Aruba’s May Want to Rethink their Promotion … Aruba, Island of Clowns


Aruba … Island of Clowns, who does their PR?

Sometimes stories just write themselves. There are also some promotions that maybe their organizers might want to rethink as to how one may be perceived on the whole. Aruba’s attempted promotion to get into The Guinness Book of World Records for Clowns might just be one of those … maybe we should rethink this moments.

One would think that maybe they would devote their time to more serious things like trying to solve the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Instead its all about “Clowning” around.


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Does Aruba really need this promotion to be perceived by many as an island of Clowns? The way that they have handled themselves in dealing with and investigating the disappearance of Natalee Holloway has all but done that. One would think that they would have no problem lining up enough people to break the “Clown” record.


More Clowns


Even More Clowns


Even More Aruba Clowns


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  • Comments

    226 Responses to “Aruba’s May Want to Rethink their Promotion … Aruba, Island of Clowns”

    1. joe bear on April 23rd, 2007 10:01 am

      fools,clowns,idiots,a great place to go,and stay

    2. Miss-Underestimated on April 23rd, 2007 10:05 am

      Yeah Clowns that’s what they are. Can anyone think (other than finding Natalee’s body) WTF Aruba is waiting for. They have enuff circumstancial evidence to start a trial but, they won’t. If they start a trial, they will surely find out where Natalee is and who, what, why and where.
      And we know that is exactly why Aruba will not have a trial.

      Perfuming the pigs, the whole filthly lot of them

      We will not forget

    3. Linda on April 23rd, 2007 10:07 am

      Hey Guys,
      I think you got this wrong..these people are the best ever..they are the “Clown Doctors” all the money raised is for the sick children in the hospitals..
      Those guys who organize these events are really nice people..

    4. vicki on April 23rd, 2007 10:18 am

      #3-… we are not making fun of the cause that these “clowns” are doing this for…you miss the point. we are laughing cause there are to many CLOWNS on this island. Dont you get it????If you jump, you can catch it flying over your head…..hahahahahahahaha

    5. Sahara on April 23rd, 2007 10:18 am

      I hate clowns.

    6. robots on April 23rd, 2007 10:23 am

      clowns are skeeeeeerrrrry

    7. dave on April 23rd, 2007 10:41 am

      Once again Linda the troll defends the scum island full of clowns. Nice try your whole island smells of these clowns. Nothing good about it.

    8. 10061906 on April 23rd, 2007 11:20 am

      They have sufficient time to “clown around” but no one, and I mean no one in authority on Aruba has ever DENIED that Natalee’s disappearance was not a cover up by the elders. From the Prime Minister, to the Justice Department and all the way down to Joe Tacopina: no one.

    9. Carpe Noctem on April 23rd, 2007 11:33 am

      Arlene Schippers never looked better.:?:

      Where’s Natalee? -j4n

    10. buckeye on April 23rd, 2007 11:45 am

      The “clown” programs, for sick children, are truly great. It’s just a little too weird that Aruba took a good program and tried to get island publicity. They haven’t had very good PR advice. They should have honored the program and kept it at the hospital.IMO

    11. Crioyo on April 23rd, 2007 12:20 pm

      sigh…you guys are talking as if the government is behind this. next time another organisation such as the animal shelter decides to organise something for dogs for example then scaredmonkeys will refer to aruba as island of dogs.
      but it’s ok, i imagine y’all are just having fun amongst yourselves.

    12. Linda on April 23rd, 2007 12:24 pm

      Dave..I’m not protecting anything..I was just tryin to say that this Clown thing was for a good cause..But you always have this big mouth..rude!!
      Buckeye..I get what you are saying..

    13. Carpe Noctem on April 23rd, 2007 12:46 pm





    14. JusticeforNatalee on April 23rd, 2007 12:51 pm

      Well, kudos to the good clowns who help the sick kids!

      And shame on all the subhuman clowns who either committed crimes against Natalee or helped to cover up the crimes and lie, lie, lie.

    15. vicki on April 23rd, 2007 1:00 pm

      #11 IT IS A DOG ISLAND!!!!!!!

    16. buckeye on April 23rd, 2007 1:02 pm

      Nice to see you posting Crioyo and Linda.
      Crioyo, are you on the island?? Is there much advertising of Joran’s book (in Holland or Aruba)?
      Any chatter regarding the Dutch investigators?? TIA

    17. Jerry from Ohio on April 23rd, 2007 1:17 pm

      Can everyone on that Island really be that SLOW ?
      Well I suppose they can and are LOL

    18. Sue on April 23rd, 2007 2:26 pm

      LMFAO that is so funny

    19. Miss-Underestimated on April 23rd, 2007 2:36 pm


      Nice pic. You always post nice pictures of Natalee, and Aruba thinks we are just gonna forget….Nah…we here for the long haul.

    20. mayan_moons on April 23rd, 2007 2:41 pm

      LOL Love the pics!

    21. mayan_moons on April 23rd, 2007 2:46 pm

      I think it would be great in Aruba did something for all the starving dogs Greta said she saw roaming all over the island.

      As for the dogs on two legs that roam and skulk on the island i suggest be put down.

    22. Warlock77 on April 23rd, 2007 2:50 pm

      That is so wrong!!! To use an organization for charity as Clown Doctors for boycott material is so sick. Either you guys need help or either you are running out of bad news from Aruba.


      SM:   Did  you read the article in Arubatoday?   Even though this event was started by the Clown Doctors it has to do with getting into the Guinness Book of Records and not to do with helping people.   The idea is to have Aruba in the Guinness Book for the most clowns.   Don’t you see the irony?   (klaasend)

    23. Warlock77 on April 23rd, 2007 2:52 pm

      I know everybody wants justice for natalee, but please……

    24. mayan_moons on April 23rd, 2007 2:56 pm

      Put em out of your misery Aruba….

    25. Patti on April 23rd, 2007 3:01 pm

      Hey Crioyo!

      It’s good to see you back. What do you think about these
      government contracts and Nelson Oduber calling for the boycott against Jossy? Someone mentioned a long time ago that he was worried about the communists. At the time, I didn’t understand. But, now, with what’s going on, I can, certainly, relate to those fears.

      Problem is, how do you move your people to act as it seems they have been lulled to sleep with the political jargon and are unconscious of what is happening. And although you and Linda, as well as the countless other Aruban posters that we see here, are not buying into it, there seems to be a lot of hate being directed toward the U.S. lately. Jossy speaks about that in his editorial.

      I hate it that the disappearance of Natalee Ann Holloway has been thrown into a political arena because it’s only going to make it more difficult to get justice for her. The whole idea that Nelson Oduber would have anything to do with the cover-up or the murder of a tourist is beyond comprehension, however, we know it happened. Will the people of Aruba ever stand up for what is morally right, putting their political allegiance aside? Afterall, this is a human issue, a family issue; not one to be decided by which political party you support. Besides, any one of us on any given day could certainly sit down together, enjoy good times and good food and break bread together.

      The U.S. and Aruba have never been enemies, at least, not in the past. Do you think the anti-Aruban and anti-American agenda that Jossy speaks about are desperate attempts made by a desperate man or tyrant, if you will, to maintain his power and control over Aruba? That’s the read that I get out of it and I’m worried about what he might unleash, next, against his own people or a country that only wants peace, liberty and justice for all.

      The people of Aruba know what this boycott is about, and I know in my heart, that they would do the same had it been their daughter who was being kept from her family by a Congressman, a Senator or the President of the United States… and I would support them in their boycott, as well. The actions of Nelson Oduber, along with the other politically connected people of Aruba that did this to Natalee in the name of tourism and in the expectation of making a profit, are wrong and there is no getting around that.

      Your thoughts?

    26. mayan_moons on April 23rd, 2007 3:02 pm

      Isn’t it just like Aruba to hide behind a bunch of sick kids trying to make them look like they care about something more than themselves…

    27. mayan_moons on April 23rd, 2007 3:07 pm

      I can’t help but look at these kids and think that if they are lucky enough to be healed and get to their teen years, which of them will be raped & sent off the island like the girl we heard of months ago.

    28. bleachedblack on April 23rd, 2007 3:12 pm

      Maybe this is a tactic for all to remain in costume while the Dutch investigators are on the island? (wink wink)

    29. Patti on April 23rd, 2007 3:20 pm

      Warlock 77:

      It’s a cartoon. Don’t take it so seriously. It is a page on which you can voice your opinion and is not intended as the topic of discussion.



      Welcome back and thank you for the information that you provided during your last visit. I hope your feeling well and my thoughts and prayers are with you.

    30. chris on April 23rd, 2007 3:35 pm

      Just would like to brighten everybody’s day. Our favorite hotshot Tacopina lost a huge murder case on national television.

    31. mayan_moons on April 23rd, 2007 3:35 pm

      lmao bb!

    32. Observer on April 23rd, 2007 3:51 pm

      I think Aruba had a good shot at the Guiness Book of World Record’s for the most lies about a missing person(Natalee Holloway)

    33. Richard on April 23rd, 2007 3:59 pm

      Aruba wants to be the island of clowns, and it is …

      Not funny clowns, sick ones …

      Remember that John Wayne Gacy used to go around masked and dressed up as a clown.

      That is the image … Gacy behind the clown mask and garb … that will forever encapsulate the soul of Aruba.

      Boycott the circus! Stand up for Natalee!

      BTW, so far the number of donors for the Miami protest is just more than double the number who generously gave money to help pay for the Boston event. We are not falling behind, even though Aruba wants us to think that we are.

      People of Aruba, let your government know that it cannot continue to cover up the disappearance of Natalee.

      Let your government be the clowns; you be the caged lions who open your caged doors. Freedom can be intoxicating (not in the way that C&Cs is, learn to appreciate the true kind).

      Take your chance when you can.

    34. 10061906 on April 23rd, 2007 4:01 pm

      I’ve got more coming Patti:
      But I need some help. Does anyone remember who provided the casino tape with Natalee and Joran: and why?
      I can’t find it in my notes.


      SM:   I’m not sure we were ever told who supplied the casino video tape.   We did read that Posner was not happy about it though if I recall correctly (klaasend)

    35. Miss-Underestimated on April 23rd, 2007 4:14 pm

      LOL Klaas

      Renfro with her split fro. Pimpin clowns…..HAHAHAHA

    36. Patti on April 23rd, 2007 4:38 pm


      The video tape was leaked to ABC News. We assume this was done by a casino employee or a security company working for Posner. ABC News were very protective of that tape and have not revealed their source. Posner was furious about the leak, so, we can assume that it wasn’t him.

      Why…. what are you thinking????

    37. Crioyo on April 23rd, 2007 4:42 pm


      hey there..i haven’t been on the island since early january and probably won’t be there again until next december so i’m not really up to date on everything.

      the last info on nh/joran i read in dutch media was a post on july 13th 2006 that joran was writing a book.

      (Joran gaat voor AKO-prijs!
      Kijk aan. Joran van der Sloot gaat zijn memoires publiceren. Een uitgeverij heeft de rechten gekocht voor een literaire money making machine over de Caribisch-Nederlandse player die nog steeds niet weet waar de blonde Amerikaanse Breezah Natalee Holloway gebleven is…
      Verschenen op: 13 juli 2006 08:58)


      hi patti,

      well i think everything on the island is politics. and political wars are waged on such a super micro level (low) that virtually everything that happens can somehow be blamed on the opposition.

      i’m really not proud of the way the nh case was put on a shelf that quickly. makes you wonder what kind of press officers and advisers oduber has working for him. if any at all.

      i think the arubans who post here are a very very small minority. how many in 95,000? half of us probably live in the netherlands or the states.

      I’m not fully up to date on the government contracts, if you’re referring to the Namdar scandal. As for the boycott against Jossy, I doubt that has any effect. The few who care will probably actually by the newspaper to read jossy’s editorial. I think when Jossy calls them communists he means it in an emotional way. After all, they mep took majority control of parliament and now do whatever they want.

      The people of Aruba are generally only concerned with day to day life. After Natalee came another scandal then another and then BBO and then another scandal. Everybody remembers her but I guess the media doesn’t think it’s newsworthy anymore since the authorities don’t seem to pay any attention to the case. There is no media coverage if there is no scandal.

      As for hate against the u.s. I think a good example is when CNN Headline News and local News were present at an interview outside the court of justice and you could clearly see how CNN translated transformed the news completely. It seemed as if they attented a different interview.

      They are also angry at the negative press in the U.S…
      But I really don’t think animosity towards the US is institutional. I think for locals, florida is still the top place to be for vacation and shopping. One thing to understand about politics in aruba is that people don’t vote on policy, they vote on your record. A screws up, choose B..B screws up, choose A.

      I don’t think the Aruban people will ever ”stand up”. Not that they don’t care, but they don’t feel involved enough.

      I think they see it as:
      ”This is a case about a Dutch guy and an American girl and it’s causing negative publicity for our island.”

      They are generally very interested and try to stay up to date on what comes out in the media but to get their hands dirty is never an option to them. Activism is dead on the island. It might have something to do with the small size of the island. You can’t stand up against anything without standing up against friends and family. It not only takes a hell of a lot of courage but also requires being okay with assuming the title of pariah, outcast, persona non grata, traitor etc etc.

      The dutch have just celebrated 125 years (i think) of good relations with the U.S. last week.
      I think dutch involvement is the only hope for this case.

    38. mayan_moons on April 23rd, 2007 4:51 pm

      I saw that Chris!

      joe’s cross exam of the defendant’s lover was the best part when joe was ALL OVER his a$$ coz he lied to detectives/police in the first couple of their interview’s.

    39. Patti on April 23rd, 2007 5:09 pm

      Thanks, Crioyo…

      I assume you’re in the Netherlands? What is the scuttle-butt there? The Dutch have sent 10 investigators to Aruba with a two-fold purpose: 1) Natalee Holloway and 2) Boycot against Jossy and perhaps to look further into the corruption having to do with these government contracts. What is the general census, of the average citizen in the Netherlands? Are they growing tired of the political scandals in Aruba? And is there anything being said about the investigation into Natalee’s disappearance? Since they sent the original 10 investigators, they have asked for enforcements… any idea why?

    40. mayan_moons on April 23rd, 2007 5:09 pm

      A Dutch Guy that grew up on your Aruba…..trying to distance themselves from Jipshit eh, NOT suprised.

    41. mayan_moons on April 23rd, 2007 5:11 pm

      Jurine is EVERYTHING Aruba stands for….

    42. JusticeforNatalee on April 23rd, 2007 5:29 pm

      #23 Well, I don’t know if EVERYONE wants justice for Natalee.

      Does Oduber want justice for Natalee?
      Does Rudy Croes want justice for Natalee?

      How about Joran and Paulus? Do they?

    43. JusticeforNatalee on April 23rd, 2007 5:33 pm

      Hey, didn’t one of the clowns lose weight in an attempt to make herself look
      “beautiful,” only to still look ugly when BIG FAT LIES
      come out of her mouth?!

    44. Patti on April 23rd, 2007 5:34 pm


      Is it beyond your comprehension that there might be honest
      Arubans that don’t like the things that Joran and Company
      did to Natalee or is it REALLY your opinion that the whole
      island, all 95,000 of them, are rapists and murderers?

      It’s that attitude that does little, if anything, to help
      the boycott and can only serve to cause more division and
      hate. If you keep it up, you will concrete the heads and
      feet of the Arubans in a stance of defiance.

      Crioyo hasn’t done anything to deserve your criticism.

    45. 10061906 on April 23rd, 2007 5:40 pm

      To Patti and SM: What am I thinking?
      The question I have is why?
      What purpose was it suppose to provide?
      Could be that Geoffrey had something against Joran and Geoff’s father provided him the tape.
      There had to be a reason for its’ release and I cannot fiqure out why.
      Someone following the case knew exactly where to find that part on the many surveillance tapes collected.

    46. Carpe Noctem on April 23rd, 2007 5:44 pm

      Give Natalee’s remains back to her Momma.

      Your Island cannot move on, until you deal front & center
      with what the raping-murdering Van der sloots
      were allowed to get away with.







    47. tex on April 23rd, 2007 5:47 pm

      an old link:

    48. mayan_moons on April 23rd, 2007 6:20 pm

      When i want your opinion Patti i’ll ask for it….ok

    49. Janet on April 23rd, 2007 6:26 pm

      41. mayan_moons

      You are forgetting …

      Dana Pretzer Show
      September 8, 2006
      PRETZER: Jossy Mansur has been the target of a lot of the negatives out there. Sadly in a case like this where the you, the family, are only looking for answers, and a way to bring your daughter home–there are an element of people who will do what they can to try and spin it in a negative way… I am curious your thoughts on Jossy Mansur?
      HOLLOWAY: Jossy has been very helpful to try to find the truth, the fact he lives in Aruba and publishes a newspaper, they’re attacking him because he’s looking for– fighting for– the truth. That’s what a good journalist does–He’s going to go after the people, regardless, and try to find the truth
      Scared Monkey – FP Comments
      April 6, 2007
      Comment #20 … I think he is a good man looking for the truth. He will not let them push him around. This is his home and is probably sick of the corruption that happens every day on such a large scale on such a small island. Comment by Steve Holloway | April 6, 2007, 1:02 pm
      Scared Monkey – FPComments
      December 5, 2005
      Comment by JUG TWITTY | December 5, 2006, 10:57 am
      ‘Rita Cosby Live & Direct’
      September 14, 2005
      TWITTY: Well, you know, I’ll be forever grateful for Jossy Mansur, who is there. And he has been so instrumental. And he’s just a hero to all of us. And, you know, he’s my only hope on the island. And we’ll be forever grateful to him.

    50. arubagirl on April 23rd, 2007 6:27 pm

      Yeah, this one was a bit beneath you, but oh well.

      Crioyo’s remarks are spot on.

      I haven’t seen a whisper about advertising for Joran’s book.

    51. mayan_moons on April 23rd, 2007 6:35 pm

      If thats rude…….2fb.

    52. Patti on April 23rd, 2007 6:38 pm


      Well, if it’s any help to you…

      The tapes were released to the public on February 22, 2006

      Geoffrey was brought in for questioning around the 25th of April, 2006.

      Isn’t this the kid that had made an unwelcome pass at Natalee in the pool? Maybe he really liked Natalee and tried to help the family by getting these tapes. And… I think his father owns the security systems company that was hired as a sub-contractor for the Holiday Inn. He was questioned as well, right?

      I understand what you’re getting at. Certainly, if ALE had found out that it was Geoffry, or his father that had supplied the video tape to ABC… they’d be all over them. And if they are as corrupt as we know they are, they could very well have harrassed them as they did everyone else that tried to help.

      Is that what you’re thinking?

    53. mayan_moons on April 23rd, 2007 6:41 pm

      The people i’m talking about know who they are…

    54. Allan K on April 23rd, 2007 6:57 pm

      OK you got me, I am still laughing. Nice art work.

    55. yoyo muffintop on April 23rd, 2007 6:59 pm

      #47 – that is an anti-semetic hate site.
      Please remove

    56. buckeye on April 23rd, 2007 7:05 pm


      This was posted on another site. Could you possibly watch or tape and post a summary?? TIA

      Joran will be interviewed on 24 April in the daily Dutch programme De wereld draait door about his new book which will be in the Dutch stores on 25 April. This PBS programme is mainly watched by high educated viewers who are interested in culture, politics and media. It has around 700.000 viewers daily.

      The interview can be watched at this website on 25 April.

      I am pretty sure he will be interviewed on 25 April in the daily late night talkshow Pauw & Witteman which is watched by decisionmakers and high educated viewers in general. It has about 800.000 viewers

      This interview can also be watched at their website the next day…. in Dutch…..

    57. mayan_moons on April 23rd, 2007 7:15 pm

      If i keep it up eh, that reminds me of Aruban Oduber talking about shutting Beth up…

      don’t make me laugh!

    58. dave on April 23rd, 2007 7:41 pm

      #47 Right on bro, thanks for posting the truth about Aruba Scum. I just love it when the Trolls can’t handle the truth.

    59. buster on April 23rd, 2007 7:42 pm

      wow what a great web site !!!
      Spread the word !!!
      as for the clowns, well we all know that apples dont fall to far from the tree.

    60. mayan_moons on April 23rd, 2007 7:46 pm

      That paster was pretty long……Janet are you asking me about Jossy? That i forgot? I said in an earlier post fp that i’m not directing anything at him, it was the first post even.

    61. Carpe Noctem on April 23rd, 2007 7:52 pm

      Joran will be interviewed on 24 April in the daily Dutch programme De wereld draait door. This PBS programme is mainly watched by high educated viewers who are interested in culture, politics and media. It has around 700.000 viewers daily.

      Hmmmm, I am kind of surprised
      he is getting out from up and
      under his momma’s boobs
      for a change. Must be spring
      cleaning time.

      Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot is such a prime candidate right now for an assassination. It really
      surprises me he’d be moving around so freely.

      He never has been well known for
      his intellect though! ROFL

      Hey Joran, next time that nice
      person grabs the door for you,

      and smiles in your face…


      How does that old song go?

      “Smiling Faces Sometimes”

      -The Temptations

      Remember a smile is just

      A frown turned upside down.

      The truth is in the eyes…

      ‘cuz the eyes don’t lie, amen.

      “and dat is de truth!” -j4n

    62. yoyo muffintop on April 23rd, 2007 7:53 pm

      #58 – you’re joking right? Do you think the Holocaust happened? If you don’t then that site’s for you.

      Give it a rest.

    63. Patti on April 23rd, 2007 7:55 pm

      You can HARDLY be compared to Beth…

      And I, certainly, am not Nelson Oduber…

      Get over it.

    64. yoyo muffintop on April 23rd, 2007 7:58 pm

      And now “spread the word”? What’s wrong with you people?
      What’s next – linking to KKK sites?
      Oh that’s right, those are the sites #58 & #59 surf. Nice.


      SM:   I don’t care for the site myself and i fixed the link so it’s no longer a hot link.   The only redeeming thing about that site is it has some good photos pertaining to the case (some BS ones too).   I agree it’s a hateful site.   (klaasend)

    65. Kat_Gram on April 23rd, 2007 8:11 pm

      Yo Yo, re : # 47, I agree. I went there ( to that site ). I do not like those kinds of racist hate sites. People who think that is a good site should be ashamed of themselves.
      Hey, we agree two days in a row ! !

    66. Rammstein on April 23rd, 2007 8:13 pm

      great, making fun of an organization that works hard for entertaining dying and seriously ill children in hospitals. Big applause for yourself.


      SM:   Nobody is making fun of the Clown Doctors.   Did you read the article?   We are making fun of their reason to get in the Guinness Book of Records for having the most clowns in a parade.   They want to put Aruba on the map as a CLOWNS PARADISE.   (klaasend)

    67. mayan_moons on April 23rd, 2007 8:19 pm

      this isn’t about race…….its about Jurine & his dad and his friends raping and killing Natalee and after seeing how bad they hurt her and hid her body. they walk free now to do it again.

    68. dave on April 23rd, 2007 8:20 pm

      well well mr. clueless crawled out from under it’s rock.

    69. mayan_moons on April 23rd, 2007 8:25 pm

      keep arguing idiot….nothing i said was directed to you to begin with, so why are you making it your beef.

      I think YOU need to get over it!~

    70. Waterboy (Jerry) on April 23rd, 2007 8:40 pm

      to Patti and 1906,

      Who showed the videotapes of the hotel entrance, exterior, and lobby to Beth? She went straight to this person and the first thing she did was view the videotapes.

      This same person tucked tapes of the Casio and copied them for later use. He/She knew Natalee was there that night. Copies were made, the originals returned (the originals were probable destroyed). That’s why Posner was so furious. He thought all evidence was destroyed. He ordered it done.

      I hope this doesn’t get anyone in trouble, but there you go.


    71. Waterboy (Jerry) on April 23rd, 2007 8:45 pm

      I’m sorry,

      The statement should start out:


      Who do we know for sure had access to the videotapes?

    72. Waterboy (Jerry) on April 23rd, 2007 8:50 pm

      No body, no crime.

      I still think that video # 8 shows Natalee’s body. I think given the right equipment and time, there is a body; and there is a crime; and there can be a conviction for murder.

      Waterboy links to the tapes if you want to view.


    73. Waterboy (Jerry) on April 23rd, 2007 9:02 pm


      Tell me what solid piece of evidence you cling to? Me? Video #8. It is the only solid piece of evidence I can point to.

      Sorry Carpe,
      I see everything you see in the white bag; put I just can’t put it all together.

      I believe that after video #8, they took Natalee’s body straight to the landfill, where Junior saw them. From there, I don’t know. Maybe to the white bag, maybe to the graveyard, maybe to the ocean, maybe into the waiting coffin of another to be shipped out of the country, maybe to be cremated, and maybe her body is still in the landfill (that’s my best bet).


    74. 10061906 on April 23rd, 2007 9:03 pm

      Yes Patti: His father installed the video equipment in the Holiday Inn and the Excelsior.
      Geoffery was the one that grabbed Natalee’s butt at C and C’s on May 27th, 2005.
      Natalee pushed him and it was stated that he slapped Natalee. He was there with another dude who’s initials are AB.
      Could be Michael’s friend Andreas; the one that wears rosarys like the ones that were on the cross that Dave found at the Fisherman’s Huts.
      I believe Geoff is one of the pimps. He hangs with Michael Dompig. “You’d be suprised what we can get the girls to do when we tell them we are police officers”. Michael tried to pick up female tourist at the HI until he saw Dave Holloway there. He and his buddy(?) left. Michael knows Joran. Michael is related to the Kalpoes. The Kalpoes know Joran. Joran knows Quido and Koen and Freddie and on and on and on.
      Geoff’s pronounced (Jeff) pictures are all over the net in Web shot albums with female tourist and in the Hotel rooms at the HI.
      Geofrrey lied when he told his attorny that he did not know either Natalee or Joran. This release of this tape may have been to draw attention away from Geoff and stay focused on Joran.
      However; Stay focused. Revenge was the motive for the pimps.
      Geoffery was permitted a hood to hide his identity as opposed to the guards and JK2′S.
      The oddity is Geoff does not look as tall in the pictures as he did in the arresting video.

    75. 10061906 on April 23rd, 2007 9:08 pm

      This may not be the appropriate topic for this post; but…
      A must reading::::::

    76. 10061906 on April 23rd, 2007 9:09 pm

      A must reading::::::

    77. 10061906 on April 23rd, 2007 9:10 pm

      Don’t know why they were cut off????

    78. Waterboy (Jerry) on April 23rd, 2007 9:11 pm

      To all,

      This could be my last post for the evening. I’ll try later, but my conclusion-Natalee’s body is in the landfill.

      The reason it wasn’t found when Junior pointed out the exact location is because after Junior left, they moved the body. Natalee’s body is still in the landfill, just not where Junior saw them put it. It’s there; it has to be, for Davie crockett sure.


    79. 10061906 on April 23rd, 2007 9:11 pm

      I’ll try one more time.

      If you read the quotes first; the following is easy reading.
      All of us posters can’t have it both ways with Natalee.
      We either have to admit that Natalee was probably drinking fairly heavy at C and C’s and could have been almost drunk. Her face appears flushed in that bar photo as compared to the earlier one with Ruth at the casino. So you can’t say she had sunstroke as some have insinuated. Could she have been so drunk that she may not have noticed that her drink was spiked and then led to Deepak’s car, or; she was sober and willingly got into the cab. IT is obvious that Natalee thought she was getting into a taxi cab with Joran.
      Her roommates stated she had been drinking all day. Broughton, Holloway, Ruth and I believe Madison, were assigned the same hotel room at the Holiday Inn.
      The daily routine for Broughton and Holloway was to get an alcohol drink and go to the ocean around 10:00 AM in the morning. At around 5:00 PM they would return to their room for naps. At 6:00PM Broughton and Holloway would get ready to go out to get dinner. After dinner Broughton and Holloway would go out to Bars. Saturday, May 28, 2005, Holloway became very intoxicated and eventually had to be escorted back to her room by (Kevin Broday?).
      During the morning hours on Sunday, May 29, 2005 Holloway started drinking mixed drinks called ” Red Fires” The drinks contain Bicardi 151 and Diet Coke. Holloway became intoxicated and her friends told her to slow down. Holloway and Broughton continued to drink throughout the day. They went to dinner between 6:00 and 7:00 PM. After dinner Holloway and Broughton went to the Hotel Casino to watch Ruth McVay gamble/
      Joran says he was doing jelly shots and Natalee’s friends were no stangers to jelly shots as shown in other Natalee and friends party photos. Your call.
      We know that Joran says she was not drunk so that he can profess consensual sex. But that does not explain when he states Natalee was coming in and out of consciousness.
      However he did state that she fell getting out of the car and hit her head.
      He also said he picked her up when they were on the beach. (?)
      We do not know if any of Joran’s friends may also have been at C and C’s that night. Remember Geoffrey and Joran both accosted Natalee several times on previously nights at C and C’s. Thus it eliminates that Sunday as the first time Natalee went to C and C’s. Who could have been there that night sizing up Natalee for the kill? Maybe Geoffrey, or Michael Dompig, or Quido, or even Andreas.
      Someone got in touch with Joran to let him know Natalee was there, drunk and alone.
      Some other pimps may have been there to run interference and add to confusion. We know the four stopped at a store or pub; maybe that was Deepak phoning to say that they got the jackpot they came for.
      What we do know is that the best friends Natalee went with to C and C’s went back to the hotel before Joran shows up; thus leaving an inebriated Natalee.
      This violates the buddy system. I have been on enough trips as chaperone that the one thing you tell your students when left on their own is;
      “remember who you went with, do not separate and everyone returns together.”
      When Natalee went back into C and C’s at closing, she may have been looking for a familiar MBHS face to go back to the hotel with and not finding one accepts one last, albeit, spiked drink and accepts a ride with Joran.
      Everything was going Joran’s way and nothing was/did go for Natalee.
      Joran says Natalee wanted to go see the sharks; change the wording around. Joran to Natalee: “instead of going to the Hotel, let me show you some sharks”. In his mind is racing “shark feast”: Pimp jargon for gangbang.
      Joran has stated he did go to his apartment with Natalee but did not go in. He also states that Natalee wanted to have sex but he did not have a condom so he would not have sex. Okay; again let’s change the wording. Natalee is drunk, somewhat drugged perhaps, will permit safe sex but Joran did not have a condom and Natalee would not have unprotected sex. I’m sure with his reputation that would not matter to Joran and he would force himself on Natalee regardless. Now you have a girl who may now be very fearful IN HER SITUATION, and starts screaming, especially if other males start to show themselves and their intentions.
      But now where would you safely take a girl with intentions of having sex or rape and not have any interference. My marker stays on Joran’s apartment.
      The VDS home is somewhat secluded. Joran has his own pad. His neighbors are away. His mother is away. His brothers are away. His father may still be at the casino or getting high at the Lion’s Den. Who knows where Paulus is at that hour. Deepak’s car was spotted there the next day. Your call.
      It was stated that Joran had asked Jaime to go with him to C and C’s but Jaime said he had to work. That is why Joran asked Deepak to go with him. Most likely Joran needed someone with a car that looked like a taxi; my money is that Deepak was first choice. When Deepak says: “You would be surprised how easy it was”; he could have been referring to how easy it was to kidnapped Natalee from her friends and get her into his look alike taxi cab..
      Once they got Natalee to C and C’s back parking lot; I’m afraid Natalee did not stand a chance. She willingly accepted a ride back to the Holiday Inn in a TAXI CAB provided

    80. Patti on April 23rd, 2007 9:38 pm


      I get it. Have you seen the full pictures of Natalee in the bag that was filtered by Sleuth? She is the one that took a picture of the bag that was found in the water basin and applied filters to it to arrive at the image that was published in the National Enquirer. They didn’t show the full picture. If you see the full picture you will find the same injuries as the body that Waterboy Jerry is talking about. I have seen both.

      The reason I say that is because of your quote about them saying what a girl will do when she thinks that they are police officers. There may have been a gun involved. Maybe Satish’s gun, the one spoken about in the back of the police car. Remember, they made a stop after leaving C&C’s and Deepak went in to pick up something? I’m only guessing, as I have no proof that it was Satish’s gun, but maybe that was the goods that Joran and his father were using against the Kalpoes to get them to lie. I always thought that there was something that the Van der Sloots were holding over their heads, and for a long time I thought it was drugs… but maybe it was because she was shot with their gun. I know that there are a lot of people that don’t agree with this, but I don’t think Deepak and Satish had anything to do with her murder.


      Please post your picture. There is also a thread that you can post pictures to, at the forum. I wish Sleuth had of posted her pictures there, as well. Have you seen it? I almost fell out of my chair. It is a frontal view, with the same wounds, but on the front left side; instead of the back-left side that is depicted in the body at the rocks. Massive injury to the chest. You can even see what looks like a bullet hole. The hole on the back-side is massive, as you know.

      I agree with you about having the evidence. I think we have it, too…

    81. david r on April 23rd, 2007 9:42 pm

      How about several U.S. colleges pitching in to build an extension campus in Aruba for maladjusted Asian males who just flunked their master thesis ?

    82. 10061906 on April 23rd, 2007 9:56 pm

      Number 79 was supposed to read… in a TAXI CAB provided by Joran.
      I thought someting was wrong but it was the PICNIC syndrome.
      “Problem In Chair Not In Computer”.
      No Patti I have only seen those by Carpe.. Were they from the same source?
      I at one time felt that van der Straaten and Van der Sloot (Sr) were being blackmailed and that pictures and or videos were taken of them with Natalee after she had been shot with possibly JVDS’s service revolver. These photos were to be used as blackmail. I gave up interest when I coulnd’ t figure who would be doing the blackmailing except for maybe the drug lords.

    83. Mortella on April 23rd, 2007 10:02 pm

      Well, perhaps Aruba should go for entry into the Guiness Book of World Records in other areas. How about most lies about a victim? Most Obvious Cover Up by a Governement and LE? There is nothing funny about sick children but then some have certainly had their fun out of this tragedy and disappearance. Too bad the kind deeds don’t extend to Natalee and her family.

      Oh, that’s right, I forgot! She was just a tourist and expendable–doesn’t really count and certainly not worth messing up Joran’s education. How’s that working our for you, Aruba? Was it worth it?

    84. IndyDan on April 23rd, 2007 10:16 pm

      Crioyo said:
      I think they see it as:
      ”This is a case about a Dutch guy and an American girl and it’s causing negative publicity for our island.”
      They are generally very interested and try to stay up to date on what comes out in the media but to get their hands dirty is never an option to them. Activism is dead on the island.

      I think you’ve nailed it. But that’s why I have no sympathy for the discmfort the boycott is causing them. It’s Aruba and they are the Arubans, they can’t bury their heads in the sand this will go away.

    85. Patti on April 23rd, 2007 10:18 pm

      Check that… the bullet hole that I see to the chest – front is small, but there is alot of blood all over the chest area. The back view of the body at the rocks, shows the same wound, but with what would be expected from an exit wound… a much larger hole. I hate talking about this stuff because it’s Nataleee; but, at the same time I’m somewhat excited. If there were some way to link those pictures to show that it is the same person, you’ve got your proof of the cover-up… what is the body of a girl in an area being investigated as the crime scene, where Joran led them… doing, later, in a water basin?

      Bingo, Bango, Bongo…

      Is that what you’re thinking as well, Waterboy?

    86. Houston on April 23rd, 2007 10:21 pm

      Oh my, These clowns sort of adds to Aruba “The Nighmare island” theme.

    87. Patti on April 23rd, 2007 10:28 pm


      One more thing to think about…

      Tim found what looked like a burial site, shortly after the body in the bag was photographed. He ran tests and looked for trace evidence and came to the conclusion that whoever had been buried there, would’ve had to have been in a plastic bag. I don’t remember whether it was at the landfill… do you remember?

    88. yoyo muffintop on April 23rd, 2007 10:32 pm

      Patti – Guess who else has seen it. Art Wood and an expert. Their conclusion, along with the rest of the sane world – you cannot see thru the bag and what you are seeing is lights & shadows. Use your common sense, or better yet link to anything remotely similar where a screen capture from a video taken over 5ft away at 72dpi can be “seen thru”. Good Luck. I’ll be waiting…

      And I thought Paulus was the perp – what’s with all this stuff about J2K. Let the Holloway/Twitty’s know since they say J2K are the perps, not Paulus.

    89. Allan K on April 23rd, 2007 10:34 pm

      This just does not fit in most Aruba propaganda. We care about kids. They don’t even punish the boys that rape girls in schools. The one minster there with the prostitutes. One taking bribes, caught red-handed. Not Mr.Pinks porno films, but his custom porno films. Drugs everywhere with no intervention. Spiking drinks at Carlos & Charlie’s with no police action.

      Aruba move on to the Natalee Holloway case you have been a disgrace to yourselves.

    90. Carpe Noctem on April 23rd, 2007 10:36 pm

      So, basically Natalee Ann and every other girl
      that had been staying at that HOLIDAY INN
      was stalked by Joran Van der sloot
      and the the others. (there were other hotels too)

      Via VCB video cams from Geoffery Van Crom Voirt
      that supplied the video feed.

      Via Guido Wever the ambiguously gay Casino Dealer!

      Via the Bartender at Carlos & Charlie’s that knows Joran

      Steve Croes – Tatoo Party Boat DJ/Thingie/Drunkard/Dumbass.

      This was “the game.”

      Find the HOTTIE, stalk the HOTTIE, poke the HOTTIE!

      Tourists girls come in, tourist girls get tracked,
      they isolate one, and then they make their move…
      and catch it all on video to upload it to the Internet.

      Joran knew days & sometimes WEEKS
      IN ADVANCE just who he was
      looking to gang-rape!

      He couldn’t have picked his “special catch” any better if he had his mommy fly her big, fat, dilapidated ass back from Holland & jump up and angrily kick this special someone in the tushy with her “sporting clogs!”

      She’s like a demented, crack smoking, Dutch version of the Pillsbury Doughboy!!! Only doughier.

      >back to Joran

      His buddies were basically calling it in to him, play by play.


      So Joran gets Natalee alone at his apartment.

      DAD is out playing with himself at his favorite club.
      He is note even home, and the kids are all in Holland
      with the “Dough-Nut”

      This dial-a-stalking with Natalee was supposed to
      be an easy lay…

      Only this time he couldn’t handle it.

      He wanted her to be a slut, but she wasn’t. She started fighting, and she punched him in his big egg shaped head! Good for you, Natalee! Joran couldn’t handle that, ‘cuz he is not a man, he is a pussy just like his dad.

      Unfortunately, we know where it went from there because she is no longer with us. However, I have major R-E-S-P-E-C-T for her, not wanting to lay down for that Van der sloot P.O.S.

      Hey, Joran – I got news for ya, buddy. If you ever want to
      come to America… I think your life will be in for a big change. There are people waiting here for ya, son! We know what you have done to our Natalee Ann Holloway, and we are not too effin happy about it. You need some equalization man, and that’s putting it nicely. -j4n

    91. yoyo muffintop on April 23rd, 2007 10:44 pm

      Patti – for you, from Art Wood:

      From: REMOVED
      To: REMOVED
      Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 4:35 PM
      Subject: Photo’s in Enquirer


      Please feel free to share this mail with anyone. I received an email from Blonde today with her concerns over the National Enquirer Article. She advised me that some of the members of your forum have been bashing her regarding the article and that the criticism is not justified. Please advise the members of your blog to target me with the criticism.

      I received a telephone call from David Wright of the Enquirer. David who has been an ally and friend thru-out this entire ordeal involving Natalee said that a rival publication was about to break a story on the Chicago 24 Video and asked me if I knew anything about it. I told him that I do not have high speed Internet and was unable to view the entire video but that I had received photo’s that were enhanced thru photo shop from Blonde. I advised David that I had arranged for professional examination of these pictures and the Video and that the early results of this examination were not promising. A Professor at the University of Florida who examined the data advised me that he believes the images which some people believe to be of Natalee are “Artifact” shadows of the plastic. I made it very to clear to everyone that Dave Holloway and I are very skeptical of the video and photo’s because of the fact that Dave searched the area repeatedly during the first few days of June and also because of the fact that whoever posted the video has never come forward.

      As you may or may not know this video was posted by the same person who posted the painting of the rocks video.   This is important in that I felt that a news story regarding these photo’s may well help us identify this individual. In other words someone might well come forward with information.

      Not everyone is going to agree with my decision to allow David Wright to run with the story, but, I trust him and he has always written his Natalee Holloway stories with great truth and accuracy. I challenge anyone to find a lie on any of David Wright’s stories regarding this case. Please remember that we need friends like David Wright to keep the pressure on in Aruba. And for all of your participant’s information I want to make this very clear, NO One, and that includes me, has profited from these stories.   Thanks, Art

    92. Miss-Underestimated on April 23rd, 2007 11:00 pm


      I think about that second car that was following or along deepaks car that nite, there in lies the charge Beth made initially. When the charges came down, heavy battery leads me to think that someone did talk, but not being able to provide any viable evidence other than hersay.

      I think that Aruba did not press the trial, remember, the talk from Scarem Jaansen, that there could be a trial without a body? Now why did’t Aruba do that? Because they know damm well that once this trial started, the shat would hit the fan….too many sons in the crime and too many fathers covering it up.

      Just think for a moment, if this were an isolated case with just the three dupas involved it would have been done and over, Aruba would have done that to save it ass. But if the waters are muddied with daddy’s maybe having ways with a young woman, and possibly a video or still camera (remember poor Anita’s camera taken during a search of her house, that never happened) Why would Anita insist her camera was missing or maybe her camera was missing and someone told her it was taken during a search?

      With all these sons and daddys in the mix then Aruba sees that to save asses of the officials and the toursim $$$$, they cover up.

      It is so transparent. Any other country would have proceeded based on the lying statements made.

      The filthy lying stinking pigs making Dave dig thru the dumps when they knew damm well what happened. Then the big sissys all flee Aruba, leaving the two brothers….

      Justice is patient and justice may not be served on earth in our time, but I bet there is a special place set aside for them all in hell

    93. JusticeforNatalee on April 23rd, 2007 11:33 pm

      You are right, Mortella.

      Aruba’s claim to fame in the Guinness Book of World Records
      SHOULD BE the most obvious coverup EVER.

      Or, how about this?
      The “prize” for the dumbest government officials who, even after TWO YEARS, fail to see that the best way to save tourism is to:


    94. Observer on April 24th, 2007 12:21 am

      With all these sons and daddys in the mix then Aruba sees that to save asses of the officials and the toursim $$$$, they cover up.

      It is so transparent. Any other country would have proceeded based on the lying statements made.

      The filthy lying stinking pigs making Dave dig thru the dumps when they knew damm well what happened. Then the big sissys all flee Aruba, leaving the two brothers….

      Justice is patient and justice may not be served on earth in our time, but I bet there is a special place set aside for them all in hell

      Comment by Miss-Underestimated | April 23, 2007, 11:00 pm

      Disgusting isnt it?? They knew exactly what happened on june 9-10th 2005. All the hell they have caused this family!!

    95. mayan_moons on April 24th, 2007 12:39 am

      Aruba likes torturing Natalee’s family coz THEY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, if she’s alive or dead. Its rubbing salt into brokenhearts for far to long now…

    96. Carpe Noctem on April 24th, 2007 12:44 am



      Justice for Natalee!

    97. yoyo muffintop on April 24th, 2007 12:47 am

      And Patti – take it one step further. If you believe that was Natalee along with other body parts in the bag as well as body parts on the waters edge and a gang rape going on(all according to carpe & mayan) and you also believe in the rock “killing field” with shark heads/head in a rock/decapitated woman lying on top of a rock all the while dogs are running around paying no attention(besides the fact that it’s clearly just rocks by simply watching the video, not pixilated screen grabs), then doesn’t it make you wonder if the person who shot the video might be involved?? How would they know all this? Makes ya wonder, no?

    98. Janet on April 24th, 2007 1:04 am

      Patti … I sincerely have tried and tried and tried to comprehend what so many claim to see so clearly. However … the image of a body in the plastic bag remains elusive. However, I concede I could be very wrong.
      Please let me share my take on the entire scenario … I believe that logic dictates if the “powers that be” in Aruba were attempting to protect their own by covering up what happened to Natalee Holloway …. why would all this activity at the rocks be happening in daylight hours … for the world to observe … for the world to videotape?
      One day prior to the activity at the rocks … on June 10, 2005 … there was a reported admission by one of the main suspects. Could it be that all this activity at the rocks was related to that admission? Could it be that Aruba was creating smokescreens … going through the motions of an investigation for the sake of public relations while knowing darn well that Natalee Holloway was no longer there? Could it be that Natalee had been moved by “somebody close to the young suspects” on the morning that Natalee went missing?
      ‘Rita Cosby Live & Direct’
      November 14, 2005
      WARD: We believe the boys are directly involved. And again, our theory is that something happened to Natalee, either where she stopped breathing, had a heart attack or whatever. And in the course of that happening, we think Paul Van der Sloot played a part in the after effect of that in the removal and concealing of Natalee Holloway.
      Gerold Dompig
      48 Hours Mystery
      March 22, 2006
      … Dompig speculates the body was hastily buried once, and that extra accomplices may have been needed to move it to a more hidden location.
      … The Aruban authorities’ new theory is that someone, someone possibly very close to the young suspects, took the time to carefully hide the body, not once but maybe twice, literally re-burying her.
      … Dompig says he believes Paulus Van der Sloot does know more than he has been telling about the circumstances surrounding Holloway’s disappearance

    99. yoyo muffintop on April 24th, 2007 1:14 am

      I guess it comes down to this regarding the bag:
      Masters vs. Merit Badge (who probably had to google “artifact shadow” to find out what that was).
      You be the judge

      Janet – remember there were 100′s of reporters on that little island frothing for a scope. No distraction would have been possible.
      And of course you call Dompig an idiot, but then quote him to give some legitimacy to your theory. Which is it?

    100. Janet on April 24th, 2007 1:15 am

      73. Waterboy (Jerry)

      The activity at the rocks took place on June 11, 2005 … Junior reported that he observed a body being placed in the landfill on June 1, 2005.

      Tim Miller
      The Decatur Daily
      July 31, 2005
      Miller said the witness claimed to have seen the men dumping the body on the afternoon of June 1. The witness, an Aruban man who claimed to be dropping off trash at the time of the incident, has been questioned by the FBI and Aruban police, Miller said. “He said he saw a face, blond hair and a woman’s chest, and that the body was dumped and covered,” Miller said. “his story has been consistent.”

    101. Carpe Noctem on April 24th, 2007 1:34 am

      Yeah, Gerold Dompig is an IDIOT…

      he’s kinda like you Yo Yo…

      even a friggin’ clock is right two times a day!

      You are so lame, people don’t even
      bother to debate you anymore. Most
      realize what you are by now, a two
      bit poser on this board…

      Your main goals: to try to confuse
      people, and to start arguments.

      >OVER IT.

    102. Janet on April 24th, 2007 1:52 am

      99. yoyo muffintop
      Many posters on Natalee Forums have contributed hours and hours researching the activity at the rocks and … attempting to determine what is in the bag. I do not believe that their efforts/point of view or my efforts/point of view should be disrespectfully underminded. All possibility need to be explored as we strive to support Natalee’s family in their quest for answers.

    103. Waterboy (Jerry) on April 24th, 2007 1:54 am


      You’re right something is wrong with the time. I think Junior’s time is right, and the rock timing is purposely altered. Nothing else makes sense. If you look at the flexibility of the arm lifted in video #8, it is not the right color or flexibility for a 10 day plus body. Plus, I’m sure Joran and Paulus are there. It makes more sense that this happen before Junior saw them, and before Joran went to jail. It makes the water basin timing off too. Everything happen sooner, much sooner.

      Junior has pretty much been discredited as a crack-head. Why? I don’t know.

      To everyone,

      I don’t have anything additional. I am totally going by video #8.


    104. Waterboy (Jerry) on April 24th, 2007 1:58 am


      I don’t have a picture. I’m going only by video #8. Link to it off Waterboy. I think it is at or about the 2min. 45sec. mark.


    105. Waterboy (Jerry) on April 24th, 2007 2:02 am

      If someone filmed every thing to clear the security guards, why did they wait until June 10, 11? The timing is off. It has to be.


    106. Mortella on April 24th, 2007 2:18 am

      That’s why they said they took the videos and dedicated them to racism never being a factor in such a crime again, etc. That was posted on the first one filmed I believe.

      Personally, I don’t see much there. Perhaps the destruction of a fake crime scene that was planned to be used to frame the security guards.

    107. Richard on April 24th, 2007 6:50 am

      Whatever our theories, let’s PLEASE retain a basic civility towards each other. If we descend into hurling names at each other, nothing is gained and a lot is lost. This is all about Natalee and her family.

      Interesting that Joran of the ditch should be making comments today with the Dutch team in Aruba. He has (mercifully) been silent for quite some time. One wonders if his father sent a distress signal: create some more smoke and fog, because they might be getting close to something.

      One can only wonder.

    108. MikeToo on April 24th, 2007 8:36 am

      Joran does what Joran wants. He also has this idea that he is a little smarter than the rest of the world. I’m not surprised at all that he is going on tour trying to sell his version of events.

    109. Miss-Underestimated on April 24th, 2007 9:20 am

      One wonders if his father sent a distress signal: create some more smoke and fog, because they might be getting close to something.

      One can only wonder.

      Comment by Richard | April 24, 2007, 6:50 am

      Yeah Richard, remember, Holland sent Paulus to Aruba to get him out of Holland, why? Do you think that there is any loyalty to Paulus from Holland?

      Aruba tried to be a master at distraction. As far as Joran making statements,
      let me say this, if you’ve ever known a con man, they are masters at distraction…..

    110. JusticeforNatalee on April 24th, 2007 10:10 am








    111. 10061906 on April 24th, 2007 10:18 am

      What does PVDS have on someone, what makes him so powerful that the Island would forfiet its future on this liar.

      MONDAY, DECEMBER 11, 2006
      Diplomatic Immunity for the Van der sloots
      Department of Justice official and Dutch Judges drastically limited the search of the Van Der Sloot property as a favor to Joran van der Sloot’s father.

      Despite what Aruban government officials led the U.S. media to believe, there was never a full search made of the Van Der Sloot property in order to find evidence in the case of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway.

      Dompig: That is correct. The fact is that we as a law enforcement agency always try to get the maximum. Meaning that we want to search as much places as possible. We were not granted, by the judge, a search warrant for the complete house, we only received the warrant for the apartment.

      Reporter: But what about after Paul Van der Sloot was arrested, couldn’t you get a warrant to search the house then?

      Dompig: It was also denied, we were a bit disappointed with that. The judge was coming from another island I must point out. He said we didn’t make a good enough case to get a warrant.

      10-9-05 Big Story Dompig no search warrant

      Although a warrant for a search was originally requested and granted to the prosecutor, officers were blocked from searching the main residence and grounds by Justice Department official Ben King (Voking) and Dutch Judge Bob Witt, who were waiting at the Van Der Sloot’s premises when the search team arrived.


      VAN SUSTEREN: What about the search of the van der Sloot property? Was that ever done, and was, you know–including, sort of, the cabana area where Joran lives?

      DE VRIES: Well, the search in the home address of the family van der Sloot was very strange because the search warrant was made by head prosecutor Karin Janssen, and contained an allowance to search the whole address, “Montanja nineteen.”
      So, the gardens, the buildings–everything.

      But, when the police was on the spot, another high-ranking employee of the Justice office–it was Mr. Bob Witt–reduced the search warrant to only the room of Joran–and that was very strange. 11/28/06
      Robert Jensen show

      PRdVries: Yes the police missed several changes to do things right: when they wanted to search the house the door was opened by Mr. Ben King, an assistant of the Procurements Gen. office.: the highest justice-office on the island and a friend of the family who wanted to support the VdSloots in these difficult times… So clearly the search of the house hadn’t been a surprise to the VdSloots. And the police had a warrant for the complete estate but a judge – Bob Wit – who was at the house as well said only Jorans room could be searched. These are things a Dutch crime-reporter is of course totally astonished about.

      Justice Department official Ben King, who later admitted to the media that he was a close friend of Paulus Van der Sloot, claimed he was on vacation and therefore not acting on behalf of the Justice department. It was King who personally informed the search team they could only search the small apartment of Joran Van Der Sloot, located in the back yard of the property just behind the main residence, when they arrived.

      Also present at the Van Der Sloot residence was Dutch Judge Bob Witt from Curacao, who was one judge presiding over the case. It should be noted that Paulus Van der Sloot was a Dutch judge-in-training at the time of Natalee Holloway’s disappearance.

      Although Joran Van Der Sloot was arrested on June 9, 2005 the Aruba Prosecutor Karin Janssen did not execute a search of the Van Der Sloot residence until nearly a week later on June 15th with members of her office, the Aruba Police department, and Dutch forensics specialists from Holland in tow.

      The search itself of the Van Der Sloot apartment looks now to be nothing more than a “mock raid” for media consumption purposes. The search lasted only four hours and was conducted in the middle of the day, quite a contrast to the early morning raid the same Prosecutor ordered on the residences of two black security guards on June 5th.

      The two security guards were arrested at 6:30 am and “perp walked” for the mainstream media who also got to witness their residences being ransacked. It was later proven both guards had alibis for the night Ms. Holloway and no evidence was found at either of their homes, which ultimately led to their release.

      The fact that the Van Der Sloot residence and grounds were not searched was kept hidden from the media until mid-October when acting Police Chief Gerold Dompig revealed his department was denied a full search of the Van der Sloot property on not one, but two occasions. In addition to being denied a full search on June 15th, a second request to search the main residence was flatly denied by a Dutch judge when Paulus Van Der Sloot was arrested on June 23rd.

    112. Patti on April 24th, 2007 10:32 am

      Yo Yo:

      I respect your opinion. But, I don’t see anything ground
      breaking in the e-mail that you sent. There was a lot of
      skepticism of both the video of the rocks and the video of the water basin, by the family. Who wouldn’t be skeptical. They, certainly, don’t want to rely upon a video to confirm the death of a family member… neither would I.

      As far as the other comments that were made regarding the “artifact shadows”… that was only an opinion. If you read the rest of the letter, it goes on to say that the picture was published in spite of this man’s opinion and the skepticism of the family by a man who he feels is a reliable person… one that wouldn’t publish lies. So I think at the very least, the validity of the videos is still open to debate. As far as the picture goes, it wasn’t produced by Carpe, someone else applied different filters to a frame that they pulled straight from the video to arrive at the image. But, that’s not important.

      What is important, in my opinion, is that the video shows what looks like the covering up of a crime scene. It’s my opinion that it is the scene of the crime. I have no explanation for why Dave’s search never found anything, other than, maybe there wasn’t anything to be found. We don’t know how long Natalee was kept alive, at least, to my knowledge. And the frame that I had been interested in was pulled directly from the video itself to be examined.

      Clearly, there are many things that we don’t know. And there are just as many things that are incomprehendable about what happened that day at the rocks. None of it makes sense to any one that is of sound mind. The things that went on there were unbelievable… but I believe that it happened, just as the videos depict.

      As far as the person that took the video being a part of the cover-up… I can’t tell you for sure. There’s no telling how they were even allowed to take the video, so I can’t state an opinion one way or the other on it. But, my instinct tells me that the person was not a part of it, atleast not whole-heartedly, if at all; because he/she posted it to the internet. As far as why they wouldn’t come forward… I think that’s obvious. Would you want to risk your life ratting out some police officers and investigators that you just witnessed disposing of a body? If anything, I think you’d feel extremely vulnerable and scared. Maybe they’re still scared. If what we are seeing in those videos is real, and, I believe it is real; what he/she did was a very brave act. And although they feel they can’t come forward; maybe it was a kind gesture, on their part, to try to let the family know what, really, happened that day.



      Good Morning…

      You are, truly, an inspiration!


      No Justice for Natalee,
      No Tourists for Aruba!!

    113. Janet on April 24th, 2007 12:09 pm

      112. Patti
      Thank you.
      Your response to Yo Yo … you certainly took the high road. You are one class act.

    114. Carpe Noctem on April 24th, 2007 12:17 pm

      Natalee Ann

      510-24 screen grabs


      I believe that Joran Van der sloot

      “The Mongaloid Rapist” shot

      Natalee in a last ditch effort to keep her quiet.

      He was trying to rape her, & she was fighting him

      for all she was worth, & putting up a pretty damn good

      fight. I think she nailed him a couple of good ones that

      frustrated him so badly he fetched a gun and shot

      her in the center of the forehead, and he did it a PBR.

      Joran is a derelict, porn addicted, serial liar & under

      achiever. He’s almost a

      spitting image of his father. Only his dad is more of an

      impotent lard bucket… but give Joran more time,

      he’ll get there!

      What is most telling to me is how how little press Joran’s

      Book is getting! Hardly anyone will book this serial lying,

      gang raping, pschyopathic little worm.

      It is just one more notch in

      Joran’s Casket. Anybody with a brain does not really need

      to wait until the Dutch finally rule on this to find out


      The real killer of Natalee Ann has been telling us all along

      who did it. It is in his words, it is in his actions, it is

      in his lack of actions, it is in his eyes. It is in his

      father’s sweat.


      Joran killed her while attempting to rape her, he put in a

      4 AM panic call to dear old dad who

      helped him get rid of the

      body. Proof of the fact Joran did not get to have sex

      with Natalee? After he was done getting rid of the body

      that morning with dear old dad, he downloaded some porno

      to finish himself off!

      Check his computer logs to confirm this.

      What two complete pathetic loads Joran and Paulus Van der

      sloot are. I hope each and everday someone swoops in and

      levels them both.

      They are nothing.

      Natalee had her whole life just starting to unfold

      in front of her. One split second snap judgement from

      a pathetically slobbering & horny Joran Van der sloot

      changed all of that in the blink of a gnat’s eye.

      “…and that is the truth.”

      She is loved
      and & remembered

    115. Richard on April 24th, 2007 12:27 pm

      Miss U (#109)… I don’t think there’s any loyalty to Paulus vdS or his kith and kin from anyone, in Aruba or Holland, or anywhere else except as fear and profit dictate.

      Fear: what he may know and what he may reveal.

      Profit: to be made from the drug trade, in which I suspect he is involved.

      But those two factors can be potent forces in persuading people to keep quiet.

      Patti, what Janet (#113) said I repeat in bold type. We’re all in this for Natalee, people (except the trolls) … any arguing among ourselves only detracts from what matters.

      None of us is in a position to prove … or disprove … a theory. So let’s be respectful.

    116. yoyo muffintop on April 24th, 2007 12:40 pm

      Patti – I understand that’s your opinion. But if the first expert you took it to said it’s not what you think it is, it’s just common artifact shadows, you’d probably drop it like the Holloway/Twitty/Woods has. It’s a nicely worded way of saying it’s not true.

      Now put on your policewoman hat – if you received a video of what you think this video is, would your first instinct be that the videographer is some sort of hero showing a coverup, or would your instincts tell you this person had something to do with it. 99% of LE would think the latter – imo.

    117. yoyo muffintop on April 24th, 2007 12:47 pm

      #113 – I agree as well.

    118. Robert on April 24th, 2007 1:15 pm

      Just on the news in Holland: Joran’s book is out tomorrow. Says he’s innocent (…). In a couple of hours a long interview with Joran on TV!


      SM:   And Joran continues to contradict himself – now he had 2 girlfriends when he was with Natalee that night.   He just can’t remember all his lies (klaasend)

    119. Carpe Noctem on April 24th, 2007 1:18 pm

      Joran Van der sloot

      “The Raping Murderer”

      of Natalee Holloway






    120. Miss-Underestimated on April 24th, 2007 1:39 pm

      Just went and visisted Bucuti web


    121. Robert on April 24th, 2007 1:40 pm

      Joran now live on TV in another program; I have to puke seeing all the lies again!

    122. Carpe Noctem on April 24th, 2007 1:49 pm

      He has that effect on people, Robert. =)

    123. Patti on April 24th, 2007 1:58 pm


      Are you in The Netherlands?

      If so, can you record the show you’re watching or
      atleast come back and tell us what is being said?


    124. Miss-Underestimated on April 24th, 2007 1:58 pm


      Reminds me that may be a advertising grab, on the flight to Aruba, they could have barf bags with pictures of the scuzzes on it. Hurl……

    125. Miss-Underestimated on April 24th, 2007 1:59 pm

      Wait 2 girls- wasn’t Melody one?

    126. Carpe Noctem on April 24th, 2007 2:06 pm

      Now that the Aruban Polis records

      will finally be able to be tapped

      and made public… Really when you

      think about it, Joran’s fun is just

      beginning NOW! People are just getting

      started to dig in and feast on all of Joran’s

      documented lies. He will be haunted

      and pursued by many for the rest of his

      life. They are lined up for miles, people who

      want to dig in and feed on him for his murder

      of an innocent American Daughter.

      That will be Natalee’s sweet justice!

      That the ‘The Dutch Mongaloid Psychopathic Rapist From

      Oranjested’ Joran Van der sloot gets pursued relentlessly

      until his dying days. -j4n

    127. Robert on April 24th, 2007 2:17 pm

      Hi Patti,
      Yes I’m in the Netherlands and I tried to write the interview down but it was to fast and I got realy sick seeing him lie all the time. Every word he said, every movement he made, everytime he thought what he was going to say all shouted: I LIE, I LIE, I LIE, I LIE!!!!
      I’ll try to find a way to record the interview tonight and translate it for all of you.
      From the interview that aired just a minute ago I only got the first couple of questions:

      Intvw.: Why did you write the book? Joran: To cope with the whole ordeal. It was therapeutic to write it all down.
      Intvw.: Did someone advise you to see a shrink to handle all this? Joran: Yes, some people did that but that’s not the way I try to cope with it.
      Intvw.: Are you still a suspect? Joran: Yes, in fact I’m the main-suspect…
      Intvw.: After reading the book can we be confinced of your innocence? Joran: I did’nt write it for that reason…

      That’s all I got.
      The interview was at this TVShow ( ) but I can’t find more information at the site.

    128. Miss-Underestimated on April 24th, 2007 2:28 pm

      Robert I think he is saying he wrote it for the money.
      Someone has to pay JoeT.

    129. JusticeforNatalee on April 24th, 2007 2:35 pm

      Robert and other Natalee supporters in Holland:

      Consider writing or calling the station(s) and refuting Joran’s lies.

    130. minnesota dad on April 24th, 2007 2:39 pm

      The timing of Joran releasing this book is a little goofy. We have 36 Days until the WHITEWASH COVER-UP is complete.

      Because of the lawsuit in NY, Paulus and Joran were allowed to see all files with regard to this case. They then create a new story that best fits the holes that show up in that evidence, knowing that in 36 days, that evidence will be available to the public.

      Joran needs to cover for all lies, and all other inconsistencies that will be questioned as part of the cover-up by us bloggers, the Holloway family, and others. They can just point to Joran’s book and say, “Hey, that’s not news…Joran put that in his book and provided an explanation for it!”

      By putting it into a book form, they can rewrite the story to fit the evidence they know is available. Pretty conniving if you ask me…

      This book is nothing more than paving the way for the 10 Dutch Investigators to declare this case cold in 36 days and have their conclusions match up with Joran’s book. MARK MY WORD ON IT! Shame on you Holland.

      By the way….can anyone from Aruba let us know if the 10 Dutch or the new Attorney General have retracted Karin Janssen’s letter declaring Paulus ‘no longer a suspect’?



    131. Robert on April 24th, 2007 2:51 pm

      I found a link in the show’s site that had the interview with Urine. This page of the site has links to recordings of the show of the previous day. So I think you can see the interview with J. that aired an hour ago tomorrow, there.
      If I find the time maybe I’ll translate it tomorrow.

    132. Patti on April 24th, 2007 2:54 pm

      Thanks, Robert!

      Keep us posted if you hear anything else…

      Any news about the investigators sent to Aruba
      and what they’re up to?

    133. dennisintn on April 24th, 2007 3:07 pm

      #l24, miss u, i do believe you have a million seller there. sporter barf bags. what a concept. just looking at his face on the bag would encourage you to finish the job.

    134. Robert on April 24th, 2007 3:22 pm

      # minnesota dad | April 24, 2007, 2:39 pm

      I don’t believe the cover-up/big mistakes that has/have been going on at Aruba will continue here in the NL’s. But I have some other bad news: a couple of days ago there was a verdict in a courtcase. The accused had burried his wife who had been missing for some years under the concrete of his garage or something like that – that was proven. But the judge in the end ruled that it hadn’t been proven that the man had in fact murdered his wife. There was no evidence for that! So he was released. He only was punished for dealing in the wrong way with a corps… That was the only thing that could be proven.
      I hope that that will not be the case in the Natalee-murder-case. But I’m afraid for that!

    135. Robert on April 24th, 2007 3:30 pm

      By the way: the case I just mentioned was another case Peter R. de Vries solved. The suspect had always said that his wife had returned to the Phillipines where she originaly came from and the police had’nt thouroughly investigated that. But PRdVries went there and mol searched the whole archipel and could’nt find her there. Then he got a tip that digging had been going on around the house of the suspect and so the case got solved.
      But again: unfortunately no conviction.

    136. Meee on April 24th, 2007 3:43 pm

      I’m still waiting for the police to arrest the punks and Steve Croes for lying as witnesses to hinder the investigation.

    137. Achilles on April 24th, 2007 3:58 pm

      A book to make himself look not guilty, and the beach drop off story.Just more bullshit from a “sporter” AKA rapeist.

    138. Patti on April 24th, 2007 4:35 pm


      I’d like to see EVERYBODY that had anything to do with the cover-up charged with dealling in the wrong way with a corpse. Everyone that had a hand in it, even if it was that of decision making. What was done was sooooo wrong. Especially, when you consider that these were Officers of the Law and Ministers of Parliament.

      Have you heard anything about Paulus’ family? I heard that one of his brothers is a professor and the other a justice official… is that true?

    139. mayan_moons on April 24th, 2007 4:42 pm

      I agree with ya MD! Soon The Dutch Investigator’s will shrug their shoulders and leave. I felt it wasn’t for real when it came out that investigating Natalee’s disappearence was tacked on with the bribery investigation.

    140. mayan_moons on April 24th, 2007 4:44 pm

      Kinda like the F16 sent over to look for Natalee but nooo sorry that was really just a training exercise.

    141. Meee on April 24th, 2007 4:50 pm feel free to e-mail him asking him to keep the ball rolling in Holland. Also feel free to e-mail Greta. Not that she will do anything. The The best bet might be O’Reilly. He has sit downs with Geraldo and goes over things. And he is willing to say what he thinks about the case on air. Unlike Gutless Greta.

    142. Patti on April 24th, 2007 4:51 pm

      What if it was because of the framing of the guards that the person with the video tape was following the police and investigators in the first place… to keep an eye on them. The security guards were in jail at the time. They had their own lawyers and were probably fully aware that they were being framed for a crime they never committed.

      Certainly, if someone was thinking that the police were trying to frame the guards, the fact that Joran and Paulus were there, at the rocks, would have clenched it for them… Joran and Paulus didn’t act like they had anything to fear of the police. It wouldn’t be that hard to figure out why the blood was being painted over and everything was being placed into a bag with no forensics or marking being done. It wasn’t being treated like a crime scene and that would make a person suspicious enough to follow them… even after they had removed the body and placed it in a bag. They would’ve HAD to have followed the van to the water basin in order to know that it was dumped there and to complete the filming they did that day.

      I think you may be right about alot of things. But I don’t think the scene was fake. Joran led the police there… what would have been the purpose for him to take them to a fake crime scene? There had to be some sort of deal that was made between the time that Joran confessed until the time they dumped the bag in the basin. Maybe, after making a deal, all they needed was for Joran to show them where the body was, specifically, so they could get rid of it. With his father there, Joran acted like he was on a field trip! And… who knows? Maybe there WAS a plan to frame the security guards or, maybe, even someone else (like the person that Joran said had buried Natalee at the Fisherman’s Huts as confirmed in the back of the police car).

      I have tried over and over to come up with a reason why the police would drop that bag into the water basin. There is no logical explanation, except that it had to do with a framing. Obviously, if they were simply going to dispose of the body, they had several means through which to do that. There had to be a reason why that bag was placed there. If not for the video, who knows what would have happened…

      I wonder if the person who took the video, also, sent ALE a copy of it and that was why the message about framing the guards was stamped on it. That would explain why the bag was never reported as being found or seen again and why ALE found it necessary to come up with a cock-eyed story about discovering the body of a little boy at the rocks that day that had, supposedly, gone missing a year earlier…

      That still doesn’t explain what Joran and Paulus were doing there that day, nor does it explain what they are doing walking among us today, writing BOOKS!!!

      Go Figure…

    143. Robert on April 24th, 2007 5:03 pm

      The interview with Joran just aired in the “Hart van Nederland” (Heart of the Netherlands)-newsshow. I have recorded it with my videocamera and I’m bussy uploading it in iMovie to compromise it in another format; if Scared Monkeys is interested in the file please let me know (and where I can email it to and what the max filesize is that I can email).
      I’ll try to translate as much as possible before I go to sleep. It’s 11.00 p.m. in the NL’s now.


      SM:   Depends upon the length of the show.   Youtube videos are max at 10min, about the same with photobucket.   Is there a link at iMovie you can provide?   That may be enough.   THANKS!   (klaasend)

    144. mayan_moons on April 24th, 2007 5:18 pm

      Thanks Robert!

    145. Carpe Noctem on April 24th, 2007 5:29 pm

      Here is the car Paulus Van der Rapist

      likes to drive a lot, in the first couple

      of weeks of JUNE 2005.

      I believe the ultimate punishment

      Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot

      will receive for the rape and cold blooded

      murder of Natalee Ann Holloway will be dispensed

      from end of a gun. It is certainly not coming

      from a Dutch or Aruban court; I am pretty sure of that.

      I doubt very seriously Joran Van der sloot

      will live to see his early to mid twenties.

      Mark this post, and check it again in awhile!

      I do believe that boy is gonna die for his crimes.

      Just an opinion though. -j4n

    146. 10061906 on April 24th, 2007 5:29 pm

      IMO Deepak may be closer to telling the truth then anyone. I believe he really does not know where Natalee or her remains are located; but he is guilty as part of the kidnapping and rape trio. He says he has no more friends. Correct. No more pimps. Since he and his brother are still suspects the rest want to keep their distance. They obviously are no longer friends with Joran. They may not even speak to their cousin Michael Dompig anymore. Look at it this way. Joran has been released and is free to wander. Deepak and Satish have been released but are stuck on Aruba. It is like they are in their own little prison. They know what Joran and the rest have done to Natalee but cannot for fear of their lives say anything. By keeping the brothers on the island it is assured that they will not spill the beans and try to claim the reward money while off shore.

      {Which brings me to what I believe the reason no one has come forward to collect the reward. I think the closest to collecting was R W Bensen. The interested party could not come forward to anyone on the Island: Who would you trust? You can’t take a chance to get off the island to claim the reward. Who and where would they go to collect? They could not call the phones are probably monitored. And lastly; are they assured that the money is still available and collectible?}

      Suriname was originally called Dutch Guinea. The Dutch would not have as much control over the Kalpoes’ lives if permitted to return to Suriname as the Dutch Authorities currently have over them on Aruba.
      Does this make sense to anyone?

    147. Robert on April 24th, 2007 5:38 pm

      Sorry, iMovie is the videosoftware on my computer.
      It’s only a 6 minutes item so it won’t be a very big file after I’ve compromised it.
      Maybe I can put it on my/my providers webspace.
      Let you know later. I first want to translate some more.
      Here’s the first piece (my comment: part of his story he clearly learned/memmorized; it’s the same as the interview earlier this evening):

      Show-host:… Joran van der Sloot. He still is the mainsuspect in the disappearence-case of the American student Natalee Holloway. For the first time he apollogises to the parents of the girl that dissapeared two years ago at Aruba.
      In his book “The Natalee Holloway-case” the now 19 year old Joran tells his version of what happened that evening on the beach of Aruba. And also why he at first lied to the police.
      Joran: I wrote the book… well actualy for myself… I don’t like psychologists… I don’t like psychiatrists… I deal with my problems in a different way. And this is a sort of treatment as well. To write down everything that happened… and so it gets shared with others. This has been a sort of therapy for me.
      HvN: But what do you want with it?
      Joran: Uhmm.. Well… To let people that are interested see my side of the story.
      Voice over: Joran apologises in the book to the family of Natalee because he lied about what excactly happened after he was arrested. In his first statement he toled the police that he delevered the girl at her hotel. Later he told that he’d left her at the beach.
      Joran: Yes… I… Uhhh… Excuses…. Uhhh… Yes… That I lied… Excuses that… Uhh… Yes… That I left their doughter alone there… Those excuses… But… Yes… I found that… Uhhh… At their place.
      HvN: Does that eat on you.


      SM:   Someone at another website posted the audio to this show.   I do have the audio just not the video.   Thanks so much for translating!!   (klaasend)

    148. Robert on April 24th, 2007 6:09 pm

      Next piece of translation:

      HvN: Does that eat on you.
      Joran: Yes, yes.., yes.
      Voice over: Natalee Holloway’s mother this evening said she was shocked that Joran wrote a book about the dissappearence of her daughter. But she wouldn’t say more on that before she’s read it.
      Show-host: And the dissappearence of Natalee Holloway has caused quite a stirr the last couple of years. Joran was almost immediatly pointed to as a suspect. In his book he discribes what impact that has on his daily life.
      Joran reads from his book: As I write this I’m still the suspect in the Natalee Holloway-case. I hope that once it will become clear what has happened to her, how terribly it may turn out to be. Only then I will be rehabillitated, only then I can truly go on with my life.
      > Clip of the events in Aruba 30th of May 2005, when Natalee disappeared.

    149. mayan_moons on April 24th, 2007 6:09 pm

      Yeah 1906…..that makes sense sort of but what about the Dr. Phil lawsuit? Depositions have to be taken, can’t the Kalpoes, go to Cali and tell everything they know, collect the reward?

    150. mayan_moons on April 24th, 2007 6:11 pm

      Of course Nadira, hubby and daughter could come to Cali with the brothers and make a permanent holiday.

    151. mayan_moons on April 24th, 2007 6:13 pm

      Hey Carpe!

      I think you’re right!~

    152. yoyo muffintop on April 24th, 2007 6:18 pm

      Patti – First I never said the video of the rocks were fake. Jossy explained what it was – recovery of a 7yr old boy that had been missing for quite some time.
      But if I was to go with what you’re saying, how could you possibly “see thru” a plastic bag that would be thick enough to hold a 100lb body???? It’s not a Vons bag we’re talking about. Remember, you are talking about “seeing” specific thing on the surface of the skin(gunshot wound/birthmarks) including the hair and color.

    153. buckeye on April 24th, 2007 6:22 pm


      Thank you!!

    154. Patti on April 24th, 2007 6:22 pm


      You are so sweet!!!

      I can’t believe you’re doing all this work so late at
      night. I can’t tell you how much we appreciate it.

      BIG kisses and hugs!!!

      We owe you dinner… anytime.

    155. mayan_moons on April 24th, 2007 6:23 pm

      Jurine doesn’t like professional’s in Mental Health guys! He’s got his own way of dealing with his problems…

    156. Carpe Noctem on April 24th, 2007 6:28 pm

      Did Joran give apologies

      and a full accounting for the

      OTHER 21 PLUS times he lied to the family

      and investigators? He lied WAY MORE than just

      one time. Who is that franken-twink kidding?


    157. mayan_moons on April 24th, 2007 6:33 pm

      One thing i noticed the first day i ever saw their faces after their arrests was Deepak & Satish looked guilty and not just guilty but ashamed. Something Jurine did not. Jurine looked sullen and angry the day his confession came out.

    158. viet vet on April 24th, 2007 6:34 pm

      #146….1006. The money is still available and collectible. If I were the Kalpoe brothers, I would come to the USA and fess up. No harm will come to them if they tell what happened. Harm might come to those who try to harm them. We really think they were involved, but their role was minor compared to Joran and Paulus. I do think someone will talk, just don’t know when. There are way too many people involved to keep it secret forever. I also looked at the judicial/Joran site. It has some anti-semetic slants, but does anyone know for sure if all these people are really Jewish. Does not matter what religion they are, just would like to know. There wasn’t a whole lot of anti-Semetism, maybe the remark about Joran’s mother, but if they were indeed Jewish, maybe they are anti-christian. Who knows..bottom line is our girl is gone and the Aruba/Dutch law enforcement don’t seem to care. Scared Monkeys do care, a great group.

    159. Patti on April 24th, 2007 6:37 pm

      Yo Yo:

      I don’t know how it worked or why it worked, but it did.

      Someone was saying they saw something similar on one of
      those Forensic Files shows. I don’t know if it has to do
      the the shadows that are reflecting from the inside of the
      bag or what… but it was done with a filter. I guess with
      filtering light from outside the bag, you can see the light
      being reflected from the inside of the bag…

      It is amazing.

      The thing is, once you see it, you’ll know it’s not fake.

      Yo Yo,

      You know so much about this case…

      Are you on our side?

      I hope so.

    160. mayan_moons on April 24th, 2007 6:38 pm

      Hey vietvet!

      Nice to see you!

    161. Robert on April 24th, 2007 6:41 pm

      > Clip of the events in Aruba 30th of May 2005, when Natalee disappeared.

    162. Robert on April 24th, 2007 6:45 pm

      Sorry, little error in the transmission. Guess I have to skip the brackets.

      Next piece of translation:

      Clip of the events in Aruba 30th of May 2005, when Natalee disappeared.
      Joran from his book: I leave Natalee behind. I didn’t even say goodbye to her well, or told her that I have someone who’ll pick me up. I walk to the car…
      Voice over: Until now there hasn’t been found any evidence that proofs Joran has something to do with her dissapearence. Joran is set free and goes to Holland to study. This to the horror of Natalees family.
      Beth Twitty: It’s not easy. It’s very difficult and you know we just keep having great expectations when they arrest new suspects and… That we’ll be getting closer to an answer. But it all seems to wind up at a dead end. And that makes it all very frustrating.
      Voice over: The family rewards one million dollars for the one that finds Natalee alive and files a lawsuit to Joran and his father. In US media Joran is imaged as a monster.
      Joran from his book: They have tried to image to viewers, listeners and readers that I would be an arrant-liar, a monster, a gang-rapist. I would collaborate with my corrupt father and make use of his good contacts.
      Show-host: Yes, so Joran until today denies all accusations. But it is a fact that he’s the last one who saw Natalee alive. And the question remains what exactly happened on the night she dissapeared. And if Joran didn’t do it.., who did. We asked Joran himself.
      Joran: I too was always impressed that she wanted to have sex with me. And… I wanted that too. And uhhh… When it came to it I didn’t have a condom with me and I uhhh in fact… Well then it was in fact end of party.
      Voice over: In his book Joran discribes to the detail the last moments he spents with Natalee. According to Joran Natalee wants to stay at the beach after their love-affair to see the stars. But Joran doesn’t like that, walks of the beach and sees his friend Satish.
      Joran from his book: I see Satish sit in the car and open the door. “What are you doing?” he asks. I: “She doesn’t want to go to the hotel.” Satish: “Fok die bitch” (“Fuck that bitch”.) – that means something like: Let her go. I get in the car without telling Natalee that we leave and we drive away.
      Joran: I want to do that over. I did ask her if she wanted to go back to her hotel and she didn’t want that. And in the end I should have thrown her over my back and just take her back to her hotelroom and throw her on the bed. So that she could have stayed there. Then this all wouldn’t have happened.
      Voice over: So Joran at first hid that he’d left her at the beach. Lies he says now, to spare his girlfriend and his parents. Lying is easy for him he says. (???!!!???)
      Joran: It was an easy way to go around problems.
      HvN: So you did that often in general.
      Joran: Yes I did that in general as well. Yes uhhh… I now try to do that no longer (???!!!???) but now I find myself sometimes as well… And then I think “Shit, why did I say that… That’s absolutely not true…”
      Voice over: Whatever… For the parents of Natalee there’s only one person responsible for the disappearence of their daughter: Joran! Joran says he can understand that.
      Joran: If someone I love would be missing… And the guy who would be with her the last… I wouldn’t know what I would do to that person.

    163. Patti on April 24th, 2007 6:45 pm


      Are you asking for a clip of events?

    164. mayan_moons on April 24th, 2007 6:47 pm

      I agree vietvet…..the brother’s involvement was wrong but if the family worked with them to tell all they know and wanted no harm to come to them i know those wishes would be respected.

    165. Patti on April 24th, 2007 6:53 pm


      There’s a voice I haven’t heard in a while…

      I hope you’re doing well.

      And, Yes… we are a good group… all of us!

      Viet Nam Vet:

      Having you and Robert here…

      It’s like a family reunion!


    166. Carpe Noctem on April 24th, 2007 6:55 pm


      Jurine doesn’t like professional’s in Mental Health guys! He’s got his own way of dealing with his problems.

      Right, Mayan!

      Joran likes to rape and kill what he considers to be problems. It is his own special way of dealing with it,
      and sharing it with people.

      Who’s he kidding?


      Joran Van der sloot > rapist – serial liar – murderer of Natalee Holloway. He is a sickness.

      thanks for the translation Robert! -j4n

    167. Carpe Noctem on April 24th, 2007 7:03 pm

      >Joran from his book: I leave Natalee behind. I didn’t even say goodbye to her well, or told her that I have someone who’ll pick me up.

    168. Patti on April 24th, 2007 7:03 pm


      Like Beth says…

      Keep him talking

      Does he actually believe himself?

      CrAzY nUt !?!?!?!

    169. Patti on April 24th, 2007 7:05 pm


      That was as good as watching T.V.


    170. Carpe Noctem on April 24th, 2007 7:06 pm


      Natalee’s killer,
      Joran Van der sloot he has changed it up his
      story again for his book. -j4n

    171. Robert on April 24th, 2007 7:07 pm

      Last piece of the Hart van Nederland – Urine vd Ditch – interview:

      Joran: If someone I love would be missing… And the guy who would be with her the last… I wouldn’t know what I would do to that person. I mean that… Then I would realy… I don’t know… But then I could be realy bad…
      HvN: So you can understand that?
      Joran: Yes I can understand that.
      HvN: Did you murder Natalee?
      Joran: No off course not…
      HvN: Or get rid of her body?
      Joran: No off course not…
      HvN: So you have nothing to hide?
      Joran: I have absolutely nothing to hide and I’m absolutely not afraid where uhhh… that I’ll be arrested again cause I know that I (can’t hear what he says there).
      Voice over: Who IS responsable for the disappearence of Natalee after reading Jorans book remains a puzzle.
      Joran: Yes, uhhh, I uuhhh, …. , I realy don’t know. I hope one day uhhh, it gets clear what happened…. And I believe uhhh, that one day it’ll get clear that uhhh…
      HvN: Why do you believe that?
      Joran: Yes uhhh… In the end uhhh… Somebody must know more…. Somebody must know something… And you can’t live your whole life with that… That I know for sure.
      Show host: The book “The Natalee Holloway” case is in the shop from tomorrow on…………………….

      Have a nice evening you all.


    172. Carpe Noctem on April 24th, 2007 7:19 pm





      BRO BRO! =)


      Justice for Natalee
      Boycott Aruba!

    173. Carpe Noctem on April 24th, 2007 7:30 pm

      Joran: Yes uhhh… In the end uhhh… Somebody must know more…. Somebody must know something… And you can’t live your whole life with that… That I know for sure.


      Right Joran, more people do know… like Deepak and Satish,

      who will come to California, and decide they like it

      and decide to fry your ass.

      You are correct

      many more people do know, and they do not want to

      take it to their death beds!

      It’ll be fun to watch

      them light you up,

      you friggin’ idiot.


      Beth & Dave deserve to know

      exactly what you did to break their


      (and ours, I might add.)

      Again, thanks so much for

      translating all that Robert! -j4n

    174. Patti on April 24th, 2007 7:31 pm


      Thanks, Again

      I’m going to go to bed, too.

      Hopefully, we’ll see you tomorrow
      to get your thoughts.


    175. mayan_moons on April 24th, 2007 7:33 pm

      I wonder just how much interaction with mental health Jurine has had?

      Anita told Greta it was for lying, stealing and beating up his brothers…..remember that? I’m like pfft…..everybody…big people lie….they ALL lie and i don’t think thats why the Sloots had Jurine seeing a doctor. It was/is alot more serious than that, just think about it. The Sloots let Jurine drink, gamble (so who needs to steal when you’re laundering dead presidents) they put him in a lil apartment of his own behind their house. His parents had him seeing mental health professional’s for far more than that.

    176. mayan_moons on April 24th, 2007 7:41 pm

      Thank You Robert!

      Have a Good Evening Yourself!~

    177. dennisintn on April 24th, 2007 7:41 pm

      #l70, jvds is going to make a serial out of the case. a different version with different lies for 22 months. they’ll sell like dogdo at the county fair.

    178. mayan_moons on April 24th, 2007 7:43 pm

      iiii errrrr uhhhhh ehhhh????

      good lord!

    179. mayan_moons on April 24th, 2007 8:10 pm

      Ya just know its gotta be pretty bad for Anita & Paulus to seek mental health for Jurine. maybe Anita should’ve made Paulus sit in there with Jurine coz it looks like thats where Jipshit started learning how to behave.

    180. MikeToo on April 24th, 2007 8:31 pm

      I have always thought that Paulus called the Kalpoes to his home, because he feared they may talk. He probably warned them how much trouble they could be in unless they kept quiet. Then he reassured them that there would be no case without a body. He wasn’t just teaching them a lesson in criminal law. He was assuring them that the task had already been taken care of and nothing would be found. He then offered them an endless supply of lawyers.

      If it is really true that the Kalpoe step-father did purchase the café, then that would be highly suspect as well and point toward some type of payoff.

      Would PVDS have gone to such great lengths, if he thought he could cleanly remove Joran from the picture and shift all blame toward the Kalpoes?

    181. JusticeforNatalee on April 24th, 2007 8:51 pm

      Special thanks to Robert!

    182. Carpe Noctem on April 24th, 2007 8:52 pm


      Joran Van Der Sloot gets ready to make an International Spectacle out of himself AGAIN.

      Joran Van Der Sloot is going to be making the rounds promoting his latest work of FICTION. His entourage of sycophants are anxiously awaiting the resurrection of the good boy sporter image. An image created by his reckless Mother and neglectful Father and has nothing to do with the TRUTH.

      The TITLE should be : “I Killed Natalee Ann Holloway and MY Father made her disappear. What are you gonna do about it?”

      All of the book deals in the World are not going to change the facts of the Natalee Holloway case. He is still the last person seen with Natalee Holloway by his own admission. And he lied his ass off repeatedly. Remember, he’ll hate the GIRL is she reappears. Why would he say that? I would think he would be overjoyed. It would free him from a life of scrutiny.

      Unless Natalee Holloway reappears and tells a story that coincides with the story that Joran Van Der Sloot tells, he will always be a International Pariah. The likelihood that Natalee Holloway will reappear is very very slim. The ALE, Dutch Investigators and the FBI all believe that Natalee is no longer alive. There is no indication that Natalee is alive and there has not been any indication that Natalee Holloway has been seen alive since she left Carlos and Charlie’s Bar in Downtown Oranjestad with the three suspects.

      So what is the purpose of Joran Van Der Sloot’s book?

      I believe it is self-gratification and does not have to do with money. This is about a person that is a narcissist and a psychopath. A deadly combination as we all now know and Natalee Holloway paid the ultimate price. Again, she is the only person to date that has paid any kind of price. Natalee Holloway was a HUMAN BEING and is not Internet fodder for people with nothing better to do than attack a VICTIM.

      I have not seen Paulus or Anita Van Der Sloot openly protest the writing of this book or it’s release. I can only draw one conclusion. They are supporting this travesty. For those of you that wonder where Joran gets his lack of morals, you should not have to look far. It’s always been his parents poor parenting skills. At a minimum, I would expect that a parent would tell Joran that it is in bad taste to write a book while a teenage girl is still missing. That’s not the case here.

      It is those terrible parenting skills that are going to allow FUTURE VICTIMS. And more book deals. Sometimes it’s better not to have any parents. Sad, but TRUE.

      Profiting off of a crime is bad enough, but to release the book before the TWO YEAR DEADLINE for the Prosecutor to file charges also tells me that this group of murdering, raping and disappearing psychopaths are off the hook and are downright diabolical. They rub salt in the wounds that have never even had a chance to heal because of THEIR actions.

      Someone in a position of authority has already made the decision to release the suspects and told the Sloots. The rest of us will find out in the FUTURE. What other conclusion can you draw? I’d be interested to hear.

      Aruba and the Dutch seem to be two societies that have a very hard time distinguishing between right and wrong. They prove it over and over again.

      Posted by Zoltan at 10:07 AM 0 comments


    183. JusticeforNatalee on April 24th, 2007 8:56 pm

      “Joran: Yes uhhh… In the end uhhh… Somebody must know more…. Somebody must know something…”

      That’s right JORAN–YOU DO KNOW MORE. So FESS UP.
      Oh, wait, you already did!

    184. Waterboy (Jerry) on April 24th, 2007 9:12 pm

That’s why they said they took the videos and dedicated them to racism never being a factor in such a crime again, etc. That was posted on the first one filmed I believe.
      Personally, I don’t see much there. Perhaps the destruction of a fake crime scene that was planned to be used to frame the security guards.
      Comment by Mortella | April 24, 2007, 2:18 am

      Wow Mortella,

      That’s a new one. I haven’t given that any thought, but anything is possible. The criminal mind. Who can understand it, and who makes a better criminal than the fox that guards the chicken coupe. A fox, a fox, a fox from the sloot.


    185. diverboy on April 24th, 2007 9:23 pm

      So in your book Satish picked you up, heh Urine? Then why are the Kalpoes say otherwise? Better get your stories straight, boys……does that mean that Satish came back for Natalee? Is that what you are saying, Sloot? How about that Satish? hmmmm sounds like your boy is either handing you the bag of sh*t or it was yours all along……im sure the dutch investigators can see that, dont you think? hope you have one more trash bag…from what i hear…you will be using it soon…..

    186. mayan_moons on April 24th, 2007 10:05 pm

      Zolton i agree with every word you said! Anita and Paulus are just like Jurine to allow this farce of a book to be written(ghost) before the 2 year time is up!

    187. mayan_moons on April 24th, 2007 10:07 pm

      To allow it ANYTIME EVER shows what low brow, piss poor parents.

    188. Observer on April 24th, 2007 10:12 pm

      Interesting Indeed. Deepak complains about not being able to work and then we find out his step father purchased the Internet Cafe.

    189. Miss-Underestimated on April 24th, 2007 10:15 pm

      Good to see Viet Vet, Mortella and 1906 posting. Robert thanks for the info.

      The reason Joran does like shrinks is because, the will find out how he really is.

      I think the post about the bros. not knowing what happened to Natalee may be somewhat true, however, “something bad happened to Natalee” came from their own mouths. Since they could not be protected thru the courts, unless they were to be sanctioned as crown witnesses (which will not happen) They in effect legally are just as guilty at the son and pappa.

      I was hoping that the lawsuit against Dr. Phil was a ploy to be here in the US and roll on the VDS, with some sort of immunity or whatever, that didn’t happen either. Which leads me to beleive they know exactly what happened to Natalee. There were way too many characters involved in this….

      Why did Paulus go to the atm in the morning and why was Anita’s camera missing? I recall early on that a preacher had made a plea to the VDS’s wanting to know why a Holiday Inn room was completely gutted, near where Natalee was staying. Does anyone else recall that?

      Also remember the wussy boy having to sleep with his momma and daddy? What would be so dire that a young man would find security in his parents bed? Was he expecting someone to come in their home and take him?

      Too many players, too many lies, too many officials involved, too many Aruban PR lying thru their eye teeth, too many slandering and blasting Natalee and her family.

      Lying swines and pigs.

    190. Waterboy (Jerry) on April 24th, 2007 10:32 pm

      I wonder just how much interaction with mental health Jurine has had?
      Anita told Greta it was for lying, stealing and beating up his brothers…..remember that? I’m like pfft…..everybody…big people lie….they ALL lie and i don’t think thats why the Sloots had Jurine seeing a doctor. It was/is alot more serious than that, just think about it. The Sloots let Jurine drink, gamble (so who needs to steal when you’re laundering dead presidents) they put him in a lil apartment of his own behind their house. His parents had him seeing mental health professional’s for far more than that.
      Comment by mayan_moons | April 24, 2007, 7:33 pm

      To mayan_moons,

      You’ve defiantly got something there. Father Sloot is not going to send Joran to a mental health counselor for lying, gambling, drinking, perverted sexual activity, beating up his brothers, or shooting the family dog cause hey, “boys will be boys.” So-for what? What in Papa’s mind would be so bad that he would send him to a mental health counselor?

      Hey, just kidding, but how about evoking the name of God or Jesus in public. Now papa would think that needed the attention of a mental health expert.

      No really, in my opinion, whatever Joran did would have to be so diabolical as to be unbelievable to any human mind, even a very sick, sick mind.


    191. mayan_moons on April 24th, 2007 10:33 pm

      Ya know its one thing to say it on the internet or in a room full of dirty ALE that you’re buddy Satish prolly went back to the beach but now its in a book, forever tied with the killer of Natalee.

      Bet Satish isn’t to happy about it!

    192. IndyDan on April 24th, 2007 10:55 pm

      Thanks Robert!!

    193. yoyo muffintop on April 24th, 2007 10:56 pm

      #159 Patti – explain that to me again?? X-ray vision is only in the movies & comic books. It is not possible, plain and simple. Don’t be so gullible.

      and viet vet – you gotta be kidding me. You say: “I also looked at the judicial/Joran site. It has some anti-semetic slants, but does anyone know for sure if all these people are really Jewish. Does not matter what religion they are, just would like to know. There wasn’t a whole lot of anti-semetism, maybe the remark about Joran’s mother, but if they were indeed Jewish, maybe they are anti-Christian.”
      I will state it, because everyone is too much of a coward to since you are “anti-joran” – this pretty much prove the fact that YOU are anti-Semitic! Disgusting. Check out their home page and tell me if it has “some” anti-Semitic slant – I’m sure you’ve got it bookmarked.


      SM:   Yoyo – just because you apparently read through all the topics at that site doesn’t mean most people do.   The Natalee section is not as bad as the rest of the site.   I agree that the site is anti-semitic overall but just because someone reads the NH section there does not make them anti-semitic.   (klaasend)

    194. mayan_moons on April 24th, 2007 11:04 pm

      Maybe they took Jurine to a shrink coz he almost OR maybe did kill someone the family liked/cared about.

    195. mayan_moons on April 24th, 2007 11:06 pm

      Coz don’t forget……if it isn’t happening to them or someone they care about, it doesn’t matter.

    196. Carpe Noctem on April 24th, 2007 11:08 pm

      Sleuth & Patti are right about the gunshot to head.


      The bag does absolutely

      have human forms visible.

      A hand, a head even.

      This video has not yet been imaged by

      enough professionals yet.

      It is like Yo-Yo Dildo Top

      says: “A Masters versus a Merit Badge.”

      …and a person with a name like


      really ought to know, right!?!

      More qualified professionals need to have

      a “go” at MARRIOTT BASIN BAG / VIDEO #24.

      There are definitely more things

      to image and record in the bag that

      need to be seen!


      I believe with all of my heart and soul, Natalee

      is in it. I pulled the following likeness of Natalee’s

      image from that exact bag. She appears to have a gunshot

      right in the center of her forehead.


      Boycott Aruba

    197. Observer on April 24th, 2007 11:11 pm

      Ya know its one thing to say it on the internet or in a room full of dirty ALE that you’re buddy Satish prolly went back to the beach but now its in a book, forever tied with the killer of Natalee.

      Bet Satish isn’t to happy about it!

      Comment by mayan_moons | April 24, 2007, 10:33 pm

      He had to get Satish involved somehow and at the same time not Involve his Father or whoever picked him up. He knows Deepak has a Alibi on the Computer and Satish does not.

    198. minnesota dad on April 24th, 2007 11:20 pm

      Folks, it is pretty clear. This book is coordinated with the “Dutch Investigators” in order to stitch up any loose details so that when they announce the case is closed, Joran’s account matches up to the facts of their investigation.

      Pretty sick stuff. md

    199. mayan_moons on April 24th, 2007 11:49 pm

      Hey Carpe!

      In that still you just posted…..i can see an outline for a long barrel(longer than a 38 colt) pistol. Its on your left/her right and the end of the barrel is pointing right at her right cheek, just below her right eye.

    200. mayan_moons on April 25th, 2007 12:22 am

      I could be wrong…..wouldn’t be the first time but t do see the barrel and the grip. Can see the steel and grooves.

    201. Carpe Noctem on April 25th, 2007 12:30 am

      I do believe Natalee was shot, Mayan.

      I believe that is what the three goons basically

      tell us in the SECRET A.L.E. TAPES.

      …and Satish, you might want to pick up

      a copy of GOON BOY’S BOOK son, cuz

      he’s basically walking you down a path of

      being the one who shot her.

      I believe Joran shot her in his apartment

      to try and quiet her, because she kept refusing

      to have sex with that effing overgrown maggott,

      and she screamed, punched, & fought him

      & then threatened

      him with going to the police.

      The Kalpoes were already on

      the way home when it happened,


      >It was Joran’s gun.

      Joran says: “Satish, you go home and get your gun. Me shoot

      you two dead.”

      >Joran had a gun.

      Joran knows a little something or two

      about killing people, retard.

      Natalee was not his first kill,

      and it doesn’t look like she will

      be his last. -j4n

    202. mayan_moons on April 25th, 2007 12:50 am

      Hell no its not the first time he shot someone coz you can’t be a novice shooter and shoot somebody right between the eyes like that. Thats the most cold blooded. Yeah Jurine was the one talking about killing the Kalpuke’s in the van. He’s a blood thirsty bastard and i’m telling ya straight up Carpe….i hope someone soon puts one between his eyes……soon.

    203. mayan_moons on April 25th, 2007 12:51 am

      sooner the better…

    204. mayan_moons on April 25th, 2007 12:59 am

      That shot between her eyes is why Beth and Dave couldn’t have their child’s broken body back home.

    205. Carpe Noctem on April 25th, 2007 1:40 am


      IN THE 510-24 BASIN – A STEP BY






    206. yoyo muffintop on April 25th, 2007 2:11 am

      Mayan & Carpe – you two remind me of Lloyd & Harry. Lol. Read post #199 and see for yourself. Too funny.

      #145 Carpe – Collin Finnerty’s getting close to his mid twenties, should be dead soon since Crystal Gail Mangum’s bloggers feel the same towards him as you joran. That sucks, huh. So young. What a sad place the internet is at times.
      Question: Why do you not respect the wishes of the Holloway family? They have asked for the hate to stop yet you keep on. I guess the respect you’ve stated you have for the Holloway family is disingenuous, no?

    207. yoyo muffintop on April 25th, 2007 2:55 am

      Capt I – you’re leaving out the good stuff for all to see – show us the shots of the gang rape going on while the bag was filmed as well as the body parts laying around. You spent days on that. Remember? After those “compelling” pictures shown in #205, we’ve gotta see those again.

      Still waiting for that link on how to “see thru” a plastic bag, thick enough to not break with a 100lb(oh sorry, 102lbs-I forgot about the gun.although it’s beyond me how it got to where its pointing at her temple.cant be a coincidence since that doesn’t exist in this body in it, from a screen grap at 72dpi from a video camera.

    208. viet vet on April 25th, 2007 3:20 am

      Maybe you can answer my question YOYO, whatever the judicial site is/was/will be is not what I asked. What I want to know is it true what they post about everyone in the Holloway case being Jewish? Seems hard to believe, since there are not that many Jewish people in the world, that the van der Sloot’s, Dompig, van der Straaten, Dennis Jacobs, etc.,etc., etc. would all be Jewish. I am Christian in faith but have Jewish friends. Are all the boys in that group who were questioned by the ALE Jewish? There was some reference to Natalee saying her mother was Hitler’s sister, but that is definitely not true. Natalee’s family is in no way related to Hitler. If you ask if someone is Jewish, it does not mean you are anti-semetic. If Joran and the whole gang was Jewish, surely they didn’t really think poor Natalee was related to Hitler and the war crimes in some way. Her family, like mine fought for the USA, and we won in 1945. Check it out YOYO, the war is over … we won. I have not seen any comment by the Monkeys that could be stretched to anti-semetic. I don’t even know if Joran is a Jew, but if he is guilty of murder it is NOT because he is Jewish, or Catholic, or Muslem, or atheist. He is sick..period..sick. This whole cover-up, his new book, ALE, and probably the 10 Dutch investigators are all tainted with his sickness. I think Minnesota Dad is very correct in his comment of 198. Joran will have to do more than write a book based on lies. His only salvation is to see a good lawyer, confess, and get some good mental treatments. Otherwise, he will live a life in a guarded hell. Who’s going to invite over for dinner?

    209. yoyo muffintop on April 25th, 2007 3:23 am

      And for those of you – well, all I guess – that want the ALE to give all the info about the case to the Holloway/Twittys so the family can have answers(before the end of the investigation) and that this never happens nor would ever happen in the US…I give you Pat Tillman’s family.
      Pat was tragically killed in Nov 2004 and his family still hasn’t got the answers. The US Govt lying and covering up is almost as tragic. We should expect better.
      From today’s Washington Post (4/25/07):

    210. Robert on April 25th, 2007 3:39 am

      The first interview with JvdSloot last evening has been put on the site of that show now. Here’s the link:
      I’ll translate it later today if you like.

    211. Richard on April 25th, 2007 5:40 am

      “Joran: I too was always impressed that she wanted to have sex with me.”

      Yeah, right. The central delusion that this mental case is hanging on to. It’s this idea that he probably cherishes, because it allows of the ditch to think that, basically, whatever happened was ALL NATALEE’S FAULT. She was pursuing him. She got in the car pursuing him.

      Strange that there are so many conflicting stories, but he doesn’t bother working through the details. Instead, he keeps focused on this idea. What else can it be but the mental lifeline to which he is grasping throughout … the one delusion that he uses to condole himself.

      It wasn’t my fault. She was pursuing me.

      There was a lot of talk about his being psychotic. These terms can be thrown about lightly, but the four Dutch detectives who interviewed him in the summer of 2005 were saying what an unusual character he was. I wonder if the Netherlands is keeping an eye on him? Hope so, but doubt it.

      Of the ditch Junior has talked about everything BUT human trafficking. Two years later, no sign of Natalee. I’m not yet convinced this couldn’t have happened.

      Let’s remember that the Miami Herald travel show is on this weekend. Some people will be there, standing up for Natalee.

      “No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba.”

      Boycott Aruba. Stand up for Natalee!

    212. Richard on April 25th, 2007 5:45 am

      Joran may be making an international spectacle of himself (#182), but it may well be part of a PR campaign to try to fend off anything that the Dutch may come up with.

      Obviously, none of us here can say for certain how genuine the Dutch efforts are. Who knows if they have something, or if they’re looking mainly into the bribery stuff and the claims that Natalee is part of the probe are only cover?

      We’ll find out ere too long.

      But I wish the HT family were out there actively countering this stuff coming from the “enemy camp.” I don’t think their silence is putting pressure on anyone. Let’s remember the adage about shutting the barn door after the horse is stolen.

    213. Robert on April 25th, 2007 6:56 am

      Here’s the transscript/translation of the De Wereld Draait Door-interview! It turns out to be quite a long piece of text…

      Introduction by showhost DWDD: It’s almost two years ago now that Natalee Holloway during her vacation on Aruba dissappeared under mysterious circumstances, without a trace. The person that saw her as last is Joran van der Sloot. He’s almost immidiatly pointed at as suspect, arrested and after a period of three months finaly because of lack of evidence, released. Despite that Joran is still a suspect in this case he tries to build on a new life in the Netherlands. And on this messy period in his life Joran wrote this book: The Natalee Holloway Case. Joran… Welcome. You could think uhh.. why written this book… Cause now you’re sitting next to me on this table… You poke up a case that maybe we didn’t forget totaly about but that had slipped clearly to the background… Why do you do this?
      Joran: Yes I uuh.. You are uhh totaly right uhh there… Because uuhh, it just was quiet again. And I prefer the quietness and not the media-attention… But I finaly decided to write the book. For myself as well. Uhh… Not that other people… For myself as well… As a way to deal with all that has happened and all that I’ve been gone through. Uhh… Yes that as well has been a sort of therapy for me… To write all that…
      DWDD: To write it all off of you.. To put it all in the right order/to get it all clear…
      Joran: Yes. To put it all in the right order/to get it all clear…
      DWDD: Did somebody give you that advice? Like… Joran to realy get a grip at this… To realy get clean with this… you should write a book?
      Joran: No, no, uhh… They have adviced me a lot… To go talk with a psychologist or a psychiatrist… But just… I myself don’t feel uhh, the need for that.
      DWDD: No need for a psychiatrist?
      Joran: No. I think that all people deal with their problems in a different way.
      DWDD: Hmm.
      Joran: And… Yes… For me it’s not to go see a psychiatrist. Uhh… That uuh… Yes…
      DWDD: Oké. You wrote a book. Before we’ll discuss that we’ll look at what all has happened two years ago.

      Clip/summary of the facts that have happened on Aruba

      DWDD: What is your status now? I just told in the introduction, that you are still a suspect. What does that mean?
      Joran: I uhh, officialy am still a uhh… just suspect.. Uhhh, I think even the mainsuspect in the dissappearence. That is uhh… what uhhh…
      DWDD: Is this you think… When we’ve read this… are we convinced of your innocence?
      Joran: Uhh I didn’t write it for that… Uhh it uhh… It’s absolutely not that uhhh I wanted to defend myself… That uhh I wrote it with that intention, no. That was not the intention and neither do I spare myself absolutely in this book. I don’t know if you’ve read it already?
      DWDD: I have read it.
      Joran: Yes uhh… I uuhh. I don’t think I spare myself
      DWDD: No but that it is something that you didn’t do it is clear.. (Comment by Robert: I think most dutch disagree here with the DWDD-host!!! And if you look closely at Joran at this point in the clip, you can see that he’s suprised by this remark of the DWDD-host himself! And from here on he smiles a lot more…)
      Joran: Yes but that’s what I always….
      DWDD: But that you aren’t an easy guy is clear as well. A reckless guy… A bit of a strange guy… Who did strange things sometime…
      Joran: Yes… yes…
      DWDD: That is something that you wanted to write down as well?
      Joran: No… Yes… Well not per se wanted…
      DWDD: You wrote it down…
      Joran: Yes everybody has his little secrets… That you rather keep private… And now uh I don’t have those little secrets no more…
      DWDD: You are especialy a suspect because you’re the last one that saw her. And you told the police: Listen, I dropped her off at the hotel… We had a nightly encounter… A little affair… A little lovin’… After that I dropped her off at the hotel… That was not the truth… You did that because you wanted to portrait yourself somewhat better than you were… Cause you thought… Yes… When I tell them that I left her at the beach I look a bit like a bastard… I don’t want that… You later had to confess that lie… And so you made your first lie and then they thought… Well, we’ll have to see what this guy is all about?
      Joran: Yes… Well that was not the only reason I lied. There were uhh much more reasons for that… For instance uhh… The night that I had gone out was an evening before a school-day and the next day at had school… And my parents didn’t even know that I was out, at all… And I had a girlfriend that time as well at Aruba… That off course is something that isn’t very nice either… If she finds out…
      DWDD: That’s right… Maybe you didn’t know the seriousness of the delict untill then… But still as a reader you try to follow the reasoning in the book… And it’s rather easy to follow… I must say that… What I didn’t understand is that for a reckless guy like you are… Who was after girls a lot… And had relatively much succes with that… And you write very openly about that… At a certain point you end up with her at the beach… And she wanted that… She wanted to see the sharks… A loving-thing emerges there… And that should have led to sex…
      Joran: Yes
      DWDD: And then you say: Ho wait… I don’t have condoms with me… ???
      Joran: Yes.., yes…
      DWDD: It stoppes there!!!??? Then I thought… A guy who is that reckless… Who’s drank a lot…. With a girl that wants eagerly… That is a very courtious remark…. ???
      Joran: Yes ahh… Yes that might sound strange maybe but she was a tourist there who was on a vacation… And I only knew her that one night… When you have a girlfriend for a long time then I think making love without a condom as different from making love with someone you only met that night. I don’t know… I didn’t know a lot about her.
      DWDD: So it was more for the protection of you?
      Joran: Yes… And I’ve always (Can’t hear what he says there.) I have always… Yes…
      DWDD: Did you have… all the time that you’ve been a suspect and now she’s still been missing…. And untill today this mystery isn’t solved… Did you ever think… Maybe I did it? Maybe I did something strange?
      Joran: Yes, yes…
      DWDD: And is that indeed a possibillity?
      Joran: Nooo… Not that… I know that… I am OK in my head… That’s not a problem… I know what has happened but… Yes… But I…
      DWDD: You know what happened to you and her!?
      Joran: Yes I know what happened to her and me in that period that we were together. I can remember that very well.
      DWDD: How do you get through a time then… When the mother stirrs things up… Dr.Phill gets in this case in the US… He says that you are guilty and the US has to brake up all contacts with Aruba… It went that far… Let’s look at the mother…

      Clip of Beth Twitty; see clip

      DWDD: They held a BIG campagne to get you convicted. To image you as the perpetrator… To judge ruled different… In your book you write a different story as well… The mystery remains unsolved… What could have happened?
      Joran: Uhm
      DWDD: You know the island… You were there at the beach…
      Joran: I know that island very well. It’s not a big island. And uhh… I think in any case that I’m the last one to go speculate on that. And in the book there are presented some possibilities…
      DWDD: She could be alive… still….
      Joran: She should still live maybe…
      DWDD: Is that thinkable?
      Joran: I don’t think that to be honnest., no… I uuhh, don’t think she’s still alive. I think the hope is still there for people who want to hope that… Then the hope is still there… I think not that she…
      DWDD: Youre now doing a study in the Netherlands… Maybe not coïncidental you don’t want to be at Aruba any longer… Will you ever return to Aruba?
      Joran: I would love to go back to Aruba… For me Aruba is my house. Uh yes… I feel there….
      DWDD: Oke it may be your house but you could say as well that I don’t want to be at that place again.
      Joran: No I go back to Aruba with all pleasure. And the people of Aruba have always taken me in their arms and have supported me there… And that’s done me very good as well. And certainly for my family… Because my family… My father, mother and two younger brothers still live there.
      DWDD: Do you feel…
      Other guest: Are you allowed to travel because your still a suspect?
      Joran: Yes, well no… I can travel where-ever I want… around the world…
      Other guest: To the US as well?
      DWDD: Joran… To conclude… You did leave her at the beach.
      Joran: Yes
      DWDD: A guy with a little regards doesn’t do that. Don’t you feel at least a bit accessary as to what happened to her?
      Joran: Yes, off course… That is uhhh… Yes, sure…
      DWDD: How guilty do you feel about that?
      Joran: Yes, very much uhhh. I mean… a real man shouldn’t have left her behind at the beach. For whatever reason… Yes I have tried… I did ask her to come back to the hotel. But, yes…
      DWDD: She had drank too much…
      Joran: Yes….
      DWDD: You could have taken her on your neck and walk, or not….
      Joran: Yes, that’s what I said earlier today… I should have thrown her on my back and take her to her hotelroom and throw her on the bed and then…
      Other guest: Condoms… (Suggestive tone…)
      DWDD: I’m amazed that we can laugh in this conversation? …
      Other guest: Yes, it’s very serious. I guess it’s horrible that when you are suspected of something like this and … that mother is convinced… Were you able to speak to the mother… So you could….
      Joran: I have never talked with the mother. She did ask me some things when I was in prison and I wanted to answer them but my lawyers adviced me not to do that. So I didn’t do that. Now at this moment I have nothing to say to her anymore… I don’t feel the need for that any longer.
      DWDD: You must be very eager to have this case solved so you can clear the atmosphere around your person…
      Joran: Well in the end the people that are imported to me and the people whom I love have always believed in me. And they alwayswanted to do so.
      DWDD: Yes but you move around in the Netherlands, you write a book… I can imagine that you pray that all this comes to a solution…
      Joran: Yes, I pray for that… Yes… Yes…
      Other guest: What I don’t get is… The US have done all they can… F16-have flown above Aruba… They’ve made photographs from the air… Aruba isn’t that big is it? So two times on your bycicle and you…
      Joran: Yes it’s quite a small island… 23 x 7 km….
      Other guest: Look… The US can go all the way to Irak and get Saddam out of his hole… But this girl… on such a small island… they can’t find her. That’s strange I think.
      Joran: Yes… That’s why…. Well, I am convinced she’s no longer at Aruba… That is something that… living or dead… That’s she is nowhere… uhhh…. Yes… is on Aruba… cause then she would have just been found (Comment by Robert: What must this person think of himself… Always lying and no longer being able to keep hanging on to the truth. It makes me sick only watching it.. Let alone….) Joran again: You can not think about this… how much searching has been going on there… And uhhh… How many people are interrogated…. And uhhh how big…. They have questioned everybody I have ever even met… I know what anybody I know thinks about me… Let me put it that way…
      Other guest: So they’ll interrogate me too soon….?
      Joran: I hope not… For you…
      DWDD: Thanks for being here… Urine vander Ditch

    214. MikeToo on April 25th, 2007 6:58 am

      Hey Deepak! Remember telling Joran you wanted to keep your younger brother out of this? Well, Joran is making the rounds in the Netherlands trying to nail young Satish to the cross. Why do you continue to protect the lying bum? He would stab you in the back just for fun!

    215. MikeToo on April 25th, 2007 7:38 am

      Reading through some of these transcripts, I get the impression that the interviewers think Joran is full of chit! Does it come across that way while watching these things?

    216. MikeToo on April 25th, 2007 8:03 am

      The comments on this page are very interesting. Joran is not fooling anyone in any country.

    217. MikeToo on April 25th, 2007 8:27 am

      All the negative news coming out of Aruba and now the Netherlands must be digging into MF’s pockets. He/she has taken the usual low class, ignorant stance of attacking the victim.

      {{edit – we don’t link to that site}}

      Some of these people are extremely stupid and they claim to have the best interest of Aruban in their hearts. BS!

    218. Robert on April 25th, 2007 8:57 am

      # MikeToo | April 25, 2007, 8:03 am

      The link to that Telegraaf-page is a great link; almost all posters say Joran lies and knows more of what happened and has propably a big hand in the death of Natalee.

      Good post!

    219. MikeToo on April 25th, 2007 9:05 am

      Robert – I was glad to see that few in the Netherlands have been taken in by this character Joran. That kid is a text book classic sociopath and it becomes more and more clear each time he opens his mouth.

    220. MikeToo on April 25th, 2007 9:10 am

      Robert – What do you make of this comment? Is the person just confused about the name, or is Kimberly someone else that Joran knows?

      Wat een engerd die goser van een Joran. Natuurlijk heeft hij Kimberly vermoord. Ophangen die geesteszieke met zijn vader erbij!

      rk, aruba wo 25/4, 10:53

    221. MikeToo on April 25th, 2007 9:53 am

      I sure hope some of the Dutch investigators in Aruba have a copy of this book!

    222. MikeToo on April 25th, 2007 10:15 am

      I have a strong feeling that Joran has been reading at RU and FOB. And, he actually believed that some of them knew what they were talking about. lol

    223. Robert on April 25th, 2007 10:34 am

      # MikeToo | April 25, 2007, 9:10 am
      I have never heard of Kimberly. Maybe he’s confused. Or maybe it’s just a sick joke.

    224. Patti on April 25th, 2007 12:37 pm


      Last night Klaas got a copy of the video and she
      added the dialog using your translation material.

      It was great!

      Thank you so much…

    225. Meee on April 25th, 2007 11:54 pm

      Robert, I see that Peter De vries posted on the site. Does it say something about father and bribes?

    226. Amarion Carey on March 21st, 2009 7:22 pm

      Lil wayne is still going hard, nuthing changed, he still releases a crazy amount of songs! compare to other rappers.

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