“Aruba does not want Independence; We cannot handle that”

 

I guess the question that would come to mind after Aruban Prime Minister made the following comment, “Aruba does not want independence; we cannot handle that. Aruba wants financial independence and no supervision from the Netherlands,” is  what else can’t Aruba handle? What else should they be allowing others to handle, yet they refuse to let more experienced and qualified individuals to help? Why does it always in Aruba seem to be about the money?

Amigoe; June 17, 2007: The Netherlands forces Aruba to matters she doesn’t want to    

ORANJESTAD – “There is no war between the two countries of the Kingdom, but it can be better”, says the Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP).

He says that the Netherlands seizes the drastic political changes for the Antillean islands to force Aruba to matters she doesn’t want to.   According to him, there is a chance that achievements are reversed, because also St, Maarten and Curacao won’t get these with the new political structure and the Netherlands is striving to be univocal.      

” Aruba does not want independence; we cannot handle that. Aruba wants financial independence and no supervision from the Netherlands .   Aruba wants to work together with the other islands in certain fields, like justice, criminality, and safety.”

Last week during his visit to The Hague , Oduber wanted to talk to the Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende in order to come to a good relationship.   But that was not possible and the Aruban premier was also not admitted to the Federal Council of Ministers.  

Posted June 17, 2007 by
Aruba, Crime, Economy, Travel | 120 comments


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    120 Responses to ““Aruba does not want Independence; We cannot handle that””

    1. Melissa on June 17th, 2007 11:00 am

      Aruba has the characteristics of a very spoiled child! Aruba wants to do exactly what Aruba wants to do until money is needed and then out goes the hand to Holland. The debt Aruba owes Holland is enormous. Additionally, Holland is responsible for the defense of Aruba so if serious problems should arise in Aruba – the Dutch Marines are suppose to show up in full force! Sometimes in life – you can’t have it both ways!!!

    2. dennisintn on June 17th, 2007 11:33 am

      melissa, that’s about as succinct as you can put it.
      dennisintn

    3. Richard on June 17th, 2007 12:20 pm

      What’s this? Haven’t our Dutch friends and visitors, not to mention legal experts, been telling us for — oh, say two years — that Aruba IS independent? And that because Aruba IS independent, the Dutch have no power to intervene in Natalee’s case … or anything else?

      And now we hear … well, Aruba is NOT independent.

      It is, in a way … but no, it really isn’t.

      And no, Holland doesn’t support Aruba … but gee, now it seems that it does after all.

      Can’t have it both ways, Melissa? It seems to me that Aruba HAS been having it both ways … has, in short, been LYING out of BOTH SIDES OF ITS MOUTH from day one of the Natalee Holloway case.

      All we ever seem to get from Aruba is lies. Nothing else.

      What they say today, they qualify tomorrow.

      I think it’s clear that there are no laws there that matter, and nobody who can enforce them. It’s like a play be Luigi Pirandello … reality is whatever you want it to be … except that in the case of Natalee Holloway, and probably of more people than we ever will hear of, the results are tragic.

      Holland, why don’t you just cut this floating garbage scow free unreservedly, and let it sink on its own. Better yet, work with the U.S. government in setting up a tourist embargo.

    4. Richard on June 17th, 2007 12:22 pm

      Go ahead, Aruba, work with Curacao … where Amy Bradley disappeared from a cruise ship that was docked there, one night after her ship left Aruba.

      Work with Saba island … where I believe the body of Joel Gove, missing since December, is still there because the Dutch and the locals won’t do their JOB and recover it (even though the family say they know where it is).

      Work with the rest of the Netherlands Antilles … sink to your common level.

      No wonder Beth called for a boycott of the whole chain.

    5. Susan on June 17th, 2007 12:57 pm

      Dennis Jacobs asking Dave Holloway how much money did he have when seeking Jacobs’ assistance comes to mind :-(

      It is all about “money” for Aruba, especially the tourism dollars. Drug and human trafficking dollars also play a big part in the Aruban economy.

      It has never been the intent of, nor will it ever be, the Aruban or Dutch authorities to solve Natalee’s disappearance.

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE :-)

      BOYCOTT ARUBA AND HOLLAND, the sorry bunch of lowlife scumbags!!!!!!!!!!!

    6. buster on June 17th, 2007 1:13 pm

      Aruba does’nt know what it wants, But it want’s it right away !!!

    7. Robert on June 17th, 2007 1:56 pm

      # Richard | June 17, 2007, 12:20 pm

      “It is, in a way … but no, it really isn’t.”

      You hit the nail right on the head Richard; Aruba officialy is part of the Kingdom but it has a “status aparte”. They don’t want total independance because of….. OUR MONEY!!!

      If I was boss in the NL’s I would hand Aruba over to Chavez! They only cost us money! (And a bad rap!)

    8. Allan K on June 17th, 2007 2:10 pm

      What we really want is to sell drugs and fulfill our sexual perversions without outside interference. Also we want to be governed by the mafia and cartel. We also want our casinos and businesses ran by criminals. We want to protect Dutch muderer.

    9. dennisintn on June 17th, 2007 2:24 pm

      #8, alan, you forgot the money laundering and transhipment of terrorist funds into south america. and then there’s the all time favorite political crime and corruption. sell a favor here, sell a favor there, it all adds up to quite a tidy sum. as long as they can count on holland to bail their butts out militarily and financially. and they get to blame holland for anything that goes wrong or they don’t have the balls to handle for themselves.
      dennisintn

    10. JusticeforNatalee on June 17th, 2007 2:27 pm

      Aruba: Go to your room and don’t come out
      until you give Natalee justice!

      Hey, you really need to worry about your tourism.

      There are PLENTY of other tropical destinations
      to chose from.

    11. JusticeforNatalee on June 17th, 2007 2:29 pm

      LOL typo “choose”

    12. Carpe Noctem on June 17th, 2007 3:01 pm

      So to recap:

      - ARUBA -

      Is not home if it is the Police (from any country, including their own) or DOG THE BOUNTY HUNTER looking to make
      arrests…

      However, if it is the Queen of Nederlands is at “DE DO”,

      or perhaps Ed McMahon with a checkbook…

      yo hold up, hold up…

      Nelsey was just putting on his shoes,

      He’ll be right out!!!

      —-

      Aruba-

      The NAT HOLLOWAY CASE called you out for what you are!

      Punk, two-bit, discount hustlas…

      …the world now sees you now in Hi-Def,

      live & in living color.

      > Bonbini up on this,dude. -j4n

      Where’s Natalee?

      http://tinyurl.com/37g6sX

    13. compananzi on June 17th, 2007 3:03 pm

      …You think the only people who are people
      Are the people who look and think like you..

      Mind I remind everyone that we have other countries that are as depended on US as well? Mind it not for lobbyist at a Tune of 5 billion a year, out ally Isreal would be in a financia crisis? I believe that MEP the same party that Nel Oduber sprang from championed a separate status from the Nederlands similar but not exactly like Puerto Rico, or Guam? #8, you boost that other countries have shady beginnng, as a refresher did a priest started Vegas, DID JFK Father not run boot leg and made his money the hard liquor way? Enron ring a bell?

      Wasn’t there a cry in the beginning to have the Dutch intervene when the NH case did not resolve in weeks? What happened then, we conveniently start pooing the Dutch? And what about the FBI, case closed? Or WIP?

    14. houston on June 17th, 2007 3:09 pm

      The State Department includes all of the above and in addition “traffic in children”….it is certainly no place for Americans….with or without the Netherlands.

    15. mojo on June 17th, 2007 4:14 pm

      traffic in children? why is it that every child porn case seems to catch more in the US than anywhere else. please let’s not point the finger at the Dutch before we clean our own house. we have far more trafficking and slavery here in the US than holland or aruba combined. aruba has its problem — drugs! but don’t kid yourself. compananzi is right. take the log our of your own eye before you worry about others.

      in this case there was incompetence and perhaps some preferential treatment, but that is the way it works here as well. :(

    16. mayan_moons on June 17th, 2007 4:18 pm

      Today is Father’s Day and i’m not sure Aruba acknowledges the day set aside to honor one’s father, prolly NOT seeing as how no man on Aruba acts as a father/mentor to their children. Instead the male parent on Aruba acts as more as enabler’s and co-conspiritor’s who teach their son’s how to be better criminals.

      Paulus should be hung.

    17. Susan on June 17th, 2007 4:45 pm

      mayan_moons – I’m sure I could find a “hangman’s noose” somewhere around here :-) Any volunteer to do the deed and rid this planet of the disgusting scum?

    18. Rammstein on June 17th, 2007 4:56 pm

      I see mr. Richard is giving us the benefit of his wisdom and also adding some snide remarks to dutch posters here (wonder why not more dutch/aruban people visit here? IMHO look no further). So let me add my “wisdom/opinion” to his.

      ———————————————————–
      Richard wrote
      And that because Aruba IS independent, the Dutch have no power to intervene in Natalee’s case … or anything else?

      And now we hear … well, Aruba is NOT independent.

      It is, in a way … but no, it really isn’t.

      And no, Holland doesn’t support Aruba … but gee, now it seems that it does after all.
      ————————————————————

      Aruba is independent from the country of the Netherlands, it is not independent from the KINGDOM of the Netherlands which is made up by the three countries together in which they have agreed certain rules for the entire Kingdom.

      Aruba has a large degree of independence under this treaty but has certain things that were agreed upon by all three nations that make up the Kingdom (in a similar manner that there are Federal matters in the US and State matters and where the Federal government cannot interfere with State matters) and Aruba cannot on it’s own accord through the constitution of the Kingdom to the wind and do what it wants.

    19. dennisintn on June 17th, 2007 4:57 pm

      #l3, imho, there is nobody that looks or thinks exactly as i do. if there was, one of us would be redundant, and i’d probably be the one eliminated.

      just in case you haven’t noticed, the papers and news programs are crammed full of crime and criminals and just plain stupid things that happen here in the states. all of us that can read fully understand this and do what we can to correct the problems.

      what we don’t do here is spend millions of dollars trying to convince the world that we’re crimeless and perfect. what we do here is let the defendants pay their lawyers to lie for them and try to get their clients off by defiling the reputations of the victims, or blame the incompetent(at the very least) actions of the police and govt. on the victims family.

    20. LilPuma on June 17th, 2007 6:15 pm

      If Aruba were to gain its independence, it would have no one to blame. The police report to The Hague, the prosecutor reports to the Common Court of Justice of the Netherlands Antilles, they can’t intervene in the investigation. They hire a U.S. PR firm to handle the media and end up lying to the media, causing further problems. They blame Tim Miller for the turtle eggs, they blame the US media for the shoddy investigation, they blame Natalee and Beth for her disappearance, they blame everyone but themselves and Joran van der Sloot for their problems. Now it’s also the fault of the Dutch that they have to deal with things they don’t want to deal with. Like making corruption illegal for government officials.

      Vegas was started by organized crime. Currently, organized crime figures can’t get a license to own or operate a casino in the States. They can and do in Aruba.

      Australia was started by shiploads of convicts, but they’ve built it into a great country.

    21. mayan_moons on June 17th, 2007 6:17 pm

      Tell it dennisintn!

      Another thing we Don’t do here is allow conflict of interest in our justice system, on any level. What that means Aruba is that judges cannot sit on cases that involve people they know much less their relative’s either by birth or marriage.

      And with all the faults the US Justice system has, at the end of the day 12 collective minds determine and weigh the facts and judge the credibility of every witness. Twelve juror’s that represent the concious of their communities is what i’ll take anyday over corrupted and connected ABC judges.

    22. charlierat on June 17th, 2007 7:10 pm

      Just for the record, the MEP party platform is to retain ties with Holland and remain a part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

      Opposition parties favor full independence.

      Oh, and in case anyone was worried about it, I just got back from a wonderful week on Aruba. I’m here to tell you that the island is doing just fine! Tourism is humming right along and the slogan “One Happy Island” has never been more true.

    23. Carpe Noctem on June 17th, 2007 7:30 pm

      16 – Yes, Mayan!!!

      ANOTHER INTERESTING ARUBA STATISTIC:

      Very few people in Aruba

      truly know who their father is…

      Coz Li’l Jack Horner sat on the corner,

      and he was pullin’ out

      more than just a plumb, and all.

      FACT:

      Father’s Day in Lie-Rooba is

      kinda like our USA Halloween! -j4n

    24. Susan on June 17th, 2007 7:40 pm

      #22 JUST FOR THE RECORD – “One Happy Island” my buttocks!! Keeping telling yourself that, “Mr. Rat’s Ass”. The true definition of Aruba is a “poverty-stricken”, “drug infested”, “criminal harboring third world poo poo hole”, and you freaking know it!!

    25. Carpe Noctem on June 17th, 2007 7:49 pm

      http://tinyurl.com/2gXu7r

      Charlie Rat the Mc Donalds employee

      who claims he is a lawyer AND

      IS ON ATA PAYROLL writes:

      “Tourism is humming right along and the slogan “One Happy Island” has never been more true.”

      Hey, Mi Dushi Bag…

      The Internet shows us every

      Aruban webcam on the island.

      We see all the damage the gang-raping,

      brutal family of Van der sloot murderers

      has done to your POS Island.

      Give it up!

      Like you did on your personal appearance…

      only this time focus your lack of personal

      good taste on fecal knot island. -j4n

    26. Carpe Noctem on June 17th, 2007 7:55 pm

      IS IT TRUE

      THE ARUBAN

      WAGON OF ARUBAN LAW ENFORCEMENT

      SANCTIONED DEATH

      HAS BEEN FOUND?

      Hmmmmmm….

      http://tinyurl.com/yosgap

      —-

      …and yas

      Pick up rock,

      he’ll be LYING UNDERNEATH!

      He lies, & he lies, and he lies.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHXtbsReqcg

    27. charlierat on June 17th, 2007 7:57 pm

      Sorry #24 but you are completely incorrect.

      You claim that I “know it.” You’re right about that, I do know the truth about Aruba. I just returned from a week on Aruba. The island has a solid economy and one of the highest standards of living in the Western Hemisphere (trailing only Canada and the United States and virtually tied with the Cayman Islands). Americans are being welcomed to Aruba in near record numbers.

      I don’t know who is telling you that kind of stuff about Aruba that you seem to believe but it is not correct.

      __________

      SM: Sorry Charlie … you are living in the past.

      I have a working knowledge of Aruba since 1975 to present. Please do not just spread the company line. I would dare say I might know a two or three things about Aruba they you do not.

      R

    28. charlierat on June 17th, 2007 8:12 pm

      Hey, Carpe.

      Have you ever looked at an archived web-cam photo from before May 30, 2005? I’m just asking because that might give you a better idea about what the Bucuti Cam is showing you.

    29. charlierat on June 17th, 2007 8:37 pm

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZLUqAtyvM8

      ———–

      SM: Just a couple of problems with your video, still no tourists to be found ah … and their “aint” no Natural Bridge. ;)

    30. mayan_moons on June 17th, 2007 8:51 pm

      lol Carpe! Nobody says it the way you do!~

      ______________________

      I’m going with Susan’s definition in post#24 too! hahahaha

    31. Miss-Underestimated on June 17th, 2007 9:13 pm

      Hey Aruba, someone is knocking on the door.

      It Hugo, waiting in line, once you cut your ties with the homeland.

      He’s gonna remane the island to Chavezland….

    32. Maggie on June 17th, 2007 9:20 pm

      Aruba wants to work together with the other islands in certain fields, like justice, criminality, and safety.”

      Who does this bozo think he is fooling? Himself?? and a few other paid AHATA members, who would say anything for a quarter.

      Aruba wants financial independence and no supervision from the Netherlands . We want a million dollars tax free Nelsie, so I guess we know how it feels to want now.

      I will never forget that big phoney hug he gave Beth, his comments that this will really hurt tourism, and his comment, I am sick of this case.

      It’s Father’s Day Oduber, I bet you know where your child is, now where is Beth’s and Dave’s?????

      Welcome back from Aruba (CharlieRat) last I knew teenage boys don’t stalk and “leave older men on the beach at 3am”

      Who in the world would send their daughter to this lawless place? Nothing like waking to find your child gone forever and all the lead cop can say to you is, how much money do you have or go have a beer where she was last seen, but watch out you might be drugged.

    33. sparrow on June 17th, 2007 9:34 pm

      Mr. Char lie Rat

      You should count your blessings you came back from aruba.
      A hole week–and you’re here to tell us about it.

    34. Carpe Noctem on June 17th, 2007 9:34 pm

      13.

      “…You think the only people who are people
      Are the people who look and think like you..”

      Zowie, that was a real statement, right there!

      You’re a real Rock ‘n Roll Aruban Original, nutty buddy.

      Did u think that one up “off the cuff”

      or “sittin’ on the can?”

    35. mayan_moons on June 17th, 2007 9:35 pm

      Looks like Aruba’s got a new mule guys! Orr a jackass!

    36. Miss-Underestimated on June 17th, 2007 9:43 pm

      http://www.navyvets.org/id104.html

      hit control and f type aruba

    37. Miss-Underestimated on June 17th, 2007 9:50 pm
    38. charlierat on June 17th, 2007 10:16 pm

      I see that my posts are back on auto delete again which is fine with me. But, Red, no, there is no way you hold a candle to my overall knowledge of Aruba.

      How long did you actually live on the island? (I was born there, myself.) And, since you left (after a year or two), how closely have you paid attention to developments on the island? It has been a consuming passion of mine since before you ever set foot on the island.

      No, Red, I daresay that I trump you on all things Aruba.

      Since you actually claim to know so much about the place, why are you spreading known lies about the lovely island? Surely, if you really do know jackshit about Aruba, you know that it is a wonderful vacation destination, populated by the friendliest, most welcoming people on the planet. You surely also know that Aruba has an enviably low crime rate and a solid economy.

      I think it’s the last point that really kills me; Red, why do you continue to lie to your two dozen board members about the state of tourism on Aruba?

      I’ll take your side for just a minute, here. If the goal is to punish innocent Arubans because a mystery remains unsolved on their island, don’t you think you would do a better job of accomplishing that goal if you told the truth, which is that tourism never was hit that hard and has since fully recovered?

      __________

      SM: Spare me the lecture, keep drinking the Kool-Aide and taking your marhing orders from the ATA.

      Fully recovered … what are you smoking? Even those in the tourism industry don’t have the stupidity to make such comments. Keep making such comments and that is why you have “ZERO” credibilty. That would be like saying GWB is just as popular as he was in 2002. DUH, not true. A little truth every so often would be an amazing concept I understand.

      However, what does the truth have to do with any of this, right? From the outset. You are either a fool, liar or just cant do simple math if you think that tourism is back to pre-Natalee #’s.

      I bet many in Aruba in the hotel industry would greatly differ with you. Hell people at the Trade Shows do, but I guess you know more than they. You are just the all knowing person. A legend in your own mind.

       

       

    39. mayan_moons on June 17th, 2007 10:19 pm

      I’ll never forget that phoney hug either Maggie!

      Well Nelsy…..are ya sick of this case now????

      HAHAHAHA

      If you were sick of it then what are you feeling now Nels?

    40. mayan_moons on June 17th, 2007 10:25 pm

      f Aruba accomplished Miss-U!~

    41. charlierat on June 17th, 2007 10:30 pm

      Well, Red, I suppose reading you saying that I have zero credibility is actually an endorsement of my credibility in and of itself.

      So, you want to go head to head with me on our comparative knowledge of Aruba?

      I didn’t think so.

      ________

      SM: Geez, honestly who cares.

      The point that I am making that is obviously going way over your head, is you have no idea who I know in Aruba, past or present. You have know idea of your present leaders who I have spoken with in the past and you have no idea what I have been told. I am never going to say the leaders of Aruba who I have had the privy of meeting personally.

      Frankly, I could care less what Aruban trivia you know. Don’t you have a something better to do as you are basically a waste of time and you actually bore me. I think I have better things to do with my time that actually respond to foolish posts. Go read a book or something.

      Last post … bye, have a good night.

    42. mayan_moons on June 17th, 2007 10:34 pm

      Our little Napolian Nelsy is assuring the Motherland that the two countries are not at war everybody!

      Aruba can’t handle total independence….Aruba can’t handle their finances (always begging for money), Aruba can’t handle their own children, Aruba can’t handle the TRUTH, Aruba can’t the Natalee Ann Holloway Case!

      PERIOD!~

    43. compananzi on June 17th, 2007 10:43 pm

      34 “The Pot Calling The Kettle Black”

      Oh, I’m so not used to when your not
      spouting ridiculous, non illuminating
      remarks about Aruba, Dutch Antilles Carribean
      or Dutch dirty remarks.

      Yet I suspect no outrage or snide poetry
      or travel advisory to Orlando Fl?
      Strange how also delayed evidence of information
      did not cause bring the City to a standstill?

    44. Roy on June 17th, 2007 10:51 pm

      1906…Been gone a few days and just got the chance to review your work about the “Dicemen”. Don’t stop! Believe you are “Right on Track”… A bunch of high-rollers betting on outcomes require a large playing field and extensive remote-video coverage. Only one place like that….it’s just spread out a little and would pass from camera to camera…..That kind of money, I’m sure they would have wanted to watch the whole thing unfold. Of course, who ever arranged the game, would require more participants than just Natalee to create different possibilities for the betting board, meaning more unwilling and/or unknowing victims. I look forward to reading more of your work.

    45. Brie on June 17th, 2007 11:17 pm

      And he lies..and he lies..and he lies..and he lies..and he lies and he lies..he lies all the time…..

      What’s a matter did we a nerve? Or two?

      It’s time to bring Joran and Paulus to the US. We have a trial waiting for you………………! It’s call JUSTICE FOR NATALEE, OUR AMERICAN.

    46. Brie on June 17th, 2007 11:23 pm

      Put a little more hair on Joran’s face and he looks like Charles Manson.

    47. Brie on June 17th, 2007 11:47 pm

      New movie release……. coming soon, starring Joran Lecter
      Der Sloot, “Arubamanian Devil”, directed by Hannibal Der Sloot.

    48. Brie on June 17th, 2007 11:49 pm

      Already saw you movies, Jason!

    49. katablog.com on June 18th, 2007 12:43 am

      I again challenge those who contend that tourism is doing so well on One Crappy Island to show us this in print. Give us a reference where numbers prove the improved tourism.

      Next, if Aruba tourism was doing so well, they wouldn’t have to be pushing so hard to make people believe it was. They also wouldn’t be taking trips to China to beg the Chinese to come to Aruba.

      Aruba is in a hurt and for good reason. So go back to One Crappy Little Island and crawl under a rock. I’ve been to Aruba and no, I didn’t find the people particularly welcoming – about the same as any other Caribbean Island (except for Granada which was extremely welcoming). It’s not a place I would go back to because of the way they handled the Natalee Holloway case and the way they treated her family. I will forever associate Aruba with Dave Holloway digging in a garbage dump in 90 degree temperatures, searching for his daughter’s body without the help of the Aruban government. That and Joran van der sloot’s smirking face. Both have left pictures that can’t be erased.

      To the Dutch Poster: Yes, you bet we begged the Netherlands to get involved – and yes, we were highly disappointed (but some of us still hopeful) that it took the Dutch TWO years to get to Aruba. Next, our FBI hasn’t done anything because they haven’t been allowed to do so. Aruba has kept the case open so that our FBI can’t get involved – attempting to make sure that any trace of evidence is destroyed.

    50. katablog.com on June 18th, 2007 12:54 am

      From Connecting the Dots – interview with Carla Baron of CourtTV’s Haunting Evidence. Show is on 06/20/2007

      Q: During your investigation, what did you find out about Natalee Holloway?

      A: I pretty much nailed it. I knew, for a long time, that I’d be working on this case. I knew whatever I was going to contribute was going to be poignant. I was willing to place myself in an area of danger and name names. I described in detail what happened-after I worked the case, there’s nothing left to ponder. I’m crystal clear on this one.

      Q: Will police ever discover Natalee Holloway’s killer?

      A: I think the police already know who the killer is. But there’s a lot of fear down there – you can sense it in the air.

      Also read all the trouble they had getting their production equipment and crew in and out of Aruba – One Crappy Little Island.

    51. Roy on June 18th, 2007 1:21 am

      Disgusted Mom: Also read many of your pieces of work…very thought out….About Paulus leaving work twice come Monday morning and afternoon to make a deposit….I’d like to add that I had to make an unexpected withdrawal today, now tomorrow I have to go make a deposit to cover checks I’ve got floating about…..I’m not saying that this is the case, but iffn Paulus did make an unexpected ATM withdrawal at 4:00AM that Monday morning, it could be something as simple as my very own situation……at least as it relates to the matter at the bank.

    52. mayan_moons on June 18th, 2007 1:36 am

      Katablog thank you for that info! I was wondering how they were treated and what the exact dates they were in Aruba for production. Where they stayed, ate, everything!

    53. Carpe Noctem on June 18th, 2007 1:43 am

      Thrice in the cantoloupe… would

      only make him more fun

      to be around! (4 real)

      Just for the record,

      I loathe that brother muffin

      sock tucker with a white hot heat,

      & 1 thousand

      rattle-snake bites!

      ….

      http://tinyurl.com/yqzw9s

      http://tinyurl.com/2dv6zm

      http://tinyurl.com/32v3vs

      -j4n “She is remembered and loved.”

      http://tinyurl.com/23fdhX

    54. mayan_moons on June 18th, 2007 1:43 am

      In one of the promo’s they say that they will name names (is how i read it). That should be interesting.

    55. Mike on June 18th, 2007 1:53 am

      Ratass,

      How about you boycotting the US and keep your sorry ass in Aruba. If it is so fricking great there why are you here?

    56. mayan_moons on June 18th, 2007 2:03 am

      Yeah he’d be alot more fun then!

    57. Joe on June 18th, 2007 4:12 am

      Here is an idea: why doesn’t the US say that Aruba has weapons of mass destruction and that there is a link to Al Qaeda? Then you can bomb the shit out of the island. That’s what you Americans like anyway, bombing the shit out of countries.

      __________-

      SM: Could you possibly have a more naive approach to global terrorism. Put your head in the sand like everything else. I guess you have not read the recent stories of terrorism in the Carribean.

    58. Joe on June 18th, 2007 5:00 am

      BTW, Aruba doesn’t need to be independent. They can become dependent on Venezuela and Hugo Chavez. Maybe they can pay the bill everytime Aruba f**ks up financially.

      ____

      SM: Maybe … and maybe even fewer Americans will be visiting Aruba.

    59. Richard on June 18th, 2007 5:46 am

      Mr. Rammstein (#18) is correct in that I was giving the benefits of my “wisdom,” such as it is. It isn’t much, to be sure, and what’s left dwindles every day.

      Let’s just call it the ability to perceive reality from afar. And in Aruba, reality is not what some treaty may provide. Reality is … laws are enforced and interpreted by people.

      Mr. Rammstein, please go back and re-read the comments of Nelson Oduber about being independent … well, it’s not REALLY independence, because Aruba can’t handle it.

      (Remember, this is the top elected official speaking.)

      What he wants the Hague to do is hand over money when asked … and otherwise, to keep quiet. Don’t make Aruba do what it doesn’t want to do (think there’s a reference to a missing person in that comment?), just give us an allowance and don’t interfere otherwise.

      He wants Holland to be the ultimate sugar daddy.

      Mr. Robert percipiently notes that “it’s all about the money.” I think we can refine on this a bit: it’s all about the money … for a certain select few.

      Aruba allegedly cooperates with the DEA. Maybe that’s one reason the drug problem is as bad as it is … drug money invites corruption, and our forces are probably checking almost everywhere BUT Aruba.

      Coming up soon: the New Orleans travel show, where Aruba Tourism Authority is going to be making an appearance. It will be making its pitch to travel agents.

      Please, folks, if you use a travel agent who is going to that event … remind them about the cover-up in the Natalee Holloway case. Refer them, if possible, to this e-mail address for info: VolunteersforNatalee@gmail.com.

      “No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba.”

    60. Carpe Noctem on June 18th, 2007 6:19 am

      Source: AMIGOE.COM

      -snip
      *********************************************************************************

      ” Aruba does not want independence; we cannot handle that. Aruba wants financial independence and no supervision from the Netherlands . Aruba wants to work together with the other islands in certain fields, like justice, criminality, and safety.”

      Last week during his visit to The Hague , Oduber wanted to talk to the
      Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende in order to come to a good relationship.
      But that was not possible and the Aruban premier was also not admitted to the Federal Council of Ministers.

      **************************************************************************************
      -end

      Yeah, see that is a problem MR. NELSON ODUBER…

      When your son RUTHLESSLY RAPES THE O’DUBER FAMILY MAID… and you try and cover it over…

      That makes you a thug too! DO YOU GET IT? ARE YA GETTING THAT?

      Like that murderous,

      relentless, child molesting, alcoholic,

      cold blooded Paulus Van der sloot…

      and his carnivore, rabid dog like,

      mental patient of a son…

      > JORAN VAN DER SLOOT.

      Remember him? The one who killed Natalee Holloway, yes… that complete turkle bomb!

      The one with a forehead like a damn RECREATIONAL VEHICLE CAMPER TOP, yes…

      SMOOTH CRIMINAL, ummmm *not*

      You are no better than they, Nelsey…

      You are an effing disgrace! I would have turned your butt
      away at the door too! Apparently, someone in the Netherlands has a conscience and some good taste!

      ….

      NELSON O’DIRT-BAG, OF THE MEP, you are a sickness!

      I have found in the past, that people who run countries

      AS POORLY AS YOU MISMANAGE ARUBA…

      wind up either assassinated, or in jail
      after their Mickey Mouse Govt. gets
      overthrown by “WE THE PEOPLE.”

      So I think the GOOD NEWS out of all of that is,

      ***YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO!

      You suck like HOOVER, but not Herbert…

      Enjoy your day! -j4n

    61. Carpe Noctem on June 18th, 2007 6:41 am

      Some Bucuti Webcam History

      pre Natalee Holloway.

      …..

      March 16, 2005 — Eagle Beach, Aruba

      http://tinyurl.com/3dfuh4

      Best Aruba Bucuti Webcam Zoom

      pic from the past few weeks!

      http://tinyurl.com/yu9tb2

      ARUBA…

      “It’s a death trap, a suicide rap,

      baby I hope you were born to RUN!”

      - Bruce Spring-stone

    62. Richard on June 18th, 2007 9:06 am

      I guarantee that nobody will want to read this story. It’s impossible (to me, anyway) even to think it’s true. But apparently it is, and shutting our eyes to the truth doesn’t make it go away. It’s a moral imperative to fight evil, isn’t it?

      With that in mind, I’ll put it here. Of course, when it comes to human trafficking, we know that’s a myth….

      I hope we hear more about the 31 children rescued.

      I also hope we hear about the THIRTY-FIVE countries.

      http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070618/ap_on_re_eu/britain_pedophile_ring

      LONDON – Police smashed a global Internet pedophile ring, rescuing 31 children and rounding up more than 700 suspects worldwide, authorities said Monday.

      Some 200 suspects are based in Britain, the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Center said. The ring was traced to an Internet chat room called “Kids the Light of Our Lives” that featured images of children being subjected to horrific sexual abuse.

      The investigation involves agencies from 35 countries and lasted 10 months.

      The host of the Web site, Timothy David Martyn Cox, 27, of Buxhall, who used the online identity “Son of God,” admitted to nine counts of possessing and distributing indecent images, authorities said.

      After his arrest in September, authorities were able to infiltrate the chat room and collect evidence on the other members.

    63. Brie on June 18th, 2007 9:16 am

      Who wants to vacation on an island that has been declared unsafe by previous tourists? Who wants to visit an island that is surrounded by tragedy? Who wants to visit an island that reeks with drugs, corruption, destruction, theft, fear and predators. That’s a vacation. That’s a trip to hell! Immigrants, more than they can handle, jobless, homeless, crime can only prevail. If you insist on going, I would suggest a signed, documented, notorized statement from your tourist agent claiming any and all acts of safety. They assume all responsibility for your visit and safe return. If not you have the right to all compensations, that is if you return. If you do not return consider it your last and final vacation wih restitution for your family. “Devils Island”

    64. Brie on June 18th, 2007 9:28 am

      And he lies…and he lies…and he lies…extradiction to the United States for Paulus and Joran…Arubanese want justice per too, per Jossy.

    65. Cerril on June 18th, 2007 10:27 am

      I wonder why people on this board disagree and go into the offensive when someone who visited or are living in Aruba say Aruba’s tourism is doing well.
      I always thought we want to get answers what happened to Natalee. It is so obvious that the major goal now is to destroy Aruba its economy.
      Hallo folks: by destroying Aruba you are not finding Natalee, you are filling yourself with hate against people of Aruba and that will not solve anything.
      Living all my life in Aruba and working in the tourism industry I can tell believe it or not: Tourism went down in 2006, the first quarter of 2007 was slightly better to the first quarter of 2006. That doesn’t mean we are doing fine because the figures of 2006 were very bad but at least we experienced a slightly recovery in 2007.
      If finding Natalee is not the major issue anymore apparently you need to boycott harder.LOL

    66. sparrow on June 18th, 2007 10:41 am

      #62 Richard, thanks for your post. The article said they found babies as young as a few months. Horrific. They should castrate the bastards. Let me do it. This just makes me so sad. This upsets me more than I can express. We can’t close our eyes to these monsters.

    67. Carpe Noctem on June 18th, 2007 10:51 am

      #65 Your ‘logic fingerprint’ is like
      that of a demented cat that just sat
      down on a hot poker.

      It HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT NATALEE!

      No Natalee Holloway JUSTICE, Complete

      & Total Destruction of Aruba.

      Life is a bitch, and then you

      meet Joran Van der sloot…

      Deal with it.

      -j4n

    68. JusticeforNatalee on June 18th, 2007 11:23 am

      The boycott is just beginning.

      That is what Aruba Tourism fails to comprehend.

    69. sparrow on June 18th, 2007 12:46 pm

      #65 I wonder why people visit this board knowing full well it’s dedicated to Natalee Holloway. Why would you want to cause havoc for a young, beautiful woman who was murdered in aruba? You must enjoy the injustice that has been done to Natalee. What kind of effin name is cerril?

    70. Cerril on June 18th, 2007 12:52 pm

      Very often I am reading posts here. All the attacks on Aruba. I dont know if we should be scared or find the posts pathetic.
      #67 Your post is so hateful that it is not normal anymore. There is something wrong with you. Go see a doctor
      #68 The boycott is just beginning! After 2 years? Are you kidding me? Maybe the boycott is not working as you want.
      As I said: boycott as much as you want. This way Natalee will not be found. If we have the “total destruction” as stated in post 67 it will give you only satisfaction of a destructive human person. And still no answers of what happened with the poor girl.

    71. Richard on June 18th, 2007 1:10 pm

      Sparrow (#66) … My point in putting that revolting article there (as everyone probably has guessed) is to show that such rings exist. I don’t know where the children were who were “rescued” … were they abused family members?

      Were they orphans adopted for these horrific purposes?

      Or were they actually abducted? The case of the 4-year-old McCann girl, missing in Portugal and said by some to be in Morocco (there was one reported sighting of her there that Interpol simply never bothered to investigate), and of so many other little children, would seem to suggest that nothing is too vile for some animals. Don’t call them people … even though no animal is that debased.

      God … or more likely, Satan … only knows how these things are publicized.

      But my point is, this is perhaps the most abnormal thing that we can think of. My imagination, anyway, can’t go beyond this.

      If there are rings of people that (apparently, though the article didn’t say as much) keep children captive for sexual purposes and send videos about this worldwide, is it too much to think that Natalee might have been handed over to some group that aims at the same thing, only for young women instead of infant children?

      (We don’t know the age groups involved in this ring.)

      We do know that South America is a major market for this sort of thing, and that Natalee is/was attractive.

      I’m just saying that we should keep our minds open. It’s hard to believe … it’s also hard to believe that there are creatures out there who prey on little children, and communicate their abuses to others. It’s unbelievable.

      Unfortunately, as we know from the news, it’s true.

    72. Richard on June 18th, 2007 1:13 pm

      By the way, Cerrill (#65) … by urging a boycott against Aruba, to which we owe NOTHING, we are also doing our best to protect our own people. Your government is conducting a cover-up; your people will take the consequences of your own government’s action.

      Don’t wail and whine to us. The real tragedy is that it took us so long to get wise to you.

    73. Richard on June 18th, 2007 1:30 pm

      Damn … just had a fiery post lost because I “failed the test.” Guess I can’t add one and one again ….

      Anyway, let’s tone it down a bit. Cerrill (#65), remember the two security guards who were arrested on no evidence but the testimony of From The Ditch Jr. and his two boon companions? Did you hear anyone on your island speaking up for them?

      Anyone demanding justice for them?

      Anyone insisting that From The Ditch be called to account?

      Anyone protesting that From The Ditch Sr. was awarded damages for no good reason even while the real Aruban victims of the lying Dutch got nothing?

      If you know of any such people there … I don’t.

      So don’t come whining to us about your economy and tourism.
      We’re going to do what we can to make sure people know about the “real” Aruba. You won’t even stand up for justice for your own people … well, what goes around comes around. I hope your island has lots and lots of free time to consider that. You can always work for the drug dealers … at least, they run your government.

    74. Warf on June 18th, 2007 2:03 pm

      Natalee Holloway is the major issue. We are not protesting for better pretzels at the bars.

      Arubans Sympathizers have no alternative actions for us; they defend the indefensible.

      Giving your money to Aruba is foolish, but “A fool and his money. . .”

    75. Carpe Noctem on June 18th, 2007 2:08 pm

      Hey, # 70

      Here is what is not normal.

      Even if you clear everything else

      Joran Van der sloot has ever done against

      Natalee Ann Holloway, her family, Aruba, the Netherlands

      … everything…

      How do you as an oxygen breathing carbon based life form

      account for something like this…

      > check it out

      JUNE 2007

      Joran Van der sloot

      http://xrl.us/2e57

      ….

      Please, do not lecture me on being normal.

      Not until you can make what Joran says make sense

      to a reasonable person of any country. Thanks

      -j4n

    76. Carpe Noctem on June 18th, 2007 2:32 pm

      Am I filled with HATRED for JORAN VAN DER SLOOT… ???

      Hell yessssssssssssssssSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS,

      He attacks and DISRESPECTS a

      fellow American of mine on a daily basis…

      One that has been missing now for 749 DAYS.

      She is unable to defend herself now!!!

      When he spits on Natalee & her family…

      …he spits on me.

      > AND I DON’T LIKE THAT! How can I be sorry for that?

      If I ever catch him on American soil

      I WOULD BE “INCLINED” to “BULL PARADE” CHARGE

      THAT OVERGROWN EDDIE MUNSTER LOOKING FREAK A$$…

      AND POKE HIM RIGHT IN THE EYE WITH MY THUMB.

      SO PRINT THIS OUT, AND GIVE IT

      TO HIM, IF HE EVER PLANS TO COME.

      Busch Gardens up on this, DILL-CICLE…

      Joran’s got another thing comin’

      -Be sweet.

      http://tinyurl.com/3567r2

    77. Warf on June 18th, 2007 2:45 pm

      Cerril (70)
      You poke and prod. Strange that you would taunt so much.

      Yes, the Boycott is merely in the infant stages–like a snowball at the top of the mountain. The starting signal was the progress at Boston–the snowball began rolling.

      This year, Cerril–2007. Aruba has been given time to solve the case, time to find Natalee and return her to her family. Aruba was given time to prevent the avalanche.

      I hope the Dutch find the answers. If not, the Boycott has begun, and there may be no stopping the avalanche.

    78. Miss-Underestimated on June 18th, 2007 3:13 pm

      Carpe

      The photo posted on #76, could you do a side by side with Renfrog?

    79. Brie on June 18th, 2007 4:03 pm

      Lies….lies and more lies….

      #65..If finding Natalee is not the major issue anyone than you need to boycott harder. LOL. Finding Natalee has always been the issue. I think we will use your statement and LOL to further our boycott, a special target to travel agents who think this is a joke.

      Chavez is going to own your ass!

      Guess what Aruba is targeted for, A Home Base. Comes equipped with a free zone.

    80. Brie on June 18th, 2007 4:07 pm

      Fok der Bastards…Joran..and..Paulus.

      You got issues, direct them to the above.

    81. Rammstein on June 18th, 2007 4:57 pm

      It’s time to bring Joran and Paulus to the US. We have a trial waiting for you………………! It’s call JUSTICE FOR NATALEE, OUR AMERICAN.

      Comment by Brie | June 17, 2007, 11:17 pm
      ————————————————————

      and what exactly would you think they can be charged with?

    82. Rammstein on June 18th, 2007 5:26 pm

      Some Bucuti Webcam History

      pre Natalee Holloway.

      …..

      March 16, 2005 – Eagle Beach, Aruba

      http://tinyurl.com/3dfuh4

      Best Aruba Bucuti Webcam Zoom

      pic from the past few weeks!

      http://tinyurl.com/yu9tb2

      Comment by Carpe Noctem | June 18, 2007, 6:41 am

      ———————————————————–

      when one compares to show if something is as you say it (or not), then at least have the decency to compare similar dates and times.

      Your picture:

      http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/gallery.php?entry=Images/152.zoom3.jpg

      comparable 2005 picture:

      http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/gallery.php?entry=Images/147.bucutizoom3.jpg

    83. Rammstein on June 18th, 2007 5:29 pm

      The boycott is just beginning.

      That is what Aruba Tourism fails to comprehend.

      Comment by JusticeforNatalee | June 18, 2007, 11:23 am

      ————————————————————-

      Like or dislike the boycott, to each his/her own, but the raw data (i.e. the number of US visitors to the island) doesn’t completely support that theory. True, US visitor numbers are still lower than in 2005, but not by nearly as much as in 2006.

    84. mayan_moons on June 18th, 2007 6:02 pm

      “True, US visitor numbers are *still lower* than 2005. but *not by nearly as much* as in 2006″

      ????? That makes NO SENSE. Is that you ARLENE?

    85. mayan_moons on June 18th, 2007 6:26 pm

      Jurine is now forced to control his temper tantrums, something Anita & Paulus should have taught him but didn’t. This is prolly the first time Jurine has ever controlled his own behaviour, all that he unleashed on Natalee must never be allowed to come out again.

      Even after death Natalee is keeping you in line Joran.
      She fought you off for a bit didn’t she….she got some licks in on your face leaving rather noticable bruise’s and claw marks.

    86. postahchild on June 18th, 2007 6:29 pm

      Re: #17 – Susan, were you also looking for volunteers to kill Richard Ricci when 95% of the people in America thought he had kidnapped and killed Elizabeth Smart? Good thing no one took justice in their own hands in that case, else some vigilantes would be in jail right now charged with murder.

      I would have thought the Smart case would have taught us all to be cautious about declaring someone “guilty” before the evidence is in.

    87. Richard on June 18th, 2007 7:56 pm

      I can’t say about Richard Ricci … had he told some 20-plus versions of a story? Was he seen driving off with her?

      Did he say “Someday I’ll tell what happened, but not now”?

      Well, no use feeding the trolls … good night!

    88. Carpe Noctem on June 18th, 2007 7:58 pm

      Is it just me, or has that “Rammstein”

      from the Nederlands, that talks out of both

      sides of his a$$, and “Tells the truth, but only

      WHEN IT MATTERS”… has he gone TOTALLY PRO GANG-RAPING,

      COLD BLOODED, INNOCENT TEENAGE GIRL MURDERING,

      VAN DER SLOOT FAMILY?

      ….

      Doh! …and I was holding out hope for him, I saw the

      nice Natalee tribute on YOU TUBE that he produced, and

      it was very nice! I liked it a lot.

      Awwww well,

      What is the DEALIO with the VDS love, bro?

      I thought you were better than that.

      Hey Ramm -

      I hope very much your

      DUTCH LAW works somehow, and takes the VDS down…

      I will bite my tongue, and hold out hope until

      the very final last day. I will gladly give

      you guys all the time you need to get them!

      * I truly think the Dutch are our last hope.

      …but if you miss the boat… JMHO

      I think Joran and his dad will be tactically

      taken out…

      I just think anyway ya slice it up,

      THOSE LYING, SERIAL RAPING, MURDERING,

      HEAT SEEKING A$$ BOMBS… aka ARUBA’S VAN DER SLOOT

      MURDERERS are gonna be goin’ down for pound!

      Through the front door,

      or through the back…

      …but I am almost positive that s4it will

      definitely be coming through

      -A- door. -j4n

    89. Carpe Noctem on June 18th, 2007 7:59 pm
    90. katablog.com on June 18th, 2007 8:01 pm

      #65 that’s wonderful. We are having no affect on Aruban Tourism. Tourism in Aruba is doing well. It’s improving. So the people in Aruba are not suffering on our account. Okay, then what are you doing here?

      For the third time, I will ask for you and your cohort trolls to publish a URL to back up your statements. And then I ask you to tell us why you bother to come to a place that has no affect on Aruban Tourism.

      Do you have something against Natalee Holloway? Do you think it’s unreasonable for her family to want her remains returned to them for burial in the USA?

    91. mia on June 18th, 2007 9:00 pm

      This wepage is run by the Amigoe di Corsou. The rest you can guess.

    92. Maggie on June 18th, 2007 9:03 pm

      95% of the people thought Richard Ricci was guilty? Where are those figures from? Richard Ricci had done time for shooting a cop during a burglary and when his home was searched items from the Smart’s home were found. He was locked up again for breaking his probation. Sounds like a wonderful guy huh?

      95% of the people thought OJ,& Scott Peterson were guilty too.. get over it. Richard Ricci wasn’t the last person seen with ELizabeth, his shoes weren’t missing, he didn’t get 20 differing statements, he didn’t tell the cops his friends raped and killed her and buried her, he didn’t say no body, no case, he didn’t frame 2 innocent men for kidnapping and rape, he didn’t smear the victim and lie about her, he didn’t smear the Smarts and lie about them, he didn’t photo shop his picture in with Elizabeth’s, he didn’t say she was drunk and sober at the same time, he didn’t say he took her to the beach where there were lots of people and yet not one has come forward to see them there, and the ones who were there said they werent there, etc, so if 95% thought Richard was guilty imagine what the numbers are for Joran.

    93. Cerril on June 18th, 2007 9:21 pm

      #90 I have absolutely nothing against Natalee Holloway or her family. It is a very sad we don’t know what happened with her and I know it is appalling for her family. If it was my daughter who is missing I think will go crazy. What bother me a lot when I read on this blog it seems Aruba is hiding a crime. All the stories about coverup is BS. I cannot imagine a single person in Aruba covering for the Sloots and Kalpoes. Before May 30, 2005 they were nobody in Aruba and the government is not protecting them. Period! I know you won’t believe.
      Now and then I read on this blog and now want to say something and it is not appreciated.
      Ah you know you are right what I am doing here! I cannot give you Natalee back and everything we say yet is a lie. So folks: have a nice life, bye bye….

    94. Carpe Noctem on June 18th, 2007 9:50 pm

      COURT TV NATALEE HOLLOWAY

      PROM COMING

      WED AT 10P

      1 HOUR SPECIAL

      ………

      PROMO A

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmuFxahnDsI

      PROMO B

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1iHlxaezNk

      -Justice 4 Natalee

    95. yoyo muffintop on June 18th, 2007 10:03 pm

      Maggie – has a thorough check been done by LE on “the ones who were there” and made public for all to see. What are the backgrounds of these fishermen at the huts that night? Were these priests that liked to fish at night? And do they actually fish at night, and if not why were they there? Maybe Joran left her at the beach and these model citizens, aka fishermen, are lying.
      Just curious, as I am sure you are too. It’s an important piece to the puzzle, no?

    96. mia on June 18th, 2007 10:07 pm

      I would like to acquire another nationality
      I am a Dutch citizen. What are the consequences for my Dutch nationality?

      If you acquired another nationality voluntarily before 1 April 2003, you automatically lost your Dutch nationality.
      However, if you voluntarily acquired another nationality on or after 1 April 2003, under the amended Act you still lost your Dutch nationality, but the following exceptions apply since that date.

      You will not lose your Dutch nationality:
      a) if you were born in the country(yet Aruba is not allowed to have its own citizenship?) of your other nationality and have your principal residence there when you acquire the nationality of that country;
      b) if, before you turned 18, you had your principal residence in the country of your other nationality for an uninterrupted period of five years;
      c) if you are married to a person who possesses the nationality you wish to acquire.
      NB: The above exceptions do not apply in all cases. For example, under the provisions of a convention on the prevention of multiple nationality (*), they do not apply if you acquire the nationality of Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Luxembourg or Norway. Before applying for another nationality, ask a Dutch embassy or consulate whether you will lose your Dutch nationality.
      (*) The Netherlands has been a party to this Convention since 10 June 1985. For more information click here .
      You have acquired another nationality and qualify as an exception. How can you prove this?
      If you reapply for a Dutch passport at the Dutch embassy or consulate, you must state on the application form that you possess another nationality in addition to Dutch nationality. You must demonstrate when you acquired this nationality by submitting your naturalisation certificate. If you acquired another nationality voluntarily before 1 April 2003, you lost your Dutch nationality automatically. It may be possible for you to regain your Dutch nat ionality. Look under the heading I have lost my Dutch nationality. How can I regain it?
      If you acquired another nationality on or after 1 April 2003, you will have to prove by means of official and if necessary legalised documents that you qualify as one of the exceptions listed under a., b. or c. If you qualify under c. (you are married to someone with the nationality you have acquired), you will need your naturalisation certificate, your marriage certificate and evidence that your spouse possesses the nationality you have acquired.
      Example 1
      You are a Dutch citizen and have been married to an American woman since 1999. You acquired US nationality on 5 February 2004. If on that date you were still married to a US citizen you do not lose your Dutch nationality. You acquired US nationality after 1 April 2003 and therefore qualify as an exception under c (above).
      Example 2
      You are a Dutch citizen married to a Belgian since 2000. You acquired Belgian nationality on 8 April 2004. You automatically lose your Dutch nationality even if you are married to a Belgian because the Netherlands and Belgium are both party to a convention to avoid multiple nationality. Exception c (above) does not apply to you.
      Example 3
      You are a Dutch citizen and have been married to a Canadian since 1975. Your Canadian husband died on 3 May 2003. You acquired Canadian nationality on 7 January 2004. You automatically lost your Dutch nationality since you are no longer married to a Canadian citizen (since marriage is dissolved through death or divorce) and do not qualify under exception c. But if you lived in Canada for an uninterrupted period of five years before you reached the age of 18, you do not lose your Dutch nationality and qualify under exception b (above).

    97. hammer on June 18th, 2007 10:16 pm

      WHAT RAMM IS TRYING TO SAY…
      ______________________________________

      True, US visitor numbers are still lower than in 2005, but not by nearly as much as in 2006.
      ______________________________________

      In percentage terms, the collapse in tourism to Aruba has slowed: Year-Over-Year declines have slowed somewhat.

      Yet, what we don;t mention is that the percentage declines are for the most recent year, are measured off the previosu year’s already low base (reflecting the first full yar of the boycott’s effects).

      Hence, Aruba is experiencing COMPOUNDING negative growth rates in tourism numbers.

      Whiel many of their neighbors have registered compounding growth.

      Sounds like a disaster to me.

      BTW, have they decided to haul in the criminally-culpable Kalope brothers on obstruction of justice charges, yet?

      .

    98. Maggie on June 18th, 2007 10:47 pm

      Could be martians, better check the sand for some circular marks left by their spaceship.

      3 fishermen? lol, please don’t tell me Joran is now a victim of 3 fisherman also.. His list that has victimized him already is a mile long. Maybe the Kalpoes paid the fishermen to lie! Sure those fishermen went down to get Joran’s and Natalee’s shoes after victimizing Natalee, so the cops wouldn’t think Joran did it. The fishermen wanted all the blame. Better yet explain to us how, Satish picked Joran up that night from the beach and yet,,,,, Satish didn’t …he went to bed. Truth is not one thing links Joran and Natalee to the beach that night except a pathological liar and his lying cronies. Good source! Why would Joran get 15 years and the cops will see that chit, if fishermen got Natalee? 1+1 does not equal 23. Once upon a time they dropped Natalee off at the Holiday Inn and 2 guards got her, until the cameras showed different. No cameras at the beach, so they can keep repeating it. Problem is no matter how many times they repeat a lie, doesn’t make it anymore truthful.

    99. Carpe Noctem on June 18th, 2007 10:48 pm

      LOL Miss-U

      I’ll get to work on it! I have a few

      of that dilapidated bar fly Julia Renfrog sitting

      around here somewherezzzz. =)

      She kind of reminds me of EDDIE

      from the album IRON MAIDEN!

    100. mayan_moons on June 18th, 2007 10:55 pm

      Thank you for clearing that up hammer!

      Bottom line is Aruba Sucks and nobody wants to go there anymore!

      ___________________

      lol Maggie!

    101. Brie on June 18th, 2007 11:03 pm

      Thinking of why Paulus went to Miami….there is a Dutch Consulate there….but I guess we already know of it

      I also recall reading, a long time ago,, that Paulus and Joran visited the US, somewhere down south, to go shopping. I think this was before Joran became arrested. Probably saw an emergency plastic surgeon to conceal his scratches.

    102. JusticeforNatalee on June 18th, 2007 11:11 pm

      All it takes to fuel the boycott is
      to educate people about the case.

    103. mayan_moons on June 18th, 2007 11:11 pm

      LOL Carpe!~ I see the resemblence!

    104. Brie on June 18th, 2007 11:14 pm

      #102…Ditto !!!

    105. mia on June 18th, 2007 11:41 pm

      Dutch colonization pure and simple:

      An Aruban will become stateless if he gives up his Dutch nationality!

      I wish to give up my Dutch nationality

      How do I do that?

      You can only give up your Dutch nationality if you possess another nationality, in other words, if you have dual nationality. You may not become stateless through losing your Dutch nationality.
      If you live abroad, you can sign a declaration renouncing your Dutch nationality at the Dutch embassy or consulate. You must go to the embassy or consulate in person to sign the declaration, surrender your Dutch passport and pay the consular fees (€30). It is not possible to do this by post. Once you have signed the declaration you will be given confirmation by the embassy or consulate. If you have minor children, it is possible that they will lose their Dutch nationality too.
      If you live in the Netherlands, you can sign the declaration in the municipality where you reside.
      • http://www.minbuza.nl/en/welcome/DutchCitizens,dutch_nationality/i_wish_to_give_up_my_dutch_nationality_how_do_i_do_thatx.html

    106. yoyo muffintop on June 19th, 2007 1:03 am

      So Maggie – you know nothing about these “fishermen” I am too assume. Joran says he left her on the beach. Let’s see all the background info on the fishermen. Maybe 1 spent time for rape, one for murder, and one for kidnapping. Wouldn’t that be valuable info? I think you would be truly shocked at what you’d find. Might even make you go hmmmm.
      Can anybody answer since Maggie won’t – were the fishermen fishing that night and if not why were they there?

    107. Mike on June 19th, 2007 1:19 am

      ceccill,

      bye,bye,

      don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

    108. Roy on June 19th, 2007 2:54 am

      Yo Yo….Before you go further, don’t forget it was supposedly Joran’s idea to turn off on the road by the Marriot…..so then is it by chance that he shows up with Natalee at a place where you have a kidnapping fisherman, a murdering fisherman, and a rapist fisherman….Go ahead, shock me…what’s the 411, but another revision by Joran will be needed because he and Natalee supposedly went to them, not the other way around. Unless you yourself are fishing for pawns…. I don’t mean to sound cruel but it just doesn’t add up.

    109. Richard on June 19th, 2007 5:53 am

      What’s with all these posts about Aruban/Dutch nationality?

      This forum isn’t a legal seminar. It’s about Natalee Holloway.

      Brie (#101), I don’t see why of the Ditch would have to go to Miami to be in contact with a Dutch consulate. He’s one of the Dutch on Aruba, and would find it easy to get any info he wanted from back home, I think.

      Apparently that Miami trip was only a few months after Natalee’s disappearance. It’s hard for me to think that it isn’t related to her, though I could well be wrong.

      Remember, everyone, the New Orleans protest is coming up soon: June 27 to July 1. It’s the biggest yet in participants. Our movement is growing … and will not cease.

    110. Carpe Noctem on June 19th, 2007 7:48 am

      POSTER CHILDREN OF MENTAL HEALTH

      http://tinyurl.com/2cta9c

      -j4n

    111. katablog.com on June 19th, 2007 9:59 am

      ceccill: you forgot to leave a URL where we can find the improved tourism rates for Aruba!

      If Aruba is not hiding a crime (this includes the ALE, your government, etc.) why did we have a confession on June 10th, 2005 that “disappeared”? Why does van stratten know that Natalee is dead because he’s seen the evidence? Why was Natalee a corpse to Paulus from the start? Why did it take 2 years to search the sloots home? Why was Anita and Paulus busy redecorating while their son was in jail? How did blood in Deepak’s car turn to chocolate? Why was Joran’s belt tossed away without testing? Why did Janssen question our State Dept. about Beth’s supposed connection to Hitler – would that connection some how have solved what happened to her daughter? Why was the US FBI kept away from the case and offering any real help? Why did Aruba officials follow Dave Holloway everywhere he went on Aruba? Why would the priest not talk? Was Paulus at the ATM and if so, why?

      Come on answer: inquiring minds want to know.

    112. Warf on June 19th, 2007 12:03 pm

      While we’re asking questions, here’s another one:

      Why were 3 men so very confident they could pick up a female at the bar when appearing a half hour before close?

      IMO, the answer is: They had a secret method. It was so easy, and so sure. It had worked twenty times before.

    113. Susan on June 19th, 2007 1:08 pm

      #86 Postachild – Nope, I didn’t get all caught up in the Elizabeth Smart case, not like I have with Natalee’s disappearance. Guess it’s coz I’m from Alabama, not Colorado or whereever Smart is from.

      Maybe a little “gunslinging” or “mob mentality” is what we need to keep crime at a minimum. The “death penalty” evidently hasn’t done the trick…

    114. Rammstein on June 19th, 2007 3:56 pm

      why did we have a confession on June 10th, 2005 that “disappeared”?

      ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° °
      you mean the rumor that there was a confession? If there would have been a confession then the DA would have made that public, not some political mouthpiece from an unrelated government office.

    115. Carpe Noctem on June 19th, 2007 7:59 pm

      Blow me, Rammstein!

      Go tend to your blog for a while,

      or water your plants.

      I think you’re an idiot.

      You know NOT of what you speak… little man.

      I find there always to be

      two edges to your sword…

      and quite frankly,

      your circular reasoning

      drives me crazy

      coo-coo ape s9hit!

      ….

      You never come to a solution, you

      only introduce more problems! Aruba is

      chock full of more people just like you.

      Have you considered relocating? I hear the brutal,

      gang-raping, murdering Van der sloot family of BIFRONS

      have an apartment free! You can move in this week,

      if you do not mind the smell

      of bleach. -j4n

    116. Maggie on June 19th, 2007 9:00 pm

      Once again, 3 fishermen have never been suspects or arrested as suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway under the ALE or after the Dutch took over the case. Joran, Deepak and Satish are still the main suspects. The possible Killing, raping, kidnapping, priests/fisherman(your words just happen to be on the beach the same night once in her life Natalee decided she wanted to “stay on a dark beach at 3am alone. And you think some of the other stories here are far out???? Where’s all those people Joran said that was on the beach and the one’s they passed that night?? NONE, big fat zero, they were never on the beach.

      Satish July 3, 2005:

      On your question of what it was like on Monday, May 30, 2005, in the nighttime hours, when Deepak and I dropped off Joran and the missing American girl north of the Marriott, I can answer you the following:
      I cannot you say what it was like because I sat in my brother Deepak’s car. I also didn’t look up to see if there were clouds.

      You advise me that on Monday, 30 May 2005, in the nighttime hours three fishermen were on the beach north of the “Marriott hotel” and that they at no time had seen our car in the vicinity of the hotel. On your question how can I explain that, I will tell you the following:
      When Deepak’s car was parked at the north side of the Marriott hotel, Joran and the missing girl immediately stepped out and walked in the direction of the beach. The three men could not have seen Deepak and I because we did not walk to the beach. (With Joran the suspect Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT is meant; observation JACOBS).

      You inform me that these three men were on the beach north of the “Marriott hotel” for fishing and at no moment did they see Joran with the missing American “Natalee Ann HOLLOWAY” on the beach or near the beach converging separately.

    117. Dan in Tx on June 19th, 2007 11:40 pm

      Some here have said that Oduber ‘stans up against the Dutch’ for Aruba.

      Stands up for what? The drug trafficking and free trade ports that let drugs sail right in and out? The money laundering that the Clinton administration was so worried about? The anecdotal human trafficking that the State Department reports?

      The Arubans should be begging the Dutch to rescind status aparte…it’s their only chance to live free of fear.

    118. Compananzi on June 19th, 2007 11:51 pm

      After a hiatus of several months, I see the list of suspect or eyewitness have grown….Has anyone kept a current timeline of all the witnesses that have come and gone? If you take into account all the people it Seems that on that night there might have been 30 plus people involved either directly or indirectly…as possible perps or eyewitnesses… Which on surface seems a stretch..

    119. Susan on August 27th, 2007 6:00 pm

      Do some research, folks. The Natalee Holloway debacle has hurt Aruba.

      The annual report for 2006 published 7/13/07 by The Centrale Bank van Aruba reports tourism nights down by 3.9% from 2005 to 2006, and number of stay-over visitors down 5.2%.

      (http://www.cbaruba.org/cba/readBlob.do?id=1069)

      While the percentages may not seem to be big numbers, tourism accounts for 74% of Aruba’s monetary receipts. Even these small drops in tourism drove inflation up 3%, the island’s economic growth stopped, and unemployment accelerated. Aruba’s foreign debt, already considered excessive by the IMF for their ruling country, The Netherlands, also went up another 9%.

      Aruba is indeed a beautiful island with generally friendly people. But the actions by government officials were more than a strategic error. The way the investigation was handled has smeared Aruba permanently.

      A four-time Aruba tourist – - but never again

    120. beebww on November 10th, 2008 4:30 pm

      it just has no independence

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