RSSJoran Van der Sloot’s Book … “The Case of Natalee Holloway” … Keep Talking . SICK, SICK, SICK.
Joran Van der Sloot … Keep Talking, it will be your undoing.
“Lying makes it easier for me”. (Joran Van der Sloot)
No truer words have ever been spoken.
This is just another example of what’s good for Joran Van der Sloot is terrible for Aruba. Maybe one day the people of Aruba will wake up and smell the coffee. Also maybe more American tourists will come to realize what really took place.
(Click on book to watch video to hear what tourists & Jossy Mansur have to say)
Comments from American tourists in Aruba regarding the Joran Van der Sloot book.
“I think that’s sick, I really do. To be able to profit off of something like this is horrible. Whether he did it or didn’t do it doesn’t matter, just sick” (Will Formato)
“I am disappointed kinda that he would capitalize on something bad that happened like that and feel like he could make money on other people’s unhappiness.” (Janet Beatty)
Reviews state that the book takes swipes at Natalee’s family and the American people.
“I don’t like the idea that somebody that was so closely involved to the situation would then write a book to profit from it.” (Fox)
I would ask the people who commented on Joran Van der Sloot’s book below the following question: If it is so sick as to what Joran Van der Sloot is doing in profiting from a book of a terrible ordeal like the disappearance of an American teenage girl, then why are you vacationing on an island that knowingly tried to cover up and did little to really and properly investigate Natalee Holloway’s disappearance? A place where the chief investigator told Dave Holloway to go to Carlos N’ Charlies and “have a beer, she’ll show up”.
Dan Abrams: The letter goes on to say that when Dave Holloway asked the police
to begin a search for Natalee two days after she went missing, the detective in charge of the investigation answered, this happens all the time. Just go on down to Carlos N’ Charlie’s and have a beer. She’ll show up sometime. She probably got drunk or fell in love and ran off with someone for a few days.
When you went to the police department to report Natalee missing, Dennis Jacobs responded with the following inappropriate question. How much money do you have?
Dave Holloway: That’s correct and there were two witnesses there that can confirm that.
WOULD NOT THAT BE CONSIDERED SICK AS WELL!!!
(Hat Tip Vanderbilt – 06, What happens in Aruba, Stays covered up in Aruba)
Its not just Joran Van der Sloot who lied and tried a cover up to save the tourism of Aruba. That would have been a decision by Aruban officials. So the question is why are you vacationing in an island where if something happened to you, the same treatment would be afforded to you and your loved one’s. Would not that be sick as well?
(Aruban PM Oduber Promising Beth Twitty Justice)
American tourists in Aruba, you are staying in a place that disregards American’s life for the benefit that no harm would come to their tourism. They thought this would all blow over in 4 days. You people are in Aruba making negative comments about Joran Van der Sloot and his profits? What do you think Aruba is doing by you being there while they always wished to look the other way? WAKE UP!!!
Is this where you want to be searching for your missing loved one?
Or Here?
Or Here?
And soon to be here.
Earth to American tourists … Joran Van der Sloot took swipes at you too.
Who do these tourists really think tried to profit off the cover up of this crime? Who do you think pulled strings and allowed this crime not to be investigated until nearly two year later when Dutch investigators searched the Van der Sloot property?
Dave Holloway, “Corruption in Paradise”.
Corruption, yes. There’s a lot of things that occurred on the island before Natalee got there and we addressed some of those issues. But, you know, you have a 17-year-old kid that basically runs the island. He’s 17 years old. The legal age of gambling is 18. The legal age of drinking is 18. The legal age of driving is 18. And here he does all three.
You know and then this happens with Natalee and then you get a low level police officer trying to make a decision, “Do I arrest these boys or do I turn my head and look the other way?” And we think that they’ve turned their head and looked the other way.
To American tourist that think its OK to selfishly look the other way when grief, pain and despair are brought upon others … You to could have been in the same shoes as Beth Twitty. Will you only care when it directly affects you? What a commentary that says about people and their selfish, self-centered actions.
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Beth Holloway Twitty Response, A Mother’s Grief, Part I
“If the investigation had been handled properly during the first 10 days, the world would not have witnessed and experienced the pain and suffering my family and I have endured,” Holloway Twitty said, choking back tears as she read from a written statement. “For the rest of my life, I will continue to be the voice for my daughter, seeking justice in Aruba. Every parent would want the same justice for their child.”
- Beth Holloway Twitty Response, Part II (A mother’s grief, she plans to go home)
Posted May 5, 2007 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, boycott, Crime, Joran Van der Sloot, Media, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway, Travel | 121 comments |
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Beth Twitty has a different perspective … she encourages Joran to keep talking. Even time he opens his mouth his lies implicate him further in regards to his obvious participation in the events of the morning when her beloved daughter went missing.
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Beth Twitty’s response to the Primetime interview …
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Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE
February 23, 2006
TWITTY: … I`m just glad that he is coming out and speaking on camera because I heard a clip that you — a sound bite earlier, and he does — when he tells one lie, more evolve. And it just is mind-boggling how we are all just witnessing this from Joran.
The more he opens his mouth.. the better. I hope and pray its the end for him and the others and SOON!~
ARed.. TY for those photos.. so sad. nobody in teh world would want to have to search for their loved one in anyone of those places.
The writing of this book shows the continued lack of empathy and poor judgement on the part of the main suspect: Joran Van Der Sloot. To allow the writing of this book shows the continued poor judgement and lack of control on the part of the main suspects parents: Paul and Anita Van Der Sloot.
They still seem to feel victimized by the missing and likely deceased Natalee Holloway. When will they see the true picture?
The fact that JVDS would speak ill of NH and the family shows who type of sub-human he really is.
The swipe he makes about wanting to pursue Natalee’s friend and not Natalee (I didn’t know her name) was beyond sick.
So that little comment means that JVDS went to C&C’s with a purpose. That would be premeditated wouldn’t it. Of course why does anyone show up to a club 1/2 hr before closing. JVD just happened to find the one he was looking for was gone.
Victimizing a victim is one of the truest forms of sociopath’s behavior there is.
Keep talking Joran … and we will keep giving you the rope to do so.
RED
Beth and Dave ave shown they are good,moral,and honest people.Pay attention World,your children are risk in the aruba’s of the world
LIES LIES LIES
SICK SICK SICK
GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY
First of all I hope these turncoat American tourist don’t have any teenage daughters with them and they don’t leave their drinks unattended. The Tourist association was using these dunb Americans to try and show the boycott isn’t working.
There are so many agonizing questions without answers.
Only a small amount are here:
Starting with the big one.
What did you do to Natalee and where is she
What did you do to Natalee and where is she?
Why did some of the MBHS students go to C and C’s May 29, 2005.
About how many were there?
Why did Natalee go to C and C’s that night? She was there on previous nights and she was told Sunday nights are no fun. (For sure for Natalee)
Why did the friends Natalee went out with leave and return earlier and without Natalee?
Why did Natalee want to stay almost two more hours?
Did she have any close acquaintances she could have relied upon to go back to the hotel?
Joran; why do you keep saying you were more interested in Ruth?
How and when did you find out that was her name?
Isn’t that your way of diverting attention away from the fact that you and the pimps had targeted Natalee from the beginning?
Which one of your friends spotted the fact that Natalee was away from her close friends and called you to get the plan started and come to C and C’s?
It takes about 45 minutes for the Kalpoes to leave Hooiberg come and pick you up and go to C and C’s.
That would mean your friend spotted Natalee alone just about the time her close friends left to return to the HI at around 11:00 to 11:15PM.
After you left C and C’s around 1:00am we know you did not take Natalee to your apartment. You took Natalee to your family’s sleeping quarters.
We know that something bad happened to Natalee and it was between the hours of 3:00AM and 4:00AM May 30th.
What does your father have over the Prosecution Office that even though you and the K2′s have admitted to and documented molesting and having non consensual sex with a victim who was coming in and out of consciousness, it still fails to bring you perps to trial and give you at least an eight year sentence?
By the way I would not trust a Dutch translation of Joran’s book into English. It’s much too easy to twist the words around. We have seen how easy that has been!!!
As an aside you wonder where these news reporters keep their heads when not on their shoulders. Charlie Gibson thought he was making a cute comment about the Queen coming back to visit the colonies. Doesn’t the a$$hole realize that England lost the colony when Cornwallis surrendered to Alexander Hamilton at Yorktown. I very much dislike him and GMA. Charlie; in case you don’t know where your paycheck is coming from; its called the United States of America now; been that for more than 225 years.
In light of Red’s questions in the article about why someone would vacation in Aruba, I want to add that this is not a case of no leads, no clues. They’ve got the guy who knows what happened–Joran van der Sloot, who admits it’s easier for him to lie.
Aside from that, if you’ve followed this case, you’ve heard and seen disdain from Aruban officials towards America. Oduber is quite chummy with Chavez (understandable, given their proximity), but after following this case, I doubt it’s just diplomacy or even economics that bind these two. They asked their own people to not talk about Holloway, they tried to get our State Dept. to get the news media to not criticize Aruba, the Prosecutor told Beth and Jug Twitty that they would stop investigating if they were critical, and they asked people to boycott Diario, an Aruban newspaper, because they were critical. Sounds like Oduber has been taking lessons on ruling his country from Chavez.
Let’s not forget PM Oduber’s speech shortly after Natalee disappeared, telling his people that if something bad happened to her in Aruba, it would be bad for them. Sounds like a strong hint to me.
I think Joran has been coached well by Papa. There is no body….and there is no clear story as he has told so many different ones — though he may be a sociopath, this has all been coached by Paulus.
By having a bunch of different lies to the story it makes it so much more difficult to convict…because what story will be presented as the truth. The fact that he admits he is a consummate liar helps his defense. The prosecution presents one story as fact, the defense states it was a lie and you can’t convict on the lie. This strategy works perfect in the Dutch Law – ‘Aruban Style’ system that allows suspects to lie all they want.
While Paulus coaches Joran to cover-up for Paulus’ conduct; Paulus with a little help from his friends made sure that there would be no physical evidence.
md
more than one Sociopath and enabler in aruba.to damn many,way to many.
I’m sorry I was so critical at the end of my last posting, but some of these news commentators think the are god’s gift to mankind. And meanwhile getting back to Greta; did you notice how she kept shifting her eys? And that was not caused by the telepromter. Who else does that when they are in an uncomfortable situation? She looked as if someone in the studio left out some wind and she couldn’t wait to get out of there.
Joran became a pathological liar after he met Natalee Holloway. He is already trying to add this in his defense as why he keeps lying. I wonder if any of character witnesses said he was a habitual liar? We are not buying it!!
Time is ticking for this spoiled punk! Let him deal with his Anger Management and Mental Issues in Prison!! Where he belongs!!
Don’t worry Deepak and Satish you are going down as well..Lets see if they think you talk and dress like a slut in prison!!
Guido,Freddy,Sander and Koen the game is up. Nobody bought Aruba’s sick ridiculous poor attempt of a coverup. Joran’s Book just made everyone aware that you all must face justice.
A lot of things have bothered me since Natalee disappeared. One is the Flight of F16′s with side sensing sonar. Someone please fill me in on this technology. I thought ships for underwater mapping only used it.
The F16 has a range of about 1400 miles. A little bit short flying all the way from Holland to Aruba. Where did these planes come from? Did anyone ever see them doing this futile exercise? Were they provided in flight refueling and if so by whom?
The Queen Beatrix airport houses USA drug enforcement planes. This means that a staff of DEA’s have to be stationed on Aruba.
Oduber nuzzles up to Chavez and drugs are abundant on Aruba. Apparently someone is not doing his or her job here. The USA buys oil from Venezuela has DEA’s on Aruba yet Chavez and Oduber both denounce the US. What’s wrong with this picture?
Why do we even bother with these countries or am I not privy to the grand scope of international politics?
1906,
Let me see if I’ve got this right.
The main house is directly behind Joran’s “apartment”.
The long rectangular like house with what appears to be butane tanks is like a bunkhouse or something?
Do I have that about right? What size structures are we talking about?
I’d say the bunkhouse looking structure is about 35 feet by 65. Is that about right? That would make it about 2200 square feet.
Jerry
It boggles my mind to see all the hatefulness and wrath that spews out of the mouths of the people in the blogs and on the news. The people who think they know all, including Beth Twitty, are missing one main point – they were not there – they do not know what happened. Because Joran was with Natalee on that night does not mean he was the last person to see her that night. I just learned today that there was a concert that night on that beach, with a lot of people on the beach that night. {{edit}}
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SM: Talk about hateful posts, yours takes the cake. By the way, if you are just learning now about the Soul Beach Concert you are WAY WAY behind. Next time you attempt to post that BS, I’m deleting your entire post (klaasend)
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SM: Hateful? No, the truth hurts to those that have an agenda to cover up the obvious. Use some deductive reasoning, you may even surprise yourself,
R
It makes me sick everytime I see that made up cuckoo story about it was another girl he was interested in and he didn’t even like Natalee.. Like he’s Mr. Good Looking intelligent stud and she was a girl from the street corner.
Natalee earned a full scholarship to be a dr. and was a beautiful girl..Way too good for him. sick is right. Another made up bunch of bs from him. We have all seen how he disposes of people he don’t want nothing to do with. Like throwing one over a bridge. If he didn’t like Natalee all he had to was say get lost. Instead he wants everyone to believe she forced herself on him and forced her way into the car. Like I said he plays the drunk card when it’s handy and then states she wasn’t drunk if it involves sexual stuff he engaged in with her, to try to keep himself out of trouble. She couldn’t be falling down drunk saying and doing crazy things , a little drunk and not drunk at all like he wants people to believe.
We know the old saying if you give someone enough rope..
1906,
Sorry, I just measured the rectangular house, and it’s only 20 feet by 40 feet = 800 square feet. Still a nice sized bunkhouse.
Jerry
Grace,
Something or rather someone (Joran) says you are very wrong about even considering his innocence. He has convicted himself many times with his own lies. Innocent people do not try to frame other people (the two security guards). He even pointed them out.
In my opinion, He is no normal teenager. He is big, he is mean, and he is dangerous. If you follow the posters long enough, you will see that we all have cut Joran a lot of slack from time to time.
Jerry
I was so disappointed to view the video and find American tourists, spending their hard earned money in Aruba, telling the AQloabama news reporter they disapprove of Joran making money off Natalee’s disappearance with the publishing of his book “The Case of Natalee Holloway”. Those people have no business in Aruba. They should be ashamed to even be seen there. What about the boycott of Aruba to support Natalee’s family and justice for an innocent young American tourist?
I have been boycotting Aruba for two years, after many years of repeated visits to Aruba. I have given up those trips for Natalee and her family. Shame on any American citizen who would go to Aruba and put money in their pockets!
Grace what a beautiful name for someone who has none. Duh Beth wasn’t there because if she was, Joran would never have taken Natalee in a car and she would be finishing her 2nd year of college.. Everything I need to know about a constant liar, I learned in preschool.
Waterboy Hi:
I was a little confused at one time but someone was nice enough to post the property and said the building in the upper right is Joran’s. The building in the lower left is the main sleeping quarters. And under the mass of trees is the main building. Joran’s picture holding the PC was taken against the inside wall at the bottom of the picture. By BTW WTF would want to take a pix of him. Someone only a mother could love and it shows their distaste for foreigners is inherited. The old expression is that they think their _ _ _ _ doesn’t smell!!!!!
So you can see if by Occam’s Razor and our buddy Arthur Conan Doyle; if the search warrant were issued to search the whole property but only Joran’s apartment was permitted and not the rest of the buildings, then Natalee was taken to the building in the lower left with the propane tanks and air conditioners.
In other words keep it simple and when you eliminate the impossible what remains is probably the truth.
Maggie,
Your story reminds me of a friend of mine who was an Army Ranger in Viet Nam. He caught this kid about like Joran crawling through his daughter’s bedroom window at 2 AM. His daughter was sound asleep, and had nothing to do with it. He grabbled the kid by the throat and drug, kicked, persuaded the at the time unknown kid into the lighted kitchen to see who he had.
When he got him into the light of the kitchen, he saw he had a neighbor kid.
The kid started telling my friend how he wasn’t interested in his daughter, how she was nothing but a slut etc. Can you imagine where an ex-Army Ranger went in his mind? He was able to control his actions, and called the kid’s dad. He told his dad, that he had caught his kid crawling through his daughter’s window-the dad’s reply-”not my son!” At this point the ex-Ranger put the kid on the phone and told him to tell his dad, that the daddy of the slut was bringing him home. He walked the kid home, with a swift kick to the butt every few steps. He said from that day on, the kid would wet his pants when he saw him, and never ever bothered his daughter again.
Jerry
1906,
The butane tanks, aren’t they scuba tanks?
Jerry
#13 I read an article in the Caribbean News about the 3 F16s they have to do mid air refueling to get back to Holland….the USAF would not have the tankers ready for a couple of weeks so they could not get back. The Dutch Tankers were in Afghanistan. They went on to say that that the real reason they had come was to map the ABC islands…..plans are for more development in the area….needed better maps.
At the time I spoke to some of the electronic warfare guys in Washington DC about this….they said it was not possible to do what the Dutch said they could do with those F16s, a sub maybe but a body,no chance.
I posted this when it happened on another site….some of the people in Aruba/Holland did not believe me…I could never find the article again to back it up….it was an important article because it puts 3 F16s, mapping and refueling all together….Sorry 13, my fault I should have kept the article.
what are the odds that the 3 suspects will be able to stay away from a drinking binge? once they hit a drunken stupor they’ll spill their guts.
enough to keep papa sweating for years.
To Houston: Thank you; It sounds like the myth is busted.
Hey Scared Monkeys! I love this site. However, I think the Las Vegas Visitors and Convention Authority might have that “what happens here, stays here” line copyrighted. Please check – I don’t want to see anyone get in trouble. Thanx
Waterboy:
Using the same methods;
They said they went to the lighthouse; but the guard there did not see Deepshit’s car.
They said they went to the Fisherman’s Huts. No one saw them. The knife and missing cage I believe are a red herring. OMG they put her in a cage and dumped her at sea. NOT.
They used Koen’s fathers boat. None of the fishing boats leaving at 4:00AM saw them at the dock. If that is the case then Mr. Gottenbos; YOU are an accessory after the fact.
They went to the beach. Again no one saw them.
We took her back to the HI. Again the cameras didn’t spot her nor did any of the MBHS students that were up half the night at the pool.
Deepak killed Natalee and buried her on the beach. He must have brought a back hoe with him. Bury her there, NOT.
The only place Deepak’s car was spotted after C and C’s was at the Van Der Sloot’s and again at a car wash. Add to that the mysterious phone call with a monkey screaming in the background. Joran’s neighbor has a monkey and they were away. Put that together with Anita and the other “Planned Parenthood Dropouts” were in Holland. Put that together with the assaults on Natalee on other nights by members of the pimps. Put that together that Koen stayed at the Van der Sloot’s that night and was later hustled off to Holland.
What do you get?
Someone called Joran from C and C’s and said that Natalee’s friends went back to the HI; lets do it. The call was probably place around 11to 11:15 PM just as her friend’s were leaving. Take the travel time from Hooiberg to Montana to C and C’s. Joran gets there around midnight. They get a drunk and drugged Natalee in the car make one stop to tell the rest of the pimps they hit the jackpot and the rest is “shark fest” time.
Joran calls PaPa Sloot sometime around three to three thirty that something is wrong with the girl I brought home. PVDS picks up JVd Straaten and arrive about 3:45 to 4:00AM
They find out what Natalee was given they google the interaction of alcohol and that drug. Something bad happens. Convulsions, heart attack, she stopped breathing; something? Some one realizes that Natalee has died and they have to get Natalee off the property soon. Anita is on her way home. How do you explain to Anita the bloody mattress? WTF Anita knows what Natalee’s underwear looks like. Either the garments were left behind or Natalee was not removed until Anita got home. In that case Anita YOU are an accessory after the fact.
I still say that she was put in a crypt at St. Ana’s cemetery. I don’t know how long. The caretaker knows but he is dead and the priest won’t talk. I don’t think the priest knew but found out from the caretaker. If said in the confessional the priest cannot discuss it.
Trips to the ATM for quick cash. Maybe some of D Jacobs motorcycle cops put her in a wagon took her there and the caretaker did the rest. Now I’m groping for straws.
You get the general picture.
PS Those tanks look to be about four feet high. I don’t think they are scuba tanks. I believe they are propane as Aruba I don’t believe has a natural gas distribution service. I could be wrong.
I wonder if Papa Sloot has had an affair with Karrin… That would explain a lot.
She is not a real looker but better that trailer trash Anita. Trailer Trash because she knows what happened.
Doesn’t care how it happened, doesn’t care who the girl is, she got my son in trouble, do anything but just get the “bitch” out of here.
Sorry Natalee I’m trying to make a point.
Joran, Paulus, Anita are just scum or you can call it mentally sick, depraved. Joran is incapable of emotional and moral sensitivity most normal people. Paulus is just like Joran.
Some Americans are incapable of being able to relate to others and show it by their actions, if it would be an inconvenience.. They are driven by their own selves without any moral accountability to do the right thing. I would say to Americans on Aruba you are a disgrace.
It boggles Grace’s mind…last time I heard that Joran said it boggled his mind.
1006,
One of the most interesting things and little touched on is that the DEA contacted Beth and the reason she made the trip so fast to Aruba is that it was clear something serious had happened.
I do believe that our DEA stationed on that island has phone taps, cell phone taps, and even though Aruba can’t track boats coming in and out of the area….I would be willing to bet our satellites and the DEA have no problem with this . I believe that our DEA not only knows what is going on on Aruba….but virtually everything happening 20 miles away in Venezuala.
I fully believe that our DEA knew that night exactly what went on with Paulus and the other perps. The problem is our method of getting that information probably is not within ‘Dutch Law’. Not admissable, but serious enough to let the Holloway/Twittys know that some serious stuff went down with their daughter. They know exactly what that stuff was.
md
The biggest boggler of all is when an idiot like grace comes here, announcing she just learned there was a concert on the beach that day therefore Jurine is innocent.
The aruba-bay video’s I believe tell a lot, the one with the painted rocks but mainly the one with the large piece of clear plastic in the pocket of the bridge. When you enlarge the video and pause it at 3 min. and 14 seconds you can see in the far right hand side of the video, a pair of shoes on the waters edge. The hotels are not far away in the distance and you can see foot tracks in the wet sand. This water channel looks like it could lead out to the ocean. This could have been the pick up place for a body. I have sent the links of the video’s to Jossy to give to the Dutch investigators. Let’s pray for any break to happen soon. Steve Holloway
Any American that still vacations in Aruba is ignorant, crazy or an a’hole, therefore i just think of it as a
*thinning of the herd* if you know what i mean.
Lord knows we’ve done all we could these last 2 years warning not just American’s but Everyone that Aruba is NOT safe and is run by a criminal element.
32: Minnesota Dad: You realize you just answered why the US State Department has not gotten involved in this case.
If anyone would like to talk to any of our acquaintences on Aruba or write to them… let your fingers do the walking.
http://www.arubayp.com/index.html
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DAYS NATALEE HOLLOWAY
HAS BEEN MISSING OR DEAD
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Bring her on home.
Hello Mr. Holloway,
That’ll be great if the Dutch investigator’s see those video’s, someone said once that a still capture from the pond basin was sent to an FBI Agent or something. They need more than the stills though they need to download the entire video’s and see for themselves going frame by frame. And there has been some who’ve laughed at Carpe and i when we describe some of the things we are seeing, and to those people i have this to say. Just becasue YOU don’t see anything DOESN”T mean nothings there, best example i can give is……ya can’t see microbes and bacteria nor virus’s either but you KNOW they exist.
mayan_moons: How about this one.
“You needn’t see a speck of sand to know its in your eye”.
Quote Shango.
No wonder there is no reported crime on Aruba, I can’t find the phone number for the damn police.
I looked for 10 minutes and can’t find it. I must be getting tired.. It’s late.
Carpe! Those eyes……the comparrison to Natalee’s in pictures taken of her right there in Aruba match up so well. Very compelling!
Now i missed seeing Shango say that but it hits home in so many ways regarding this case.
Much like the microscope allows us to see microbe’s and pathogens that we otherwise never see…..i’m certain with the right image enhancing technology everything in these video’s can be seen.
My hats still off to you Carpe for the amazing work you’ve done with these video’s, i can’t say that enough!
mayan_moon:
Sorry I misquoted it’s grain not speck…
123: Shango Says:
June 28th, 2005 at 1:32 am
For the doubters: You do not need to see a grain of sand in your eye to know it is there
You donÃt have to see something plausible to judge it plausible. This is all possible, even if it sounds far-fetched.
To: 18 – Jerry – You are a perfect example of the hatred and accusatory misinformation spewed by people who were not there and do not know what happened. If you check the records, Joran did not accuse the security guards – it was the Kalpoe brother’s fabricated story, not Joran’s. He may not have set the record straight originally, but he did when he talked to Greta. Grace.
To #46 UNgrace
How dare you come here and pretend to know what you are talking about and disrespecting any of these dilligent, intelligent monkeys? Why don’t you spend sometime reading the wealth of information on this case before you begin spewing your hatred?
Monkeys you are the best! Keep up the wonderful work! Justice for Natalee!
“I think that’s sick, I really do. To be able to profit off of something like this is horrible. Whether he did it or didn’t do it doesn’t matter, just sick” (Will Formato)
“I am disappointed kinda that he would capitalize on something bad that happened like that and feel like he could make money on other people’s unhappiness.” (Janet Beatty)
“I don’t like the idea that somebody that was so closely involved to the situation would then write a book to profit from it.” (Fox)
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Didn’t Dave Holloway wrote a book to?
# 13 10061906 | May 5, 2007, 8:44 pm & Houston | May 5, 2007, 9:49 pm
I thought the main importance of the dutch F16′s was their infra-red technology; with that they could easely see changes in the surface of the island. I.o.w: that way they could see where fi recent digging had been done.
I hadn’t heard of the sonar technology being aplied there.
There’s been little news from Aruba since the searches at the vdS compound. Let’s hope the Dutch are re-interviewing people while they figure out what to do next.
I wonder if any of those tourists interviewed put it together and said, “Hey, I just realized … my coming here helps keep the Aruban system going. Never again!”
Or maybe they can’t figure that out … then if something happens to them, they’ll be screaming for help.
Boycott Aruba, folks. As if your life depended on it.
I think the NL’s has a law that forbids to make money of a crime (f.i. writing a book about it). So when he in the end IS convicted for abduction/drugging/rape/killing/etc. he maybe has to pay all the money he earned with this book, back!
(But Joran than will probaply argue: Hey, this book is totaly FICTIONAL… It has no true facts in it………….)
No # 49 the F16s did their so call water search first, the land search came later…it was a big deal, the dutch brought about 50 support people with them but they where all there to Map the ABC islands…..these ABC islands had been on the Dutch for a long time to do this mapping.
Hey Everyone, lets do what everyone here does best. Lets e-mail or write a letter to the tourists who were interviewed and tell them ” Shame on you, how dare you go to Aruba we’re you are 100% certain to get harmed”.
Also let’s e-mail Fox who eagerly brings the news and tell them to pitch a tent bring their own food because hey just by being here they have to rent hotel rooms, pay restaurants, rental cars etc etc.
I haven’t seen no reporters asking the question to any American tourists: “Why are you then here on the island which for two years has been said, on the US Media, to be the devil in the Caribbean”. It has been asked here on this blogg and many more, but that question always is thrown out in the open and surprisingly no one never answers.
And as to Joran’s book, it’s just sickening. If all here want to get Joran, how about suing him in the Netherlands for Using the Holloway’s name in his book or any other topics/name regarding the Alabamian Family. Dutch law does allow that!
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Gabriel Leo,
Please tell me that people on Aruba actually think like this and cannot expand on the concept.
Here is the pont GL … Aruba attached itself with JVDS a long time ago. You cannot separate them anymore. All the talking heads in Aruba, the media (except Jossy), the atty, the govt officials, the tourism and hotel people all defended JVDS to protect their little island. Two years later, one can no longer separate JVDS from Aruba. That is now Aruba’s job to do … that is why the tourism declined. Aruba gave the perception to the world of defending JVDS.
The point was that tourists on Aruba were making comments abut JVDS making money off a terrible situation and calling it wrong. Well it is wrong for a person suspected of murder to do so and exploit and cause further harm to a family. It also became wrong for the MSM to stop reporting on the story and just exploit it.
However, Aruban Tourism & Govt officials knowingly tried to cover up and do damage control of a missing person case in Aruba to save their tourism industry. HOW WRONG IS THAT!
If these people had been interviewed in the US that would have been different. However, they have no issue going to Aruba where all of this took place. JVDS did not get away with this with no help from others and connections of his father. These tourists state they are disgusted with JVDS, well then why are they not disgusted with how Aruban officials treated the family and the search of a fellow American.
THAT IS THE POINT! DUH!
R
i guess grace also missed the video with greta where the security guard says deepak apologized to him for getting him in trouble and that deepak, satish, jvds, and at least paulus sat at the pool and made up the drop off at the hi story.
dennisintn
#48- Yes Natalee’s Dad wrote a book, but not for profit…DUH!!!what is wrong with all of you TIRED ppl? Get real, GRACE you also.Were you born yesterday????READ first then open mouth…
MR.HOLLOWAY, please know that our prayers are with your family and we pray for closure. We all have come to love Natalee like our own and want Justice for her and all of you.
#49 Robert; please read #24: Houston concured that flyby for what they were looking for was too small. They were on a photo mission and the US provided in flight refueling, much as I thought I had read also.
The flyby for Natalee was more Aruban BS.
We already knew Joran wasn’t interested in Natalee for himself. He was doing the bidding of his FATHER. The Kalpoes said none of them got out of the car at the VDS house but they didnt say Natalee didnt get out of the car…..
To: 18 – Jerry – You are a perfect example of the hatred and accusatory misinformation spewed by people who were not there and do not know what happened. If you check the records, Joran did not accuse the security guards – it was the Kalpoe brother’s fabricated story, not Joran’s. He may not have set the record straight originally, but he did when he talked to Greta. Grace.
Comment by Grace | May 6, 2007, 1:59 am
To Grace,
As the little Boy Scout use to say “so”
It amazes me daily how more lies about the case are told by those who accuse the suspects of lying.
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SM: Since you appear to be posting from the Netherlands, maybe you know Joran? Would you care to point out the lies you are accusing us of? (klaasend)
58 comments about this book. How many of you have read it?
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SM: Several Dutch posters are translating the book, so many of us have at least read parts. Many of the comments have also been translated as have articles written by Dutch criminalists and the consensus is Joran’s book makes him look MORE guilty (klaasend)
To Grace,
I have a feeling you may know more than you are willing to tell, and if so-good. Search your soul and see where the posters here fit in. I think you will see some genuine concern on the part of all monkeys. We have learned to trust each other, and believe me we “let it all hang out”, much like we would if we were all in a living room discussing the case. Our discussions are more of a “what if”. There is not a single one of us that knows what happen. We have compiled the facts, statements, and actions of all and come to some conclusions, upon which we do not all agree.
So, my advice to you is cut us some slack, and we will do likewise with you.
Is there some hate here? Sure. Is that a cardinal sin? Maybe. Will I eat my hat if Joran is innocent? Yes indeed, I just ask for some salt.
Joran is admittedly an easy person to hate. In my opinion, he is ugly, he is big, he is disrespectful to all including his mom, his dad (who deserves no respect), and to Natalee’s family. He is a bully, a drinker, a gambler, a luster, and a liar. He makes it very easy to dislike him; I guess you could say hate. Even if he turns out to be innocent (which is very much unlikely), I will still “hate” him.
Jerry
What we have seen of the book so far :
Everthing Joran says about his so called life in Aruba prior to May of 2005 is EXACTLY what was in the court documents filed in New York and the EXACT opposite of what Anita and Paulus were allowed to share with us courtesy of the US Networks. How is it that on such a small island that the parents were so unaware of the nocturnal activities of their deliciuos sporter of a son ? They even hired Joe Tacopina to rehabilitate Joran’s US image. Why ? And how much did that cost ? BTW I don’t think it worked.
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I don’t know why there isn’t an injunction in the NL ???
for Joran profiting from using Natalee’s name while he is the Prime Suspect. Very sick, but then we are dealing with the Van Der Sloots who think that if they lie lie lie and hire a high priced lawyer it becomes the truth.
I would like to set the recors straight as far as RAMM is concerned. He seems to be a decent person. He is translating the book over at BFN and is doing a great job. Hats off to you Ramm and i want to apolize to you.
WATERBOY, Jerry..you hit it right on the nose…he is very easy to dislike even if he wasnt accused of RAPE AND MURDER.
To Grace,
Really, I don’t mean to rag on you, but your statement— “If you check the records, Joran did not accuse the security guards – it was the Kalpoe brother’s fabricated story, not Joran’s. He may not have set the record straight originally, but he did when he talked to Greta,” makes absolutely no sense. Joran is by is own admission a “liar”.
If you believe anything Joran says, confusion abounds in your life.
I’m so sorry.
Jerry
For Post 59…We are not accusing J2k’s of lying. We are only in total agreement to the fact that THEY say they lie. How can one believe they don’t lie when Joran and Nadira readily admits to lies by all?
#46
Grace,
Get your head out of your rectum. Joran and the Kalpoes and Daddy Sloot were all envolved in the story that ended up involving the security guards. In addition some of the security guard woes were attributed to comments made by Greta van Susteran’s favorite suspect, Boeti, who is as you should know Dumb Pigs Brother in Law. Get your facts straight.
Grace..what a BS..so the Kalpoes made up the story?? but Joran agreed with it..so that makes him a big fat lyer too.
Its so funny how Joran and his friends try to put the blame on the Kalpoes..I read his book..digusting how he talks about Satish and Deepaks privat things..like it matters…and probably also all lies.
I think they should put Joran in jail..for all the harm he caused..not only for Natalee’s family both also for all the innocent Arubians..
Klaasend..how are you..I’m sorry but posts like Grace’s pisses me off..
As far as I am concerned the book should have never been published. It’s full of lies. At least the US realizes that. Aruba doesn’t. I won’t buy it – it’s the same thing that OJ tried to pull. We all knew he was guilty but found not guilty. And then he tries to write a book – “If I did it”. Our legal system here in the US does have it’s flaws. But if Aruba investigated the case from the beginning I think they would have had enough evidence to convict the 3. Just my opinion. And the “no body no case” comment was said to soon. If you murder someone and hide the body in a place no one will find you would make a statement like this. Not someone that is innocent. And you would also not sweat horribly, volunteer to have your house searched and volunteer to participate in the searches for Natalee(in their eyes “the missing girl”. They did none of the above. Case closed. Charge the 3. Oh I forgot – the 3 plus sweaty.
Grace give me a break. How can you take up for that loser? Says a lot about you.
Linda, think again. You know more than I do and I was fooled.
Read women read. Its right b4 our eyes. You do not assume your phones and chats are tapped two hours after you get home, esp if you werent there and do not know what happened. I was hoping the dates or times were wrong, but they dont appear they are wrong… No disrespect my friend.
I openly admit I was fooled big time…
This book is Jorans change to tell his story to the public.
I do believe media and other sources made him guilty before trial, but I’m not really sure he is…
The lies he told and especially his first lie (dropping Natalee at the hotel) doesn’t make a person guilty of a crime. At the time Joran was 17 years old and assuming he didn’t do anything ‘wrong’ to Natalee he sure was afraid at the time.
What would you do, when you leave a girl at the beach and the day after you hear she’s missing and you were the last person she saw? I would scare the shit out of me!
No, at this moment I don’t think he’s guilty for murder or kidnapping Natalee, I believe the story that he left her at the beach.
But yes, he’s guilty of lying, and the lies he told weren’t helping to solve this case. If Joran told the police officers he left her at the beach the police officers could start investigating at and near this point.
So, my opinion:
Joran is not guilty for murder or kidnapping Natalee, but is guilty of lying which blocked police officers in this case. Therefore you could say he’s responsible for the missing of Natalee, but I’m really sure most of us would have done the same at his age.
For this fault Joran will pay the rest of his life.
Knowing he’s not guilty, but missed the opportunity for clearing his name by telling lies…
#46 – Is that you Anita? Only a Mother could believe this self-admited pathological liar and say what you do with a straight face!
#70 – Through Joran’s own words we know he has been lying for most of his life and he considers himself pretty damn good at it. No, his reaction was not normal that second night and he deliberatly took everyone away from where he eventually claimed to leave her.
Btw, when it was clear that the security guard story was not going to work, he switched to blaming his friend Deepak by saying he thought he raped he raped and murdered Natalee. When that one didn’t work, he changed his story to imply that Satish was the last one at the beach with Natalee.
If it serves his purpose, next he will accuse YOU of being the last one with Natalee!
Hey everybody….i don’t know about you but IF police and the parents of the person i was with last night came to my door asking questions and i’d done Nothing wrong, i’d be more afraid for the person missing than myself. I’d be assisting in every way i could, not compounding the Lie by pointing and/or describing persons that were not there.
You are right about one thing Tied…..Jurine WILL Pay For This For Rest Of His BS Life!
#73 – RIGHT! The normal person would be concerned about the missing person and do everything possible to help find them. Only criminals immediately go into the cover-my-ass MO.
#74 – That and eternity in hell!
Tied,
Stop the BS….the focus on Joran is all part of the BS on this whole thing from the start. Yes, Joran and the boys did some bad things that they have confessed to.
But….people like yourself (and I wouldn’t be surprised if you have a Dutch IP address) like to focus this on Joran.
THE WHOLE FOCUS AND SPOTLIGHT SHOULD BE ON PAULUS. HE IS YOUR PERP.
Yes, Joran and crew will get seven years in the pokey for their admitted crimes….but Paulus has 15 coming. Why do shills to this website always focus on Joran not being guilty but say nothing about Paulus. Why did Aruba try so hard to distance Paulus from this case? Why did Aruba not search the whole compound two years ago….it is all about protecting Paulus and his friends now.
Unless Aruba and the Dutch investigators want to cover-up the cover-up…Paulus needs to be brought back into this case now and put in handcuffs.
md
The Dutch search of Sloots house,was a sham.They can now say they did a complete search and close case.Joran and his crew raped and killed Natalee,theres no question in my mind of it.Have you looked at Arubas beach cam lately hardly no one on beach.
#53 – Hey yo, a$$ trumpet!!!
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“I haven’t seen no reporters”
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> That is what they call a double negative.
BOYCOTT ARUBA
(& drop it like it’s hot)
-j4n
@minnesota dad
I’m Dutch indeed, but it wouldn’t change my view at this case even if Joran was Russian.
I think he isn’t guilty, based on the things I saw and read. You think he’s quilty based on the things YOU saw and read.
Shoot me for having another opinion then the most of you…
Till today this case isn’t solved and I’m afraid it never will be.
It doesn’t look good for Joran, mostly because of the huge media attention and off course the lies he told, but separate from my opinion justice haven’t found a fact that proves he IS guilty.
Believe me, if Joran is guilty even I want him to hang, but for now I think he isn’t. Sorry…
#70, i suspect this is one of those women who proposed to scott peterson after his conviction. they must think alike anyway. really weird.
dennisintn
#44 – hey, thanks Mayan.
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Tied
Are you on drugs? No, most of us would not have lied to police if innocent.
Joran not only lied to police, but he told Natalee’s mother he would tell her what happened when he wanted too! Joran is a criminal any way you look at it. He is also inhumane. It isn’t one decent bone in his body.
TIED Knowing he’s not guilty, but missed the opportunity for clearing his name by telling lies…
He is not going thru life with this because of lying
He is going thru this because all indications lead to him as being one of the guilty party.
Tied please don’t come here and try and tell me Joran is only a liar, that is really far-fetched. I don’t think anybody appreciates you jumping on here all of a sudden a declaring a Joran liar only. He is a lot worse than that.
#79 – I would love to hear what you think happened to Natalee Holloway, if Joran did nothing but rape her and leave her passed out on the beach.
Y/W Carpe…..working on the video’s is a lesson in itself to the depths of depravity that a human being can sink to. Its not a pretty thing to see coz the video’s confirm that every horrible fear we had of what these goons did to Natalee….and more.
@Allan K
So an admin should ban me for having another opinion then the most of you?
We’re all assuming what COULD have happened, but when I have another opinion I’m stupid and on drugs… Nice going…
Conciousness of Guilt Stranger explains the lies,the cleaning of the car, Paulus hiding in the bushes, hiring lawyers for your son and alot of his friends, refusal to let your house be searched in 1st warrant.
Hey MD!
Not sure if you’ve read any of my posts but i like you have been saying and believing Paulus was in charge of that night. Watching the casino video told me it was Paulus who wanted to rape Natalee and he used his own son to drug Natalee and bring her to him.
There are NO coincidences. Paulus is sitting next to Natalee and in less than 24 hours he’s calling Natalee a corpse.
@mayan_moons
Could you give me the url of the casino video?
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SM: Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA3NKpGHnqc
Tied – I hope you are not banned for having an opinion. I would like to know why you and some others think the way you do. It all seems so obvious to me and it takes some real effort to try an see it as anything other than what it appears.
Hey Tied: I guess Dompig is definetly incompetent if judged against your criteria.
“Dompig; “The three are guilty as hell”!!! “Within 48 hours you will have met the perpetrators”.
Then like you he changes his story. Probably when he was told his son may also have been involved.
His B/S story about Natalee overdosing and drowning is the sign of a cover compared to his earlier statements. All of which he has no proof or evidence. But he can say Natalee was high on drugs (that someone slipped in her drink) and she drowned (because some one held her head underwater)”.”.
Your absolutely correct when you say we are all working on circumstantial evidence. However which lies from Joran and the K2′s are we to believe. Joran says I will lead you to the body. Nothing materializes. Deepak, something bad happened. Why did he say that? Sex, we all had sex with her coming in and out of consciousness. Joran; “Deepak came back and killed Natalee and buried her.” If you know anything about the terrain on Aruba he would have needed a back hoe. Speaking of a back hoe Anita. She knows the color of the victims under garments. Joran can describe items on Natalee’s body that could be seen only if she were nude.
Yeah; If the three had not made a written declaration of what they did; I would be inclined to maybe agree with you.
The F16 flybys were a sham. They only way those planes could find a buried body would have been on the halo deck of the Starship Enterprise. After you sober up a little come back and we can talk some more.
This case initially was almost so easy a caveman could have solved it. But no this happened on Aruba when something and someone got in the way.
Amsterdam Law’s, Bluesky’s and your BS, will not deter us from getting to truth.
And we will, eventually, we will.
JUSTICE 4 NATALEE!
JUSTICE 4 NATALEE!
JUSTICE 4 NATALEE!
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#70 You have to remember they were all sitting around the swimming pool making up the story they would tell police about the guards (with them possible going to prison for along time if they got convicted)and daddy sloot saying no body no case.
@Allan K
So an admin should ban me for having another opinion then the most of you? NO!
We’re all assuming what COULD have happened, but when I have another opinion I’m stupid and on drugs… Nice going…
YES! When you tell me his only guilt is lying. Yes when you come here trying to minimize Joran’s fault to a little lying.
No I don’t think you are stupid maybe twisted.
Check that picture again with Oduber and Beth. Is that a knife in his right hand?
No knife. Didn’t you know all back stabbers use invisible knives?
Tied,
You certainly have the right to express your own opinions…
I won’t rag on ya about that. …but my take on it was
that Joran had a shot to tell the world his side of the
story each time he appeared on network tv. Ultimately,
each time he told it, it would turn out to be an
ENTIRELY DIFFERENT STORY. That is why 90 percent of
Americans think that Joran Van der sloot is a whole butt,
and I am pretty sure the other 10 percent think it’s
the other way around. (AOL Online Poll)
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P.S. For the record, 90 percent of Americans don’t normally
agree on ANYTHING, EVER. LOL
Tied – nice try but we don’t buy it. who’s your Daddy?
66 –
“Get your head out of your rectum.”
RECTUM!?!?
It damn near killed him! -j4n
Tied,
I agree with you that the posters here should’nt jump into conlusions and theorize to wildly.
But…. Joran has – according to Aruban laws – admitted he raped Natalee (when in and out of consious). Has obstructed the investigation. Has falsly accused two innocent people. Has made countless contradictive statements. And so on, and so on…. AND KEEPS ON TELLING LIES IN HIS BOOK – WHICH CAN BE PROVED AND HAS BEEN PROVED.
I think you’ve just not read into the facts enough. (And to your excuse, I know that isn’t easy because the dossier is getting very big by now…)
Tied.. Justice hasn’t found a fact to prove he’s guilty?
When’s the last time you had a friend or friends who went out at closing time to pick up intoxicated females and go out on a consensual date and had consensual sex and the female was missing the next morning forever? First thing someone goes looking for her, everyone who was with her starts engaging in criminal conduct.
There is no facts to prove Natalee wasn’t drugged or that she willingly went in the Kalpoes car, and didn’t know it wasn’t a taxi or that she wasn’t just getting a ride back to her hotel room.
There is no facts to prove, Natalee wanted to go see sharks.
There is no facts to prove Natalee wanted to have consensual sex or all that sexual activity Joran described in explicit detail including her body parts and underwear at the lighthouse.
There is no facts to prove after the bar closed Natalee wanted to go to a back bar and drink a rum151 shot with Joran.
There is no facts to prove Natalee said her mom was hitlers sister
There is no facts to prove Natalee said she had a plantation or mentioned slaves.
There is no facts to prove Natalee went to the beach by the Marriot and took her shoes off and left them.
There is no proof Natalee was at the beach.
There is no proof Natalee wanted to have sex with Joran on the beach, but he forgot a condom so they didn’t.
There is no proof Natalee wanted to stay on a dark beach in a foreign country alone at 3am.
Based on Natalee’s past record all of these things would be totally out of character and strange for her. Natalee’s family and friends said she was very reliable and dependable and on time, well prepared and honest. Noone changes their character 360 degrees for no reason unless they were drugged or it’s all made up lies about her. It’s real easy to go out and tell 10000 stories about a girl if you know in fact she’s no longer alive to refute any of it.
Based on Joran’s past record.. he says he’s a pathological liar, still lies everyday.. FBI profiled him as sociopath who ruled the house and answered to noone, he was the boss.
The police has stated it would take over 2 days to tell all the lies these 3 have told in this case. That night he was in a casino gambling underage, and drinking underage, the girls have said he told them he was an exchange student from Holland and he told them he was 19..He was in Carlos n Charlies underage drinking that night. He has a history of seeing a pyschologist for anger problems and stealing money. Brags he has done this 20 times before.. It was a school night and he was out till past 3am. Not only that night, but the following night gambling and drinking underage and out past 3. Yet he had to get home the night before for school tests. Brags it takes a case of beer to get him drunk and he’s been drinking since he was 14. Brags that he started having sex around 13 years old. Slanders Natalee repeatedly. Refuses to go search for Natalee and lies to the cops for almost 2 years then says I’m not talking to them anymore. In the police car transcript he tells Deepak she shouldve killed him, and talks about hitting them. He also says if they find that girl they will see that chit. He can’t account for where his shoes are from that night, but he lied about his shoe size to the cops. Everyone who has looked at this case in law enforcement still list him as the prime suspect and the father knows more. 3 fisherman from the beach that night said they saw noone matching Joran and Natalee’s description at the beach near the huts. 3 dif ways it ended. Deepak took him home then they dropped Natalee off and went home, Deepak, Satish, and Joran took Natalee to the Holiday Inn then they all went home, They took Joran and Natalee to the beach and dropped her off. 4 dif ways he got home from the beach.. He walked home, Deepak picked him up, Satish picked him up.. Satish and Deepak say they didn’t pick him up from the beach still.
Joran claims Deepak had a very loud car.. He heard it coming from quite a ways off that night to pick him up at the beach. Deepak and Satish went to pick him up at the house and his father never heard the car when he was sneaking out? They parked the car and went into Joran’s house. They were driving around all over that night with Natalee noone has come forward to see or hear that car driving around? They were at the beach twice in that loud car noone has come forward to see or hear that car at the beach twice? They were out in front of Joran’s house and noone heard or saw that car that night? Fact is there is not one bit of proof Joran ever went to the beach that night with Natalee or that Natalee thought she was going anywhere but to her hotel to come home the next day.. Natalee didn’t achieve everything she did in her short life by being dumb like they want people to believe about her. 3 guys go out at closing time to pick up an intoxicated female to leave her on a beach due to no condom. give me a break.
So if you are basing your opinion on facts.. there is no facts to prove Natalee wanted to do anything but get a ride back to her hotel.
Based on Joran’s statement above lying makes it easy for him.
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You know; someday all these lies are going to come out and quite a few individuals are going to get bitten right in the…… You have to pick up their innuendos.
A few posters have said that Paulus is the real pervert. That Paulus had the hots for Natalee. But I don’t think anyone has mentioned how he managed to get her?
I just had a thought. Pretty unusual at my age however:
Remember, Joran stated that C and C’s is no fun on Sundays. She asked me to come and that is why I went to C and C’s. Natalee arrived at C and C’s around 9:30.
Joran gets there around 12:00, an hour before closing. That’s almost 2 ½ hours that Natalee is there but no Joran even though he was asked to come(?).
I posted that for Joran to get to C and C’s by around midnight, Deepak would have had to leave his house around 11:00 to 11:15PM Natalee’s friends leave her vulnerable around 11:00PM I also posted that perhaps one of Joran’s friends was at C and C’s and spotted Natalee without her close friends and called Joran. Joran calls Deepak to pick him up and the timeline fits almost to the minute.
Let’s go back to Papa Sloot. I picked up Joran at McDonalds at 4:00AM giving them both an alibi. Distancing them away from his house. PaPa Sloot then makes a mistake and changes his declaration, in order to give himself a better alibi; to I picked up Joran and Natalee at McDonald’s at 11:00PM. Why did he pick that time? That’s the time Natalee was at C and C’s but away from her friends. She had been drinking and now was quite vulnerable.
Guess who I think followed the MBHS students to C and C’s and made the call? Made the call to his son. The other Planned Parenthood dropouts are not on Aruba. The backhoe Anita is not there. They get Natalee and stop to make a call. Deepak was out of minutes and triangulation would show where Joran was at about 1:10AM. Maybe at this time Natalee tries to get away and falls out of the car and hits her head. Not enough to kill her but she is now bleeding in Deepaks backseat once they get her back.
The junior pimps need a senior pimp with legal skills just in case one of the other twenty times we did this something bad would happen.
Paulus I do not believe has been asked to submit an alibi even though he was arrested.
He was arrested so he could be a suspect and lie; as a witness he couldn’t. It was behind closed doors at the prison where the cover up was hatched.
To Grace
Grace Joran has never set anything straight or told the truth except for one time when he said I lied.
Paulus,Joran Anita all have serious mental issues.
Grace if you go to some other sites you will really hear hatefulness.
Grace I only think you are deceitful if it makes you feel better.
If you only look at one of
the slides today (from #24)
…
Make it this one. -j4n
http://tinyurl.com/ywkjjy
#12. interesting statement that “Joran became a pathological liar AFTER he met Natalee”… I can not agree with your statement… pathological liars, are not born overnight…as you suggest ~ no, he’s been one all along…and he’s admitted his lies. (even in this book)
For Grace ~ I have a some questions for you ~ I’m curious if you would you agree or disagree that Joran has admitted he lies? Have you personally read Joran’s book? Your conclusion to this.
You seem to be a nice person with obvious passion behind your statements… Do you live in Aruba? If yes, how has this affected you or your family ~ I would think that it must be tremendously difficult living on that Island because of the impending boycott and the lack of tourism dollars coming in, I am a Mother of 2 young men, both in college a business owner in the community I live in in the U.S. ~ it would be devestating to experience what many individuals as well as small & even large businesses are experiencing on that island.
I mentioned to my son who’s 21 and my husband in conversation while driving home today ~ the impact on how a few people’s sins can change 97,000 lives on the Island of Aruba ~ Something is not right, Grace.
If I were a small business owner, or lived in Aruba, I personally would be leading charge on a peace march to the Vandersloot home, the Kapole’s home on to the Police Station, then continue to the courthouse and have a peace rally ~ not saying ONE SINGLE word. Silence has been the theme on the Island. In the silence, volumes are being said and spoken Grace.
For Joran, he’s speaking volumes too, and written volumes about it. It seems very irrational someone would wish to boast about the murder of a beautiful young girl ~ he seems to like the attention this has brought to himself… and I wonder, if he gets a rush out of it. Most people would not want to bring such world wide attention to themselves ~ especially for being the top one of two suspects in a murder crime. Do you think he’s thinking rationally or has some mental disorder?
I personally feel Joran, could be considered a sociopath ~ Look at O.J. Simpson ~ he killed his wife, murdered an innocent young man and also has written a book ~ he walks around in his delusional world ~ honestly, feeling that he didn’t kill his wife and an innocent man…that was heinous and outrageous that he got away with literal murder(s)…
Do you know Joran or his family personally?
Do you feel there has been a cover up to the investigation of the disappearance of Natalee Holoway?
What do you think happened to her? Who do you think killed her?
This Mom would like to know your thoughts and I await your reply.
Tied,
Yes, you are from the Netherlands…No, you don’t seem to follow my post.
Joran is guilty of kidnapping and rape under Dutch Law. He and his buddies, the Kalpoes have admitted this. Steve Cohen, Aruba’s spokesperson admitted this. Dompig has admitted they are “guilty as hell”. Van Strattan admitted that he had access to all the evidence and the boys were guilty. Aruban Law Enforcement even announced a confession and went out to get the body (see Aru-bay videos which show Paulus and Joran driving away from the scene while unknown people of European descent …most likely Dutch…corrupt and destroy the crime scene).
So yes….Joran and his buddies can write all of the books that they want…..Aruban law enforcement has made it clear that the boys did some terrible things — but, on June 10th things changed.
The problem is that Paulus Van Der Sloot was involved in the ultimate demise and ‘disappearance of Natalee’. Paulus filed with the Aruban courts not to allow the FBI to assist a search. Paulus told the boys, “no corpse, no crime” in the days following. Paulus had a judge staying overnight at his home amend a search warrant to not allow Aruban investigators into the crime scene – Paulus and Anita’s home. Paulus had judges (who were his friends) assist him with legal procedures that made him virtually untouchable for his crimes. I could go on…but what is the point…you are here to distract us with Joran arguements. Even in the most recent search of his property has been a joke — as Paulus was giving press time stating high sources have told him the Dutch have found nothing. Paulus was even sick enough to provide a letter “From Natalee” saying she was pregnant with Jugs baby and that Joran was never with Natalee that night (well…I guess Joran’s new book changes that whole story)
PAULUS IS YOUR PERP AND NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT BACK IN.
To the Dutch Investigators: Since September I have been harping on you. WHY WON’T YOU ASK ARUBA TO RETRACT KARIN JANSSEN’S LETTER STATING THAT PAULUS IS NO LONGER A SUSPECT. This fact alone shows why I believe that this whole Dutch investigator issue is for show — its more than clear that Paulus has been covered for by his friends.
It is also becoming more than clear that the Dutch investigators were nothing more than another flyby with F16s….make things look like we tried so we can throw this in the trash can. This whole case is a sick cover-up carried out by amateurs that have made so many mistakes that there is no credibility left for Aruba.
md
Awwwh, Gabe,
Don’t be cranky just because Aruba’s COVERUP is glaringly obvious!
Aruba’s been found out and is getting called out.
The strange thing is: Aruba did the exact opposite of what it should have done. The smart thing to do would have been to tell the truth about Natalee’s demise and punish those who caused it. Tourists would have realized that crime happens everywhere, but at least justice prevailed.
But DUH, instead, Aruba tries to pretend Natalee just magically vaporized,
kicks sand in the face of Natalee’s mother, and pretends to look for her,
all the while letting the perps roam free.
Now its tourism is in the tank. Ironic, isn’t it?
Better hope the Dutch solve this case.
Perps need to be in JAIL.
New slogan for Aruba:
Long on Lies
Short on Justice
Book reviews:
Joran VanDerSloot drugged, kidnapped, raped and murdered Natalee Holloway.
Next review:
Hey Rudy Croes,
Bad News – Good News
Bad News:
Your toupee crawled out of the window last night
trying to get away from you.
Good News:
We put in a call to Animal Control…
They said they’d trap it & have it
back to you in the morning.
The outrage over this case isn’t going away anytime soon.
Listen up you Dutch and Aroobans:
GET IT TOGETHER AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
Carpe – LOL!! Croes is the “rug doctor”.
#70 Tied
very interesting point, thank you.
“For this Joran will pay for the rest of his life.”
It reminds us that Paulus has 2 other sons and in making the decison to lie and cover for Joran he has created a life of fear and shame for his other sons. You are right. It is sad that he does not love them. They must feel terrible.
-gutfeeling
get over it!
Gabe,
Aruba made a bad decision two years ago to back the Sporter.
Now Aruba is stuck with Joran as a walking billboard advertisement for its island.
Happy Tourism!
When I look at the book cover, that little inserted picture of the “Guilty liar, otherwise known as JVS” my mind automatically saw of one of those carved monkeys made out of coconuts that you can buy in gift stores! Maybe he can have those made holding a little wooden sign that says “Guilty as Sin” or “I am a murderer!” or “I love to lie!” He should rot in hell along with the other liars in this case!
***BAN ARUBA***
PEACE BE WITH NATALEE!!
LOL
For real Indy Dan!
Rudy definitely has that Moe Fine, kinda
Buck Wheat, sorta Phil Spector thang
going on…
It is very Donnie and Marie… it’s a little
bit Country, & a little bit Rock ‘N Roll TOO.
James Traficante ain’t got nothing on Croes!
The Dutch need to expose why PVDS didnt get the judgeship. I believe it was more than simply not passing a test..unless to become a judge you have to pass a drug test. The first lie in this case to be exposed was the lie that PVDS was a judge..seems Joran learned to lie from Daddy….
PVDS: I dont let Joran gamble…
PVDS: Joran has a curfew…
Like many predators who lead a double life…The BTK killer was a revered church member…
Paulus is one dark SOB..masquerading as a competent judge, diligent father and loving husband
While working in the Sloot yard and digging it up
they should have checked under any trees that have been
set out. Also, I have heard there is a well in this yard
and could be another place to put Natalee Holloway’a
body.
GO JORAN GO!!!
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