ARUBA – Breaking news – Bone found North side of island!

 

24ora is reporting that a human bone has washed ashore on the north side of the island this morning.  It may have washed ashore do to the rough seas. 

We will continue to monitor this story for updates.

 http://www.24ora.com/content/view/1840/8/#jc_allComments

Photo of the “baby” natural bridge near the old natural bridge that collapsed on the north end of the island:

 Baby Bridge

Update:

UPDATE II

There has been no official update and no update on the 24ora site.  There has been mention in the local papers that the bones are possibly from crew members of an ancient ship wreck over 100 years old. 

Posted August 18, 2007 by
Aruba, Main, Natalee Holloway | 128 comments


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  • Comments

    128 Responses to “ARUBA – Breaking news – Bone found North side of island!”

    1. Sherry on August 18th, 2007 3:28 pm

      Trouble is that bone is going to go for forensic testing in Holland and we shall never hear from it again…:/

    2. Meee on August 18th, 2007 3:57 pm

      Sherry you hit the nail right on the head

    3. ben on August 18th, 2007 4:21 pm

      I live five miles from Carolina Beach North Carolina ,Now and then people drown and it may take a day or two before the body is recovered,each time the body they found is the person they are looking for.Now the question is has Aruba had any drownings since natalee vanished.If not questions need to be asked.

    4. brie on August 18th, 2007 5:03 pm

      Sometimes I think forensic evidence never made it to Holland….Aruba decided otherwise….nope, not evidence…

    5. Houston on August 18th, 2007 5:12 pm

      Holland?…I guess you guys are right, we have been down this road before, bones found, bones lost. There are probably a lot of people who disapprear around Nightmare Island (Aruba).

    6. jim on August 18th, 2007 6:18 pm

      when is tess checkin water anybody know ?

    7. Kat_Gram on August 18th, 2007 6:25 pm

      Well, it could be a donkey bone. What are the chances ? And who said it was human ?
      And who does the testing ?
      We will probably never hear the outcome of this one.

    8. Maggie on August 18th, 2007 6:31 pm

      Isn’t this where Dompig claimed over a year ago he got a tip that Natalee was buried here twice and they brought in dogs and equipment poking holes in the ground and running equipment above that they said would pick up human remains if they were buried? They spent a week or so going over all of it with equipment? He got the tip in January went out and announced it over and over on tv and didn’t search until end of March or so.

    9. Carpe Noctem on August 18th, 2007 6:47 pm

      archived post from
      the Internet
      ….

      OK, let’s talk turkey here. If you have been looking over the posts on this blog, then you know this is certainly more than just the fact that he (TJ WARD) doesn’t have a work permit, but those are the legal reasons for sending him off the island. The facts are he is falsifying evidence for self -glorification, that he pitched himself to the Twittys and is using their grief to turn a profit, and is harassing the locals, when he was probably warned not to do so when he arrived back on the island. Those are the moral reasons why he is being requested to leave, and will be placed on a plane when he is found. He will not be the first American that has been deported for working without a permit.

      *********
      All these press people, and the Twittys are here at the sufferance of the Aruban government and people. Though Greta kept repeating over and over, “oh here is someone who is helping the Twittys,”

      *********
      I haven’t seen how he is helping the Twittys at all and neither does Dan. As I said before, if he had proven to be an ethical investigator and turned up some real, undoctored evidence, I am certain they wouldn’t be taking the steps they are now. It is most likely that none of these people have work permits, and I think the government has been very tolerant, considering how often it has been maligned by the press. T.J. Ward has been harassing people and there have been many complaints. He is representing himself to unsophisticated people as an investigative authority, and probably using some strong arm tactics, and that will only get him a ticket off the island.

      Posted by: scubajap | Thursday, August 04, 2005 at 02:37 AM

      Actually, barnaguy, having Dave doing some questioning if he thinks it will help is not a bad idea, he would have the sympathy of the people.
      I really think that at this time they are not going to get much information. If the people hadn’t come forward already, and the police did get about 5000 phone calls in the first two week after Natalee’s disappearance, I doubt they’ll find much new now. I am not exaggerating about the phone calls, without giving too much away, I am in a position to get a lot of first hand information, but be warned, local papers are not a good source, and I don’t believe anything anymore unless I see a police report in black and white. Everything is he said this and he said that or “Beth said so and so said this” and though I have complete sympathy for the women, it has also been proven her statements aren’t always reliable. We are all pretty confused here about what to think, also.

      Posted by: scubajap | Thursday, August 04, 2005 at 01:22 AM —riehlworldview

      All you ever wanted to know about that no good, flea bag,chewed up, spit out, Natalee Holloway family hating, two-bit, Aruban hooker named:

      “ScubaJap”

      ….

      http://tinyurl.com/35w9jz

      http://tinyurl.com/2kc5wf

      http://tinyurl.com/yttfpj

      -j4n

      ….

      …….

    10. Carpe Noctem on August 18th, 2007 6:51 pm

      I so hold out hope for a miracle for
      Natalee’s family. They are so
      long overdue for one!

      I pray daily in hopes to get
      one shipped their way marked
      “Priority Overnight.” -j4n

    11. Maggie on August 18th, 2007 7:05 pm

      Ok after seeing the map it isn’t the same place.

    12. Susan on August 18th, 2007 7:49 pm

      I’d have to agree with all of you who think the bone (if it is a human bone) will conveniently disappear or will be destroyed just like all other evidence :-( Obstruction of justice? You bet it is!!

      BOYCOTT ARUBA AND HOLLAND TIL HELL FREEZES OVER OR UNTIL NATALEE’S DISAPPEARANCE IS SOLVED AND SHE IS RETURNED HOME!!

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE :-)

    13. Robert on August 18th, 2007 8:11 pm

      jim on August 18th, 2007 6:18 pm
      “when is tess checkin water anybody know ?”

      Yes, I’ld like to know as well!

    14. Vicki on August 18th, 2007 8:23 pm

      HOLD ON A MINUTE-ISNT THIS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN PRAYING FOR FOR ANSWERS…IF ITS NEWS FROM ARUBA I WELCOME IT…PLEASE LET US GET ANSWERS GOD AND LETS GET PEACR FOR EVERYONE

    15. Carpe Noctem on August 18th, 2007 8:50 pm

      Robert,

      > TES Trip

      I think it was mentioned earlier that

      it has been postponed until fall.

      Say October-ish?

    16. buster on August 18th, 2007 9:13 pm

      My guess:

      The bone was from a Male and there are no men missing in aruba so the bone was disposed of.

      What ever story that comes out of aruba will stink or smell like urin
      Let’s all hope this to be the big miracle !!!
      Hey suspects are ya all sleeping O.K. ???

    17. Allan K on August 18th, 2007 9:23 pm

      Aruba is unable to to tell the truth about anything.
      Thanks for the extra info on Scubajap spawned from Hell.

    18. Robert on August 18th, 2007 9:29 pm

      Hi Carpe,

      Thnx for your respons!
      I haven’t read all or not even very much of the Replies lately. So I missed that. It’s a petty. I had hoped it had started by now, so… Well, better late than never.

      Heading for bed now, it’s 3.30 in the night so…

      Have a nice evening (or night if you go out). A dios.

    19. Janet/Tamikosmom on August 18th, 2007 10:04 pm

      DIARIO Aruba
      10/29/2005

      ORANJESTAD (AAN): There has been a lot of cristicism about the fact that a tourist found something resembling a human bone on the beach a little to the North of the Fisherman’s Huts and that after handing it over to police…he heard nothing more of it. A few American TV channels questioned this day and night and no one in Aruba wanted to give a response.

      There are now details relating to this issue. It is now known that the bone was found around the boat Baboo II in Malmok. Apparently a person discovered the bone and had indications that it could be human.

      The discovered bone was handed over to High Commissioner Ronnie Bernadina in connection to the disappearance of the American student, Natalee Holloway.

      It is known that for some months there has been an investigation about the location of the American girl. Related to this, there have been a few detention while all of these suspects have now been set free.

      Searches on our island have been organized by foreigners and also locals. They have presented themselves with sophisticated machines to look in certain areas of the sea for any trace. However, so far no trace has been found.

      Nevertheless, Natalee’s family continues to search because they want to find where their daughter is located.

      The bone that was previously found, according to reports, was examined by local experts to verify if it could be part of a human being. According to reports, the bone could be a few months or years old, but experts will be able to determine this based on their investigation which is taking place in the institute located in Rijks Laboratorium in Holland.

    20. Janet/Tamikosmom on August 18th, 2007 10:05 pm

      Paul Reyolds – Natalee’s Uncle
      PAULA ZAHN
      July 14, 2005

      REYNOLDS: Right, the Van Der Sloot’s private property, which I think is a very important area to be searched.

      And then tonight, in talking to EquuSearch, I have found out that last week, I think it was last Wednesday, that two tourists were scuba diving and found two bones, which they turned over to the police a week ago. The police have done nothing with that. They did not notify EquuSearch, the search team who had forensic divers on the island at that time. What a perfect opportunity for them to go investigate that site.

      But their response as to why they’ve done nothing with those bones in over a week was because the person that could examine them was unavailable, on vacation or out of the country or something of that nature. Unbelievable! I just hate to think that the entire investigation is being handled in that same manner.

      ZAHN: Paul, we haven’t been able to independently confirm what you’re saying tonight. But what would be the motivation of the Aruban government to hold back in the investigation of these bones, above and beyond the fact that they say the guy that does this kind of work is on vacation?

      REYNOLDS: You know it’s hard to say. When you keep saying things like that, you know we’ve talked in the past about inexperience. But sometimes you have to wonder if it’s a design and you know we’re not sure who’s making these decisions, but it’s certainly hindering the investigation.

    21. Janet/Tamikosmom on August 18th, 2007 10:19 pm

      Date: November 1,2005

      To: Theresa Croes Fernandez-Pedra
      Attorney General Of Aruba
      Havenstrat 2
      Orangestad,Aruba

      From Arthur F. Wood
      Dave and Robin Holloway
      Beth and Jug Twitty

      Dear Attorney General:

      In early July 2005, a tourist found a bone on the beach with flesh intact, just south of the California lighthouse area. The tourist advised that the bone, which appeared to be a shoulder bone, was turned into the Noord Police Station.

      This tourist contacted Dave Holloway approximately ten days after giving the bone to the Noord Police to inquire as to the results of the find. Dave Holloway was unaware that a bone had been found and advised the tourist to contact the Noord Police Station for the results. He also inquired the FBI as to what they had been told about the bone. The FBI told Dave that they had heard nothing about a bone being found and that the Aruban Investigative team was unaware of a bone being found.

      Further inquiry only added to the confusion regarding this bone as Dennis Jacobs said that a donkey bone and a fish bone were found. Another investigator from the team advised that a human bone was found but that it was to old to have been from Natalee.

      In August, I asked Roy Tromp about the bone and he said he was unaware of any bone being found.

      It is not hard for one to imagine the uncertainty in the mind of a parent searching for his missing daughter, hearing that a bone was found, contacting the investigative team and being given an array of confusing answers. The question in Dave Holloway’s mind remains. Was the bone that the tourist found and thought of as a human shoulder bone ever taken to the medical examiner? Was it photographed, Where is it now, and could it have been from Natalee Holloway?

      Sincerley,
      Arthur E. Wood

      Signed and in agreement
      Dave Holloway
      Robin Holloway
      Beth Twitty
      Jug Twitty

      copy to:

      The Honorable Nelson Oduber, Prime Miniser of Aruba
      Rudy Croes Minister of Justice Aruba
      Helen Lejuez ( attorney for Beth Twitty)
      Vinda DeSousa ( attorney for Dave Holloway)
      The Honorable Bob Riley, Governor of Alabama
      Condoleesa Rice, U.S. Secretary of State.

    22. Janet/Tamikosmom on August 18th, 2007 10:26 pm

      Note: The above is only an excerpt taken from the letter that Art Wood sent to the Attorney General of Aruba on behalf of Dave, Robin, Beth and Jug … the letter requesting that the Natalee Holloway investigation team be replaced.

    23. disgustedmom on August 18th, 2007 10:30 pm

      I smell a hoax. This is way too convenient timing.

      You know, you don’t hear about bones washing ashore so much in other places as you do in Aruba.

      Wierd.

    24. brie on August 18th, 2007 10:54 pm

      Aruba, the bone yard!!!!

      They will probably say something new…prehistoric, ancient dinosaur bone……found!!!!

      Who knows….maybe a good clue…that side of the island where the bone washed up is where Aruba feeds the sharks to keep them away from the beaches……Joran has always said, “You will never find her”…..but then again, he lies and he lies and he lies!!!!!!

    25. hotshot on August 19th, 2007 12:12 am

      well I see postings from US people are not making it onto the http://www.24ora.com/content/view/1840/8/#jc_allComments site. As a matter of fact they are making fun of the bone found. Very Sad!

    26. disgustedmom on August 19th, 2007 1:41 am

      #25…many, many heartless people in this world….desensitized from years of pain they need to hide from, no doubt. Some feel sorry for that sort…not me…I think if they are old enough to type they are old enough to get over whatever made them heartless and buck up.

      Seriously, these malfunctioning beings find humor in the pain of others, but let it be their pain and they’d squeal like a stuck pig.

      Karma, you have work to do!

    27. Patti on August 19th, 2007 2:05 am

      It’s hard not to get a little excited. I don’t know who it was that said that maybe this hurricane would toss something up from the bottom. But, at the same time knowing that it’s Aruba and the Netherlands that we’re talking about self preservation says wait it out.

      I agree with Carpe – the family needs a miracle. Light the candles.

    28. Betty on August 19th, 2007 2:46 am

      If my memory is right, I do believe a photo of the bone was on this sight.. correct me if I am wrong.

    29. Stan on August 19th, 2007 5:55 am

      Dude…not everything is about nathalee holloway…give it up..the world had bigger fish to fry…
      you say that postings from the us dont make it on the 24ora website..
      what about the postings from arubians on this website…they dont make it here either….
      I dare the webmaster to leave this posting
      _____________
      SM: What were you saying troll?
      How would you know what makes it or not? Say something intelligent that is not just an insult or vile hate and you too shall appear in comments. Funny how that happens.
      R

    30. Sharon/TX on August 19th, 2007 6:26 am

      There sure are a lot of bones washing up on this “Happy Island.” It would be interesting to see if this bone matched the other bone that washed ashore…. but we don’t even know if it was turned in or tested. The longer this goes on, the creepier this place sounds. My prayers continue for Natalee’s family, for answers and for truth.

    31. Katablog on August 19th, 2007 9:42 am

      I see two possibilities with this discovery:

      1. It will turn out to be from a Giraffe this time

      2. Aruba will use this to admit Natalee is dead, but of course won’t have enough forensic evidence to arrest anyone.

      Unfortunately, Aruba might attempt to return Natalee to her family bit by bit to try to ward off criticism but will never have enough evidence to do anything to those who raped and murdered her. Mind you not because they don’t have the evidence but rather because they won’t bring it forward.

    32. Vicki on August 19th, 2007 10:04 am

      Im thinking this is the same bone that they have had for well over a year and a half…but like I said…the family needs closer, to know one way or the other…if they now want to bring it out of hiding[the bone I mean]and say-Oh look here…then I for one welcome it. At least we will all know. Let God punish the perps..because he will punish them.. and as angry as I get…and believe me I do get angry and want to torture some ppl..I will let God deal with them that hurt Natalee..just want answers…

    33. disgustedmom on August 19th, 2007 10:13 am

      #31, I was thinking the same thing.

      They want to put this case to bed really badly. Nice way to do it without having to reel anyone in for the crime. She drowned….oh, ok, bye.

    34. dennisintn on August 19th, 2007 10:20 am

      #29, bless your little heart, stan. feel free to spend all your time frying your bigger fish. bye, now, y’all come back when you’re feeling better.
      dennisintn

    35. kate on August 19th, 2007 10:54 am

      #31 might be right. That bone may have been planted to be found, with the intent to give her remains back to the family, in hopes of closure. But, Aruba is still burying its head in its own sand if they think Americans will forget that the perps were permitted to walk away.

    36. Carol Armstrong on August 19th, 2007 11:00 am

      Why didn’t the person who found the bone express mail it to the Holloway’s attorney instead of turning it over to the Aruban authorities?

      Finder’s keepers.

    37. Carpe Noctem on August 19th, 2007 11:37 am

      Heyyyy…

      The bone very well could belong to Hugo Chavez if it was found off shore of Joran “I’m a murdering, rapist” Vandersloot’s T. Ball Island!

      ….

      8/16/2007 – amigoe

      Chávez: The seas all the way
      to the Greater Antilles are Venezuela’s

      WILLEMSTAD – By order of the National Government, director Dito Mendes de Gouveia of Foreign Affairs Administration (DBB) in Willemstad has asked the ministry of Foreign Affairs in The Hague for advice on the most recent statements of the Venezuelan president, Hugo Chavez, who while addressing the Venezuelan parliament – la Asamblea Nacional – indicated that his country can claim everything that lies within 200 nautical miles from Venezuela.

      Around noon, Mendes declared before Z86 that he cannot imagine that with this, Chavez is targeting the Neth.Antilles. There are ratified treaties on sea-borders, says Mendes. He assumes that Chavez is actually targeting the Aves Island that lays a little south of Saba and Statia. This island is uninhabited and gets flooded by the sea in certain periods of the year. There is a dispute going on with the nearby independent islands.

      “But, we are watching the situation closely and other than advice, we have also asked for further information”, said Mendes. DBB considers the relations with Venezuela as normal. Mendes also says that canceling the intended official visit of Prime Minister Emily de Jongh-Elhage (PAR) to Caracas and the return visit of Chavez is out of the question.

      …snip

    38. disgustedmom on August 19th, 2007 12:13 pm

      #32, Vicki, I had thought about that too!…it being the same bone. I can’t get out of my head the video of the man at the rocks with a piece of Natalee’s shirt in his hand…he had it, then put his hand between the rocks and when he drew back his hand the cloth was no longer in it.

      Did the Breaking News mention who found the bone?

    39. Patti on August 19th, 2007 1:16 pm

      I don’t think it’s the same bone. I think that
      it is a gift, a reason for hope, and just might
      be what is needed to get the search of the water
      underway.

      Remember the storm tht brought Lacey Peterson’s
      remains up? A hurricane is, certainly, capable
      of doing the same thing. If this is a bone from
      Natalee, then there are other bones in the sea
      and Aruba or the Netherlands would be compelled
      to conduct a new search.

      With enough bones, or the right bones, a cause of
      death can be determined if there was, in fact, a
      gunshot wound or deadly assault.

      The family wants closure and they are not going
      to stop their search for their daughter because
      of ONE bone. I agree with Vickie, this is what we
      have been praying for… let’s keep the faith, but
      realize, too, that there is still a long road
      ahead.

    40. ben on August 19th, 2007 1:32 pm

      Wonder if Bill Oreallllly ,bought a villa in Aruba that would explain his slander of Natalee.Every one continue to email Fox News about the slander they spread.

    41. Patti on August 19th, 2007 1:57 pm

      Ben:

      What’s the e-mail address?

    42. Patti on August 19th, 2007 2:36 pm

      If she’s down there, I hope that what ever they have her tied down with gets broken up by the turbulance and everything comes up. In fact, with the force of this hurricane, it’s turbulance could even uproot and expel weighters. Reminds
      me of Pearls posts where she says,

      “Rise, Natalee, Rise”

    43. Waterboy (Jerry) on August 19th, 2007 2:53 pm

      Son of a Gun—they did it to us again!!!!!
      I think possible, yes, it is the same bone. Those slimy worms have sat on it all this time.

      The following is from Dave Holloway.

      Dave: Ö.. I have spoken with one of the assistant prosecutors (Amalin Flanegin) and
      that’s one of the reasons she resigned. It was because the police would not follow-up on
      her suggestions as well. She became so frustrated that she had to call it quits. You have
      Dissensions within the prosecutor’s office. You have police officers who for some reason
      or other don’t trust each other. You know, we came up with the bones. When I was on the
      Island, I was questioned about what did we do with the evidence and I didn’t
      know what did you do with the evidence? We found out a tourist had found a bone and
      gave it to the beach police.

      The beach police, rather than giving it to the detective team gave it to some police
      Commissioner. The rumor was they did not trust the detective team. We’ve heard that
      over and over and over again from various different sources. You have to wonder, who
      can you trust?
      Jerry

    44. Carpe Noctem on August 19th, 2007 3:09 pm

      oreilly -at- foxnews.com

    45. Richard on August 19th, 2007 3:44 pm

      Is it possible that the story about the bone is itself a false plant? Who knows, on Aruba?

    46. Waterboy (Jerry) on August 19th, 2007 4:34 pm

      1906.

      Look at my post (#40) to your questions on the previous topic.

      Jerry

    47. arubagirl on August 19th, 2007 4:39 pm

      #25 Please point out where they’re making fun of the bone?

    48. Waterboy (Jerry) on August 19th, 2007 4:49 pm

      Richard,

      Follow me on this. I haven’t read all the post, so if someone else has already said this, then it just goes to show how similar our thought processes have become.

      Let’s say you kill someone. You bash their head in and bury them in a remote location. Your are getting scarred because there is the blog group who have actually mentioned the location of the body. How they could know you don’t know, so you take a bone and place it in another location to make it look like something else happen to that person.

      You place it near a railroad track, and it looks like a train ran over them, and the other parts are just missing. You place it in the jungle in Africa, and it looks like a wild animal ate the person. You place it on a beach or near a river, and it looks like they drown.

      Now, all of a sudden, you have searchers looking in the wrong place, and thinking the wrong thoughts as far as the cause of death.

      Sick, I know.

      Jerry

    49. ben on August 19th, 2007 5:45 pm

      41, patti its oreilly@foxnews.com

    50. ben on August 19th, 2007 5:53 pm

      A whole skeleton could wash up with this hurricane going on you would never hear about it .

    51. mayan_moons on August 19th, 2007 5:59 pm

      A tourist found it huh…..just like last time hmmm. Hey why is it always a *tourist* that finds these bone’s washing ashore….what about that crack (down the middle) visability team Aruba’s got that’s supposed to be supervising the beaches?? They see nothing yet these tourist’s do and thats another thing, would you as a tourist be picking up bones with flesh or not & taking to police?

      Is there a pic of it coz i missed it.

    52. ayfit on August 19th, 2007 6:07 pm

      {{edit}} Stay away from Aruba that bone could be yours or your child’s.

      Boycott Aruba to the end.
      ______________________
      SM: A bit over the top don’t you think? (klaasend)

    53. ayfit on August 19th, 2007 6:19 pm

      Officials of Aruba;
      What kind of man can live with himself knowing he had just raped and murdered such a beautiful,innocent young girl. You are no different. Natalee’s blood is on your hands as well. I feel as though there are many of you who are involved in the cover up. Surely one of you has enough good in you to come foward. I suppose you are scared. Until you do,your island will suffer. You see people worldwide associate Aruba with Natalee’s demise. Everyone in the world knows of the cover up. Two things are for sure.#1 We will never forget Natalee and what you have done with her. #2 Niether will you and your economy.

    54. ayfit on August 19th, 2007 6:23 pm

      SM; maybe–thanks,however I,ve seen worse.

    55. Maggie on August 19th, 2007 6:37 pm

      Well one letter from Jean is saying thousands are missing in the USA.. thousands missing in the USA so noone should care about Natalee? What logic..

      United States total area: 3,537,441 square miles, population 300,000,000 plus.

      Aruba is 19.6 miles (30 kilometers) long and 6 miles (9 kilometers) across, at its widest point, with an area of approximately 70 square miles (184 square kilometers) with less than 100,000 population..

      More missing on 3 and a half million square miles compared to 70 square miles.. helloooo… Noone has ever mentioned the number of missing, but the way in which Natalee’s case has been handled and friends investigating friends, arresting 2 men after it was shown Natalee didn’t return to Holiday Inn, asking the father of Natalee right off how much money do you have, etc..Did I mention Steve Cohen giving a speech in the Caribbean that 2 of the men had sex with Natalee and he and the prosecutor thought they were guilty and would be charged with rape and murder. Just all the lunacies would fill a book that has went on.

      Another letter says Klaas and Red are doing this for the money and laughing all the way to the bank. These people need to buy a clue, they obviously have none.

      They opened their wallets and hearts in Aruba and look what they got? Natalee and her family opened their hearts and wallets and look what they got???! Not only were they smeared and slandered , oh btw Where’s Natalee’s body, she opened her heart and wallet too?! Look what she got. Instead, she got called a racist, a slut, a crackhead, a drunk, a lesbian..and lost her life. People protested against her mother for being in Aruba wanting answers… I’m so tired of hearing about what it cost to investigate a crime. That’s what the police etc are for. I don’t know anyone who has been sent a bill for it cost to investigate their child’s homicide. Try losing a child, if you think losing a few dollars hurts.

      Joran sure cut his “Big Pathological Liar Book” tour short when the KLPD showed up at his house in Aruba.. btw if you see him ask him how he walked home and Satish picked him up…or how Natalee was drunk when it benefits his story and sober when it benefits it..I could go on and on.

    56. observer on August 19th, 2007 6:51 pm

      As I recall Art wood had found a belt buried in the sand that looked very similar to one that JVDS owned but had said it was too old to be Jorans. We know he turned that over to ALE as well as some plastic and they were disregarded. He had instructed Fred Golba to search that area the next day with his search dogs..etc..

      Early the next morning as he was arriving to the location on the same road as the Alto Vista Chapel he ran into Paul Van Der Sloot in his jeep who he made direct eye contact with. It has always bothered me as I wondered what was PVDS doing up so early in the morning in that location. Was PVDS hiding evidence or checking to see what was hidden will never be found? Is it possible that the bone that washed up in the same place is part of Natalee?

    57. Robert on August 19th, 2007 7:14 pm

      Carpe Noctem on August 19th, 2007 11:37 am

      Yes, we’ve heard of that crazy speech by this crazy socialist dictator too.
      If it will get so far that we have to defend those islands…. It’s going to be difficult because only very few people want to fight for those little pieces of sand; nobody really wants them, let alone die for them… They only cost us money!
      Somebody on the blog below responded: Can’t we sink the islands as a preventive measure, so Chavez can’t get his hands on them?

      http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/998851.html#comments

    58. brie on August 19th, 2007 8:21 pm

      Hi Carpe……I know your an encyclopedia of accurate information……also miss your funny postings, can we have both????

    59. JusticeforNatalee on August 19th, 2007 10:16 pm

      Hey Aruban officials,

      We don’t care how much money
      you have to spend on Natalee’s case.

      That’s your own stupid and unethical fault.

      If you had done the investigation
      in a competent and honest manner to begin with,
      you could have saved yourself a lot of time and money.

      You knew J2K had lied about the HI dropoff and that Natalee didn’t show up on the security tape–yet you still let the perps
      roam free for ten days. *Brilliant*

      And why didn’t you use plea bargaining? How hard would it have been to separate the suspects early on and work out a deal of one against the other? Why didn’t you ever try that strategy?

      Oh, wait, we know–because you really didn’t want to solve the case.
      You thought Beth would go home and everyone would forget about Natalee.

      How wrong you were and how foolish you are. Two years plus, we are still here and still going strong.

      No Justice/No Tourists
      Boycott Aruba

    60. Carpe Noctem on August 19th, 2007 10:17 pm

      Robert,

      Fighting over who gets Aruba is like

      battling with someone to win who gets

      to clean out the cat box.

      Give it to him,

      they deserve eachother, broham.

    61. Carpe Noctem on August 19th, 2007 10:18 pm
    62. mayan_moons on August 19th, 2007 10:35 pm

      Some of them are saying klass & red are in this for the money??

      and

      laughing all the way to the bank?

      HAHAHAHA

      This is me laughing in those fool’s faces…
      ____________________
      SM: It’s actually insulting (and I know it’s not you but those fools posting at the 24ora site). SM is not tied to any family of any missing person including Natalee Holloway. We do not get paid for anything we do, not one dime. (klaasend)

    63. Carpe Noctem on August 19th, 2007 11:00 pm

      LOL Katablog!

      #31

      >1. It will turn out to be from a Giraffe this time.

      That is about the way
      it happens down there.

    64. mayan_moons on August 19th, 2007 11:20 pm

      I know you’re not klass and it is insulting but not suprising coming from these selfish, thoughtless, heartless criminal’s running rampant on Aruba.

      You have to have a screw loose in your head to go to Aruba & trust those people for anything. They are darkhearted….mean and very greedy people and the gravy train has left the station.

      Hows it feel Aruba?

    65. brie on August 19th, 2007 11:35 pm

      What ever the island of Aruba has spent on Natalee has been there own demise….our FBI was there….ready and prepared to solve the case…if it wouldn’t of been for Straaten and his corruption in the case…we’d have our answers!!!!!!!! I hope the Dutch do their duty in prosecuting the criminal!!!!!!!

    66. katablog.com on August 20th, 2007 12:33 am

      Kinda funny (like in weird) how the people out of Aruba try to slander everyone interested in Justice for Natalee with the “money” thing.

      Yet let’s look at Aruba’s track record for a minute. What were their first concerns? How a missing Natalee would effect their tourism dollars.

      What is Aruba’s concern now? How missing tourists (the smart ones that stayed home or went elsewhere) are effecting their pocketbooks.

      What is everyone trolls’ interest in this blog? How we are hurting their pocketbook.

      Ohhhhh, am I seeing a pattern here?

    67. mayan_moons on August 20th, 2007 1:41 am

      Yeah it is weird Katablog that they trotted that lame ass lie out again, first it was the family remember.

      Thats why i laughed coz it was absurd then and ridiculous now. Everyone can see through that total BS they are saying…..more like it says volumes on the Aruban mindset & mentality. The weight of Anita & Aruba’s own stupidity alone is enough to sink that ugly little rock.

    68. buster on August 20th, 2007 2:22 am

      It time the dutch pulled there fingers out of the dikes and solved this freaking mystery !!!

    69. 10061906 on August 20th, 2007 7:40 am

      I feel an ill wind blowing.
      Remember what happened when Katrina hit.
      This discovery is a no win situation.
      But first the bone has to be identified.
      Let’s say for argument’s sake the bone is human.
      Then how long has it been in the sea and exposed to salt water.
      Again for arguments sake it is human and DNA has found it to be from a female of approximately 18 to 20 years of age.
      Aruba would never admit that they determined it was Natalee’s; or if they did
      they have two options.
      Return the bone to Natalee’s family who in turn would valid the DNA report and also determine just how long the bone was exposed to salt water.
      Or it was another donkey bone.
      If it was a relatively short time in the ocean then Natalee may have been alive a lot longer than we first believed; or she was buried and the bone was exhumed and planted on the shore.
      They could not explain why two years elapsed before it was washed ashore.
      Based on what van der Straaten said about knowing the details his butt would be hanging out.
      But it would reaffirm what Michael Dompig said about Joran being on Koen’s boat.
      But it would call Freddie a liar. And as a witness he cannot lie.
      Again should it be Natalee’s; then sporter is in for a minimum of six years. Something happened to a person who he was with, who was probably intoxicated and could not survive being left alone. By Aruban law Joran had to render assistance or go to jail.
      Rendering assistance never happened; and his going to jail will never happen.
      So: let’s forget about a bone washing ashore two years after the fact and let’s continue with the boycott until we have justice for Natalee and closure for her family.

    70. Sherry on August 20th, 2007 7:43 am

      Okay its been a couple of days…what did they do with the bone?

    71. Vicki on August 20th, 2007 9:01 am

      Klaas and Red, kudos to you two… I read where you two are making millions…millions..off of this blog…can you believe the mentality of these ppl??? Are there no brains in there heads on that vile place…Can you imagine getting rich off of a free blog.Im with mayan ahahahahahahahaha
      That is to funny, but now we know why they believe the crap their govn tells them…By the way, I understand URINE is afraid to go back to his lovely Island..There are rumors of threats….

    72. disgustedmom on August 20th, 2007 9:25 am

      This bone thing is why I don’t believe Natalee was put in the ocean…too much chance of her washing up. They would never leave it to Mother Nature to cause them a problem endlessly since MN might wash Natalee to shore at any time any year.

      Unless we’re talking far far out deap ocean, then I don’t believe she’s in water… and I don’t think that is where she is either.

      But I do believe they want the world to think she’s in the water, and to me that’s quite interesting. Why water as opposed to land? They control the land and what goes on there, and even Mother Nature has no say it that. Why not let the world believe she is on land and they just can’t find out where?

    73. katablog.com on August 20th, 2007 9:53 am

      Aruba will use the hurricane to explain why the bone came ashore – that or send out their pole people to poke the sand (and find nothing).

      Witnesses can’t lie? Ah come on “everybody lies, big people lie” Naderia

    74. JusticeforNatalee on August 20th, 2007 10:03 am

      I would like to add to comment 62 that
      NONE of the people going to travel shows
      to support Natalee are paid.

      We volunteers also have been targets of that same hideous accusation
      and it is an outright lie. Any donations go toward permits, flyers, buttons, etc.

      VOLUNTEERS for NATALEE

      We support Natalee out of compassion,
      and the true payment we get is the satisfaction
      of helping to keep her name alive.

    75. beel on August 20th, 2007 10:13 am

      Diario reports that the bones – not bone – are a very old indian.

      Hoopla speculation makes fools of many again.

      If you jumped to conclusions it was your doing no one in aruba made yo be so foolish.
      ________________
      SM: Nobody is jumping to conclusions. A bone (s) were reported found and will have to be tested before knowing for sure it’s origin. There is no way that Diario or anyone else could possibly know for sure the origin or age of the bone without testing. (klaasend)

    76. beel on August 20th, 2007 12:00 pm

      klaasend you are so uninformed.

      Diario even has pictures and a report on the press conference confirming your great jump to conclusion was false as usual. 2.5 year old bones would never show that type of discoloration – my chemistry background and 8 years doing the forensic testing says so. You have no such experience.

      mansu invites the experts from amaerica to come on down and look.

      http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/8/20/local/news8.php

      Segun sr. Luidens:
      E WESONAN LASTRA PA LAMA BRUTO TA HUMANO Y HISTORICO

      ORANJESTAD (AAN) – Matutino DIARIO a entrevista señor Jossy Luidens, persona
      encarga cu e maneho di Natural Bridge, relaciona cu un hayazgo constata pa un pareha, den
      fin di siman. Luidens a splica cu Diasabra mainta tabata tin un pareha ta cana riba e brug
      pa wak lama bruto, cu a bin constata cu tabata tin restonan di cadaver cu tabata sali for di e
      brug, y nan a duna aviso.

      E ora ey a bin constata cu tabata tin tres hende dera bao di e grafnan, y door cu lama ta
      bruto el a pasa riba e brug y a coba e grafnan. Asina aki, sr. Luidens a dicidi di yama
      prensa y television pa bin wak kico a sosode, pasobra esaki ta parti di Aruba su historia cu
      ta bay perdi.

      El a splica cu e grafnan ta data di hopi aña atras cu a bin un barco di tres mast, cu door di
      lama bruto a naufraga, y tres hende a muri, y cu tin indicacion cu e tripulantenan lo a dera
      nan den e lugar aki.

      Esaki ta un historia cu e bieunan cu tabata biba den e area aki tabata conta hopi aña atras.
      Esaki ta algo cu a keda den sr. Luidens su memoria pasobra e mes kier a constata e historia
      y a bay coba y a wak cu enberdad tin restonan di hende eynan, y a bolbe tapa nan, y e ta
      haya cu esaki ta parti di Aruba su historia cu ta bay perdi, y cu mester tin proteccion pa e
      restonan humano aki.

      Sr. Luidens a menciona cu hopi mucha di school ta acerca su persona pa puntre riba e
      historia di Natural Bridge, anto tin cu a gana hopi bon punto debi na e parti aki di e
      hendenan cu tabata dera eybao, cu pa hopi hende na Aruba ta un primicia ora nan haya sa,
      pasobra esaki no ta un historia cu tur hende tabata sa.

      Pa loke ta trata e turistanan cu ta bin bishita e brug natural, sr. Luidens a menciona cu hopi
      turista ta gusta wak di cerca lama bruto, kiermen ora e tempo ta manera aworaki, pasobra na
      Merca nan no por mira algo asina.
      ______________________
      SM: Uninformed? I knew about that Diario article, you aren’t showing me anything new. The bone still needs to be tested and I’m sure it will be. If it’s centuries old so be it. I’m wondering why YOU are making so much out of it (klaasend)

    77. Vicki on August 20th, 2007 12:10 pm

      Come on Klaas, you know those ppl own there are so smart, they can look at blood on a mattress and declare it dog blood[whf]and look at a bone and say its a dokey bone…now this is an indian bone???Who made that declaration???PM Oderber the smuck….they ppl are real detectives…Soon, maybe they will see URINES bones and declare them PIGsBONES…

    78. 10061906 on August 20th, 2007 12:42 pm

      beel: all I can say about your post is
      WHAT are you trying to talk about???????????/

    79. 10061906 on August 20th, 2007 12:51 pm

      Let’s set the record straight once and for all:
      I WILL be going to one of the shows attended by the ATA.
      Whatever expenses I incur is my choice.
      I don’t need donations. I am independently wealthy in that I know where my children are.
      I am not a charitable or political organization so I can’t afford a bookkeeper to manage any donations. No donations expected: none accepted.

    80. Vicki on August 20th, 2007 1:21 pm

      1906, I couldnt have said it better…we are so rich because we know where are kids are….how can you not go and stand up for Natalee???She was robbed of her life and future. and the pigs on that vocanic ashe have let it happen…UGHHHHHH

    81. 10061906 on August 20th, 2007 1:29 pm

      Currently VALERO (Previously Citgo) gas stations were undercutting other brands by as much as $0.15 per gallon.
      The next day; the same gas station went from $2.39 to $2.47 per gal
      Domestic oil refinery HESS is matching the price of $2.39
      Exxon has the biggest spread at $2.54.
      Valero is getting its oil from Venezuela. Hess is domestic.
      Where the hell is Exxon getting its oil?????
      Was Valero anticipating a hurrican hit???? or was this another way Aruba is putting it to the world?

    82. beel on August 20th, 2007 3:35 pm

      SM: Uninformed? I knew about that Diario article, you aren’t showing me anything new. The bone still needs to be tested and I’m sure it will be. If it’s centuries old so be it. I’m wondering why YOU are making so much out of it (klaasend

      So aware that you decided not to inform anyone else. I see.

      Oh it might be of note as you can not read pap or spanish that there are three keg bones in the picture and three bones noted by the archeologist. Which of the three do you propsoe testing for dna.

      Or did you just want to keep that fact to yourself.
      ________________
      SM: Keep it to myself, LOL. To answer your question I would imagine they will test all 3 bones to determine exactly how old they are. How do you know what languages I can read? (klaasend)

    83. Carpe Noctem on August 20th, 2007 4:11 pm

      I think this may be

      some of Aruba’s problem with the Natalee Holloway

      Case. We don’t even know who the ef you trolls

      are, yet you ask us to go on FAITH,

      by telling us that you have an 8 yr

      chemical forensic background that can be

      referenced?

      How very ScubaJap of you, beel!

      I am with klaas on that,

      I think I’ll wait for something

      OFFICIAL to come from an Aruban Authority.

      …and even then I *STILL will not believe it,

      because after what Aruba did to Natalee’s family,

      you people have thoroughly demonstrated to me

      that even your HIGHEST OF OFFICIALS are not worth

      a pile of frog $hit. Pocks on you, and maybe some

      of your ancestors, EVENNNNN. —Snaggle Puss

    84. Carpe Noctem on August 20th, 2007 4:13 pm
    85. disgustedmom on August 20th, 2007 4:37 pm

      That picture from Dario doesn’t look like the finding of a bone that was washed up to shore.

      I said early on I thought this was a hoax…maybe 24ora created the hoax based on the finding so Indian bones and just thought it would be funny to arouse interest in a bone they knew they could then come here and say was Indian bones blah blah.

      Who cares though? Joran took a tourist off and she never returned….Jan VDS said he knew for a fact Natalee was dead….some law in Aruba says if a local takes a tourist off and she doesn’t return the local gets charged with something….well, Joran needs to be charged with something that includes that after having violated law by leaving her in the first place, she died. No need to even wait to do that. Should have been done already.

    86. Sherry on August 20th, 2007 4:38 pm

      Beel is just a huge PRO-ARUBA fanatic or a Sloot relative..who knows. Anyway you will find this person on any given forum which shows support for Natalee…Beel, why do you try so hard..do you have a vested interest? No matter what type of bone it is, Aruba has more bones wash up than anyplace I ever heard about. No one I know will ever go there!

    87. Patti on August 20th, 2007 4:52 pm

      10061906:

      I don’t claim to be a psychic. I don’t charge people money to do readings or to predict the future. But since the beginning, I have always thought that Natalee is buried in an area with Turtle in the name. I want to say Turtle Garden, but it could be Turtle Caves or Turtle Beach. If someone took the time to review my posts, this has always been my belief.

      I mentioned it a few days ago, and then all of a sudden, we got all these stories about a turtle area that is part of a park that is designated a turtle refuge area AND that Tim was harrassed about searching that area.

      Does anyone know if this is the park where something having to do with Natalee’s disappearance (I don’t remember what) was found in a garbage can?

    88. Patti on August 20th, 2007 5:06 pm

      P.S.

      The reason I ask is because I know that you have an extensive library on information and facts pertaining to the case and also know that you wouldn’t laugh about a person’s alleged E.S.P., gut feeling or suspicions… what ever you want to call it.

      I honestly think that it’s turtle garden, is there such a place?

      Thanks for your help.

    89. beel on August 20th, 2007 5:33 pm

      klass you already told us you dont read pap or spanish – why else do you rely on translators lik arubagirl.

      Obviously you did not read any of these either

      Hundreds of such bone findings in the exact area are sufficient evidence to debunk this myth. And the color problem – bones do not go brown in 2.5 years. Its so common to find bones in that area that international meetings of archeologists make jokes about murder rumors concocted every time some one finds bones there. The police are so used to the fabrications that they laugh too.

      Skeleton Cave is in the very near vicinity of the bones found august 18.

      Finding bones on Aruba beaches is such a common occurence that the 2005 Frommers about Aruba mentions this fact.

      But then rumors are so much more to your taste and habit.

      There is a map at this site.
      http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

      Skeleton Cave. Human bones found here (historians
      hypothesize that they’re remains of ancient Arawak people)gave this dive spot its name. A large piece of broken rock forms the entrance where the cave meets the coast.

      Skeleton Cave, which can be entered between the coast and an enormous piece of broken rock, got its name when human bones were found here. It has not been established if they were from the Indians that lived in Aruba’s caves long
      ago.

      XIX International Congress for Caribbean Archeology

      http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/articles/iacacongress.html

      Dijkoff also reported of skeletons found by the Police. When bones were discovered at Boca Urirama, the Police thought at first it was a missing-person’s case, but when more than
      one person’s bones were uncovered the Police handed the case over to the archeologists as no mass murderer, Dijkoff banters, has ever been found operating in Aruba. Another
      Police discovery shed light on a female body buried with ape and bird bones, a griddle and other gifts. It was turned over to the museum

      http://www.frommers.com/destinations/aruba/0176020088.html

      The sun is hot, and shade is scarce, but if you bring water and a wide-brimmed hat, traipsing around Aruba’s hills and coastline is full of rewards: otherworldly rock formations,
      bizarre cactus groves, fluorescent parakeets, and dewlapped lizards. Hiking boots are nice, but sneakers are fine. There are no organized tours; Arikok National Park has many clearly marked trails. Scale the island’s highest hills, explore
      abandoned gold mines, tiptoe around plantation ruins, trek through caves, and comb sea bluffs for coral and bones.

      Frommer’s Portable Aruba, 3rd Edition
      Author: Ken Lindley
      Pub Date: September 30, 2005
      Price: $10.99
      ____________________
      SM: True I do not read pap but I’m pretty good at Spanish. I’m not sure what you are trying to prove. None of us has said that the bone was Natalee’s, all we said is that a bone or bones were found and should be tested. Why is this upsetting you so much? (klaasend)

    90. Carpe Noctem on August 20th, 2007 5:46 pm

      1006,

      Didn’t you say

      sumpin’ about Aruban Officials were at one time

      blaming TIM & TES of roughing up the turtle eggs

      by careless ATV-ing over in Arikok Park a few

      days back???

    91. Carpe Noctem on August 20th, 2007 5:52 pm

      Beel:
      “Finding bones on Aruba beaches is such a common occurence.”

      ….

      beel,

      After the outright butchery and slaughter

      of the Joran Vandersloot rape and murder case

      against Natalee Ann Holloway in 2005…

      I totally see

      why that is such a common occurence in

      Aruba. Up until then, I would have had

      a problem seeing the problem so clearly!

      BOYCOTT ARUBA

      It is like the effin’

      Black Plague.

      You’ll come back without

      your family members to even bury.

      -j4n

    92. 10061906 on August 20th, 2007 6:06 pm

      yes; patti and carpe; and the shallow grave was there, the tape with hairs and the garment that looked like Natalee’s top. I believe were all found in that area.
      To the west are the gold mines at Seroe Cristal.
      All if my memory serves me correctly.
      refer back to the quad racers postings.

    93. Sherry on August 20th, 2007 7:43 pm

      #89 Arubans laugh since there are so many bones washing up all the time on the beach? It is so common it has been listed in Frommers?

      Umhmmmmm yep sounds like the kinda place everyone wants to go for a relaxing get-a-way…a bone yard.

    94. Sherry on August 20th, 2007 7:47 pm

      Beel..
      one thing I dont understand…the last couple of times bones were found in Aruba I never heard anything like you are now stating. If its so common now why was it not so common then? Also, are ALL bones taken to Holland for forensic testing? Lastly, if not then why were the other bones taken for testing? Curious…

    95. ben on August 20th, 2007 8:52 pm

      Hate to keep harping on this,but i can not get over how Bill Oreilly SLANDERED Natalee but does not seem to care at least ,geraldo showed some true concern in what was said on that show.

    96. ben on August 20th, 2007 8:58 pm

      76,beel,,,,,Uninformed,,, a credible aruban source has confirmed that Natalee died from a massive heart attack after willing taking a massive dose of cocaine…lol. Aruba has no credible sources on anything.

    97. Sherry on August 20th, 2007 9:20 pm

      Aruba just brings up too many questions in my mind. If finding bones is so common then why do they go to the trouble of reporting in the paper when one is found?
      __________________
      SM: And not JUST reported in the paper, it was reported as BREAKING NEWS on the 24ora site. (klaasend)

    98. Sherry on August 20th, 2007 11:16 pm

      Klass…thats exactly what I am saying..it seems that nothing that comes out of that place makes any sense..that is why I want Beel to clarify some information on this.

    99. wreck on August 20th, 2007 11:42 pm

      Just to set the record straight, Valero is not Citgo. Valero used to be “Diamond Shamrock”. When 7-11 dropped Citgo — Citgo stations all over the U.S. started to switch over to “Valero”. There could be some collusion between Valero and Citgo (so I won’t do business with either)

    100. stoney on August 21st, 2007 8:42 am

      To Beel:

      “The sun is hot, and shade is scarce, but if you bring water and a wide-brimmed hat, traipsing around Aruba’s hills and coastline is full of rewards:”

      It reads better like this:
      The teenage boys think they are hot and police protection is scarce, but if you bring weapons and a wide-variety of body guards, traipising around Aruba’s hills and coastline maybe safer and your reward would be to saty alive!!!!”

    101. 10061906 on August 21st, 2007 9:29 am

      wreck. Valero is purchasing Citgo stations. Valero is headquartered in San Antonio Texas.
      The Valero refinery is on Aruba.
      Ego I don’ty by Valero…
      http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2006/12/valero_citgo_ve.html

    102. Carpe Noctem on August 21st, 2007 9:46 am

      Trying to paint Aruba in a good light…

      …is impossible at this point. It is

      pathetic to witness actually!

      Read Joran’s book, read the case files available to the public…

      trust your God given instincts!

      Aruba let Joran Vandersloot, THE RAPIST and

      murderer of Natalee Holloway walk scot-free,

      and attend school in Holland. Anyway you want to

      look at it, it is wrong and very sick. -j4n

    103. Carpe Noctem on August 21st, 2007 9:56 am

      Notice, I said read Joran’s book…

      I did not say PURCHASE IT!!!

      Ya might as well walk down the street and

      hand a 20 to your local raping serial murderer

      if ya BUY Joran Vandersloot’s book! Joran

      brutally murdered Natalee Holloway with

      the help of his father, Paulus Vandersloot…

      I think Paulus did his part, to further

      confuse things… and “DO ANYTHING” to protect

      his son, which I believe was assistance in her

      murder and multiple burials.

      (on land and at sea)

      -j4n
      __________________________
      SM: Hi Carpe – when you get a chance could you take a look at the last page in the Donna Jou thread in the forum. There is a picture I’d like you to take a look at (klaasend)

      http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1337.msg271103#new

    104. Richard on August 21st, 2007 12:24 pm

      Since I began the idea of the protests against the appearances of Aruba Tourism Authority, neither I nor anyone else I know of has “made money” in attending any of them.

      Unlike the Arubans involved.

      We have all, to the best of my knowledge, incurred expenses to various degrees. Many of us have been paying out far more in writing letters, attending other events, etc.

      And speaking for myself, I feel it was money well spent. Americans are prone to volunteer for things in which they believe, and I believe that fighting Aruba is well worth it.

      We will not stop until justice is done. Even the Mafia must be wondering at this point if Aruba is worth it.

    105. Carpe Noctem on August 21st, 2007 1:57 pm

      103 -

      I got the pics, Klaas. Will have a look

      and see what I can do. Headed out for a bit,

      wil get on it, and post sometime soon!

    106. Maggie on August 21st, 2007 7:14 pm

      Beel, getting real defensive there? The only thing Klaas reported was Breaking news from 24ora.com, that a bone was found.. Now if that’s a rumor, better tell 24ora.com.. not Klaas..

      Rumor is for example, when the spokesman for AhaTa, Arlene Shippers… came out and said last time Beth was in Aruba, she met with the prosecutor, Arlene saw her,and that more or less Beth was lying when she said she didn’t.. Only to have Beth’s Aruban attorney come out to say Beth did not meet with the prosecutor, the prosecutor didn’t have time. She also insinuated Tim Miller was a liar when he said Dompig told him there is a fish trap missing.. If she read Vanity Fair, Dompig says in it,,there is a fishtrap missing. Remember when she came to the USA with a few from Aruba to brief them about this case? Why does an Aruba spokesman for AHATA have access to police files? Why does she have access when her cousin, Guido, was arrested for heavy battery against Natalee? Conflict of interest? Oh and her famous statement, the girl just vanished,, Like she was zapped with a space gun and kidnapped by martians.

      Funny they can look at these bones some of them and know who they belong to and how old they are and yet they collected blood and had to send it off to find out it was chocolate. After we’ve heard ad naseum how clean Deepak kept his car, he was riding around with chocolate in it. Cleaned it repeatedly after Natalee disappeared. Early morning before daylight,,,,oh sand in the car..or was that ants?..

      You can check out,, but you can never leave…

    107. Carpe Noctem on August 21st, 2007 10:19 pm

      #106.

      What a nice surprise; bring your alibis.

      To the bridge,
      girlfriend. :-)

      http://tinyurl.com/yuko65

    108. brie on August 22nd, 2007 12:32 am

      “Good Lord and Sweet Jesus….Enough is Enough”

      Beel…bag it!!!!!!! Put your money where your mouth is…Huh….I bet you haven’t contributed one dime…..so shut up your sorry mouth….you don’t even have a clue what the people here have contributed and donated, out of their own pockets to support Natalee……let alone the time and hours spent of dedication….ANITA KEEPS TRYING BUT SHE KNOWS HER SONS IS GUILTY BEYOND WORDS……THE CANDLE CAN ONLY BURN AT BOTH ENDS FOR SO LONG!!!

    109. brie on August 22nd, 2007 12:41 am

      This did not take place at the Sloots without the sons knowing about it. Kids see more and hear more than you think they do!!!

    110. brie on August 22nd, 2007 1:37 am

      Joran is only free because of Straaten……!!!!!

    111. disgustedmom on August 22nd, 2007 10:23 am

      Deepak cleaning chocolate out of his car….brings to mind every clean car fanatic I know of who would NEVER let anyone eat anything in his car….so, Deepak, being a clean car freak, seems hard to believe anyone would have been allowed to have chocolate in his car to start with. Makes the whole chocolate stain thing suspect to me.

      And Ants? Has anyone here ever had ants in their CAR? I’ve asked around and no one I know of has. In fact, I’ve been asked how ants would get in there so easily especially if there was no food in there to smell out…and I don’t believe for a minute Deepak had food lying around in his car.

      Lies lies and more lies.

    112. disgustedmom on August 22nd, 2007 11:35 am

      Joran’s book….says one time he got so drunk he was puking and just wanting to sleep. He had no ride home and had to call Anita. His gf Susana was with him and she sat with him and held him until Anita showed up with a car. Anita took Susana home then of course Joran to sleep it off.

      Anyone see the similarity there with what Joran says went on with Natalee? Just replace Joran for Susana and a Kalpoe for Anita and it’s the same story.

      I mention this because I find Joran’s book to be a primer for the lies he told about this case. He isn’t smart enough to make up new stories…all the stories he told about Natalee have happened to him before in a different context and they are all in his book. He only borrowed from his life experiences when he made up his story of what he did with Natalee that night.

      I think there’s a reason for the things Joran chose to put in that book too; there always is with a guilty conscience…so like, the story of his being drunk above began with a party on a boat. What made Joran choose this story to tell? Was it triggered by a party on a boat with Natalee? Or was there just somehow a boat involved in partying?

      Steve Croes being involved in this and his relation with the Tatoo party boat…does it mean anything? Remember that call inquiring if Natalee had a Tatoo? Did Jug get the boat confused with a body tatoo?

      It was said Koen’s boat went out that night. The Tatoo is anchored off shore so it would take a boat to get out to it.

      This makes Joran, Koen, Steve Croes possibly together when something bad happened to Natalee if the Tatoo was involved.

      Joran would have gotten a ride back to shore with Koen on his boat and maybe Natalee was too passed out to be lugged into it and she was left on the Tatoo? Or maybe she was dropped in the water while they were trying to get her off the Tatoo, and she drowned. No one would go diving for her right then I’m sure. But a body would resurface within hours. Didn’t they say Steve Croes spent the night on the Tatoo that night? Was he waiting for her body to surface?

      Just some new thoughts.

    113. Carpe Noctem on August 22nd, 2007 2:07 pm

      dmom,

      Steve Croes… was arrested
      and released from jail
      the very same day as Paulus,
      for a great reason. imho

      We just haven’t
      figured it out yet… prolly (sic)
      had to do with body disposal,
      huhhhh?

      I cannot understand why so many
      continue to overlook Steve in
      this case.

      http://tinyurl.com/32gj77

      -j4n

    114. Sherry on August 22nd, 2007 7:16 pm

      Don’t you just HATE ‘Breaking News’ when there is NEVER A FOLLOWUP??

    115. disgustedmom on August 23rd, 2007 9:41 am

      #113, Carpe….are you saying Steve Croes and Paulus were arrested on the same day? And was Steve kept for any length of time? And did Paulus get released at the same time as Steve? Can you spell that time line out for me, please?

      Interesting that people who party on the Tattoo are said to have been TattooD….and Jug heard that Natalee got a tattoo/was tattood?

      I read on some tourist site that the Tattoo left from the pier at the Marriot sometimes. The passengers were taxied to it by small boat taxis. However, from all I can find out the Tattoo did not run parties on Sundays…not to say there couldn’t have been a special party for Natalee on it…

      But you’re right…Steve Croes has been overlooked much, and there is a reason why he got involved in this case by false-witnessing the HI dropoff that never happened. Chalking it up to Stupid is stupid.

    116. Carpe Noctem on August 23rd, 2007 11:33 am

      hiya DM, here’s what I could find.

      Steve Croes detained: FRI. JUNE 17, 2005

      Paulus gets arrested on THURS. JUNE 23rd, 2005

      Paulus Vandersloot is taken into custody after being allowed to drive his own pathetic, clog wearing a$$ in.

      Are you believin’ that crrrrrrap?

      Both p & s get released on SUN. JUNE 26TH, 2005

      ….

      CBS NAT TIMELINE

      http://tinyurl.com/yqv4a8

      MSNBC – VANDERSLUT RELEASED

      ALONG WITH DISC JOCKEY

      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8290302/


      I don’t buy that “I overheard Deepak telling someone blah blah blahhh.” That excuse is so friggin WEAK.

      As ROBOTS would say: !LOAD ALERT!

      It reminds of like when a kid gets in trouble, & blames something on an imaginary friend… his story was SO WEAK!

      There’s gotta be more to it… we just have to keep diggin’ it out.

    117. kayjay on August 23rd, 2007 5:32 pm

      Am on the other side of the pond. Good to be able to log onto Scared Monkeys and keep up to date on the case. Sure hope TES is still planning the search.
      Just an aside and nothing to do with the case, but ..on TV the other day it was reported that the Dutch people are very unhappy with the influx of immigrants from certain countries and they are “afraid they are losing their culture” ( to aliens). They should be worried about losing it to the likes of JVDS who is wandering their university campus.

    118. disgustedmom on August 23rd, 2007 10:57 pm

      #116

      So Steve gets arrested for lying? And he may have told why he lied and it may have included P’s involvement….so P gets arrested for basically detaining Natalee which ultimately ended in her death. Then they both get released on the same day. And they both probably got released because there was no body to prove what they said was true….that Natalee had died in P’s care after Joran and Steve and however many others did whatever to/with Natalee.

      I really do think the causes for P’s arrest tell the tale….Natalee was alive until he got his hands on her and probably decided to take her to his house instead of to a hospital, and she didn’t make it.

      Bless Natalee. The poor young lady would have been fine today had Joran not played games. Why, Joran? Why if you had to play games did you not have the courage or humanity to take care of a helpless person in distress?

    119. Carpe Noctem on August 24th, 2007 9:05 am

      118.

      Right DMom,

      Good stuff! You are on a roll.

      …and maybe it could also be a li’l something like this…

      ……

      MONDAY
      MAY 30TH, 2005

      4AM

      Natalee is not coming around. The three stooges,
      or perhaps only Joran, calls that effing F-TARD INCUBUS OF A FADDA, Paulus Vandersloot.

      He gathers Joran and a comatose Natalee from Mc Donald’s. They go back to the house to try and revive her.

      Joran lies to Paulus, and tells him she was
      on drugs and alcohol and OD’d. Joran by this point, had violated her by raping her. Joran lies to P and says the sex was consensual. BUT PAULUS KNOWS what a flaming piece of camel dootie he was cursed with for son! He KNOWS he’s
      lying out his sick, fire engine red, lipstick lined, FOAMING cakehole.

      (BTW – yo J, stop letting Anita put lipstick on you, ya look like mother fn TINY TIM. Ya fruitcake.)

      Then, Paulus makes the decision that Natalee will be left to die. Why? Well, we’ve known for a very long time. It is why the body has not been recovered to this day!

      It had Joran Vandersloot’s DNA calling card
      written all over it.

      He’d be going down for at least rape, and probably a ONE EIGHTY SEVEN,
      homicide, 15 years worth.

      (If they find the girl, they’ll see that tish! Thanks for the heads up, D… I did see it. I have been working with it for over a year now. That tish was bagged and lying in the bottom of the #24 Marriott Water Basin.)

      Deepak and Satish were lied to by Joran. They know
      he’s lying his balls off, imo. They know he raped her and killed her, but they can’t prove it… and they are deathly afraid that someone will stalk them, hunt them down, and blow their heads off for trying to tell the truth. They’ve
      seen what happened to Pitbull, and they don’t
      want to wind up like Mr. Djoegan did.

      Paulus had a chance to get in touch with his inner HUMAN! God gave him multiple chances to do just that, that fateful night, yet he still chose to let Natalee die. He did this to protect his ‘zoon.’

      Unfortunately, for dear Nat and her family, Paulus is a empty husk. He is a worthless slab of rancid meat. You see, there’s nothing on the inside of him anymore but slithering snakes. Paulus Vandersloot’s train jumped the track
      many moons ago, long before there was
      even a Joran.

      The man is beyond help. He is a runaway
      freight train in the middle of the night.

      P could have taken her to Oduber Hospital for help.

      OR

      They could have placed the body where her
      remains would have been discovered.

      INSTEAD, THEY DID THE FOLLOWING:

      Joran downloaded a few porno movies
      to jack himself a good one. Paulus’ contribution was to log on to a website and read up about the dangers of overdosing on drugs and alcohol.

      She didn’t die from alcohol and drugs. Those were
      only a couple of the ingredients in Joran’s Death Cocktail.

      No, no, no… She died from the sexual assault.
      Perhaps not being able to breathe
      while being mauled by Paulus’ gang-raping
      DISEASE LADEN VIRUS of a son, Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot.

      Joran’s freight train left the station in the early morning hours of May 30th 2005. Joran has graduated. He’s a full fledged murderer now,
      JUST LIKE HIS DEAR OL’ POP.

      Instead of getting her help, like a normal caring human would… someone, probably Paulus, whips out a Glock 9 and shoots her dead center of her forehead. The gun was in P’s right hand, and there was a slight left to right trajectory on the shot. The bullet exited from the right side of Natalee’s head, towards the back.

      Joran saw the after effects of the head shot. He
      saw where it blew out a portion of her skull cap. It left a very clear and vivid impression on his young 17 year old alcohol drenched brain. So much of an impression, that he felt the need to offer up the info to authorities that she fell and hit her head. Joran was trying to explain the head wound, in case the body was discovered.

      Another, Joran subliminal mind F. where his brain
      was betraying him was when he announced to the authorities & the world that Deepak said he always wanted to rape a girl.

      Joran wanted to find out what it was like,
      not Deepak. Study Joran carefully. He is
      always trying to bring his friends down.
      With buddies like J-BO, who needs enemies?

      There’s a great song that reminds me of Joran:

      “BACKSTABBERS” by the O’Jays.

      She didn’t fall, Joran! She was raped until she died BY YOU, and then your dad plugged a cap in
      her to ease what little he has left for a mind.

      Your dad couldn’t stand the thought of burying
      Natalee still alive, so he shot her for
      finality, so he could go
      to sleep at night.

      Paulus and Joran will smile in your face, and all the time be looking to take your place. You know what they are now, and so do I. –j4n

      Justice 4 Natalee
      day 816

    120. disgustedmom on August 24th, 2007 12:12 pm

      Joran VDS, runs all over Aruba at all hours of the day and night without a sure fire ride home on any given occasion. Joran VDS, is always in need of a ride. Joran VDS apparently gets left by his ‘friends’ who take him to wherever he goes, a LOT! Why should we believe Deepak and Satish stayed for the long haul that night?

    121. Carol Armstrong on August 24th, 2007 7:41 pm

      DOES ANYONE EVER REALLY STOP AND LISTEN?

      I posted a comment a very long time ago regarding a transcript from Joran that, I thought, was EXTREMELY important. I will search for this and TRY AGAIN.

      It related to his “final” story about what happened. The issue was that he claimed to have left her on the beach, unharmed. But, when compared to the transcript…(when the K brother picked him up)… Joran said something like…”with so much (something) going on…we just left…”. He indicated something other than just …”leaving her on the beach”. (I will find his actual words).

      What Joran claimed happened in the end (leaving her on the beach), was a total contradiction to his words spoken to the Aruban “Authorities”. I’ll research this again and resubmit.

      As we all know, “They” know what happened to Natalee. Did “They” kill her? No. Were they there when she died?…Yes.

    122. Carpe Noctem on August 25th, 2007 11:47 am

      121
      As we all know, “They” know what happened to Natalee. Did “They” kill her? No. Were they there when she died?…Yes.

      ….

      – Back that statement up. I think they did
      kill her, especially Joran % his pathetic,
      child molesting, sweat soaked, dump truck
      load of a father.

      Now, maybe they didn’t MEAN TO, but
      I could give a flying rat’s ass…

      imo

      She died because of what Joran
      and Paulus did to her. If it was
      just drugs, they could have
      taken her to hospital, or taken
      her someplace fo help.

      There’s no OVERDOSE scenario on the planet
      Earth that’d be worth going through the
      unbridled hell and white hot fury that gets
      unleashed on the VDS these days! No one would continue to keep going through that punishment,
      not unless there was an easier way out.

      Joran the gang-raping ‘MINI ME ICUBUS’
      told 20 + lies with 4 completely
      different versions of what
      happened that night.

      Not unless you’re an
      idiot. …and yes,
      that is thee truth.

      Overdose – they would have found a body.

      Rape and murder, no body no crime. -j4n

    123. disgustedmom on August 26th, 2007 12:21 am

      Are there any old wells near Roger’s Beach…more specifially the old bungalos of the Esso Club?

    124. 10061906 on August 26th, 2007 11:58 am

      There are plenty of caves in the area. They used to mine phosphate in the area. I believe.
      So you do have mine shafts and mine entrances.
      Google phosphate mining Aruba.
      http://www.mdag.com/case_studies/cs9-98.html

    125. 10061906 on August 29th, 2007 11:54 am
    126. disgustedmom on August 30th, 2007 8:27 pm

      125
      thanks 1006! Great link!

      I found another one off it….

      http://brochures.aruba.com/charlie/charlie.pdf

      ….and speaking of all those relatives in Aruba…the author of the above is Donny Lacle…any relation to Tito Lacle?

      I have found Charlie’s Bar to be an interesting study. It is said to be the place/area to be if one wants to see an Aruban sunrise….and that kind of makes me go hmmmmm since Natalee (is said) to have wanted to stay out all night….usually the reason for ALL NIGHT means to see the sunrise as a great ending.

      The Brouns family owns the place. When I saw that my over-active imagination thought of Hitler’s fiance. I realize she spelled her name Braun, but still….it then reminded me of Natalee (reportedly to have said) her mom was Hitler’s sister…and I could just imagine her saying that sarcasitcally if someone had said the Brouns were related to Hitler’s fiance. LOL

      Check out the link. Lots of history on it. I found it very interesting!

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