Aruba Tourism with Some More Negative PR … The Jolly Pirate Capsizes with 38 Tourists on Board

 

Yet another little embarrassing moment for tourism on Aruba. This incident; however, could have been much worse than it turned out. From 24ora.com, the Jolly Pirate, voted #1 in fun but not in staying a float.

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Strong winds are said to have caused the capsizing of the Jolly Pirate. Rather ironic that the Pirates of the Caribbean get blown over by the wind. “Yo… ho, blow the man down …” Below, what the boat is supposed to look like. Sails in the air, instead of under the water and turtled.

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Posted July 11, 2007 by
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  • Comments

    157 Responses to “Aruba Tourism with Some More Negative PR … The Jolly Pirate Capsizes with 38 Tourists on Board”

    1. buster on July 11th, 2007 1:38 am

      Only in arba

    2. buster on July 11th, 2007 1:38 am

      aruba

    3. Sissy on July 11th, 2007 3:39 am

      WTH? The wind only blows in Aruba?

    4. Richard on July 11th, 2007 5:39 am

      Seems to me that this might be an appropriate metaphor for Aruba itself, which certainly is one of the pirates of the Caribbean. There it was, sailing along … and all of a sudden, everything on the island is topsy-turvy.

      Well, it wasn’t the wind flow or choppy seas that did it to you, Aruba. Maybe your people will wise up and demand that a grieving American family be given justice.

      You the people have the most to gain from an honest government there. As things stand, it seems to be getting worse and worse. The clock is ticking … make your choice.

    5. paulus vandersloot on July 11th, 2007 7:27 am

      Aruba is a sunken ship.

    6. Vicki on July 11th, 2007 7:32 am

      This place will continue to be plaqued with trouble until there is Justice for Natalee. Do you really think that the FBI knows where Natalee is?

    7. Crioyo on July 11th, 2007 7:41 am

      Only in Aruba? There we go again, natalycizing an unrelated situation. People could have drowned here. This was a freak weather incident, Jolly Pirates has been around for too many years to remember and never encountered something like it. Again, this could’ve happened anywhere.

      ____________
      SM: The issue is that it didn’t happen amywhere did it. Some how you people will find an excuse for everything. Because things happen anywhere some how Aruba things its without blame or fault. Captized ship, missing person ,,, eh … who cares … happens everywhere. People could have been seriously injured. Wonder what the safety precautions were on baord, if any.

    8. Heli on July 11th, 2007 8:50 am

      Boycott of New York City needs to be initiated; I mean come on, a helicopter carrying tourists crashed into the water yesterday. It’s just not a safe place to spend tourist dollars.

      ___________
      SM: Go right ahead … no one is stopping you. You are more than welcome to go and do so … that’s your choice. Don’t talk about it … go and do it, no one is stopping you. Don’r tell others what to do … take the initiative and do it yourself. Go for it.

      R

    9. Brie on July 11th, 2007 8:56 am

      #7…Yep, only in Aruba…you say, people could of drowned here.. huh, since when do you care about people…those are tourists and tourists are cash cows! Remember!

      The pirate ship has been sailing for years, the crew is well aware of the winds in Aruba…they blow all the time! The sails probably weren’t maintained, split or rotten…that’s how you can flip a ship! But, you got their money so if they drowned if would of been their fault!

    10. Brie on July 11th, 2007 9:00 am

      Caption to the 1st picture….Duh!…Where’s……the ship!

    11. Brie on July 11th, 2007 9:03 am

      That picture belongs in the photo album….Vacationing in Aruba!

    12. Pearl on July 11th, 2007 9:40 am

      R – #8 (response) AMEN! You said it, R!

      SM – #7 (response) AMEN! You said it, SM!!!

      Now if SINKING is a “jolly” for that ship, can you imagine what “happy” means, on the island of Aruba?

      You simply can’t make this stuff up!

      A ship named “JOLLY” capsizes, and sinks in Aruba, and while the event itself is unfortunate for those aboard, it is quite fair – given the “STANDARDS” for TOURIST SAFETY as DEMONSTRATED ( or should we say “demon-strated” by perverted criminals and co-conspirators who violated Natalee Holloway’s human rights), to now question what possible standards for the safety of tourists exist, since the ALE and KLPD have indicated through THEIR CONDUCT, that the WORTH of HUMAN LIFE, particularly that of TOURISTS from America, and specifically – OUR CHILDREN, is NOT VALUED. The known predators of human rights violations inflicted upon Natalee HOlloway – continue to walk the beaches of Aruba with FULL FREEDOM, while Natlaee, the child who suffered the torment and cruelty of their savage criminal conduct – REMAINS “CONTAINED” through unlawful depravity that SANCTIONS THE “CONTAINMENT” of the dead.

      JUSTICE FOR THE VICTIMS OF BRUTAL INDIFFERENCE, IN ARUBA!

      CONTAIN THE CRIMINALS, ARUBA, NOT THE VICTIMS!!!

      Justice for Natalee Holloway

    13. aw@aruba on July 11th, 2007 9:51 am

      Oh my God, you people are incredible!!! I can’t believe all the stupid things said above, come on be serious. This could have been a disaster for the tourists on that boat who were not only Americans by the way and for the locals you so try to condemn. Once again we repeat: We have nothing against Americans and we don’t see tourists only as cash cows. This was nature and for your information these strong winds yesterday not only happened on Aruba, it also happened in Suriname where a bus turned over and 1 person was killed. Because you don’t live in the Caribbean you are not aware of the strong winds that can blow out of the blue and withour warning. This was not your regular wind it was what we arubans called a Warwaru which is wind of a category 4 or 5 huracan and on sea, imagine what it can do. After what happend in New Orleans and in Thailand you should be thinking twice before commenting so stupidly on what nature will or won’t do!! We are people just like you and we deserve a little more humanly respect. Imagine what will happen to our tiny island if a huracan or tornado came. Do you really think we deserve a disaster? Are you really so disgusting that you have no respect for human life?? Go ahead throw the first stone if you and your country are without shame.

    14. Pearl on July 11th, 2007 10:17 am

      What’s the matter, aw…at Aruba, comment #13?

      You claim “this could have happened” ….WHAT “could have happened”?

      Do you mean: THE SANCTIONING of the “CONTAINMENT OF THE DEAD”, while releasing KNOWN liars directly involved with the CRIMINAL OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, GANG RAPE AND HEAVY BATTERY of NATALEE HOLLOWAY, AND HER BODILY “CONTAINMENT” WHICH MS. JANSSEN REFERENCES AS: “CONTAINMENT WITH THE DEAD”?

      Or, do you mean that THIS could have happened anywhere – meaning, the PREDATORY DEPRAVED CONDUCT OF POLIS OFFICIALS, WHO KNOWINGLY OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND HER FAMILY and who AIDED CRIMINALS in DESTROYING EVIDENCE by REFUSING TO FOLLOW UP ON KNOWN TIPS, AND FACTS OF EVIDENCE?

      THAT – could have “happened anywhere”?

      I don’t think so “aw”.

      You wish to discuss YOUR NEED for “respect”?

      Respect indeed is a human right.
      Let’s begin with RESPECT FOR THE BRUTALLY VICTIMIZED CHILD IN ARUBA, subjected to a savagery unheard of – ever.
      I’m talking about monsters, who would GANG UP, to PREY UPON a little girl, RENDER HER COMPLETELY HELPLESS BY DRUGGING HER, proceeding to KIDNAP HER, GANG RAPE HER – and then VICTIMIZE HER for attending a “tourist attraction” promoted as a place for young people to come together, where predators proceed to BLAME THE VICTIM for her own death, suggesting something to the affect of: “she died from drug overdose, and or a combination of lethal alcohol ingestion”, while FAILING TO EXPLAIN HOW SHE MANAGED TO “BURY AND RE-BURY” HERSELF.

      But you’d rather discuss your need for respect, to the EXCLUSION of any discussion of NATALEE’S NEED FOR RESPECT.
      Do I have that correct, “aw”?

      You would rather attribute the sinking of the “jolly” as an “isolated” incident, just as Aruba is tap dancing to the tune of “let’s portray Natalee as a slut, a drunk, an out of control kid”, to which contemptable criminal minds with absolutely no capacity for honor or integrity add: “THIS INCIDENT” of barbaric HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS – that was inflicted upon Natalee, is ALSO – SOMEHOW “ISOLATED” as an “INCIDENT”.

      Do I have it right, “aw”?

      You want Natalee to BECOME an “ISOLATED” Incident, isn’t that true?

      You don’t want all of America to KNOW OF, or FOCUS UPON that little “addendum” added on by the predators – that being, “we did this TWENTY TIMES BEFORE”….

      You don’t want there to be any parallels drawn between the SINKING OF THE ‘JOLLY” and the depravity of Aruba’s ALE and the Netherlands KLPD that would ALLOW PREDATORS TO KNOWINGLY VIOLATE THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF AN AMERICAN CHILD, AND THEN BE GRANTED FULL, UNIMPEDED FREEDOM FOR THEIR DEPLORABLE CONDUCT!

      Does this about sum it up, “aw”?

      Practice these words, “aw” – because, I truly do believe that no matter how many pretzel twisters you hire, you will NEVER EVER SHAPE THE BRUTALITY AND TORTURE THAT THIS CHILD AND HER FAMILY SUFFERED – INTO – AN “ISOLATED” INCIDENT, THAT WE SHOULD ALL NOW, JUST “FORGET” AND “MOVE ON” FROM.

      PRACTICE SAYING: JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!

      JUSTICE FOR HER FAMILY!

      CONTAINMENT FOR THE PREDATORS, KIDNAPPERS, RAPISTS, MURDERERS, NOT OF THE VICTIM!

      FREE NATALEE HOLLOWAY!
      HONOR HER HUMAN RIGHTS TO BE FREE, TO HAVE HER TRUTH TOLD, TO BE RESPECTED WITH A DIGNIFIED BURIAL BY RELEASING HER FROM ARUBA’S DEPRAVED “CONTAINMENT” OF HER BODY, AND THE SAVAGERY INFLICTED UPON HER LOVING FAMILY MEMBERS, WHO WISH TO “RESPECT” THEIR BABY WITH A DIGNIFIED BURIAL.

      Is that too much for you, “aw”?

      Justice for Natalee Holloway!
      Justice for her family!

    15. SUPER DAVE on July 11th, 2007 10:26 am

      #13:not to start an argument with you but it only takes one bad person to ruin things for everyone. in this case i believe it was your island and a lot of your people that had no respect for human life in the case of Natalee Holloway.
      we have seen no one from Aruba stand up for Natalee’s right to live! we have only seen the people on Aruba hug up to the criminals that have been the main suspects of this crime and have shown contempt for all who want the truth. so tell us the truth, do you think the suspects are guilty and would you let your daughter go out with these punks ? they have already admitted to the crime while in jail and important evidence destroyed or hidden . your island officials and especially Juila Renfro leave us no choice about how we feel. maybe on an island of 100,000 people if even 10,000 believed that the suspects are guilty and would like to have your lives back to normal would speak out . or are you afraid you would end up like Dinesh Djoegan .

    16. Just me on July 11th, 2007 10:42 am

      I usually look at this board to see what you low lifes say about Aruba and I chuckle. You have no idea how nice it is to live here and be away from your stupidity. I am american living in Aruba and I love it.

      How dare you all for being happy that this happened and hoping something worse will happen. You all really need to get on with your lives and find another cause. You will never bring Aruba down, never. Give it up and move on.

      When I read this board, I am ashamed to be an American.

      ____________________
      SM: There is nothing in the comments suggesting anyone is happy about the boat capsizing. Is there a problem with your reading comprehension? (klaasend)

    17. Pearl on July 11th, 2007 10:55 am

      Thank you, Super Dave. For indeed, you express the sentiments of many here.

      WHO DECIDES that parallels MAY NOT BE DRAWN, concerning STANDARDS OF SAFETY FOR TOURISTS WHO SUFFER ON THE “JOLLY” SINKING SHIP, AND the BRUTAL FACTS OF EVIDENCE THAT REVEAL THAT NATALEE HOLLOWAY SUFFERED THE ULTIMATE VICTIMIZATION, and ARUBA’S STANDARD FOR HER IS: “MOVE ON, FORGET ABOUT HER, AND “NO CORPSE, NO CASE” SANCTIONED THROUGH “CONTAINMENT WITH THE DEAD” WHICH WAS AIDED BY CORRUPT POLIS OFFICIALS?

      WHO GETS TO DECIDE THAT PARALLELS AND QUESTIONS CONCERNING WHETHER TOURISTS TO ARUBA ARE VALUED AS HUMAN BEINGS GIVEN, THE DEPRAVITY DEMONSTRATED IN THE CASE OF HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS INFLICTED UPON NATALEE HOLLOWAY – AND – HER LOVING FAMILY?

      WHO GETS TO DETERMINE THAT QUESTIONS ARISING, CONCERNING STANDARDS OF SAFETY FOR TOURISTS TO ARUBA – SHOULD SUDDENLY BECOME “COMPARTMENTALIZED”, WHEREBY, THE STORY OF NATALEE’S BRUTAL SUFFERING AND VICTIMIZATION IS SANITIZED FROM THE DISCUSSION OF QUESTIONS SURROUNDING WHETHER ANY TOURIST – AT ALL- CAN EVER BE SAFE IN ARUBA EVER AGAIN, AFTER WHAT WAS DONE TO NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND HER FAMILY?

      It’s not a “leap” to go from the barbaric HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS inflicted upon Natalee, to questions of safety for tourists on SINKING SHIPS – when the BRIDGE connecting the discussion, is the brutality, cruelty, and victimization of an innocent and DEFENSELESS CHILD, TORTURED IN ARUBA, and then SUBJECTED TO “CONTAINMENT WITH THE DEAD”, and LEFT TO WITHER AWAY, NEVER TO BE SEEN BY HER FAMILY AGAIN, only to hear that Aruba wants to “move on” and carry on with “tourism as usual” – as though this PRECIOUS HUMAN LIFE NEVER EXISTED, AND WAS NEVER ENDED BY MONSTERS IN ARUBA!

      THAT IS BARBARIC AND SO VICIOUSLY CRUEL TO DO TO A FAMILY AND TO A CHILD!
      Why allow such cruelty to be inflicted upon such a beautiful family, and child?

      WHAT IS THE GOAL, HERE?
      To continue to VICTIMIZE NATALEE AND HER FAMILY?

      Or, for “tourism” to continue “as usual” to the EXCLUSION of NATALEE FROM THE “DISCOURSE”?

      ALL PATHS LEAD TO VAN DER SLOOTS.

      ALL ANSWERS BEGIN WITH NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S TRUTH AND JUSTICE BEING SERVED!

    18. Pearl on July 11th, 2007 10:57 am

      More pretzel twisting from mouths that cannot seem to utter one single word of compassion OR desire for justice and truth for Natalee and her family.

      NO ONE HERE CELEBRATES THE SINKING OF THE “JOLLY”.

      But one cannot help but see the parallels between its’ SINKING, and fair questions concerning: JUST HOW “SAFE” CAN ANY TOURIST EVER BE IN ARUBA, AFTER THE HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY?

      STOP SPINNING, “justme”, and SEEK TO END THE “CONTAINMENT” OF NATALEE, BY BEGINNING TO CONTAIN THE CRIMINALS, AND NOT TOURIST VICTIMS OF DEPRAVITY IN ARUBA!

    19. Brendon Dunn on July 11th, 2007 11:11 am

      Pearl, you are terrible. Just terrible. I think it is great you want justice for Natalee, but the way you don’t care about other people who are either involved in a sailing accident or innocent people on Aruba who work very hard is just disguisting.

      And the way you spray your unfunded comments is just not right. Don’t forget is was Natalee’s own decision to get into a car with complete strangers and was given the chance to get out when leaving Oranjestadt. So, rumours like drugging, kidnapping, gangraping, killing, burrying and re-burrying committed by several people is not helping in anyway to get this case solved. And that holds as well for the lies Beth spreaded on purpose, Jossy Mansur paying for false accusations and falsified tapes by jamie Skeeters.

      If you really want justice you have to put pressure on the investigators by sticking to the facts. There are a lot of open questions still to be answered by the police. That is what needs our focus to keep the case alive. The way you act suggests you have a lot of personal anger.

    20. Eggbert on July 11th, 2007 11:14 am

      Boy Scared has it wrong on this one. I have read first hand reports on this and the only reason those people are safe is because of the actions of tour boats that stopped everything and helped out. Scuba divers jumped in and saved people trapped under the boat. A squall hit and between the water and sand in the air you couldn’t even see the boat from shore. In all about 20 boats, almost all Aruban staffed, responded. Bad example because if they would have done nothing people would be dead. I have been out on lakes when unexpected squalls hit, believe me the sky is crystal clear one minute, pitch black the next. Whatever mistakes were made and continue to be made with Natalie, doesn’t change the fact that the people who responded to this are heroes.

    21. Sasha on July 11th, 2007 11:17 am

      Jolly Pirates was also on fire 3 years ago. They completely lost that boat and brought a new one. Something really makes me wonder about that company. Insurance Money, maybe….

    22. Just me on July 11th, 2007 11:26 am

      Well, I did see the storm first hand and I really never want to see anything like it again. No, the Jolly Pirates did not sink due to neglect. It tipped and sunk because of the wind storm. It was brutal and all of the tourists on the beach were shocked.

      I have been here for 5 years and never saw anything like it. Please do not say that in any way, this boat or it’s crew did anything wrong. Thanks to the fast actions of the crew and every other water vehicle or boat in the water, all of the AMERICAN TOURISTS were saved and I might add, very grateful as there were all interviewed on local TV last night.

      Oh and Pearl, get off the soap box, you are very irritating.

      ____________________________
      SM: If Pearl is irritating to you I suggest not reading here. (klaasend)

    23. dennisintn on July 11th, 2007 11:43 am

      #l9, how do you know natalee got in the car of her own volition? daterape drugs don’t allow the victim to make decisions.
      dennisintn

    24. aw@aruba on July 11th, 2007 11:51 am

      Oh my God Pearl, really you need to take a grip on yourself. If you have actually read my post you can see clearly that I was disgusted at the way earlier posts than mine twisted the accident of nature that happened yesterday, nowhere have I mentioned anything bad about Natalee and what could have happened to her. I unlike you have seen the efforts (and actually did something) to try to find her. Unlike you who either read to many thrillers or who is a clarvoyant to know all the things you mentioned above that according to you happened to Natalee. It makes me wonder what kind of person you are to be able to imagine all that, no normal person imagine all those terrible things. You can paint too good a picture about what happened and you really should seek help for all that anger, one day you will explode and do something really afwul. Posts 16, 19 & 20, thank you for seeing that the accident yesterday could have been really terrible and a freak of nature. Many people, local and tourists risked their own live to bring assistant to those victims. What happened had nothing to do with the dissapearance of Natalee. And may I remind you Pearl that none of us here on Aruba thinks of Natalee as an isolated incident and we have not forget her. In fact never, never will stop looking for her or demand to know what happened. So once again, get a grip and start working on those terribel thoughts.

    25. minnesota dad on July 11th, 2007 11:57 am

      To the AHATA folks posting here…

      Yes, we want the boycott to be successful of Aruba. Though I have concern for the tourists on that boat, it also indicates that Aruba is just a bad place to go for tourism. From the JetBlue flight problems to Cruise ships leaving to Tourist Party Pirate Ships sinking….this just adds to the desire to see Aruban Tourism harmed in as many ways possible. YOU, ARUBA, HAVE CREATED THIS MESS. PLEASE UNDERSTAND WHY MANY PEOPLE ARE HAPPY TO SEE TOURISM HURT IN ARUBA —- IT IS JUST NOT A SAFE PLACE TO TRAVEL WHEN YOU KNOW THAT A CRIME CAN BE COMMITTED AGAINST YOU AND THOSE WITH THE POWER TO BRING JUSTICE — INSTEAD COVER-UP.

      To those Arubans posting here, perhaps a few questions for you: Who organized the protests against Beth Twitty on Rape Island? Who created the rumors that a mother, distraught about the disappearance of her daughter and Aruban officials lack of interest in bringing the predators to justice, was way out of line while on Aruba? Who developed the attack plan against Beth Twitty – the Hitler’s relative, the insurance scam, the Beth is only doing this to get donations for her foundation so that she can pilfer? Who created the phoney “runaway letter” full of Paulus Van Der Sloots fingerprints and no one elses? Who disappeared evidence…including Natalee Holloway’s body?

      Arubans did. You can blame the Dutch. You can blame the Surinamese. You have tried to blame everyone. Now, please stand in front of a mirror and say these words, “I am accountable for the problems with our tourism and for other people relishing in the thought that our tourism is being destroyed.” You can fix this but rather than fixing you come to this board and rip people for pointing out another negative to potential tourists….that your island just isn’t a safe place to vacation.

      We are now two years and two months into the cover-up. What quiet hearings have taken place in Aruba to release all the predators as suspects (I will bet there have been a few! I am sure the Curacao Judge has even found a flight and made it on time!). How are you going to get out of this Aruba? Are you going to demand the KLPD take action against the government actors that aided this cover-up? Or are you just going to let the KLPD come back with “we reviewed all of the evidence and did not find enough evidence to bring charges” (this is not a statement of innocence, but rather a confirmation that the case has been tampered with beyond repair).

      So please don’t lecture me on what is right or what is wrong. YOU need to do what is right for these things to go away.

      md

    26. JusticeforNatalee on July 11th, 2007 11:58 am

      #13
      “Are you really so disgusting that you have no respect for human life?”

      Response: Where is ARUBA’S respect for the life of NATALEE ANN HOLLOWAY?

      It is bad enough that she was killed on Aruba –now give her JUSTICE.

    27. Sasha on July 11th, 2007 12:06 pm

      I think Julia Renfro AND the owners of Jolly Pirates are also posting here…Not just AHATA…

      But here is my question…If the sea was so rough, why did the boat even still go on its trip? Why didn’t they cancel the trip because of rough sea? Isn’t that what watersports companies are supposed to do when the weather is bad? That is BAD judgement by the captain and the owners of the company. I guess making a couple of bucks is more important than the tourist lives…

      I am also shocked all the other boats were able to help. Usually they are soooooooooooo high on weed, they can’t even open their eyes. But again, thank God, everyone is okay. One thing I must say, Aruba IS GOING TO HELL….

    28. k on July 11th, 2007 12:18 pm

      # 20 Eggbert,,”Whatever mistakes were made and continue to be made with Natlie,(the least you could do is spell her name right)doesn’t change the fact that the people who responded to this are heroes.” Isn’t it ashame that there doesn’t seem to be any heroes for NATALEE in Aruba?

    29. Ralph on July 11th, 2007 12:19 pm

      Aruba, where ill winds blow.

    30. Mohican on July 11th, 2007 12:26 pm

      #13 –

      aw@aruba, a moral prediker and apparent sensitive being of profound faith:

      Take things for what they are and for the purpose they mean to serve…you will not feel as bad as you apparently do. But also, don’t dramatize… winds equivalent to more than category 4 hurricane -130/150 mph – would have wiped and sunk more than a pirate’s sail boat in AW.

    31. Miss-Underestimated on July 11th, 2007 12:27 pm

      What happened to Aruba’s state of the art water craft tracking system?

    32. Eggbert on July 11th, 2007 12:27 pm

      Minnesota for what to go away? Squalls and heroic responses to a tragedy? Be upset with the whole Hollaway situation, but how someone can’t see this incident for what it was, and that is people banding together in a time of crisis with a complete disregard for their own safety, and coming to the aid of others, is beyond me. These rescuers should be given medals not get attacked for something they have no control over. No I don’t work for the Aruban govt, I am a lifelong Chicagoian.

    33. katablog.com on July 11th, 2007 12:53 pm

      #19 are those the heroes over at 24ora.com laughing about the ship overturning? I don’t see anyone here laughing at the accident. There is some musing about it being just what Aruba deserves.

      It’s interesting that there are so many people that come here to defend Aruba. Why? Why don’t Arubans come here to defend Natalee and her family? Natalee was the victim.

      Just what solid information do you have that Natalee willingly got into that car? What information do you have that the 3 creeps were strangers? We’ve read that Joran was hanging around the MountainBrook kids all week, lying and stating he was also a tourist staying at the hotel.

      Let’s say for the sake of argument that Natalee got into the car willingly with the agreement that the boys would take her back to the hotel. Are you telling us that it is therefore her fault that the 3 creeps then raped and killed her?

      Why do you think Pearl “made up” all those things about what happened to Natalee? Do you have information that the confession by one of the perps didn’t happen? Are you saying that Joran describing Natalee’s panties to his Mommy would indicate that Natalee was not raped?

      Where is yours and your pals sense of justice and compassion? Do you not understand that a family who loved Natalee has been waiting not for a month or two but rather for over 2 years to find out what happened to their daughter?

      Instead of answers they are treated to insistence that the FBI investigate if Natalee’s mother was related to Hitler. Even if Beth was, how would this relate or justify to the death of Natalee? Aruba wants 120 Americans who were not the last ones seen with Natalee to be investigated by the US FBI before Aruba bothers to ask some very probing questions of the last 3 creeps actually seen with her who to this day can’t get their stories straight and have said some very damning things (including lying about 2 innocent men).

      Aruba took 2 years to actually even look in the house where the notable psychopathic liar who was last seen with Natalee lived. Aruba knows that Joran has been a trouble maker with anger issues and a psychopathic liar and yet he walks free.

      If you care about people, why don’t you care about the horrific stories made up about Natalee’s family (pregnant with her stepfather’s baby, supposedly bought drugs on Aruba, a slut, a bitch, mother related to Hitler, insurance scam, hospital plane spirited her away, etc.) and see how this only piles on more pain to a family who has suffered more than anyone could ask?

    34. Rob on July 11th, 2007 12:54 pm

      PEARL ROX

      ARUBA SUX!

    35. cousin_it on July 11th, 2007 1:06 pm

      Glad you Aruban’s put the crack pipe down long enough to help someone other than yourselves for once.

    36. Vicki on July 11th, 2007 1:13 pm

      SATANS ISLAND AND SURINAME????funny the two places where the DEMONS are from… PEARL, I LOVE YOUR POST and MD too. CRY me a river. GOD does not like ugly. You stole his angel, his child from him and he wants JUSTICE for her. I pray that the idiot tourists that were on that boat tell ppl when they get back what happened and how noone should go to that VILE AND EVIL cesspool.

    37. cousin_it on July 11th, 2007 1:17 pm

      Pearl does rock!

    38. cousin_it on July 11th, 2007 1:20 pm

      Aruban’s are selfish and stupid & i wouldn’t care if all of them were washed off the island into the sea today.

    39. JusticeforNatalee on July 11th, 2007 1:46 pm

      “IT IS JUST NOT A SAFE PLACE TO TRAVEL WHEN YOU KNOW THAT A CRIME CAN BE COMMITTED AGAINST YOU AND THOSE WITH THE POWER TO BRING JUSTICE – INSTEAD COVER-UP”

      Spot on comment, MD.

    40. Brendon Dunn on July 11th, 2007 2:01 pm

      # 33 – Katablog

      Looking at your last 4 paragraphs, you have to know I completely agree with you. It is absolutely terrible that after two year all the people who love Natalee are uncertain of what happened to her and disgusting stories are made up.

      But in my opinion if we want to fight for justice there is no point that we are making up stories as well. We only stand stronger in case we stay a credible party who wants a lot of questions answered while relating to facts. That is my point.

      So, concluding that they are all serial killers and gangrapers because Joran described the panties is not correct. At that point you are behaving in the same way as the suspects who make up stories and that’s just not the best way to fight the case.

      And stating that Natalee willingly (see statements classmates) got into the car does not mean I think it’s her own fault for what happened. It was however definately a mistake and is a warning to people that you should never do this. Sometimes I get the feeling while reading some comments that Natalee did absolutely nothing wrong and that is just not true.

      And holding all Arubans accountable for the vanishing is just not the right way to go. This does not mean I defend Aruba. But there are a lot of Arubans who want to solve this case because they care about Natalee and her family. Did you hold your barber accountable for the Oklahoma bombing? No. So for example, in case Minnesota dad directs post #25 to the chieff inspector of Police, instead of a complete population, he is spot on.

      I understand your anger and you willingness to help solve the case. But drawing all kind of weird conclusions based on rumours and blaming innocent people does not help to solve the case. We have enough facts and concrete unanswered questions to fight for justice. Let’s do that.

    41. disgustedmom on July 11th, 2007 2:24 pm

      #36, vicki, I thought that was interesting too that Aruba and Suriname got it on the same day. Oh, sure, this sort of thing can happen anywhere at any time, but the coincidence here is uncanny. What will be next? The Natural Bridge has already fallen. Is the House of Cards next?

    42. Nut44x4 on July 11th, 2007 3:06 pm

      HOUSE OF CARDS
      Music by Elton John
      Lyrics by Bernie Taupin
      Released as a UK B-side in May, 1975
      I hear tell some playboy has kidnapped your heart
      With his plane and his plans for games after dark
      Just a pain in his pocket, and the price of a room
      Where the second hand sheets smell of stale perfume

      If there’s sharks in the water, don’t swim where it’s deep
      For the taste of success can be bitter and sweet
      It could be you’re right that I act like a child
      But you’ll be the loser when the jokers run wild

      chorus:
      You’re just playing the game, but the stakes are too high
      What will you do when the chips start to fly
      When the deck’s stacked against you, and the living gets hard
      Oh it’s four walls of madness in this house of cards

      Common you call me, but I know there’s time
      In a handful of diamonds, a heart’s hard to find
      And your house of cards starts weighing you down
      Your nights become restless when the clubs start to pound

      You’re just playing the game, but the stakes are too high
      What will you do when the chips start to fly
      When the deck’s stacked against you, and the living gets hard
      Oh it’s four walls of madness in this house of cards

    43. Pearl on July 11th, 2007 3:08 pm

      I apologize, my fellow Natalee angels of hope.
      My eyes are dizzy, from the MAJOR DISTRACTIONS and SPINNING being perpetrated in this special place, reserved for Natalee’s HOPE, Natalee’s right to justice.

      But alas, the twisted demented perversions that seem to incessantly TWIST and LIE regarding Natalee’s beloved family, and Natalee herself, seem to continue to assault and attack, even with OUR WORDS, no less concerning NATALEE’S SUFFERING OF TORMENT IN ARUBA, AND THE BUTCHERING OF HER TRUTH.

      How convenient, that those who seek to SHRED this little girl’s suffering from all the contempt displayed by men and women with absolutely NO CONSCIENCE or ability for empathy or compassion, would also demand that THEY dictate the parameters within which we speak about Natalee!

      WELL SAID, MD, KATABLOG, VICKI, MISS U, J4N, Cousin it, Dennisntn and Sasha!

      It appears that those whose hatred of Natalee’s TRUTH and their timidity in DISCOURSE concerning WHAT SHE SUFFERED AT THE HANDS OF ARUBA’S MONSTERS, is “off limits” by THEIR GAME.

      We saw that game before: “The We are looking EVERYWHERE” game ( EXCEPT, “THE HOUSE”).

      The: “She could have come through the hotel lobby ANOTHER WAY” game, when they knew she was never even DROPPED OFF!

      The: “WE FOUND ALL THEIR STATEMENTS TO BE CONSISTENT” game, when they KNEW what a bunch of CRIMINAL LIARS THEY ALL WERE.

      You know, dear Natalee Truth-bearers, I do believe that “aw”, and “aw’s” pals, are having some difficulty with MD and Katablog, and J4N’s and Miss U’s and Dennisintn, and so many OTHERS QUESTIONS.

      Have you done your research yet, SPINNERS?

      Tell everyone here, the reason WHY NELSON ODUBER was prancing around in FLORIDA, in EARLY JUNE, 2005.

      What’s the matter?

      Does the hypocrisy of attending that meeting with all the LIES and COVER UP being executed off the back of a little DEFENSELESS GIRL, in conjunction with the LIES being spun to United States officials by Aruban representatives, along with the “We are doing EVERYTHING to find her” SCAM, somehow feel a little too tight for your “comfort”, as it concerns the audacity of individuals who would ATTEND THE MEETING HERE IN THE USA, AND THEN PROCEED TO BUTCHER, A CHILD, HER MOTHER, HER FATHER, AND HER ENTIRE FAMILY ALL FOR THE CAUSE OF “$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$TOURISM?”
      (and of course, the “other” issues involved, which wouldn’t go over very well, with the potential American’s entertaining travel considerations outside their beloved USA)?

      Tell us, spinners: WHY WAS ODUBER IN THE USA in EARLY JUNE, 2005, and explain for us the hypocrisy of men who would LIE to a UNITED STATES OFFICIAL, concerning “WHAT” was being done to “FIND” Natalee, LIE TO FBI OFFICIALS, LIE TO THIS CHILD’S FAMILY MEMBERS WHO WERE ENTITLED TO HER TRUTH?

      You do not OWN her truth!

      IT IS HERS, and SHE WILL HAVE IT GIVEN BACK.

      You will not distract us from finding her truth, nor can you ERASE HER BEAUTIFUL SPIRIT.

      HER TRUTH WILL RISE UP, IN SPITE OF YOUR VENOM.
      HER STORY WILL BE TOLD, IN SPITE OF PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT AND HIS “NO CORPSE, NO CASE” “CONTAINMENT WITH THE DEAD” BRUTALITY THAT HE INFLICTED UPON NATALEE’S LOVING MOTHER AND FATHER AND FAMILY.

      THIS CHILD DESERVES TO COME HOME.

      ANSWER FOR US THE QUESTIONS THAT MD RAISES, KATABLOG RAISES, THAT EVERYONE HERE RAISES…

      TELL US WHY NELSON ODUBER WAS IN FLORIDA, AND GIVE US SOME EXPLANATION FOR THE DISGRACE OF A MAN WHO WOULD KISS A MOTHER’S GRIEVING FACE, WHILE TELLING HER “NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW”, ATTEND CONFERENCES CONCERNING “HUMAN RIGHTS” AND CONCERNS OVER “THE MISSING”, AND THEN PROCEED TO ALLOW THE MOST BRUTAL, CRUEL HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS TO CONTINUE, THAT WERE INFLICTED UPON NATALEE AND HER FAMILY…

      You can’t talk about that MEETING, can you?

      PARTICULARLY – THE TIMING, I MEAN, AFTERALL, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE FOR EVERYONE TO LEARN THE TRUTH ABOUT THE “MEETING” NELSON WAS ATTENDING, WHILE NATALEE HOLLOWAY WAS BEING BUTCHERED, SLANDERED, AND VIOLATED IN EVERY CONCEIVABLE WAY IN ARUBA, LAND OF NO RETURN FOR LITTLE INNOCENT TOURISTS.

      Yeah. That would be REAL BAD for tourism, wouldn’t it?

      ALL PATHS LEAD TO SLOOT.

      ALL ANSWERS BEGIN WITH NATALEE’S TRUTH.

      Spare us the discomfort YOU FEEL.
      LET’S TALK ABOUT WHAT NATALEE FELT, IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS “FEELINGS”.

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE.
      JUSTICE FOR HER FAMILY.

      FIND A CONSCIENCE, ARUBA AND DO THE RIGHT THING!
      LET THIS LITTLE GIRL COME HOME TO HER MOTHER AND FATHER, TO HER LOVING FAMILY, AND BE BURIED WITH DIGNITY.

      AT LEAST THEN….PERHAPS YOUR ATTENDANCE AT THAT …UM…”MEETING”, MIGHT BEGIN TO HAVE THE “APPEARANCES” OF HOLDING SOME MEASURE OF “INTEGRITY”, “HONOR” AND A CONCERN FOR “TRUTH AND JUSTICE” – values sorely lacking in Aruba.

      SET NATALEE HOLLOWAY FREE!

      CONTAIN THE MURDERERS, ARUBA, NOT THE INNOCENT VICTIMS!

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!

    44. Just another reader on July 11th, 2007 3:27 pm

      Pearl, could you turn the caps lock of please? You’ve made your point. No need to shout!

    45. Brie on July 11th, 2007 3:38 pm

      #44…all of us can read in caps…but for some, your just another reader with a problem!

    46. Brie on July 11th, 2007 3:42 pm

      OK…Get Smart…your shoe is ringing!

    47. Just another reader on July 11th, 2007 3:46 pm

      Brie, where did I say I couldn’t read in caps? I just said that Pearl had made her point and there was no need to shout.

      By the way, since when does Pearl need a spokesperson? Looks to me like she can cope fine on her own.

      _________________
      SM: Since when is it your job to tell Pearl to use caps or not. (klaasend)

    48. Just another reader on July 11th, 2007 3:51 pm

      Just making a suggestion Klaasend. Seems to me many people here do the same….

    49. Brie on July 11th, 2007 3:53 pm

      Sailing a vessel takes knowledge and leadership. You know it’s coming when the clouds don’t look friendly, dark, menacing, swirling, multi-colored. White caps precede, a squall blows up, get the sails down and keep the boat from keeling over. You can also meet it headgoing. I would to know what credentials that had pertaining to the safety of the seas.

      Perhaps, it couldn’t be prevented, but I bet the ship wouldn’t pass any safety regulations!!!!!!!!

    50. Meee on July 11th, 2007 3:54 pm

      Great post once again Pearl. Why are there so many trolls here now? Speaking of trolls. Why do they always refer to it as “Mistakes” were made???? 1+1=3 is a mistake. What Aruba did was intentional to coverup the investigation. That seems to be the company line.

    51. Richard on July 11th, 2007 3:55 pm

      I think if the Arubans and their sympathizers here were to take half of the time they spend sniping at those who support the boycott and instead use it to urge their government to stop the cover-up, we might make progress.

      But it hasn’t happened yet ….

    52. Richard on July 11th, 2007 3:57 pm

      And I don’t think Pearl or anyone else here is indifferent to the loss of life. Indeed, one point of the boycott is precisely aimed at saving life … by shunning Aruba. Whoever goes there should realize there is no protection.

    53. cousin_it on July 11th, 2007 4:01 pm

      For the next trade show face off lets make a huge blow up of that poor nameless soul Aruban’s tossed on top of a garbage heap.

    54. Brie on July 11th, 2007 4:05 pm

      JUST ANOTHER READER…CAPS TO YOU IS SHOUTING..NO, IT’S YOUR ABSINTHE HANGOVER!!!! ENLARGED PUPILS… GO READ ARUBA TODAY, IT’S FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU!

    55. Just another reader on July 11th, 2007 4:15 pm

      They don’t publish aruba today in the country I live in, Brie. And I think the absinthe comment is completely unnecessary. Why can’t you just be civil? I am.

    56. mayan_moons on July 11th, 2007 4:21 pm

      Yeah who wants to wager the odds of that vessel not meeting safety standards and knowing Aruba maybe has never been inspected or maintained in a responsible way.

      I’m thinking all the tourist’s on that boat should seek out those answers aswell as the credentials of the owner/operator.

    57. Brie on July 11th, 2007 4:30 pm

      WHY ARE THEY’RE SO MANY TROLLS HERE?… BECAUSE WE MOVED THE ROCK! HAVE YOU EVER DISTURBED AN ANT HILL…SAME DIFFERENCE!

    58. katablog on July 11th, 2007 4:34 pm

      #40 – it would appear after reading your post that you did NOT understand me. What are the weird conclusions being drawn? You mean the ones where Dumpig says the boys are guilty as hell and then says he has it on credible authority (which turns out to be his drugged-up, hiding in the bushes brother-in-law), van Stratten tells us he’s seen the evidence and he knows Natalee is dead, or the part about the mysterious hospital plane that spirited Natalee away from a drug house (when she was last seen with Joran, Deepak & Satish)?

      Who are the innocent people that we supposedly are blaming? Do you mean the three creeps that can’t tell a straight story or could you mean the investigators who tell different stories based on what month it is, or do you mean the “news” articles in Amigoe, Joran’s interviews, Paulus’ interviews or could it be the stories posted by the trolls on the Internet?

      Yes, we do have (as does Aruba) enough facts to know what happened. So why do you think that when we put them together that these are weird conclusions.

      Yes, from time to time a writer will speculate on exactly how things happened. What’s wrong with that? How are crimes solved if someone doesn’t start with the facts and then speculate as to what happened?

      It’s really too bad the investigators of the case refused to ask probing questions of the three liars. It’s a shame that when Joran does interviews, no one will hold his feet to the fire and stay on one subject long enough to trap him in his lies? Why does everyone allow Joran and Paulus to spin and don’t stop them in their tracks and say “wait a minute, if that’s your explanation, then explain this…..”?

      There is no one in their right mind who has really reviewed the evidence against Joran’s spins that doesn’t know who is responsible for this crime. So why the heck doesn’t Aruba do something about it rather than blaming the FBI, Natalee, Beth, Jug, Natalee and the Mountain Brook students?

      BTW, we do NOT know that Natalee got in that car willingly. We do not know if she thought it was a taxi. We do not know if she was drugged, we do not know what lies were told to her. We DO know that getting into a car with strangers was VERY MUCH AGAINST Natalee’s character. So we have to believe that something happened to make her believe that she was safe and not going with strangers.

    59. Brendon Dunn on July 11th, 2007 4:36 pm

      #51. Well Richard, that holds for everybode here. Not only the so called trolls (people with a different view, but who still want justice!). Instead of argueing over CAPS or safetely regulations of a boat, time should be spend on urging officals to solve the case. Hardly any well-funded discussions or initiatives to be found unfortunately.

    60. mayan_moons on July 11th, 2007 4:36 pm

      You can rest assured that had those tourists flipped over in US waters off the coast of one of our states there’d by an investigation into those things….and a lawsuit!

    61. Nut44x4 on July 11th, 2007 4:41 pm

      #55….Do you have the internet? LMAO!!!!

    62. Pearl on July 11th, 2007 4:48 pm

      By golly, Brie, Thank you from the bottom of my heart for helping me to articulate, exactly what I feel about this whole matter.

      Just for YOU, just another reader:

      read this: JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!

      END THE CONTAINMENT OF THIS CHILD, THE VICTIM!

      “CONTAIN” THE MURDERERS, NOT THE VICTIM!

      “CONTAIN” THE RAPISTS, NOT THE VICTIM!

      “CONTAIN” THE KIDNAPPERS, THE MEN WITH NO CONSICENCE, THE LIARS WHO OBSTRUCTED NATALEE’S RIGHT TO JUSTICE!

      “CIVIL” CANNOT BE INCLUDED IN ANY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ANYTHING TO DO WITH ARUBA, UNTIL ARUBA DEMONSTRATES “CIVILITY” BY RETURNING NATALEE TO HER LOVING, BEAUTIFUL FAMILY.

      Sorry that I could not make that LARGER for you, just another reader.

      To be perfectly honest, the caps are simply NOT LARGE enough to accomodate the SIZE that a bright and promising child like Natalee DESERVES, and is ENTITLED TO, in order to DRAW ATTENTION TO WHAT SHE SUFFERED IN ARUBA.

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!
      JUSTICE FOR HER FAMILY!

      END THE CRUELTY AND INHUMANE TREATMENT OF THIS CHILD, AND THE BRUTALITY INFLICTED UPON HER BEAUTIFUL FAMILY!

      GET A CONSCIENCE, ARUBA!
      FIND JUSTICE BY STANDING FOR NATALEE’S RIGHT TO TRUTH AND JUSTICE!

      Find HONOR and INTEGRITY by VALUING TRUTH AND JUSTICE.

      BEGIN WITH NATALEE’S HUMAN RIGHTS: THE RIGHT TO BE SET FREE FROM PAULUS’ “CONTAINMENT WITH THE DEAD”.

      THE RIGHT TO BE SET FREE FROM DEEPAK AND JORAN’S SLANDER.

      THE RIGHT TO BE SET FREE FROM THE VICIOUS, CANNIBAL ASSAULTS ON HER DEFENSELESS LITTLE BODY.

      THE RIGHT TO HER TRUTH BEING INVESTIGATED.

      THE RIGHT TO BE RETURNED TO HER FAMILY, SO THEY CAN DIGNIFY HER TORMENT, AND SUFFERING WITH THE DECENCY OF A RESPECTFUL BURIAL – SOMETHING SHE IS DESERVING OF AND ENTITLED TO.

      SIZE MATTERS, JUST ANOTHER READER.

      MEASURE THE SIZE OF YOUR CONSCIENCE AND YOUR HEART!

      MEASURE THE PAIN AND SUFFERING INFLICTED UPON THIS POOR CHILD!

      MEASURE THE INHUMANE BRUTALITY THAT HER MOTHER AND FATHER WERE PUT THROUGH!

      MEASURE YOUR CONCERN FOR FONT-SIZE, AMIDST THE DESPICABLE CRUELTY YOU KNOW HAS BEEN INFLICTED UPON THIS INNOCENT CHILD AND HER FAMILY!

      MEASURE TRUTH AND JUSTICE, BY MEASURING UP TO STANDARDS FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE!

      JUSTICE THROUGH HONOR AND INTEGRITY!
      JUSTICE THROUGH NATALEE’S TRUTH!

      END THE CRUELTY!

      ALL ROADS LEAD TO SLOOT, AND ALL ANSWERS FOR ARUBA BEGIN WITH HONORING NATALEE’S RIGHT TO TRUTH AND JUSTICE, AND HER RIGHT TO BE SET FREE FROM THE UNCIVILIZED BRUTALITY OF “CONTAINMENT” INFLICTED UPON HER.

      LET THIS CHILD COME HOME TO HER FAMILY!

    63. Brie on July 11th, 2007 4:49 pm

      #56…I agree!

    64. Lorraine on July 11th, 2007 4:51 pm

      Pearl can write in caps all she wants, her words are profound and true and a pleasure to read. While yours, Mr. Dumb, are just that, they show your total stupidity. Pearl’s words, I’m sure are unfunded, unless there is some kind of salary going on here I don’t know about. How dare you not only imply, but actually SAY, that Beth has lied! About what? That her child was raped while going in and out of consciousness? Joran admitted that in a written statement……oh, but wait, it doesn’t count because even though it was witnessed, he didn’t SIGN it!!! How silly of me, he told what he did, when, where and to whom he did it but……he didn’t sign it!!!!! Besides, who could believe him, even HE wouldn’t believe himself…..said so right on Greta!!!! (another Dutch liar)

      Then you accused Jossey Mansur of PAYING for false “witnesses and tapes”…..where did you pull that one from? Evidentally, there exist tapes and statements…..some came as quite a shock to not only some of us, but also Paulus van der Sloot, himself, in court, when the judge denied him compensation for his, “unlawful arrest”…..oh, yes….evidentally, the judge felt it was VERY legal and had the tapes and Mr. Sloot’s statements, to prove it!!!!

      And, by the way, in #40 you use the inclusive prounoun, WE, in reference to investigating Natalee’s case, I can only speak for myself when I say, thanks, but, no thanks!!! You’re about on a par with Dumbpig, hey, your names are alike….are you related?

    65. Lorraine on July 11th, 2007 4:55 pm

      OMG ABSINTHE YOU’VE GOT A COMPUTER? DUH!!!!!

    66. Pearl on July 11th, 2007 5:01 pm

      53, you know, sometimes the VISUAL does help people in understanding an issue.

      How do we measure the cruelty and suffering that Beth and Dave have carried in their heavy hearts for TWO LONG YEARS?

      Draw the parallels, Cousin it, and make those connections because Aruba wants the universe to believe that the barbaric conduct they are HIDING that was INFLICTED UPON NATALEE was somehow “isolated”.

      SHOW THE TRUTH…LET PEOPLE SEE THE REAL TRUTH ABOUT ARUBA!

      Hey, Richard! How is your letter to that newspaper going?

      I hope you send it! It was a fantastic letter, Richard!

      To the people who run this site: GOD BLESS YOU FOR STANDING BY THIS CHILD’S SIDE.

      You are a rich blessing to Natalee and a soothing comfort to her family.

      You are a gift!

      Ahoy there Monkey mates for Natalee!

      Set your sails for tumultuous roads ahead.

      Perhaps Paulus thinks that “LYSOL” will ERASE the “no corpse, no case” “CONTAINMENT WITH THE DEAD” charges, that Karin Janssen somehow assigned to HIM.

      I wonder HOW Karin came UP with THOSE PARTICULAR CHARGES just for PAULUS.

      I wonder HOW Karin came UP with HEAVY BATTERY CHARGES JUST FOR GUIDO.

      Perhaps Cousin it – DUAL PHOTOS:

      One showing Beth collapsing to the ground, the depth of suffering NOT VISIBLE to the eye, but just the barbaric brokenness inflicted upon her in her time of greatest need when Aruban officials kicked her, LIED to her, MISLED HER, even sending her off into DANGEROUS LOCATIONS…only to then, SLANDER HER and HER PRECIOUS CHILD, NATALEE!

      The other picture showing the TRUTH of what can be found in Aruba when certain individuals DO NOT WANT TRUTH OR JUSTICE ENTERTAINED, NO LESS “DISCUSSED”.

      How many more hearts must be shattered before ARUBANS find it within their heart to DO THE RIGHT THING?

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!

      CONTAIN THE MURDERERS, NOT THE VICTIM, ARUBA!

      CONTAIN THE KILLERS AND THE RAPISTS, NOT THE INNOCENT, BRUTALIZED, BEATEN CHILD!

      EASE THE SUFFERING OF THIS FAMILY, BY RETURNING THEIR BABY TO THEM, AND ALLOWING THEM TO BURY HER!

      EASE THEIR SUFFERING BY ENDING THIS BARBARIC CRUELTY!

      SET THIS CHILD FREE, ARUBA!

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!

    67. mayan_moons on July 11th, 2007 5:33 pm

      Post#59 If you care about Aruba then it is YOU who should use their time urging Aruban official’s to DO THEIR JOBS instead of telling us to do it.

    68. Derek on July 11th, 2007 5:46 pm

      Well now it should become apparent to everybody, that in a large quanity of areas, that Aruba is becoming more and more screwed. Not by murders, but by everyday stuff like this.

    69. Brie on July 11th, 2007 6:32 pm

      #68…everyday stuff like this…Natalee, her family and her supports are not stuff…Aruba is becoming more and more screwed because of people like you, ignorance, carelessness, irresponsibility, not seeking and demanding justice, buy now it should be quite apparent why we are here, in a huge quantity. Murdering, kidnapping, raping, drugging, violation of a person’s human rights is your everyday stuff. NOT TO US!!! SO BEAT IT BOZO! YOU STINK!

    70. Brie on July 11th, 2007 6:39 pm

      Pearl, we all appreciate your time, hard work and dedication to seeking JUSTICE FOR NATALEE….continue on!!! And we’ll do the same! Natalee’s is now everyone’s child!

    71. Carpe Noctem on July 11th, 2007 6:40 pm

      That pussy Brendon, writes:

      “And the way you spray your unfunded comments is just not right. Don’t forget is was Natalee’s own decision to get into a car with complete strangers and was given the chance to get out when leaving Oranjestadt.”

      Hey moron,

      I am pretty sure if she knew in advance that they were

      taking her to rape her and drop her off stranded somewhere,

      she would have made a different decision that night.

      How was she to know that

      the murdering, raping, Van der sloot and Kalpoe serial

      sexual predator/carnivores were on the stalk, looking to

      get another rape video to upload to Joran’s sex website?

      You write crap like that, and then turn around and wonder

      why most Americans want to effin spit on you!

      This should be the island’s new marketing slogan -

      …….

      “ARUBA, We Have A JDAM For That!”

      …….
      -j4n

    72. Carpe Noctem on July 11th, 2007 6:50 pm

      JUSTICE 4 NAT.

      Today is number 772

    73. just moma on July 11th, 2007 6:52 pm

      Comment by Miss-Underestimated | July 11, 2007, 12:27 pm
      “What happened to Aruba’s state of the art water craft tracking system?”

      You mean the one Dompig said on TV was down a couple of hours one night? Might be interesting to see what night and to see. in time, if the investigators ever asked questions to the witness/suspects they brought in who own boats… namely Koen and Lorenzo.

    74. Lorraine on July 11th, 2007 7:12 pm

      Brendan Dumb, the posts here are not well-funded or funded in anyway……get a dictionary, learn to spell, better yet, give up blogging and take up reading. Nobody here is getting paid!!

      What do you suggest might URGE the Aruban authorities to do what they haven’t done in over TWO YEARS. Beth pleaded with them, Americans demanded of them, they were threatened with a Boycott, now their Tourism is “down the drain” (where their whole island belongs), and they STILL DON’T GET IT!!!! And you say stop talking about safety issues and URGE them to solve this case…..you must be Aruban, because you don’t get it either. There is nothing left, short of sending in Daisy Cutters, (and that’s not a bad idea) that can propel these people into action.
      In one simple sentence…..THEY DO NOT WANT TO SOLVE THIS CASE! (Period)

    75. Pearl on July 11th, 2007 7:12 pm

      We are all standing together by her side, Brie, and they SHALL NOT MOVE US FROM STANDING BY HER SIDE, AND RAISING HER RIGHTS FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE!

      End the criminal barbaric cruelty, Aruba!

      CONTAIN THE MURDERERS, NOT THE INNOCENT CHILD!

      CONTAIN THE BRUTAL CRIMINAL LIARS AND OBSTRUCTORS OF JUSTICE, NOT THE VICTIM OF BARBARIC CRUELTY!

      END THIS INHUMANE AND UNCIVILIZED TREATEMENT OF A CHILD, ARUBA!

      SEND NATALEE HOME TO HER MOTHER AND FATHER!
      SEND NATALEE HOME TO HER FAMILY!

      END THIS BARBARIC CRUELTY!

      DO NOT DENY A CHILD – A CHILD ( !!!) … THE DECENCY OF A RESPECTABLE BURIAL.

      How CRUEL and how heartless can you allow these savages to behave on YOUR SOIL?

      We stand together Brie.
      YES! You are so correct, Brie.

      They thought they could ERASE HER VOICE AND HER TRUTH, WHILE THEY SAVAGELY ERASED HER PRECIOUS BODY FROM THE LOVING ARMS OF HER FAMILY.

      MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT: THIS CHILD IS NOT GOING TO “DISAPPEAR” AND BE CONDEMNED TO ARUBA’S PREDATOR’S SENTENCE OF “CONTAINING” HER TRUTH, AND HER SUFFERING!

      She is indeed EVERYONE’S CHILD.

      Set this child free, Aruba!
      Release this child from the unlawful barbaric imprisonment INFLICTED UPON HER by “no corpse, no case” CONTAINMENT OF THE DEAD ARRANGEMENTS of which Karin Janssen subscribed to none other than PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT.

      SET THIS BRUTALLY BEATEN CHILD FREE, ARUBA!
      RETURN HER TO HER FAMILY!

      Justice for Natalee and for her loving family.

    76. Pearl on July 11th, 2007 7:19 pm

      How profoundly true, just moma and astute, Miss U !!

      Yes indeed.

      Suddenly – as with all other CONCRETE FACTS OF EVIDENCE: THINGS JUST DISAPPEARED, including Aruba’s ability to “TRACK” boats – but only for JUST ONE NIGHT.

      Yes, just moma.

      You probably don’t need to guess WHICH night it must have been, or whether the Stratten crew ever bothered documenting ANYTHING concerning the departures of BOATS for those first TEN DAYS.

      Wasn’t there JUST ONE NIGHT, when the LIGHTS WENT OUT?
      Wasn’t it interesting too, that ON THAT NIGHT, or JUST BEFORE, SUDDENLY, ALL THE BOATS WERE CALLED IN OFF THE WATER.

      THEN …POOF! POWER FAILURE.
      Yes, moma. I’m sure we can safely conclude that the “tracking” problem occured within the first ten days, when Straaten and his crew were looking the other way, thus allowing CRIMINALS to DESTROY ALL EVIDENCE OF THEIR WRETCHEDNESS AND CRUELTY.

      GOD BLESS NATALEE, FOR THE BRUTAL SUFFERING SHE ENDURED, GOD BLESS HER BEAUTIFUL FAMILY.

      May they know that many are standing not only by Natalee’s side, but by their side as well.

      As Richard said: If we do not stand for this child’s right to justice and truth, then WHO WILL?

      Stand together for the honoring of THIS CHILD’S HUMAN RIGHTS to an HONEST investigation into the criminal acts that violated her rights, and took her from her loving family – FOREVER.

      Justice for Natalee.

      CONTAIN THE MURDERERS, ARUBA, NOT THE VICTIM!

      CONTAIN THE LIARS, THE OBSTRUCTORS, THE CRIMINALS, NOT THE VICTIMIZED CHILD!

      SET NATALEE HOLLOWAY FREE, ARUBA!
      FIND A CONSCIENCE!

    77. Carpe Noctem on July 11th, 2007 7:21 pm

      16 – When I read this board, I am ashamed to be an American.

      ….

      Go put on your diving gear you flea bag.

      I know exactly who you are. You are no American…

      Not one the US would want to admit to anyway.

    78. Carpe Noctem on July 11th, 2007 7:30 pm

      They’re thinking of renaming the boat

      from “Jolly Pirates” …

      to only “Mildly Upbeat.”

      …more details tonight
      on the news channel!

      Get bumped, Aruba…

      I hope ya get one

      right in the ol’

      lint catcher. -j4n

    79. Pearl on July 11th, 2007 7:31 pm

      Yes, Carpe. We DO KNOW of WHICH category to PUT THEM IN, don’t we?

      Bless you for your love of Natalee, Carpe!

    80. Susan on July 11th, 2007 7:35 pm

      Were the perps and all of their accomplices on board? Oops, my bad, it would have taken a cruise liner or a warship to hold the entire poverty stricken, drug infested, third world isle of ARUBBISH…

      BOYCOTT ARUBA AND HOLLAND!!

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE :-)

    81. Pearl on July 11th, 2007 7:59 pm

      Susan, I often wonder whether there is a place big enough to CONTAIN all the evil that has been inflicted upon Natalee and her beautiful family.

      This is such a barbaric story of cruelty and uncivilized conduct inflicted upon a TOURIST,a CHILD, no less!

      It is absolutely the most horrific story I think I’ve ever heard of.

      You have to wonder what vessal – if any, can CONTAIN ALL THE EVIL inflicted upon this beautiful child and her family?

    82. Derek on July 11th, 2007 8:09 pm

      69: I never said that Natalee, her family and her supports are stuff. Stuff like this, means like the boat capsizing, and the other {100+} events that are screwing the island up.

      I am not ignorant, I do care for the family and all that have been emotionally devatisated by this sick-minded tragedy. I am not irresponsible in any way here. And I do care for people that demand justice to be served, I totally respect that. What I mean by everyday stuff, is what I said in the first paragraph.

      All five things that you said, are completely correct on all counts.

      So there are no reasons for me to beat it. And by calling me Bozo and You Stink, when I just want to discuss things on a level that has sanity in it, well I don’t see how making idiotic remarks, makes you any better of a person, Brie.

      You respect the family and want justice served to everybody, and I totally respect that. Your just getting angry for no apparent reason to me.

      70: I too appreciate Pearl, and everybody who seeks justice in this crime.

      71: Brendon did not say that Natalee knew in advance that our three utter bitches that deserve to be nuked, who rape her. So both Carpe and Brendon should look at that.

      74: Lorraine, that needs to be said to half of the people that post on this site. Thank you.

      75: They aren’t going to cooperate anytime soon. Listen to post 74.

      So yeah, that’s it.

    83. Mary Ann on July 11th, 2007 8:13 pm

      You people are still sick!!! Wishing bad things to happen so that you can have justice for Natalee. Isn’t that an oxymoran? Accidents happen everywhere. This site picks up every bad thing they can find about Aruba. Where do you live? Does nothing bad ever happen in your community. I think not. You are too focused on Aruba, maybe you should be more in tune with what’s happening in the US. Homeland security seems concerned that we may be the target of terroists, prehaps that could be something more important then an old case.

    84. Derek on July 11th, 2007 8:21 pm

      Mary Ann- Thank you please. This case involves the utter hell for the victim’s yes, but it’s not the most important legal issue, or country issue, or world issue going on.

      But that’s what happens, when the media {ScaredMonkeys is not the media, so they are not at fault}, overcovers this case, when so many more important actions and events are happening within this world. And when so many other families have children missing, and they get almost no coverage whatsoever, when this case was the nonstop story in Mid-2005.

    85. disgustedmom on July 11th, 2007 8:43 pm

      Um, Trolls….if you’re so concerned about other issues in the world, they WHY ARE YOU HERE?

      Hypocrites.

    86. Susan on July 11th, 2007 8:53 pm

      Hi Pearl :-) With a population of 100,000 it would probably require an entire fleet of cruiseliners and/or warships to load ‘em up. Cargo planes come to mind as well.

      Beth, Dave, Matt and other family members have been put through hell on earth :-( What goes around comes around and Aruba/Holland shall get theirs…

      BOYCOTT ARUBA AND HOLLAND!!

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE :-)

    87. Scared Monkeys on July 11th, 2007 9:02 pm

      Isn’t it comical that those that would call others the Klan or Nazi’s are the very people who do not want others to express their opinions.

      Hate is such an ugly characteristic.

      When you can’t argue a point … you call names instead or threaten. Keep it up and we shall see where it gets you.

    88. Brie on July 11th, 2007 9:03 pm

      to mary ann and derek….missing children is one of the most important issues of the world…this case in particular, shows known how known criminals, guilty of the Natalee’s disappearance, are protected because of corruption and cover-up…there are many legal issues concerning this case. Natalee’s disappearance and the attention that has been given hopefully has educated and saved many children from the disgusting low-life predators that exist.

      Some families of missing children, unfortunately, have no clues as to what happened and no where to begin.

      There are many issues happening in this world…but that doesn’t make Natalee’s case any less that what it is!

      When you protect children of the world…you can never overcover a case! What an assanine comment to make!!!!

      So, you have a problem with giving the unjust attention, THEN, MOVE ON!

    89. disgustedmom on July 11th, 2007 9:05 pm

      Check out Anita’s middle son. Where was he REALLY the night Natalee went missing?

      Early on no one thought to consider him because it was said he was with mommy in Holland. Then Joran screws up and says daddy has to go home and take care of the kid. Then daddy says he’s staying with friends. But he was on the computer about 3AM. And let’s see….that person on the hate sites that claims to speak directly with the VDS’s, more specifially Anita, said Anita said the whole house was searched except that one boy’s bedroom. Oh me oh my….then we have this kid telling daddy not too long ago that maybe daddy shouldn’t talk to the press anymore in case he says something he shouldn’t by accident. A kid worried? Coaching his lawyer daddy? Where was this kid that night and what does he know?

    90. Rob on July 11th, 2007 9:26 pm

      Hey Derek you brain dead cantaloupe. Holland is an ally of the United States and when they F of ours we’re gonna take it to the hilt.. pappa dope roach!!!

      Well see the next time Holland and Aruba comes screaming to us for any kind of help.

      I can only imagine what you consider ‘important’. Now get in the back of the bus where the trolls roll…fool!

      This case keeps going because WE’RE not letting it go. Cry us all a river how there are so many other important issues.
      If you can’t stand up for Natalee Holloway – You can’t stand up for anything and will be a pawn of whatever mind bender rolls your way.

      Welcome to your worst nightmare .. where people GET JUSTICE and brain dead fools get their asses handed to em!

    91. Allank on July 11th, 2007 9:29 pm

      Can the Arubans here tell me what happened to the boys that raped the girl in school?

      The whole world saw Aruba covering up for criminals and telling the mother of Natalee to shut up.
      Everybody saw Aruba protest Beth Twitty and threaten her.

      How many Arubans protested those lying raping scumbags Joran,Depak and the pimp gangs?

    92. Pearl on July 11th, 2007 9:33 pm

      Oh, 83- 84, Is there …TOO much coverage, for a child’s HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS perpetrated as a “vanishing” act under the breaths of vile evil men?

      Me thinks that YOU do not speak for the “THEM” who, you claim aren’t going to “cooperate anytime soon”, yet apparently THEY do seem to be getting disgusted with the likes of PAULUS, JORAN, DEEPAK, SATISH, GUIDO and the rest of the the gang, otherwise, WHAT POSSIBLE REASON MIGHT EXPLAIN YOUR PURPOSE FOR SPENDING SO MUCH TIME ON WHAT YOU CALLOUSLY REFER TO AS AN “OLD CASE”?

      Is the dialogue getting a little too close for your comfort?

      Once again, you spin the parameters of what YOU dictate CAN be discussed. You want to claim everyone here is out of step with the times, with “all those missing children out there – NAMELESS, UNTIL SOMEONE CLAIMS THEIR RIGHTS FOR THEM!

      You suggest everyone here has no basis for boycotting HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS of an American child, but you want to parallel THIS CHILD’S HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS WITH SO MANY OF THE NAMELESS MISSING CHILDREN OUT THERE.

      So what troubles you? The fact that WE CALL HER BY HER NAME: NATALEE, the little girl ganged up on in Aruba, and brutalized by Aruban barbaric criminals, or the fact that we GIVE NAME to the hideous CRIMINAL ACTIVITY being cloaked under slogans of “HAPPY ISLAND”, while tourists are kept in the dark about the EVIL being CONDONED and SANCTIONED BY ARUBAN LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS DIRECTED TOWARDS INNOCENT, AMERICAN CHILDREN VISITING YOUR ISLAND – IN GOOD FAITH?

      You want to limit our discussions about NATALEE, and the SUFFERING INFLICTED UPON HER, by casting a net of countless NAMELESS CHILDREN TARGETED IN WHAT YOU CLAIM ARE SIMILAR WAYS, WHILE ALL THE WHILE AVOIDING DISCUSSION OF THIS CHILD – THIS CHILD, WHOSE NAME WE CLAIM, WHOSE RIGHT TO JUSTICE WE STAND TOGETHER FOR.

      You sit there, suggesting that our discussion over Natalee is somehow “old” and out of sync with YOUR versions of WHERE this conversation should be headed, while suggesting that YOUR CONDUCT in limiting discussion to ONLY your twisted ideas concerning the VALIDITY of this child’s family’s RIGHT to PURSUE THEIR BABY’S RIGHT TO JUSTICE, is somehow – NOT manipulation, even as that slithering pathetic official stood before the television cameras telling everyone the BIGGEST LIE OF THE DAY: “SHE COULD HAVE COME THRU ANOTHER WAY” – when he KNEW she NEVER EVEN GOT DROPPED OFF AT ALL!

      You’ve lost sight of what it feels like to live INSIDE the PARAMETERS OF INTEGRITY.

      You’ve lost sight of the fact that a community that FESTERS IN INJUSTICE, LIES, OBSTRUCTIONS, AND PERVERTED CONDUCT INFLICTED UPON CHILDREN AND SANCTIONED BY ADULTS WHO TAKE OATHS TO DEFEND AND PROTECT THEM, IS A COMMUNITY OF INFECTED MINDS AND HEARTS HEADED FOR IMPLOSION DUE TO THE DEPRAVITY INFLICTED UPON THE POWERLESS AND THE INNOCENT!

      Cleanse your conscience, by SEEKING TRUTH AND JUSTICE!

      You cannot silence this child’s truth.
      You cannot ERASE HER RIGHT TO GO HOME TO HER MOTHER AND FATHER, AND LOVING FAMILY.

      YOU CANNOT DETERMINE THAT HER RIGHT TO A HUMANE BURIAL – DIGNIFIED WITH HER FAMILY’S TRADITIONS AND BELIEFS, IS SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE DETERMINED AS HAVING NO VALUE OR INTEREST TO THE REST OF THE WORLD.

      YOU ARE NOT THAT POWERFUL, AND YOU HAD BETTER GET USED TO THE IDEA THAT YOU WILL NOT CONTROL THE DIALOGUE AROUND WHICH THIS CHILD’S TRUTH SHALL BE DISCUSSED.

      Better for you to expend your energies on SEEKING JUSTICE and HONORING TRUTH, because YOU will not be determining what the “most important legal issues” shall be that the general public wishes to hear about…(though it is clear that corrup Arubans did indeed try to do just that by slandering this poor child, assaulting her mother and father, and stooping to new lows in the depravity of assaulting the victim in virtually EVERY conceivable way possible.)

      And, you actually think that YOU are going to determine whether or NOT HER NAME, HER STORY, the TRUTH OF WHAT SHE SUFFERED AT THE HANDS OF ARUBAN PREDATORS, THE TRUTH OF THE BARBARIC CRUELTY INFLICTED UPON HER AND HER FAMILY – WILL BECOME THE STANDARD BY WHICH YOU ARE JUDGED, AND BY WHILCH TOURISTS CHOOSE WHERE TO TRAVEL?

      YOU MUST BE SUPPORTING ONE OF THE LYING SPINNERS!

      ONLY THEY WOULD PERCEIVE OF THEMSELVES AS GREATER AND MORE POWERFUL THAN THE POWER OF TRUTH TO FIND IT’S OWN PATHS TO JUSTICE!

      ONLY SPINNERS OF LIES WOULD SUGGEST THAT THEY HAVE SOME SELF-BLOATED POWER OVER WHETHER A DEFENSELESS, POWERLESS CHILD, BRUTALLY VICTIMIZED, HEAVY BATTERIED, MURDERED, RAPED AND SAVAGELY KEPT FROM HER FAMILY – COULD HOLD THE ATTENTION AND THE HEARTS OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.

      How pathetic and sad is the attitude that would suggest THIS CHILD HAS NO VALUE, HER SUFFERING HAS NO MEANING OR PURPOSE BECAUSE YOU HAVE DECIDED “IT IS OVER”, “IT IS FINISHED”. DO YOU KNOW WHO THAT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME?
      THAT SOUNDS LIKE HEARTLESS, PATHETHIC PAULUS, THE MAN WHO STARES INTO THE EYES OF A LITTLE GIRL, AND QUIPS THE NEXT DAY: “NO CORPSE, NO CASE”, AND DOESN”T BLINK OVER HIS “CONTAINMENT WITH THE DEAD”, BECAUSE HE HAS NO CONSCIENCE, NO EMPATHY FOR THE SUFFERING INFLICTED UPON THIS CHILD BY HIS ACTIONS AND HIS SON’S ACTIONS, AND THE ACTIONS OF ALL THE OTHER PREDATORS.

      But fortunately for NATALEE, YOU SHALL NOT DECIDE THE FATE OF HER TRUTH OR THE PAREMETERS WITHIN WHICH HER GOOD NAME AND HONOR, HER RIGHT TO JUSTICE AND HER TRUTH SHALL BE DISCUSSED!

      IT WILL FIND IT’S OWN PATH INTO THE LIGHT OF DAY, INSPITE OF THE VENEMOUS, EVIL, INFLICTED UPON NATALEE, AND UPON HER FAMILY.

      But please, don’t let us hold you up on your reading.
      Afterall, for YOU – this is just an “OLD CASE”.

      RISE UP, SWEET NATALEE, OVER THE CORRUPT, HEARTLESS CRUELTY THAT TRIED TO CONTAIN YOUR SPIRIT AND YOUR TRUTH!

      RISE UP, LITTLE CHILD, AND RAISE YOUR VOICE FOR JUSTICE!
      FOR WE ARE STANDING RIGHT THERE BESIDE YOU, AND WILL HONOR YOUR RIGHT TO BE SET FREE!

    93. Derek on July 11th, 2007 9:52 pm

      85: Cause I can discuss topics on this main site, as long as the site let’s me.

      87. Out of some curiousty, who are you refering that comment to? Not blaming you or anything.

      88. Missing children is one of the most important issues in the world, yes.

      Reporting on just the cases, and not on the whole concept on how to keep our children safe, that’s not a issue.

      And really, there hasn’t been much change in how we are protecting our children from predators. Oh there’s been a few steps here and there, now the Adam Walsh Law, isn’t doing that much as John wants it to. So this case, has not helped the problem. Not even drug’s at parties and clubs, like what most likely started this whole crime, have seen a change. Just last week on AMW I believe, some moron slips a 14 year-old a drink, and {I can’t really remember the rest, I’ll check the AMW site later.}

      And the fact that these families have no clues and don’t know where to begin, should stop the cases from being stories why?

      It doesn’t make the case any less then it is. But in Mid-Late 2005, did it need to be blasted across every single mainstream news network in the U.S., no.

      You can overcover a case, because these stories are hardly news. In the beginning of case, which is where the media made the most idiotic move, by giving this case nonstop coverage, this didn’t really effect American’s. It may now to some extent, but there wasn’t any real need to report on this case at all in the beginning. Sorry, but that’s the truth.

      Now what would be a better option, is for each mainstream media network to cover a few different cases, 2 to 3 times a week. More voices being heard, and information not just to reward donations, but to search times, dates, and locations. Cause even now when a case is reported in America, there’s no real sense of urgenicy to watch it, cause while it’s hell to the families and friends, it doesn’t give anything on what you can do, that would help solve the case anyway.

      Now what we should be reporting on, is actually giving lessons onto how you can keep your kids and families safe. Predators of all kinds, abusive husbands, street crimes, self-defense. But hardly anything like that has been done recently.

      And I can still comment on these topics, as long as the site will let me. You can be as angry to me as you want, it’s not going to effect me, and there’s no real point.

    94. Brie on July 11th, 2007 10:04 pm

      How many times have we heard…Natalee got in the car….yes she did…but why? It’s reached a point…..SO WHAT…SO WHAT..SO WHAT…SO WHAT…if she got into the car…it is not her fault..under what pretenses did she get into car…Deepak was parked in the back of C&C’S….and left to go outside because he said he had a headache, while Joran and Natalee were still in the bar…time to make cell calls..Natalee said the music was too loud in the car…(some headache Deepak) then they put a porno tape in and Natalee reacted, probably scared too death…there were 2 cells calls made from her phone.

      This wasn’t as if Natalee hadn’t seen or even met Joran before. He also hung around the pool at the Holiday Inn as if he were a guest…why? The pool is for those that are staying at the hotel as paying guests. Joran is always somewhere, where he’s not suppose to be. And mom and dad could care less.

    95. Rob on July 11th, 2007 10:05 pm

      Derek – you just don’t get it and it’s not our job to ‘educate’ you.

      I’m afraid you have issues that a missing persons website is not equipped to deal with or solve. Your thinking pattern is alarming and strikingly naive.

      Derek, that have been many before you and there will be many after you… you don’t impress any of us.

      I suggest you get some new batteries for your game boy and entertain yourself in another fashion.

    96. Derek on July 11th, 2007 10:15 pm

      90. It’s important to the families and friends, but that’s really it. Now how Aruba is a shithole, how we can prevent future tradgies like this all around the wrold, yeah that would be actual news.

      Just because I don’t stand up for one girl, doesn’t mean I can’t stand up for anything. That’s not a requirement to being a good person. You can feel sorry for the family, and respect what they’re going through, and that’s excellent.

      It’s not MY nightmare, it will be for the ones responsible for this crime. And yes I am all for you trying to get justice for Natalee, just not through the media.

      92- {Numbers will match paragraphs/sentences}

      1. Yes

      2. It’s not old, I never said that. In fact it’s still open as hell.

      3. No

      5. Yes

      6. Nothing troubles me that you are doing. And yes, the media and us all should be doing some coverage on the hell of Aruba.

      7. It’s not you, it’s the media. And you don’t have to avoid discussion about Holloway either.

      9. I feel quite good thank you.

      10. The media isn’t reporting on the hell of Aruba, just this case. You are, which I like.

      11. You don’t have to cleanse you conscience by seeking justice for one missing person.

      12. I’m not trying to.

      13. I’m not determining her rights to a proper burial. Where do you get that idea. And because it hardly is. Aruba is the issue that effects us, not the case.

      14. Just because most of the people who discuss this, agree with you, doesn’t make you that more powerful either. {Not blaming the people who discuss on this site}

      15. None of us, decides what the most important issues will be. I’m the same as you, since we both have seperate opinions on this topic, while we both want justice for Natalee and her family.

      16. {Read 15.}

      17. No

      18. Yes, cause they are bitches that deserve to be nuked.

      19. {Read 18.}

      20. This child as value, her suffering has meaning and purpose. It just doesn’t need to be reported in the media. So me and Paulus have nothing in common, except that we are both men, nothing.

      21. Media- Will screw the other chances, of the majority of other missing person victims of being discussed. And I have no position in that, you are right. And I don’t wan’t to, for then I will be ruled by a media dictator who wants to make billions of dollars.

      22. Good thing to.

      23. I said before, not a old case.

      24. Yes

      25.

    97. MIss-Underestimated on July 11th, 2007 10:30 pm

      Natalee got into a car under false pretenses, she was drugged and sporter told her he way staying at the HI too.
      He said he was a student visiting from Holland.

      The two teekie bros represented themselves at taxi cab drivers.

      The cheerleaders for Aruba, face it you team is losing.
      I see another lonely day at the Aruba beaches.

      Oh but there was a guy looking in the trash cans, I think he was looking for Anita’s camera.

    98. companzi on July 11th, 2007 10:40 pm

      The theme that seems to be running here is that there is a demand for an Uprising from the Arubans against their duly elected Aruban government.

      Well that aint going to happen, look at Iraq and Saddam, no one rose up, the population did not and the Militairy did not. This is the same mental thinking that some want to apply to a case that appears hard to solve. At the minimum should the FBI not be continuing to investigate? (since not other party is to be trusted? Since we pride ourselves with superb case solving abilities I will assume that the FBI is secretly conducting an on going investigation…therefore take solice..)

      If it makes any sense, another missing case of Jennifer Kesse has raised ZERO protest from Orlandoans, (a popular tourist resort as well…again FBI is probably doing more work…errr..Month 17).

      So given the fact that a hopeful riot or uprising WILL NOT occur for the NH case, what else do you suggest? (or for that matter a Holland Uprising) Also if an overthrow did occur what garantee is there that the rogue govt will put NH case as priority?

    99. Pearl on July 11th, 2007 10:40 pm

      Derek, why do you suppose that JORAN couldn’t explain what Natalee’s eyes looked like when he looked at her for the last time?

      Where do you think Joran’s confession went, Derek?
      Who do you think removed the confession from his file?

      How much did Natalee suffer, Derek, how much pain did she feel? Have you thought about that yet, Derek?
      How long did she cry to be set free?

      Why couldn’t Joran look into her eyes, Derek?
      Why couldn’t Joran LOOK AT HER?

      ARUBA AFFECTS YOU, NOT THE CASE?

      I DON”T THINK SO!

      This entire blog dedicates so much information to HER CASE, Derek, NOT to Aruba.
      So clearly, you are here because of THE CASE, and NOT because you care a bit about Aruba.
      Because – Derek, if you cared about ARUBA, you’d be insisting that Paulus and Joran go have a little chat with the FBI, of whom Paulus is terribly AFRAID, isn’t he, Derek?

      You aren’t very good at spinning, are you Derek?
      What’s the matter?
      You don’t want the MEDIA involved in NAMING THE TERRIBLE SUFFERING THAT WAS INFLICTED UPON HER, SO ALL THE WORLD CAN SEE WHAT SHE SUFFERED?

      YOU DON”T WANT ALL THE YOUNG GIRLS OUT THERE TO FIND OUT ABOUT WHAT LURKS IN ARUBA, BEHIND THE NOTION OF “HAPPY”?

      If her suffering and pain is to have purpose and meaning, what shall that purpose and meaning be, Derek, if NOT TO SAVE ALL THE OTHER YOUNG GIRLS OUT THERE WHO COULD BECOME THE NEXT VICTIMS OF PAULUS AND JORAN?

      ISN”T SAVING OUR CHILDREN, ONE OF THE GOALS, DEREK?
      And YOU DON”T WANT THE MEDIA INVOLVED?

      Derek! The media can be such an effective advocacy group for TRUTH and JUSTICE, and afterall, isn’t that what YOU WANT FOR NATALEE and her family, Derek?

      Sounds like you don’t trust the media, Derek.
      There are lots of good honorable journalists out there.
      Do you think that DeVries might be a good journalist, Derek?

      He seemed interested in pursuing the truth to me.
      Didn’t you like him, Derek?

    100. Pearl on July 11th, 2007 10:48 pm

      Miss U, I agree with you! And you named it!

      Those who are spinning that Natalee “WANTED” to go with the predators, are of the SAME GROUP that was SPINNING TO THE PRESS: “THEY ARE FRIENDS” ( referencing Joran and Natalee), as well as “SHE WANTED TO GO WITH THEM.” ( LIES TOLD BY THE SAME THUGS WHO …WELL, LIED, LIED, LIED AND NEVER SPOKE A SHRED OF TRUTH, BUT…WE’RE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE THEM ON THE “SHE WANTED TO GO WITH US” LIE AS WELL AS THE ‘WE DROPPED HER OFF RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE LOBBY ENTRANCE ” LIE!

      Miss U, when thug predators REMOVE a person’s ability to THINK, TO PROTECT THEMSELVES, TO TAKE ACTION TO DEFEND THEMSELVES, they ultimately render THE VICTIM, COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY HELPLESS.

      SUCH IS THE CASE WITH THESE MONSTERS.

      NO CORPSE NO CASE WAS ABOUT NO DNA, NO FORENSICS, NO DRUG TESTS, NO EVIDENCE LEADING BACK TO WHERE ALL PATHS LEAD: SLOOT TERRITORY.

      As MD has repeatedly told everyone: this is not complicated, not rocket science, not “too difficult to solve”.

      And as Susan, or Lorainne said: THEY NEVER WANTED TO SOLVE THIS CASE, and THIS is why Natalee remains SUBJECTED TO THE BARBARIC “NO CORPSE, NO CASE, CONTAINMENT WITH THE DEAD” SENTENCE, that Karin Jannsen, Dennis Jacobs, Jan Van der Straaten, and Gerold DOmpig – amongst many others, ALLOWED to be INFLICTED UPON THIS INNOCENT CHILD.

      GET A HORSE, JANSSEN, BECAUSE COWBOYS WOULD HAVE PUT YOUR UNCONSCIENABLE CONDUCT TO SHAME, WHERE IT BELONGS!

    101. Brie on July 11th, 2007 11:06 pm

      Joran…and he lies….and he lies….and he lies!

      Paulus…I don’t know…I can’t remember…I can’t recall!

      …………………….PATHETIC………………………..

      …………………….CRIMINALS……………………….

    102. MIss-Underestimated on July 11th, 2007 11:07 pm

      Pearl, yes to all you posted and lets not forget
      “HEAVY BATTERY” as the elusive Mr. Jannsen stated.

      What evidence did she have that prompted those charges?

      Also do you remember when she was on TV leaving Aruba with the duct tape with hair to take to Holland for testing? She was looking all shifty eyed, spinning her head around, like someone was going to check her bag.

      I wonder how much evidence made it’s way to Holland?
      Like I said the only truth out of the VDS camp was from Joey Tallcapina saying that the evidence was GONE. HOW’D HE KNOW THAT?

      Aruba has proved time and time again, what they say cannot be trusted.

      Why would Anita ask why a girl would get in the car with her son? Why would she think a girl would not be safe with her MODEL son?

    103. Achilles on July 11th, 2007 11:10 pm

      There is enough hot air blowing from the aruban goverment to knock over the Jolly Roger lmao!

    104. Derek on July 11th, 2007 11:14 pm

      99. {1-4} A combination of the government, and Joran being the usual……total assholes.

      7. This whole boat issue, not involving the case, but Aruba.

      Delayed flights in Aruba, not involving the case, but Aruba.

      Ummm those are topics on this site. So I came here, saw THIS topic about Aruba, and checked it out. {It proceeded from there}

      8. I would love for the media to report on that, rather than the updates for the case, which will do nothing.

      9. I would love for the media to report on that.

      10. I just said what you said in my last post about the pain and suffering having purpose.

      11. And reporting on random cases helps the problem how? Instead report on how Aruba is a shithole, report on how to actually keep kids and family safe, and the like. Which is what you really want.

      12. Currently it’s not a advocacy group. Rather it’s just reporting on cases and hardly anything else. Now that would be a very decent step in solving most of these issues.

      13. There are good journalists, their just forced to report on stories that don’t matter by their bosses. I’ve forgotten who DeVries is, but if he is another utter asshole, then no he would not be a good journalist.

    105. Brie on July 11th, 2007 11:29 pm

      Can you only imagine what it’s like living in the Sloot household! Neighbors pointing fingers and whispering, peeking out behind the blinds, phoning each other when they see something, watching their every moves like a hawk! Hoping for the For Sale sign!

      And the younger boys, what do they think and say about their older brother, the one who so kindly beats them up!

    106. gutfeeling on July 11th, 2007 11:54 pm

      #104 Derek
      I found this site June 3 or 4, through a quick google search at my desk at work thinking that there must be more information on this case that what appeared in MSM. There were no reports of checking out the boys to make sure that they were not connected to the security guards, no searches of the house to make sure that Joran wasn’t hiding the American girl in the family pantry. Or how about checking the car for dna evidence. And now, I know that the reason there were no reports of this in MSM is that… it wasn’t being done. If I had these thoughts June 3, then someone in LE did too. If it was not done, it could only be because someone in LE did not want to investigate PJ2K.

      Now this brings me to why I still look here more than 2 years later. I admit that I hope to find that something is being done to bring justice, or that hope against hope there is a search that will return this childs body to her family. But also I am curious about the level of general corruption that must exist in a country for this to happen.

    107. mayan_moons on July 12th, 2007 12:03 am

      post #98 In the early days of Natalee being kidnapped we did hope that if for no other reason Aruban’s would march to the square & let the goverment know that they want the ones responsible for this in jail so their jobs wouldn’t be on the line all for a few thugs. It didn’t happen and thats to bad. Speaking for myself i’m not expecting Aruban’s to rise up & haven’t for a long time. For whatever reasons they chose to protect these bums & waving bye bye to their economy and that is Aruba’s choice. Now live with it and quit your crying.

    108. Brie on July 12th, 2007 12:11 am

      IGNORE THE TROLL…he’s a paid trouble-maker…HE HAS ISSUE’S THAT DO NOT BELONG ON THIS SITE!

    109. mayan_moons on July 12th, 2007 12:12 am

      lol Achilles…..so true!

    110. mayan_moons on July 12th, 2007 12:42 am

      The Sloot’s are a freak show Brie, you know darn right everybody’s got their eye on them for every move they make. Not to mention the ones Aruba doesn’t know is watching them….closer than ever!~

    111. yoyo muffintop on July 12th, 2007 12:52 am

      #94 Brie – 2 cell phone calls? That’s 100% not true.
      5/23/06: Twitty recalled rushing to Aruba after she learned her daughter was missing and finding her daughter’s neatly packed suitcase, passport and cell phone in her hotel room. Her daughter, she said, had no doubt left her phone because it wasn’t set up for international calls, a mistake Twitty now advises others not to repeat.
      “What if Natalee could have called one of her friends or me ?” she asked.

      Where did you get the “2 cell calls made from her phone” info? That is a lie you are telling…unless you don’t believe Beth Twitty.

    112. Carpe Noctem on July 12th, 2007 1:05 am

      71: Brendon did not say that Natalee knew in advance that our three utter bitches that deserve to be nuked, who rape her. So both Carpe and Brendon should look at that.

      —-

      * Neither did I… that is why I used the word IF. It was a
      hypothetical, and I was using sarcasm to drive in the
      nail.

      Yeh, I got something you can look at, alright.

    113. Brie on July 12th, 2007 1:33 am

      pancaketop…unless you don’t believe Beth Twitty…I believe every word from Beth is true….

      Who’s lying…..Joran’s the liar…and he lies…and he lies!

      2 cell calls made…where do you think I got it..go figure!

    114. yoyo muffintop on July 12th, 2007 1:43 am

      #113 – nice try…

    115. Brie on July 12th, 2007 1:43 am

      Have you ever noticed why Joran has always worn that same blue plaid shirt…I’m sure he has others…when suspects are being sought their clothing is always described…maybe someone could recognize another one of his shirts and relate it to something they saw.

    116. Carpe Noctem on July 12th, 2007 1:47 am

      #79

      Hey thanks, Pearl.

      …and back atcha. Nobody says
      it more eloquently than you!

      -j4n

    117. Brie on July 12th, 2007 1:52 am

      #114…Joran, in the background…are you calling your mom?

    118. Brie on July 12th, 2007 2:28 am

      ………………..JORAN’S SHRINK ANALYSIS……………….

      Raised with a sense of entitlement and power. His father may lack moral values and if so transmitted this abscense to his son. He most likely hasn’t achieved anything because he has been granted rewards without effort. He needed accomplices to his criminal behavior as a way to pass blame for his actions. He lacks empathy to others, they are there for his use.

    119. yoyo muffintop on July 12th, 2007 2:31 am

      speaking of phone calls – Beth Twitty reveals Natalee left a message on her cell in 10/05. I thought PJ2K killed her May/June? Would love to hear it:

      Dr Phil Show 11/05
      One of the reasons Beth holds out hope that Natalee is alive is that she recently received a cryptic phone message on her cell phone and believes she heard Natalee’s voice. “Now, I’ve listened to the call,” says Dr. Phil. “I’ve also had it analyzed by a forensic audio specialist. Now, he found two distinct voices on the cell. Beth has asked us not to play the call. And frankly, I want to respect her wishes, and I agree that we shouldn’t play that right now. I don’t want to give anything away that could put anybody in jeopardy, if it is in fact her. Tell us what you heard on the phone call.”
      “It just had some very little key elements in it. The first thing that I hear on the voice mail is – it almost sounds as if it’s a foreigner, and they say, ‘Yeah.’ And then you hear, it’s almost like a clank, like they’re shifting the phone. And then there’s music playing in the background, and then I hear what to me is a very subdued – a vocal utterance from Natalee. And Dr. Phil, you know, I’ve never told anyone this. I’ve never disclosed this to anyone, and I’m really pretty level-headed. But I’m a pediatric speech pathologist, and I’ve done this for 22 years. That’s how I’ve made my career is listening to vocal utterances. This was my trained profession of hearing the utterance on this voice mail thinking that it was her.”

      And this call came in when?” asks Dr. Phil.

      “October the third at 6:50 p.m.,” she replies.

      “OK, so that’s about five weeks ago,” he deduces. “OK, and our analyst said, you know, ‘Forget about what they talk about on television, and CSI and that sort of thing. The only person that’s ever going to be able to tell if that’s Natalee is her mother.’”

    120. Richard on July 12th, 2007 6:06 am

      Somehow or other certain persons are trying to spread the idea that this site is gleefully rubbing its hands at the news of this boat accident. The assertion is absurd.

      The whole point of it is … one thing after another has happened in Aruba that suggests to tourists, or that ought to suggest to them, that it is not the place to visit.

      As I understand matters, that’s the purpose of this thread.
      Correct me if I’m wrong. The boat is just another example.

      Someone raised the case of Jennifer Keese and implied a parallel to Natalee. This is so stupid that a second-grader wouldn’t waste his time on it. The whole issue at hand is the cover-up in Aruba … the cover-up in Natalee’s disappearance in general and the cover-up that has caused the deletion of information about previous crimes.

      I’m not going to dig out the handouts from the Boston protest listing various assaults on American tourists and Aruba’s refusal to do anything about them or to allow them to be publicized. Just one case will suffice here: the woman who was nearly kidnapped from the Fishermen’s Huts area, some two weeks before Natalee went missing.

      As far as I know, the Aruban police have still done nothing in this crime other than to circulate a poster. That was not done for months after the assault, as I recall. I mean, how many people are there on Aruba? (A lot fewer, judging by the success of the boycott.) And still nobody has been located.

      I still believe it possible that Natalee was taken off Aruba alive … which doesn’t prove that she remains alive, but it is possible, as we know from the Amy Bradley case.
      I won’t re-argue this here and now, but the response from Aruba from DAY ONE of Natalee’s disappearance has been so inept that it’s clear nothing is beyond belief there.

      Do yourself a favor, folks … don’t even consider going to Aruba. Be good to fellow Americans … be good to yourself.

      Benjamin Franklin said: “A word to the wise is sufficient.”
      You’d have to be pretty stupid not to look at Aruba’s response to Natalee’s case and not to realize that something could happen to you and your family (like the Americans drugged in the casino, and the wife taken off to the desert and raped) … and NOBODY WOULD CARE.

      Except those who rob you, or worse.

      “No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba.”

    121. Richard on July 12th, 2007 6:07 am

      And as was said above … the issue is not why Natalee got in the car, and whether she was drugged or not (which I think is very likely, but isn’t the issue).

      The issue is, WHAT HAPPENED TO NATALEE HOLLOWAY?

    122. Richard on July 12th, 2007 7:55 am

      There’s a horrible story today from South Africa … at least two women have testified that they were kidnapped and held in a room with other women. It says that they were raped and injected with drugs, with one of them saying she was told specifically that the object was to prepare them for forced prostitution.

      One of the women is recovering from an addiction to heroin, which may influence the reliability of her story.

      The gang of Nigerians said to be responsible for this atrocity was said to be also involved in drugs and other crimes.

      All that I can say is … thank God that this can’t happen to an American citizen. Especially one who disappears in a foreign country.

      We do know, of course, that it can’t happen to an American.

      http://www.rekord.co.za/story.aspx?lan=Afr&sid=17443

      At least two women have come forward to tell horrific stories of how they were repeatedly raped after being abducted and tied to beds.
      Both say Nigerian immigrants injected them with a paralysing drug, kidnapped them and locked them in rooms with other girls.
      “There were nine girls of all races with me in the room and some were as young as 8-years-old. About six men took turns to come into the room, inject us with heroin and rape us.
      “We were naked and they kept our feet and hands tied to the beds,” says Lisa van der Westhuizen (27).
      Lisa says she was abducted at a bus stop in Braamfontein and taken to a house in Hillbrow where she was kept for four days until she managed to escape and run to a nearby police station.
      “I covered myself in a sheet I found in the house before I escaped and blood was dribbling down my legs all the way to the police station.”
      Lisa, who is recovering from heroin addiction, says her horrific ordeal played off about 18 months ago but another woman, who is reluctant to make her identity known and currently receiving treatment, was abducted in Arcadia under the same circumstances only two weeks ago.
      This woman, who is in her twenties, says she was taken to an RDP house in Soshanguve where she was also tied to a bed in a room with other girls and raped repeatedly.
      She managed to escape the same day.
      Both girls say it is clear their abductors are involved in drug and other crime syndicates as “deals with clients were done in the house” while they were there.
      “Although they kept me drugged all the time, I knew exactly what was going on. I could hear and see everything,” says Lisa.
      “All the men who raped me were Nigerians and they said they were doing this to break us in for prostitution.
      “I am convinced that the girls who were tied up with me are some of the missing girls the police are looking for.”
      Former police inspector, Owen Musiker, who is working with the Hatfield Cid in the rehabilitation of prostitutes and street children, warns that children who run away from home are easy targets.
      “These men know that children and prostitutes think they do not have the right to report these abductions to the police and it therefore becomes difficult to investigate,” says Owen.
      Owen is currently investigating the abduction of a woman in Arcadia two weeks ago and encourages anyone with information on this and other abductions to phone him confidentially on 082-442-4000.

    123. Richard on July 12th, 2007 8:14 am

      Sorry to come back yet again … but I just realized how asinine something I said in the post above might sound.

      It was, in relation to the horrible story related by the two South African women: “thank God that this can’t happen to an American citizen.” That remark might leave the impression that such a horror isn’t important if it happened to anyone else.

      I hope nobody will interpret it that way. Obviously any sex crime against anyone is an outrage deserving of punishment.

      I was trying to be sarcastic, because those who have read my blather know I think it’s possible that Natalee was taken off Aruba by those who planned to use her in this way.

      My point was that some people will read the story I posted and think it happens only to others. It doesn’t.

      But I apologize to anyone who might have thought that I meant nationality supersedes universal human rights.

    124. Pearl on July 12th, 2007 8:16 am

      Brie, you are a character and a blessing!

    125. Miss-Underestimated on July 12th, 2007 8:27 am

      Mayan,

      You got it about the freak show and all the liars providing the alibi’s and the press in Aruba, and the ALE are part of the larger circus.

      Hey Aruba, I wonder how many of your undocumented workers/visitors to your island have as Arlene stated “just vanished”?

      Do you think any of the currency from the US marked with
      “Justice for Natalee Holloway, Boycott Aruba” has made it’s way to Aruba?

      More empty beaches today in Aruba.

    126. Pearl on July 12th, 2007 8:55 am

      Hey, yoyo.

      You want to know WHY Beth who was told by FBI officials on June 10, that her daughter was dead, could be speaking about the possibility of Natalee being alive in October?

      THERE LIES THE DEPRAVITY OF PAULUS, AND HIS KIND, Yoyo.

      The cruelty they inflicted upon Beth goes beyond that of TORTURE, and indeed would meet legal definitions of the most malicious cruelty and suffering that these criminals intented to inflict upon Beth and her family, after they were already so brutally traumatized.

      What kind of uncivilized barbaric monsters live in Aruba, no less – are given a get out of jail free card and in fact, SANCTIONED for their DEPRAVITY?

      WHAT KIND OF A GOD-FORSAKEN PLACE CONDONES SUCH BARBARIC CRUELTY, YOYO?
      The answer is easy: ARUBA DOES.

      Tell me yoyo, since you want to entertain this mother’s sorrow that put her in a position of having to face national scrutiny after being told her baby was MURDERED, and then – receiving yet another barbaric phone call, following the harrowing experience of learning her baby was slaughtered, could you explain for us HOW anyone could PARTICIPATE in such SAVAGERY as to PHONE a call into a mother so beaten and so broken with pain over losing her child, in order to NOW SUGGEST TO THAT MOTHER, AND THE FBI AND THE WORLD, I’M SURE, THAT NATALEE – was NOW, SOMEHOW, NOT MURDERED, but alive?

      That’s right up there with the PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED CONFESSION, WITH “SUSPECTS” ( JORAN)_ LEADING POLIS TO THE SCENE OF THE BURIAL, AND THE INFAMOUS, INSIDIOUS “RETRACTION OF THE CONFESSION”…all surrounding WHO GETTING SHIFTED OUT AND WHO GETTING SHIFTED BACK INTO THE ALE? ( But THAT goes back to NELSON,and his contemptable conduct at an international conference, while little Natalee was getting BUTCHERED IN ARUBA.) Yes, those changes took place after NELSON RETURNED, DIDN”T THEY, YOYO?

      You tell us, yoyo – as you are the one dealing with the WRITERS OF LETTERS THAT GET SENT TO NONE OTHER THAN THE PANACEA OF PUTRID, PAULUS, so that an already savagely brutalized family can have MORE TORMENT inflicted upon them with the notion, that “maybe” she’s alive, you tell us WHAT THE PURPOSE OF OF PUTTING BETH THROUGH THAT SAVAGERY? And WHOSE PURPOSE WOULD THAT SERVE YOYO?
      You tell us, since you want to go down this path!

      Tell us: WHY WAS PAULUS RECEIVING “LETTERS” SENT FROM THE USA, TO PAULUS, BY THE SICK MINDS OF INDIVIDUALS WHOSE INTENTIONS WERE TO “CLEAR” PAULUS FROM ANY SUSPICIONS, AS WELL AS HIS SON, AFTER ALL THE LIES THEY TOLD TO POLIS CONCERNING WHAT THEY DID TO NATLAEE AND WHERE THEY PUT HER?

      But you want to suggest that somehow there is some “conflict” between BETH being TOLD her baby is DEAD, and Beth then receiving the phone call MADE TO HER, in order to perpetrate more TORMENT, while MEN WITH NO CONSCIENCE actually entertain that THIS RECENT ACT OF SADISTIC TORMENT, WOULD SOMEHOW REMOVE THEIR CORRUPT SOULS AND STATEMENTS FROM SUSPICION OF WHAT EVEN KARIN JANSSEN KNEW THEY DID!

      Better yet, Yoyo, why did Joran Confess in JUNE, and then PAULUS claim he got a letter from Natalee, FOLLOWING HIS SON’S CONFESSION? I guess Joran didn’t know that his NO CORPSE, NO CASE, “CONTAINMENT WITH THE DEAD” FATHER, WAS GOING TO ARRANGE FOR A LETTER TO ARRIVE LATER ON.

      In fact, yoyo, WHY did Paulus tell Beth that JORAN couldn’t possibly have been with Natalee at the casino, when HE HIMSELF WAS SITTING RIGHT THERE WITH NATALEE AS WELL?

      Maybe THAT IS WHY PAULUS NEEDED FOR A “LETTER FROM NATALEE” TO ARRIVE.

      And come to think of it, Yoyo, HOW IS IT THAT PAULUS WAS CHARGED WITH “CONTAINMENT WITH THE DEAD” when Karin was claiming there was no “CORPSE” found?

      HOW WAS GUIDO CHARGED WITH HEAVY BATTERY?

      And you want us to believe the peversions and infected lies of PAULUS AND JORAN!!!!

      Yoyo, NO ONE BELIEVES JORAN OR PAULUS.
      No one.

      Not even YOU, though you try to make the sell.

      Have you ever watched Joseph T, yoyo when he’s saying something that even HE DOESN”T BELIEVE?

      He thinks he has a poker face.
      But, the truth is – he doesn’t.
      YOU CAN SEE WHEN HE IS SAYING SOMETHING THAT HE KNOWS IN HIS HEART IS NOT TRUE.
      It shows up on his face.

      And you see, that gets back to WHY would you choose the path to depravity, when you could be so much more than WHO you will turn into, if you continue to dine with devils.
      Be what you were meant to be yoyo, not what you are becoming!

      These depraved criminals have no boundaries to the evil they are capable of yoyo.

      How is it that you cannot see that?
      And THAT is what you bring into your home each day that you spend with their perversions and cruelty.
      It seeps into your home, because YOU CHOOSE TO BRING IT THERE.

      Your family deserves better than that.
      For them: DO THE RIGHT THING, if you cannot find it in your heart to feel a sense of compassion for Natalee, or for what Beth and Dave have suffered at the hands of these cruel, heartless monsters!

      Choose to be part of something life-giving, yoyo.

      And don’t ask such ridiculously absurd questions that only make you appear foolish.

      TELL THEM TO SET HER FREE, YOYO.

      END THIS CRUELTY, YOYO, BY DOING SOMETHING GOOD.

    127. Richard on July 12th, 2007 12:58 pm

      Pearl, I hope you don’t include me in the ranks of those who would torment the family by suggesting that Natalee could still be alive. (As for the van der Sloots, nothing is too low for those scum, but that’s a different matter.)

      I have made the argument in the presence of the family.

      Again, my research into the Caribbean and human trafficking there, begun some five years ago when I became associated with the Amy Bradley case, has given me some reasons to think that this could be the case. (And no, I don’t have any ‘inside information.’)

      I might well be wrong, and most people think so. But go back and read the story I posted in #122. Before I began this research, I would never have believed such a tale.

      I do now, though some details might not be the case.

      The cover-up on Aruba, to me, seems too extensive to dismiss the idea. But my goal is not to add to the torment the family is going through. Rather, what matters most is the truth … and what can be done about it, if this scenario is indeed on target, which it may not be.

      Let’s hope we find out.

    128. Pearl on July 12th, 2007 1:39 pm

      No, Richard…127.

      The depravity is expressed by the devils who would TORMENT a grieving and traumatized father and mother of a kidnapped child, as these thugs did, with LETTERS, PHONE CALLS, and – let’s not forget AWAKENING HER IN THE NIGHT TO ADVISE HER OF “NATALEE SIGHTINGS”.

      Richard, do you know that such practices are used to torture people as a form of punishment in prison camps in an attempt to break down the prisoner?

      The strategy is to completely shake up a prisoner, and strip him/her of all ability to function, so that they are BROKEN not only emotionally, but mentally as well.

      THIS IS WHAT THOSE MONSTERS DID TO BETH AND HER FAMILY, awakening them in the night ( ASK YOURSELF WHEN THAT LITTLE PRACTICE BEGAN)…while claiming that they were only trying to “help” her find Natalee.

      Imagine for a moment the depravity of a mind that knew the FBI had informed Beth and Dave of Natalee’s death, only to THEN follow this up with: LETTERS claimed by none other than Mr. Containment with the dead, to have come from Natlaee where – amongst other things, WHAT GETS INCLUDED?

      Oh, that’s right: ASSAULTS ON NATALEE’S STEP FATHER FROM THE MOST DEPRAVED, SICK TWISTED MINDS FROM PREDATORY CAMPS IN ARUBA.

      No, Richard. You were not in my thoughts concerning the depravity of monsters would would torment Beth and Dave with new notions of Natalee being alive amidst FBI reports she was dead, so that Paulus and his gang could create (or so they thought) the illusion of “reasonable doubt”, nor were your writings, concerning why you believe Natalee to have survived the DITCH PREDATORS GANG.

      They are the most savage bunch of monsters that horror film writers could conjure up in their imaginations – NO LESS FOR US TO LEARN, THAT SUCH PREDATORS NOT ONLY EXIST, RICHARD, BUT ARE PROFITTING FROM THE TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE THEY INFLICTED UPON NATALEE AND HER FAMILY, AND ENJOYING FULL BENEFITS OF FREEDOM TO THE EXCLUSION OF THE VICTIM, NATALEE – WHO REMAINS SUBJECTED TO MR. “CONTAINMENT WITH THE DEAD’S” – “NO CORPSE, NO CASE” SOLUTIONS FOR HER.

      These are the most heinous of human rights violations against a tourist to a so-called “friendly” territory, and reveal a sickening depravity and lack of value for human life, as the animals who ended all Natalee’s hopes and dreams of her future, continue to prance about on the beaches, while the Twitty-Holloway families continue to suffer in the agony of NOT KNOWING WHERE NATALEE IS, NOR WHAT WAS DONE TO HER, while resolutions specifically addressing such disgraceful and deplorable treatment of VICTIMS and their families were being discussed RIGHT THERE WHERE NELSON WAS, ALL THE WHILE THAT NATALEE’S FAMILY WAS BEING TORTURED IN ARUBA! So much for Nelson’s attendance at international conferences and the worth of his word concerning: “NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.”

      They can’t even bury her, for God’s sakes, and you would think that even THAT MUCH would motivate the KPLD to behave with some integrity and HONOR this child’s HUMAN RIGHT to be returned home to her loving family.

      THEY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO HER.

      AND THEY KEPT THIS BEAUTIFUL FAMILY IN THE DARK, DENYING THEM INFORMATION CONCERNING THEIR CHILD, LEAVING THEM TO BE TORMENTED UNDER SUCH VILE CIRCUMSTANCES!

      Interesting point, Richard is that Mr. Oduber was in attendance at conferences RIGHT AT THIS TIME, while the depravity of HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS inflicted upon Natalee were unfolding out in the OPEN in ARUBA, specifically, a conference, whereby all sorts of human rights violations were the topic of discussion for which RESOLUTIONS were being drawn up … such as, resolutions for: VICTIMS OF HUMAN TRAFFIKING, VICTIMS OF RACISM, VICTIMS OF FORCED DISAPPEARANCE… ALL THE DEPRAVITY THAT THE TWIITY-HOLLOWAY-JONES-JOHN FAMILIES WERE FACING RIGHT THERE IN ARUBA!!!!!

      But, it seems that Mr. Oduber then, returned to Aruba, and WHAT WERE HIS FIRST WORDS SPOKEN, RICHARD?
      DO YOU REMEMBER THAT FAMOUS FRIDAY NIGHT SPEECH, RICHARD?

      Were ODUBER’S WORDS about insisiting that NATALEE’S HUMAN RIGHTS BE PROTECTED?

      NO!

      Oduber’s first words spoken were about WHAT A TERRIBLE IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE ON ARUBA IF SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED TO NATALEE.

      And mind you, Richard – THIS was AFTER he had already sent word about the GREAT PROGRESS his team of KPA were making on “FINDING NATALEE”, via the contemptable, racist FRAMING of Mickey JOhn and Abraham Jones, while Karin Janssen was busy with letters to the Sec. of State, insisting BETH – of all people, become the TARGET OF INVESTIGATION for HITLAR REFERENCES CREATED BY NONE OTHER THAN THE “NO CORPSE, NO CASE” band of “CONTAINMENT WITH THE DEAD” CRIMINALS GANG, of which Janssen was aware of as HOLDING MEETINGS TO PLAN LIES TO TELL BETH, DAVE, THEIR FAMILY, AND THE ARUBAN POLIS!!!!

      DOES IT GET ANY MORE DISGUSTING, RICHARD?

      YES IT DOES.

      Because after ALL of this, with Nelson shaking hands with heads of state at a conference specifically looking at adherence to HUMAN RIGHTS amidst other things, Aruban polis officials then proceeded to allow the most heinous of criminal acts to be inflicted upon the already: GANG RAPED, DRUGGED, KIDNAPPED, BEATEN AND MURDERED NATALEE – only to become the victim of depravity that included: DESECRATION OF HER PRECIOUS BODY, which the likes of DOMPIG then had the audacity to enter the USA to claim: she was “buried and re-buried” and died of causes inflicted UPON HERSELF, while failing to explain HOW she ended up burying and re-burying herself amidst SO MANY LIES concerning WHERE she was dropped off, and all the other lies being created about how she could have “entered the hotel another way”, when they KNEW she was never even dropped off in the first place.

      GOD HELP THIS FAMILY AND THE FBI TRYING TO PROTECT THEIR RIGHTS. LOOK AT WHAT THEY HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH!!!

      WHAT KIND OF SAVAGERY IS THIS, FOR GOD’S SAKES?

    129. SUPER DAVE on July 12th, 2007 1:45 pm

      yoyo: do your ears turn purple like junior sloot’s do when you tell lies ? why don’t you go on Greta and let us see ?

    130. Derek on July 12th, 2007 4:38 pm

      106: {2nd Paragraph} There’s nothing wrong with that.

      108: I’m not being payed for anything.

      112: I apologize there.

      129: Joran’s ears turn purple? Never knew that.

    131. Brendon Dunn on July 12th, 2007 5:02 pm

      I do not believe J2K drugged, gangraped and killed Natalee. It would be pretty stupid to do so when at least 20 people saw you leaving with her.

      However, J is the last one to be seen in her company. And i think it is unbelievable he got away with unanswered questions and contradicting statement. I can not be true that he is free to study while obviously he still has a lot of explaining to do. It is too hard to believe the Police thinks it has to study other leads, while their main suspect is not finished declaring his actions. J and 2K made contradiction statements and the Police just left it like that. Terrible. It looks so easy what should be really done her.

    132. Lorraine on July 12th, 2007 5:28 pm

      Richard, the evidence surrounding the Amy Bradley case seems to support the scenario that she is indeed alive and in a slave-prostitution ring, somewhere in Venezuela or elsewhere in So. America. What I don’t understand, there were sightings of Amy, the sailor’s story and the more recent one when her parents received a picture resembling their child, you say you have been working in the Carribean for 5 years as I am sure many others are, as well as investigators sent by Phil McGraw, so why haven’t they found Amy,…….I know at one point they were so close….

    133. Pearl on July 12th, 2007 7:32 pm

      130, Actually Derek, there is indeed something that Joran does do with his head when he is lying.

      It’s very subtle, but noticeable.
      Perhaps it’s something common for a sociopath to do?

    134. Richard on July 12th, 2007 7:56 pm

      Pearl (#128) … thanks for the reassurance.

      Lorraine (#132) … Actually, I’ve not been in the Caribbean itself. More of an armchair theorist, researcher, supporter of the family, and (when the report of the San Francisco sighting arose) hander-out of posters.

      That sort of thing.

      I can’t begin to answer your question, but please take into account that the Caribbean is a pretty big place. I can’t find my book, but I think that the total area is about half that of the continental U.S. And slave traders are not prone to publicize their whereabouts, or let their charges go around without supervision.

      Remember Elizabeth Smart, who disappeared from her home and was spotted sometime later walking down a road. She was held a few miles from her house, yet nobody found her.

      Another thing, too … a tactic that has been used in many cases, according to my research … someone in the position of Amy (or Natalee, perhaps), who had been taken captive, plucked from the world she knew in an instant, would naturally be terrified and vulnerable to coercion.

      (By the way, I understand from Dave Holloway that Natalee is fluent in Spanish. That might help her cope.)

      The Bradleys have told me that they think if Amy were given a threat such as: “Do what you’re told, or we’ll kill you AND your family” that she would obey to protect them. There’s reason to believe that they have been spied on.

      Finally, it’s possible that Amy (and perhaps Natalee, if she’s still alive and captive) might have had a baby. That would be an immediate potential hostage.

    135. yoyo muffintop on July 12th, 2007 10:04 pm

      Pearl – Thought I’d help ya out. I ran your posts by a psychiatrist today since they are sooo bizarre. Her suggestion – you need to see one immediately.

    136. mayan_moons on July 12th, 2007 11:31 pm

      Go To Hell yoyo!~

    137. Pearl on July 13th, 2007 12:42 am

      Hey, yoyo…

      That shrink you were on the bench with…

      Was it the same one you paid for that “Joran is a good boy and an honor’s student” profile?

      I keep thinking you were meant to be more than this yoyo.

      Gosh oh gee! Did I say something to upset you for you to be on the attack? Something’s got you all ruffled and riled up, yoyo?

      It wasn’t me suggesting that JQK was cute, was it?
      Is that what sent you over the top?
      Or, was it that I spoke of his ability to command respect and honor to his name?
      Why would that bother you, yoyo?

      Are you upset that I suggested you were capable of more?
      Is that what’s gotten you so worked up?

      Or are you upset with me about the fact that when Mr. Tacopina is on television, I think you can really see it in his face, when he is saying something that he really doesn’t believe – himself.
      If you don’t believe me on that, WATCH HIM THE NEXT TIME HE IS ON. It’s true! Ask anyone! Haven’t you ever seen him before? Watch him the next time he has an interview.

      Yoyo: you could be so much more than this.

      As far as your poor attitude about shrinks, yoyo, you should get to know a few. They’re good people by and large, they may have to deal with a sociopath or two, but they know the difference between someone who is truly criminally insane and in need of hospitalization, and those sociopaths out there who are nothing more than predators, ticking time bombs in society, who are dangerous and a threat to the safety of everyone around them.

      Hey! One more thing, yoyo.
      I hear JQK was on tv tonight.
      Apparently his face doesn’t change one bit when he speaks.
      Integrity is a beautiful thing, yoyo!
      Try it on!
      You will look better and feel better wearing it.

      Tell your pals it’s time to set Natlaee free.
      Tell them it’s time for her to go home to her family.
      Measure the size of your heart with your ability to feel some sense of compassion for what Natalee and her beautiful family have suffered and DO THE RIGHT THING.

    138. Brie on July 13th, 2007 1:29 am

      Hey yoyo fried dough, dim-witted douche bag, get a life!

    139. Pearl on July 13th, 2007 1:53 am

      Brie, I’m not sure, but I think yoyo gets antsy when I mention JQK.

      And I thought that yoyo and I were making some progress, Brie! WOW! Did I have that wrong!

      I can’t help it that JQK commands respect and integrity and that his face doesn’t change when he speaks, any more than I can help it that Mr. Tacopina’s face DOES seems to change when he says something that appears to be something he himself doesn’t believe is true.

      I can’t control that thing he does with his face when he appears to be saying something that seems as though he himself doesn’t even believe!

      Heck! Next thing you know, yoyo will be mad at me for the thing that Joran does with his head when it truly does appear that Joran is lying to his interviewer! It’s VERY similar to what his FATHER DOES. Look at the video footage.
      I’m serious!!!

      I wonder if the sinking of the “Jolly” got to yoyo or something?

      Maybe it was just that yoyo didn’t want me telling him/her that he/she is capable of so much more, and that settling for depravity should never be included in the choices one makes.

      Goodness gracious, Brie! Whatever it was, it sure seems yoyo’s spinning out of control!!!

    140. Brie on July 13th, 2007 2:38 am

      Pearl, yep…the string is going to break on his yo yo. I think it is a guy…whoever or whichever, don’t worry about it…the yo doesn’t like anything we say, not just you, so please don’t give it another thought.. and please don’t loose any sleep over it…I think you’ve been very kind trying to deal with him/her and very patient. I detect a very defensive attitude with this person, someone who likes to upset the apple-cart. And I think that is why he/she is posting here. I don’t consider anything of value when yo is posting here. So, continue on, your posts are eloquently well spoken, as said by Carpe and I agree. And never, never, never, never give in to anything that interferes with your loyalty to Natalee.

    141. Brie on July 13th, 2007 2:43 am

      Hey yoyo….put a sock in it…as a matter of fact…a whole six pack will do!

    142. Brie on July 13th, 2007 2:58 am

      What do we do when trolls get in the way, they’ll throw stones in your pathway, step over them, they’ll set up road blocks, go around them, they’ll build bridges, go under them, they’ll crawl out from under rocks, STEP ON THEM……for they mean to cause you harm!!!

      ___________
      SM: Actually, you’re not supposed to feed the trolls ;)
      R

    143. yoyo muffintop on July 13th, 2007 4:38 am

      JQK does have a few redeeming qualities. One is he’s great for 6 degrees:
      Joran was sued by Holloway/Twittys represented by JQK
      JQK was attorney for Brown family in suit against OJ
      OJ was in Naked Gun with Leslie Nielsen
      Leslie Nielsen was in Mr. Magoo with Kelly Lynch
      Kelly Lynch was in Cocktail with Tom Cruise
      Tom Cruise was in A Few Good Men with Kevin Bacon.

      Does mr bacon have an alibi?

    144. Richard on July 13th, 2007 6:07 am

      The comment in post 135, in my opinion, is contemptible.

    145. SUPER DAVE on July 13th, 2007 8:16 am

      YOYO talks a lot of $hit but i doubt he, she, it could back it up. it’s kind hides behind a fake name and mama’s skirt. probably sleeps with mama and pees it’s pajamas. which one of the sloots are you ? or should i say suspects ?

    146. Pearl on July 13th, 2007 8:32 am

      Yoyo, why – you’re back!

      So soon, no less. I hope our illustrious hosts will allow me to confirm that I take it, as of your last post to me,
      this means we won’t be having lunch together anytime soon.

      Among the missing and the “vanished” in what only Arlene Shippers seems to think is “a mystery” …

      FOX NEWS:
      David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice told FOX News Natalee Holloway, who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body.

      NANCY GRACE:
      In the case of Joran Van Der Sloot, who remains in jail behind bars, the judge ruled that there are sufficient grounds to collect a DNA sample from him. However, there are some of what the judge described as missing documents, but not specifying what kind of documents, and that prosecutors need to get those documents into the file and then they can refile their motion.

      I wonder what the PROSECUTOR did about all those MISSING DOCUMENTS that kept LEAPING from the files on JORAN, that were SUPPOSED TO BE KEPT IN THE FILE, particularly when the “PROSECUTOR” is supposed to be presenting before a judge in order for the judge to give a ruling.

      Brie! Thank you so very much for the wise counsel.
      I’m going to try to keep that posted somewhere near, to help keep my compass pointed towards NATALEE!

      Thank you so very much, Brie!

      KPLD: if files were vanishing BEFORE you arrived, and laptops are now vanishing AFTER you arrive, who else needs to be sent in to maintain ORDER and SECURITY OF INFORMATION, in the “investigation”?

      We so very much want to believe that it was a trap, KPLD, however ….look what was taking place BEFORE you arrived…

      Aruba: the only place where FILES on CRIMINAL CONDUCT develop legs and LEAP OUT OF FILES that the PROSECUTOR IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE ON HAND TO PRESENT BEFORE A JUDGE SCHEDULED TO MAKE A RULING ON THE “SUSPECTS” BEING HELD FOR SUSPICION OF DEPRAVED CRIMINAL CONDUCT UPON A DEFENSELESS LITTLE AMERICAN CHILD!

      GET A CONSCIENCE, ARUBA.

    147. Pearl on July 13th, 2007 8:45 am

      Hi Richard! It seems that I must have struck a nerve with yoyo, Richard.

      I’m not exactly sure what it was that I said that set the yoyo off, but I think yoyo has anger management issues concerning JQK.

      The only other thing that I can think of is that I did tell yoyo that I really believe he/she could be SO MUCH MORE, and that by settling for depravity, he/she does a tremendous disservice to him/herself because he/she could be SO MUCH MORE than what he/she is becoming.

      If it’s not that, then maybe yoyo didn’t like the fact that I said that the shine alone off of JQK spells DIGNITY, CREDIBILITY, HONORABLE CONDUCT. (I didn’t use those exact words, but basically, I just said that the man clearly demonstrates INTEGRITY.) This did not go over well with the yoyo.

      The only other thing that I can think of Richard is that I did mention this thing that I think I see on Mr. Tacopina’s face whenever he’s being interviewed where it appears he is saying something that appears to be something that even HE doesn’t seem to believe.
      (There’s this thing he does with his face.)

      I did also mention that there’s this thing that Joran does with his HEAD. (Similar, but not exactly identical to what his father does, when both of them seem to be LYING.

      I’m not exactly sure what it was, Richard, but any mention of JQK definitely seems to send yoyo over the top!

      Richard, it’s not my fault that JQK is a good looking guy!!!

      I can’t help it if he exudes INTEGRITY, HONOR, and commands RESPECT.

      Hey Richard, maybe you can help me with this…

      HOW did Steve Croes become a “WITNESS” against TWO INNOCENT BLACK MEN?

      Richard, did you know that Nelson Oduber called for “involvement of the FBI” the very same day that the FBI told the media that they were being side-railed by Aruban officials?

      That was on June 7th, I believe, Richard.

      JUNE 7th: THE DAY WHERE NELSON’S “CONFERENCE” FRIENDS WERE IN ATTENDANCE AT, WELL…AMONGST OTHER THINGS, CONCERNS FOR “THE MISSING” WERE BEING DISCUSSED, WHILE LITTLE NATALEE AND HER BEAUTIFUL FAMILY WERE BEING VIOLATED IN EVERY CONCEIVABLE WAY YOU CAN THINK OF REGARDING THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS.

      JUNE 7, 2005: BIG DAY OF CONTEMPTABLE CONDUCT IN ARUBA, RICHARD…along with so many other CONTEMPTABLE DAYS OF INSIDIOUS CRIMINAL CONDUCT SURROUNDING HOW THIS PRECIOUS CHILD WAS TREATED, AND WHAT DEMENTED, CRIMINAL MINDS SOUGHT TO DO TO BELOVED NATALEE’S FAMILY.

    148. Lorraine on July 13th, 2007 10:24 am

      Richard, thanks for answering my post, incomplete as it was…..it seems I type 4 or 5 paragraphs and only the first shows up. I’ve even tried copying and pasting…same thing. In my last post I had also written that whether or not Natalee got in the car willingly, she did so to go back to her hotel, she did not go willingly to her death…into oblivion….sentencing herself to torture and death or a life too horrfic to describe….to condemn her family to a life of grieving for her…never knowing what happened….if she is alive or dead…never knowing….

      So many young girls, our children, vanishing in plain site, Amy Bradley, intelligent, with her family, in broad daylight, how can this happen? How slick and devious are these devils?
      Jennifer Kesse, apparently abducted from her own apartment, after enjoying a Carribean Cruise….how? She was an intelligent young woman, at home, again another seemingly impossible coup…..yet the devils again succeeded….and there are no answers..

      Natalee’s case is unique! We know who she was last seen with. And we know that THEY KNOW!!!!! They know what they did to Natalee…..they know where they took her…..they know where she is…..they no whether or not she is still alive….THEY CAN STOP SOME OF BETH’S PAIN…..THEY CAN GIVE HER THE ANSWERS SHE DESERVES…..IT IS TIME THOSE 3 BABOONS TAKE THEIR HANDS OFF THEIR MOUTHS…….AND T-A-L-K_!!

      Ifthey won’t do so willingly, they must be rearrested and MADE to!! THE PROOF IS THERE!!!! MAKE THEM TALK!!!

    149. disgustedmom on July 13th, 2007 10:38 am

      I’m surprised yoyo hasn’t told me how stupid I am for bringing Joran’s younger brother into this.

    150. Richard on July 13th, 2007 11:43 am

      Pearl, remember that before Oduber allowed the FBI to come into the case, he opposed it. He said there was no need for them, and that the case “would be solved in a week.”

      Guess there’s not much feeling of urgency about things on Aruba. Beth Twitty certainly wasn’t as laid back as he was; the initial reward was, I think, $175,000 for the safe return of Natalee and $50,000 for information. It was raised in July, and thereafter.

      Sort of makes you think. To most of us, even $175,000 is a fair bit of cash, and in Aruba it’s probably even more (except to the drug lords). This suggests something to me; just how many people were in the cover-up, and how many would be loyal to the van der Sloots, or whoever, instead of taking the chance to get that money?

      Or is there something else involved? Something more feared than Paulus van der Sloot, who was so powerful that he didn’t get the judgeship he wanted? Someone more intimidating than a few punk kids?

      Makes me wonder….

      Lorraine, I can’t imagine a scenario under which the three stooges didn’t know what happened to Natalee on Aruba. But I can imagine one in which they have no idea what is happening to her now, or where she is … nor would they want to know. Nor would they push anyone to find out.

      If they did hand her over to someone (an idea few believe, but which I think is not far-fetched), their only concern is that she remain hidden and silent.

    151. Lorraine on July 13th, 2007 1:32 pm

      I agree, Richard, either they did “the something bad” or they handed her over to someone. In the second case, they at least, know to whom they handed her. Are these people so dangerous and so in control of Aruba….if the answer is yes, we will most likely never find out the truth. They are ALL too afraid…..they are living in fear of these gangsters, who sent a message, loud and clear, when the drug dealer was found dead, in a cave, his body smouldering after he had been tortured and murdered…

    152. Lorraine on July 13th, 2007 1:42 pm

      To add to the above, who in their right mind would visit Aruba? Any young, attractive woman is a target on that island! A target to be taken at the whim of those in control, of the evil underworld that thrives on Aruba. And when they “disappear”, these victims will never be seen again, their families, loved ones, the Media, can do nothing! Nobody could have done more to find her child than Beth, nor gotten more media attention, or crippled this island with her call for her Boycott and her Safe Travel talks, bringing awareness to the innocent,unaware and potential victims…..warning and hopefully succeeding convincing many to stay away from this Vile Isle!!

    153. Richard on July 13th, 2007 8:26 pm

      Lorraine, I found my Caribbean book (“The Holiday Guide to Caribbean and the Bahamas,” The Curtis Publishing Co. (New York: 1976), which I picked up at the local recycling center some months back. It has a useful map and some info on the various islands. Don’t worry; I have no plans to go!

      Anyway, here’s what I remembered incorrectly. In fact, the Caribbean is even bigger than I thought it said it was:

      “Until they have seen it, few people realize the size and extent of the Caribbean. If you were to follow the curve of the island chain from Florida to its tip just off Venezuela, you would have traveled nearly 2,500 miles.

      “The airline distance from Miami to Trinidad, the southernmost island, is almost 1800 miles. If you were to fly that far west or north of Miami, you would be either in El Paso or in Caribou, Maine. Nobody knows how many isalnds there actually are in this vast area, EQUAL TO TWO-THIRDS OF CONTINENTAL UNITED STATES.”

      (emphasis supplied by me)

      So we’re talking about a lot of space. Maybe it’s mostly water … but for people who have practiced keeping out of sight, they have a lot of room to do that.

    154. Richard on July 13th, 2007 8:30 pm

      And as I’ve said many times … American tourism would not be driven away from Aruba by a death or a murder if it were promptly prosecuted. Were that the case, people would not think that a travesty of justice had occurred or that they themselves might be at risk on an island where no law rules.

      But if Aruba had said publicly that it believed Natalee was handed over to someone or to some gang that took her off the island, with the connivance of locals, and sold her into sexual slavery … and that it didn’t know where she was, or what to do about it … or wouldn’t dare …

      and then said that tourists were welcome …

      NOBODY EVER WOULD GO THERE AGAIN!!!

      In my mind, that scenario represents the “real” risk to Aruba. Not catering to some punk kids on the island, as many see the purpose of the cover-up, but rather having to admit that an American girl was taken captive, and might not ever be recovered.

      (And of course, might not be alive today even if she were taken off Aruba alive.)

    155. miriam on July 14th, 2007 4:00 pm

      Strong winds caused the capsizing of the Jolly Pirate?
      Were those winds caused by some powerfull ghost?

    156. Pearl on July 14th, 2007 6:54 pm

      It’s the spirit of justice rolling in, Miriam ( 155).
      A force of power like nothing corrupt men with no conscience could ever have imagined.

      The mighty winds of TRUTH are erupting across the island of Aruba. There will be no place to hide, for men and women with no conscience nor integrity who sold their souls to the devil for their slice of what they thought was their comfort.

      For those women who awaken tomorrow, thinking about the color of their next set of heels they’ll wear, and those men who wake up to a reflection in the mirror – that has no soul, those winds are headed their way, and are going to shake them from the foundations of corruption where they planted their feet, for their participation in the scam of dishonor and cruelty they allowed to be inflicted upon Natlaee and her family.

      They rest their heads on pillows at night, while this precious child has no place to lay her head.

      They spin slick responses to the harrowing suffering that continues in the lives of the Twitty-Holloway family, whose baby was ripped from their lives, never to be seen again.

      How can they sleep when the handprint of Natalee’s suffering hovers over the skies of Aruba?

      How do they slip under blankets and onto pillows, when they KNOW that the desecration inflicted upon Natalee, leaves her broken, battered and torn from the loving care of her family?

      What kind of men and women in the position of AUTHORITY to DO SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE FOR THIS CHILD, would turn their backs on a child subjected to such barbaric cruelty as what was inflicted upon Natalee?

      Can the F16 be recalled, for surely THEY can find ONE HEART on the island of Aruba that is capable of simple human kindness and compassion,
      one mind capable of conduct reflective of an honorable CONSCIENCE.

    157. L on May 23rd, 2009 9:12 am

      THE NATELY CURSE ON ARUBA AND THEIR GOVERMENT

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