Aruban Hotel Fire Exercise … It Turned Out that Some Media was still not Informed”


Those that do not learn from history are destined to repeat it. It appears that some in the Aruban media misreported a fire exercise, ala Orson Wells and “War of the Worlds.”

“Despite the fact that in broad circles news got out that it was a fire exercise, it turned out that some media was still not informed.”

At least this time it is not being reported that there was no fire or that security guards or American tourists were responsible.

Amigoe; August 22, 2007: Commotion with fire exercises at Riu

ORANJESTAD – There was a fire exercise at the Riu Hotel around noon yesterday. The fire department decided on the exercise in cooperation with the hotel. They wanted to see what the deployment is supposed to be in case of a real fire. They also wanted to see how the accessibility of the buildings is for the fire engines and the personnel. The fire exercise did cause some commotion though.

Several radio stations, like Canal Nobenta broadcasted that there was fire at the new sugar palace. Despite the fact that in broad circles news got out that it was a fire exercise, it turned out that some media was still not informed.

In order to make the fire look as real as possible, some old outside furniture of the Grand Hotel was set on fire on the upper deck of the parking garage. That caused a whole lot of smoke and this was training material for the fire department to extinguish. During the exercise, the fire department also checked the behavior of the hotel personnel in case of fire and if their effort is adequate to avoid injuries and/or casualties. An exercise at new hotels is very usual for the fire department. The exercise went well and there were no special circumstances.

Posted August 24, 2007 by
Amigoe, Aruba, Bizarre, Media, Travel | 44 comments

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    44 Responses to “Aruban Hotel Fire Exercise … It Turned Out that Some Media was still not Informed””

    1. Carpe Noctem on August 24th, 2007 10:49 am







      …and u can bite the sway dizzle, losers.

      Yayyyyyy!!! -j4n

    2. Miss-Underestimated on August 24th, 2007 11:32 am

      Sounds like something that happened at a hotel that I willnot mention, once the visitors were outside they (whomever) robbed the rooms.

      Expecting a fire Aruba?

    3. Pot Smoker on August 24th, 2007 12:17 pm

      Screw Aruba!!!It’s football friday nite!Go out and support your local team!!!!

    4. Susan on August 24th, 2007 12:49 pm


      Was the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Ann Holloway just an exercise too?!?

      No police department on earth would botch a missing person’s (homicide) case and cover up for a “judge in training” like the “Keystone Koppers” have and continue to do :-( What does Paulass have on ‘em?



    5. houston on August 24th, 2007 1:50 pm

      Nero said: “fire, what fire? There is never any fire in Aruba!” and continues to play…..

    6. arubagirl on August 24th, 2007 3:36 pm

      Ahh, but if there (God forbid) were a real fire and there was no training, this site would be the first to have as a post: “ARUBA DOES NOT TRAIN ITS FIREFIGHTERS!

      Very catchy, Carpe. :-)

    7. Mike on August 24th, 2007 6:28 pm

      I am sure the firefighters are trained just as well as the police and detectives. Take that for what it is worth.

    8. kate on August 24th, 2007 7:03 pm

      Just another example of “Who’s in charge in Aruba?” Who makes these educated decisions? BTW, were the guests notified of this exercise, previous to the arrival of the fire department?

    9. jDoe on August 24th, 2007 7:14 pm

      #7 I agree. I wonder if homeowners on Aruba are asked how much money they have before someone shows up to douse the blaze?

    10. disgustedmom on August 24th, 2007 8:07 pm


      Dumb, setting a real fire around real people just to play training games. WhatEV! Most intelligent places have a special place to learn to put fires out and only run dry runs for timing to real places.

      Any Natalee evidence burned up in that training exercise?

    11. disgustedmom on August 24th, 2007 9:06 pm

      This post isn’t about the fire training, but it’s about Aruba! so I hope no one minds. I wanted to put this here because this is the front page now…..

      There has been a sickening spot in my stomach since this case began that comes from the way the parents of a missing loved one, namely Natalee Ann Holloway, were treated by ALE and Paulus and Joran and all the rest. They don’t get what love means and that makes me additionally sick for what may have become of Natalee by persons who don’t know what love is.

      When a loved one, particularly a child, goes missing the first instinct of a parent is to get to her as quickly as possible in case there is time to save her not just from more pain but from death. As Natalee’s family did not know if Natalee was in distress they were naturally anxious to find out all they could as fast as they could and when met with BS they had no time for, Jug and Beth had no patience for the BS. Who would? As a parent, you’d kick yourself every minute for the rest of your life if you sat by and didn’t do everything you could do only to find out later that there had been time to save your loved one if you’d only acted faster and put up with less BS.

      Natalee’s family tried to get answers to find their daughter as quickly as possible…but what were they met with by those who don’t know love?

      You’re out of your jurisdiction.

      You made me mad with your mean words so now I’m not going to help you anymore.

      I have to eat my frosted flakes and shave before I can talk to you.

      Go have a beer.

      And one my favorites….you’re not acting like normal parents.

      Beth and Jug were accused of being pushy! PUSHY! Natalee was missing and may have needed medical help! Where does pushy play into this? ALE and Paulus and Joran didn’t love Natalee because she was not one of their own. A very sick concept to not love anyone who is not one of your own…and one they and Joran’s fanclub don’t understand when they don’t understand why WE care and keep this going.

      They will never understand it because they are not capable of understanding love for another person who can do nothing to help you..if they could have, Natalee would be with her family and would never have been missing.

      Maybe this should be about fire after all. In HELL!

    12. Carpe Noctem on August 24th, 2007 9:18 pm

      hi arubaagirl…
      Thank you. LOL


      If anyone is interested…
      I found a new pic of
      an X Joran Skank.

      It’s yours if ya want it!

    13. dennisintn on August 24th, 2007 10:12 pm

      #6, i think that would be very important information to know. same as the importance of about local predators with drugs prowling places like c&c’s. too bad they didn’t get that information out to tourists. i’d bet money c&c’s is highly recommended as a watering hole by hotel employees and cabdrivers.

    14. dennisintn on August 25th, 2007 9:00 am

      #11, dm, you’re right on target. i think natalee’s parents could and should be models for the way the parents of missing children should act. the restraint they showed was admirable under the circumstances, and i know if i had been in their shoes, i would have ended up in jail and there would be a few seriously injured or dead arubian and jvds lovers on the “happy” island. no matter how much aruba sympathizers deny it, aruba’s empathy and caring about natalee disappeared from radar as soon as it became apparent that j2k was responsible for her disappearance. the “defend the perps and aruba tourism” attitude became so pervasive and overwhelming in their every action that only the blind, deaf, and non-thinking population couldn’t have been appalled by their actions. actions speak louder than words, aruba showed us all how very little individual little tourist girls ranked with them.

    15. dennisintn on August 25th, 2007 9:22 am

      #14, well, i’ve done it again. lumped all of aruba into the same basket. the love and sincerity and eagerness to help natalee and her family was apparent in most of what we saw and heard from arubian residents. beth and the rest of natalee’s family were so very grateful for the help received from individual arubians and they were very vocal in all the newscasts that i saw. i became dumbfounded when the natalee and beth bashing and “blaming the victim” garbage started showing up and i just couldn’t understand where it was coming from or why it was there at all, or why aruba seemed to jump on beth’s case when she was being so complimentary and grateful to them.
      i could go on and on about this but suffice it to say that sooner or later, there will be treatises and books written about how aruba failed natalee holloway and destroyed it’s tourism and national prestige and honor by trying to keep from admitting it and some of it’s residents aren’t perfect.

    16. minnesota dad on August 25th, 2007 11:00 am

      DennisinTN #14,

      There is a fine line in a cover-up for how to act and I agree that the Holloway-Twittys did about as good as you can.

      You’ll recall when they really started to push the Aruban Law Enforcement about their conduct during this investigation that they were threatened with “they will just stop the investigation” if they don’t back off.

      There was no investigation to begin with. We knew it. The ALE was just playing the game until it went away and didn’t like it when Beth started pointing out that they were doing nothing.

      Unfortunately in the legal world attorneys will advise you to back off and not expose the corruption or else you will get no cooperation and the judges will work against you. In this case, they did it regardless.

      In hindsight, by July of 2005 Beth should have been harping about it was clear there was a cover-up of massive proportions going on in Aruba rather than the JQK tact of “they are working hard and have told us answers will be forthcoming” (they lied….that’s how cover-ups work!).

      It is very clear that the KLPD and ALE have no intentions of bringing Joran and Paulus to justice. Had they really wanted to, they would have retracted Karin Janssen’s letter and reversed/voided the judgement made by Paulus’ judge buddy to release Paulus from this case.

      PAULUS IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE YOUR PERP. The KLPD and ALE are frauds that cannot be trusted.


    17. SMITHERS on August 25th, 2007 2:12 pm

      SM: You just keep dreaming that little dream.


    18. JusticeforNatalee on August 25th, 2007 2:50 pm


      Is it true that Minister of Justice Rudy Croes does
      not even hold a law degree?

    19. Mike on August 25th, 2007 3:42 pm


      The AH would have had to go to school to get a degree.

    20. richard on August 25th, 2007 4:02 pm

      It is said that fire is purifying.

      Aruba deserves one big conflagration. Call it Armageddon if you will. Maybe then renewal can start, if such a place can be renewed.

      But who would want to?

    21. Carpe Noctem on August 25th, 2007 4:21 pm

      I didn’t know that they make polyester
      stretch pants with pretzel
      prints on them!l.

      TRICK OR TREAT!!!!!!

      My money is on THE TRICK!


    22. Allan K on August 25th, 2007 6:59 pm

      Aruba, what a damn attitude. You owe Beth an apology and more. You murdered her daughter or had her sold into sex slavery. Yes all of the islanders murdered her with their actions and inactions.
      Remember, when you made Beth say a tv apology for the people of Aruba. You upheld the murderer saying you are doing all you can do. You were lying and knew it. You knew the island was corrupt but it didn’t bother your lively hood so you didn’t care. Some of you knew about Carlos & Charlies and did nothing. Aruba just a little crappy island full of jerks.

    23. disgustedmom on August 25th, 2007 8:18 pm


      Define ‘Coverup’.

      would a lie be a coverup?

    24. Miss-Underestimated on August 26th, 2007 1:16 am

      Paulus how did you know that Natalee would never be found?

      no body no crime? What made you so confident to make that statement.

      If your son is not guilty I would think you would say, Oh don’t worry, when they find her alive you’ll be cleared, but no that is not what you said. You have made your legacy along with Dompig. What do you suppose people are whispering behind your backs? I wonder how many people wtih daughters shudder at your appearance?

    25. Steven on August 26th, 2007 6:06 am

      Who was also allowed back to school?
      And what do Aruba and Indonesia have in common?

    26. disgustedmom on August 26th, 2007 12:34 pm


      I read that article. Sick for sure!

      They hid the child in different locations for DAYS!

      So what do you think if Natalee had been moved about alive and hidden for days, where might she have been hidden (after the VDS house of course)?

      Well…where did Charles Croes start to go at first to find Natalee but abruptly changed his mind?

      La Cabanna

      And look what I found by a tourist to the island late June 2005….

      OK, I’ll post the quote but first a slight intro…the tourist had a time share at La Cabanna and she wanted to stay past her allotted time. She said when you want to stay longer at La Cabanna than your timeshare time, you get put in the Villas. But when she tried to get a room there, even as there is most usually a vacancy, she could not. It seems there had been an EMERGENCY and all the rooms were full up. The emergency was a SUDDEN GROUNDING OF A CHARTER PLANE FLIGHT that had happened at an UNSPECIFIED TIME PRIOR TO JUNE 25, and the passengers were put at the Villas.

      The staff at La Cabanna ‘was not sure of the status of the rooms’ at the Villas, and they still weren’t sure the next day. All this ‘unsure if they could give her a room’ at the time she was asking for it is just weird. I mean, ok so they might be unsure if they weren’t sure when the plane was going to be ready, HOWEVER, they ended up EVICTING one couple from a room so this chick could have it on June 26…so that makes no sense…if the plane was not ready then why evict someone who had been given a room while it was made ready? And if this couple was not among those of the grounded plane, then they surely must have had a check-out date, so why the ‘unsure of the room availability’?….seems all visitors except the grounded ones would have a check-out day, so there should have been SOME IDEA if there would be an open room for this lady.

      They said she could have a room on June 26, but the room was not ready until late that afternoon. The staff did not have any idea what time that day the room would be available, and as I already mentioned, the couple had to be EVICTED all of a sudden….and the staff evicted them in SPANISH –which could be weird or not.

      Now what’s makes this interesting to me, coupled with CC’s interest in La Cabanna, is this timeline:

      Steve Croes detained: FRI. JUNE 17, 2005
      Paulus gets arrested on THURS. JUNE 23rd, 2005
      Both p & s get released on SUN. JUNE 26TH, 2005

      So what if Natalee was put at the Villas for a while about that time Paulus was arrested on June 23 because he was not going to be able to take care of her while he was in jail? (enter possible lie about a grounded charter flight OR was that the flight Natalee was put on?) And she was moved again after Paulus got out on June 26? (perhaps on that charter flight)And what if the reason the staff was ‘unsure’ was because they had to WAIT to hear when they could rent rooms out again, as in when Paulus got free so he could take Natalee back? You never know. Strange emergency and the alleged plane was apparently not ready to take off real fast. Was there really a grounding of a charter flight that involved keeping tourists on the island several days? Or did they not want anyone in there for some other reason, like because of the comings and goings of people involved with Natalee while Paulus was in jail?

      The thing about Charles Croes initially thinking to drive to La Cabana, then not doing it, makes me wonder if these Villas are often used for holding people and CC knew it or something. Anyhow…the quote:

      I still can’t get the Vantaha phone card to work at LaCabana. I am quite sure that LaCabana has some how figured out how to ensure that you can’t use the card. Every time I try and use the phone card in my suite, I can’t get through as the line is always busy. I went to the waterfall pool in the Villa section and finished Velocity by Dean Koontz. A great vacation read. I had lunch in the time share. Salami, smoked Gouda with some chips and soda. I hung at the beach and racquet club pool. I also walked the beach and had several dips on the ocean. The weather has been fantastic so far. Clear and not a cloud in the sky. Trade winds were present and welcome as always. I didn’t feel like driving to Marina Pirada tonight so instead I made reservations for Madame Jeanette at 7:00 P. M. Tomorrow I will be moving from the beach and racquet club to the Villa so I started packing the luggage back before cocktail hour.
      I did not feel rushed and even had a second Balashi beer. I drove back the short distance to LaCabana. I went to the front desk and tried to get an unoccupied room at the Villas so I could move early in the morning. I did this two years ago and it worked great. No such luck. I was told that a charter flight had mechanical problems so the passengers were being housed in the Villas. Now I am looking at the endless waiting tomorrow morning to move over to the Villas. I went back to the suite and finished packing. I started reading Honeymoon by James Patterson.

      I had breakfast the suite. I called down to the desk at 9:00 A. M. They were unsure of the status of my room at the Villas and I was told to call back in an hour. Now the fun begins. LOL. I went down to the pool and hung out. I kept checking on the availability of my room at the Villas. They were unsure whether or not the occupants had vacated. I had my bags taken to storage and food items put in a refrigerator. I finally got to my room in the Villas 5579 at 12:30 P.M. Of course, there was a couple still in the room. The maid and the bellman told them that they had to vacate in Spanish. I dropped my bags and put the food in the frig. The room was cleaned and ready by 2:00 P. M. I unpacked and had some left over Dutch fried potatoes and bread from Madame Janette for a late lunch. I did get a couple of pictures of a vandalized Divi Divi tree as well as the good one on the beach at the Amsterdam Manor.

    27. maria on August 26th, 2007 1:35 pm

      Since the case was slow I happened to be searching some old blogs. I found this but it was too long to post. It makes for interesting reading see Bonnies post – it’s #14. It mentions things that were discussed here as well a a dirt road with a house for sale that could possibly be house of rave. Some interesting comments about the corruption in Aruba as well.

    28. Carpe Noctem on August 26th, 2007 1:39 pm

      Paulus is a limp wristed, poor excuse for

      a man, (and ladies, plz pardon my French)

      … a chronic, supersonic,

      knee lnockin’, pu$$y.

      (maybe it happened this way)

      He paid someone, possibly Steve Croes,

      to take Natalee out as far as he/they

      could, and dump her into the ocean.

      Paulus & company had her all packed up and

      ready to go, bagged, and lying in the bottom

      of MARRIOTT BASIN / VIDEO 24. It wasn’t too much

      work, because Joran had already buried her near

      the FISHERMAN HUTS, possibly where they raped her.

      The word must have leaked out

      somehow about the bag in

      the basin… An employee from TOP 95 RADIO drove

      by and recorded the bag

      on a camera phone that has some of the

      $hittie$st resolution I have ever seen. LOL

      To make matters worse, this person didn’t try to

      look into the bag, they just shot the

      footage and hauled a$$. I was once asked…

      “why wouldn’t someone explore the bag contents


      ANSWER: Because in Aruba, when u poke your nose

      into places it doesn’t belong, you’ll get

      it smashed in with a baseball bat. The next time

      you blow your nose, you’ll have to move your

      ear first. (see more at Pitbull)


      One can better pinpoint the

      exact date that Paul had it done, all you have

      to do is open your eyes and ears, and be an

      astute observer.

      After he completed the transaction to

      have her transported from the #24 Marriott Basin

      out to sea to be dumped…… it is at that

      moment, Paulus

      Vandersloot apparently located his BALLS

      again, and put ‘em back in his underwear where

      they belong. Which day did Paul start acting like

      a cocky, lying, racist prick again?

      In other words,

      which day was it that he started acting like the

      same ol’ Paull again???

      Can one pinpoint the exact

      date? (Sure ya can.. -Mr. Rogers)

      It was somewhere around the time when PVDS was

      trying to sue for jail access to that

      desiccated, lunatic, psychotic turd

      ball of a son of his. Paulus had an URGENT

      message to get through,

      Don’t confess, no body no crime!

      Next, Steve Croes gets arrested,

      and then Paulus DRIVIES HIMSELF IN

      to be arrested. They were opening up lines of

      communication, speaking in person, so nobody

      would have phone records or recordings of exactly

      how they were planning to get Joran’s

      a$$ out of a sling.

      Why would VanderStraaten do this for Paulus?


      1. Cuz he’s an effing moron.

      2. He and Paulus believed Joran when he said
      the sex was consensual, and she simply OD’d

      3. Please see #1 again.

      4. Jan is Joran’s godfather, they’ve been family friends for years.

      So, now you have TEAM SABOTAGE. On the outside,

      you have that deranged, galumphing, Keebler

      elfin pant wearing,

      hippo-effing-potamus of

      a mother of Joran’s… On the . inside,

      they are all communicating with

      one another face to face,

      only person to person,



      That was the goal they

      were working towards behind the scenes.

      The only documents or recordings

      released, were the ones that they WANTED US TO SEE and cleared.


      Hey P,

      I cannot believe you did this to your son.

      I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if I heard on the news next week that you and Joran turned up with holes in your heads, stuffed down in a dumpster.

      You actually deserve 3 to your melon,
      you’re a complete wasre…

      but Joran is young.

      He could have done his time, changed his ways, & rebuilt his life. He might have had another chance!

      I find you to be so indescribably awful!!!! Everytime I think of you, I gag a little,
      and get that liquid burp in the mouth
      thing goin’ on. You ever get that?

      Hey, enjoy the new video, a$$hole.


      -Justice for Natalee!


    29. Nut44x4 on August 26th, 2007 5:51 pm

      I hear ya Carpe…those sour burps are disgusting!!

    30. Carpe Noctem on August 27th, 2007 12:21 am

      LOL, you ain’t kiddin, Nut. :)


      Some new additions & guides from

      my 24 VIDEO slide collection.

      Marriott Basin, Palm Beach, Aruba

      Time count:

      2 minutes and 47 seconds.

    31. Richard on August 27th, 2007 10:10 am

      DisgustedMom … I don’t find it at all implausible that Natalee was held captive, either because someone had other plans for her or because her assailants knew that she wasn’t going to meekly do what she was told and keep her mouth shut, like some of the Aruban girls whom Joran and crew drugged and assaulted might have done.

      Someone would have had enough brains to know that Natalee wouldn’t give in.

      But again, it seems to me more likely that she was kept in some private house (such as Lorenzo’s), or drugged up in a crack house (where the locals wouldn’t give a damn who she was) or cheap motel that drug couriers use …

      … or perhaps on a boat.

      And, of course, we know that there are private planes at the Aruba airport. Does anyone doubt that Natalee could have been put on a plane without security noticing? I don’t.

      Needless to say, none of these surmises proves anything. But the fact that “professionals” like Art Wood and Tim Miller are convinced that they have the answer, the one and only answer, doesn’t mean that they do.

      Hopefully we will learn more when the elusive water search is at last carried out … even if what we learn is that Natalee is not in the water.

    32. Richard on August 27th, 2007 10:13 am

      Look at all the articles on pedophiles that are appearing on this blog alone. Is it so hard to imagine that attractive teen girls (the cliched “blond Americans”) might be the objects of similar plans?

      And is it so hard to think that anti-American sentiment might be a factor in certain cases?
      Such as Caribbean islands infested with drug lords and the sex trade?

      Again, these are surmises only; but sometimes the obvious answer is not the right one.

    33. JusticeforNatalee on August 27th, 2007 12:09 pm


      VolunteersforNatalee@gmail is no longer
      a valid account. It was the victim of a phishing attack.

      The new address for info/suggestions about the travel show


    34. richard on August 27th, 2007 2:28 pm

      Thanks for posting that, J4N. Anyone who gets anything from the old Gmail account should simply kill it off as spam.

    35. Carpe Noctem on August 27th, 2007 5:51 pm

      “If she were to be found, I’d think I would hate her.”

      -Joran Interview on ABC with Chris Cuomo

      That statement never meant as much to me, as it
      did reading it today… especially, after going over Marriott Basin shots.

      It hit me! Natalee really appears (from certain
      marks on her) to have put up quite a fight.

      I think the reason why he’d hate her, is because

      she damn near kicked his a$$ getting away!


      Please do us all a favor and have your rabid

      husband and son put to sleep on your

      next visit to see the Vet Clinic!

      Aruba will thank you for it. I am

      pretty sure America and Holland would be right


      The gang-raping, innocent teenage girl
      murdering, Vandersoots of Aruba…

      A terminal condition; there is no known cure.

      It’s the point of no return!

      Justice 4 Natalee!

      Boycott Atuba

    36. disgustedmom on August 27th, 2007 7:50 pm

      I was talking to a friend today about gangs in general and he was saying how initiation into gangs these days require the new person to commit an insensitive and/or cruel act upon a completely innocent person. The type of act to be committed depends on the type of gang it is, such that a pimp gang might require the new member to rape an unsuspecting innocent female.

      So I got to thinking about Joran’s younger brother, the middle child who it has been noted has been hanging about with Joran’s pimp gang and basically following in Joran’s footsteps (as opposed to what is said about the youngest one who is completely the opposite). This bro was on the computer THAT NIGHT!

      Could he have been involved?

      Shango or Simian-whichever, mentions the Younger VDS…and we assume he meant Joran as he is younger than Paulus..but what if he meant that middle child? And S or S also call him the Lamb…which is a sheep which is a follower which Joran is NOT.

      Then S or S also refer to a scapegoat and it seems that is Joran…so is Joran a scapegoat for his little bro? And could Natalee have been lured away to be raped by the middle kid as an initiation into the Pimps? I mean, maybe you have to lose your own virginity to get in?

    37. disgustedmom on August 27th, 2007 8:04 pm

      Let me add to my last post….

      If Joran had raped Natalee, it would be his word against hers if it was consensual, and we all know whose word ALE would take. But how could anyone explain away the DNA of the younger VDS? Especially if she were alive and able to tell?

    38. brie on August 27th, 2007 8:51 pm

      #36…disgustedmom….I too, wonder about middle aged bro…also, to be exact, where was Paulus that night….no inquiries as to his timeline…that’s because it involved the case….Joran has scratches on his face that morning…..that was from Natalee…doesn’t catch the bus at home that morning…can’t sit in a classroom that day…because of what he had done that morning….doesn’t want to answer why he looks the way he does…. but yet, we can play tennis after school and go gambling that night with Guildo……

    39. disgustedmom on August 27th, 2007 11:34 pm

      Brie, this whole thing is a family affair if you ask me.

      Where is Paulus’s timeline that night? Besides that he was out at the ATM after the call went to the MB kid’s voicemail..the call that was said to have come from Natalee…the one that sent Beth thinking Natalee had been kidnapped. Besides that he was up too that night on the computer. Besides that early on it was said (and then taken back) that Paulus got a call from Joran from Santa Cruz area about 4AM.

      And Anita? You gotta wonder if she was ever in Holland that weekend. Or if she really came back with Paulus on May 29. Maybe she was Natalee sitting for a couple days.

      I don’t trust the whole lot of the VDS’s. Any mother who condones letting teenage girls sleep over in the bedroom of her teenage son is naive or a pervert. Given that she’s a teacher you’d think she wouldn’t want that to go on in her home under her guiding eye. Fine example of a responsible adult.

    40. brie on August 28th, 2007 12:10 am

      The bottom line………..Natalee was packed, organized and ready to come home….until Joran appeared…Paulus was out on the prow…he has no witnesses to his timeline….Anita was away…but she found out what happened….when she came home the beach story appeared….your delicious sporter is mold…..he’s cruel to everyone in your family, including your pet….you don’t want to accept the responsibility for raising the psychopath…who would want Anita teaching their children in school….

    41. brie on August 28th, 2007 1:43 am

      I think the whole family of VDS’S is perverted…..Maybe Anita was home…but I doubt it….She was away and Paulus was out…not wanting Anita to know…..!!!Teenage girls sleeping over in the apartment with Joran…fine example….where are the parents!!!!

    42. Richard on August 28th, 2007 9:21 am

      Interesting article, this … anyone remember that Dave Holloway, in his book “Aruba,” talked about rumors that girls had been drugged and held captive on certain islands in the Caribbean?

      Of course, it’s too melodramatic to be possible.

      Then again, as this shows, at least some drug lords do indeed control some real estate there:,drug082807.article

      Drug lord’s private island seized
      August 28, 2007

      BOGOTA, Colombia—- Colombia said Monday it has seized a private Caribbean island and hundreds of other properties allegedly used by powerful cocaine trafficker to launder millions of dollars in drug profits.

      Juan Carlos Ramirez Abadia was arrested in a luxury condominium on the outskirts of Sao Paulo, Brazil, on Aug. 7. He faces three U.S. federal indictments on drug and racketeering charges, and U.S. officials have said they plan to seek his extradition.

      Colombian authorities said they seized 300 properties across the country — including farms, apartments, empty lots, a hotel and gymnasium — worth about $400 million.

      They also seized a private island near the Caribbean tourist city of Cartagena, four cars and 18 private businesses, among them a travel agency and real estate company. They gave no details on the island.

      Ramirez Abadia, 44, said in an interview Sunday night with TV Globo’s Fantastico news and entertainment program — Brazil’s most popular — that his arrest will not affect drug trafficking.

      ”From all the people who started with me in this business several years ago, there are only two or three left. The rest either died or were extradited,” he said. ”I’m in prison but there are people replacing me, then there will be others. It will never end.”

      Even while acknowledging his involvement in Colombia’s lucrative cocaine trade, Ramirez Abadia vowed not to testify against his former partners if he is extradited to the United States .

      ”I’m not going to make any deals,” he said. ”I’ll assume responsibility for my problems alone.”

      Ramirez Abadia — nicknamed ”Chupeta,” or lollipop in Colombian Spanish — is considered one of the ringleaders of the Norte del Valle drug cartel, Colombia’s most powerful. The United States had offered a $5 million reward for his capture.

      In 1996 he was sentenced to 13 years in prison in Colombia on a drug conviction, but was released in 2001.

      In January, authorities confiscated $90 million in various currencies that Ramirez Abadia had allegedly stashed in safe houses in the southern city of Cali, near the cartel’s base.

    43. Richard on August 28th, 2007 9:23 am

      Think about it … this guy had some $90 million lying around. Just spare cash. I don’t know about you, but to me that’s a lot of money.

      Enough to buy an American girl and to persuade people to keep quiet about it … except we know that this sort of thing can’t happen to Americans.

      Don’t we?

    44. disgustedmom on August 28th, 2007 12:17 pm

      This link:

      seems to be something Dr Phil had done? Just look at all the work he did…how many people he- or rather his PI questioned for days…..and in the end Dr Phil believed Natalee was alive and had been kidnapped for sex slavery. Does make you wonder.

      FBI involvement…or lack thereof….I would not rule out that if Natalee were taken for the trade she could be in the USA somewhere, and maybe ALE and Aruban Gov’t knew that if they let the FBI get involved they would find out a link to the USA after which the FBI would have complete control and the whole mess would be blown wide open with nothing ARuba could do about it!

      That phone call Beth got…not the orginal one that set her on the kidnapping idea….the one she talked about on Dr Phil that had a weak voice of Natalee, sounds like Natalee was alive somewhere she was not free to talk.

      And let’s not forget the letters that were mailed to the FBI, PVDS and others allegedly from Natalee saying she was fine and just basically wanted to be left alone. Then right after that Tim Miller gets that letter about his own daughter made up of cut-out words and letters.

      Someone is having a great time aggravating the family and the people who are involved in searching for Natalee. I just wonder why PVDS got one?

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