The Dana Pretzer Show – Monday, July 23rd, 2007 – Special Guests Larry Synclair, Jossy Mansur, LaDonna Meredith, Attorney Jay Paul Deratany


The Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys Radio

Special Guests: 

  • Larry Synclair – Discusses The PARENT ACT “Proposed Legislation” – The Parental Abduction Recovery, Enforcement and Network Training Act
  • Jossy Mansur - Discusses The Natalee Holloway Investigation
  • LaDonna MeredithLet’s Bring Them Home, a national missing person’s advocacy group, announces the launch of Project Dead Zone – an initiative to find answers in the cases of missing persons along the 100-mile stretch from Shreveport, Louisiana to Houston, Texas dubbed as the “dead zone.”
  • Attorney Jay Paul Deratany – Discussing the To Catch a Predator sting which was conducted with law enforcement in Murphy, Texas and Perverted Justice.

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    62 Responses to “The Dana Pretzer Show – Monday, July 23rd, 2007 – Special Guests Larry Synclair, Jossy Mansur, LaDonna Meredith, Attorney Jay Paul Deratany”

    1. 10061906 on July 23rd, 2007 8:32 pm

      Sparrow: A follow up from yesterday; I apologize.
      Have alibis for May30th 2005 from: Geoff, Guido, Michael Dompig or Andre; been established and documented anywhere? Or better yet have any of them been required to provide an alibi for 5/29-30 ’05? I don’t think so.
      My guess for a time line for everyone from what I have read would be:
      Geoff was home and after being called left to go to Joran’s. He lives about 15 to 20 minutes away. He would have gotten there around 1:30AM.
      Guido got off work around midnight and decided to drop in on “Lover Boy” at his “HOUSE”.
      Guido after going home and changing clothes got to Joran’s around 1:30AM.
      Michael Dompig and Andre were at C and C’s and probably called Joran to come over since Natalee was not within her normal circle of friends.
      Their vehicle did not resemble a taxi cab so they could not convince Natalee to accept a ride but the exchange student staying at the HI with Deepak’s car could.
      They left to go to Joran’s picking up Koen: perhaps Sanders; and Freddy on the way.
      They would have gotten there around 1:30AM.
      Natalee could have lost her cab fare back to the HI or it was stolen. A convincing Joran; since he was staying at the same Hotel, offered Natalee a TAXI ride back and she in a drugged stupor, accepted.
      Joran, Deepak, Satish and Natalee would have gotten to Joran’s around 1:30AM.
      “I don’t even know these people”. Natalee could have been referring to Koen, Sanders, Freddy, Michael Dompig and Andre et al.
      None of the above five seemed to have made contact with Natalee during her stay.
      Apparently Geoff, Guido, Michael D, Andre and Lorenzo have been questioned at one time or another and two were arrested. Something had to raise a flag for them to be brought in for (Questioning?).
      Why the long arm of the law stretching all the way to the Netherlands to arrest Guido for heavy battery (one faction who dislikes PVDS) only to release him without presenting a deposition; only because he is “gay”.( the faction that likes PVDS). Was this a limp attempt to show that Aruba was actively engaged in trying to solve this case?
      You know Aruba can be dumb like fox and be so smart they border on stupid. Why even mention bringing those five in for questioning unless they were part of the conspiracy and were brainwashed into the same cover up story. If you noticed with the exception of the two guards; everyone questioned is a pimp member. All are sons of prominent fathers. All are between the ages of 17 and 21 with the exception of Mr. XTC. Natalee was taken to the house of a prominent lawyer. Why have Koen write an additional 20 page deposition only to again throw it away. Why wouldn’t his father allow more questioning? ALE; “oh that is okay sorry to bother you Mr. Gottenbos, we won’t bother sponge bob wet pants anymore”.
      Or in other words; don’t worry no one will be questioning any of you again as long as you all stick to the same story. Therefore: there IS NO pressure on anyone to make them crack and spill the preverbal beans. No one can claim the reward because all are involved. Only Joran who was under 18 would get less than 8 or 15 years as a minor and the K2′s could get 8 years as accomplices, if all were to be convicted. It could be a sentence subjective to the judge’s opinion.
      But then it would take a convincing oration from the prosecutor to accomplish that in an Aruban courtroom; and we all know who worked in the prosecutor’s office. This whole case is gift wrapped and ready to be thrown out.
      Once the case is considered cold Joran and the K2′s will be off the hook. I’ m really pi$$ed that apparently they have covered all the bases.
      Just like Natalee we trusted Aruba as a safe and happy island. That Aruba would bring truth, justice and closure for Natalee. Little did we know Aruba is this side of HELL!!
      We know who and where; however; there is nothing we can do except boycott Aruba and proclaim the injustice you will receive if you become a victim on Aruba. We should be crying out loud for down with The Hague and its’ World Court status.
      I would like to think differently, but I feel there will be no closure for Natalee.
      Motive? The Game and Revenge
      Who? All of the above
      Where? His HOUSE.
      How? Drugs, Alcohol, Choking and repeated sexual abuse.
      Sparrow: See I had enough for one more ending.

    2. mrs. red on July 23rd, 2007 11:28 pm

      All the guests were so informative…great show Dana!

    3. Carpe Noctem on July 24th, 2007 1:50 am

      They will take him out SOON, I think. I think that is why

      they are playing handsies between Aruba and NL right now. imo

      NL sure doesn’t want to be the ones to have to announce

      stuff… that is ‘lethal toxin.’

      They’re like, Yo Aruba, YOU DEAL WITH YER OWN NIGHTMARE

      that you built, we cannot help you now, not

      after the crap you

      have pulled!!!

      A proclamation of CLOSED CASE, I think… is

      the equivalent of four death warrants.

      They know that. That is the reason for the hat dance.

      The old me would be horrified at such an action

      of “DIRTY JUSTICE.”


      SLOOT world… a world where

      brutal blood thirsty murderers and rapists walk the streets,

      seemingly with impunity,

      savoring their next “stalk” and “kill”…

      As they issue stiff prison sentences for Martha Stewart,

      Paris Hilton, and Scooter effing Libby, for crying


      I would just like to say…

      Joran, Paulus, Deepak and Satish…

      (imo) I think someone is going to put

      “A BIG HURTIN’”

      ON YOU brother


      …and it probably could not happen to

      four nicer guys on Earth…

      C-ya in hell guys,

      say hi to 2 PAC for me,

      tell him ” I love his music.” -J4N

    4. Observer on July 24th, 2007 2:32 am

      Good post 1006

      We have seen some of the interrogations and they are suspicious in themselves. Also set up by Judge Smid who made sure JK2 would not be questioned again unless there was new evidence even though at the time many inconsistencies and lies were shown to him. It has been two years and they have never been questioned again even though the Aruban courts said that PVDS had two contacts with Natalee and one of them may have been at 4am and another talking to her in the casino. Never questioned again even though none of there stories match up.

      What we have seen from the PV’S that a important question for Investigators was about girlfriends of the PIMPS. Guido said he couldn’t be involved because he was gay even though in Jorans book he said him and guido had girlfriends. I suppose they could both go both ways since Guido had stated that him and Joran had a relationship. What reasons would they have to arrest Guido on Charges like Heavy Battery??

      One day after Joran’s confession he states to Investigators that he thinks Deepak raped and killed Natalee..That was good enough for them as there were no further questions asked..LIke WHY HE WOULD SAY THAT. Well if you ask Deepak why he said that he simply says ask Joran..We know they have wanted to re-interview JK2 many times since then but the suspects simply said no thanks..

      Everyone knows by know that the beach story was a lie and most probable it all went down at the sloots house. Makes sense after another judge friend limited the search just to Jorans little Apt the day of the search. That was weeks after it should have been searched and weeks after Joran said in his PV that he took Natalee to his house. We all heard that PVDS freaked out on Tim Miller when they asked to search his property. Who was the witness that said something by the garden?? What are the odds he took Natalee to his brother Lorenzo’s house after that??

      I believe Phone records and Timelines are the key and can be matched up easily to all who was involved. Just how many contacts did PVDS have with Jan Van Der Straaten and Rudy Croes? What dis-information people has Anita been working with? Why did they subpoena the phone records of Mr.Pink? Was a call placed at 6:30AM to the VDS house from the southern part of the island? Is it possible that Natalee tried to phone for help about the same time as the bank transactions of PVDS? IF she did make those calls who’s phone was it from? We all know it couldn’t have been Sander’s phone since his was stolen earlier that day.

    5. Observer on July 24th, 2007 2:54 am

      Joran and Anita have told us personal details about Natalee like the embroidery and color of her underwear and her lack of pubic hair. Did the ALE and these liars actually think we would believe that he saw this from the back of deepaks car and a very dark beach??

      Did they think by taking this article of the internet that it would all be forgotten? They knew all this on june 1st but still tried to pin it all on the security guard thanks to there multi witness Buti who also said Natlee had cocaine. I suppose this was mistake just like the blood in Deepaks car,The confession,One Size 14 shoe,The report from a newspaper that she was dead,Junior who saw them all bury her at the landfill,The guy in a mental hospital that says he helped bury Natalee…I suppose that when they were leading everyone to her body after the confession that was a mistake as well. Also a mistake that the ALE waited to dig more in that area after all the press had left in the middle of the night..Many Arubans think they found something..They must have been mistaken.

      Here we have Deepak suing for 800 million when we have Steve Cohen Aruban Spokesman telling us on National TV that at least two had sex with her and then we have this article that all 3 had sex with her which must be another mistake. That would be too ridiculous if they all had sex with her then lies where they dropped her off and then Natalee was never seen again..Strangely enough Dennis Jacob at this time told Dave Holloway that they werent involved.

      AM Digital Article from June 4th 2005
      Authorities decided to decided to comb the above mentioned area(Arashi to Westpunt) after interrogating the three young men who were last seen with Natalee. The three young men declared they took Natalee to that area had sex with her,and then dropped her at the Holiday Inn Resort. The security cameras of the resort however do not show her enetering the hotel at any time that evening. As a result of this the three witnesses who saw her last now become suspects.

    6. Richard on July 24th, 2007 7:58 am

      1006 … Remember, Natalee’s cousin, the last one to watch the car as it was driving off, saw it stop at a bar near Carlos ‘n’ Charlies. He saw Deepak Kalpoe get out, rush in the bar, and come out very soon thereafter.

      In my view, there’s only one possible explanation for that stop. It was to give a signal … maybe no more than a nod or a hand wave … to someone waiting there, saying that they had a girl, or perhaps that they had THE girl.

      No cell-phone conversations to overhear. No evidence. Not even a word spoken, perhaps. Just a pre-arranged signal to the other “Pimps” lurking nearby to see if the plan worked.

      Let’s hope we find out.

    7. Miss-Underestimated on July 24th, 2007 10:05 am

      Great Show… As Jossy mentioned, why is there not charges for Joran and his underage gambling and drinking as proven on the casino video. Come on Aruba, time to man-up or are you still trying to perfume that pig?

    8. Chuck on July 24th, 2007 12:52 pm

      I’m sorry but….

      I can’t believe people are boycotting this island. I just got back from an amazing Aruban honeymoon and I can’t wait to go back. I came across a petition website in which 7,000+ people have signed, boycotting Aruba. Maybe I’m insensitive because I’ve lived in Oakland, Ca where people die just about every other day, but to me, this case should not (and when you get there, will not) affect one’s opinions of this beautiful, safe island.


    9. Meee on July 24th, 2007 1:37 pm

      Chucky baby you need to take a good hard look in the mirror. Your not insensitive because you live in Oakland. It’s because you have no soul. Go troll somewhere else. Now for the real reason i’m here. Did O’reilly even bring up the Holloway case last night???

    10. Miss-Underestimated on July 24th, 2007 1:50 pm


      I think if you followed this case you would see why there is a move to boycott. Good thing you and your spouse came back, that was not the case for Natalee, and we, who have followed this case since June 2005, know that this involves the Aruban Law Enforcement and Aruban Travel, cover up of the facts of this case and the direct intent to disway tourists to say their beautiful island is safe for tourists, when infact it is not.

      I was at HHI in SC last week, a group who normally went to Aruba (who have young daughters) decided they would not go, they were afraid if something happened, they would not have the cooperation of the ALE, a DIRECT action of the Natalee Ann Holloway case.

      Chuck, I am glad you came back okay, unlike Natalee Holloway

    11. JusticeforNatalee on July 24th, 2007 1:57 pm

      #8 Nice try, ChuckieRat or whichever troll you are:
      so much for your fictitious blurb!

      American citizen Natalee Holloway is being denied
      justice by the island of Aruba.

      Yes, crime happens everywhere.

      However, Aruba’s tourism downturn is a result of its victim and family trashing, the corrupted investigation, and likely coverup.

      Come clean, punish the perps, and save your tourism, Aruba!
      The smear campaign will continue to backfire.


    12. JusticeforNatalee on July 24th, 2007 2:01 pm

      Just in case # 8 is a real post–where is that article/piece about
      the COUPLE that was drugged on Aruba?

    13. JusticeforNatalee on July 24th, 2007 2:03 pm

      If you are an honest poster, please check out
      the crime and murder thread. You will see that
      Aruba is neither very safe nor happy.

    14. 10061906 on July 24th, 2007 2:12 pm

      Are you sure you and your wife can remember everything that went on while you were honeymooning on Aruba?
      Can you really?
      Just a memory check.
      I forgot; you were on your honeymoon and probably didn’t get the opportunity to see the sites; like drugs and pushers and pimps and things that may go bump in the night.
      I hope you didn’t stay at the HI; the consumation of your marriage may have been video taped.
      Just kidding or maybe….

    15. Chuck on July 24th, 2007 2:14 pm

      I don’t feel I to prove, nor defend myself, but yes, I was there for a total of 8 days (actually, we arrived right before Jolly Pirates tipped over because of the insane wind. We took the Snorkel, Swim, and Swing tour on Tuesday, July 17 and had a blast). I have read the articles and posts and will continue to defend Aruba and wear my “I Love Aruba” shirt with pride. I wish I never posted anything in the first place because now I am going to waste my time looking back at all the crap that will be posted in response. Oh well. Go ahead, boycott the island. More room for ME!

    16. 10061906 on July 24th, 2007 2:31 pm

      chuck if you think that is not possible. How about the couple that stayed at a Pocano resort honeymoon suite..
      Ten years later they went back for their anniversary and decided to rent a porn tape. Guess who they watched.
      Yep: only they were ten years younger.
      Lawsuit was about 5 mil

    17. Carpe Noctem on July 24th, 2007 2:55 pm

      “I wish I never posted anything in the first place because now I am going to waste my time looking back at all the crap that will be posted in response.”

      They have pills for that. Go see Dr. Adam Bricker,

      and ask for the big pretty blue ones!!! -j4n

    18. Miss-Underestimated on July 24th, 2007 3:28 pm


      I thought it was Dr. Marcus Weeeebee.

    19. Richard on July 24th, 2007 3:43 pm

      Well, Chuck, if you won’t waste your time here … we won’t be weeping, I can assure you.

      And I’m content to leave you all alone on Aruba. There’s one in every crowd.

    20. mayan_moons on July 24th, 2007 5:27 pm

      insane wind huh??


      nuff said!~

    21. disgustedmom on July 24th, 2007 5:30 pm

      Awwww, Chuckie had FUN! Nothing else in the world matters!

    22. Maggie on July 24th, 2007 5:46 pm

      Let’s all clap for Chuck!. . I just went to Aruba for 8 days and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.. People die everyday, who cares it’s not my family yadda yadda..

    23. dave on July 24th, 2007 5:50 pm

      BOO Hoo Hoo, poor little brainless Chuckie Troll gonna waste its precious time. We feel so sorry for you.

    24. Maggie on July 24th, 2007 5:55 pm

      I would love to hear Helen Lejuez interviewed if she would talk. I’m curious about the statement in Dave’s book which Helen said Van Der Straten was involved in a cover up on the island before. I would love to know what that is about. Along with other things about Natalee’s case.

    25. Frank on July 24th, 2007 6:18 pm

      No way “Chuck” has ever been to Aruba. “Chuck’s” only Aruba is on the internet.

    26. Brie on July 24th, 2007 7:10 pm

      It takes alot of nerve to go to Aruba and then come back and tell people what a wonderful time you had and then post on this site! You know why we’re here!! You probably liked the availability of such a variety of drugs. Enjoy seeing the pimps, the pimpettes and all the little pimpies. Any idea of what you might of eaten or drank? Who filmed you? You just supported the drug haven island of paradise!!! I wouldn’t brag if I were you!!!

    27. Chuck on July 24th, 2007 7:48 pm

      This is Chuck’s (now “Chuckie) last post:

      Frank is right. I’ve never been. This was just an experiment to see what yall would say because I was thinking about going to Aruba. But you guys have definitely given me some things to think about (although some were a bit harsh!). Anyway, I really do hope they find this girl and bring justice to the family.

      BTW, what’s wrong with having fun on one’s honeymoon? Lighten up people and have a Heineken or something.



    28. Brie on July 24th, 2007 8:16 pm

      Maybe Chuck’s bride-to-be has a chance to change her mind!!!!

    29. Waterboy (Jerry) on July 24th, 2007 8:49 pm

      Okay, Okay,

      We all know Natalee left with Joran, Deepak, and Satish. About this there can be no denial. That others were involved, we can only speculate about, and I think that the “speculation” is justified, especially of those that were arrested or questioned extensively (with the exception of the two security guards).

      The involvement of those that 1906 mentions is possible, and probable.

      Was Paulus involved? You can bet your sweet pop tarts he was, either after the fact or as a participant in the sex crimes against Natalee. Sex, yes sex. What else of great value did Natalee have to offer or rather be robbed of?

      The party at Joran’s house was like 20 times before, an unconscious body to ravage, and abuse. The acts were video taped, and sold to a porn distributor in Florida (this accounts for the trip to Florida by Paulus, to retrieve the internet post).

      When all was said and done and others were gone, Joran couldn’t resist just a little more, and in the process strangled Natalee to death. He wrapped Natalee in plastic from a new sofa that had recently been purchased, and he and D. took Natalee to a trash dumpster and put her there. They watched from a distance (and were seen by the Gardner-hunting guide) to make sure no one came near and discovered Natalee before the trash truck arrived.

      When they informed Paulus about what they had done, it was too late to retrieve her body from the dumpster and then we have Junior as a witness at the landfill, where the 4 searched for Natalee’s body.

      The original plan was to drop Natalee off on the beach and let her wake up not knowing what had happen (like 20 times before, when nothing went wrong).

      Natalee is in the landfill.


    30. disgustedmom on July 24th, 2007 8:50 pm

      Chuckie, you have to be too young to be getting married. You have the mindset of an 8 year old boy.

    31. columbo on July 24th, 2007 9:19 pm
    32. 10061906 on July 24th, 2007 9:47 pm

      #4 observer:
      “IF she did make those calls who’s phone was it from? We all know it couldn’t have been Sander’s phone since his was stolen earlier that day.”
      Do we? Did he? Was it? That is what Sanders says.
      If Natalee made those calls these phones were available:
      The house phones, Joran’s phone, Satish’s phone, Anita’s phone that was left behind, the one Natalee was using at the casino and possibly Sanders’. Deepak’s phone was out of minutes(?)
      If: IF: IIFF: Natalee got a hold of Sanders’ phone to make the call and it was wrenched from her; in anger they (whoever) would throw or smash it.
      When he went to Joe Croes for a replacement; “oh it was stolen”. You do not get a replacement for misuse.
      Apparently the “thief” never used it as no calls were recorded. My gut feeling is Sanders said that because Natalee’s call was placed from Sander’s phone. Could not have been me; my phone got stolen. That would be the only thing to link Sanders to Natalee. You know CYA.

    33. disgustedmom on July 24th, 2007 9:57 pm


      I have wondered what the plan for the night was to end like if it hadn’t ended as it did. But who’s to say the night didn’t end as it was supposed to?

      Joran said he liked to pick up tourist girls to have sex with. He said he’d done it 20 times before.

      You would think by now if Joran was in the habit of being successful in meeting tourist girls at least one of those 20 would have come forward to say they at least had met Joran while they were in Aruba even if they don’t recall being raped by him- if they were. Perhaps even at least one of them might have come forward to say they thought he was a nice guy and they had fun or something! Maybe some input from them might suggest where Joran liked to take his tourist girls. Maybe a clue in that somewhere? But none have surfaced.

      Lie #1: Joran having done this 20 times before. ‘This’ supposedly meaning having sex with a tourist girl.

      I still say Joran is gay. He has not done ‘this’ before, not ever, at least not to have a date for himself. And I’d bet money Paulus is more than a little concerned that his sporter is so delicious.

      But for this case to remain unsolved, Joran’s sexual preference can’t be disclosed. We have to think it was Joran who took Natalee for himself, didn’t harm her then left her on the beach and she got beamed up by a spaceship.

      So maybe the night ended as it was supposed to. Joran is gay and delivered Natalee to someone else for cash to gamble with or to pay off gambling debts?

      Still, I’d be inclined to believe this was his first time since no other tourist girls have ever come forward to mention they had met Joran and tell any sort of story that might help find Natalee; there might be clues in any story that Joran is in. And remember, Joran used to get his gambling money from stealing from mommy and daddy. He got caught, sent to a shrink, was watched hot and heavy, so maybe he had to find another way of getting money.

    34. Brie on July 24th, 2007 10:38 pm

      Still wondering why Koen is so scared and his family moved to Atlanta. Either a witness or a participant. He and Freddy were at Joran’s apartment earlier, probably too high to go home and maybe waited there for Joran to bring Natalee back. Freddy does alot of porn video and it’s been said he spent the night. Beth has a signed statement that Joran had sex with Natalee at his house. So, what happened after that, Paulus makes a withdrawal at the ATM machine.(also lied about that, he said he was sleeping)Earlier that day, Sander invited Joran to go out on his father’s boat, was the boat still in the water that night or back on the trailer at the Gottenbos house. If the boat was still in the water that would of been the quickest way to dispose of Natalee. Now, the next day Joran goes to school, but the bus picks him up
      close to Lorenzo’s house, was Lorenzo involved or did Joran want him to look like he was involved. If Lorenzo is his half brother maybe Joran despises the idea. Who knows! Then again, if Natalee was abducted, maybe Paulus paid Lorenzo to fast boat it to Curacao or Venezuela.

      But I do believe Deepak when he said something bad happened and if they see the chit on her……and if they find that girl…is Deepak assuming she is dead or does he really know! I don’t think he had anything to do with disposing of Natalee, but obviously he is his guilty of something and lying about where he drove them to. I think the “something bad happened” with Joran. But the 2 Kalpoes could of participated in a sexual act.

    35. Carpe Noctem on July 24th, 2007 10:43 pm

      LOL Miss U

    36. Brie on July 24th, 2007 10:54 pm

      Deepak has also admitted to, in the past, having sex and Joran being in the same room….was it with the same girl? Maybe it’s just one big orgy.

      Also, later on, the day that Natalee went missing Joran was gambling with Jamie and Andre. Andre has a black pick-up truck.

    37. 10061906 on July 24th, 2007 11:16 pm

      No; Not the same girl. Joran says he was not into sharing.
      Geoff had a pick up truck also at that time. It was rumored that Natalee was with Geoff at the casino also on
      May 29th.. The tape was never located.
      Geoff slapped Natalee at C and C’s on May 27th. AB was with him. Notice we can never find out who AB is. Maybe the reference to AB is Adnin Bikker. Or the (A)Andre shown with Michael D.

    38. Richard on July 25th, 2007 6:25 am

      DisgustedMom, I’ve always thought that Joran’s remark about “I’ve done this 20 times before, and never a problem,” or similar words, was suspicious.

      As I remember, that remark came on a Greta van Susteren show when he was being interviewed.

      There’s been speculation that Joran is an outright psychopath, a diagnosis I’m not qualified to make. But even the Dutch detectives who interviewed him in the summer of 2005 said he was sui generis, one of a kind; they had never met anyone like him.

      One apparent ability of a psychopath is to lie at the proverbial drop of a hat. That remark might well have been an impromptu comment just to enhance his “Lothario” image (if he has one) and to come up with something to say.

      (“How can I get lost on that road? I drive there every day.” That sort of thing.)

      On the other hand, I think that somewhere Deepak Kalpoe admits that he and Joran (I’m not sure who is involved) did go after the tourist girls and did have sex with them, on occasion sharing a hotel room. (We have to bear in mind that at least some of these girls probably had consensual relations with them.)

      And we know about the remark by some of the Pimps that it’s surprising what tourist girls will do if they think you’re the police.

      (Sexual predators have often pretended to be police. This happened in Veracruz, Mexico, recently to two Americans in the Coast Guard:

    39. Richard on July 25th, 2007 6:30 am

      I’ve always thought that a boat would be a sensible place to bring someone to if “something bad” were planned and more than one person would be involved. I don’t know how big Koen’s boat is, if it’s the kind that has an enclosed cabin … but if it does, it would be easy to keep Natalee confined there while they decide what to do with her.

      No witnesses are likely to pose a danger or intercede.

      It would also be a guaranteed way of keeping her secluded; i.e., a boat in the water doesn’t get many people walking by. And if it were decided to sell or hand her over to someone else, possibly off Aruba … most of the process is already completed. She’s already on it.

      Getting her to the boat? While she’s drugged, bring her back to the van der Sloot house, or wherever, change cars, and the last visual connection is lost. Even if the police had been notified immediately that something happened, they would be looking for Deepak’s silver car.

    40. 10061906 on July 25th, 2007 7:25 am

      Richard 6:
      They probably went to “Choose a Name” and made their stop.
      That is were “Pitbull” worked.
      Maye some of the “pimps” were there; maybe they went to get more drugs. All speculation.
      My guess would be they stopped to announce there would be a “Shark Fest” at Joran’s.

    41. Waterboy (Jerry) on July 25th, 2007 8:21 am

      To disgustedmom,

      You are right, if Joran said it happen 20 times before, it is a lie; but is it a total lie (i.e. it never happen) or is it a partial lie (it’s happen before, but more than or less than 20 times).

      At least one girl (not a tourist) came forward and said that Joran drugged and raped her. She said there were a couple of other’s that would not come forward. Dennis Jacobs scarred her off and she will not come forward now.

      I’m assuming there are more than these three. If only one in 3 remembered, that makes at least 9. If the body of the young girl who was missing a year before Natalee is another one who remembered or woke up, than there is a possibility of 12. The numbers add up fast.

      Joran-gay? I’ll agree it is possible.

      That Joran may have sold Natalee for money, yes a possibility.

      That Joran may be covering for the real perpetrator, another possibility.

      The most probable occurrence, is that he murdered Natalee and threw her in a dumpster. This scenario is simple-just like Joran. The only factor that complicates the story is a middle-aged diabolical lawyer named Paulus.


    42. super dave on July 25th, 2007 8:24 am

      Chuck: what if someone was playing your game and it was your daughter who was raped and murdered ?

    43. Carpe Noctem on July 25th, 2007 9:08 am

      THE ARUBAN DEATHTRAP, they just keep getting sicker

      and sicker, everyday.

    44. Carpe Noctem on July 25th, 2007 9:20 am




      Roland Ramiro TROMP and Clyde Anthony BURKE, respectively inspector and sergeant first class with the Korps Politie Aruba and attached to the Section Often Occurring Crimes, state the following.

      On June 18th 2005 at approximately 18.30 hours, we interviewed as a witness the man who when asked for his name and details, stated to be, Paulus Antonius Petrus Johanna van der SLOOT born in the Netherlands on February 15th 1952, occupation judge (Joint Court) and living at Montanja 19 Noord in Aruba for further information.


      To your question whether my son asked if no body would be found that there would be no case, I can state the following. I cannot remember Joran having asked me this. I have said on several occasions in all generatily that if the girl were not found, that this could pose a problem for them, on top of that would be the uncertainty whether a crime and what crime had been committed.


      “To you question what I can declare with regards to me being
      arrested as a suspect of accessory to murder, manslaughter and
      robbing someone of their freedom with death as the result, I can
      state the following. I find this totally ridiculous and absurd.

      To your question what level of ridiculousness this reaches,
      I can state the following. I am of the opinion that my arrest
      reaches the highest possible levels of ridiculousness and absurdity.



      Posted by Zoltan at 8:04 PM 0 comments

      — repost

    45. Carpe Noctem on July 25th, 2007 9:34 am

      To your question what level of ridiculousness this reaches,
      I can state the following. I am of the opinion that my arrest reaches the highest possible levels of ridiculousness and absurdity.



      Is the level of absurdity and ridiculousness

      larger than a breadbox?


      Yes yes, to your stupid ass question,

      is the level larger than a breadbox,

      I can state with great certainty, probably,

      that it is much bigger than a breadbox, I think, but

      I do not want to sign anything. How about that?

      Gotta LUV THOSE murdering, tourist raping Van der sloot

      family members of ARUBA


      Joran’s wheeze bag of a “fadda”, ladies and gents!


      Hey Paul, Karin Jaansen is lonely for you after

      she got hrown off and banned from the island.

      Reports say: She has been spotted dry humping Joran’s

      Professor’s coffee table!!!

      Give her a li’l ringy dingy, bro. -j4n

    46. Carpe Noctem on July 25th, 2007 9:51 am

      Aye… is it me

      or does Dennis Jacobs in this next pic

      appear like he has been storing a really

      bad fart since the

      late fifties?

      DENNIS, R-O-L-A-I-D-S.

      That’s how I spell relief!

      Let your body free bro, dance with the wolves

      IN THE MOONLIGHT, let that baby rip, noone is


    47. wingnut on July 25th, 2007 10:11 am

      #37 – Brie

      Could this be AB?

      Altair Marques Bitencourt
      July 12, 2005
      pages 2
      writer: Johny Erasmus/Zoraida De Cuba
      description: witness statement E. page 58

    48. disgustedmom on July 25th, 2007 10:33 am

      Waterboy/Jerry #41

      Can you elaborate about the girl that went missing a year before Natalee went missing? I haven’t heard about this at all! Very interesting!

    49. on July 25th, 2007 11:15 am

      Still a campaign going on in Aruba to send posters here to tell about their wonderful honeymoons. That’s because Aruba WANTS to be known as romantic. Yet the truth is, one would really have to wonder about a guy taking his new wife to Aruba. A honeymoon in Aruba is dangerous. A honeymoon in Aruba is not romantic but an exercise in danger and depravity.

      Who on earth would want to go to one little crappy island and expose there loved one to people who only care about the almighty dollar. We can’t tell you what will happen on your honeymoon in Aruba, but we can tell you that if something bad happens, no one in Aruba will care.

    50. kjhughes on July 25th, 2007 1:31 pm

      No. 44..Yeah Carpe..whatever “the source” is … I totally agree..have always thought from day one that PVDS and KJ were an ugly item! It explains her pussy footing around this whole case and then buggering off back to Holland without doing a damn thing to solve the case. I never could stand the sight of her, flaunting herself and tossing her hair about..she just looked fishy to me.

    51. Maggie on July 25th, 2007 4:15 pm

      This was one of the sickest stories about the Sloots, I read. thick kisses, Joran has his own place away from the house since he was 15, girls sleeping over his many little girls he’s always had around, only treated for bad study habits, no gambling and sex addiction, just a delicious sporter..Joran lies no more than any other adolescent.

      Funny Joran mentions how great the privacy of that place is away from the house.

      I remember him talking on Primetime saying they didn’t go to the house, they didn’t want to wake up his family.. Yet the car came and sat outside waiting on Joran to get ready to go out that night and then left without his family knowing he went out? On Greta’s show they did go to the house, sat outside and all at once Natalee wanted to see off they went. I’ve always believed they went to Joran’s place. He put himself out front just in case and yet he didn’t want to ever say they went in.

      ‘ Joran is a delicious boy ‘ by Floor Ligtvoet Thursday 30 March 2006 –

      After some flirting at Carlos n Charlie’s and necking in the car, he explained, he brought Natalee back to her to hotel. Instead he left the little girl alone on the beach, he later admitted. The American media jumped on an all out hunt for Joran. Weekly photographs and old video of the Dutchman filled the American news shows. He is called a liar, a rapist, and an assassin. Joran’s possible involvement in Natalee’s disappearance proves to be a ratings hit. In one go the seventeen-year-old adolescent is world-famous. Who he is and from what kind of a nest he comes, is well known. Still for Anita van der Sloot, Joran’s mother, in the family house in the rural district of Noord where the dog smells the visitor before the gate opens. “Quiet”, Anita quiets the loudly barking dog, “It is OK.” The small blonde woman enters to a large dining table to sit. She is really not in the mood to talk. The family has already had so much crap poured out about them. But the flow of rumors concerning Joran does not stop. A day earlier a high-level police source whispered anonymously, that joran had been treated for lying. Nonsense, asserts Anita firmly. Her son has undergone only counseling to improve his study habits. Jorans father, former judge in training Paul van der sloot arrives after a long workday. Tired, he gives a deep sigh: “Joran lies no more than every other adolescent.” Paul wants rest at home. The family has the last year stood under enormous pressure, he complains. Their oldest, Joran, is surely not an angel. Every detail from his personal life is entirely taken out of context. “We must refer to the disappearance not the murder.” He talks gently and in a controlled way concerning his child, but Anita excites herself concerning the bad tales that circulate on the island. Joran gambling – and sex-addicted? He is simply a delicious youth! A delicious adolescent, who lives for friends, sport, and family. Oké, he has adolescent traits. Not always sticks to his appointments. If he is supposed to be home at one at night her turns off his cell so his parents can’t call him. If he gets in trouble later, he gives his concerned mother three thick kisses. They don’t have to worry, he is home now. Anita is enraged that her son is accused of rape. “He was in fact very loving with his girlfriends” Joran had always many little girls around him but the contact was frequently only friendly, she says. “They went with each other for as a brother and sisters” Paul wants to show Joran’s room. However., friends, both little girls and boys, could always spend the night he says as he crosses the garden to the outbuilding. Since he was 15 Joran had here, beside the swimming pool and at a reasonable distance of the parental house, his own bedroom and bathroom. Paul opens the door carefully. “Look, here slept four or five during the sleepovers. It was always completely normal. On Aruba it is normal to sleep over at someone else’s place. Minors are on the island entirely dependent on parents or friends with a driver’s license pick up and bring them. During a conversation in Arnhem Joran says he was always super-glad have his own room. “The privacy was very fine, especially if there were friends.” Of course he had also ordinary friendships with girls, says he as he hears his parents reaction. “One girlfriend slept ten times in my bed without ever something happening between us.” Attraction must come, as it happens, however, from two sides, finds he. If that is the case, however, he does not see, honestly said, the problem. Joran was already from age 14 having sex with girls. Also American. “On the island there lives a little the feeling that they are easy. There are guys who go to the beach to hook up with them. He has done that himself “but” he emphasizes, “I have always treated them with respect.” So if the girl does not want sex, then OK, its back to the hotel.” It should have been that way with Natalee but she wanted to stay on the beach, he says. Thus he left her behind. Joran has always affirmed he did not have sex that fatal night with natalee because he that evening had no condoms on him.

      link no longer works..

    52. Richard on July 25th, 2007 6:25 pm

      “One girlfriend slept ten times in my bed without ever something happening between us.”

      Joran gambling – and sex-addicted? He is simply a delicious youth! A delicious adolescent, who lives for friends, sport, and family.

      If he is supposed to be home at one at night her turns off his cell so his parents can’t call him. If he gets in trouble later, he gives his concerned mother three thick kisses.

      Joran was already from age 14 having sex with girls.

      If this is a normal family, I’m a basketball player.

      And at 5’2″, I don’t think I am.

    53. ben on July 25th, 2007 9:16 pm

      I have been watching orealllly all week,hoping for a remorsefull statement,he has said nothing.I will no longer watch his show,iam to emotionally attached to Natalees story to continue to watch orealllly,This slander i can not except.

    54. 10061906 on July 25th, 2007 9:34 pm

      Incase anyone has not seen the list: here is TTSL coming up; I only found it because I had trouble with my browser.
      Found where else but on SM

      Try and plan to be there; I can travel the two hours to this one.

    55. Waterboy (Jerry) on July 25th, 2007 9:51 pm

      To Disgustedmom,

      About the girl who’s remains they found when searching for Natalee, I’m 100% sure that Dave Holloway mentioned this in an interview with Dana (I heard it). I’m about 85% sure it was in late spring of 07. (Some one help disgustedmom with a link to this interview).

      I’m thinking she was 17 when she disappeared, and her remains were found in a trash pile behind some of the houses not too far from Joran’s house (70% on near Joran’s house). I read the article about her in early 06, but I cannot find it now. I have changed laptops, and I think I copied it on my old laptop. I’ll look if you are interested.

      To me this is as potentially relevant to the case as anything I have researched. I would like to know her name, and put a face with that name. I would like to know who she knew, and if there is any link to any of the demons third class we know so well.


    56. disgustedmom on July 25th, 2007 9:57 pm

      Joran gives his mother 3 thick kisses….Gag me!

    57. on July 25th, 2007 10:12 pm

      LOL “The small blonde woman enters to a large dining table to sit.” From there on you know it’s a piece of garbage. Anita – small!!!!!! Yeah the person writing that story is unbiased and just giving facts ha, ha, ha!

      Oh and note how Joran’s parents both lie about his counseling which he finally admitted in his book. Daddy of the Ditch says Joran lies no more than any other adolescent and now even Joran admits he’s a chronic liar!!!

    58. mayan_moons on July 25th, 2007 10:23 pm

      Nooo………no bias there at all… katablog!

    59. 10061906 on July 25th, 2007 10:33 pm

      Is that the one that was partially nude and the body was decomposing and she had a wristband similar to C and C’s?
      If it is I saw it; it may be in SM archives. I’ll try to help.
      paul and Anita remind me of the cartoon; “Lockhorns” but then again that may be a diservice to the carton creator in comparing them..

    60. Waterboy (Jerry) on July 26th, 2007 12:32 am

      To 10061906,

      I don’t know about the wristband. They had been looking for her for a year, and they had searched the area where she was later found once before (on a tip) and found nothing. Evidently, when they started looking for Natalee, someone reminded them that they had a tip that a body was at this trash pile (construction material, old refrigerators etc.) and they searched again and found the girl’s body. Maybe something did go wrong at least once with the other 20 times.

      I’ve googled the heck out of google, and I can’t find anything. It was there in early 2006. Maybe there is something in the SM archives. Dave Holloway just briefly mentioned her on Dana’s show, but did not elaborate.

      This murdered girl is a poor soul that the “Powers That Be” do not want to remember, and certainly they do not want anyone else to remember.

      How her mother and father must have grieved. Who had the right? Who had the right to take the life of a young innocent soul? Creatures of the night, demons with no soul, predatory animals with a taste for the blood of another, stinking mud with no respect for decency, pimple faced slim who elevated themselves above the level of God.


    61. 10061906 on July 26th, 2007 8:08 am

      The ALE procedure for Natalee was not to
      investigate and bring resolve and closure
      Their’s was to investigate and sanitize.
      Do you recall if the body was near San Nicolas?
      Still looking.

    62. Waterboy (Jerry) on July 26th, 2007 1:34 pm

      Not sure. We will need some help on this one. I can’t find anything on the net.


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