if that was true, or rumor.

      Some posters were suggesting that because having sex during high school teen years was so prevalant, they/some took Natalee’s stance on Abstinence as a slur against them as if to say THEY were doing something wrong and being looked down upon. I don’t know if that’s true or rumor either, I’m just saying what I read.

      Further, it was suggested by some that ‘someone’ thought it would be funny to have Natalee lose her virginity before marriage while on her trip to Aruba, and she was thus set up with Joran for that reason. Again, not saying it’s true or even possibly true, just passing on what I read early on in this case. Of course, if there was any truth to this, I’m sure no one expected anything to go wrong.

      At any rate, if Natalee was involved in a group pushing abstinence, that would surely make it known that she was definitely a virgin as opposed to guessing about any other girls who might also have been virgins.

      One thing people don’t think of is that MB had graduating classes going to Aruba for years. Why isn’t possible that some from previous years had met Joran or GVC or Deepak or any of the pimps (or someone else) and stayed in touch with them? So many teen boys have the same pimp attitude that Joran and his pimps display, so why is it not possibly Joran or one of the pimps made a friend or two from MB during previous years trips?

      If I were a detective in this case I’d be finding out who this person from the USA was that Deepak was IMing the night Natalee went missing, trace that person back to find out if he/she had any layered connection to Natalee, such as a jilted boyfriend, Or some girl even? (And I have my wonders about one particular girl who was on the trip possibly ending up within such a trackback.)

      Patti says, in #53, “Most women her age wear their virginity like a crown.”…Actually, no, they don’t! Most keep it quiet because it goes against the common thread of today’s teens. However, if Natalee was involved in that alleged Abstinence thing, SHE would be wearing it like a crown! So Patti…all I have to say to you is what I have thought about your interest in this case all along….Hmmmmm.

    65. Patti on September 29th, 2007 11:36 am

      I suppose that my point is this:

      We have been practicing Christianity for over 2000 years. If someone told us that we couldn’t worship our God, we would do it anyway. Just as the Aztec’s did, in spite of their promises that upon their release from captivity they wouldn’t.


      Quote from above:

      When Cortes captured the Aztec emperor Montezuma and his attendants, he would only permit them temporary release on the promise that they stop their traditional practices of cannibalism and human sacrifice, but he found that “as soon as we turned our heads they would resume their old cruelties”


      The history of first finding the Arawak, which is the Nation that inhabits Aruba, as well as other parts of the Caribbean, Central and South America, the Arawaks swam out to sea to meet Columbus’ ships. They presented themselves as being friendly.


      Quote from above:

      While the first Indians that Columbus encountered were hospitable and friendly, other tribes enjoyed fully justified reputations for brutality and inhumanity. On his second voyage Columbus was horrified to discover that a number of the sailors he left behind had been killed and possibly eaten by the cannibalistic Arawaks.


      There are still head hunters in South American, just as there are still Arawaks in Aruba and elsewhere. The things that they do are brutal and heinous and, truly, have no place in our “civilized” world. But they do exist as do their customs, their rituals and their form of worship which is nearly as old as Christianity, itself.

      In spite of their right to worship, their actions are both brutal and inhumane and as such they should pay their debt to society.


      Justice for Natalee

    66. Patti on September 29th, 2007 11:44 am


      Part of what we do here is try to peak one’s interest in this case, educate them about Aruba and ask that they support the boycott against the Nation that kill our young and deny them justice. Unlike you, I would hope that more people would take an interest in this case.



      Boycott Aruba!

    67. disgustedmom on September 29th, 2007 12:35 pm

      Patti, what ever makes you assume I wouldn’t want as many people as possible to take an interest in this case?

      OK, but speaking of ‘taking an interest in this case’ does anyone know if Aruban Television kept Natalee Being Missing in THEIR news A LOT in the early days? Did they keep her face shown on THEIR news channels asking if anyone had seen her?

      As I understood it, they didn’t get FOX down there in Aruba. Is that right?

      I realize Jossy’s paper stayed up with the case, but that’s not the same thing as showing it on TV news every night. And what about local radio? Did they aggressively keep this missing tourist in the public ear?

    68. disgustedmom on September 29th, 2007 12:48 pm

      #63, Richard….one of Joran’s favorite internet sites was ‘bangbus’….bangbus involves the game of luring females away, filming lude behaviors with them, then dumping them somewhere to find their own way home. Sound familiar?

      Bangbus actively recruits new pimp groups to contribute to their site and tell their ‘success’ stories in detail. And I’m not saying I think Joran and His Pimp Crowd were part of bangbus, but it is possible the tactic was used. I mean, if he read about it on line -which he obviously did, he might think that was a fun idea THIS 21st TIME to leave the victim in the middle of nowhere to find her way home.

    69. disgustedmom on September 29th, 2007 1:18 pm

      From #59 Patti….”Quote:

      Is eating a mermaid considered cannibalism?



      Well… I suppose it could be half and half.

      Half Carivore and half Cannibal. ”


      No dear, a cannibal is a carnivor. Half and half would be Surf and Turf. :(

    70. Patti on September 29th, 2007 1:49 pm

      Post #67 – Quote:

      Patti, what ever makes you assume I wouldn’t want as many people as possible to take an interest in this case?



      Gee… Let’s see:

      My own personal experience is that you came after me like a crazed person, accusing me of being Joran. Dissecting my words to mean something evil and twisted and in non support of the Family and this Boycott. That one didn’t get you very far.

      Then, you call Tim Miller a pawn, going even further by saying that pawns rarely put kings in checkmate.

      Then, when the news comes out that Luis is arrested you dig up some old liable case that was dismissed to try to discredit Jossy, painting him as a criminal.

      And then, there’s this: The MB kids were behind the whole thing! As if, for a joke, they had Natalee raped. Now THAT, truly, sounds like something Joran would say.

      If anything YOU are the one that is trying to shift the blame of what happened to Natalee onto someone else. In post #68, you are trying to say that the crime against her was JUST a rape. That he let her go to find her way home and must have gotten lost… poor #21.

      You are, not much more, than a rumor mill. And, now Bangbus… there is no proof of Joran, Paulus or Anita playing Bangbus… but there is proof that they were involved with the kidnap and murder of Natalee.

      In my opinion, you are a troll that does little more than muddy the water with your “dirt” that you throw in the face of Natalee and her friends and a bad wisher for everything the family is doing to try to find her.

      Pawn… indeed.

      Go back to the dark side, they love your type.

    71. Patti on September 29th, 2007 5:50 pm

      Dia di San Juan was celebrated on June 24, 2005:


      Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:57 pm

      The waters are low. The street are full.

      The night of Saint John.

      The fires will burn all around on the island.

      The smoke will clear tomorrow morning.

      Dia di San Juan is an annual celebration.

      I’m sure that I remember hearing about a monthly
      celebration, where there were fires, smoke, drums
      and atonement of sins. In fact, I remember
      reading someone mentioning that traffic was crazy as everyone was heading to the rocks…

      Does that sound familiar to anyone?

    72. Maggie on September 29th, 2007 5:53 pm

      Richard, not really, because even if the cruise ships didn’t put out the info, the parents would be on the air as much as possible making the public aware of it. There has been no other parents out on the air claiming their daughter was sold while a tourist in Aruba. These 3 still have conflicting stories which means they are hiding the truth.. and I really don’t believe if anyone was really going to take Natalee into sex slavery, they would involved this group of low lifes. Too much chance of one of them talking, they would already be in a bullseye by now.

      Joran in every story brags about sexual stuff with Natalee, of course he says it was consensual. Where’s Natalee to refute it? They know she can’t. He claims she wasn’t drunk. His sentence that as they were leaving Carlos n Charlies, he ordered what he drinks for her, Rum151 straight, says alot. He took her to the side as they were all leaving, so noone would notice from her group in all the confusion. They’ve bragged about doing this 20 times before and that they have all been in a hotel room at the same time having sex with girls.. I also feel there’s a great possibility they taped these things and sold them for others to watch. Basic rule of thumb, 3 guys go out with 1 girl in the car and the only one who don’t come back is the girl. spells something bad happened. Not one person has come forward to see Natalee since she was in the car with them. Nothing about their beach story checks out. I think what a dufus everytime I remember Joran saying his intention was to have sex with Natalee, and then says he told her, we can go up toward the hotel, lots of people up there. No logic to anything they say, because it didn’t happen. This is the story that Paulus, Joran, Deepak and Satish were making up while they were getting together during the time the security guards were being set up and arrested. I believe Joran was stalking them for days watching in the casino and possibly Carlos n Charlies when they were there before, just waiting to make his move.

      And nooooooo I don’t believe Natalee was ever alive for days or in a cage. All the evidence all together is overwhelming pointing right at Paulus, Joran , Deepak and Satish. I also believe Freddy knows what happened.

    73. Patti on September 30th, 2007 12:58 am


      I think the girls that are sold are purchased by Aruba, not the other way around. Remember, we talked about the fake visa’s for girls coming to Aruba from various countries in South America. And there is proof that Paulus was involved in issuing these “work” visas. I believe there is trafficking going on in Aruba but for something more sinister than simply sex for hire.

      To not believe that Joran and Natalee was on the beach, is not only discounting the statements made by the Kalpoes, but also discounting the testimony of witnesses that said that they saw a girl’s body being put into the back of a white pick-up. Is it only coincidental that a white pick-up was also spotted at the Fisherman’s Huts the night that a cage was stolen?

      But, more important than that: What are Paulus and Charles Croes doing there between 3:30 and 4am after receiving a phone call and researching the internet about drug overdoses? There have been traces made of their phone conversations and there is no doubt that the two of them were at the beach in the area of the Marriott.

      The Kalpoes were doing what? Cleaning their car… why? Because, in their line of thinking, a girl who is suffering an overdose is taken to the hospital, which results in police reports and investigations. Deepak wanted to make sure his car didn’t have any thing in it that he could get in trouble for.

      But that wasn’t what happened, no one was taken to the hospital. Instead, Paulus goes on the internet looking up drug reaction and then to the beach along with Charles Croes with an antedote to revive Natalee… From then on it was business as usual. The abduction of a virgin to be offered to the gods was complete.

      What I’m trying to do is find out when this festival took place. We know that the Chicago Videos were downloaded onto the internet on June 14, so Natalee had to have been murdered sometime before that. She was not killed during the Dia di San Juan, although I am thinking that, perhaps that was when Paulus buried her, according to tradition.

      I think this festival would be done on the darkest day of the month which would be on the day of the New Moon… June 6th or 7th. And to think that someone could not be held in a cage for seven days is unrealistic. Some people are held in cages, torture chambers, tunnels, concealed basements, etc. or years.

      Shango was a man that lived in Aruba. It is believed that he was a motorcycle mechanic that repaired police units. He was killed because of his writings pertaining to Natalee and the Arawak Nation. In his writings, Natalee is referred to as the Sloot Lamb. His writings are written in a prophetic way, perhaps out of fear of being detected. His posts can be found in the forum and also here:
      SM: Shango did not post from Aruba, Shango posted from the USA. Simian posted from Aruba. I don’t think anyone I know of believes that Shango was Benson the motorcycle mechanic that locked himself in a storage area and died, most likely from a heart attack. (klaasend)

    74. Patti on September 30th, 2007 1:36 am

      Excerpt from Above:

      Shango has not danced with the lions, nor Arawaks,and does not keep their company

      Eyes of god may look from afar with great acuity.

      The resolution to find Mary lies with the Arawak Nation

      Dirty Hand has bound the Arawak Nation with Babylonian Rope

      The Lamb and the two Shivas whisper in the dark,

      while the lions pace silently in the bush.

      Dirty Hand is the link!

      The lamb, the shivas, the elder whispering, exiting like theives in the night, clothed with invisible armor

      If Dirty Hand falls, so does Babylon, but too, the Arawak Nation shall suffer.

      Threadsurfers listen!

      The lamb shall run anew in virgin fields, cropping sweet grass which should remain untouched.

      The Lamb has sins, but the lions have sharper teeth.

      A new key must be found to open unknown doors.

      The first concern of the Arawak nation is wampum.
      (Note: Wampum means Food)

      But unseen tides pull babylonian seas through Arawak Moats, bittering the waters.

      DirtyHand and the Lions must see the light of Arawak Day, or forever walk in plentiful fields.

      The dead shall eternally sleep if a clamour is not made.

      Lamb and the Elder are stepping stones into the fetid pool of deception.

      The rule of the Arawak King is the Final word.

      DirtyHand has fouled the air for all nearby, but the Arawak Nation will claim Babylonian Authority prevents them from hunting Lions, and DirtyHand.

      But the Arawak king controls destiny of all. The Arawak king has DirtyHands and DirtyFeet. If he is to reign anew, he cannot be soiled more.

      The babylonians have ruled the Arawak Nation through deception and stealth, and their charges, the Arawaks, speak now with the same forked tongue, on behalf of their king.

      The gift the cowboys ask of the king of the Arawak Nation is a mere trifle.

      All ye who sing in the cyber-chorus lower your voices not!

      It has been proven that the lamb, the shivas, and the elders are not the breach in Arawak Armour!

      Let us hunt Lions, The King, and Dirty Hand.

      The lions pace silently in the bush, while the king seeks pleasures with his concubines.

      Threadsurfers! What is sought is not hidden.

      The Lamb and the elder are not the keystone in the Arch of Corruption.

      Seek ye DirtyHand and the Fetid Arawak King who wishes to blame the babylonians for the behaviour of lowly minions.

      If the head of the beast is in plain view it is folly to attack protected flanks.

      Threadsurfers, DirtyHand is more vulnerable than the Arawak King and your lances should point in his direction.

      He is the weak link, if he tumbles, all fall with him….. The lamb, the shivas, the elder

      Shango looks from afar but speaks with truth. He does not converse with the Simian, or any other worldly sources, and attempts to bring direction to speculation

      I must feed the messengers

      The gods are talking

    75. JusticeforNatalee on September 30th, 2007 7:57 am

      Seems that Greta and Beth are in Aruba!

      From Gretawire:

      “I am in Aruba…not on vacation (this would not be top of my list for vacation..and 28 hours away with ten of them means only 18 on the ground…and then of course subtract some time for sleep and you can see why this is not a holiday but work.) I am here with Beth Holloway…we are looking around and doing an interview in contemplation of her book launch this week. The book comes out Tuesday. Aruba did not exactly make our entry into this country easy – in fact, once I am out of here I will explain in detail. I am also blogging from a blackberry which makes it even harder to blog in any detail. By the way, for those of you who have followed the Natalie Holloway story…we did stop in at Carlos and Charlies late last night. More to come…

    76. disgustedmom on September 30th, 2007 8:56 am

      #70, Patti, you are a great twister of words.

    77. disgustedmom on September 30th, 2007 9:11 am

      From #73…”But, more important than that: What are Paulus and Charles Croes doing there between 3:30 and 4am after receiving a phone call and researching the internet about drug overdoses? There have been traces made of their phone conversations and there is no doubt that the two of them were at the beach in the area of the Marriott.”

      Is this true, Patti?

    78. disgustedmom on September 30th, 2007 9:21 am

      From #53….”Don’t you think it’s odd that Anita poses for the camera in front of a yard full of children, like she is the latest candidate for the “Save the Children” executive board, when in reality she was the one that cared for Natalee during that week, only to have her be crucified? {picture of Joran being reunited with his family after his stay in jail the first time}

      I’m a visual person; and, that picture, above all, makes my skin curl. She is no humanitarian. She is a robber, a thief. Anyone that would put a child in a cage and take away their dignity is a monster in my book.”

      Is this true, Patti? That Anita cared for Natalee for a week? Keeping Natalee in a cage? Only to have Natalee crucified after a week in that cage?

    79. Vicki on September 30th, 2007 9:57 am

      Patti, what an imagination you have,Im not saying you are wrong, but holy cow girl…..dont attack other posters that are not trolls….we all can state our thoughts without being mean to each other…wait for the real trolls….

    80. Richard on September 30th, 2007 10:32 am

      Maggie, I do volunteer work with a group called International Cruise Victims. Believe me, the public is NOT aware of the number of people who are assaulted, drugged, raped on board ship.

      The families of the victims have had nobody to push their cause. The media have NOT given these issues much attention, other than in certain cases. And the cruise lines have abundant money and power to get their publicity out.

      You say that “these 3 have conflicting stories, which means that they are hiding the truth.” We all agree on that, at least.

      My contention is that elements of the Aruban government have been complicit in the cover-up since day one. Perhaps some people don’t believe that there is a cover-up, merely inept and sluggish police action. I would disagree.

      The question then becomes, what reason could there be to protect a few punk kids and a failed wannabe judge? We know that even before Natalee arrived on Aruba, PvdScum was told that he would not get the judicial position he was seeking.

      In other words, what makes these people (the Kalpoes weren’t even from Aruba or Holland) worthy (if that’s the word) of official protection? How can it be said that PvdS was such a powerful figure, even though he didn’t get the job he wanted?

      Seems to me that something bigger is involved.
      And as I’ve said before, we can be certain that letting Americans, and the world, know that an American girl had been drugged, kidnapped, raped … and then, in an act of conscious sadism or purely to get her out of the way (and perhaps to subject her to more torment yet), handing her over to a porn producer, a drug dealer, or a brothel … letting this be released to the world would scare families off from Aruba forever and ever.

      No more tourism industry.

      No more casino industry (and losing their business wouldn’t make the casino owners any happier), and hence no more easy payoffs to those in power on Aruba.

      Nothing more but the narcotics trade.

      Think about it. I don’t know that this IS the case … but I don’t think it’s a ridiculous idea. We’ve been told that Joran was on the verge of breaking in jail … I’d like to know who put that report out.

      And again, we know that a week or so after Natalee disappeared, Jan van der Straaten told a reporter that he knew Natalee was dead.

      Curious, then, that some months after that he sent out a notice to neighboring nations asking them to be on the watch for Natalee.

      I guess maybe he thought she came back from the dead?

    81. Richard on September 30th, 2007 10:33 am

      Remember, folks, at the end of October the Aruba Tourism Authority is planning an event in Atlantic City, NJ, to promote tourism there.

      “No justice for Natalee … no tourism for Aruba.”

      Vicki is in charge of organizing the protests now. Stand up for Natalee in Atlantic City!

    82. Richard on September 30th, 2007 11:06 am

      This article was sent to me by a friend. Let’s see….

      Human trafficking gangs active in Surinam. It seems that the Chinese Triad plays a role.

      And there appears to have been corruption in the government about visas … well, we know THAT could never happen on Aruba!

      And there is an admission at the end that women from overseas are among the victims.

      Surinam … gee whiz, do we know anyone from Surinam who was on Aruba?

      Hey, that’s right, the Kalpoe brothers. They were two of the three people last seen with Natalee.

      And if I remember correctly, the Surinamese restaurant on Aruba was near the Lion’s Den.

      Certainly might raise some questions … but not in this case, because we know that Americans can’t become victim to human traffickers.

      No way. (What would a young, blond American girl, who we are told was still a virgin when she vanished, be ‘worth’ to such people?)

      No way. It can’t happen. Americans are special, you see, and nobody would dare do something like this to an American.

      Just ask the parents of Amy Bradley.

      Suriname police dismantle human trafficking ring
      Thursday, September 6, 2007

      By Ivan Cairo
      Caribbean Net News Suriname Correspondent

      PARAMARIBO, Suriname: A human trafficking ring has been successfully dismantled, authorities in Suriname have disclosed. Several suspects, including the ringleader, have been arrested, police spokesman inspector John Jones told reporters.

      The gang allegedly provided fake residence permits and other documents for illegal Chinese immigrants. According to the police, the suspects were requesting between US$1,500 and US$2,000 for the documents.

      Meanwhile, a number of illegal Chinese nationals who had the false documents in their possession and several gang members have been incarcerated.

      “At this moment, we (the police) won’t disclose the number of individuals we have arrested, since the investigation is ongoing and we can’t risk jeopardizing it,” said the police spokesman.

      He further disclosed that the gang were using forged signatures of justice minister Chandrikapersad Santokhi and other officials, while they also used fake stamps of several government agencies.

      The main suspect, Floren Daniels, was arrested Sunday by officers of the SWAT-team of the Suriname Police Force (KPS). Shortly after police received information on the illegal activities, judicial authorities launched a thorough investigation and subsequently issued a wanted bulletin for Daniels, while an international warrant against the main suspect has been issued by Interpol.

      It is widely suspected that, more frequently, human traffickers are conducting their illegal trade in and through Suriname. Speculations about Chinese criminal gangs, the so-called Snake Heads involved in trafficking and other illegal activities in Suriname are on the rise , but so far investigations by the authorities have been unsuccessful.

      It is alleged that numerous Chinese immigrants who entered the country either legally or illegally are victims of human smugglers and traffickers. Chinese nationals transiting Suriname risk debt bondage to migrant smugglers; men are exploited in forced labor and women in commercial sexual exploitation.

      During the past 15 years, numerous Chinese businesses, including hardware stores, massage salons, supermarkets, car wash facilities, roofing industries, restaurants and saw mills have been established, employing mainly Chinese immigrants.

      For the past several years, the government made significant efforts to fully comply with the minimum standards for the elimination of trafficking. Authorities increased law enforcement actions, improved efforts to identify and assist victims, and launched new training and public awareness efforts.

      Currently, legislation to criminalise all forms of trafficking is being drafted while authorities continue tot improving procedures to prevent entry and exploitation of FOREIGN VICTIMS (emphasis supplied by Richard).

    83. dennisintn on September 30th, 2007 11:16 am

      #80, richard, in sept. 05, one of the dutch interrogators made the statement that one or more of the boys were on the verge of breaking. within 24 hrs. an early hearing was held on retaining or keeping them for more interrogation. they, of course, were released on the flimsiest of excuses. it was said that the news of katrina was the reason for the early release, but i think it was because of the “breaking” news from the interrogator. aruba didn’t want the truth to be told, and the 3 of them brought to trial for natalee’s death and the disappearance of her body.

    84. Richard on September 30th, 2007 11:25 am

      Thanks, DennisIntl. I know that the media played up the report that there was a confession.

      My point being … has anyone ever confirmed this? Maybe I’m taking my idea to extremes, but how convenient it is to have the media put forth the “news” that it really is so simple a case.

      It certainly would divert anyone from wondering if this “confession” is more stage-management.

      I haven’t read Joran’s book … there’s enough filth in the world … so I don’t know if he addresses the “confession.”

      My point? PERHAPS this “news” about someone being ready to break was put out there to deter anyone from speculating. Hey, folks, we’ve heard it on TV! You’re not going to doubt the TV, are you?

      And then, as I recall, the confession was retracted.

      Maybe there was something else that Aruba didn’t want “the truth to be told” about … such as, that Natalee was taken off the island and sold.

    85. Richard on September 30th, 2007 11:43 am

      Hey, folks, let’s go to the Caribbean and (if we don’t disappear) we can get dengue!

      More fodder for the boycott Aruba movement….

      Dengue fever surges in Latin America By MICHAEL MELIA, Associated Press Writer
      Sun Sep 30, 3:51 AM ET

      SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico – Dengue fever is spreading across Latin America and the Caribbean in one of the worst outbreaks in decades, causing agonizing joint pain for hundreds of thousands of people and killing nearly 200 so far this year.

      The mosquitoes that carry dengue are thriving in expanded urban slums scattered with water-collecting trash and old tires. Experts say dengue is approaching record levels this year as many countries enter their wettest months.

      “If we do not slow it down, it will intensify and take a greater social and economic toll on these countries,” said Dr. Jose Luis San Martin, head of anti-dengue efforts for the Pan American Health Organization, a regional public health agency.

      The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta has posted advisories this year for people visiting Latin American and Caribbean destinations to use mosquito repellant and stay inside screened areas whenever possible.

      “The danger is that the doctors at home don’t recognize the dengue,” said Dr. Wellington Sun, the chief of the CDC’s dengue branch in San Juan. “The doctors need to raise their level of suspicion for any traveler who returns with a fever.”

      Dengue has already damaged the economies of countries across the region by driving away tourists, according to a document prepared for a PAHO conference beginning Monday in Washington.

      Some countries have focused mosquito eradication efforts on areas popular with tourists. Mexico sent hundreds of workers to the resorts of Puerto Vallarta, Cancun and Acapulco this year to try to avert outbreaks.

      Health ministers from across the region meet at the PAHO conference and San Martin said he will urge them to devote more resources to dengue fever.

      The tropical virus was once thought to have been nearly eliminated from Latin America, but it has steadily gained strength since the early 1980s. Now, officials fear it could emerge as a pandemic similar to one that became a leading killer of children in Southeast Asia following World War II.

      Officials say the virus is likely to grow deadlier in part because tourism and migration are circulating four different strains across the region. A person exposed to one strain may develop immunity to that strain — but subsequent exposure to another strain makes it more likely the person will develop the hemorrhagic form.

      “The main concern is what’s happening in the Americas will recapitulate what has happened in Southeast Asia, and we will start seeing more and more severe types of cases of dengue as time progresses,” Sun said.

      The disease — known as “bonebreak fever” because of the pain — can incapacitate patients for as long as a week with flu-like symptoms. A deadly hemorrhagic form, which also causes internal and external bleeding, accounts for less than 5 percent of cases but has shown signs of growing.

      So far this year, 630,356 dengue cases have been reported in the Americas — most in Brazil, Venezuela, or Colombia — with 12,147 cases of hemorrhagic fever and 183 deaths, according to the Pan American Health Organization. With the spread expected to accelerate during the upcoming rainy season in many countries, cases this year could exceed the 1,015,000 reported in 2002, according to San Martin.

      In Puerto Rico, where 5,592 suspected cases and three deaths have been reported, some lawmakers called this week for the health secretary to resign.

      In the Dominican Republic, which has reported 25 deaths this year, the health department announced Thursday that it would train 2.5 million public school students to encourage parents and neighbors to eliminate standing water.

      Researchers have not yet developed a vaccine against dengue and Sun said that for now, the only way to stop the virus is to contain the mosquito population — a task that relies of countless, relentless individual efforts including installing screen doors and making sure mosquitoes are not breeding in garbage.

      “It’s like telling people to stop smoking,” he said. “They may do it for a while, but they don’t do it on a consistent basis and without doing that, it’s not effective.”

      While dengue is increasing around the developing world, the problem is most dramatic in the Americas, according to the CDC.

      Health officials believe the resurgence of the malaria-like illness is due partly to a premature easing of eradication programs in the 1970s.

      Migration and tourism also have carried new strains of the virus across national borders, even into the United States, which had largely wiped out the disease after a 1922 outbreak that infected a half-million people.

      Mexico has been struggling with an alarming increase in the deadly hemorrhagic form of dengue, which now accounts for roughly one in four cases. The government has confirmed 3,249 cases of hemorraghic dengue for the year through Sept. 15, up from 1,924 last year.

      The CDC says there is no drug to treat hemorrhagic dengue, but proper treatment, including rest, fluids and pain relief, can reduce death rates to about 1 percent.

      San Martin said he use the meetings starting Monday to urge enforcement of trash disposal regulations, more investment in mosquito control and new incentives for communities to participate.

      “It is a battle of every government, every community and every individual,” he said.

    86. Patti on September 30th, 2007 12:56 pm

      Dengue is no laughing matter, but it is also easily avoided with misquito control which would include spraying, wearing repellent and avoiding open water containers, like the tires that are mentioned in the article.

      What is funny is, when you consider what the Minister of Health has been up to over the last couple years:

      Getting busted in Venezuela with a large amount of cocaine, for which he paid a $250,000 fine to be immedicately released with no charges.

      Then you have his “supposed” affair that resulted in the telephone call to the radio station from his “so called” dissed lover who claimed that he had forced himself on her… again, no investigation or charges.

      It would appear, to me, that he is too busy investing money on cocaine, which is a major health concern among his people and having affairs which could result in AIDS another health concern, not only in Aruba but worldwide.

      Where doeshe find the time to worry about anyone’s
      health, including his own?

    87. Patti on September 30th, 2007 2:31 pm


      The things that I say are common knowledge. There are volumns written about the history, customs, rituals and cannibalism of the Arawak Nation. Go to your library, search the internet and you can read it for yourself.

      What some may consider a wild imagination, is, in fact, an educated guess, based on research written, not by me, but by people that have dedicated their lives to unlocking the mysteries of the Arawak.

      For one to think that the Arawaks live only in the past, is not only naive, but stupid, as well.

      As far as Disgusting Mom is concerned, I can say what ever I want in defense of the family, Tim Miller, Jossy, Natalee’s friends, or, myself, as well. There are few people that contribute nothing but rumors, innuendo and criticism of everything that is being done to help the family and she is one of them. You don’t have to be an Aruban to be a nasty troll.

    88. 10061906 on September 30th, 2007 4:12 pm

      81 Richard: Let’s not forget the one in King of Prussia Pa, near Philadelphia in November.
      I have 300 business cards with Natalee’s picture made for that show. Plus other items to be distributed.
      If time permits I’m putting together a cd for distribution with all the photos and information I have gathered over the past two years to give to anyone interested at the show.There are twenty six folders and over 600 photos. Judy Included and the XXX video from the Netherlands.
      I am also trying to “Google Earth” with all the points of interested pinpointed for review. That I’m having trouble developing. I have the areas but getting to work on a cd is where I’m having problems.

    89. brie on September 30th, 2007 4:15 pm

      Well, I think the only thing that originally existed was the document where Joran confesses to having sex with Natalee at his house. The only document where he confessed. And I believe Beth has a copy of this. Then they presented her with a second document. The document was altered and they told her the date on this was wrong. But that wasn’t the reason. She said the second document did not say the same thing as the first. Straaten gave documents to Paulus and made all the changes. These were written in Dutch.

      Beth and Dave told us from the very beginning that corruption and cover-up existed. I think her book with explain all the things, that she knows of, that took place.

    90. Maggie on September 30th, 2007 7:55 pm

      Richard, I did not say people aren’t raped etc on ships. I said that there are no other missing American women tourists from Aruba and if there was we would hear about it from the parents. Just as we do with missing Americans from cruise ships. Natalee disappeared in the company of Joran, Deepak and Satish and none of them have any corroboration for what took place that 2 hours. See how fast the 2 guards were released, their alibis checked out. Over 2 years and these 3 still have no alibi that checks out and matches.

      Dave Holloway, when he was on right after O’Reilly announced that source who said Natalee died of an alcohol overdose, and said the KLPD is investigating this as a homicide.

    91. Patti on September 30th, 2007 8:49 pm


      There are other Americans missing in Aruba:

      I can’t recall their names but there was a little boy that went missing when he went jet-skiing with an Aruban that he and his mother met at the hotel they were staying in… he disappeared under very mysterious circumstances and his body was never recovered.

      Then there was a man that was a surfer that walked out of a surf shop and was never seen again.

      Those are the two that come to mind, right off the top of my head, but I’m sure there are more.

      One question to consider is: How many Dutch girls have gone missing on Aruba? They get as many, if not more, Dutch tourists as they do American.

      Boycott Aruba

    92. Maggie on September 30th, 2007 10:32 pm

      Patti ^ missing American women tourists from Aruba.

    93. Maggie on September 30th, 2007 10:45 pm

      OOps got cut off.. I said there are no other female missing tourists from the USA in Aruba. None reported before or after Natalee. I find it hard to believe the one who is with a person who has lied, colluded, was doing everything illegal that night, would be the one who was a victim of someone else. In fact there is no evidence that Natalee was ever with anyone else that night. None, nada,,,,afterwards no Natalee, no sightings. Someone went to a lot of trouble to wipe Natalee’s existence away for a reason, aka no body, no crime. That’s why they were cleaning their car, more than once.

    94. Richard on October 1st, 2007 12:18 pm

      As I’ve said before, I think that there is more involved than these three kids and their daddy.

      Maggie, you’re entirely right (as far as I know) that we have no evidence of the involvement of others. That doesn’t preclude the possibility that in fact, others were involved. Such as other members of the “Pimps.”

      We do know that Aruba is a way station for the drug gangs. Elsewhere, I’ve posted a recent article about a human trafficking gang that was operating in Suriname, former home to the Kalpoes.

      My hypothesis has always been, not that Natalee was necessarily targeted for white slavery (though I’m not ruling that out), but that a situation arose (such as her regaining consciousness before she was supposed to, and her adamant refusal to ‘let things be’) that made her captors realize that it was too dangerous for them to let her go.

      There are all kinds of possibilities that would arise from this.

      In essence, while obviously J2K were involved in what happened, we do not know for sure that they are the only ones, or that they had the final say. I still think that something darker was involved than death by accident … or on purpose. Could well be wrong.

    95. Patti on October 1st, 2007 4:56 pm


      I don’t mean to argue with you, but when you say more than once. I assume that you mean that they cleaned their car before they picked up Joran to go to Carlos and Charlies and they cleaned their car again, after receiving a phone call that Natalee had overdosed. If that’s what is meant by “more than once” that hardly puts any guilt upon them in Nat’s disappearance.

      They said that they dropped her and Joran off at the end of the dirt road that leads to the beach by the Marriott. There is proof that several people made phone calls using cell phones from that location, as well as eye-witness accounts of someone putting the body of a girl in the back of a white pick-up.

      Deepak and Satish Kalpoe have pleaded, over and over for Joran to tell the truth. They have gone behind Joran’s back in asking his best friend what happened that night. I believe they know the truth; but who on Aruba is brave enough to stand up and speak about it when you have people like Pitbull being killed in a very heinous way that the government calls, simply, a suicide?

      Who is going to speak up when the Minister of Justice, himself threatens his own people. Saying that anyone conversing with the aliens on the internet will be considered traitors. What happens to traitors? They’re hung in public places for the whole world to see, as a reminder to everyone, what happens if you talk.

      To think that all these things are done in an attempt to protect a mis-fit and his punk friends is ludicrous. There is something MUCH bigger than the cover up of a girl being raped on a beach or an accidental overdose… Something that could bring down the Nation of Arawak, Aruba and perhaps the Netherlands… something that HAS been going on for a long time and, in my opinion, for far TOOOOO long.




    96. Patti on October 1st, 2007 5:18 pm



      Why do you think the Dutch were taking soil
      samples at the rocks? And what do you suppose
      they dug up in that small area between the fence
      and the barn at the Sloot compound? What they
      found fit in a small container…. why? Could
      it be, God forbid, that was all that was left
      of Natalee?

      The way I see it, it’s time for the Dutch to speak
      up. The longer they wait, the harder it will be
      on everyone…

    97. Maggie on October 1st, 2007 5:45 pm

      Patti, if they would’ve dug up parts of what was left of Natalee on the Sloot property months ago, they would already be back in jail. I am told they take a rod and put it in the soil and if a body has been in the soil, they can detect a certain compound showing up on the rod in tests. Soil samples will show if a body has previously been buried in the ground.

      I have seen no evidence of anyone seeing a body being put in the back of a truck that night.

      I’ve also seen no evidence that the Kalpoes ever dropped anyone at the beach. Joran says they have a loud car. Not one person has come forward to seeing or hearing that car at the beach or them. Cops even mentioned to one that 3 fishermen were on that beach and saw noone matching their descriptions that night. No shoes found on the beach, Joran says lots of people there that night, not one has come forward to say they saw any of them on the beach that night. There were phone calls later on, but who knows who was making them? According to Deepak, he told John Croes that Natalee put her hands down his pants to throw an investigation off, there was no investigation at the time. Why would these guys go home and shower and clean the car after working all evening, go pick Joran up , just to drive and wait around on him, then drive him around some more and go home and go out at daylight and clean their car again? What a fun night for them.

    98. Patti on October 1st, 2007 8:30 pm


      I think you missed the point. Deepak and Satish never hung around with Joran after dropping them off near the end of the Marriot. They never went back to pick him up so they could drive around some more. The extent of what the Kalpoes did was to pick up Joran and take him to Carlos and Charleys to meet up with a girl. Satish went inside while Deepak spent most of the time in the car. When the bar closed, they gave Joran and the girl a short tour of the island and then dropped them off at the Marriott. Neither of them went back to pick them up… that was Joran’s lie. Paulus says that he picked them up and dropped Natalee off at her hotel, which we also know is a lie.

      You say you have no evidence of anyone seeing a girl being thrown into the back of a white pick-up while I remember hearing that there was a report filed with the police stating just that by employees of either the Marriott or the Holiday Inn. Just as there was also a report, by witnesses that there was a white Suzuki (which could also be described as a truck, or jeep) at the fisherman’s huts where the cage, along with a knife, was stolen.

      Greta, specifically, asked if the report, to the police of the stolen cage, was made before or after the news of Natalee’s disappearance was made public; and it was determined that the report was made first thing in the morning, before anyone would have known of her disappearance.

      Also, you say that there were calls made from that area of the beach, but who knows who made them?!?! The calls were traced to Joran, Paulus and Charles Croes. And if you ponder on that, for a while, it isn’t hard to realize that the Croes are heavily involved in Natalee’s disappearance… who would believe ANYTHING that they say. Besides, how does a girl sticking her hand down someone’s pants hinder an investigation, unless it is proof that she wasn’t a virgin and couldn’t have possibly been the one chosen as a victim in some sort of sick ritual.

      I mean… why is it SOOOO important to the Arawak Nation that people believe that Natalee wasn’t a virgin? You think there might be some Hindus, Christians or Jews that live on Aruba who know what is done to virgins? I don’t know… but it just seems such a silly thing to worry about when someone’s daughter is missing.

    99. Patti on October 1st, 2007 8:55 pm


      P.S. What makes you think that the Dutch are going to act that quickly? They took soil samples at the rocks, in hope that there would be blood present. We all know that it will be difficult to detect dna in blood that has been mixed in with dirt and exposed to the elements for almost two years. However, given the amount of blood that was spilled, there may be a chance.
      If there was a carcass removed from the yard, dna would be relatively easy to come by as it would be left in the bones.

      The only thing that I can think of is that they are conducting a complete investigation, which would include the cover up of the crime. They are saying that they need additional time for dna, which could be true, as well, if they are hoping to hit a home run and prove that Natalee died at the rocks in a pagan ritual.

      I think, too, that the Dutch may have second thoughts about revealing the truth about what happened because they have been living among the Arawak for nearly three hundred years and are guilty of not alarming the rest of the world about their practices. Believe me, this is something that has been going on for a long, long time; and although the average Dutch citizen may not have known about it, certainly, the government officials knew. The mere fact that they would turn that island over to such savages, is beyond comprehension. So they, basically, are in a win/lose situation.

      Personally, I would consider their telling the truth about what happened to Natalee would make them heros in my book… because until these truths are revealed, there is always the danger that it will happen over and over and over again.

      My thoughts and prayers are with Natalee and her family.


      Boycott Aruba!!!!!

    100. brie on October 2nd, 2007 9:41 am

      Any reports from Jossy on the water search?

    101. Richard on October 2nd, 2007 11:18 am

      Maggie, just a question … are you assuming that we can build a timeline or scenario of events based on what Joran and the Kalpoes tell us? We’ve had many, many contradictory stories of what happened that night and who was where when.

      I don’t think that we can factor any of these reports into a factual basis unless they can be confirmed by others.

      And Patti and I agree on this much: something is at work that is bigger than these punks. The cover-up is too broad and too sweeping.

      I’ll say again: the death, even the murder, of one American tourist would not keep people from Aruba if action had been swift and prosecutions forthcoming.

      Reports of one American girl being sold into sex slavery, however, would destroy the place forever.

    102. Maggie on October 2nd, 2007 8:16 pm

      Richard, I haven’t mentioned a time line for that night after Natalee was with them, because I said before, there is no corroboration of anything they say once they left Carlos n Charlies. There is no corroboration they were ever at the beach. In fact, everything so far has shown they were never at the beach. Perhaps to dispose of Natalee later on. It’s real odd noone heard or seen Deepak’s loud car driving around all over town that night, noone heard or seen it at the beach, noone has ever found either one’s shoes, 3 fishermen on the beach saw noone matching their description, all those people Joran said was on the beach around them, none have came forward to say they saw them. There isn’t one bit of evidence they went to the beach. It show’s someone on Deepak’s computer later on. Who know’s who that was, he has a sister. Someone was on Joran’s around 3:30, who knows who that was , he has brothers. Computers can be altered in some ways if you know anything about computers. According to Deepak, he told John Croes, Natalee put her hands down his pants to throw an investigation off, well there was no investigation that night Natalee disappeared.

      Tourists would stay away from an island if they thought the cops covered up the murder of a tourist as a favor to friends. Straten was friends of the VDS’s. Who wants to visit an island where the cops are corrupt. Noone knows what they all have on each other from working together for years. I seriously don’t believe this is the first time Joran has been in trouble. Thousands of girls have went to Aruba on vacation, I just find it hard to believe no females before or after has gone missing. Everything about these 4 points to they knew something bad happened and would go to any lengths to lie and make up stories before it was even public. They were making up the beach lie while police were pursuing the 2 guards lie. However they knew the 2 guards story was phoney the second day after viewing the tape, while they were all refering to her as a body.

      And noooo I don’t believe Natalee was in a cage or eaten.

    103. jonathan on December 8th, 2007 2:37 am

      you are are extremley racist in your views …why bash aruba if the main suspect arent even arubian ?where do you get your info ?about 95 procent of what you people claim about aruba are extremley false ….arawaks ?!the last arawak dies a 100 years ago most arubian are from a mixed dutch decent..pagan rituals ?!this is an catholic island dont go around spreading false rumors if you even havent put a foot on the island an seen it with ur own eyes …3rd world?!our living standards are higher then yours…you people are filled with so much hate …you accuse us of being a poverty stricken …a drug haven …wich is not true …of coarse there are drugs on the island but only a very small procent of people use it and mainly they would be the foreingners like colombians and venezuelans that use them…look at yourselfs before you critisize us the us is the biggest coke consumer in the world… i mean comon this has never happend on the island before…and yet ypi people seem to think that everyday some tourist gets raped or killed …average we have maybe 2 murders a years whilest in the usa its like in the thousands .look at colombine..virginia tech and recently the mall shootings …aruba is far safer then the us…its sad how you people get so igorant…getting al exited on rumors from people who havent even been here ..shame on you all..its amazing how you treat your few remaining allies in this world…well that goes to those hatefull people wich im sure are only a small procentage of americans…and for those whos say arubas tourism is tanking ..please where do you get your facts cuz for people living on the island its booming and as proof about 4 5 star hotels are being built…and last but not least those people who believe is a part of venezuela go get an decent education please …and you call us dumb…sorry if i have insulted anyone in anyway but im just tired from reading all this bs some people put up here …you act as if the arubian people dont want to find natalee ..we have tried so hard she is in our hearts and minds..the entire island took part in the search effort ..holland sent 3 f16s to help out …the only people who know what happend is those three suspect noway could they have gotten rid of the body so fast with so little time …i dont believe anyone else is involved like some of you mention the police that is just absurd ….its no way worth getting bashed like this just for a cover up ….and for those who believe she was sold as a sex slave is absolute bs that doesnt happen here i assure you.this is an isolated case and sadley just blown out of proportion.about a monnth after natalee disapeared 2 americans got shot dead in jamaica and not one word from you people about it..not nancy grace ..greta van susteren not no1…i hope this case get resolved soon im tired that our name gets dragged in the mud becuase of people that arent even born here

    104. Shardea on February 19th, 2008 7:18 am

      If she lied like this and spoil my precious dot on the map she have a lot coming to her. And if Joran knew about all this he also have a lot coming to him. Why all these lies. I beg you please watch these videos. You will be surprised how many things Ms. Twitty lied about in her book.

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      I am really tired of people believing that Aruba did not do anything for Ms.Twitty. We have done everything we could to find her daughter and arrest those responsible. We organized a number of events to look for Natalee Holloway, yet all I hear is that we have done nothing. I think it is important to understand our rules and respect them. Aruba is not the U.S.A. We believe in giving people second chances, despite what they did.
      Furthermore, please do not compare Aruba to Jamaica. We are two very different islands with very different cultures, beliefs and people. Thank you.

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