So Arubans will Protest Conservation but Not Corruption & Incompetence in Natalee Holloway Case


We have learned that Arubans are capable of peaceful civil disobedience and are capable of protest. They are capable of protesting against those that would endanger nature conservation and over-build hotels on Aruba. This they find important. The fact that their island’s economy has been in a downward spiral since 2005 and continues to flounder is somehow an unimportant issue to protest. The fact that an American tourist, Natalee Holloway, went missing on their island and the investigation that followed bordered on a joke at best is somehow not worthy of their protest.

Thank you for letting us know what really is important in Aruba.

Amigoe, June 5, 2007: Demonstration to keep Arashi    

ORANJESTAD – More than 75 people took part in the protest meeting for the preservation of the coastal area Arashi and for the nature conservation in this area.     The action was organized by Stimaruba.   The instance did this as a result of recent reports about plans to build a hotel near Punto Arashi.          

Stimaruba says that a February 2006 publication of Coastal Zone Management, a public-private project for the conservation of coast and sea, mentions that the area is intended for recreation only.   Besides, Stimaruba is of the opinion that the island has sufficient hotels already.   Considering the plans, it seems like there doesn’t come an end to the build of more hotels and apartments.   Tourists do not really like a destination with a lot of traffic, and with that increasing CO2-emission and more and more roads that need to be maintained.     According to Stimaruba-chairwoman Olinda Rasmijn, Arashi is the only reasonable unspoiled area where not only the locals go to enjoy, but also tourists; this area is also the breeding place for some species of birds that have disappeared from the rest of the island.      

The protest meeting was held on the parking lot near the beach of Arashi and started at 11:00.   Several members of Stimaruba gave speeches on the preservation of the area.   After that, the public were given the opportunity to say something.   “Since the nineties, we as Aruban citizens had to make way for hotels.   The only beaches that are left for us to go to are the far-off ones like Arashi and Baby Beach .   But we are the ones that have been allowing this all along.   When we are talking about pollution, we have to look at ourselves.     The Aruban citizen suffers from the Nimby-syndrome (Not in my backyard)”, said one of the protestors.    


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  • The Natalee Holloway Prayer Chain
  • Mother of Missing Teen Apologizes

  • Comments

    134 Responses to “So Arubans will Protest Conservation but Not Corruption & Incompetence in Natalee Holloway Case”

    1. Brie on June 5th, 2007 2:46 pm

      You’re not only going to over-run with hotels, traffic, pollution, destruction of nature, what about, if you haven’t noticed the number of immigrants coming to Aruba, not tourists. Latin America and Caribbean islands represent the main flow. Many are trying to move from the influx of HIV/AIDS, Brazil mentioned as being one of them.

      In the years 2003 thru 2006 the population remained almost the same, 71,891, for 2007, expected immigration will rise to 39.12%. A total of 100,018 people. As this progresses the natives of Aruba will represent the minority. So, I guess it’s good-bye to Aruba for it once was.

    2. SPIDERMAN on June 5th, 2007 2:58 pm

      let it sink

      i hate the WHOLE %^%W^%^%$^%##^%^garbage trash filled ISLAND


    3. SPIDERMAN on June 5th, 2007 3:00 pm

      “welcome to CRAP ISLAND, how may we KILL you ”


      what bunch of SCUM sucking MORONIN GUTLESS FREAKS

    4. Jennifer on June 5th, 2007 3:08 pm

      Sigh. Yes, those environmentally conscious people!! How dare they. How dare they protest more development on land they think is worth preserving.

      But, wait. What is this now? They’re protesting against the government plans to develop the area? Well, then. There you have it. They are protesting against the government.

      Despite belief to the contrary, the world did not come to a grinding halt because Natalee went missing two years ago. Life goes on with or without the Americans boycotting the place. It’s human nature. I’m sure these 75 people really thought they were doing something important. And I am even more certain they weren’t doing it implicitly or explicitly to “not protest for Natalee.” Are these people supposed to not eat or go to work or do anything until the government takes action? That’s unrealistic. Here’s where I get lost again in the perspective. Doesn’t make sense.

      (BTW, what percentage of the population is that anyway? Less than a hundreth of one percent?)

    5. Jennifer on June 5th, 2007 3:21 pm

      Yes spiderman. The garbage filled island sinking is the answer. That will certainly bring closure and justice. Yup.

    6. Kat_Gram on June 5th, 2007 3:37 pm

      Pave paradise and put up a parking lot. Joni Mitchell
      Smart move Aruba..

    7. SPIDERMAN on June 5th, 2007 3:43 pm

      Jennifer, yes. its the way that will work

      SPIDY says so :)

    8. Brie on June 5th, 2007 4:19 pm

      Well let’s see, if every one of the 75 participants who protested brought 4,313 people to the next meeting that would represent a 60% majority.

      I believe our concern in this, we would of appreciated any number of people from Aruba that would have protested against the government and the ALE to help find Natalee and see justice served.

      There are many young women missing and we sorry and sad for each and everyone..but in Natalee’s case the pursuit of her parents, in light of everything going wrong, remained strong and hopeful. All the sleepless nights resulting from griep and perservance, continued to strive for the love of their child. Beth and Dave have contributed much to our society to help educate and protect the young people of today. And for those various reasons it’s obvious the ocase of Natalee would receive more attention.

    9. Miss-Underestimated on June 5th, 2007 4:24 pm

      Ya never know, baby steps….Maybe some of the citizens are not liking the taste after drinking that Aruban Koolade.

      BTW Aruba when you brush your teeth to eliminate that foul taste of the goverment issued koolade, check where your tooth paste is from.

    10. Richard on June 5th, 2007 4:28 pm

      Well, preserving the environment is certainly a worthy goal.

      Let’s do our part to help.

      Let’s avoid Aruba like the plague (that it is), persuade others to avoid it, make clear that we will not give our business to airlines and hotels, etc., that are on Aruba, and attend rallies (like the one coming up in New Orleans at the end of the month) urging people to stay away.

      Then everyone’s goals are met.

      The Arubans will have their environment … and their island to themselves. Oh yes, and the drug dealers and white slavers who come over from the continent.

      And the money launderers.

      But not the American tourists.

      Let’s do our part!

    11. Brie on June 5th, 2007 4:29 pm

      Who do we know that likes the limelight, who do we know that likes to twist and turn things, upside down right side up, cause malice, thrives on sadistic accusations?


      SM:   Julia Renfro comes to mind (klaasend)

    12. 10061906 on June 5th, 2007 4:49 pm

      Interview With Cromvoirt Acquaintance
      Though currently studying abroad, I was able to establish contact and do a brief phone interview with a young American girl acquainted with current detainee in the Natalee Holloway investigation, Geoffrey van Cromvoirt.
      She is still somewhat shaken by news of his arrest, particularly as it was June 9th, 2005, the night Joran Van der Sloot and the two Kalpoe brothers were arrested, when she met GVC at Carlos and Charlies. She was able to provide the day of the week, Thursday, which matches with the night of the three boys arrests. After speaking with her, I’ve no reason to doubt her veracity.
      GVC was alone at Carlos and Charlies that night keeping mostly to himself. She could only remember him saying hello to one other person passing by that night in the club. After some initial eye contact, it was she who approached GVC. He immediately appeared to open up.
      One item of possible interest, he told her that he worked during the day taking tourists out on a Catamaran. While I have no way of ascertaining it was the same catamaran, I do recall photos taken by the Mountain Brook students showing that they did take such a trip.
      GVC struck her as something of a self promoter, constantly talking about himself, his many connections and his family’s supposed wealth. She also recalled seeing images of some famous individuals he had stored in his cell phone, noting that GVC did not appear with those people in said pictures. Still, he insisted they were friends.
      On another night, she may have been less receptive to the seemingly brash young man, but she found him attractive, she was on vacation and the two eventually danced. She indicated that there were no drugs involved, though both were drinking. At some point, GVC offered her a ride to her hotel and a male friend of the young woman went along.
      GVC did apparently brag about being involved with security, trying to exert some pressure on a hotel guard to acknowledge who he was. The guard apparently failed to acknowledge him in any significant manner. She believes he was driving a jeep at the time, possibly blue and that he also mentioned a recent or pending purchase of a truck, color unknown.
      Back at her hotel, it was decided that he would leave behind his ID and possibly some other wallet contents with her friends as security before the two went back out alone together. They spent approximately a half an hour or so together, primarily on the beach. The only potentially unusual thing she noticed during their time on the beach was that he might have been a bit nervous, looking about – at one point claiming he saw a security guard coming. She could not see a guard.
      After some time on the beach his cell phone started ringing but he did not answer it. She believes it rang several times in succession, possibly as many as seven times. When she inquired about the calls, he stated that it was his Mother and that he had to get home. He kept reiterating, he had to go. She was puzzled at this as she believed him to be 19 years old at the time.
      After a night of being extremely talkative, mostly about himself, she did eventually ask him in a casual way about the Natalee Holloway case. She feels very strongly that it was at that point his demeanor significantly changed. He almost completely stopped talking while the two were walking, swiftly now, back to her hotel.
      She asked a few different questions … if he knew of the case, of those involved, what was it that he thought. But he did not answer any of those questions, or change the topic. He mostly just stopped talking at all. They returned to her hotel, a friend brought down his things and that was the last she saw of him until his recent arrest.

    13. mayan_moons on June 5th, 2007 4:55 pm

      What kept the coverage of Natalee going so strong and so long is the Aruban Officials themselves, their doublespeak and promises of justice being done and the most bizarre statements they made on tv like Dompig “telling American’s to HOLD YOUR BREATH as something is about to happen” and Carin Jansen saying “Watch for the fireworks America” and Nadira telling us that everyone on Aruba lies…even the Big people.

      They did more to keep the spotlight on themselves with those comments than Beth & Dave did!

    14. 10061906 on June 5th, 2007 5:10 pm

      Another reason why the US gov’t is quiet..
      But the island is full of drug peddlers..
      Caribbean FOL (Aruba-Curacao, The Netherlands Antilles)

      Aruba-Curacao provides effective, rapid response operations in the northern source zone, which includes the Guajira Peninsula of Colombia and the Venezuelan border region, as well as a large part of the transit zone. The location provides United States, Dutch, and United Kingdom Maritime Patrol Aircraft (MPA) quick access to Caribbean drug smuggling corridors, where U.S., U.K., French, and Dutch surface vessels are positioned to help interdict air and maritime drug trafficking targets. The formal 10-year access agreement with the Kingdom of the Netherlands was signed in March 2000 and the Netherlands’ parliament ratified the agreement in October 2001. Both FOLs required minor construction improvements to include aircraft parking ramps, maintenance, and operations buildings. Counterdrug flights were made from these locations even as improvements were being made. To date, the Aruba FOL has seen limited improvement and use while the Curacao FOL has received all required improvements to include ramp space for two large, two medium, and six small aircraft, a fresh water rise facility, a maintenance hangar, and an operations building.

    15. Katablog on June 5th, 2007 5:19 pm

      >>They did more to keep the spotlight on themselves with those comments than Beth & Dave did!>>>
      Got that right Mayan_Moons – read my response to Jennifer (approx. #74)on the other thread.

      It was Aruba’s ODD behavior that kept Natalee in the news, not “white girl syndrome”.

    16. sharon on June 5th, 2007 5:35 pm


      Still here?

      Sidallee is calling you. Your new hard drive is ready. lol

    17. Sharon Chicago on June 5th, 2007 5:44 pm

      Just saw FOX news mentioning that Beth and John Ramsey are seeing each other romatically…

      They were spotted holding hands and kissing…

      I pray it is true….You go girl!!

      Beth it is time for you to be loved and cherished!!

      God’s best to you…

    18. nurturer on June 5th, 2007 6:08 pm


    19. Carpe Noctem on June 5th, 2007 6:37 pm




      Double that!


      Yo, Sidalee & Renhoe-ski ,

      May all of your toothpaste come from China…

      u galloping f-tardos.

      Enjoy your broadcast day! -j4n

    20. mayan_moons on June 5th, 2007 6:42 pm

      You are Righton Katablog! Just read your post and its the absolute truth! Aruban reporters, police, official spokesperson’s did more to make Aruba look like an island of bafoons and idiots than we could EVER do!!~

    21. JusticeforNatalee on June 5th, 2007 6:44 pm


      Are you aware that some Arubans protested against Beth?
      That’s right, protested against a distraught mother.

    22. mayan_moons on June 5th, 2007 6:48 pm

      LOL Carpe!~

      Say cheeese girls with a toothy grin!

    23. mayan_moons on June 5th, 2007 6:59 pm

      It didn’t take long to see that the reason Aruban spokesperson’s and Official’s and Police were dancing like fools was to hide the ugly diabolical truth about Aruba & the shabby, shameful way they treat visiting victims of crime.

    24. Janet on June 5th, 2007 7:02 pm

      17. Sharon Chicago

      John Ramsey has released a statement to the media refuting the reports the Beth Twitty and he are romantically involved.

      Entire article can be accessed at:,2933,277718,00.html
      John Ramsey and Beth Holloway Twitty Are Dating
      June 04, 2007

      HOWEVER …

      The entire article can be accessed at:
      John Ramsey and mother of missing teen girl have special friendship
      June 4, 2007

    25. dave on June 5th, 2007 7:10 pm

      I’m not sure what planet you came from but after reading some of your despicable posts I’m damn sure your not of the human race.

    26. KrisG on June 5th, 2007 8:42 pm

      The LA Times editor should read a copy of Dave Holloway’s book and a translation of Joran’s book before they write any more on Natalee’s disappearance. Joran confirms in his own words what a low-life he is. Drinking, gambling, sexual liasons with tourists, cheating on his girlfriends and sneaking out to Carlos ‘n Charlies after saying goodnight to his parents. All of this since the age of 14!

      From Dave’s book they will learn that he searched the island’s dump in temperatures in the 90s for his daughter’s body day after day with help from only Jossy Mansur who provided some earth moving equipment. He arrived one day to find that any progress he made was pushed back into the hole with backhoes.

      Richard, katablog and Pearl your responses to the LA Times were eloquent. You touched all bases. I’ll be sending my opinons too. I hope all get printed in the Letters to the Editor. Perhaps they’ll hear from John Q. Kelly too.

      Natalee, we haven’t forgotten you and will not stand by while people try to blame you for what happened.

    27. Richard on June 5th, 2007 8:57 pm

      I think the media coverage of Beth and Charles Ramsey is totally infantile. News of the divorce was important, because it showed the continuing tragedy caused by Natalee’s disappearance.

      But what business is it of anyone if Beth and this guy, or Beth and anyone else, have a date?

      Is this junior high school or something?

      Let them talk about Paris Hilton … LEAVE BETH ALONE.

      On another note … there’s an interesting article in The Wall Street Journal for today (June 4, page A5).

      “Terror Watch Looks South of U.S.”

      The foiling of an alleged plot to attack New York’s (JFK airport) is sharpening focus among law-enforcement agencies on the potential threats from within Islamic communities in the Caribbean and Latin America.


      …U.S. Justice Department officials … said they were intensifying their focus on the potential for attacks coming from the Caribbean and Latin America.”

      It goes on about the possible threat to maritime traffic bringing in oil and natural gas.

      I’m wondering if Aruba has positioned itself to be a U.S. “ally” in the fight against terrorism (at least, before Rudy Croes and his outburst).

      After all, it’s ideally situated to keep tabs on Venezuela.
      And it’s more affluent than many other countries in the region, and hardly seems to be Islamic in nature.

      Could this be why Washington has been totally mum in the Natalee case? Does it mean our government will be even more docile in the future?

      I hope not. I really hope not.

    28. Waterboy (Jerry) on June 5th, 2007 9:04 pm

      To all,

      I know this is really going to sound simplistic, and it may very well be. We are dealing with 3 very simple minds here. That Joran killed Natalee, I have no doubt. How it happen I can only speculate. Maybe he hit her; maybe he O.D. her. Maybe he chocked her or strangled her; maybe he duck taped her mouth, and she aspirated. Anyway, it is my best guess that all 3 of the original perps were present when Natalee died. There were probable others there too. I feel 1906′s list is fairly accurate.

      Once Natalee died, maybe at the sloot house; maybe on the car ride to the house; perhaps at the lighthouse restaurant; the three main suspects had to hide her body. They knew they would be found, because too many people saw Natalee get in the car; and there was evidence on the body that would prove it was not a simple overdose or an accident.

      There had been several cases in the U.S.A, where someone had murdered someone else and thrown the body in the trash, and all would have never been discovered if it had not been for a confession. The three thought that would be a good idea, so they drove around until they found an isolated dumpster (if there are not trash dumpsters on Aruba, this whole idea is not legitimate). They found one behind the racket club. They wrapped Natalee’s body in plastic to hide her, put her in the container and put other items over her to hide from view. They then became concerned that someone might discover her body, so they pulled off in the distance to make sure the trash truck picked up the dumpster before anyone found the body. This is where the gardener saw them.

      Dr. Hodges said that Joran told how he went back some 16 hours later to see if Natalee was still there. If the trash truck never came that night, this statement makes sense, since Joran went back by the trash dumpster to see if her body was still there. He even stayed in the area, playing tennis with the Wever Kid for hours the next night (I think).

      When Paulus was finally told what had happen, he made the no body, no crime statement. When Joran told him that they had put Natalee’s body in a dumpster, Paulus knew that the landfill is a place they would search, so he got the three to go to the landfill and look for Natalee’s body. My guess is that they found her body, and that is when Junior saw them. He thought they were leaving the body, but they were really taking it. They made it look like they were leaving the body when Junior saw them, and they either moved the body to a different part of the landfill, or took the body with them.

      I know this sounds like I’m contradicting myself about Natalee being in the landfill. I know it sounds that way, but I still believe she is there.


    29. sharon on June 5th, 2007 9:13 pm

      #12 10061906

      I read that earlier. And had to come back and read it again.

      There is one statement in there that just gives me a bad feeling…

      “The only potentially unusual thing she noticed during their time on the beach was that he might have been a bit nervous, looking about – at one point claiming he saw a security guard coming. She could not see a guard”.

      What’s the deal with security guards? Part of the MO of the operation?

    30. 10061906 on June 5th, 2007 9:21 pm

      Where have we read this before?
      (The Black Team is a special force in Aruba that patrols amongst others beaches. Fully armed to the teeth, in black, with black hoods, with black SUV’s and ATV’s.)
      Where have we read about black uniforms?
      Where have we read about Security personnel in black?
      What is the name of the security company?
      Who owns excuse me who started the company?
      What company has installed security cameras in the Holiday Inn and Excelsior
      Who used to work for it?
      Who was called in on suspicion of heavy battery, kidnapping and rape?
      Why was this person let go? (fired)
      Who was arrested for selling drugs?
      Who groped and slapped Natalee at C N C’s?
      What gave that person the idea that he could take liberties with Natalee and get away with it?
      Who is blond, blue eye and Dutch?
      Who ratted on this blue eye blond Dutch boy?
      What logo was on the sport shirt found with the glasses, tape, foam with teeth marks and a container of unidentified liquid in Weg Fontaine?

      I drove in the direction of the Holiday Inn.
      I heard the car door open and turned around to see who got out. I saw that Joran held the girls at her shoulders and started to walk in the direction of the lobby. I saw the girl turned to Joran and pushed him away. Etc…. The last thing I saw was the girl walk up to a large dark man, who was wearing a black T shirt and carried a walkie talkie in his hands” . Quote Deepak. He never said that Natalee went into the lobby. Therefore she would not have appeared on any videos.
      The security guards at the HI I believe wore khaki colored T shirts.
      Does anyone follow what I’m thinking?
      Perhaps they knew who it was and changed his skin color to hid his identity.
      Go back to 12 and start over.

    31. ayfit on June 5th, 2007 9:29 pm

      Bloggers,you won’t believe upcomming news-Say it ain’t so!


      SM:   And what news would that be? (klaasend)

    32. 10061906 on June 5th, 2007 9:38 pm

      28 Continued: When this person was arrested and brought into the police stattion, what was he wearing?
      I still go back to revenge as a motive.

    33. 10061906 on June 5th, 2007 9:55 pm

      Look real close, zoom in at one point there is a male in a suit. You have Ruth, then Natalee, then one who resembles Paulus, this male and the dealer.
      It looks as if he is either taking or putting something on the table. He is obviously not a gambler, nor tourist if he has on a suit.
      Does anyone have better eyes and can tell what is going on?

    34. Gabriel Leo on June 5th, 2007 10:34 pm

      # 27 My Compliments to you Sir for finally understanding the position of your State Department! ;) .

      The coverage of Beth and Ramsey is all of the suddan infantile? Sir, infantile is when a protest by a small group here on the island is of such importance to be posted on this site. Or talking about the reasons why Minister of Justice Rudy Croes is in Colombia and saying he’s hiding, never to come back blah blah. That sir is infantile!!
      Infantile is when one wants to see the sun shine in the middle of the night and believe that the world is just one big conspiracy!!

    35. serenity on June 5th, 2007 10:39 pm

      How can I register for the forum again?



      SM:   Email either Red or Tom from the link on the front page of SM and ask them if you can join.   Let them know what nickname you want to use.   They will set you up and email you back. (klaasend)

    36. JusticeforNatalee on June 5th, 2007 10:43 pm


      Infantile is when you come on the board and can only
      spout out “oooohhh-ahhhhh” but don’t have the guts
      to answer the important questions posed to you.

    37. Gabriel Leo on June 5th, 2007 10:49 pm

      # 36 Bring on the questions!

    38. Waterboy (Jerry) on June 5th, 2007 11:11 pm


      Does he take a poker chip?


    39. Waterboy (Jerry) on June 5th, 2007 11:21 pm

      1906 #33,

      It appears that he puts something down, and he takes something.
      It appears that he puts something down about the size of a check (you see it flash when his hand is about 18 inches from the table), and he picks something up about the size of a poker chip. Follow the area of the table later (after he leaves). You see some eye movement from Paulus?, but he never reaches for the object. Maybe he does later. We don’t have much of the tape. Look behind the Wever kid, what are the two guys doing? The guy in the suit is dressed just like they are. I thought it was a split screen at first, but then the guy you are talking about just walks right through the split, and part of Paulus shirt is on both sides of the division. None of the other tables have someone sitting behind the dealer. What are we seeing?


    40. Waterboy (Jerry) on June 5th, 2007 11:23 pm


      It appears that he gives Paulus some information, and receives payment in the form of a poker chip.


    41. Rob on June 5th, 2007 11:42 pm

      Gabe were you or were you not at the VDS home on the first nite when Beth arrived?

    42. driving miss daisy on June 5th, 2007 11:42 pm

      Leo, Sir, considering the significant investments our country has in Aruba, why would the behavior of your country not be of import to us, and why would Aruba not be of concern given its proximity to Trinidad, home to known terrorist activity and Venezuela, home to the latest and most significant dictator on our side of the Continent. Is this not of concern to you and do our policies not concern you being the leader of the free world? If the answer to any and/or all these questions is negative, then I do not suppose you have no interest in the past, present or future.

    43. Mortella on June 5th, 2007 11:44 pm


      Were you one of the parties with Charles Croes the first night the Twittys arrived in Aruba?

      Why was no forensic evidence taken from the three last seen with Natalee Holloway in a timely manner?

      Thank you in advance for your willingness to answer questions for us.


    44. Mortella on June 5th, 2007 11:48 pm


      Have you ever posted here under a different name?

      Have you posted as Shango, Simian, or any of the so-called Code Talkers?

      Thank you again


    45. driving miss daisy on June 5th, 2007 11:48 pm

      Mr. Leo. This is probably more personal than you wish to answer and if so, please — you can ignore it, but you could put a lot to rest for the Monkeys. Are you or have you, or are you acquainted with the authors of the Shango and/or Simian posts here on SM. If the answer to this is yes, then what do you know or suppose to be the purpose of them? Fun, games, providing information, confusing the posters. Your answers are appreciated and I respect if you do not wish to answer.

    46. Mortella on June 5th, 2007 11:50 pm

      #39 Waterboy,
      That is most likely the Paulus twin leaving a poker chip as tip which is customary in casinos?

    47. Lala'sMom on June 5th, 2007 11:56 pm

      Question for Gabe Leo.
      Are you a member of the MEP? Did you participate in way in the writings of Shango? Did you work with Albert Groenveldt at the airport? Have you ever spoken with Dave Holloway while on Aruba?

    48. toler on June 5th, 2007 11:58 pm

      Gabe, is Julia Renfro married to Patrick Boset? If not, who?

    49. Lala'sMom on June 5th, 2007 11:59 pm

      MR LEO,
      It has been claimed that you are the original Shango. Please elaborate on Dirty Hand for us. Is it Rudy Croes or Jan van der Straaten?

    50. Grande on June 6th, 2007 12:06 am


      First, thanks for taking the time to offer your assistance given all the speculation some of which revolved around yourself.

      Please consider emailing me @ I would like to have the opportunity to make a few inquiries as well.


    51. CBB on June 6th, 2007 12:07 am

      Mr. Leo?
      Do you have any knowledge of what happened to Natalee the night she disappeared, and if you do, would you please tell us?

    52. toler on June 6th, 2007 12:13 am

      Gabe, do you know if the Dutch team are actually investigating the Natalee murder or is a front to investigate Croes, corruption, etc?

    53. driving miss daisy on June 6th, 2007 12:21 am

      Mr. Gabe. You came to our house, invited us to sit with you, to play a game. You hold the cards, and dealt. Game is over. Good to meet your acquaintance. It appears someone won and someone lost, but only by default.

    54. Mortella on June 6th, 2007 12:25 am

      As a law student, can you tell us more about lying in an investigation being permitted by not only suspects but members of their family? Doesn’t that render taking their statements pretty useless?

      Also, if forensic or what they are calling “hard” evidence is the only kind permitted in court under Dutch law, how can one explain why that is the very kind ALE refused to collect from those last seen with Natalee? Logically, one would think that would be the first kind to take.

      Do you feel that the disappearance of Natalee Holloway was investigated in a professional manner and if not, why not? Is there not rampant evidence of collusion, preferential treatment and corruption in the manner in which this was conducted? For example, the arrest of the security guards but allowing the more obvious suspicious ones to go free for almost two weeks.

      Thanks in advance.

    55. Gabriel Leo on June 6th, 2007 12:29 am

      # 41 No I was not at VDS House. You don’t believe me, MS. Twitty can answer that.

      # 43 I don’t know who Charles Croes is and I wasn’t no were near the Twitty’s that night, or any time in the time from then on. I’m sure if you ask Twitty’s or Holloway who I am if they ever met with me or saw me, they would give you a big ” Who’s that”!
      On your Q about forensic, I don’t know! I have voiced my concern in the past before about Dutch Authorities being involved in this case and also seeing how close they are to the Main suspect who’s hiding now in Holland. Everyone here seems to overlook the fact that neither Van der Straten is on the island anymore, and neither Karen Jansen and also no one seems to bother with the decision that (I’m not mistaken) Prime Minister Oduber of Minister of Justice Rudy Croes gave an order to pull Van der Straten from the case from day one, because of his involvement with Mr. Liar Joran. Never posted under another nickname and why should I. I stand for what I say and anyone can read what I post and know Exactly who I am. Goes especially for every local person who reads or also posts from my island. I also believe that those who run this blogg can see who logs in, which IP adress etc.

      # 45
      as I said before. Always post with this name and to be honest haven’t seen anything posted by shango or anyone else like you claim. Have a link for me to see, would be much apreciated.

      # 47
      I’m not a member of the MEP-party. As I said before this is first time hearing of shango etc. Never posted under another name and don’t have no reason to do so. But again a link to those comments would be appreciated.
      I did work with Alberto Groenenveld at the Airport, but that is at the US-arrival / Departure area (MAIN terminal) Alberto worked / or Worked at the time the Twitty’s arrived on the island at the special area for private jets (General Aviation). To tell you the truth didn’t even know he was the one who escorted them to VDS house that night until after sometime when he asked me if I knew My name was being mentioned by you guys as one who was with him on that night. Which he then followed to tell me the tale of what happened that night.
      At the airport I worked for ATA (which stands not for Aruban Tourism Authority but for American Transais, Flying out of Chicago Midway), Also worked for US-Airways and for the ground handler company which handles most of the US-charters.
      Finally, never Met Dave Holloway in person, at the airport or any of the other time when they were flying US-airways to Aruba.

      # 42 Don’t understand you Q.

    56. Gabriel Leo on June 6th, 2007 12:29 am

      ahhh more Q so I see.

    57. Lala'sMom on June 6th, 2007 12:33 am

      MR. LEO
      I have waited patiently for you to offer your assistance and this is what I get for all my trouble? Nothing? Yes, the Gabe has left the building.

    58. Gabriel Leo on June 6th, 2007 12:47 am

      # 48
      I don’t live the life of Mrs. Renfro. All I know is that she is editor / writer of Aruba Today.

      Again with the Shango. Already answered that. Now about Minister Croes and Van der Straaten, what you talking about?

      # 50
      Just to be clear I’m just a local here who is giving his personal opinion. Does not reflect majority of Arubans neither opinion of any government official. If still interested then I might consider contacting you.

      Have no knowledge but just speculations. All which have been voiced by many of you on this blogg. Bottom line is THOSE three suspects including the father know what happened, but have been too clever enough to get rid of the last link which makes the circle round. THAT’s where the focus has to be. Not on a protest on my island, or a Minister of Justice who went to Columbia to be the best man at a wedding of an Aruban who got married with a Columbian.

      I don’t know. Since they arrived they have been very secretive. And Besides why must Croes be investigated? Because Jossy said so? Despite of all what he has done for you guys (feed you with info you want to hear, my personal opinion why you guys like him so much is that he runs and tells you everything despite it being correct of wrong information and to be honest that is for me just sensationalism), I have no respect for this man what so ever. He is the one who started all the stories about Helicopters coming to Aruba and taking Natalee away, a crab Cage which went missing, the gardener which appeared then no one ever heard of him. He even brought the news out about Beth being involved with Ramsey. He printed that article in his paper, which we all are smart enough to not believe it.

    59. driving miss daisy on June 6th, 2007 12:51 am

      Gabe, my question was in response to your concern that we as Americans were detailing or concerning ourselves with the events of Aruba. I can tell you, we have interests there. The state of Alabama has interests there, monetary, that has to do with state employees retirement and many of our citizens have time shares, etc., there. We as a country have invested much in the future of Aruba. Our investments have offered a better lifestyle for the island. It was in cooperation with the Dutch, who are on most occasions, our partners and allies, that we do this so that we help them by helping your island. We stand to gain for it bonds a trust as there are very dire threats to both our continent and to that nearest you, South American – via Venezuela which should be concerning to all Arubans. We stand by our allies, the Dutch, and by Aruba. Our presence is in the best interests of all of us. Aruba has never had any better friend than the USA. IT is wise to polish that friendship, to court the Americans and stop this insanity from people like Julia Renfro whose only interest is day-to-day, who can fly back to the USA if she is threatened. She is deceitful to Arubans, because she has the ability to leave Aruba if her interests or safety are threatened. Those Arubans who are anchored there do not have that ability.

    60. Lala'sMom on June 6th, 2007 12:53 am

      MR LEO Thank you for answering some of our questions. I was told that you admitted that you wrote the Shango verses. I have also been told and shown evidence of the location of Shango’s verses originating. Are you saying that you are NOT Shango? You have absolutely no knowledge of Shango in any way? Do you a young man by the name of Jairo Dirksen? Is he a friend of yours? I am eagerly awaiting your response.

    61. Lala'sMom on June 6th, 2007 1:01 am

      Mr. Leo,
      What I want to know is this… you have been linked to being the character known as Shango. Since you claim to have no knowledge of said character. Are you the person that was friends with or related in some manner to a young man by the name of Albert Vjrolik? It is my understanding that you know this man.

    62. Kat_Gram on June 6th, 2007 1:02 am

      What did Alberto tell you of that night ?

    63. CBB on June 6th, 2007 1:12 am

      Gabe: Thanks for answering our curiosity! I would be interested in your personal opinion of what you think happened the night Natalee disappeared?

    64. Mortella on June 6th, 2007 1:22 am


      Didn’t you post here once that your family helped found the MEP Party and you were very proud of that? I thought there were photos of you on your My Space or elsewhere on the internet in an MEP parade.

      Or are you not a member despite your family being MEP? You do not follow their lead in this regard?

    65. Gabriel Leo on June 6th, 2007 1:42 am

      # 59
      I agree on your point that Aruba’s best Alli has been the US. No DOUBT ABOUT THAT!
      About the so called threat, I PERSONALLY feel that there isn’t a threat to Aruba. This has been voiced by the Government (unlike what Jossy said or mentioned). It’s very simple. It has been voiced before by the Prime Minister himself, Aruba can not have ties with Venezuela, due to our ties with the US (this was said when a proposal came from an opposition party which said to joining Venezuelan program for Cheaper oil and fuel so that Arubans can get more fuel for their money, Petrobras if I’m not mistaken). He Specifically said: We cannot be involved with anything from Venezuela and still be friends with the US. Now, foreign policy is managed by the Kingdom of the Netherlands. Like it or not Aruba is a neighbor of Venezuela and has to be in calm waters with Venezuela. Like it or not Chavez is elected democratically and is in office democratically. Now if he’s doing allot of things which one cannot agree with is true, but in the end it’s a country which Aruba has NO problem with and negotiates diplomatically with when necessary either directly of indirect. The states also does have diplomatic contact with Venezuela, this even though Chavez despises your President Bush (not the American People so he said).
      Bottom line is US Coast guard frequently visit the island, they have free passage between Aruba and other islands of Netherlands Antilles and the US also have US jets / planes to keep an eye on what’s going on the region. (US Custom and immigration is here for a reason! American Embassy is in Curacao for a reason). So does the Netherlands with their coast guards (Aruba and Neth. Antilles Coast Guard) and their planes and jets.
      Regards to Julia Renfor, I read the article in the LA Times, I disagree with her points about the three being innocent, but then again she based her point on her encounters and findings.
      Hope that’s enough answer to your reaction

      # 60
      Again with the Shango. Already answered that ;)
      The name Jairo Dirksen doesn’t ring a bell!! Until someone on this blogg (Carpe noktem or Howard) started making up stories of me suddenly living in the US, of me being in court for speeding, my pic with this Jairo Dirksen. When I saw the pic the only thing that came to mind is I’ve seen him years back when I was in high school. Other than that don’t know him and don’t know why I should know him.

      Again with the Shango. Seriously, I would like to see post of him / her!
      Albert Vrolijk (that’s the last Name know on the island). Nope don’t know him. Why is this name of importance?

      What he told me was that he and someone else went with Twitty to search for the house. He told me that they met a man, who claims to be a psychic on the island and told me he felt very uncomfortable being with the man, because the psychic gave him the creeps. He then went to the VDS house where he had to jump the wall in order to get a license plate number or something like that. He the told me that Jugg met with Paul that night (If I do recall right Paul arrived home that night at that time) and got in an argument where he and his friend had to get between the both of them because Jugg went Ballistic on Paul asking him on the spot were his Natalee is.
      And if I recall right, he then drove Twitty’s around (police station, hotel etc) and that was it. I asked him if he gave a report about what happened. He told me yes and that was that story.

      Being a voter and a member are two different things.

      O.K. that’s all for tonight!

    66. Mortella on June 6th, 2007 1:42 am


      Here is a link to the postings by the code-talking Shango Character and his sidekick Simian within the SM Forum:

      This is who some are asking if you were posting as in the past soon after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

    67. Grande on June 6th, 2007 1:43 am


      Thanks for the response on all accounts. Please do consider emailing me when you have the opportunity, I would be very grateful.

      Thanks again.

    68. Gabriel Leo on June 6th, 2007 1:58 am

      Thnx for the link, will view them


    69. Mortella on June 6th, 2007 2:01 am


      Thanks for all your answers. Maybe there are more things about all this you can share with us later.

    70. mayan_moons on June 6th, 2007 2:03 am

      How old are Julia’s kids?

    71. mayan_moons on June 6th, 2007 2:37 am

      Just wondering if her kids were pimpin age like Jurine.

    72. Carpe Noctem on June 6th, 2007 4:02 am

      Yo Gabe,

      What is Pi to the sixth digit?

      Is it true Melvil Dewey invented his
      famous ‘Decimal System’ due to his
      old lady not putting out for a whole

      Does Rudy Croes’ new toupee violate
      current Aruban Leash Laws?

      Dude –

      If Rudy was the BEST MAN…

      I would hate to see who

      the WORST one is!

      Thanks for answering everyone’s questions!

      Justice 4 Nat

    73. Jennifer on June 6th, 2007 4:14 am

      “Jennifer, I’m not sure what planet you came from but after reading some of your despicable posts I’m damn sure your not of the human race.”

      LOL. Okay. That’s insightful. Thanks for taking the time to post.

    74. boywonder on June 6th, 2007 7:20 am

      Since it appears Mr Leo is full of information…

      Do you know Rob Dekay and are you familiar JIP7? Do you know Metzegel? Do you work for the Brandweer Fire Dept? Do you know Rugged Priest and are you familiar with his quote ” Real killers dont talk?” Any of these other names ring a bell? Kwibus? Wotever? How about Villimizar Hassel?Do you know Lagtrevrees?

    75. Richard on June 6th, 2007 7:36 am

      I cannot believe that anyone who has followed the Natalee Holloway case from the early days, and read about it on the blogs, has never heard about the Shango postings.

      This doesn’t mean that they have to be given credit, or taken seriously (which isn’t to say that they don’t have to be, either), but certainly they have been mentioned for some time.

      Mr. Gabriel Leo talks in one post about people who see conspiracies everywhere. That may indeed be absurd; but it’s not possible to overlook that an obvious cover-up in this case has been in effect since early days. Assisted by Aruban incompetence, yes, but the deliberate cover-up is there and has been for some time.

      I’m sure that Mr. Gabriel Leo would agree that the focus of our concern is. always has been, and always will be on …

    76. Richard on June 6th, 2007 7:39 am

      Here’s another article on concerns that may be causing the U.S. to avoid offending Aruba (unwisely in my view):

      Terror suspect surrenders in Trinidad as concerns grow about radical Islam in the Caribbean

      Associated Press

      PORT-OF-SPAIN, Trinidad (AP) – A fourth suspect in an alleged plot to attack New York’s John F. Kennedy Airport surrendered Tuesday in Trinidad as some U.S. authorities raised concerns that deep social inequality in the Caribbean could foster anti-American sentiment and make the islands a fertile recruiting ground for radical Islam.

      Abdel Nur, a Guyanese national accused of seeking support for the alleged plot from the leader of a radical Muslim group in Trinidad, smiled as he turned himself in at a police station outside the capital Port-of-Spain.

      The details emerging about Nur and the other suspected plotters have given rise to concerns plot that bitter social divides in the Caribbean, where many Muslims live in shacks just blocks from gleaming skyscrapers, could foster Islamic extremism.

      The 57-year-old Nur worked odd jobs at a currency exchange house and lived in a poor neighborhood back in Guyana.

      “This is a conspiracy,” he told reporters with a smile as he entered a courthouse later Tuesday.

      Nur and three others are alleged to have been planning to blow up fuel pipelines that feed the New York airport. Two of the other suspects are also in custody in Trinidad, following their arrests there on Friday.

      New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly spoke of a potential Caribbean threat when he disclosed the alleged plot.

      “This is an area in which we have growing concern and I think requires a lot more focus,” Kelly said.

      Though the Caribbean is largely known as a tourist paradise, the twin-island nation of Trinidad and Tobago, with a population of about 1.3 million, stands out as an exception: It is the most industrialized nation in the region and the largest supplier of liquid natural gas to the United States. The capital seems to have sprouted skyscrapers in recent years, thanks to the natural gas boom.

      The country has good relations with the United States and Nur’s surrender won Trinidad praise from the FBI.

      “I am confident that the pressure brought to bear by the Trinidadian police authorities contributed to his surrender,” said Mark Mershon, the head of the FBI in New York. “We are very grateful for their tremendous cooperation in this investigation.”

      Trinidad, which is about 6 percent Muslim, is home to Jamaat al Muslimeen, a radical group that staged the only Islamic revolt in the Western Hemisphere, a deadly 1990 coup attempt sparked by still unresolved land claims.

      Nur allegedly met with the group’s leader, Yasin Abu Bakr, in an unsuccessful effort to get support for the airport attack. Abu Bakr told The Associated Press on Monday that his group had no connection the New York plot.

      Trinidad is not a hotbed of anti-Americanism – in fact, its U.S. ties are substantial and growing: About 20,000 U.S. citizens visit the islands each year for tourism and business and about 4,600 claim residency in the country, according to the State Department. The U.S. in turn is home to thousands of people of Trinidadian descent.

      Still, it is not hard to find resentment among poorer residents of Port-of-Spain. Some in the capital say the U.S. shares blame with the Trinidadian government for poverty that lingers despite an economy that grew 12 percent last year.

      “All America wants to do is dominate,” said house cleaner Alistair Augustine, voicing a sentiment that is common in the working class neighborhoods on the capital’s west side. A Muslim convert, Augustine attends a small, one-story mosque in the island nation, which is home to about 80,000 Muslims.

      Such social discontent could make people in the region vulnerable to recruitment by terrorists outside the region, said Anthony Bryan, a senior associate at the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies. “It would have to be considered, because many of the cells are now global,” Bryan said.

      Mike Ackerman, a former CIA terrorism expert, said Caribbean natives have been involved in terrorism – including Jamaican-born London transit bomber Jermaine Lindsay – but only after they were exposed to radical Islam elsewhere.

      In addition to Nur, Trinidadian authorities are holding two suspects in the New York plot: Abdul Kadir, the former Guyanese lawmaker, and Kareem Ibrahim of Trinidad. They are fighting extradition to the United States.

      The other named suspect, Russell Defreitas, is former JFK air cargo employee who was arrested in New York. He is a U.S. citizen native to Guyana, a former Dutch and British colony on the northern coast of South America.

      Huda Ibrahim, a daughter of the one Trinidadian suspect, denied that her father or Kadir had any role in the alleged airport plot. She read a statement to reporters she said was written on behalf of the local Shiite Muslim community, saying the two men are “absolutely innocent.” The community deplores the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks “as much as we deplore the dropping of atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki,” she said.

    77. Miss-Underestimated on June 6th, 2007 9:15 am

      Haven’t heard of Shango’s posts????


    78. nonesuche on June 6th, 2007 10:24 am

      Miss-underestimated someone is lying :) let’s hope Gabe takes the time to find out who might do that to him ! Ruin his good name that way, shame on them !

      Interesting article Richard, fascinating that these four were arrested and are yelling conspiracy. Isn’t that what some Arubans like to accuse the US of habitually? or the monkeys? It must be in the water…..

    79. Vicki on June 6th, 2007 10:28 am

      The bottom line here GAB, is that your ppl protested BETH..who was just LOOKING for her daughter. All I can say is LIERUBA should be glad it wasnt my daughter…..

    80. JusticeforNatalee on June 6th, 2007 10:36 am


      Are you in Aruba right now?

    81. Brie on June 6th, 2007 10:59 am

      Gabe: you mention that the 4 were clever enough to remove the last link, may I ask what you are referring to as the last link? Was it Natalee’s body?

    82. Carpe Noctem on June 6th, 2007 11:33 am

      Yes, are we like talking about

      THE MISSING LINK from the

      “Chains That Bind You”

      …like the early 80′s Journey song…

      …or more like a member from Gabe’s family?


    83. 10061906 on June 6th, 2007 12:33 pm

      A lot of nice photos

    84. LilPuma on June 6th, 2007 5:12 pm

      Are you watching and listening, Aruba? Taking notes? The devastated family of Kelsey Smith has been informed that their daughter’s body has been found. My prayers are with them. Police have a suspect. Police didn’t tell the father to go sit in a bar and wait. Police went out immediately and got security tapes for clues. They acted on those clues, getting enhanced versions and releasing them to the press asking for help. They have asked and gotten cooperation from other law enforcement agencies, including the FBI. They have a suspect identified and they’re not waiting to see who his relatives are before putting his picture on TV. I don’t know if they’ll find the perp, or if they do, they’ll get a conviction. But no one has said that Kelsey’s shorts were too short, her tank top too revealing, no one is hiding this crime, pretending it didn’t happen or protesting because it makes Kansas look bad. If the parents were critical of investigators off camera, no one would threaten to stop investigating — that would have made the news. The government didn’t give 4000 people the day off work to search, while only 400 showed up to do so. Volunteers took their own time from their lives on their own dime to help this family. Take notes, Aruba. We don’t always get it right either, but this is how it’s done.

    85. mayan_moons on June 6th, 2007 5:33 pm

      Amen LilPuma!

    86. 10061906 on June 6th, 2007 7:40 pm

      Gab I forgot about this:

      Monday/Tuesday 5/30 – 5/31 11:00PM- 1:00 AM May 30/31 until 1AM – the group goes to CnC’s, then they meet Charles Croes & Gabriel Leo at a Valero gas station. En route to the HI, CC detours to La Cabana seeking info, then to the Marriott Beach area where they encounter some teenagers who recognize the description of Deepak’s car and lead them to the vd Sloot home. Manwhile, the Twitty group returns to the HI where Beth & Jug meet with chaperone & DEA agent. They view the security tape of the Poker Tournament showing Joran & the Twitty Twins, while their friends search the beach areas. SM

    87. linda on June 6th, 2007 8:08 pm

      Lil puma..great post..Agree with you totally!!
      My god,Kelsey was also only 18? How horrible and sick is this…her parents are going to a hell right now..really sad!!

    88. Kat_Gram on June 6th, 2007 8:56 pm

      Thank you Gabe Leo for answering my question Re:
      Alberto. This case has made some ppl crazy ( me ) and sometimes we do not know what is true and what is the product of misinformation or just plain gossip and rumors.

    89. viet vet on June 6th, 2007 9:00 pm

      Gabriel’s 55. What Gabe says in comment 55 is pretty much the way it was during the first few days. I went to Aruba 3 times, every time by private jet and did go thru the area he mentions. Claudio was in charge of that area as I remember and Alberto worked for Claudio. All three, Gabriel(his girl friend too), Alberto, a girl I called Ava(she looked like Ava Gardner) and Claudio traveled with us as ALE sent us on one wild goose chase after another. I met Van der Straaten on the Wed. after Natalee went missing. It was very clear to us that the cover-up was in full swing. Claudio, Alberto, and Gabriel all tried to help us and in the beginning Julia Renfro was with us. About Wed. or Thur., someone in the government or tourism or law enforcement,,or more probably all of the above started talking to the people who were trying to help us get some answers. I do remember them talking to some of these people and telling them to watch what they were saying and doing. It appeared they put pressure on anyone they could. Charles Croes and Julia turned on us fairly quickly, but they did have leverage on them. Claudio,Alberto, and Gabriel were still with us when I left the third time I was there. It was fairly open, Aruba’s powers that be did not want us in their country any longer. I don’t think they will ever let me return, as well as our group who searched so hard the first few weeks. This whole affair is very hard to understand because of all the corruption and coverups. They had no idea Beth would get there so quickly and that her friends would all show up and try to get some answers. The end result will be the demise of Aruba. When a government stoops as low as they did in the coverup, then end result will be devastating to their country’s tourism.

    90. JusticeforNatalee on June 6th, 2007 9:13 pm


      Your remark about not knowing anything about Shango
      is not credible.

    91. wreck on June 6th, 2007 9:24 pm

      I have stated that I thought the “cover-up” started on June 10th,2005 when “they had a confession and were being led to the body” and then suddenly retracted everything. Well, I fully trust Viet Vet when he says it started IMMEDIATELY!!!!

    92. Waterboy (Jerry) on June 6th, 2007 11:04 pm

      Viet Vet,

      I hope you will answer this question.

      I don’t think I have ever read what you think happen to Natalee. Could you give us your ideas?

      I enjoy your insight. I’ve read everything you have written.


    93. Waterboy (Jerry) on June 6th, 2007 11:08 pm

      Wreck #91

      Me too, Viet Vet is rock solid. What he says will be 100%.


    94. Waterboy (Jerry) on June 6th, 2007 11:14 pm

      Viet Vet,

      You post so infrequently, and I’ve tried to catch you. Guess I missed you again tonight. I’ve been off and on tonight. I ask you awhile back if you have heard from Murph. If so, ask him to post every now and then.


    95. 10061906 on June 6th, 2007 11:20 pm

      DIARIO has information that Geoffrey van Cromvoirt was fired from his job because police did not want to work with him. Aside from this, Geoffrey is a good friend of Commissioner Gerold Dompig’s son, who also was working on the Visibility Team near the sea.
      Both of them, according to colleagues, apparently were always talking about how they ‘had fun’ with female tourists who they met on the beach. They even said they liked to lie and say that they were police so that they could do illegal things.
      Some months back, Commissioner Gerold Dompig’s son was ‘practically’ fired from the team. It is not known where Gerold Dompig’s son is working, but Geoffrey van Cromvoirt is working on the beach, near a water sports company. In other words, he is a ‘beach bum’.

      We learned that the police investigator Gerold Dompig stated that the three boys were “guilty as hell”. We learned Dompig is related to a well-known local “beach bum drug dealer” and the Kalpoe brothers. Dompig’s son, Michael, who was also known to hang out with “the pimps” told a source that hours before Beth Twitty arrived on the island he saw Joran, Koen Gottenbos and Deepak take Koen’s boat out into the ocean. Dompig ended his career after he went on national television and stated that Natalee likely died of an “overdose”.
      This is interesting because on June 17, 2005 Sanders said as follows. “On your question if Joran had been on our boat before, I will explain to you the following. Joran has never been on our boat and has never with our dangers”(?)
      In October, 2005 Aruban authorities approached Dave Holloway and informed him that Koen Gottenbos could possibly be the key to solving the case. Nevertheless, Koen was never interrogated again in spite of the promises of Gerold Dompig. The assistant prosecutor, Amalin Flanegin, quit because she believed that Koen lied when he was interrogated in the initial stages of the investigation, and Dompig refused bring him in again. A meeting that took place between Koen’s father and the investigators could possibly reveal an explanation. The nine page statement from Koen has never been made public. WHY?

    96. 10061906 on June 6th, 2007 11:29 pm

      IMO: Michael and Geoff are in this up to their eyeballs along with the JK2′S
      Now if Sanders Gottenbos was a witness when he made that statement or if Michael was a witness when he made His statement, one of the two should have been arrested because they lied as a witness???????
      Dompig found out how deep his son was involved; hence Natalee basically self destructed according to him.
      Do the elders offspring bring the young flys to the trap????

    97. Waterboy (Jerry) on June 6th, 2007 11:59 pm

      #91 Wreck,

      That is what I thought too. I could see things beginning to disintegrate and the tide swiftly turning on Dave, Jug, Beth, and others that were there. If we were catching the shift by day 10, then it must have been happening much sooner.

      I didn’t know who made this shift all happen. I thought is Paulus, but then I begin to think that he is just a small fish in a sea with a big shark.

      I have some jumbled ideas who main shark is, but quite frankly I’m ashamed to mention him. If you have followed my post, I directly mentioned him months ago, but I won’t go there now. Every poster would jump squarely on me like a chicken on a June bug. A lead to his name is encoded in this post, but I will meet your questions with denial, so you will have to search your thoughts and mind for your own answer.

      If and when the person is revealed, someone can bring up my post, and I will decode it; but I will never tell you I told you so, and I won’t bring it up myself. Why he orchestrated the cove-up I don’t understand at all, but I will say once again, I think Natalee’s body is in the landfill. You go back to the breakdown in the search there, evidence points squarely to the man. (He is not an American.)

      Again, if I were to say who I think it is, I would have no credibility here at all. I’ve seen how it works, and I’m not going there.


    98. wreck on June 7th, 2007 1:26 am

      WB(J) :
      If you are headed where I think …. I would SERIOUSLY doubt it. Not because anyone of the charcters here are above reproach or incapable of wielding their power — but because the person I think you are referring to is DESPISED by the very people I think ARE behind the cover-up. (But then — I am not completely sure we are thinking of the same person.)

    99. driving miss daisy on June 7th, 2007 2:52 am

      I think I agree with Wreck, landfill – I am sure we are all thinking the same person = same sheet of music. Maybe so, maybe not. Probably.

    100. Waterboy (Jerry) on June 7th, 2007 7:37 am


      It sounds like you might possible know the name. Don’t say it.
      I’m going to do some research in that direction. I think that no matter how much I dig up, no one will ever believe me. I just can’t imagine why he would cover things up. He has everyone completely fooled.
      (there are no codes in this message)


    101. 10061906 on June 7th, 2007 10:27 am

      I need a little help: I kept posting that Koen crashed at Joran’s May 29. I believe I had some wrong information that I was posting.
      This is where I need help:
      Somewhere I read that Koen was giving a party at his home that night. Can anyone confirm that?

    102. JusticeforNatalee on June 7th, 2007 10:57 am


      The crimes and cover-up happened ON ARUBA.

      That’s why ARUBA is being boycotted.

    103. 10061906 on June 7th, 2007 12:19 pm


    104. Carpe Noctem on June 7th, 2007 12:40 pm

      I see London

      I see France

      Rudy goes to Bucuti

      in pink polka-dotted


      NOBODY IS GOING TO ARUBA! echo echo echo

      (if a tree fell in the woods and…)

    105. 10061906 on June 7th, 2007 1:36 pm

      waterboy: Would I recognize the name if I heard it?

    106. 10061906 on June 7th, 2007 8:18 pm

      I was going to wait for a new topic; but I can always repost.
      Where is Natalee?
      I have to admit that I have vacillated between the gold mines and cremation.
      This is my final attempt at a theory: One word…
      “Where there is no body there is no case”.
      After she died, she was placed in a crypt in St Ana cemetery. The Priest probably knows it. Dave wanted to meet with the priest, but his secretary said he was saying mass. Don’t know what time of the day. Later Dave gets a phone call from Dennis Jacobs that the priest cannot meet with Dave for at least 3 days. Nothing seems wrong with the statement except how did Dennis Jacobs know Dave wanted to meet with the priest?
      Around June 10th, 2005 was the announcement that Natalee’s body was found. Then the news was retracted. We have to find out who and why the announcement was changed by June 11th, 2005.
      For what ever reason; a lifeless Natalee was transferred to the Oduber Hospital morgue.
      Probably by Rene Michel Heyningen. I believe he worked part time at the hospital and for one of the funeral homes or cemetery. Not sure which or all. He operated the incinerator at the industrial plant and Oduber Hospital incinerator. He may have tried to get more money, maybe the reward or was just killed for what he knew and did.
      Joran, Deepak and Satish, probably do not know what happened to Natalee’s body.
      Perhaps Paulus does. Don’t know at this point. But more then likely he orchestrated her disappearance. This is almost the perfect crime. There is no evidence and only a few know what happened.
      Now to figure out who, when and where and the circumstances surrounding Natalee’s demise.
      As Joran said in his book:
      It is foolish for friends to fight over a woman.
      There was one other item that Natalee had that night which was never mentioned. Someone has it.
      Start checking Jorans flickr pix. Maybe it will show up in one of them.

    107. Waterboy (Jerry) on June 7th, 2007 8:57 pm

      waterboy: Would I recognize the name if I heard it?

      Comment by 10061906 | June 7, 2007, 1:36 pm

      to 10061906

      Yes, yes, without a doubt. You have used it dozens of times.


    108. EG on June 7th, 2007 9:34 pm

      In every single picture I’ve seen of Natalee that was taken in Aruba, she is wearing one or two bracelets (perhaps a watch ?) I have to wonder if there is anything unique about them. Abductors often keep some sort of a trophy and I am wondering if those bracelets might have been kept by Natalees abductors, fenced or perhaps given away to someone else. It’s a tiny shot in the dark, I know, but maybe something that might hold a clue.

    109. Waterboy (Jerry) on June 7th, 2007 9:48 pm

      To 10061906,

      I have a strong suspicion that Natalee was or is in the landfill. Like the sloot’s humble abode, it was never fully searched, and the 3 amigos were very jumpy when the search was going on there.

      I’ve felt possible that Natalee was taken to the hospital and then quickly moved to the morgue, placed with another body or labeled as another body like-black male (Joe Doe) for cremation in 3 days. I’ve ask Viet Vet – about the search at the hospital. I think he said for sure they checked there. I don’t think he ever gave me an answer about if they actually checked body bags or not-probable not.

      Every human has at least an ounce of decency, and perhaps Joran and the two retards took Natalee to the emergency room. Maybe that is where the money form the ATM went, to some hungry (possible now dead) intern or janitor or maybe the dead caretaker.


    110. 10061906 on June 7th, 2007 9:57 pm

      Waterboy: you have got to be kidding: What would be gained?
      If the head of the beast is in plain view it is folly to attack protected flanks.
      Threadsurfers, DirtyHand is more vulnerable than the Arawak King and your lances should point in……

    111. 10061906 on June 7th, 2007 10:08 pm

      I’m putting all my chips on one name because of this…
      Rene Michel van Heyningen – partially decapitated man found at cemetery on 6-18-05. Rumored to run the incinerator at the Refinery. It is also reported that he ran the incinerator at Oduber Hospital. Yesenia Castillo, his wife(?) is reportedly being held in KIA in conjunction with his murder. Do we have proof she is in jail for his murder. Remeber she hacked his head and place the body in a pickup and drove to the cemetery and dumped the body. If she was that strong she could have dumped it in one of the barren areas, but not the middle of a cemetery… That was too symbolic. There was a message here just as
      Dinesh ‘Pitbull’ Djoegan – 25 year old bouncer from Choose a Name Bar that was found on 4-5-06 in Guadirikiri cave. His body was mutilated, crucified, and set on fire. Reportedly he died of an overdose of cocaine. It is believed that Pitbull is the brother-in-law of Dompig through Dompig’s first wife.
      MY comment;; worst case of suicide the ALE ever saw!!!

    112. 10061906 on June 7th, 2007 10:11 pm

      EG: what did Natalee and her friends make a vow to be????? There lies your answer.

    113. 10061906 on June 7th, 2007 10:12 pm

      11: SM same type of disguise that I believe waterboy is aluding to:

    114. 10061906 on June 7th, 2007 10:19 pm

      Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:12 pm
      Even Flying Birds Sing
      If the key does not arrive tomorrow, that door to Eden will remain closed
      I must feed the messengers

      That could mean those that have left Aruba could talk.
      Dna results did not come from the Netherlands.
      What messengers could shango be feeding at 11:12PM
      Could have been someone at a fast food place… Police like donuts.

    115. Waterboy (Jerry) on June 7th, 2007 10:19 pm

      To EG,

      We have been told over and over that Natalee had 50 dollars with her, her driver’s license, and some jewelry. Her money was for sure taken and spent, and her jewelry taken without a doubt.

      If somehow the money were traceable, it could be traced back to the store where it was spent. That would be nice, but not probable.

      A hunter disappeared in Alaska, years ago, and his wife went into panic mode (which is well understood). She published the serial numbers of all his firearms he had on the trip, and wouldn’t you know it-years later one of his firearms showed up in a pawnshop in the lower 40. They questioned the guy who pawned it, and searched the area where he found it. Seems the guy’s plane had hit the top of a mountain, and scattered items all over the place. The guy, who pawned the gun, never saw the wreckage (which must be reported). The hunter’s body was never found, but film of his hunt was. (A cherished keeps-sake to his wife).

      If pictures of Natalee’s jewelry were circulated around Aruba and other places, it might go somewhere.


    116. 10061906 on June 7th, 2007 10:23 pm

      31: ayfit: you kept us waiting for almost 48 hours: OK I give up. What’s the news?

    117. Waterboy (Jerry) on June 7th, 2007 10:29 pm

      To 10061906,

      Sometimes, the lance of an Arawak penetrates the flesh of a friend. Sometimes it only appears to do so.


    118. Waterboy (Jerry) on June 7th, 2007 10:33 pm


      Maybe the had is dirty; but when in the shape of a fist, who can tell.


    119. Waterboy (Jerry) on June 7th, 2007 10:35 pm

      Maybe the hand is stained, but not with blood.

    120. Gabriel Leo on June 7th, 2007 10:46 pm

      I don’t see why it’s so amazing to believe that I don’t recall the shango / simian postings! I come to the bloggs, read here and there and what catches my eye I react and continue my way. For those who call or may call this blogg HOME, will of course screen everything that goes by here. Those who I only recall or can never say I don’t recall (I’m not Alberto Gonzales :D ) are those who always shot back at me and that’s always been Richard, Carpe Noktem (Howard?) justicefornatalee and Vicki. All who protested (if I’m not mistaken) at the tourism conferences and proudly say they “confronted the ATA”. After two years if you ask me if I ever heard about them I can never pull an Alberto Gonzales! Simpler it can’t be.

      I have been trying to figure out why in the world I am being connected with this case, by saying I was on the first night in the presence of the twitty’s where I and other drove them around.
      Then a light went on. The only explanation I find is that their actually is a Gabriel that works at the Universal Aviation and who also is a pilot. His name is Gabriel Richards and I’m 100% sure that he is good friends with Alberto and seeing that only a handful of people work over that area of the airport it’s the only logical explanation why he was thought to be me. Here you have two Gabriel’s working at the same airport and from what I have seen on this blogg (no offense no-one) allot of you base your conclusions on here say and after a while try to prove if it’s right or wrong (hypotheses style if you will)

      WHY is it not credible??? What makes you say it isn’t?

      Now you feel with the boycott things have gotten better? Anything other has been achieved? I for one can say that it has only made more people from both sides become more defensive towards each other and left most of you now with more question unanswered.
      Why haven’t I not seen no one brought a lawsuit against Liar Joran about publishing a book, which mentions the name Holloway and if I might add is selling and making money with it! Attack them one for one if that makes ya happy!

      Request to Anna from the I have seen that you are quiet interested in who I am what I do etc and I’ve read that you tried to contact me before via e-mail but never answered or you got an answer from someone. Seeing your interest concerning myself would like to contact via e-mail, seeing you have tried in the past to contact me.

      Finally with regards to the so called Shango / Simian posts: from what I read I can say that they felt in the beginning the same feeling I felt since day one and, I still feel today, is the urge to defend my island Aruba with regards to news from the US-media which is always ratings-guided and what sells with this case is only negative news about Aruba. That said, from what I read I honestly must say that there were many low blows by those who posted under that name. It clearly became a childish game for who ever posted under that name. They either live by the words of Lord of the Rings of Harry potter seeing what phrases were posted.
      That said, where is the link in all of this that made all of you thought it was me?

    121. Waterboy (Jerry) on June 7th, 2007 10:54 pm

      Flying birds also poop, and it makes no difference on who they poop.
      The song of a flying bird is often just an approach warning and not a song. The door to Eden does not exist. It is rather a gate. No one has and no one will enter for the gate is protected by an angel with a flaming sword. If not, all would partake of the tree of life and live forever, but some have and will.

    122. 10061906 on June 7th, 2007 11:05 pm

      Actually I hope some of Jorans friends are here and reading.
      It was the friends forever necklace or bracelet. If someone saw fit to give to one of the female friends. It might show on one of the pics that have been circulating.
      Let’s hope they did.
      We may never actually know unless someone confesses; but to see someone with that particular jewerly in a pix…. well aruba

    123. Lala'sMom on June 8th, 2007 12:30 am

      MR. GABE LEO
      Thanks for clarifying the fact that there is another Gabe that could be the one we are talking about. Have you ever been to the United States? I love Florida especially. So you are not the person that wrote Shango. I am glad we can put that rumor to rest now. It does however amaze me that you do not know Jairo. I thought he was a relative of some sort. I must be mistaken again.

    124. msmarple on June 8th, 2007 12:48 am

      Gabriel – Thank you for answering questions.

      I think someone asked if you knew Kawish Misier? He posted on the forum and even opened a thread –

      Can you elaborate at all on this Charles Croes as “psychic” angle? I am inclined to think this was a misinterpretation or some oddity in translation. For example, Croes might have said something like “I might can mediate here … ” where “mediate” means something very different from “medium” or “clairvoyant” or “psychic.”

      Thanks you again.

    125. JusticeforNatalee on June 8th, 2007 8:25 am


      The news media kept Aruba from sweeping Natalee’s case under the carpet.

      And the declining tourism played a part in getting the Netherlands involved.

      And no one is picking on you, Gabe. If you make comments, then expect a counter-argument.

      If you are upset about a boycott, then you need to push for justice.
      Aruba is quickly gaining the reputation of being Cover-Up Island.

      Don’t take things personally, Gabe. The boycott is just a call to justice, not revenge against Aruba.

    126. 10061906 on June 8th, 2007 10:33 am

      Regarding the extensive media coverage, they brought up that one of the main reporters for Fox News Network Greta van Susteren has a very special connection to the case.

      Her husband, John P. Coale, and George Twitty are both investors in a large real estate development in Richmond, VA. Each of them hold 25% of the development. The other 50% is held by a group of 2 Germans and a Dutch investor, who resides in the self-governing entity of Aruba.

    127. 10061906 on June 8th, 2007 11:29 am

      Coale and Van Susteren found guilty of ambulance chasing: “As of April 1996, Coale, his wife Greta Van Susteren – who is also his partner in a law firm, and the law firm were all the subject of serious bar disciplinary proceedings in West Virginia, whose state bar’s discipline board was seeking to suspend their right to practice law in West Virginia for a year as a result of soliciting prospective clients in ways prohibited by bar rules, generally referred to by the public as “ambulance-chasing”; in Coale’s case, the term seems particularly appropriate because one of the incidents that landed him in trouble was his law firm’s employee allegedly trying to chat up a severely-burned man in an intensive-care unit.”

      “By the end of 1996, the Supreme Court of Appeals of West Virginia had ruled that Coale and his wife were both guilty of professional misconduct in such solicitations, stating:

      ‘Accordingly, we find that respondents Allen, Coale, and Van Susteren engaged in professional misconduct by inducing others to initiate the improper telephone solicitations which we found violative of Rules 7.3(a) and 7.3(b)(1) of the Rules of Professional Conduct.’”
      etc etc etc….Who can you trust?????

    128. 10061906 on June 8th, 2007 11:48 am

      read all about it.
      Now you know why her jaw is crooked;; Greta speak with forked tongue.

    129. 10061906 on June 8th, 2007 12:13 pm

      Now you know why Greta was interested in the beginning:
      Her husband John P Coale and Natalee’s step father George “Jug” Twitty are partners in a Virginia land development corporation and the other 50 % is German and Dutch from Aruba.
      There was also another link to bank law suits where the criminal element on Aruba lost millions of dollars because of George Twitty. Was Natalee then the innocent victim of a get even plot?????

    130. 10061906 on June 8th, 2007 1:25 pm

      97: waterboy: I now think I am on the same page as you are.

    131. wreck on June 8th, 2007 11:59 pm

      I don’t know if this was where wb was going — unless THAT person is the “Aruban investor” — but I’m listening! This needs to be taken to the cage (it will be lost here!)

    132. truthseeker2 on June 9th, 2007 9:51 am


      Do you have a link that provides documentation regarding the deal between all of these people? I remember Greta denying this once during her coverage. If you have a link will you share it here? I would love to get a look at that.

    133. 10061906 on June 9th, 2007 4:37 pm

      truthseeker 132
      That is what is wrong here. No one believes and they don’t google.

      Here is the article in German:
      “Washington,DC USA

      In der Suche nach der vermissten jungen Frau auf Aruba, sind neue Fakten zu Tage gekommen. Die junge Frau war Anfang Juni spurlus verschwunden, nur Stunden
      bevor sie in die USA zurueck kehren sollte.

      In den Vereinigten Staaten haben sich viele uber die uberaus weite Berichterstattung im Fernesehn erregt. Viele Amerikaner sind der Auffassung, daB dies nicht richtig ist, da so viele Menschen taglich vermisst werden. Wie es sich nun herausstellt, ist der Ehemann einer der Journalsiten in einer Geschaftsbeziehung mit dem Stiefvater der verschwundenen Amerikanerin.

      Der Ehemann der fur Fox News Network arbeitenden Greta van Susteren. John P.
      Coale ist einer der Hauptinvestoren in einer
      Immobilien Anlage. Er halt 25%, dieselbe Beteiligung die George Twitty, Stiefvater der verschwunden jungen Frau halt.

      Die weiteren Anleger sind sind zwei
      Deutsche und ein Niederlander, der in der Aruba lebt. Aruba ist eine autonome Region der Niederlande.”

      The intl. news section, where they talked about George Twitty. from Mountain Brook, Alabama ,who’s stepdaughter had been disappeared on the Caribbean Island of Aruba in the beginning of June.

      Regarding the extensive media coverage, they
      brought up that one of the main reporters for Fox News Network Greta van Susteren has a very special connection to the case.

      Her husband, John P. Coale, and George Twitty are both investors in a large real estate development in Richmond, VA. Each of them hold 25% of the development. The other 50% is held by a group of 2 Germans and a Dutch investor, who resides in the self-governing entity of Aruba


      SM:   So you are taking the word of some German publication that NELSON IN NY posted on the Aruba BB without a link to reference back to?   Last I heard Nelson in NY works for ATA.   (klaasend)

    134. 10061906 on June 9th, 2007 5:34 pm

      Well Klaasen: I guess we can’t believe what we read anymore.
      Thanks for the heads up.


      SM:   All I’m saying is that I personally need more proof than a repost of a German publication without a link to the original article, posted by Nelson In NY who works for ATA.   Too many in ATA and AHATA posting on the message boards early in this case attempting to distract from the suspects.   (klaasend)

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