Aruba: Fire in Bushiri Hotel … “Not Even Security Guards Could Prevent Breaking Ins”


Some times one sentence say it all and nothing more need be elaborated. Thus is the Captioncontest_CuracaoOfficercase with a fire that broke out in the abandoned Bushiri Hotel for the second time. If security guards in Aruba could not guard an abandoned building, imagine would its like for the occupied ones.

“Not even security guards that were put in to guard the place, could prevent breaking ins.”

Amigoe: Sept 21, 2007: Fire in Bushiri Hotel

ORANJESTAD – Fire broke out in the Bushiri Hotel at the L.G. Smith Boulevard, which has been unoccupied for a long time. It were passers-by that noticed the smoke coming from the upper floors and called the fire department and police, who arrived fast and had the fire under control soon. Five rooms had water- and smoke damage.

This is the second time in a short period of time that fire broke out in the much deteriorated building. Not even security guards that were put in to guard the place, could prevent breaking ins. The government doesn’t want to say what the future of the hotel is going to be. Six years of negotiation have up till now not delivered more than a few ‘interested’ investors. 

Posted September 23, 2007 by
Aruba, Crime | 84 comments

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    84 Responses to “Aruba: Fire in Bushiri Hotel … “Not Even Security Guards Could Prevent Breaking Ins””

    1. brie on September 23rd, 2007 2:37 pm

      Is Joran in town?

    2. disgustedmom on September 23rd, 2007 7:12 pm

      There goes more evidence of Natalee. ‘

      Love the cop on a trike pic! LMAO!

    3. Maggie on September 23rd, 2007 7:55 pm

      This should make everyone feel so secure in Aruba. Maybe the guards are friends with the ones doing it. We know how the system works. Paulus, Straten, Jacobs, Kalpoes, Boeti, Dompig, Arlene, Guido, wink, wink. Are they from Dompig’s security service?

    4. disgustedmom on September 23rd, 2007 8:02 pm

      I’m going to post this here because it’s the newest Aruba thread.

      I got this off the forum, but I’m not registered there so….

      this link about the fabric in the man’s hand.

      If you can find the entire video you can see clearly that the man PUTS the fabric between the rocks. Like plants it!

      I had taped this news clip when it was new and watched it in slowmo several times to be sure….the man has the fabric in his hand, then he puts his hand down between the rocks and both his hangs then do not hold fabric anymore.

      Just thought I’d share that observation for what it’s worth on this page. I don’t register on the forum because I know I’ll spend way too much time online if I have that avenue to entice me!

    5. disgustedmom on September 23rd, 2007 8:04 pm

      Ummmm, I didn’t mean HanGs up there…it’s supposed to be hanDS. LOL…sorry!

    6. Sandra on September 23rd, 2007 9:11 pm

      Well, not surprised about the security guard not being able to prevent break-ins. The guards on that island usually only care about smoking weed on the job, going after the young American girls and that’s about it. They often fall asleep on the job and just care about their pay check at the end of the month…They are all like that…Security guards in Aruba are often more problems than other people around.

    7. Allan K on September 23rd, 2007 9:24 pm

      Aruba is disgusting.

    8. Carpe Noctem on September 23rd, 2007 11:12 pm

      They probably just did it to

      collect on the insurance money.

      WELL, isn’t that what they said about poor

      Nat’s parents? If my island sucked as badly

      as theirs does, I’d be hoping the island took flame.

      Just gut it and start over. -j4n

    9. Carpe Noctem on September 23rd, 2007 11:14 pm

      Hey Rooba,

      Take this one right up the ol’ schnitzengruben!


      Justice for Natalee.

    10. Carpe Noctem on September 23rd, 2007 11:22 pm

      [Lili Von Schtupp offers Bart a gigantic sausage]
      Lili Von Shtupp: Would you like another schnitzengruben?
      Bart: No, thank you. Fifteen is my limit on schnitzengruben.

      -Blazing Saddles

    11. hmm on September 24th, 2007 3:37 am

      hmmmmm, …..

    12. benh on September 24th, 2007 6:16 am

      Any one know when Dutch Goverment is supposed to make final decision on this case.Oh if any Aruban official really belives Natalee willingly took cocaineand died as a result, and Joran and kalpo disposed of the body why have they not been charged with that.Because only half of it is true they did dispose of the body.

    13. richard on September 24th, 2007 9:22 am

      We’ve been told that the Dutch government plans to make a decision in November. Curious, I think, that Tim Miller now is expected to make the water search in that month as well. Quite a coincidence that they seem to be waiting on results from that.

      It’s worth noting, of course, that American volunteers seem to be the ones who are carrying out the search. Some of us might think that the water search was the obligation of the Dutch and Arubans.

      But then again, apart from a token effort on one afternoon by some Aruban volunteers (far fewer took part than the number that we were led to understand), Aruba has done nothing except stonewall. So really, can we expect that they would do anything … and remember, too, that Dompig once BLOCKED the water search by refusing to sign a letter of authorization.

      But one good thing: the more we press on with the boycott protests, keeping Natalee’s case out there in the public eye, the fewer people probably will go to Aruba.

      So maybe more “accidental” fires of “empty” buildings lie in Aruba’s future. Maybe, in fact, the whole damn place will burn down.

      Some call it tragedy.

      Others call it poetic justice.

    14. richard on September 24th, 2007 9:36 am

      On another post, it is said that the water search will be carried out at the end of October, not November.

      I’m still wondering … if no remains or other traces of Natalee are found, will people change their minds on “what had to have happened”?

    15. Vicki on September 24th, 2007 10:01 am

      On that note Richard, What if when paulus went to Florida he somehow took Natalee with him???..My heart wants to believe that she is alive and well somewhere, but my head tells me that its not true…I dont know, but I want answers…its been way to long…

    16. disgustedmom on September 24th, 2007 10:04 am

      #13…the Dutch PLAN to make a decision in November?

      How does an investigation PLAN to have a decision months ahead of making it?

      They are stalling for time, but for what reason?

      What’s up with November?

    17. disgustedmom on September 24th, 2007 10:51 am


      Holding onto the reality of rape and battery by Joran and his gang might be keeping some people from embracing the Sold Theory. It shouldn’t though. Rape and battery are usually performed pronto and violently to subdue and scare the victim during the initial stages of being sold into sex slavery. They don’t just whisk the victim away all peacefully or drugged up where she awakens in bondage. These are hateful, mean, black-hearted people, and part of their cruelty is to be excited to be vicious. It is an abrupt violence in the midst of the victim feeling safe and happy with her lure.

      Such a play by play sounds like what Joran did.

      He played all nicey nice guy, but that was in direct contradiction to how he talked about her after she went missing. Joran was clearly detached, cavalier, unremorseful and actually couldn’t say anything about Natalee that was not a desecration of her. He’s a perfect lure!

      Then we have ALE and Gov’t Officials etc being just as cold about Natalee. It makes no sense to act that way. How could that many people have no tender feelings collectively about another human being?

      You know, as tragic as it is that Beth and Dave lost their precious daughter, the pain of it might have been a tiny bit less severe had those who saw her last or those charged with finding her had acted like they cared about Natalee. Clearly, they didn’t. Clearly they had their minds made up already not to care about her. Why?

    18. Vicki on September 24th, 2007 11:51 am

      DM, you are so right…why is the question…Can the ppl of aruba actually be so dumb to believe what they are being fed???I cant believe that they really believe Natalee ran away from home…what idiots. Im sick of the ppl that are being paid to bash Natalee and Beth. They are the real lowlifes. what nit wits…may they all rot in hell. There is so compassion, right from the beginning you got nadira..with the even grownups lie…and stupid anita with…why would she get into a car with strangers….she is right her son is a stranger to her and everyone else. I know they are so happy that the sporter cant come home anymore…one less DEMON on that frakin VOLCANIC ASH. BOYCOTT LIERUBA……

    19. brie on September 24th, 2007 12:18 pm

      How come we have never gotten any answers to Deepak’s statement that something bad happened and she hit her head. Somebody shut him up! The ALE knows but there not saying. Also, if they find her and see all the chit, you’ll get 15 years. What is all this? Dompig knew and said they all guilty as hell, so he had to pursue what he called an investigation, knowing he wasn’t going to find anything because they had 10 days to make up their stories and clean up the evidence. Instructions per Straaten. So much dirty laundry. And tourism gets involved, better to say she just disappeared as opposed to she was murdered or abducted.

    20. brie on September 24th, 2007 1:04 pm

      And where is the answer to Jacobs statement, how much have you got? That came out in the initial beginning and so did the mention of Carlos ‘n Charlie’s.

      Well, maybe Natalee was injured but recovered and because of what she experienced they couldn’t allow her to return home. So maybe, she was abducted. There’s enough criminals on that island to make that happen. It took place in Curacao for Amy Bradley. So we do abduction goes on there. And there were crew members that wanted to take her to Carlos ‘n Charlie’s. That’s probably where the abduction was suppose to take place. I wonder if there was a cruise ship in port when Natalee disappeared. The cruise ships dock further down the island close to Lorenzo’s house.

    21. richard on September 24th, 2007 1:28 pm

      Bringing Natalee to Florida would be quite a stretch, in my opinion … still, drugs are flown from the Caribbean to there every day, I believe.

      We DO know that our borders are totally porous, or nearly so. We’re told this isn’t true, and that we have effective security measures in place … well, I’d like to see the proof.

      Remember that Dave Holloway, in his book “Aruba,” referred to reports that he’d received from someone who knew the area. That person said that locals who trusted him had shown him a place where kidnapped girls were kept drugged.

      This person also was warned that these girls could be moved on a moment’s notice if their captors became suspicious.

      Don’t ask me how true the story is … but I brought the Amy Bradley case to Dave Holloway’s attention before that book came out (it was at a meeting in Charlotte, NC, where he and Robin appeared for a charity event). Perhaps that influenced his putting the info in the book; I don’t know.

      What I DO know is that more than two years after the event, there is no sign of Natalee. And the “white slave” trade is active in Latin America … but of course, it can’t happen to an American, can it? So we’re told.

    22. richard on September 24th, 2007 1:35 pm

      I don’t remember the name, but I remember the case: an Arab family from Tunisia, or possibly another country in the Mahgreb, was dissatisfied with the way their daughter was living while she was in Canada (this was in the 1970s).

      So they visited her at her home there, drugged her, got her on a private plane and flew her back. I don’t know what kind of plane it was … I can’t imagine that it could have made a straight flight … but it did happen.

      In Aruba, I suppose, the drug lords have private planes galore. And it’s how much of a flight to Venezuela or Colombia from there? They could just load a drugged Natalee in a trunk, put it on the plane, and she’d still be asleep by the time they arrived at wherever they were going.

    23. brie on September 24th, 2007 1:48 pm

      Just looked up the cruise ship Amy was on, Royal Caribbean, Rhapsody of the Seas. That shipped was docked in Aruba on Monday and left Tuesday morning. Don’t know if in 2005 the schedule was the same but Natalee became missing on Monday. Just a thought!

    24. brie on September 24th, 2007 1:55 pm

      …18..Vicki…I must have missed something along the way…is Joran not permitted to come back to Aruba?

    25. Vicki on September 24th, 2007 3:17 pm

      #24- Hes afraid to go back after his book came out and he told on so many ppl calling local girls sluts and how the police turn their heads…oh yeah URINE IS AFRAID….

    26. brie on September 24th, 2007 4:31 pm

      ….Vicki…Oh, calling local girls sluts and he’s a PIMP. But that’s OK for him. We all know he never does anything wrong it’s always somebody else. I guess some ppl in Aruba might be waiting in the corridor’s. Well, it won’t take long and the sporter will be in trouble in the Netherland’s. I wonder how they feel about him there.

    27. disgustedmom on September 24th, 2007 7:07 pm

      #23 Brie, try this docking report for May 2005…

      According to this, the only ship docked after 2PM on May 29, 2005 was The Amazing Grace. And it docked at 9AM on the 29th and left at 10PM on May 30.

      The Amazing Grace is no longer in service.

      But it was a supply ship as well as a small cruise line. It took supplies to other larger ships and to other islands.

      Very interesting, isn’t it?

    28. brie on September 24th, 2007 8:24 pm

      ..#27…Dm.. So where is the Rhapsody of the Seas on that date…Hmmmm….When I was there alot of containers were being cargoed on the ship right before departure…no one really checks on the background of the crew or there credibility…it would be so easy….!!!!

    29. brie on September 24th, 2007 8:49 pm

      So why does Joran think the Dutch will protect him….because of his Godfather Staaten…!

    30. Robert on September 25th, 2007 4:54 am

      Some news on Aruba I just stumbled on. From this Dutch news-website:

      A large police-action has ended an international criminal drug-organisation on Aruba. Eight persons were arrested who supposedly were involved in distortion, money-laundring and the im- and export of cocaine and heroin. Besides that six illegals were arrested.

      Over 120 policemen did housesearches on ten locations, amongs which a lawyers-office. The house of a scion of the Aruban Mansur family that was in the past accused of drugtrade, was searched as well. At the arrest of one of the suspects shots were fired by him but nobody got hurt.

      Because of the size of the action which was classified as “fire-arms-endangered”, help was called in of officers of the Curaçaoen Arrest Team. Financial and digital experts and dogs, all from the KLPD (Corps National Police Services) were called in as well.

      At the housesearches an unknown number of weapons, money en drugs were confiscated. Some cars were confiscated as well. The action was the result of a longer, ongoing investigation of the RST (Investigative Cooperation Team) on Aruba.

      Comment by me: I really think the letters and the tenacity of the Scared Monkeys-community has results! Congrats!

    31. Carpe Noctem on September 25th, 2007 10:18 am

      Joran is just like OJ.

      Except he’s white, has hair like
      Eddie Munster, and a forehead
      that someone could set down
      a 40 ounce bottle of beer on.

      …but yea, other than that,
      he’s just like the Juice.

      That rotten baba ganush!


    32. Mr. Aquila on September 25th, 2007 11:42 am

      #15: Everyone wants answers but it is less and less likely as the days go by. Even our own government hasn’t done anything.

    33. Robert on September 25th, 2007 12:20 pm

      # correction to my post on September 25th, 2007 4:54 am

      Distortion must be Extortion. Sorry, English is not my native language.

    34. Vicki on September 25th, 2007 12:33 pm

      33-thank you for the article and welcome aboard.#32- smells like johnnm….

    35. brie on September 25th, 2007 6:16 pm

      #32…thanks for words of encouragement, but can’t you tell by now, we’re not giving up, it’s more and more likely as they days go by, that justice for Natalee is certainly not going on the back burner…! Toot-a-lou!

    36. brie on September 25th, 2007 6:58 pm

      It sure would be nice to hear some words from Jossy….our contact in Aruba…what’s the latest…!

    37. Carpe Noctem on September 25th, 2007 8:22 pm
    38. Carpe Noctem on September 25th, 2007 8:32 pm

      Hey Dewitt,

      I think you could manage your time
      better by taking your finger out
      of your nose, and trying to
      track down Natalee’s murderers.


      You guys are like a vintage pinball
      machine. You’re stuck on TILT. Somebody
      needs to put a boot in your a$$ and
      knock that ball loose,
      you turkey!


    39. Patti on September 25th, 2007 9:56 pm

      In my way of thinking the Dutch should share the responsibility if there is no justice for Natalee. They have turned a deaf ear to the cries of the innocent for centuries. Perhaps, one could go even further to say that they are an integral part of the means by which these savages purchase some of the children trafficked onto their island.

      If my senses serve me right, the Dutch are trying to clean up their act, before playing the part of whistle-blower against a “Nation” that they have supported for years. I don’t think they want them back so, perhaps, now is a good time to break ties.

      How comforting it would be to know that the Dutch have the courage to discontinue migration with Aruba. And, put an end to those able to slip in and out of The Netherlands on a free passport, only to reak havok upon the children from The Netherlands, and, neighboring countries in Europe, as well. I think we could all sleep safer knowing that Aruba is an island unto itself without the ability to migrate into the “free” world.

      They need to look long and hard at Aruba, and, perhaps redeem themselves from the sins committed by those that swear allegiance to the Motherland while stealing their babies out of their beds at night.

      Boycott Aruba…

    40. Carpe Noctem on September 25th, 2007 10:25 pm

      Nat’s #24 Marriott Basin Photobook


    41. yoyo muffintop on September 25th, 2007 10:57 pm

      #36: “It sure would be nice to hear some words from Jossy….our contact in Aruba…what’s the latest…!”

      The latest is the story in #30. One of those busted is Jossy’s brother Luis. Hence no Jossy and hence no FP article about it.
      Interesting huh?

      SM: WRONG. Just waiting for a full accurate translation. We are well aware of Luis’s arrest. (klaasend)

    42. Patti on September 25th, 2007 11:33 pm


      It makes you wonder if this is one of those “special” sting operations. The
      Aruban government has been after Jossy
      and his family for a long time… they
      don’t believe in “Free Press” and any
      attempt to discredit him is, certainly,
      not below them… we’ve seen evidence of
      that over and over again.

    43. mayan_moons on September 26th, 2007 1:24 am

      When the Dutch took over the case they put their credibility on the line for it’s outcome. It was printed that the Dutch Investigator’s had authority now, would have separate office’s from ALE and would be packing heat to indicate that they were in charge of the Natalee Holloway case. If they are just playing games like Aruba has (which i hope they’re not) then it’s best we know the motherland’s true colors and steer clear of the Netherland’s as we do to Aruba.

    44. mayan_moons on September 26th, 2007 1:57 am

      Up until Holland stepped up to the plate they were in a neutral mode with a safe distance from Aruba’s obvious coverup and protection of Paules & J2K and the other’s involved with the kidnapping and possible rape & murder of Natalee.

      They took on the responsibilty but haven’t acted like they mean business but for a jackhammer show & garden party at the Sloot’s.

    45. Robert on September 26th, 2007 6:40 am

      In addition to “Criminal Organisation Busted”; post nr. 30

      The Aruban Diario has an article (in papiamento which I can’t read) on the police action, with some pictures as well.

      The Dutch site of the Amigoe ( ) has all the facts that the Dutch NieuwNieuws-site allready named yesterday.

      Only the last piece has additional info: “The initials of the arrested suspects are: H.R.M.O. (41 years old), R.R. (45 years old), M.V.C. (68 years old), R.A.B.M. (28 years old), F.R.A. (50 years old), M.K.K. (28 years old) en J.A.C. (36 years old). Besides that the 63-years old bussiness-man Luis Mansur. All suspects are locked down in policestations and are being questioned. Expected is that they will be presented to the rechter-commissaris (judge-commissionar) next Thursday.

    46. disgustedmom on September 26th, 2007 7:18 am

      #41 Yoyo….believe it or not, I’m feelin’ ya when it comes to Jossy bias. I don’t trust him or Tito Lacle any more than I trust Julia Renfro. I think Jossy is a snake in the grass.

    47. Carpe Noctem on September 26th, 2007 9:40 am

      Using the perp’s initials instead of

      their entire name, I think is gay-tarded!

      Does his name have a P in it?


      …GO FISH.

      The people find out anyway…

      it just takes a bit longer.

      I just don’t get it.

    48. Mr.Aquila on September 26th, 2007 11:12 am

      brie: Oh I hope you are right. It’s just that nothing is in the media anymore and the only place we can read about it is here. I hope and pray everyday that we will get answers and we are no closer to solving this than we were two years ago. That scum Joran is as free as a butterfly.

    49. Meee on September 26th, 2007 11:44 am

      And given my e-mails encounters with Jossy. I’m leary of him also.

    50. JusticeforNatalee on September 26th, 2007 11:47 am


      Good to see you here. Thanks for your info and posts.

    51. JusticeforNatalee on September 26th, 2007 11:53 am


      I hope you read Beth’s new book, Loving Natalee.

    52. Richard on September 26th, 2007 11:53 am

      Remember, Jossy’s comment was that Natalee couldn’t have been trafficked from Aruba because he had never heard of such a thing happening before.

      Not much of an argument, I’d say.

    53. Robert on September 26th, 2007 12:11 pm

      # JusticeforNatalee 50 & 51

      It might be an idea to bring out Beth’s book in the NL’s, in Dutch? If not I may buy the English version.

    54. disgustedmom on September 26th, 2007 12:47 pm

      #47 Carpe….that is SO funny!… Go Fish! LOL

      It IS so stupid to play that giving initials game. WTF? It’s no more secretive than saying PVDS’s name starts with a Paulus and ends with a Van der Sloot.

    55. Patti on September 26th, 2007 2:07 pm

      Distgusted Mom – #46:

      What ever he is, there is no doubt that he is

      feeling the pressure. It’s not an easy thing

      to do to be considered a friend of the Holloways

      on an island that doesn’t even want to acknowledge

      Natalee. They refuse to, as much as, mention her

      name. I suppose that is keeping with their

      tradition of not mentioning the dead.

      Good or bad, if not for Jossy, we would not have

      been given the signs that have lead us to the

      truth of what happened to Natalee. If anything,

      we should be grateful and fear for his safety. A

      friend of the Holloways is a friend of mine and an

      enemy of Aruba is a friend, as well.

      Boycott! Aruba….

    56. Vicki on September 26th, 2007 2:24 pm

      48-Free as a butterfly? are you kidding me. He will never be free and to compare him to a butterfly is ridiculus. Him and his papa sold their souls to the DEVIL when they didnt come forward with the truth…He has no soul, morals, empathy or blood flowing thru his veins. He is living on borrowed time….TICK TOCK

    57. brie on September 26th, 2007 2:25 pm

      Well, we had to play hide-’n-go-seek, name that game, guess who, dodgem’s, connect the dots, scrabble, clue and now go fish! With no disrespect to Natalee, it is laughable.

    58. brie on September 26th, 2007 2:45 pm

      You can’t meet with “stink hiney” until he eats his corn flakes….

      They’re driving dune buggy’s all over the place and Tim gets blamed for squashing the turtle eggs…

      Paulus writes letters to himself saying Nat ran away…

      Joran wears tee-shirts that’s denotes he doesn’t give a damn….

      Anita tries to look like a sexy sea cow….

      Kalpoe’s act like a couple of dip-shit’s

      It’s all something else….!!!!!

    59. yoyo muffintop on September 26th, 2007 3:02 pm

      #55 Patti: “Good or bad, if not for Jossy, we would not have been given the signs that have lead us to the
      truth of what happened to Natalee.”

      Well…the truth according to you is that she was eaten by Arubans. What were those signs Jossy gave us that she was eaten by cannibals? I missed those.

      #57 – so true.

    60. brie on September 26th, 2007 3:07 pm

      I really do wonder sometimes what Joran thinks of himself. We know he is psychopath and doesn’t feel responsible for anything. But does he feel any pressure. Or continues to like the lime-light!

    61. Patti on September 26th, 2007 4:00 pm

      Brie – #60:

      In the back of the squad car, Joran says that his
      family is ALL he cares about. Deepak say’s,

      “Your own Father, Unbelievable”!!!!!


      Yo Yo – #59:

      As much as I like you, it is evident that you are
      not a friend of Natalee’s nor are you interested
      in knowing the truth. Your actions are evidence
      of that. So, please, tell me: Why should I tell
      you anything?

      Go back to the dark-side where you are praised for
      shading your eyes from the truth. The truth is
      not what you seek, anyway. Even if you heard it,
      it wouldn’t sink into your heart, nor result in
      action. No… in fact, you are not on a mission
      of fact-finding; rather, you more interested in
      mocking the truth.

    62. Carpe Noctem on September 26th, 2007 5:03 pm

      Jossy could spring a wizzer
      right in front of a nun
      on a Sunday, for all I care.

      When it came time for the rubber
      to meet the road… He spoke up; he
      didn’t have to. He donated some of
      his own resources to help in finding
      Natalee. He didn’t have to.

      Jossy has a set of balls. He’s a good man.

      I bet you if the murdering,
      slaughtering, serial gang-raping
      Vandersloot/Kalpoe families of Aruba
      had treated one of Jossy’s relatives
      the way they disrespected Natalee… a
      person’s head would have more effin holes in
      it than a wiffle ball. (see more at AR 15)

    63. mayan_moons on September 26th, 2007 6:12 pm

      #49 please enlighten us on the content of your email’s from Jossy that made you leary of him.

    64. Richard on September 26th, 2007 7:01 pm

      Well, I guess that what matters most is that the family esteem Jossy Mansur and put their trust in him.

    65. disgustedmom on September 26th, 2007 7:40 pm

      #59, yoyo…omg! Where are the 4 horsemen? You’re right on again! Where DID Jossy say cannibals ate Natalee?

      #64, Richard, you’re right…all that matters is if the family trusts him.

      But as for myself, Jossy lost me with the gardener story. It was ridiculous! IMO, that is.

    66. yoyo muffintop on September 26th, 2007 8:06 pm

      Patti – no offense but whatever the truth is, I am pretty sure Natalee being eaten by the cannibals on Aruba is not it.
      If you call that mocking the truth then yes I am mocking the truth.

    67. dave on September 26th, 2007 8:14 pm

      Ah the TROLLS are out in full force. I love it when they bicker amongst themselves. Please do not feed them they are getting restless. What a world we live in to have such pitiful fools.

    68. disgustedmom on September 26th, 2007 8:28 pm

      In 1999 Jossy Mansur and his brother Luis Mansur sued the Netherlands government before the United Nations Human Rights Committee for disseminating what the Aruban government termed a top secret report that claimed that the Mansurs were involved in organized crime. The report by the Dutch Internal Security Service draws a picture of security in Aruba and mentions that foreign services fighting crime in the region are almost unanimous in their opinion that the predominant image of the Aruban business community is one of joint services towards (laundering specialists of) regional drug cartels.[15]

      The report mentions the Mansurs by name and portrays them as criminals who were associated with criminal organizations involved in drugs trafficking, gun trafficking and laundering money obtained from criminal activities. Despite the fact that the report was classified as top secret it was leaked to the press and its contents became public. The suit was dismissed on procedural grounds for failure to exhaust Mansur’s civil remedies in the Netherlands courts.[15]

    69. Patti on September 26th, 2007 10:20 pm


      Gee…. I wonder which “press” leaked it?

      Pesonally, I’m not interested in the battles that go on between the two newspapers that are published on the island. The same people that work for that newspaper are the same ones that attacked Natalee and her reputation. It’s not hard for me to discern between right and wrong. Actions speak LOUDER than words.

      But, I do find it interesting that the lawsuit was dismissed on procedural grounds for FAILURE to EXHAUST Mansur’s civil REMEDIES.

      That, in my opinion, says it all.

    70. mayan_moons on September 26th, 2007 11:36 pm

      Well as far as i know Jossy wasn’t the last person seen leaving C&C’s with Natalee….who never came back. So whatever his or his family past dealings do not concern me.

    71. brie on September 27th, 2007 2:02 am

      I have to agree with Carpe…I think Jossy is a good man…and he tells it like it is…he’s been a friend to Natalee’s family and he keeps us abreast on what’s going on…let me ask, if you had a choice in reading the truth would it been written by Jossy or Julia…! He’s been around along time and he knows what’s going on. Oduber doesn’t like him because Jossy says it, good or bad. It’s the free speech and the only one that Aruba has. I don’t think Jossy is a man that you really want to mess around with…he knows how to kick butt!!! Ask Oduber, the centipede that says, I am sick and tired of this case.

    72. dave on September 27th, 2007 5:43 am

      There’s a reason the TROLLS dislike Jossy. Think about it.

    73. disgustedmom on September 27th, 2007 10:15 am

      #70….well, Rudy Croes, Dennis Jacobs, etc even Paulus Van der Sloot were not the last ones seen leaving with Natalee either, but we disect their pasts just the same. Jossy is immune because why?

      Could it be, as brie says in #71, he keeps the monkeys abreast of what’s going on? (like he’s your buddy or something just because he’s talking to you?…like MedleyRelay believes in the VDS’s because they talk to her?….like Natalee trusted Joran just because he was ‘nice’ to her?)

      You know, I don’t care who down there is helping ‘find’ Natalee, as post #68 said- “The report by the Dutch Internal Security Service (clipped) mentions that foreign services fighting crime in the region are almost unanimous in their opinion that the predominant image of the Aruban business community is one of joint services towards (laundering specialists of) regional drug cartels.” -and the last I read, the Mansurs were part of the business community in Aruba. A very big part of it!

      Such that, and I don’t know if this is true or not, the Mansurs own La Cabanna? Not that that’s any big deal, except Charles Croes said he was going straight there to look for Natalee but abruptly changed his mind. What was that all about? Was it, Stay away from the Mansur interests or Jossy will -to quote brie in #71- “Kick butt”?

      I’m not implying Jossy had anything to do with Natalee’s disappearance! I’m just saying that whole island seems to have ulterior motives in this case, and that makes me suspicious of everyone there in terms of bias, including Jossy in that Jossy might not tell the entire truth any more than anyone else. So to put all one’s faith in him, is, IMO, not wise.

      I mean, come on…what has Jossy’s help contributed to finding Natalee? Natalee’s family is no closer to finding Natalee with all Jossy’s help than they were from day 1. And I mean actually FINDING her. So what’s the big deal about Jossy the Great?

      Brie, in answer to your question – “if you had a choice in reading the truth would it been written by Jossy or Julia”-which would I read…as truth? Neither one. ALL, and I mean ALL, journalism is biased.

      #72….I am NOT a Troll. But perhaps you could tell me what the reason is that a Troll would dislike Jossy. Hm? Or are you just tossing out open-ended fears?

    74. disgustedmom on September 27th, 2007 10:52 am

      #71, brie….“Oduber doesn’t like him because Jossy says it, good or bad. It’s the free speech and the only one that Aruba has.”…then tell me what the following is all about….

      GRACE: Let`s go to Jossy Mansur. Maybe he can help us out. He`s the managing director and editor of “Diario.” Jossy, is it true that the Aruban prime minister told Beth Holloway Twitty, according to this report by Associated Press, that she should be careful regarding her comments about the Aruban judicial system?

      JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, “DIARIO”: I believe he did say something in that sense, but I believe that what he meant was that she should be more reserved in her comments as far as the criticism is concerned towards the Aruban authorities.

      GRACE: Why is that?

      MANSUR: Because he`s the prime minister. This is his government. He presides over five to seven other ministers. And he has a big responsibility towards the public here.

      Sounds to me like Jossy is qualifying Beth not having freedom of speech. Notice Jossy did NOT say it was WRONG and that Beth should be able to call a spade a spade.

      Jossy is a master at wording his remarks, leaving people to ‘make up their own minds’ that he is being helpful. IMO, Jossy and his paper is just one of many spin doctors on Aruba.

      And, like all others involved or assumed involved, if it came down to chosing his own ars over giving up actual proof about Natalee’s disappearance should he find it, I’d bet Jossy would not side with Natalee’s family. I don’t believe he would sacrifice his all for One Little Girl from America.

      Believe me, I wouldn’t expect him to! My point is- Jossy is not a Saint, The Virture of Truth, any stranger’s best friend; and it quite frankly annoys the living crap out of me that anyone would defend him as if he could do no wrong. I don’t get ticky when a source is liked over another source; but calling someone a Troll because said Troll does not lick Jossy’s face and think he’s All That with Cream on just ridiculous.

    75. mayan_moons on September 27th, 2007 10:55 am

      Oh contrare my friend Paules WAS in contact with Natalee just a couple of hours before she is NEVER EVER seen again as was Jurine and only recently did we learn Paules not only had 1 contact….HE HAD 2 CONTACTS WITH HER.

      Jossy didn’t control that did he??

    76. mayan_moons on September 27th, 2007 11:07 am

      And no i don’t know Jossy, never sent or received email with him NOR have i ever been in the loop with people who have.

    77. Mr. Aquila on September 27th, 2007 11:12 am

      IMO Joran is as free as a butterfly until he gets locked up where he belongs. Right now he does what he wants, when he wants. That scum belongs in jail. Until them I am not happy. Some of you may be but I am not. Plus there is no tic-toc. If someone was going to do him in they already would have done it. IMO nobody is that stupid to destroy their life for such a low life. As much as I would like to I value my freedom and I love my family too much to go to jail for that scum.

    78. Patti on September 27th, 2007 11:20 am

      Post #73 – Quote:

      You know, I don’t care who down there is helping ‘find’ Natalee

      Yeah, we know. You’ve already told us that
      when you said that you think Tim Miller is
      nothing but a pawn and pawns rarely put
      kings in checkmate.

      You’re not for us…

      You’re against us…

      Or maybe it’s true…

      You just don’t CARE.

    79. disgustedmom on September 27th, 2007 6:16 pm

      Patti, seriously…go look up the definition of ‘pawn’. I was not attacking Mr Miller.

      And how about you try not to use my words out of context. (re: the CARE remark)

      Now, go have a beer and calm down. :)

    80. Patti on September 27th, 2007 7:27 pm

      For your information…

      I don’t drink beer.

      Besides, I’m not troubled, or upset.

      I’ve seen more than just a few

      of you come and go.

      It doesn’t bother me, anymore… Troll!

    81. Irotama on April 12th, 2010 11:01 am

      This should make everyone feel so secure in Aruba. Maybe the guards are friends with the ones doing it. We know how the system works. Paulus, Straten, Jacobs, Kalpoes, Boeti, Dompig, Arlene, Guido, wink, wink. Are they from Dompig’s security service?

    82. B on January 13th, 2011 6:44 pm

      I came across these posts looking for the hotel
      we had our honeymoon at and seen that it has been abandoned for a couple of years and now a fire and is empty.Thinking about Natalie makes me sad this happenned to her and mad at all the BS and corruption that is going on. When we stayed there we had instances with the security guard constantly watching and following us. To boot the maintenance guy seemed very sketchy doing the same as the security guard. Then the maintenance guy wanted us to come visit his Huge mansion. Which we did not go because we were there for us.
      I also let the manager know we were constantly being watched and he said he is just being friendly. Yeah Right we thought They just wanted to get to know my wife which was creepy.Anyways sorry so long. When I heard about Natally it really made me cringe and thought that could have been us. SO SAD

    83. B on January 13th, 2011 6:49 pm

      boycott aruba

    84. B on January 13th, 2011 6:56 pm

      Natalee Holloway God Bless

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