RSSWhat Does Barack Obama, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. & Trinity United Church of Christ Have against Natalee Holloway?
I thought we were all God’s children … 
First we have Democratic Presidential candidate John Edwards and his divisive Two America’s, now we have Barack Obama and his support for a most controversial and divisive Reverend.
When one runs for President, they are supposed to represent all the people. Not just some, not just a section of the US and not just those who agree with you. The President is supposed to represent “We the People.” So why does Democratic candidate Barack Obama seem to put forth a mixed message? Imagine if the roles were reversed and a white Presidential candidate associated themselves with such a person?
Presidential candidate Barack Obama preaches on the campaign trail that America needs a new consensus based on faith and bipartisanship, yet he continues to attend a controversial Chicago church whose pastor routinely refers to “white arrogance” and “the United States of Whiter America.”
In some respects its not even mixed, its rather straight forward as seen by Obama’s association with the controversial Reverend Jeremiah Wright Jr. at Trinity United Church of Christ on the South Side of Chicago. Obama has been a regular attendee of this church since the 1980’s. Trinity United Church bears the motto “Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian.”
So what does Barack Obama have against Natalee Holloway and missing persons? Should not they all be searched for and found? When was the last time Obama took part in a search or even cared to talk about missing persons as a platform?
Maybe someone needs to ask Presidential wannbe Barack Obama et al why they have a problem with Natalee Holloway. What did she do to them? They claim to be Christian. Isn’t everyone God’s child … white, black and otherwise? Why would anyone associate with something that is so divisive when they would need the support of all people?
Wright on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway: “Black women are being raped daily in Africa. One white girl from Alabama gets drunk at a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and gives it up while in a foreign country and that stays in the news for months.” (News Max)
These guys would complain about air time when the MSM provides all the time Obama wants to discuss anything? Barack and Rev. Wright, are not all people worth saving … white, black, yellow, pink and orange? You would associate yourself with someone who makes disparaging remarks of others in an effort to divide white and black America? Natalee Holloway and her family have done nothing to you to deserve these comments.
Maybe you should stop complaining and do something about helping your own people instead of blaming it on “White” America. This is hardly the manner to fix a perceived problem, it’s how one causes division. Coming up with solutions to problems is what makes a good President, not blaming others. I guess you are far from Presidential material.
Posted August 9, 2007 by Scared Monkeys Child Welfare, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway, Politics, Religion, WTF | 260 comments |
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260 Responses to “What Does Barack Obama, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. & Trinity United Church of Christ Have against Natalee Holloway?”
Wow, I thought he was a good guy…and maybe even a good candidate. Not now. He just lost my vote. He keeps that attitude up and he won’t have a chance.
Stupidity Plus Platinum Card.
I am concerned about all missing people,
no matter the color, gender, or
or religion.
Exactly, Carpe, it shouldn’t matter who they are, what color they are or what sex they are. They are missing and families are hurting.
Natalee caught so much attention because of the blatant cover up…not because she white.
He is an idiot!
Not to worry.No one Dems or Gop will ever vote for a NAACP bigot.He will never win the Dem nomation.
I don’t know if Mr. Obama can google
FORD Heights Illinois…..this town of people is all but abandoned by the very people who claim to help people. Ford Heights Illinois poorest in the nation. Representative Jesse Jackson Jr.
Mr. Emil Jones of Chicago. The are not enuff votes in Ford Heights for them to care about. So they will not help the very people who need help.
It’s all about the votes.
Do you now think any Pakestan’s will vote for Obama?
What ever gets them in front of the camera or crowd is what they will latch on to, inlcuding Natalee Holloway. My vote will not go to Obama, H
He portrayed himself as a war monger.
#4 I sure hope you are right!
Don’t know anything about him or care, but I hear it’s known, that he hides his Muslim beliefs, and affiliations.
I have never liked Barak OBama. Maybe it’s his intials, BO…he just stinks!
Certainly glad he’s showing his lying manipulative anti-christ self true colors before it’s too late. This man is a phoney and an emotional player with many grudges to avenge. Me no likey one bit!
As for that preacher’s remarks about Natalee…WOW! He might as well so shack up with ALE and all those others (including rapists) who think women ‘get what they deserve’. I’m sick over that statement!
Natalee Holloway may have thrown a few back, but she was inherantly a nice respectable girl and an honorable person who some asshole committed FRAUD against to get her to go off with him! Natalee did not make a conscious choice or even an inibriated choice to go off with some jerk like Joran really is. She went off with a person whom she thought was an OK upstanding guy!
That’s right. Joran pretended to be quiet and shy, helpful and disinterested even in that sexual jello shot, when we all know -if only from his book- that he is an outrageous vicious vindictive lying hateful asshole. If he’d have let any of the MB girls see that side of him, Natalee would not have given him the time of day and she would be with her family alive and well as I type!
Damn you to hell, Rev. Wright!…and take all those with you who would place a good person like Natalee beneath-or even alongside- scum like Joran!
Obama just made the mistake of his life! I will fight tooth and nail to make sure he loses! This is a disgrace!! And Mr Wright instead of talking about the women who are being raped in Africa why don’t you go over their and help them and take Obama with you!! If a Rudy would have said something like this about a missing black woman I’m sure Al & Jesse would have been all over him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WOW is right.
http://tinyurl.com/yv5h8m
-j4n
Ok, these posts may not be racism, but they do support the basic point of Rev Wrights statements. In a limited world, (news coverage is limited, attention is limited, political attention is limited) what gets covered is a choice. The choice to spend more time on a missing girl (it is a tragedy, it was covered up, not minimizing any of that) receives more attention than the death of thousands of others. It is not necessarily even overseas deaths. There were about 600 murders in Chicago last year. Per capita that is close to the number in the Israel/Palestinian fight each year. There were more than 20 on school grounds murders in Chicago last year. There are many other stories that are equally or more tragic. What Rev Wright was saying, is that the choice by reporters to report on something does have a value.
But on the other hand you can choose to believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (currently 50% of the public do) or that Obama is Muslim (about 27% of the public does) or that Bush was responsible for 9/11 (about 9 percent of the public does.) Believing in something and telling people that it is true does not make it truth.
Freebird, you got that right…if Rudy…or anyone for that matter would have made a statement like that about a black woman, Jesse and pals would have been all over that…and would have made sure the media was all over it. It is ridiculous. He is an anti-Christ and bigot!
Wow….I am sooooo glad he showed his true colors before voting time. I am launching a campaign against him now. I really bought into his act. I thought he was a good man.
I said months ago I would not vote for someone with a name like Barack Hussein Obama, plus I’m a republican. Now with the BS from him so called preacher. Barack Hussein Obama can go straight to hell. I’ve not heard anyone I know that would vote for him. He’s so bad, if I had too, I’d vote for “The Clintons”–if I had too.
Rev. Wright? ROFLMAO
well,I have hunted for the missing or all colors,and will again.This is a stupid statement,well he lost my vote
Whose interests is he supposed to represent? Doesn’t sound very Christian to me.
Just to let everyone know … I pulled into Denver this morning. Hope that all is going well.
By the way, Mr. Obama, aren’t we supposed to be concerned when a foreign government takes part in covering up a crime against an American citizen?
Or isn’t it politically correct to be concerned for the safety of our own people at home and abroad?
3- Natalee Holloway gained so much coverage in the first few months, due to the fact that she was white/female/petite/pretty, we didn’t know that much about a cover-up at that time.
I’d like to ask the Right Reverend Wright whether Stepha Henry deserves to be missing simply because she, like Natalee, might have tossed back a few…. She’s a perfect example of a beautiful, educated young black woman with a brilliant career and her whole life in front of her. Last I checked, Tim Miller and TES launched an extensive search for her.
The search for the missing and endangered is not a racial or religious issue. Natalee’s family and friends continue to launch an all out effort to find answers. Rachel Cookes family and friends continue to keep her name out there and the focus on finding answers, after so many years even Gayle Marks mother continues her search through her web page, letter writing campaigns and more.
Like the rest of you, my respect for Mr. Obama has just taken an irreversible downward spiral. Mr. Obama, Rev. Wright, you should be ashamed of yourselves. Why can’t you simply care about ALL missing people ? In what context is the rape of African women related to the search for missing people ?
“Wright on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway: “Black women are being raped daily in Africa. One white girl from Alabama gets drunk at a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and gives it up while in a foreign country and that stays in the news for months.” (News Max)”
Obama is my Senator. I voted for him. I’ll write to him about this. Rev. Wright’s implication that this “white girl gave it up” while black women are being raped is about as infuriating as anything I’ve heard in this case. Based on his recent comments about Pakistan and his association with Rev. Wright, I’d say Obama has a lot to learn and he won’t get my vote again.
5. Miss Underestimated. Great points that Sen Obama should hear.
obama just lost this race. pulling the race card ain’t going to do it for you pal. if he pulls the race card now, just think how many times he will do it as President. this was spoken like a true thug.this boy doesn’t know the difference between giving it up and being raped and murdered.
this should tell the obuma supporters how he feels about the American citizen !
We are all God’s children. Except Arubans. They are the devil’s children and live in a hell hole. And you wish them all death. Talking about double standards…..
if black people are so concerned about Africa, why don’t they march over there and do something about it? they are using the same old dead excuse and the only one they can come up with is ” because i’m black “.
So you keep changing
your story, Joran.. but
you don’t tell them the truth…
WHY NOT JUST TELL THEM THE TRUTH?
WHY DIDN’T YOU?
(watch his eyes carefully)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOT6TM9tku4
-j4n
I assummed (and you know what happens when you assume)BO had more intelligence than what he exhibited. Thank God his true colors were revealed before election. I guess we will just have to vote for the white blonde blue eyed female candidate. Or is he going to make his failure to achieve the Democratic Nomination a racial sexest issue. He had my attention for awhile … no longer.
Racism is alive and well! Wright, Obama, Jesse Jackson, Sharpton, etc., are all a bunch of hypocritical, bigoted crybabies…
Wright’s comments about Natalee
make me sick. What it the best
way to address this without
giving Wright and Obama
the media attention they crave?
That was a direct hit to stir up racism…..and we’re sick of it….OB and Wright can head straight for Africa and stay there on their campaign and crusade…..African women and children are raped every day by the black man…..go educate your black men on how to treat the women and children that are abused daily….our own jails are 75% full of black people that commit crimes and offend society and the laws everyday, so don’t pull up the black card…..if you want coverage……turn on your TV….it’s there every single day….I fell sorry for the black folks that try hard and work hard… only to be disgraced by their own race.
You’re not supposed to be murdered on vacation for crying out loud! THATS WHY NATALEE’S CASE GOT SO MUCH COVERAGE. Aruba lures American’s over there and then by GOD its their job to ensure their safety and return.
GOT IT?
#19,
Where the hell have you been….most here have been raising hell since the time it was proven that the suspects were lying about dropping Natalee off at the HI….that was less then 2 days. Not months.
dm said: i have never liked Barak OBama. Maybe it’s his intials, BO…he just stinks!
lol thats a good one and you’re right he does stink.
sparrow makes another great point that American doesn’t need anyone with Hussain (sp) in their name being president of the USA!
NOT GONNA HAPPEN
JUST WATCH
OBAMA BLEW IT!!!!!!!!!AND WRIGHT RUINED IT!!!!!!!!!
Also, as a reminder, who was it that helped the 2 black security guards; that Joran wanted to blame for his crime, it was Beth, oh by the way, she’s white.
If they wanted to bring up Natalee, they sure missed an important part, two of their black brothers could of gone to prison for something they didn’t do…..where’s the thank you….instead ….they tried to make it a racism issue….talk about f~~~~d up!!!!!
I’m usually very liberal when it comes to issues regarding the NAACP and the black churches; but I am appauled by the remark made by Rev. Wright. I agree with the person above that made the distinction between “being raped” and “giving it up”. Obviously he has not a clue about Ms. Natalee Holloway nor the issues surrounding the case. He simply used this topic as, yet, another topic through which to voice his hatred for the white race.
There is a difference between black pride and black supremists. True Black Pride doesn’t have to brag nor complain. How can he call his church “unashamably black” when he says things that would make any true black Christian ashamed.
It’s too late for BO to distance himself from this man. Birds of a feather flock together.
Oprah propped Obama’s ass up as a presidential hopeful last year and after reading him saying
“Natalee just gave it up in a foreign land” i’d like to ask her what she thinks of that most disrespectful remark about a girl Aruba admitted was murdered and then retracted it.
Wonder what Obama thinks of the accuser in the Duke case where she’s got the semen from 5 or 6 guys all over and in her & goes to strip some more without taking a shower for pete’s sake.
All of you all bellyaching about a white, blonde haired, blue eyed girl, you should do your homework before you come here with you hare-brained comments. Research it first.
The history is about the corruption of a goverment. Do any of you remember Tawanda and Sharpeton?
So I am wondering, OB wants to go after Pakestan, could that be because his middle name is Hussen?
OBTW, how many white crusaders have gone to Africa to educate the black men raping the black girls, oh I see that won’t get any “air time”.
How bout feed the children, is that headed by people other than blacks?
I recall that the black men would not even wear condoms to prevent the spread of aids?
HEY OBAMA CHECK OUT FORD HEIGHTS, IT IS A SHAME THAT THESE RESIDENTS HAVE TO LIVE THAT WAY, UNDER THE REINS OF JESSE JACKSON JR AND EMIL JONES.
Carpe, Joran’s got the blinking, shifting eyes, very difficult for him to keep eye contact on focusing toward someone who is asking him questions. I’ve seen in a lot interviews that he will stop and not be able to finish a sentence, also his fake smile, generally a sincere smile will show in the eyes, the uplift of the cheeks and teeth are shown, he keeps his mouth closed. There are many more things he does and says that is a direct indication of lying.
Also Paulus, profuse sweating….looks like he is standing over hot coals….well, I guess he is!!!!
He tosses off a rape, any rape, as not as important as the ones he wants to speak about? Sad.
Why not claim blacks are being wrongfully arrested for crimes against whites and demand compensation for the 2 black security guards.
Oh, they were already compensated.
TO Lil PUMA #21 thanks for showing us that side of both (Obama and the REV ) Both are dead as far as i am concerned you never speak Ill of the dead Very disrespectful in my opinion
Jerry from Ohio
The reason Natalee’s case stayed in the
news so long, is directly related to
the sad fact that Aruba law unenforcement farce
and Government stand around all day
screwing their cousins, &
playing pocket pool.
Stop fondling your pocket buddy and find
Nat. You can start by extraditing that
cut throat MAGGOT, Joran Vandersloot.
What the ARUBAN ALE and Gov. did to Natalee Ann and her family, was BULLSH*T on a atomic scale.
The media keeps covering it, because nobody
can believe what they’ve seen go
on down there.
The case was sabotaged on purpose.
ARUBA is like a carnival freak show. They don’t
even respond to a parent’s pain of losing a child.
>Can’t get much lower than that.
The MM simply cannot fathom what a bunch of
arrogant, IQ-less,uncaring,
neon dickheads run that poor
excuse for an island.
Wright on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway: “Black women are being raped daily in Africa. One white girl from Alabama gets drunk at a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and gives it up while in a foreign country and that stays in the news for months.”
Glad Rev. Wright knows Natalee was drunk and had sex, that being said if she goes off and gives it up voluntarily, why is she missing at sunup? Answer that Mr. Wright. The main suspect says she wasn’t drunk. Why is a minister complaining because a missing person , any missing person is in the news? Mr. Wright and Obama need to take a lesson from Natalee’s family, go out there and put your money where your mouth is. Do something about the raping of African women in Africa.
What a way to get publicity by degrading a family who has strived day after day to keep what was done to their daughter in the news. No they would rather sit in their comfy offices and just complain. Obama has really turned me off this time. Less than a million viewers watched the dem.debate on msnbc.
Mr Wright is a minister of what faith? That remark he made is racist and slander of a victim. I hope he’s held accountable. Imus can’t make his remarks or Sharpton and Jackson is all over the air and this guy can make these kind of remarks about someone he has no clue about?
Brie:
Carpe, Joran’s got the blinking, shifting eyes.
——-
YEP! It is interesting to watch the key moments
where he breaks eye contact with Chris Cuomo.
The different directions he’s eyeballing,
is saying some things also. He’s using
that brain way too much for
something he should be able
to pull up by memory.
Wasn’t it Charles Croes that said I could
see the wheels turning in his head trying
to come up with answers?
Yes, well I see that wheel spinning too!
… time to clean the cage and feed the effin hampster again. -j4n BOYCOTT
mayan_moons,>>>> Oprah, has embarrassed herself, again.
This thread has so many good comments in reference to Rev. Wright’s statement about Natalee. If this is who BO choses to associate with, he lost my vote.
Carpe #2. Amen.
Brie #35. Couldn’t have said it better.
Carpe #26. You found Joran’s and Aruba’s theme song.
I hope and pray that Beth gets a huge lawsuit going against that racist pig, that doesnt have a brain cell in that disgusting head of his…Where do we get these jerks from. What an ignorant thing to say. He needs to be kicked out of that church. A man of the cloth???STUPID IGNORANT PIG….Be careful wht you say..little man…before someone SHUTS YOU UP….
Obama is quite black and addressing blacks, talks and acts white when in that crowd and taking money from both blacks and whites. He is wet behind the ears, inexperienced and immature. He needs to grow up and apologize to Natalee’s family and stop acting like a BLACK US Presidential hopeful……. we Americans come in all colors and we all vote.
But first and foremost, he should apologize for his remarks about Natalee.
“Giving it up”what atotally filthy thing to say when he doesnt even know what happened to Natalee, that she could very well be dead…Im so angry at this male chovanist pig.I cant get over that anything so vile would come out of any mans mouth…but a man of God? Dispicable….uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I agree with Miss U. The Natalee Holloway case has nothing to do with the rapes that go on in Africa. A rape is a rape and it’s true that there are injustices, especially against women, in Africa… and babies, too. If he really wants to talk about those problems, then talk about them, but he doesn’t have to spit venom at the white race in the process. Many of us are aware of the sexual crimes going on in Africa and are just as concerned as he. Who wouldn’t be concerned about babies being raped by grown men in the belief that it will cure them of A.I.D.S. or the number of girls being castrated, basically, mutilated sexually so they will never come to enjoy its’ pleasure?
If there should be any lines drawn, they should be drawn between the educated and the uneducated or, perhaps, the knowing and unknowing… Rev. Wright just showed the whole world his own ignorance. His comment about giving it up, definately shows his feelings toward women as castration is commonly used to keep women from “giving it up” as they are robbed of one of the gifts that we all receive from God… the ability to enjoy “mutual” pleasure.
IF he wants a forum to talk about the problems of the women of Africa, then come on with it. He’d get plenty of contributions and sympathy from white America… but please, don’t insult us with the same mind set that causes the problems in the first place.
Frank
That won’t get em in the news. How about really helping people. How about they go to Ford Heights Illinois and help the elderly people that are stuck in a neighborhood so poor they don’t even have a full time police department. Black on Black crime, the young wiping out the young, that don’t get them in front of a camera.
Reverend Wright:
The story of the uncastorated girl who was a virgin, by choice, shall remain in the news for many months more.
Maybe if you treated your women better you wouldn’t have to castorate them to keep them from running off in the first place.
There are reasons those women “run off”, as you put it and it’s not because of a high-school graduation celebration.
Pluck the sand from your own eye.
Link to contact Rev. Wright at Trinity Church
http://www.tucc.org/contact.htm
JFN,
Thanks for the link. What ever happened about the water search? Is it still on and when?
Wright married BO and his wife Michelle in 1992 at his trinity church in Chicago. BO’s estranged father was of Muslim decent. The middle name of Hussein is a name slogan to proclaim loyalty to Iraq.
I personally never would of voted for him anyway…but I must say some of his speeches were impressive, but who were they written by…..those of I’m sure, we wouldn’t want making decisions concerning our country…..I would never trust that man or any of the people he associates with…..who knows what’s in his back-pocket…
Better link:
info@tucc.org
If I were to join this church, would it make me a racist? Here is their doctrine:
Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the White Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These White Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Whites are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:
1.Commitment to God
2.Commitment to the White Community
3.Commitment to the White Family
4.Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5.Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6.Adherence to the White Work Ethic
7.Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8.Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness”
9.Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the White Community
10.Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions
11.Pledge allegiance to all White leadership who espouse and embrace the White Value System
12.Personal commitment to embracement of the White Value System.
You know where I am going with this.
I personally do not believe Obama is racist. Every candidate will be “6 degreed” from now till the primaries. Gotta love presidential politics - this one’s gonna be reallllly ugly. Should be good entertainment.
Good posts patti, btw.
If BO ever gained power of Commander and Chief I think our troubles would in the hands of the wrong people….making decisions and it wouldn’t be for America….talk about signing your death warrant…
Who really cares? He didn’t even say these things. It was the reverend of his church. Guess what people? I don’t always agree with the things my reverend says. People are entitled to a free mind. He is not an extention of his minister. George Bush visited Bob Jones University to try to garner votes. Does that make him a segregationist? No. He is allowed to think for himself. I guess all of you agree with all the people that you associate with. If so, you must be a terribly boring bunch.
JusticeforNatalee,
I’ve sent email to the Rev. Wrong.
Thank you, Yo Yo. It is a real compliment
coming from you.
I appreciate the posting of the 12 precepts and I agree with you. I don’t think that Obama is a racist either. The statement wasn’t made by him but, rather, his reverend. Maybe he thought that the humor would be acceptable and didn’t mean anything by it. People that aren’t used to being in the limelight often, without meaning to, say insulting things.
I for one would accept his apology, but it makes me wonder… is Obama more interested in helping the U.S. or Africa? Certainly, he should be interested in helping both, but not to the detriment of his own people.
Yo Yo - You would not be a racist if you adhered to the value system… perhaps more whites need to adhere to that system, as well. Racism is a burning hatred of the heart and there is only one thing that can put that fire out, the one in which the fire burns.
We should be proud of our race but loving to one another… isn’t that the White Value System?
I think that Joran and Paulus have been pulling some strings there.
Blogger - CRACK ME UP!!!!!
If in doubt - Blame Joran and Paulus!
For some reason there are those that are totally unfamiliar with the case of Natalee Holloway and perhaps to them, it would seem strange that this case would remain in the news as long as it has… over two years. And when you think about all the cases that have come and gone it is humbling to know that somehow, perhaps through the power of God, himself, the case has been kept alive and in the minds of people.
Some joke about it, and although it is upsetting, as you can see by my reaction, it is, truly, a testament to the dedication that so many people, including Scared Monkeys (although, all the ones that I have met don’t act like scaredy cats) have put into keeping it alive and in the hearts and minds of people.
I think Paulus and Joran prefer pulling
each other off, rather than strings!!!
If Nat was my daughter, I would have dropped by
to see them, and pumped enough holes into
them that I could run a garden hose up their
a$$hole$ and water Anita’s friggin petunias. -j4n
http://tinyurl.com/2mjfes
http://tinyurl.com/ysch5j
#57 yoyo muffintop…..your post is incorrect….you replaced ever black word with the word white….02-18-2007, Camel’s Nose….the committee adopted this black value(not white)..system in 1981….they said it was cute the way the author capitalized the word black but leaves the word white in lower case…meaning racist…it said Obama is a racist pig…this church is nothing but a bunch of psychotic and intolerant kooks…also this church is the black muslim cult with a name change…Obama is a blatanly racist presidental front runner whose allegiance is to Africa….quoted…there is also a black reporter on YouTube that he questions the christianity of this church…..
See What I Mean?!?!?!?!?!
Natalee!
http://tinyurl.com/ypjhcs
#54….Mike, yes the water search is still on….it has postponed until the latter part of October 2007….only because of all the missing they need to search for that might still be alive….they believe they know where Natalee is and the equipment that they are bringing will find her….this case could of been solved along time ago but Dompig wouldn’t make that one phone call necessary for Tim….!!!!!
Patti #61 - there should not be a “white value” system, imo. American yes, white or black no. But I actually do not have too much of a problem with the precepts of Obama’s church - after all only a short 40yrs ago the “whites” made the “blacks” drink from separate fountains. 40yrs ain’t that long. Double standard, maybe, but it takes generations to heal what we did (imo). Getting closer to healing, but no there yet…
#59 - Don’t worry, everyone will get their turn. Bright side is that it’s early - these obscure associations are much more devastating when played out a couple of weeks before voting. He’s still a very viable candidate.
But, Brie…
What makes the difference? Shouldn’t a black man be allowed to adopt his own way? What makes the white way the right way? Are they intolerant because of crimes that they have committed against society or are they intolerant because they take pride in their culture?
I want a president who puts us first, but also one that can address the problems within the African continent, as well as Asia, etc. But especially the African continent as their problems are massive. All of Africa, from South Africa up to the Sahara and into the Middle East is a hot zone intrenched with war, starvation and disease. What pure American wouldn’t want these problems to be addressed?
People objected to Kennedy because he was Catholic and he made a wonderful president.
If you do alot of research on Kennedy, you will see his presence was really bigger than what he had done to HELP us
In what regard?
WTF?
BO would have been better off just keeping his mouth closed and ugly words to himself!
Hey Barack,I doubt this will help your possible future job,not that YOU had a chance anyway.
Of all the good that could have come out of your ugly mouth,why did you choose to stand on your podium and attack a victim,a STILL MISSING victim?
You could have been a voice for Natalee and her family and a voice for Alabama.How many votes do you think you’ll get now?
Life is all about choices and…..karma.Looks like YOU made your choice.
IMO you owe Natalee and her family a public apology.We’ll see what choice you make now.
#69 Brie - yes, black was replaced by white and those are the precepts of Obama’s church. I thought it was obvious and might provoke a bit of discussion. My fault for not making that clear.
#74 - Obama did not say it, the Rev. did. “Six degrees of separation” if you will. His Rev said it therefore Obama said it? I don’t think so.
Say what you will about Mr. Obama, but slamming him for something a Rev of his church said is a bit of a stretch don’t cha think?
Correction on my post above,the whole post is to Rev.Wright except that last part.IMO Barack needs to puplically apologize to Natalee and her family and IF he can’t do that,get the mouthy Rev. to do it.
Yoyo,I just noticed mt mistake and corrected it.
And yes,I expect Barack to either apologize to Natalee and her family or get the Rev. to.
If Barack wants to hang out with maggots,then he will be known as the same.Maybe Barack should look more closely at who he stands with?Especially if he wants the job of running our country for 4 years.
I think the Reverend owes everyone an apology. Perhaps he can write one of his sermons and read it on “Good Morning America” and let the whole world know what a putz he is.
No doubt… we will hear nothing….that’s the
way the world turns - if you make an error, HIDE!
Just a couple of prejudice people in the news. The Reverend I guess accepts he is doing Gods will. It shows how some people delude themselves. Between the Reverends prejudice and biased views he hasn’t a clue what the truth is. Obama attends this church which means he is in favor of some of the biased views.
PS I am getting tired of people with an IQ below 70 talking about Natalee that haven’t got a clue.
I know good and damn well if the situation
was reversed, and someone said that about
a black individual, you’d have Jesse Jackson
trying dry hump your leg like a
big ol’ horny hunting dog.
So, why is it acceptable
to say about a white person?
Answer: It should not be. -j4n
http://tinyurl.com/jljbv
Go Cindy… Go Cindy…
No, I mean literally,
get the hell outta here!!!
http://tinyurl.com/yzsk2b
Yeah he’s still a viable democratic candidate, no one disputed that…
He’s right. White missing woman syndrome.
A black gal went missing from Birmingham in 2005. Still missing. Name that woman. (No fair peeking at the internet).
Okay the rev wrong (nice one sparrow) said it and one would have to ask why thats at the top of his list to speak about on Obama’s campain trail?? That crap wouldn’t be out there if Obama didn’t want it to be…..get real!
Obama’s green!!! This is just another example of his inexperience, and lack of understanding of the deep issues that are awaiting the winning candidate in ‘08.
I would venture to say that no one on this board really believed, or believes, that Obama will be the Dem candidate. Not gonna happen, folks, although the Right prays everynight that he’ll be the “Guy”!
As for the Rev. Wright…what a bigoted a&&hole!
You want to know about Africa and the black woman….. I know of someone who joined the Peace Core and was placed in a small village in Africa…for two years… African men do not want to please their women sexually….to put it quite bluntly they like dry sex….unappealing to their wifes and they say no, no, no because it hurts…the black man in turn finds the prostitutes and brings the aids back to the village…this doesn’t only happen in Africa….black women have been abused for years in our country….why do we have so much welfare…why do we have so much ADC…..
You want to talk about what we’ve done….the King of Africa sold his own people……….and those that are educated know this………
If you truly want to fell sorry for anyone….feel sorry for the Indians….
Update: Massive Letter-Writing Campaign to State Dept.:
Give Dutch a chance–hold off for now–maybe later
imogene; Do YOU know without looking. I have to admit there is a 13 year old black girl that was two weeks away from delivering a child right around Christmas. I admit I do not remember her name. But that was five years ago and I just mentioned to my wife we have never heard anything further. The father was a pastor of a radical assembly of god type of church. He and the rest of the family have sinced moved. I still think the father (reverend) had something to do with his daughter’s disappearance. Yes I’m white but I have feelings and wonder if (she?) will ever have closure. Apparently the parents had no further interest. I am friends with a few
officers and they still believe the father did it but have no evidence. Yes; I still pray for her.
White, black or whatever, no one has a right to take away that life. In this case two.
Did i ever believe BO would be the Dem candidate? Nope but know alot of Dem’s would like him to be & being propped up by Oprah doesn’t hurt in that party.
#71…I don’t understand your ?’s What makes a difference?…Shouldn’t a black man be able to adopt his own way.?…What makes the white way the right way?
Huh…Why does the gov’t bus black children into white neighborhoods?
I think our election and our votes should be based on what we can do for America…our main objective today is keeping America safe….not opposed to helping other countries but our loyalty belongs to America…that comes first and foremost…I don’t live in Africa and I don’t want too…our jobs are going to foreign countries leaving our people without employment…someday there is going to be a big SUCK and everyone will say what happened…we have a great country and have developed it so….but the gov’t is supposed to be for the people, we the people need to protect our own.
WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#87 Brie - that was a pretty racist post. Didn’t expect that. Care to clarify? Maybe I am reading it wrong, but I don’t think so.
“You want to talk about what we’ve done….the King of Africa sold his own people……….and those that are educated know this………If you truly want to fell sorry for anyone….feel sorry for the Indians….”
Please educate me on who the “king of africa” was for starters.
Abraham Lincoln:
“If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman’s two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said “the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.”
Brie - 620,000 soldiers died in the civil war. Slavery’s legacy is all around us. Sad but true.
THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME DECIDE WHO NOT TO VOTE FOR IN THE NEXT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
#87….a racist post…don’t criticize and then ask for help…..read your history books…find your own information, educate yourself…..you make statements and rarely know what your talking about…..sorry!!!!!!!!
brie,
first of all there is no such person as the king of africa (you sound like an idiot)
second of all, bussing ended 20 years ago!
third, the total inmate population that is black in the u.s. is 43% not 75%
fourth plenty of white guys treat women like crap, too
fifth, i’m pretty sure they don’t like to be called indians anymore
also, why the f..k should the black security guards thank natalee’s mom!!! they were wrongfully arrested and detained and slandered, why should they say thank you?
you are clearly a racist p.o.s. everyone can see through you. and like most racist people, you are stupid. and i don’t care if i offend you because you have offended me and i’m not even black or indian.
#95…the only slavery I know about is Ruby Croes and his sexual slaves….IN ARUBA…,.
The trolls need more rocks…………..!!!!!!
Brie:
My, My, My… you have been busy!
#91 - So what is the difference? Would not a black man be expected to want to contribute to his own community, culture and economic development or do you expect them to be happy putting their kids on the bus that take their children clear across town to go to school with people like you? You talk like one of those white supremists. Please, don’t tell me, you wear army boots, right?
#92 Keeping the world safe, keeps us safe. Whether it’s Africa, Europe, South America or the Gulf…. even Aruba, you putz!
#87 Oh My GOSH!!!! I heard they have tails, too.
*
Brie: Do me a favor:
Go join the Hillary camp…
I think you could do a lot
to even the score.
“also, why the f..k should the black security guards thank natalee’s mom!!! they were wrongfully arrested and detained and slandered, why should they say thank you?”
Beth halped get the security guards sprung. The fact that they were arrested in the first place and be traced back to Joran’s gang-raping, pedophile, of a dad. I hope for Paulus’ birthday
someone gets him something he can really use, like
a 9mm slug to the head for instance.
Beth halped get the security guards sprung. The fact that they were arrested in the first place and be traced back to Joran’s gang-raping, pedophile, of a dad.
Carpe:
I think with the things that have been said, that’s beside the POINT.
#98….King of Africa….consult the black educated folks, check your history books, visit the internet…bussing of children goes on all through the school year…currently…prison containment maybe higher then 75% for blacks…white’s commit crimes too…..Indians are still proud of their heritage…the black security guards were rescued by Beth….and they very much appreciated her help….
I hope there isn’t else…your either drunk or drugged….
http://tinyurl.com/ytfued
Water search is coming…Justice for Natalee..Prison for Joran and Paulus….
Beside the point?
Ya mean like every post you’ve ever written,
Patti… who is not even near California.
To all the morons who can’t stand it that Natalee’s story got so much air time:
It’s not even anywhere close to a realistic argument to suggest preferential media bias in covering missing persons.
Not all families of missing persons WANT media attention. Often times they just don’t want their dirty laundry dragged out in public or to be scutinized and talked about endlessly days on end. And we all know that’s a chance we take when we go public with our lives even by using the media to help find missing loved ones. Some people can’t handle that heat.
Also, some people’s lives are too hectic and demanding to take the time to keep doing interviews on the news shows.
I won’t banter on, just think before you open your stupid one track minds to voice. Or maybe you’re not really as stupid as you sound and you just like to dig at Natalee’s family and at Natalee which proves my point above…some families don’t choose to subject themselves to ignorant people who hurt them more when having a loved one missing is hurt enough.
Karma’s gonna gitcha! Just you wait and see.
Brie - nice try on the change of subjects…”King of Africa….consult the black educated folks, check your history books, visit the internet”
You gotta be kidding me - there were too many regions with too many kings to count. Who is THE singular “King of Africa” you are talking about. You are making yourself look very uneducated.
This is going to be my last post for the night…
all the excitement is just too much for me.
#104: Brie!
How can you sit there and make those statements with a straight face. Why don’t you do your own research and post it. I assure you that our prison population is not 75% black, but if it was, what would it say for our legal system?
There is no King of Africa. The slaves were not sold, normally, they were kidnapped just as they are today.
The boycott against Aruba is not based on hate, it’s based on our search for justice. If you’re here just to throw a few “rocks” you do nothing to further the cause.
I emplore you, look up the information that you believe exists and post the links, otherwise, please don’t make outlandishly racist comments because all it does is give Scared Monkeys and the boycott for Natalee a bad name.
Good Night…
Since when did I say I was in California?
Thanks Carpe, but I don’t belong in the Hillary Camp….I’m just opposed to any candidate, either party who represents anything other than what I think a candidate should represent!!! Actually, a strong 3rd party going in the right direction is not a bad idea…but we have none!!!!!!!!!
Patti….sink it!!!!!
Carpe:
I have lived lots of places, California being one of them. I’m sorry if I didn’t make my POINT clear enough for you but I have always thought that you and I had an understanding in spite of our differences.
We have lived different lives and as a result have developed different styles. We definately don’t “see” eye to eye but for the sake of Natalee we had put that aside. I find it amazing that you would chose to start an agrument over racial remarks. Honestly, I thought that we had much bigger and better things about which to differ… something with more substance.
Good Night, Carpe…
Patti…..the bad name for Scared Monkeys….your bizarre… a supporter for yo yo…I find your comments insulting….your accusations are idiotic…Being a sincere supporter of Natalee, are you?????????????????????????????? TROLL!!!!!!!
The first time around, before SM banned
your ass for acting like effin Cybil!!!
Are you on shrooms? This is like free thought
association night.
Great googlie mooglie!!!!
-j4n
Some people on here are just DAMN stupid!!!!!
Yeah… I think I was having a bad day. That was the first time that I saw the video of the rocks and the tortured, dead body of a beautiful young lady lying against the rocks and bushes with blood streaming down her back and into the crevices of her skin at her waist.
I still see it, Cybil or no Cybil.
Brie:
Yep, and some people have no more sense than to resort to name calling. Yo Yo and I, we’ve both been around for a long time and I can honestly say that I have never called her or anyone else a troll. Personally, I think it’s childish.
We have meetings of the minds.
Brie - so…who’s the “king of africa” again?
You post #87/#99/#104 but that’s ok since you think pj2k r/m/k Natalee. Got it…
Anyone coming here saying bussing ended 20 years ago should think twice before calling someone else an idiot.
And
No one said the SC should thank Beth, rather it is thanks to Beth these 2 SC were not railroaded as the killer’s of Natalee.
DUH!~
Wow that description of a tortured dead girl with blood flowing down her back sure came out of left field #118…..whats up with that?
Wow….WTF???Im in shock here….#98-Chloe, Im in the south and they still BUS black kids around….its terrible. I faxed, emailed and as soon as the church opens I will call. Im still so angry that this father of 4 daughters could speak such filth and if this is what is being fed into BOs mind or lack of, than I say we BOYCOTT him. Its a sorry day in America when this kind of blatent racism can come out of a mouth that represents God… Dispicable and if I was Beth or Dave I would SUE his sorry butt.
I am a member of TES and I am also involved in fighting human trafficking (so I know a bit about those victims in Africa the good Reverend spoke of).
I’ve seen this kind of thing a lot, and it all boils down to this in my humble opinion: people who say things like this see everything as a race issue, plain and simple.
http://www.tucc.org/contact.htm
I’d like to remind everyone that as angry as things like this make us, if you send anything to the Reverend, please be civil.
Obama has NOW shown what most of the politicians do they try to be black when needed , white when appropriate and any other darn thing just to get the people to vote them into an office and they then do as they please not what the people that elected them want done.
and that so called Reverend WOW what a poor excuse for a man supposedly of GOD ! Ill bet that GOD doesn’t blame Natalee and neither should any one else .
Jerry from Ohio , Obama has sunk his ship with me
Where did all the little kiddies go…lol?
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http://tinyurl.com/2a54wh
http://tinyurl.com/2ht3tm
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Justce for Nat.
Carpe, the one of sweaty papasloot looks like a deer caught in the head lights. What a freakin PIG. DAN, why should we be nice and civil to that racist snake? He can dish it out but cant take it??? Please….I have no respect for ppl lke him to use God as an excuse to belittle someone who cant defend herself….sickening
Once again, we’re yelling and screaming at each other. Our proper target is, or should be, the government of Aruba. Let’s keep that in focus.
It was said above that the water search has been postponed for a month or two. Once again … if those people who believe that they know where Natalee is, prove to be wrong, then what?
Honey catches more flies than vinegar, Vicki. If anyone sends the Reverend polite and thoughtful letter about his transgressions, he is more likely to read it and think about it than a hateful, vitriolic letter that he’ll throw away after the first two sentences.
The analogy really isn’t exact here, but something akin to the parable of salt and light.
Richard:
I agree with you but racism is an explosive issue. That’s why it was injected into the Natalee Holloway case through the lies that were told by the suspects. I, honestly, think that they were instructed to say those things. ie. saying that Natalee asked if the Kalpoes were Joran’s slaves and claiming that her mother was related to Hitler hits nerves on both sides of the fence. The Dutch hated Hitler.
I, honestly, think that the reverend is uninformed of the issues regarding Natalee Holloway and the government cover-up and was trying to make a point that there are numerous, sexual crimes being executed against women in Africa. He was complaining that the crimes against women in Africa doesn’t get enough press. The sad truth is that none of the crimes against women and children get enough press.
I wish only to remind him that it has been through the hard work of the loving mother of Natalee Ann Holloway that this crime continues to be in the press. Seeking justice, whether for a woman on vacation in Aruba or a helpless girl in Africa takes time, dedication and love. He should applaud the efforts of Natalee’s family in not giving up.
We pray for our sisters in Africa and all victims of violent crime and sexual exploitation everywhere.
Dan why has the deep sea search been postponed? I think everyone wants to know the reason behind it…..like i wanna know right now if the Aruban’s/Dutch National’s are protesting or stalling the search in any way. If you know.
WE need to get back on track here,Need to get Natalee back in the news.Everyone email foxnews every day concerning Natalee holloway and the SLANDER from Bill Oreilly.
#133….mayan, read post #69….water search, thanks….
Also, please keep in mind that the Rev.
isn’t a pimple on an elephant’s bum.
JOE WHOOOOO? Tell him your opinion, but gee
wiz, don’t write the Grapes of Wrath to
send to him. Fricken’ “Pootie Tang” has
a bigger fan base
than that cluster yutz! -j4n
#130…Richard…they believe her to be about 2 o 3 miles out, approximately 800 to 1000 feet deep….if she’s there I do believe they will find he…..if she’s not there then we move on….I would dearly love to know the answer to Jacobs statement….”How much money you got”?……
With all their dirty little secrets in Aruba, it sure does make one question on if and how many more….could be….some cases maybe never even made to the press because it came to an immediate stop with the ALE….if the Twitty’s and Holloway’s hadn’t of gone to Aruba with the help of our FBI….we wouldn’t of even found out what we know today….
I know we have a boycott but sometimes I think I want to go and plaster posters all over that island….Where’s Natalee, Straaten has seen the evidence!….. He’s the main person responsible for the cover-up, how you can go day after day and keep silent when you know what Natalee’s family is going through….and you continue to protect those responsible….a psychopath and a lying hole of a father…..
Also, Aruba cannot stop the water search this time…they are going into international waters….like they wanted to the first time…..
Amen to that, Richard
How dare you mention the water search being postponed, though…lol! Hmmm, maybe only a chosen few are allowed to do so here…
Remember Idi Amin Dada Oumee. 500,000 Plus Plus.
I won’t post anymore on this subject.
What happened to Natalee and where is she or her remains is my objective!!!!!!!!!!!
Vicki need some help for November
The fact remains:::::
Four left Carlos and Charlie’s
Three made it home.
Natalee did not,
Where is Natalee?
Beth has claimed from day one that Paulus Van der Sloot stated on the morning of May 31, 2005 in front of his residence that he had driven to McDonalds at 4:00 AM on the morning that Natalee went missing to pick up Joran and ?. This info was recorded in her journal, and witnessed by all others at the Van der Sloot residence that night. Within two and half weeks of that encounter, Paulus Van der Sloot denied Beth’s claims and insisted that he had stated that he had picked up Joran at 11:00 PM on the evening of Mar 29, 2005.
My guess it was not the McDonalds in Noord at 11:00PM but the one in Santa Cruz at 4:00AM: after he, Joran was dropped of there by the Kalpoes on their way home from Lorenzo’s????
Hooiberg is a stone’s throw from Santa Cruz.
Perhaps Natalee was there when Joran was picked up.
Notice how all the lies take us away from:
Noord, Montana, Seveneta, Hooiberg, Santa Cruz the incinerator in San Nicolas and the mine shafts in Seroe Cristal (Black Crystal)
#140…..remember him….sure do!!!!!!!
Where is Vicki going to be in November?
brie - have you remembered who the “King of Africa” was yet? haha. You were throwing out all kinds of insults regarding how someone is uneducated if they don’t know who this king was. So tell us brie, who was the “King of Africa”?
Maybe Paulus never even went home that night…no witnesses…something he wouldn’t want Anita to know about….maybe Joran and Paulus were never at McDonald’s….one thing we do know…a withdrawal was made at the ATM machine at 4:00AM…..Paulus’s timeline and his were-abouts were never questioned, not even brought up and yet he was s suspect…I read where the police reports and documents were given to Paulus by Straaten, that’s why there missing and what is there has been alter……
STRAATEN DID THE COVER-UP!!!!!
Many thoughts there are: WHERE IS NATALEE
Sharks
Incinerator
Mine Shafts
Cemetery
Ocean
Videos of Marriott Basin
Abduction
#141
Paulus said Elf UUR. That is 11:00 in dutch.
PS - Richard
If Natalee isn’t on the ocean floor, then I reckon it’s back to ’square one’…
I’ll have to admit, this is a weird stretch. To link Obama with the Natalee case is strange indeed. A straight FP on Obama, or Clinton or whomever doesn’t get many posts but link it to Natalee, and you’ve created a THREAD!
I’d like to see a FP on how the Bush admin has left Natalee’s family on the cold.
Many of us has wondered why our gov’t has turned a blind eye against the rape and murder of a young promising American young lady.
Instead of trying link political candidates to 6 ways of Kevin Bacon, shouldn’t we be asking our current president why his administration isn’t putting pressure to bear on this 3rd world country so dependant on the American $$ — where is Natalee?
An answer to #133 about the deep water search. It has been delayed because the owner of the boats is now using them for his business. Tim’s other search delayed the use of the boat and its now not available. The owner is buying a new boat partly for this search and getting it outfitted and I believe Tim will get to be the first to use it.
Where is the article that Mr. Wright said this? If he did say these’s things he is Now Mr. Wrong. Wrong on all counts. Lord help this man get the facts straight before he speaks..Amen
#143….Fried Dough….Yeah….Yo Brotha!!!!
Go look it up…..hint……he was(King in Africa) sold his people for 250000(British pounds)per year in 1750
Comments were directed to you and Patti…(but Patti said she was having a bad day)
And don’t post anymore adopted documents for us to read and change the wording on purpose….what you did was untrusting and deceiving……
You have insulted and belittled alot of people on this board continually….. and have been told about this before….I would think by now you should of gotten the message…..
brie:
I do not believe the ATM withdrawals were ever confirmed. All including myself might (assume) that it was the bank near Montana. On the other hand it could have been any of the branches with an ATM.
There are branches in Santa Cruz and San Nicolas.
Dave never mentioned which church he went to to talk to the priest. Again an assumption that it might be St. Ana in Noord across from the Noord police station. Does anyone know which church it was? I don’t know where vickie will be in November. I’m trying to make arrangements to get to Philadelphia November 17 and 18. Actually The Valley Forge Convention Center in King of Prussia.
Yoyo, put a sock in it…I’M the King of Africa, OK? Now leave Brie alone, you twit.
Patti, you need to stop drinking while posting. Thanks.
Vicki need some help for November.
Notice how the sentence is worded.
Notice how vague it is. Just like the info coming out of Aruba.
Vicki need(s) some help for November.
Vicki (I) need some help for November.
Vicki (,) need some help for November?
Where is Vicki going to be in November?
I believe that is why what we get from Dutch to English is the same thing. You sometimes are left to your own interpretations or to the discretion of the translator.
At times reading the releases etc. are, to me, totally confusing.
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SM: I believe there is a Travel Trade show in November that Vicki may be trying to get people to go to. Not sure, I’ll have to check (klaasend)
# 149 - Steve Holloway, The article is on News Max. Hopefully the link below will work
God Bless You All!!
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/8/8/194812.shtml?s=lh
Have a nice day folks…..Thank You Disgustedmom…
Well this is the last time I will read here. It’s not only white arrogance but ignorance. Whats wrong? I thought you were above spreading fear and bullshit. Your republican plantation roots are showing.
Yes, there is a travel show in November….1906 email me…Klaas, I need my password to get in the cage..I seem to have lost it. There are 5 shows coming up before the end of the year…email me at VolunteersforNatalee@gmail.com
one is in Chicargo in Sept,one is in Pa in November…one in Minnesota in October,Ft lauderdale in November and Vegas in December… We need volunteers ppl Please if you are near any of these places please email me. Thanks
Thanks Susan. I can’t believe this man is a preacher, a preacher of blame and hate. Where is the Lord in his words? We all at times lose it and say things we regret then we have to ask forgiveness and repent. I was angry at first when I looked at the article, but now I feel sorry for Mr. Wright. God wants us to live a life of peace; an example would be my brother Dave Holloway. Do you think anything at all pertaining to Aruba; the way he was treated, and answers about Natalee has been fair for Dave? Do you see him striking out in hate? NO WAY. He has not been perfect, but you can say he is truly a Godly man. I hope we can all live life the way it is meant to be lived. Hope you have a nice day……..Steve Holloway
Steve, you’re so right about Dave Holloway. The quiet strength of a good man, one who believes in God, should be an inspiration to Barrack Obama as well as Rev. Wright.
Steve, Looking back, your brother has been my pillar of strength. He is truely a man of God. The way he carries himself for the world to see, knowing that Natalee was Daddys little girl…it just breaks my heart. I too was furious at this reverend…sprewing hate, but then I realized that good ppl will see him for what he is…Im so sorry for your familys troubles and heartache. God bless you and them….
WELL, CALL ME MISS. CLEO OR SYLVIA BROWNE, but…
I predict one day someone will bust a cap in Paulus’ Vandersloot’s big bloated, gelatinous a$$, and bring in the three boys in the middle of the night, to beat the living yak snot out of them. It’ll be solved in a couple of
short hours.
Paulus, the gambling, womanizing, alcoholic, pedo sent MINI ME off to Holland to escape the short & stubby arm of Aruban Law Unenforcement
NO OTHER REASON!
He is lying in wait, hoping so much that A.L.E. signs off on the case, calling it cold. As soon as that happens, he’ll fly back to LIE-RUBA, to nestle himself in his momma’s McDonnell-Douglas BOEING 767 bazoonies!
BE AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID!
BTW- Anita, you really should get some FAA certified night time run lights put on those things… because one of these days someone
is going to POKE THEIR EYE OUT.
NOW- (Joran in Holland)
We know he could not have been sent to Holland for any other reason, because the inept, little flaming turd biscuit is…
DUM DE DUM DUMMMMMMM!
(Dragnet sound effects)
This dude is so effin stupid, he makes “Ernest”
from the movie Ernest Goes To Camp, look like
Alan Greenspan. Joran is so over the top ‘TOOPID, you could use his head for a highschool
gymnasium doorstop.
I mean sincerely, he should be required to
carry an idiot permit.
Ohhhhhh, he’s studying to open up a busines!
Ohhhhhhhh Ahhhhhhh. HE GON’ BE A BI-NESS MAN!!!
Gotta be handlin’ ALL MY BINESS.
What kind? A drive-thru whore house??? Hello & thanks for stopping by JORDY’S CHICKEN AND WAFFLE, that’ll be 6 sheckles, drive around to the next window & give all yerrr
money to my father. You can’t miss him… he
is standing perfectly still behind a tree,
hiding from Beth Holloway-Twtty, and
pretty much acting like a giant all
around pu$$y.
We hope you enjoyed your meal
today, and yes, that is the truth.
(for now anyway)
Here’s a BIG BREAK…
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…don’t say I never gave ya nothin’
(2 B continued - errand time) -j4n
#158 - Steve, You are very welcome
I too find it difficult to believe that Mr. Wright calls himself a ‘Man of God’. There were no words in the so-called Reverend Wright’s message in reference to Natalee that our God Himself would have ever spoken
To put it mildly, Dave was treated like a criminal in Aruba. All he wanted (and still wants) was (is) to find Natalee, but he was treated like dirt! I still get angry thinking about how poorly Natalee’s loved ones were treated there
I was honored to meet Dave in Brookwood at a book signing last year and have nothing but the highest amount of respect for him
Hope you have a nice day also…Susan
I’m amazed that some of you appear to be defending Rev. Wright. And yes, I do indeed differ with some things the minister at my church might say or do, but I guarantee you that if he said something so outlandishness and racist as the statements by Wright, I would be out of that church and never return.
Why was 9/11 a wake up call to “White America”? Black Americans were also killed in 9/11.
How on earth can Rev. Wright have any clue that black women are raped in Africa by Natalee “gave it up”? Doesn’t he care about black women raped in every country? Why does he dare to judge Natalee?
Wright is a divider and a racist. I don’t want my President believing he owes one sector of Americans more allegiance than another. The president is suppose to be for all Americans.
While I’m not a democrat, I thought BO was an “interesting” candidate, lacking experience, but at least with some good ideas - until lately. His statements in debates along with these statements by the minister of a church he continues to attend really scare me that someone with those ideals could get so close to the presidency.
I don’t care what religion he is - Mitt Romney is a Mormon and while I don’t support his religion, I support him. What I care about is his beliefs and I’m now convinced that BO is a racist and a danger to the US.
Mr. Wright’s statement was not only insensitive, it was racist. Yet it’s funny how when anyone protests WE get branded a racist.
The thing with the black racists is that unless you make white people out to be racists, you are a racist. No one is supposed to call a spade a spade or even talk about blacks and whites as equals, and I’m so overly tired of this mindset that so often creates racism where none really exists.
Mr Preacher Man, if he wanted to make a point about black women being raped in Africa, did not need to make any comparison to anywhere else or toward any ONE person. He most certainly did NOT need to use a WHITE girl as a comparison. Black women being raped daily in Africa is a problem all in itself that can stand entirely alone in its travesty without comparison to give it importance. Comparison only relegates some instances as a higher priority than others, but ALL RAPING IS EQUALLY BAD so why make comparisons?
But you see, Mr Racist Preacher Man could not possibly lay the entire blame for black women being raped daily on other blacks; he had to add in that polarizing White factor to blame the world instead, as if to say “You crackers only care about your own”. As if, IF whities cared about blacks being raped in Africa it would stop.
News Flash!
Raping is not going to stop until rapists have their testicles hacked off! It’s a mindset that has no bearing on race or social standing. It’s a mindset of disrespect for females, often even a hatred for them.
Mr Racist Black Man Preacher proves by his remarks that he thinks a low percentage of rape going on is OK. That’s the same attitude many of Aruba and Joran’s fans have come up with. Just one girl! So what?
I’ll tell you, so what? All problems start with ONE then when ignored or devalued gives rise to TWO and THREE until it snowballs out of control, and that is what happened on Aruba when they made assumptions about Natalee stereotyped as ALL females are nymphomaniacs especialy after drinking. Yep, that’s what happens as they see it…a girl drinks and the next thing she starts to think about is screwing some guy’s eyeballs out!
But by and large that mindset is made up by men who want sex no matter if they have to rape to get it. They convince themselves that when a girl says, No, she’s making a challenge for them while really meaning, yes but I want to you to rape me for it.
Back to Africa though….those men don’t even care if they make more and more babies they can’t take care of. Something is wrong with their sense of humanity over there…and I won’t go so far as to say it is an isolated problem only in Africa. It’s not! But first and foremost PEOPLE need to concern themselves with HUMANITY as a whole and just stop with the blaming one skin color or one gender for their own inability to control their sexual urges!
Maybe we should send the males in Africa some X-boxes to play with so they’ll get off that other sort of box… LOL…and take their aggressions out on some video games.
164. disgusted mom:
“Just one girl! So what?”
……
Right, dm.
It is always JUST A GIRL, or not that big
of a problem-o!!! That stuff only happens
to other people on the news, right?
Then, you get a ring at your front door… and that ‘just a girl’ … happened to be ‘JUST YOUR GIRL’ today.
Examples: Natalee, Kelsey, Kara, Stepha,
Paige, Lisa, & Channon
…and then it hits you like a brick wall.
All of sudden, it ain’t so friggin’ knee slappin’ hysterical anymore. In fact, it got very unfunny, really fast for some reason.
-j4n
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THANK YOU MR. HOLLOWAY for answering my question. It’s a relief to know that the delay in the deep sea water search is due to logistics on our side and not the meddling and stalling tactics the Aruban’s/Dutch Nataional’s are known for.
The Aruban/Dutch like to use racial tensions to stir the pot and deflect the real issue in this case and that issue is gender bias. The way the Dutch have women behind store front glass for sale…..grown men of the country making a living off the back’s of women and the thumbs up for drugging young women & little girls on Aruba say it all about what they think of the female gender.
Aruban’s were just fine letting the 2 black men take the rap for killing Natalee so please…..don’t come here & call us racsist’s coz it makes you look very foolish.
Carpe said…”Then, you get a ring at your front door… and that ‘just a girl’ … happened to be ‘JUST YOUR GIRL’ today.”
So right! I guess Anita can’t empathize with that though since she doesn’t have a girl for that to happen to.
Some of us though, who truely care about others, don’t have to have a girl of our own to know ‘one girl’ is important.
And Mayan…you are right on too with, ” The Aruban/Dutch like to use racial tensions to stir the pot and deflect the real issue in this case and that issue is gender bias. The way the Dutch have women behind store front glass for sale…..grown men of the country making a living off the back’s of women and the thumbs up for drugging young women & little girls on Aruba say it all about what they think of the female gender.”
The women of Aruba apparently feel honored to have men see them as a piece of meat, too. The men only get away with it because the women let them.
In re the water search, please keep in mind:
It is the obligation and duty of the Dutch and of Aruba to do this in the first place. More than two years later, and our own government still is indifferent to the blatant cover-up in Natalee’s case.
I only wish that some of the innumerable candidates for the presidential election next year were hammering this point home, night after night, demanding that our government take action to uphold the interests of an American family.
Instead, we hear only the contemptible garbage that “rich white girls” somehow don’t matter as much as the citizens of other countries.
Let’s not throw insults at each other … but let’s do what we can to point out that our own government is doing nothing (as far as we can see) in this case.
Maybe some candidate will figure out that letting the rights of ANY American be swept under the rug by a foreign government is an injustice to EVERY American and to ALL Americans.
And isn’t ours the country where everyone is supposed to be equal before the law? So let’s put out this message: the rights of ALL of us are sacred.
And if we won’t speak out to protect the rights of all of us in the face of a hostile foreign government … then who will?
Sorry that I’m not able to post as often as I had been doing, but my computer is in storage in Vermont and I am in Denver, where it is HOT.
# 156
I can see why people are still
wondering about you.
Don’t rack your biscuits on the door knob
on the way out.
Disgusted Mom:
Respectfully, I assure you, I was not drinking.
Mayan #167:
I agree. The issue is gender bias and the issues that I was raising in response to the Reverned’s comment was, precisely, dealing with gender bias:
Wright on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway: “Black women are being raped daily in Africa. One white girl from Alabama gets drunk at a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and gives it up while in a foreign country and that stays in the news for months.” (News Max)
His statement is FULL of gender bias and my reaction to his statement, I believe, explained why. In Muslim culture, it is customary to attempt to circumcise young girls and women in an attempt to keep them from “running off” or seeking out sexual pleasure. This procedure is done in and attempt to reduce their libido or desire to have sexual relations. Ususally what results is a total mutilation or castration of the sexual organ.
This issue has been raised by several human rights groups and some girls and women have seeked assylum in the United States as well as other countries to avoid the mutilation. The fact that he speaks of Natalee as a girl who runs off and gives it up was disturbing because it reminded me of the mind set that is often used to suggest this procedure to families, especially, fathers in the Muslim religion.
Here are a couple links that talk about the religious standards that they base the act another that talks about the numbers of girls and women that are being subjected to this violent act and the effects.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_cirm.htm
http://www.nocirc.org/symposia/first/badawi.html
I hope they work for you.
In closing I would like to say that rape is not just a sexual act, it’s an act of power and control. I believe Beth when she says that her daughter was a virgin. The problem that I find with the statement by Reverend Wright is that he assumes too much. He suggests that any sexual act between Natalee and the perpetrator(s) was concentual. The whole idea behind sexual mutilation is the assumption that women will be controlled by their human sexual desires instead of their spiritual values. The point that I was trying to make is that women, just like their counterparts, can practice abstanance without being butchered. Natalee was a good example of that.
He does, indeed, owe the family of Natalee Ann Holloway an apology. She was raised a Christian and lived according to her convictions.
Justice for Natalee
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Yes you’ve addressed the gender bias issue in earlier posts Patti and i’ve known about the mutilations of African girls for a long time now….it’s sickening. There was a multiple murder in Dekalb Ga this week involving a uncle or someother male family member wanting or actually trying to perform the same *procedure* on a child 12 or younger.
Hey Richard!
It’s HOT here too…..had 113 degree heat index 1 day this week! sheeesh~
It really ticks me off that more in our government did not drop the hammer on Aruba. A few governor’s stepped up & Rice met with Beth giving hope that this criminal charade would be put down BUT then i saw a pic of Rice meeting with O’goober too…
“I can see why people are still
wondering about you.”
lol Carpe!
you always say it so well!~
I was not going to post on this issue anymore; but I’m sorry I have to. I don’t believe I am a bigot. I have a black daughter-in-law and a tremendously smart and extremely cute black grand-daughter.
“Wright on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway: “Black women are being raped daily in Africa. One white girl from Alabama gets drunk at a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and gives it up while in a foreign country and that stays in the news for months”.
He used a very erroneous and bad analogy.
He is just like the Arubans. They may tell the truth, but they do not tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
PRAY TELL ME WHO MAY BE RAPING THESE black women in Africa? Did I miss something or have aliens landed there?
Could be BO’s brothers?
dm…..i’m not sure what to make of Aruban women but theres not a doubt in my mind that the men of Aruba manipulate them in many ways. Saying or doing things with American women to make Aruba’s women jealous or angry being at the top of the list.
Could it be black men?
Imagine if a white guy had raped all the women in Africa…..man those headlines would be screeching!
BUT
Since its 98% black men raping the African women we won’t do anything about it except use it in a referrence & reason to dismiss a white girl murdered on Aruba…
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