Enough of the Agendas … Let’s Blame the Ultimate Person Responsible, Cho Seung-Hui


The Face of Hate


(Vanderbilt – ’07)

S’not about guns, S’bout random lunatics.
Plenty of Gunophobes are now screaming that guns must be registered (read confiscated). Minutes after this psycho committed the mass murders, the anti-gunners were changing the subject to suit their agenda.  This miscreant coward shot himself to avoid the aftermath of his crimes

Let’s remember in all of the media analysis just who is to blame for this heinous crime that has shocked the sensibilities of all rational people. The videos show that this was a plane and premeditated event. Who is to blame? Ultimately it is the shooter, , Cho Seung-Hui. This man was so filled with hate there may have been no way to have stopped this massacre. He was hell bent on going out with a blaze of glory.

Developing …

Gunman sent package to NBC News


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    29 Responses to “Enough of the Agendas … Let’s Blame the Ultimate Person Responsible, Cho Seung-Hui”

    1. kay zee ess on April 19th, 2007 8:51 am

      Amen to that,

      And as I stated on the previous board, lets’ call his “manifesto” what is really is, a DIATRIBE by a murdering nutjob.

      Lets’ stop glorifying the SOB already. We actually should burn those images of his but I guess that’s not politically correct.

    2. NM on April 19th, 2007 9:45 am

      Abso-F ing-lutly!

      Only one murdering “human” is responsible for those killings.

      Kay, good comment on “manifesto” he was incapable of such thinking. It sounded like oral diarrhea, and how humiliating to have anyone view it.

    3. Miss-Underestimated on April 19th, 2007 9:45 am

      The little bastard had to get one last jab in , to the victims families via the media.

    4. John Staton on April 19th, 2007 10:55 am

      The outstanding question is how can there be a legal intervention on someone like this? Our system gives far too much protection to a dangerous individual. There must be a better way.

    5. Richard on April 19th, 2007 11:45 am

      Here’s some more hot air from yours truly; I just sent this email to the governor of Virginia.


      As a Vermont resident, perhaps I should not be writing to you. But as an American, I wish to express two thoughts of grave concern.

      The first, and most obvious, is no doubt shared by nearly all of my fellow citizens: grief, dismay and bewilderment at the news of the atrocity at Virginia Tech.

      The second, no less obvious to me, is also, I hope, shared by the same number of people.

      That is, a feeling of total outrage and disgust that a domestic television network would see fit to put on the air a video of hate-filled rantings made by the maniac responsible.

      I see no news value in putting this on TV.

      I see no logic, compassion, or basic decency in giving to this maniac the public recognition in death that would never have been extended in life, and that not even a rabid animal would have sought or desired.

      I see no public purpose served in thrusting into the faces of the grieving families and community the garbage spewed by the assassin. Perhaps the TV network in question, MS-NBC, wanted to provide material for the viewing pleasure of al-Qaida; if so, I am sure that it succeeded.

      But to give this creature a platform from which to assail the public is beyond discussion.

      Please accept my sincerest wishes that the network will not only be called to account before the American people, but that whoever made this decision will be forced to apologize in public to the families of the victims.

      I say “forced” because nobody can imagine that anyone capable of this action would have a sense of the magnitude of its indecency.

      I appreciate your attention and assistance on this matter.

    6. oldencrabby on April 19th, 2007 11:58 am

      John, those were my thought exactly. Everyone’s hands are tied.

      If his parents had seen this coming when he was younger and tried prevention they may have been charged with child abuse. The schools, law, hospitals, docs. and not allowed to share because of privacy acts.

      Today’s youngsters have been exposed to so much violence in so many ways that many think it’s the norm and the media keep harping on it. I wish they would get the sick SOB’s face off the tv and newspapers. I feel bad for his parents. Can you imagine how their hearts must ache to know their son could do this? (I will not even compare with slimy-ruba, no running for cover or gov’t coverup.)

      My sympathy goes out to those who lost loved ones and to those injured I wish a speedy recovery.

      No wonder I am oldencrabby!

    7. kay zee ess on April 19th, 2007 12:13 pm

      Thank you, Richard, for your heartfelt and poignant letter. I hope it reaches the right people and starts a drive to climb back up the moral compass that we have seemed to misplace.

    8. mayan_moons on April 19th, 2007 2:33 pm

      Its such a balencing act when these horrible shootings occur. On one side this is a free society and if it comes across as the media is hiding something those in the lunatic fringe would say *what are they hiding? why do they get to decide what we see. Then there is the other side when the networka play it over & over & over its very upsetting for the victims family’s and to the rest of us for that matter.

      One thing i feel was informative is that this POS came off as more of a jealous hateful guy more than a person thats mentaly ill, as he talks about fancy cars and gold chains ect. Yet we heard other students say they tried to befriend him making his diatribe of persecution just a load of BS.

      Once he started that fire in the dorm that should’ve been IT, Over you’re out, but then he may still have come back to do his killing.

      At the end of the day it is this man who caused this and while looking back the school could’ve done more like video cams and other things but when evil hateful people want to punish the world there’s not alot we can do to stop them.

    9. mayan_moons on April 19th, 2007 2:38 pm

      Unless someone in the faculty has a legal concealed weapon like one teacher/coach did a few years ago and sucessfully stopped the would be killer, disarming the boy and holding him till police arrived. (can’t tink of the school at the moment)

    10. Patti on April 19th, 2007 2:57 pm

      It looks like the spin of the press is showing condolences
      for what they think may or may not have happened to Cho due
      to his self-inflicted anti-socializm rather than showing
      condolences to the ones that are the true victims in this
      case. If they want to release human interest stories, let
      them tell about the lives of those that were cut short due
      to this madman’s senseless murder spree. I’m not, at all,
      interested in knowing whether Cho had any friends, I am
      more concerned with the ones that did. Friends are hard to
      come by and can only be had when one makes an effort. To
      have friends, you have to be one.

      If anyone is to be blamed for this man’s actions, it isn’t
      the kids that he went to school with. I get tired of all
      the excuses and finger pointing. This man, Cho, was not a
      victim; and if he was in any way chastised or made fun of,
      it could, very well have been his own doing.

      Is the good to be ignored and bad behavior to be rewarded?

    11. Houston on April 19th, 2007 3:18 pm

      I notice we have not heard from his parents. They are the ones who turned him loose on the world. They have known all along.

    12. Gunslinger on April 19th, 2007 3:23 pm

      But mayan, it was a gun free zone.

    13. Bodo on April 19th, 2007 3:47 pm

      Goodness! NBC is getting a lot of criticism for airing Cho’s disturbing “multi-media manifesto.” But can you imagine what the public outcry would be and what the vehement public clamoring for access to the images and information would be like if NBC withheld it because it reveals disturbing images and sound bytes of deranged individual? Now there is a hot seat situation. I agree that sometimes in some situations less information better. But in this day and age, I don’t think the vast majority of the public will very often tolerate less. :(

    14. kay zee ess on April 19th, 2007 4:19 pm

      I have heard that Fred Phelps will be attending(crashing) the VT funerals. Is this true, or am I watching the Twilight Zone in a hologram?

    15. dennisintn on April 19th, 2007 6:21 pm

      #l0, amen, miss patti, amen.

    16. dihannah1 on April 19th, 2007 9:21 pm

      Here is something about the family. I’m sorry, but I do feel sorry for them. They are in a strange country, they have to deal with the loss of there son and the guilt of what he did. As you see, they knew something was wrong, but did they know how find the proper resources for help?
      I am in NO way defending this sick persons actions, but he WAS sick and reaching out for help and our system failed him.

      Gunman’s brooding disturbed his family

      The brooding silence of Cho Seung-hui was so impenetrable it disturbed his family even when he was a boy growing up in South Korea, relatives of the Virginia killer told the Guardian today.
      His grandfather feared Cho, at eight, might be mute; the boy’s great aunt worried that he had mental problems. And his mother, Kim Hyang-im, spent most of her time in church praying for him to snap out of his unhealthy taciturnity.

      “She was heartbroken. It was always her biggest worry when she called home,” said the mother’s aunt, Kim Yang-soon. “After they moved to America, she hoped his silences would ease as he grew older. But in fact, they got worse.”

      The poor but hard-working family had a difficult beginning. Cho’s mother was forced into an arranged marriage with his father, Sung-tae, who was 10 years older and from a very different background. She was from a well-educated family of North Korean landowners, who had been forced to flee without possessions during the Korean war; he was from a poor family in the south, but had made enough money to marry by working in Saudi Arabia for 10 years on construction sites and oil fields.

      As Hyang-im was 29 – a late age for a woman to find a husband in South Korea – her father told her she had to accept the proposal. “She didn’t want to marry, but she gave in,” said Yong-soon. “Her husband was not fit for her. But she always followed and obeyed him. She never fought him, though sometimes I wish she had done.” No one in the family recalls any violent behaviour from Cho or his parents that might have hinted at the carnage to come.

      But they were unnerved by his sullenness. “My grandson was shy even as a little boy and he would never run to me like my other grandchildren,” his maternal grandfather, Kim HyongShik, told the Hankyeoreh Daily. “The boy was so different from his super-intelligent older sister. His extreme shyness worried his parents. I thought he might be deaf and dumb.”

      Schoolmates interviewed by local media said they remembered Cho as quiet and nondescript. His former teacher, Noh Yong-gil, has no recollection of him.

      But the father doted on his son and daughter. “He lived for his children. He would have done anything for them,” the grandfather recalled. “But now this has happened. It’s as if everything they’ve done, the reason for their whole existence has been for nothing. It’s as if they’ve not lived at all.”

      The family moved to the US in 1992. It did not go smoothly. During their eight-year wait for a visa, they became increasingly short of money, selling their second-hand shop and their home to make ends meet.

      They had spent the night before their flight with the mother’s family, who live in a wooden hut in the middle of a field of cabbages, spring onions and horseradishes. “They were very happy to finally be going. They thought they were off to a better life,” said Yang-soon.

      It was only the second time the grandparents had seen their grandson. “He would not talk even when I called to him. He was so quiet that I remarked that he must have a very gentle nature,” Yang-soon said. “But his mother told me he was too quiet. Soon after they got to America, he was diagnosed as being clinically withdrawn. It amazes me that he ever made it into university. I guess he must have had some mental problems from birth.”

      Cho’s family worked hard to make a success of their life in the US. His father spent hours in the laundry, earning enough money for his children’s education. His mother supplemented their income with part-time employment as a waitress at a cafeteria. Her spare time was devoted to the Korean church in Centreville, where she implored the pastor to help her son. According to the Joong-ang Daily, she always prayed that her boy could become more outgoing.

      When Cho started college, at Virginia Tech, his mother took his dormitory mates to one side to explain about her son’s unusual character and implored them to help.

      “She was worried that he spent all his time in his room, lost in a world of video games,” the paper quoted the pastor as saying. “[Cho] came to bible studies for a couple of years, but rarely spoke and never got along with the other youths. I can’t believe he has done this to such a devoted mother.”

      Back in Seoul, the family are worried that they had not heard from Cho’s parents since the killings. They have wondered if things might have been different had they been able to bring the boy out of his shell. “I just wish he would have talked,” says Yong-soon. “There is an old saying in Korea that people who won’t talk will end up killing themselves. That is what happens when the resentment builds up.”

    17. Skyboxx on April 19th, 2007 9:46 pm

      The whole thing bothers me….sure people need to be healed from this tragedy. But the president of the college was calling for healing even before the bodies were removed from the dorms and parents notified?????? It is frustrating they way the put on for the cameras. There are people who are genuinely hurting over this and will be for a long time.

      Does this college president really think we don’t see through his crap? A mad man was loose on his campus and he and others didn’t do anything abou it? It is very difficult.

      The media and others are calling him a mentally ill person – duh? But this same media refers to combat soldiers who snap under duress in Iraq who go on a rampage MURDERS! Its all insane.

      Cho was a troubled THUG who sent up flares, let alone red flags and the nice people on campus took the dumb it down approach. Dumb it down and it will all go away. Guess what it didn’t and not over 50 families are hurting due to loved ones being wounded or killed.

    18. Richard on April 19th, 2007 9:49 pm

      I can indeed sympathize with his family. Having lived in Asia for some time, I know that the idea of public shame (which seems to have vanished in our society, alas) is still very strong.

      But I think it’s beside the point. The main issue is what this person did. Most of us have had problems … I had to adjust to a “foreign society,” and being there was an act of choice for me, as it was for this person.

      So I don’t feel any impulse to lessen his responsibility or to extend him the faintest bit of sympathy. I know that you (#16) aren’t saying we should.

      But yes, sympathize with his parents … but not the killer.

    19. Skyboxx on April 19th, 2007 9:50 pm

      Next thing we will hear is from Hillary and others like her that it takes a Village to heal the mentally ill………

      And that somehow all of us are responsible for Cho. I don’t buy it. Cho was a thug, who did not have bounderies set for him and he just kept pushing and pushing.

      Had the authorities locked him up for stalking or they suspended him from class for in antics, or his parents set up bounderies for this clown, we may not have had to have this horrible day.

      People need to know there are bounderies in life and they are not to be crossed without a penalty. Cho suffered no penalties and kept going until others got hurt or worse.

    20. mayan_moons on April 19th, 2007 11:35 pm

      Ever notice how quick some are to say oh this person is mentaly ill* when they kill someone or many people but ya never hear that when someone kills a spouse or someone they know?

      Some people are just evil and resentful and mean.

    21. Patti on April 20th, 2007 1:25 pm

      I have sympathy for the parents, to a point. But it sounds like they were of the opinion that education and prayer would help their son, when, in reality he needed to be under the care of a doctor. We all have dreams for our children. We want them to do well in school. We want them to attend church. We want them to suceed. But, if a child has a mental disorder, those things are not going to help. Certainly, asking a room mate to help was, in a way, rediculous. If his own parents were unable to bring him out of his shell, how could anyone else do it?

      The fact that this man was attending the university and had been for a long time, tells me that what ever problems he had was not that severe. He functioned normally. He was able to do his studies, attend his classes and get his work done. A mentally ill person, or a person in the latter stages of mental disease, would not have been able to do these things. There is a huge difference, between mental disease and personality disorders. And I think that, if anything, he had a disorder… an easily treatable condition.

      In a court of law, he would have been held responsible for his actions. He had purchased his guns, weeks before the killing spree. He had issued threats. He had done a lot of planning to execute his deed and all the sympathy in the world cannot undo the consequences of his actions. Actions that he, willingly, chose to take; not out of illness, but out of revenge.

      Besides, he was a man, 23 years old; not a child; and ultimately, we bear the responsibility for ourselves.

    22. MuffyBee on April 20th, 2007 1:30 pm

      Houston-Comment #11. Why are you blaming Cho’s parents? It is Cho who is to blame. Cho was an adult. The parents would have no say over what he does or doesn’t do. As a parent, I have tried my best to raise my children to be good, caring people. After that, they are on their own. They make choices, whether good or bad. I have personally known parents who tried their best and yet their son or daughter chose a path that was bad or wrong. There is a point where you as a parent are not in control of your children-as when they are an adult. It isn’t very easy because of today’s laws to have someone committed for mental health problems even if you are their parents. And Cho was committed while at school for an eval. Who follows up? Who makes sure they get continuing treatment? Mental health care in our country is abysmal. Not to mention the stigma attached to asking for help. I have seen where there were people that knew they had a problem but were afraid to seek help, because it might end up in their school or work records. There is not much available to mental health help ;even insurance pays very limited amounts…

    23. kay zee ess on April 20th, 2007 2:14 pm

      A well put and poignant statement, indeed, Patti! Both comment #10 and #21.

    24. Richard on April 20th, 2007 3:19 pm

      Part or all of the Johnson Space Center has been evacuated because of a gunman. Couldn’t guess what might have set this guy off … wonder if he’s doing a video too?

    25. Gunslinger on April 20th, 2007 4:12 pm

      Richard, is he wearing a diaper too?

    26. david r on April 20th, 2007 11:36 pm

      He went out like he lived: LAME. If one were to have viewed his video before his killing spree, it would have been the most pitiful thing since William Hung on American Idol. It is about time for the SWAT teams to start swatting instead of waiting in the parking lot until the gunfire dies down. They are always abusing some poor shirtless slob on COPS, but seem totally ineffectual at times like this.

    27. A New Girl on April 25th, 2007 4:13 am

      In these troubled times, I want so much to explain last week’s tragic massacre to my pre-teen children…but how? I am filled with so much sadness, I truly don’t know where to begin.

      I do understand the culture of this foriegn family- and I DO NOT want to be classified as any type of a racist- but again- more grief weighs heavy in my heart as this young Man (not born an American) and his family came to our country for a “better life”…and that is what he recklessly ended up taking….other innocent people’s lives.

      We pray, we mourn with the families who have lost loved ones…and at night–when I rest my head on my pillow…my mind just won’t shut off. What I think of, is the truth that keeps me up during these restless nights….what I breathe in my lungs may be air….but what festers in my mind and causes me great despair is………unescapable…it is FEAR.

      I am raising two young teenagers with FEAR. Fear for our futures and overall general security. What a sad, sad thing. Although I try my best for my family to remain positive and have a bright outlook—I’m not going to lie to myself and deny it…..there is FEAR in my heart and a new uncertain hopelessness in my soul.

    28. kay zee ess on April 25th, 2007 8:25 am

      to A New Girl…

      All you need to say to your young’uns without shootin’ the breeze too much or wearing your heart on your sleeve is that a guy went nuts and shot some people and himself.

      As much as we want to sugar coat it, he was looney-tunes. Since as far back as mankind can record(Nero and before, I imagine), we always had nuts and it looks like the trend ain’t ending in this century either. Nothing more complex than that. He wasn’t “normal”, he didn’t have a “manifesto” , he had an incoherent diatribe, and while we may be saddened that things weren’t different for him, it is the victims of his insanity that we mourn for, not him. That job is for his family, with whom we can feel for.

      Enough said on this tragedy.

    29. kay zee ess on April 25th, 2007 8:31 am

      Bye the bye A New Girl…

      fear not because nobody gets out of here alive.

      Have faith in your beliefs and it doesn’t matter if you leave today or 100 years from now. Faith is what sustains us and gives us strength. It is a gift that many have not used but is here with us until the expiration date. We have but to open it up and enjoy its blessings. God bless, A New Girl, you know that you have it as well.

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