Protest Aruba in Boston … A Summary from Richard, “We the People”.

 
If one ever thinks they can’t make a difference against the establishment, think again. The United States of America is founded on the right of “Freedom of Speech.” This is a concept that Aruba, its officials and the tourism authority learned over this past weekend. Even as our people protested to given Natalee a voice, people with this show tried to take away their right to protest. However, this is America, not Aruba. 
 

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Arubans seem unwilling to stand up to their government who know deep down in their hearts that their government tourism officials messed up the Natalee Holloway investigation. A police investigation that can best be described as a joke. Here is a word of wisdom to the many hard working, honorable Aruban’s that have been affected by what their officials have inflicted upon them; people all over the world have stood up to their governments to do the right thing. In the US and abroad expressing one’s freedom of speech and rights is a noble endeavor. You to can speak out about your declining economy and why. If a individual can stand up to a tank and win, imagine what many could do?
 

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Tiananmen Square protests in 1989

 
Armed only with the desire to do what was right, inform people of Aruba, its dangers and Natalee Holloway five people set out to take on what is the million dollar tourism industry at the Boston Globe Travel Show. Richard, Hotshot, Observer, J4N and her husband should all be commended for their efforts.
 

Bethnat

(Special sign made especially for Beth Twitty & Natalee)

 
Information is a tremendous weapon against those that who would hope to squelch it and keep people uninformed as to the truth. Imagine the money that Aruba spent in marketing for this travel show. Now imagine the publicity that the five Monkeys received by being on local Boston TV getting their word out and informing people as they entered the convention center. Think that did not leave a mark and infuriate many at the ATA? We had asked Richard to write some of his thoughts and experiences in Boston. The following is from Richard, in his own words:
 
Some blogs are interested in hearing about the vigil at the Boston Globe Travel Show Usof March 23-25, so here’s my report.  None of us knew what to expect (I had never organized a protest like this before), but we all agree that it was a positive event in pressuring Aruba Tourism Authority and in keeping Natalee’s case in the public eye.  Apparently some of the TV coverage was played (I was told that my “exclusive” interview with the local Fox News, exclusive only because the other four people weren’t around at the time, did get aired.)
 

 
I got there Friday morning, armed with handouts I’d written and had printed.  Friday was was for setting up exhibits, and was not open to the public.  But we thought it best to have a presence there for all three days.
 
I got there around 11 a.m.  At the entrance to the convention center was a rather Wtcunpleasant-looking man who seemed to be Aruban.  I told a policeman there who I was, and got a ”dirty look” from the Aruban, who went back inside.  Five minutes later, someone from the Boston Globe came out and asked to see my permit to protest.  I showed it to him, whereupon he shook his head and went back inside.
 
So it seems likely that the ATA knew we would be there and was on the alert. 
 
The police guy in charge of the event told me the rules … which mainly were, don’t block people going into the event and don’t block the sidewalk.  No affixing signs to anything; we could hold them, but not paste them on buildings or lam posts, etc. Fair enough.
 
One major disappointment was that we could NOT display our “Natalee T-shirts” inside the convention center.  We’d planned to do this as a silent way of making our point.  They all had Natalee’s picture on them; some had ‘Boycott Aruba’ slogans also, some didn’t.
 

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I couldn’t see how this could be prohibited, and still don’t, but was told that it would be regarded as a demonstration inside the convention center, which was against the rules (the permit applied only to the outside), and that anyone who tried it would be in trouble.  (Since I was the coordinator, the police said, I’d be held responsible for keeping everyone in line.)
 
So we didn’t do it, disappointed though we were.  Our strategy then had to concentrate on the outside.  I held out handouts and just stood outside.   That afternoon, Kathy showed up with a big sign she’d had made saying “Justice for Natalee.”  That helped give some focus.
 
Also Friday, one Aruban hotel owner (from the U.S.) came over and was very supportive.  I won’t say much about her, because I promised her confidentiality and got the impression the ATA might come down on her.  But she gave me her card, and said she would be glad to give us any help or any info that she could, and that she basically strongly supported our doing what we were doing (although she said she didn’t think there was a cover-up).
 
She also said something interesting: according to her, the van der Sloots are practically ostracized on the island now. I don’t know if what she says is true, of course.  I think she might be a useful contact for the family.  She also told me that Aruban tourism has definitely taken a big hit.
 
Kathy left the sign, so for the rest of the day I held that up and gave out handouts.
 
On Saturday, there were five of us.  Ironically, our inability to do anything inside the building made us more effective on the outside.  There was only one entrance to the center, at least for public use, and Aruba’s big booth was very near the entrance.  So with our sign, people going in couldn’t miss us.    From time to time, the ATA people would come out and take a cigarette break.  They mostly tried to ignore us, but not offensively so.  The most obnoxious was a blond white lady (Dutch?) who seemed to imply that there was no difference between Aruba and what the U.S. does, etc.  Apparently she was very rude to some of the people who dropped by Aruba’s booth too.  But I think that once I saw the guy who had been out on the sidewalk when I arrived.  He refused to look at us in any way.
 
We had a few hundred handouts, and almost all of them were given out.  Many people who took them had at least a residual knowledge of the case  (e.g., “Who was Natalee?  Oh, right, I remember now … they still haven’t found her?”), and a lot of people remembered it clearly.  And most of the comments we got were supportive and agreeing.
 
Saturday afternoon, I had the good idea of asking people who took the handouts, “If you agree with us, please go tell the people at the Aruban booth.”  And evidently a fair number did.  One guy told me he talked to four people there, saying why he would never go to Aruba.  (Interestingly, some of us went in and tried to talk with the Aruban delegation.  At first, some of them evidently replied that their government was lousy.  I think later on they just told people that they weren’t supposed to comment on the case.)  One couple were driving by the convention center, saw our sign, pulled over and waved for a handout.  Even some of the staff working inside came over and asked for the handouts.  And on one occasion, a guy working for a catering service began talking to passers-by too.
 
All in all, it was a productive thing to do.  I certainly think that the Aruban people at the event will be reporting back about the hostile comments they got.  The TV coverage can’t have hurt.  And since Boston is a big center for Aruban tourism, it was a good place to appear.
 
Let’s hope we can get this going nationwide, so that anywhere ATA appears it will be confronted.  I picked up some pointers on doing this, and think results were good.  We were all enthusiastic and dedicated. 


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  • Comments

    422 Responses to “Protest Aruba in Boston … A Summary from Richard, “We the People”.”

    1. OldFart on March 26th, 2007 8:46 pm

      Richard, Hotshot, Observer & Justice4Natalee
      Fantasic Job and …Thank you so much.

      The signs were perfect.

      Seems like some got upset because several individuals brought attention back to Natalee’s case.

      I still remember (and always will) all the people in the street protesting Beth’s use of the word “Criminal” because they had not been convicted of a crime.

      Ya right. They were organized for other reasons and I would love to know who requested that permit.

      Again .. Well done and Thank You

    2. IndyDan on March 26th, 2007 8:48 pm

      Richard – Hats off to the Boston 5. The fact that the Trolls are out in full force tells all that the effort was nothing but a total success!

    3. Allan K on March 26th, 2007 8:55 pm

      Thanks Again guys and gals.

    4. Carpe Noctem on March 26th, 2007 8:58 pm

      WTG “Pipples”! -Inspector Clueso

    5. charlierat on March 26th, 2007 9:02 pm

      Mark my words. Six months from now, you will see a spike in tourists to Aruba from the Boston area as a direct result of the show this past weekend.

    6. mayan_moons on March 26th, 2007 9:09 pm

      Just one entrance to the show was a prayer answered as everyone that attended had to pass by staunch Natalee supporters!

      I Can Not Be More Pleased!~

    7. mayan_moons on March 26th, 2007 9:11 pm

      Good Call on that IndyDan!~

      they were hysterical!

    8. mayan_moons on March 26th, 2007 9:16 pm

      That fake and phoney front Aruba promotes is just a facade, they don’t care about the people that used to go there. There are much much better places to vacation!

    9. Scared Monkeys on March 26th, 2007 9:18 pm

      A spike … lol … Aruba is one incident against a tourist from becoming Dust Bowl, Oklahoma.

      I am actually still surprised that Aruba’s tourism is still floundering. At some point one does hit rock bottom.

      What Aruba does not realize is that many of the people that once came to Aruba only come via cruise ship now.

      Also, there are too many other places to go with no stigmas attached.

      Also, Americans are traveling within the US more.

      #5, make sure to get that pay check from the ATA.

    10. strayze on March 26th, 2007 9:22 pm

      Your committment, enthusiasm, tolerance, good judgement and patience could not have been done better. Thank you everyone!

    11. IndyDan on March 26th, 2007 9:27 pm

      #5 I’ll take you up on that Rat. Post your current figures and I’ll see you here in 6 months, that is if you’re still around. I’ll be here.

    12. Miss-Underestimated on March 26th, 2007 9:28 pm

      Ah hahaha
      Increased tourists from Boston….too funny.
      Im six months. Why would they wait six months, Aruba gonna have a buy one get one in six months.

      Bostonians don’t forget that fast.

    13. Observer on March 26th, 2007 9:28 pm

      Just one entrance to the show was a prayer answered as everyone that attended had to pass by staunch Natalee supporters!

      I Can Not Be More Pleased!~

      Comment by mayan_moons | March 26, 2007, 9:09 pm

      Me either mayan:) They had to see us on the way out as well.
      I assure that the bostonian’s that didn’t aknowledge us will think twice about going to that country.

      One bostonian told us she was hit by a car(Hit and run)and the police did nothing except protect that local. “I will never go back” Was the theme on day 2 from boston.

    14. charlierat on March 26th, 2007 9:35 pm

      #8 wrote, “What Aruba does not realize is that many of the people that came to Aruba only come via cruise ship now.”

      What #8 does not realize is that s/he is living in a fantasy world of self-importance. The above statement has no basis in fact.

      Aruba is doing just fine. I also have it on best authority from friends in the Boston area that the Aruba presentation was the hit of the show over the weekend and five measley little protesters did nothing to change that.

      But here comes the real question; how did any of this help to solve the case? On it’s best day, how was this intended to help solve the case?

      {{edit by klaasend}}

      _________

      SM: Poor Rat, cannot form a sentence without being civil. Too bad its the Aruban people who deal with tourism that are complaining that they are being affected. But you would know better … Tell that to the hard working, honest Arubans who have seen tourism disappear.

      Denial is such a terrible thing. Admitting their is a problem is your first step “Rat”

    15. Carpe Noctem on March 26th, 2007 9:36 pm

      If I wanna get jacked, knifed or shot…

      I can do it here in the good ol’ US for
      50 bucks per diem,

      complete with brunch, a movie,
      and a chocolate mint on my pillow at night.

      At least here, they possess the stones to
      bring it to court case here. — BOYCOTT ARUBA

      Hey A.L.E.”Cops” is on Channel 22,
      go fetch a notepad.

    16. charlierat on March 26th, 2007 9:37 pm

      Sorry, it was #9 (not #8) that wrote the stuff that I quoted and responded to.

    17. diverboy on March 26th, 2007 9:39 pm

      Wow….imagine..the words “spike”, “tourists” and “Aruba” in the same sentence….hmmmm….seems Ive heard them used together before…

    18. Carpe Noctem on March 26th, 2007 9:45 pm

      3/2006 GRETA / FOX NEWS JORAN INTERVIEW

      Interviewer: What’s the anger management stuff, though? At some point, correct me if I’m wrong, that you were getting some sort of… you know, that… were you going to some courses or classes or something? Was there a problem with that?

      Joran van der Sloot: No, I never went to any.

      Interviewer: Nothing like that? Never been an anger issue?

      Joran van der Sloot: No. Never. No.

      Interviewer: That’s just all made up?

      Joran van der Sloot: Yes.

      Interviewer: Totally… totally fiction?

      Joran van der Sloot: Totally made up.

      Interviewer: Ok.

      Joran van der Sloot: Totally fiction.

      ——–
      JORAN 6/10/2005 STATEMENT

      I am also under treatment of a psychologist. This because I felt bad about the fact that the girl had gone missing. Before the girl went missing I was also under treatment of a psychologist. This was because I had taken 50 euro’s from my dad and also took money from my mother and I used my brothers mobile phone without asking for permission and after that I had broken the chip from his mobile phone. I also once fought with my brother in Miami

      ——
      BALDERDASH
      ——

      Joran strikes investigator’s car with handcuffs.

      http://tinyurl.com/39eery

      -J4N

    19. Observer on March 26th, 2007 9:48 pm

      Red: Very inspiring..If a individual can stand up to a tank and win, imagine what many could do?

      No doubt Aruba need’s to come clean as it’s the only shot they have at saving there tourism here in America. If the ATA thinks that Natalee is forgotten and in the past..They better think again..

      If the ATA think’s they are gonna go to places like Boston and NY and spend hundred’s of thousands to promote Aruba and not be challenged..They better think again..

      If the Aruban Gov’t thinks that not exposing the coverup and not prosecuting the criminals responsible for natalee’s dissapearance is best for tourism..They better thing again..

      “I will do anything for my son”–Paulus Van Der Sloot
      “I would tell more but it would hurt too many people”–Paulus Van Der Sloot

    20. Richard on March 26th, 2007 9:50 pm

      CharlieRat must know more about Aruban tourism than the Aruba Tourism Authority does, as that august body has been admitting for some time now that tourism is declining.

      As I said on another thread … it’s not our job to solve the case, nor can we do it here. It’s Aruba’s job to solve it … and we’ve all seen what has come of THAT.

      So let’s give Aruba a little nudge; no justice for Natalee?
      No tourists for Aruba.

      Last I knew, Joel Gove’s body was still lost in Saba, the government there was still doing nothing to help the family, and the family were still trying to raise $75,000 for a private search and recovery effort.

      Looks to me like the whole Netherlands Antilles is going down the drain … where it should be.

    21. Miss-Underestimated on March 26th, 2007 9:51 pm

      You protesters really must have did a number on Aruba, the trolls are out and they are rearing the ugly. Good job, it’s werkin

    22. charlierat on March 26th, 2007 9:55 pm

      Since my last comment got edited, here’s the part that got snipped out of the original post. I’ll modify it to see if I can make it more palatable to those on whose feet the shoe fits:

      “Two rhetorical questions with the same answer to both: nothing that you [people that want to see harm come to Aruba] have done has ever been intended to help solve the case; it is all about unbridled, vigilante vengence against innocent people.

      If you [people that want to see harm come to Aruba]actually want to assist in solving the case, how about insisting that some of the donations that have been received by the NH trust fund be used to aide the effort instead of funding speaking engagements around the country?”

      _________________

      SM:   I wasn’t aware you had inside information regarding the accounting of the NH Trust?   How do you know what the NH Trust money is being used for?   You are FOS Charlierat (klaasend)

    23. Carpe Noctem on March 26th, 2007 9:58 pm

      The trolls were poked with a stick!

      http://tinyurl.com/qq2nz

    24. mayan_moons on March 26th, 2007 10:00 pm

      lol yeah they had to pass you again on the way out, you guys being there made ATA hit a brick wall and after spending all that money too friend!

    25. Pali druif on March 26th, 2007 10:01 pm

      I personally think that the “protest” was a total faliure…5 people is very little and there was no news coverage at all about the protest…

      On the other hand the AHATA /ATA people did a good job in promoting Aruba and showing Boston that Aruba is a peaceful, prosperous and friendly island.

    26. Carpe Noctem on March 26th, 2007 10:06 pm

      hey pali dufus, is a riot!

      He should open
      for Celine Dion
      in VEGAS.

      you shook me all night long.

    27. mayan_moons on March 26th, 2007 10:06 pm

      Hey Ratface boy….#8 didn’t even say that idiot!

    28. mayan_moons on March 26th, 2007 10:07 pm

      ahhh ok then lol

    29. Roy on March 26th, 2007 10:10 pm

      I’ll just say I’m glad that you guy’s got to exercise your rights as Americans and iffn you feel your efforts were positive and helpful in any manner, then I applaud your commitment to Natalee and her cause. Sounds like you guys are on a real high. “Justice For Natalee”

    30. Carpe Noctem on March 26th, 2007 10:12 pm

      That’s the price they
      let suspected rapist/murderer/bifron
      PAULUS “I Stick My Feet In Concrete For Fun”
      of of the ditch – VAN DER SLOOT

      -PAY-

      That ARUBA suffers. Stop whining about
      it. It ain’t pretty.

      It is like watching
      Howard K. Stern cry!

    31. mayan_moons on March 26th, 2007 10:14 pm

      lol Carpe!

    32. mayan_moons on March 26th, 2007 10:25 pm

      Ya know Roy….sometimes i want to scream in frustration and sometimes i laugh but i/we are always thinking about Natalee. She is the victim here charlie not you nor Aruba.

    33. mayan_moons on March 26th, 2007 10:29 pm

      We’re not going to abandon Natalee and if the shoe were on your foot i’d hope, i’m sure that you would do the same for one of you’re own.

    34. San on March 26th, 2007 10:33 pm

      #14 charlierat.

      If Aruba is doing “Just Fine” why aren’t you living there practicing law. With all the drug dealers and murderers I’m sure you can find a job.

      You say you are from Aruba but only have been back once since your childhood. Even the rats stay away from Aruba.

    35. mayan_moons on March 26th, 2007 10:37 pm

      Wouldn’t You?

    36. Roy on March 26th, 2007 10:40 pm

      I know Mayan…I see you here everyday. That takes committment of the likes I’ve seen from very few. I feel exactly like you….Sometimes I laugh, sometimes I wanna throw a brick at the people in here….Nothing personal but 90% of the time, it’s you. But then I have to remind myself that people probably feel the same about me. We are different, no doubt about that….that makes neither of us bad people….We do share one extremely worthy common goal however…..Natalee….How to achieve that minus our personal differences is a tough row to hoe but I believe we will.

    37. buster on March 26th, 2007 10:42 pm

      charlierat it has been said befor that people are protesting to put pressure on your crappy little island’s government
      BUT you being a troll with the companying brain will never understand that. But the good monkeys on this site will keep reminding you in hopes that it will sink into your head.
      The boston 5 are nothing less than Saints for what they did !!! Aruba will always suffer with this thorn in it’s side until it festers out of control.

    38. hotshot on March 26th, 2007 10:43 pm

      To #22 Charlierat. You ask how is this going to help Natalee? No how is this going to help the arubans. The REAL Arubans. We actually got confirmed over the week-end of what we thought all along. YOU people are afraid of your own Government, right from the mouth of the arubans! So, why not get the corruptness out of your own country? Get a backbone, and scoot them out, then people wont be afraid to go to aruba. It will be a safer place. Things like this wont happen anymore, and cover-ups wont either if you have REAL people who run your little island. The Vander Sloots did this whole thing to your island, and you guys are just letting them go on, staying there, and doing nothing. Paulus just got a ramming by his superior, but is still in his position. No-one there has a backbone to make things better for the future, and THATS what needs to be done. No, it is not going to bring Natalee back, but, it can only be of help to the everyday Joe that lives there, and needs to support his family. I guess you obviously don’t run a hotel, or own a business there to see the hit Aruba is taking, so unless you know what your talking about, buttttt OUTTTTTT

    39. San on March 26th, 2007 10:49 pm

      #22 Charlierat

      You want to talk about it all being unbridled, vigilante vengence against innocent people that’s exactly what Aruba did to Beth when she went looking for her daughter and that’s a fact.

      How about some of the funds the Aruba Tourism Authority gave to the Van der Sloot family to help pay for their psycho son’s defense attorneys. Oh yes Aruba has to protect their perverts and rapists on that island.

    40. Elaine on March 26th, 2007 10:53 pm

      Hmmm, Charlie Rat must be earning Browine points for every post that he gets onto here.10 points= a free trip back to Aruba for him. Hurry up Charlie, they need you to hold them up over there, as they sink!

    41. buckeye on March 26th, 2007 11:06 pm

      More reports from the Aruba bulletin board about crime problems in Aruba.

      http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?p=503301&highlight=#503301

      Kododo
      Senior

      Joined: 24 Nov 2002
      Posts: 130

      Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:25 pm Post subject:
      ——————————————————————————–

      I could go into ‘great details’, but will be re-labelled AGAIN as an Aruba bashing aruban….
      In past posting I warned against the “rose colored glasses”, only to get rediculed….The Island is no longer safe, as many remembers the past.
      If only every victimized tourist would post their experience(not being shamefull), and if the ‘local’ papers were printed in English, then the ‘shades of Jamaica’ will shine thru.
      Crime is high, and ever increasing in violence on the island !!!!!!!!!!!!!

      ryusam
      Senior

      Joined: 12 May 2004
      Posts: 126

      Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:03 am Post subject:

      ——————————————————————————–

      Kododo, sorry to say but I’d have to agree with you unfortunetly. This incident at these villas is but the tip of the iceberg. I know I’m going to get criticized for saying this bit so be it. I also agree with alot of other posters, crime can happen anywhere and does. But when I’m going on vacation I don t want to be looking over my shoulder all the time to be the next victim, and spending 3 k a week for it. I can do it at home for 3 k less.. With the money we’re all spending in Aruba these days to go on vacation the last thing we want is to be a victim of a crime. But it happens every day of the week to tourists and locals alike. I also agree, if all who have heard of, or been a witness too, or even a victim, we could add another section to this bulletin board. Why some on here continue to sugar coat it, its is amazing to me. 90% of us who post on this board are just vacationers, pure and simple. Who happen to love this once very simple Island. Those days are gone. Make now doubt about it. All this has happened for a hundred reasons, no need to bring up every little pet complaint, or tit for tat crime storys on here. If you’ve been going there for a while like us, “23 years”, theres no need to explain it to you. You should know whats going on!!! If you don t, and don ‘t wanna find out, or don t care, and wanna walk around with your head up someplace, good luck with your sunny days at the beach attitude, you just might end up on the daily police journal like so many hundred others have!!! And yes before any of ya ask, I’ve been a victim also!!!
      http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=188&start=380

    42. VAmom on March 26th, 2007 11:20 pm

      charlierat is no more aruban than my granddaugher is japanese just because she was born there. my son was stationed in Japan with the air force and Charlies Dad was working at the oil refinery in Aruba. He wants everyone to believe he is a lawyer, but if he is, he must have fewer clients than Paul van der Sloot. After all, he is on the message boards day and night. Maybe that is why he can’t afford to travel to Aruba more that once in 30 years. Hey Charley, maybe if you did some work once in a while, you could go back more often.

    43. mayan_moons on March 26th, 2007 11:30 pm

      90% at me aye Roy? Ha Ha Well i’ll just wear that as a badge of honor then! One day…..one way or another we need to bring Natalee home.

    44. Carpe Noctem on March 26th, 2007 11:31 pm

      OMG-

      Now here’s a sentence, carefully constructed, & fully fortified for maximum impact.

      …….

      “Paulus just got a ramming by his superior, but is still in his position.”

      :lol:

      I am not worthy…
      Rock on, hotshot!!!
      I love you, mannn.

      Take it to the hoop, sistah.

    45. San on March 26th, 2007 11:34 pm

      #42 VAmom

      I guess he wants everyone to believe he was a lawyer just like Paulus Van der Sloot wanted everyone to believe he was a judge. Two peas in a pod and both are losers. One a failed judge and another a failed lawyer. Hey I hear they are starting a new law firm called Rat and Sloot.

    46. mishy on March 26th, 2007 11:38 pm

      #22 Charlie Rat….

      Put. the. bong. down!!!!!!!

      You know nothing about which you speak. Not one thing…

    47. Carpe Noctem on March 26th, 2007 11:45 pm

      ARUBA…

      COME DANCE WITH US!

      We helped Joran Van der sloot.
      the uncaptured Aruban Rapist / Murderer…

      kill Natalee Ann Holloway & walk
      away scot-free on blue Racquet Club slippers
      to the Wyndham. Oh no wait, the Aruba Grant,
      oh s&$it… no… wait a minute,

      THE RADISSON? oh farts… forget it

      Come back dear Americans,
      we want to take your money
      and murder you as well WITH NO
      COURT CASE for those responsible.

      COME DANCE IN ARUBA! (no thanks) -J4N

      >>my frog

      http://tinyurl.com/yvsaq4

    48. diverboy on March 27th, 2007 12:03 am

      “Paulus just got a ramming by his superior, but is still in his position.”

      Which position might that be? The bent over position? From the color changes he was experiencing must have been a sphincter factor of 9.8. Wish they would have had a picture of that. Poor Sloot…after ALL the time he and his spent looking for Natalee thats the thanks he gets.

    49. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 12:03 am

      #44 lmao Carpe thats just tooo funny

    50. Roy on March 27th, 2007 12:11 am

      USA Today 8-26
      –Satish and Deepak Kalpoe were arrested on suspicion of involvement, with unidentified “OTHER PEOPLE” in premeditated murder and rape, Aruba’s prosecutor’s office said in a statement.
      To arrest them again, “there had to be new facts and circumstances. That is the case,”the statement said. Authorities declined to disclose any other details of the new evidence.
      No information was disclosed about a third man who authorities said was arrested Friday WITH the kalpoes.

    51. Molly on March 27th, 2007 12:17 am

      Thanks again, Boston 5. Surely appreciate your effort. I’m glad that all you got from the Arubans was a dirty look. People will never forget that you were there.

      Justice for Natalee

      molly (in Houston)

    52. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 12:18 am

      Thats what i want to know…what was the basis for the rearrest’s of the brothers and Freddy??

    53. Jasmine on March 27th, 2007 12:23 am

      I say Hooray for the Boston 5! You guys did a great job and I am very proud of you. It’s very interesting that the Arubans told you they fear their government. That confirms what we all have suspected.

      Aruba has underestimated Americans. We will not give up until there is justice for Natalee. It’s simple, Aruba – No Natalee, No Tourists. J4N

    54. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 12:29 am

      I’m proud of you guys too! Words can never say enough…thank you!

    55. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 12:40 am

      #50

      Mister Roy “poops you not” on that…

      He’s 100 percent correct.

      Here’s my screen cap – the link is visible
      in the address bar if u wann peruse the article
      further. -J4N

      http://tinyurl.com/yo8oet

    56. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 12:42 am
    57. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 12:42 am

      Anybody know why the Kalpuke’s were arrested the second time? And Freddy too? I heard the news that they had been takin in but the hurricane hit before i found out why and the day or two after the storm they released every one of them.

      WHY?

    58. Roy on March 27th, 2007 12:59 am

      What locks my eyes into the USA and especially the CNN reports is the repeated reference to “OTHER PEOPLE” and “PREMEDITATION”…. This was information from Aruba’s own prosecutor’s office. If that was their mindset and I believe it to have been a correct one, the arrest of GVC months later seems to have been one that falls perfectly in alignment with that investigative track….Especially with all we now know about GVC….so how did Aruba let it get off track…..
      CNN… They (Kalpoes) are suspected of the “PRIMARY” criminal act of together with “OTHER PEOPLE” committing “PREMEDITATED” murder, alternately together with “OTHER PEOPLE” murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody, the statement said.
      …Those aren’t off the cuff remarks….No prosecutor makes claims like that without significant evidence to go to trial…even iffn they felt they may need more.
      I’m not criticizing Aruba’s judicial system as I know not what they will do or what they have done these past 18 months….But the talk of an accident by prominent members of their judicial system and some of their socialites has me a little worried….Rammstein asks; What would you have Aruba do? Since the decision is not ours, the better question is, What WILL Aruba do?

    59. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 1:48 am

      You darn right the brothers were the primary perps along with Jurine coz they are the ones who drugged her, led her to their car and NEVER brought her back to her friends. I think the others that were arrested at different points in time participated in raping Natalee and possibly witnessed Natalee’s death.

    60. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 1:53 am

      I must say again seeing Paul talking with Natalee makes me believe he raped her too and if HE DID it is not a stretch to think some other old guys were in on it.

      They treated Natalee like an inanimate object, not a person. How dare they do her like that. Did any of them have daughters? Geoffry has a sister.

    61. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 2:03 am

      When they arrested them i was relieved thinking Okay finally….they mean business and won’t stand for letting the perp’s define their island. That they really meant what they’d been conveying…..that they cared about Natalee and all tourists and would do what was needed to be done.

    62. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 2:13 am

      >>Treating ‘em like a blow up doll.

      It’s the Aruban Way. Head on down

      the “Sunset Grill” …and meanwhile,

      have another beer…


      Kalpoes have a sister…

      I’d love to know how they’d react if she got ambushed and gang’d. I doubt they’d just let it slide.

      Clint Van Zandt
      MSNBC analyst & former FBI profiler
      INTERVIEWS DEEPAK KALPOE

      snip

      Continuing with Deepak, I said, “September 4th is a big day in this case. Joran either gets held for another 30 days or he’s set free. If he’s released is this case over?” “No,” he quickly replied, “it will never be over — Beth [Natalee's mother] will never let it be over, and the prosecutor is under pressure to do something in this case. It may not look like things are being done, but under the surface they are.” (“I hope you are right,” I said silently to myself.)

      “Would your mother let this go if you were Natalee?” I said.

      >>”No,” he replied, and I thought, “and neither would I.”

      Updated: 11:31 a.m. PT Aug 23, 2005

      http://tinyurl.com/2ak8yr

    63. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 2:39 am

      I know all of us women here on this board appreciate the men here who are outraged that Natalee or any female has been treated the way these punks did. REAL MEN protect young ladies in their company whether they know them or not and wouldn’t stand for it in their presence.

    64. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 2:42 am

      Sunset Grill (one of my favourite songs)

    65. Richard on March 27th, 2007 7:27 am

      One of the trolls above says we got no news coverage. That is factually incorrect; we had a few TV interviews, and on Sunday I was told by passersby that they saw me on Fox News (the local one). Mention was also made of the 6 pm and 11 pm local news coverage.

      I’d rather not speculate on how I looked or sounded on the Fox News interview, but that’s not the issue. The trolls posting here are factually wrong. I don’t think any of the Arubans were asked to comment on anything … except by the several people who went up to their booth and said that they would never be going to Aruba.

      And, of course, they said nothing then either.

      By the way, yesterday I spoke on the phone with the Massachusetts branch of the American Civil Liberties Union.
      They, like us (we participants, I mean), couldn’t understand why wearing a T-shirt with Natalee’s picture on it could be banned. They’re going to be doing some research on that and get back to me … they’ve had their battles with the Massachusetts Port Authority before, I gather.

      They said that state money was used to build the convention center, so the argument that it’s private property doesn’t hold water in their eyes. We’ll see.

      Anyway, I didn’t hear from anyone who had a warm spot in their heart for Aruba … except from a few Arubans. In fact, Observer told me that he was inside and heard one guy tell the white (Dutch?) woman with the Aruban delegation, who seemed hostile to us, about the money he’d lost on Aruba somehow. Her answer was something like, “You get what you pay for,” and turned away. The guy was incensed at her rudeness.

      Par for the course, I guess.

    66. vicki on March 27th, 2007 8:22 am

      Great job on the picture with the Monkeys in the LIERUBA booth.We should have that picture made on Tshirts. My heart swells everytime I see the Boston 5 at this show. God bless you all. I know that in their hearts Beth and Dave are so grateful. You know the “RAT” pretends to care about LIERUBA but has only been back once in 20yrs. hahahahhahahaahahaha. Great work guys.

    67. Patti on March 27th, 2007 8:34 am

      The Boston Five:

      You guys look so cute in the pictures. It makes me happy
      to see that there are still people that use their rights
      afforded them in this great country of ours to picket and
      protest what they feel is unfair….

      and

      have such a good time doing it!

      There is no doubt that Beth and
      Natalee was with you in spirit.
      We were all with you.
      Let’s do it again.

      Justice for Natalee

    68. SUPER DAVE on March 27th, 2007 8:56 am

      #5: what you will probably see is a spike in the rats like you that your island already has. tourists like white bread with their meals. where are you going to get that ? i hope your ata bought a lot of sunbeam while they were in Boston.

    69. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 9:03 am

      Talk about haters, I knew it was a matter of time that Charlie would attack the Holloways and Twittys, That’s pretty much what goes on where he posts.

      Hate site, well that would be where you, Charlie and your likes, post and bash and defame and slander Natalee, her mother, father and any one else in Natalee’s family.

    70. buster on March 27th, 2007 9:13 am

      #60 Makes me wonder it they had there way with her even after she had died.

    71. SUPER DAVE on March 27th, 2007 9:24 am

      #25: THE EFFECT WILL BE ENORMOUS. WHETHER 5 OR 500, THE WORD IS OUT AND THE INTEREST WAS THERE. YOUR ATA WAS SO ASHAMED THAT THEY COULD NOT EVEN LOOK THESE PEOPLE IN THE EYE. IT BROUGHT YOU GUYS OUT IN FORCE DIDN’T IT ? WHEN YOU STIR UP A RAT’S NEST THEY BEGIN TO SQIURM .

    72. charlierat on March 27th, 2007 9:25 am

      #68, you have not seen me attacking the Holloways or the Twittys here or anywhere else. Mind you, I will criticize them when I disagree with them but I have never attacked them.

      Unlike people here that openly post lies about Aruba and those that support the lovely island (like for instance, people that post lies about me).

    73. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 9:38 am

      Hey Charlie, what does this mean?

      CNN Saturday, June 11, 2005 Posted: 12:26 AM EDT (0426 GMT)

      ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) — One of three young suspects arrested Thursday in the investigation into the disappearance of an Alabama teenager has confessed to her murder, a senior police official said late Friday.

      The suspect has agreed to lead police to the body of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, the police official said.

      Police did not say which of the three confessed.

      The three have been identified as brothers Satish Kalpoe, 18, and Depak Kalpoe, 21, and their friend, 17-year-old Joran Van Der Sloot, the son of a judge.

      The three, taken into custody early Thursday, were the last people to have reported seeing the missing woman.

      Police said Van Der Sloot met Holloway May 29 at the casino in the Holiday Inn where she was staying. The Mountain Brook, Alabama, resident was in Aruba with classmates celebrating their high school graduation.

      Later that night, Holloway went to a popular nightclub, Carlos ‘N Charlie’s, with about 40 of her classmates. She left around 1:30 a.m. on May 30 with the Kalpoes and Van Der Sloot, authorities said.

      Holly Brown, a Holloway friend who was at the club that night, said she found Van Der Sloot to be “very different.”

      “He lied about his age, and when we went on the [Carlos 'N Charlie's] Web site, we found pictures of him there one week before at the same place, wearing the same clothes,” Brown told CNN.

      Excerpt. Story follows at CNN

    74. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 9:42 am

      Missing in ArubaSuspect Now Admits Lying to Police
      ORANJESTAD, ARUBA-June 26, 2005 – As the mystery of a missing Alabama honors student drags on, questions abound about Aruban authorities’ handling of the Dutch Caribbean island’s highest-profile case in decades.

      Why were the young men last seen with 18-year-old Natalee Holloway left free for days after she disappeared May 30, the last day of a five-day high school graduation trip with 124 other students?
      Why did police wait 16 days after she went missing before searching the home of the Dutch youth who was flirting with her? Why did Aruban officials ask the FBI to send divers, who came to the island but never searched its waters?

      Criminal experts say these apparent mishaps could make it harder for Aruban investigators to crack the case and may ultimately prevent the Holloway family from ever knowing what happened.

      Attorney General Caren Janssen refused to comment on the criticism, saying only: “I can’t comment on the investigation until it’s over. Investigators must be allowed to do their jobs.”

      Joran van der Sloot, 17, and Surinamese brothers Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18, were the last ones seen with Holloway, an honors student from Mountain Brook, Ala. Her passport and packed bags were found in her room.

      After a night of eating, drinking and dancing at Carlos’ N’ Charlie’s restaurant, the three men told police they took Holloway to a northern beach before dropping her off at her hotel around 2 a.m.

      The three were questioned soon after she disappeared but were not arrested until June 9. At the time, Janssen cited “tactical reasons” and there was speculation authorities hoped the freed young men might lead them to a clue.

      That was an error, according to Joseph Pollini, a criminal justice professor at John Jay College in New York, where he spent 33 years as a homicide detective.

      “Once released, it’s problematic because somebody surely coached them,” he said. “A lawyer wouldn’t be worth his weight in salt if he didn’t tell them simply not to say anything.”

      Pollini doubted any confession was now possible.

      Instead, authorities arrested two former hotel security guards, apparently because the young men told police they had last seen Holloway in the parking lot of her hotel, being approached by a black security guard.

      The guards, both black, were released a week later, and one, Antonius “Mickey” John, said that while in jail one of the brothers told him they had never taken Holloway back to her hotel but had dropped her off with van der Sloot at a beach neighboring the Marriott Hotel.

      Investigators led a massive and fruitless search of Malmok beach June 14.

      Only the following day, 16 days after Holloway went missing, did investigators search the van der Sloot house, seizing two vehicles, computers and cameras.

      “They should have immediately done a forensic sweep of van der Sloot’s house, his car, his clothing, and done the same with the Surinamese boys,” said Ron Watson, a retired Alabama police chief who runs a crime scene reconstruction business. “You’ve got 48 hours after a disappearance, after that you are in the red zone and may never find the person.”

      Police did not interrogate the Dutch suspect’s father, Paul van der Sloot, until June 17. In a surprise move, they arrested him Thursday.

      A court appearance for the father, a judge-in-training on the island, was postponed from Saturday to Sunday because the judge was unable to make it to Aruba from nearby Curacao.

      Also Saturday, a defense lawyer confirmed that Satish Kalpoe admitted lying to police when he told them that he, his brother and his Dutch friend dropped Holloway off alone at her hotel on the night she disappeared.

      Satish now claims that he and his 21-year-old brother, Deepak, dropped Holloway and 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot off together at the Marriott hotel, then went home.

      He lied initially “to help his friends, but said at a certain moment, ‘I can’t help you anymore,”‘ his lawyer, David Kock, told The Associated Press. He did not elaborate.

      Authorities also have arrested a 26-year-old party boat disc jockey, Steve Gregory Croes.

      Nobody has been charged in the case.

      Beth Holloway Twitty, the missing girl’s mother, has said the younger van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers know more than they are saying. She also said before the elder van der Sloot’s arrest that she might suspect authorities were protecting the son because of his father’s standing as a high-ranking judicial official.

      Aruban authorities have defended their handling of the case, saying meticulous police work takes time.

      “You have to build up an investigation. You can’t just go in there like a cowboy,” Janssen said last week when asked why investigators waited more than two weeks to search the van der Sloot home.

      There also are questions about efforts to find Holloway.

      Aruban police, Dutch marines, seven FBI agents and thousands of tourists and locals have done island-wide searches that proved fruitless. Aruban authorities also appealed for the FBI to send expert divers. The U.S. agency sent two search-and-rescue divers, but they never got in the water.

      “They never had any information like: she could be in this place or that area,” FBI spokeswoman Judy Orihuela said. “That target would have come from the investigation of Aruban authorities because we can’t investigate in a foreign country.”

      The decision not to dive was “bizarre,” said Joe Huston, a rescue diver with Dickinson-based Texas EquuSearch. The volunteer group began a new search in Aruba on Saturday that included divers and sonar equipment.

      “If her body was put in the ocean, there’s a good chance now she’ll never be found,” Huston said.

      The director of Texas EquuSearch, Tim Miller, said searchers were focusing on “five or six areas of interest” on land, but declined to be more specific.

      (Copyright 2005 by the Associated Press. All rights reserved.)

      There’s that word “Cowboy” hmmm….

    75. 10061906 on March 27th, 2007 9:47 am

      Richard:
      I’m sure Natalee is looking down and smiling in appreciation for your and your associates efforts in Boston.
      Thank you from where I am.

    76. 10061906 on March 27th, 2007 9:50 am

      Klaasend:
      Why are some posters’ names highlighted while others are not?

      _____________________

      SM: Not positive but I think it’s when you add website link when you sign up to post (klaasend)

    77. charlierat on March 27th, 2007 9:59 am

      Hey, Miss-Underestimated:

      I don’t know. What does it mean to you?

      Did you miss my earlier post on Sunday evening where I stated that I am not capable of solving the case on an internet message board? Maybe you also missed my post where I stated that I am not trying to acquit J2K – maybe they did “it” (whatever “it” is) or maybe they didn’t. At least I entertain the possibility that they might not be guilty.

    78. vicki on March 27th, 2007 9:59 am

      1906- Im glad you are back!!!!!

    79. Gary on March 27th, 2007 10:03 am

      Oh, wow, five people protesting. Hahahahahhaha. Maybe five people will boycott Aruba?

    80. yoyo muffintop on March 27th, 2007 10:05 am

      Just one entrance to the show was a prayer answered as everyone that attended had to pass by staunch Natalee supporters!

      I Can Not Be More Pleased!~

      Comment by mayan_moons | March 26, 2007, 9:09 pm

      Carpe/mayan/Miss-U – you 3, the most prolific posters, should be ashamed and embarrassed. What hypocrisy. You 3 want justice so bad – can you make that happen from behind a keyboard?? Thousands invited, only 3 from SM bothered to show up. 3 – unbelievable.
      I guess the prayer that more than 5 people would show up went unanswered.

    81. jen3560 on March 27th, 2007 10:19 am

      Congrats to the Boston 5!!!!! What a wonderful, selfless, respectable thing you did! My hat’s off to you folks.

      In reading thru all the comments here trying to detract from your accomplishment, and delude themselves further with their own blind, baseless words, I am left to wonder……

      WHAT are THEY doing to help this family get the answers they need about their missing child?

      BOYCOTT ARUBA!!

    82. Roy on March 27th, 2007 10:22 am

      MISS-U….. Talk about the hate thing. you got some serious horns popping out there. No one’s talked about the family in any bad way….And why does it seem you are trying to pre-empt it….If someone get’s talked about in a negative manner, let it be for their actions, not their relations.

    83. San on March 27th, 2007 10:29 am

      #72 Charlierat

      You are a liar. You are always in attack mode when it comes to the Hollow/Twittys. Stop your bullshit. You and that other idiot Medleyrelay.

      Oh I forgot you are from Aruba and you love to attack people especially your innocent girls when they are no longer here to defend themselves from monsters like you.

      You are just as bad as the murdering Van der Sloots.

    84. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 10:31 am

      Yoyo…I am honored you acknowledged me in the same group with Mayan and Carpe.

      If I were in proximity to attend Boston, I would have. But as you can tell, Richard, Hotshot, Observer, J4N and her husband did a stellar job, so good that is has brought out many pro and con to come here and post or spew.

      You my friend dissing…me may want to go to Aruba and help with the economic situation down there, being the ardent supporter that you are or you can just send cash.

      Charlie…. are you the same charlierat that is an attorney in Alabama?

    85. SL-Gloria on March 27th, 2007 10:31 am

      To Observer, Richard, HotShot, J4N…just out of curiosity:

      - How large was the public attendance at the trade show?

      - Who was the target audience? The individual traveler or the travel trade from Boston/New England?

    86. SL-Gloria on March 27th, 2007 10:32 am

      Hey Roy..how have you been?

    87. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 10:34 am

      Roy of course this implys nothing, huh.

      “If you [people that want to see harm come to Aruba]actually want to assist in solving the case, how about insisting that some of the donations that have been received by the NH trust fund be used to aide the effort instead of funding speaking engagements around the country?”

      _________________

      SM: I wasn’t aware you had inside information regarding the accounting of the NH Trust? How do you know what the NH Trust money is being used for? You are FOS Charlierat (klaasend)

    88. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 10:54 am

      We need to continue to point out…

      For instance, the 10,20,30,40… recorded lies from

      the murdering, gang-raping Van der sloot family.

      Those have CLEARY be

      catalogued.

      Black & White, no shades of grey there…

      You can see where Joran lied, Paulus lied, and Anita
      lied. No “IN BETWEENS”

      Why do people who are supposed to be innocent
      continue to lie there buns off to try and escape
      murder & rape charges? SIMPLE – BECAUSE JORAN DID IT,
      KALPOES WERE INVOLVED or things would have fallen apart
      by now. Freddy was in it up to his shmingus too!

      Where are Freddy Z’s statements? When did that Aruban
      hack Gerold Dompig interview Freddy? Where are the
      docs? I don’t see ‘em

      Why are Satish’s statements so few and far between?

      I feel like the questioning & interrogations on that
      POS Satish were WAY TOO LIGHT. What’s up with that?

      NO MORE KILL ZONE…
      Friends don’t let friends go to
      Aruba!

      Boycott.

    89. Roy on March 27th, 2007 11:02 am

      Miss-U…. I am thinking along more personal lines. I have no clue about anything related to the NH Trust Fund but I do not see it as a personal attack on Beth or Dave… With all the would-be friends and impersonators from early on, I admit there might be some curiosity on some people’s part as to how some of those funds got dispersed. What the heck, I say satisfy all doubters….give no one any excuses.
      Gloria…Hi, long time no see. Hope you’ve been doing well.

    90. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 11:02 am

      Good going, Richard. The Boston
      trip was perfect! You did us proud.

      http://tinyurl.com/ynw4lj

    91. San on March 27th, 2007 11:05 am

      #84 Miss-Underestimated

      Yes he is the same Lawyer and not a good one.

      This is where Charlie is from:

      http://www.city-data.com/city/Bessemer-Alabama.html

    92. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 11:20 am

      I wouldn’t be surprised if DO BRO MUFFINSQUAT

      wasn’t related, or working for the two Kalpoes

      murderer/rapists of Oranjestad Pimp Squad.

      He loves that word “UNBELIEVABLE.” Enough

      with the BS already! Your own FATHER???

      — Miss U – You’ve always been TOPS in my ‘BOEK’ ;-)

    93. Patti on March 27th, 2007 11:20 am

      Charlie Rat:

      The reason for the boycott is because there is no justice in Aruba. The island of Aruba is so corrupt that the meer knowledge of its’ corruption gets you a get out of jail free card.

      That’s what the boycott is about…

      You care about your island? Change it! What have you done lately? Have you ever stood up for anything or is your whole purpose in life to simply try to stop those that do?

      This is America. If we don’t like something, we have the right to demonstrate. You say that your country is a democracy?… then, use it. Make it work for you.

      Whether there are 5 or 500 makes no difference. All it takes is one, with a heart and the bravery that it takes to stand up and effect change. You want to criticize the efforts of, meerly, five people? Let’s see how it takes only those five people to disrupt the tourism going to Aruba.

      Good always prevails over bad…

      You want to call it hate?

      I call it love.

      More love than you can stand.

      Boycott!

    94. arubalies on March 27th, 2007 11:23 am

      it’s interesting that charlierat posts on the BBAruba board that he met with Charles Croes during his visit to Aruba and tells him thank you for the favor? what was the favor?

    95. San on March 27th, 2007 11:25 am

      Hey Charlierat you POS remember this letter you wrote.

      http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=46610#46610

    96. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 11:26 am

      Roy

      What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
      You cannot have a set of rules for some that do not apply to all.

      We all know now that there was never a search to the VDS primary residence, one that Anita claimed took her camera.
      We could go on and on with the lies and miss-truths that have come from this investigation, including but not limited to Mr. Dompig, what did his son Michael say, that Mr. Dompig changed his statement from guilty to Natalee OD’d? We could all go on with the intentional misinformation that has come from the Aruban LE, but as you say satisfy the doubters on both sides?

      I also say satisfy the doubters. Joran said he would tell what happened later? This, if Charlie is still here, is in itself an admission that he did not tell the truth or is withholding information. What is the Aruban LE waiting for?
      Karin Jaansen said they could pursue a Murder without a body, I will add, a body that Paules VDS knew was a corpse. Level the playing field, apply all rules to everyone.

    97. charlierat on March 27th, 2007 11:29 am

      Great! Aruba looks forward to Patti’s “tough love.” We know it’s for our own good. You guys certainly know what’s in our best interest far better than we ever could.

      Now, Patti, tell me how any of this tough love will help solve the case? (Remember the case?)

    98. Patti on March 27th, 2007 11:30 am

      And… now you say you want an accounting of the funds
      collected by Beth Holloway under her not-for-profit
      foundation?

      You’re soft spot is showing…

      This is all about money and tourism to you.

      For us: It’s about educating the people of the dangers
      that exist on islands like Aruba. It’s about traveling
      from University to University to get the message out:

      AMERICANS ARE NOT SAFE IN COUNTRIES THAT
      DON’T PROSECUTE THEIR CRIMINALS. (period)

      .

    99. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 11:33 am

      Remember Beth was told to shut up or else ALE would stop working on the case?

      How bout Dave Holloway digging in the Aruban garbage dumps, looking for his daughter, while Aruban put more garbage on top of where he was digging?

      Dave told to go have a beer and wait?

    100. San on March 27th, 2007 11:33 am

      Hey Charlierat remember this persons response to your letter. :)

      http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=48330#48330

    101. Roy on March 27th, 2007 11:34 am

      The Murdering-Gang-raping Van Der Sloot family…. You make it sound like their version of a Picnic.
      —What are they lying about? Particularly Anita? Most of the things I’ve heard her credited for were barely eligible for serious discussion. How about this:
      — Beth said the Van Der Sloots invited her into their home when she was handing out prayer cards in their neighborhood. Twitty refused to give details about their 90 minute discussion.
      I (Beth) think I walked away with the confirmation that we still have “SOME INDIVIDUALS” that we need to pursue, she said.
      ….Would that be the source of Anita’s lies that you refer. Beth seems to have believed it if not given it serious consideration.
      —-How about when Joran called Jug aside that first night.. The talk of sexual exploitation irt Natalee seems somehow out of context…. Just what did and what are the Van Der Sloots telling the Holloways and Twitty’s about what happened to Natalee…. I can take a good look at the Shango riddle and guess or I can use my own intuition… but I do not have to guess that the VDS’s have not gone to jail.

    102. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 11:35 am

      Since there is a possiblity that new ppl will be coming here to read about Natalee, maybe Red, Tom and Klass could post the statements again from the perps.

    103. Molly on March 27th, 2007 11:42 am

      #74 Miss U: I live in Houston where one of the biggest rodeos is held each year. However, most of the people in Houston/Texas are NOT cowboys. Big mistake by Arubans to think that we are all cowboys. We don’t all ride bulls and bust through fences. Nothing wrong with that profession, but it’s not the only way of doing things, even amongst cowboys.

      Aruba: Never underestimate Texans, Americans, Monkeys, or the Boston 5!!

      molly (in Houston)

    104. Observer on March 27th, 2007 11:45 am

      To Observer, Richard, HotShot, J4N…just out of curiosity:

      - How large was the public attendance at the trade show?

      - Who was the target audience? The individual traveler or the travel trade from Boston/New England?

      Comment by SL-Gloria | March 27, 2007, 10:31 am

      They said they had a good turnout..9,000-10,000
      Friday was for the travel agents and sat and sunday was for the general public

    105. Dayhiker on March 27th, 2007 11:47 am

      From day one this case has been about nothing but DENIAL. The Van Der Sloots DENIED the truth their son commited a heinous crime and started a cover-up to save their son from inevitible punishment. Van Der Straten DENIED justice for a missing and murdered tourist in favor of his friendship with his good friend Paulus. Nelson Oduber DENIED justice because he couldn’t bear the thought of a murdered American tourist on his stinking island. The Dutch judges DENIED justice for a friend they had worked with and had social relations with.

      Why wouldn’t a person boycott such a place where justice is DENIED to the innocent victims of their criminals? Who wants to get trapped on an island like Aruba where nobody cares about a victim?

    106. Molly on March 27th, 2007 11:49 am

      BOSTON 5: In Congress they consider one phone call to represent 1,000 people. The five (5) of you represented at least that many people who want J4N. Thank you for all your time and effort.

      molly (in Houston)

    107. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 11:56 am

      Roy

      Anita described Natalee’s undergarments, how did she know and why did she know?

    108. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 12:00 pm

      “Would that be the source of Anita’s lies that you refer.”

      JUNE 23, 2005

      ANITA

      on the Greta Van Sustren Show.

      “In only tell Joran to tell the truth. If we talk about
      the case, I can leave”

      JUNE 24, 2005 JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

      On June 24th 2005, at approximately 10.00 hours, we, the reporting officers, went to the correctional facility Aruba to pick up suspect “Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT” to be questioned.

      There we, the reporting officers, were informed by the watch-commander on duty of the KIA that the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT refused to go with us.

      The suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT talked to us subsequently, and informed us that he did not want to go with us to the police station in Oranjestad to make a statement.

      The suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT gave us as a reason:

      - he would only go with us, the reporting officers if is father was released;

      - that his mother and his lawyer had advised him on behalf of his father to not make any more statements and to invoke his right to not make statements;

      - that he would receive a message from his father’s lawyer when he should make statements;

      - that according to his lawyer, if he would stop making statements, his father would be released in two days;

      - that he listens to his families advise;

      - that the lawyers “Antonio CARLO” and “OOMEN” are good friends of his father

      - that these two lawyers out of friendship with is father would defend them

      - that he know that if he would make a statement he could bring his father into trouble

      - that his father suffers from bad memory and that because of that his and his fathers statements would not correspond

      - that his father even can’t remember what kind of clothes he himself wore the day before

      - that his lawyer had said that the police arrested his father because according to the police his father had picked him up in the late night hours of May 30th 2005 at McDonalds

      - that he wished the police would leave his friends and family alone/stop bothering his family and friends

      - that he would only answer new questions asked by investigators

      - that his lawyer had advised him only to make statements in his presence

      - that his lawyer had started a lawsuit so that he would only make a statement with the lawyer present

      - that he wouldn’t come with us today because his mother would be visiting him at 14.00 hours that day

      - that if he gets a visit from his mother he would discuss making another statement with her

      - that only if his father, by way of his lawyer would say he should make a statement he would do so

      - that he was waiting for the statement of his father and after that make another statement.

      Of this, we, the reporting officers, on our oath of office, have made this proces-verbaal, closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 24th 2005.


      She’s a lying pig. She’s the reason why at least 2 murdering, raping, corpse movers are free… when they should be jailed. Anita could use some jail time.
      She could try racing Joran to read the Bible. LOL -j4n

    109. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 12:06 pm

      Anita also lied her bazoons off about
      the search on the Van der Sloot rape
      hide out.

      The Interview is on the web. I believe FOX NEWS.

      Anita is a lying sow. She is an awful, AWFUL HUMAN BEING.

    110. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 12:09 pm

      Molly,

      I have no problem with the word cowboys…..but I think Karin used it much like her wanting to know if Beth was related to Hitler.

    111. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 12:18 pm

      - that his father suffers from bad memory and that because of that his and his fathers statements would not correspond

      Funny…Pauless did remember how much money he left Joran at the Poker table.

    112. San on March 27th, 2007 12:35 pm

      #109 Carpe.

      Anita isn’t human. She is a monster just like her son and husband. How does a mother go in to detail of what her son did to Natalee when Beth went to her house. In fact Greta said she wanted to crawl under the table she was so embarrassed. THIS IS A FACT SO THERE IS NO DENYING SHE SAID THOSE THINGS.

      AND THE REASON WHY SHE WOULD KNOW THESE THINGS IS BECAUSE NATALEE WAS AT THE SLOOT DUMP AND ANITA WAS COLLECTING ALL THER CLOTHES.

    113. Dayhiker on March 27th, 2007 12:36 pm

      Molly and Miss-U, then Karin should have described herself as a “cowboy” busting into the security guards’ homes and ransacking them at 6:30 am. Ironic a search warrant was not even acted upon at the Van Der Sloot home until four days after Joran was arrested and limited to his small apartment. The Dutch have their own cowboys and KJ is one of them. Hypocrites!

    114. Patti on March 27th, 2007 12:40 pm

      Charlie Rat ~ #97:

      You’re wrong about me. I am not the one who is beating
      your people with a stick…. Besides, there is nothing
      tough about love.

    115. John Staton on March 27th, 2007 12:55 pm

      If it were not so tragic, the ignorance of Aruba would be amusing. Do they not realize that their market is now reduced to one small geographical area? And it is only the Working Class of that area. The dream of economic growth fueled by aiming at the more affluent is more than dead. Yes, there is some low level of economic activity that Aruba can sustain, but would anyone want to invest in that? Even this reduced market will be under attack from many sides. The economic cost to Aruba due to what happened and how they handled it (cover up) is the greatest blow to their self interest that can be imagined. These fools and what ever money if left to them will soon be parted.

    116. SL-Gloria on March 27th, 2007 12:59 pm

      #104, Observer:

      Thanks…I guess the show had a fairly good turnout.

    117. vicki on March 27th, 2007 1:00 pm

      You know, these trolls come on here and try and get us to repeat ourselves, like they are stupid[well they are] but thats besides the point.Forget them. That PIG charlierat…what a lowlife. He is worse than kelmel….what is wrong with ppl that strike out at a victim.
      I dont give a rats behind what Beth did… she was grieving. Do you think she was in her right mind, worried sick about her daughter, running from tip to tip that were just plain SPIN. LIERUBA does everyone on SATANS Island LIE.
      You filth make me want to PUKE.

    118. yoyo muffintop on March 27th, 2007 1:02 pm

      Capt Insomnia – you didn’t show up in Boston. Time to stop putting j4n at the end of your posts.

      Patti – you had a chance to “educate”, but you didn’t show up in Boston. “All it takes is one, with a heart and the bravery that it takes to stand up and effect change. You want to criticize the efforts of, meerly, five people?” Never criticized the 5 that backed up their words, just those that did not and do not. Kudos to them, shame on you.

    119. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 1:04 pm

      Dayhiker

      It’s a shame we don’t see the ppl of Aruba standing up to defend these wrongly accused men.

    120. Roy on March 27th, 2007 1:14 pm

      #108…In all that, where’s the lies worthy of demonizing a person. Maybe I need a thicker set of glasses.
      Miss U: The undergarment story was told to Beth, right? And I speculate at their 90 minute meeting at their home…The meeting that both sides refused to give details about. The story is not being told with details provided by either side…… but someone is taking it upon themselves to discredit Anita’s story without it even being heard. How fair and balanced is that? I would venture these are the VDS statements that have them labled liars and gang-raping murderers….and ironically, the statements that keep them out of jail.

    121. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 1:15 pm

      My vote for post of the morning goes to # 105 Dayhiker

      -

      Quote of the morning goes to John S. @ 115

      “Yes, there is some low level of economic activity that Aruba can sustain, but would anyone want to invest in that?”

      True, so true. :-)

      ———–
      ———–

      ARUBAN VALOR OR LACK OF IT

      Common links in the case of Natalee Holloway.

      You all remember MAX DEVRIES right?

      http://tinyurl.com/3cwuhq

      He is the little boy that vanished on Aruba on 5/12/2004. Roughly one year before Natalee.

      You all remember this Dirty Cop?

      http://tinyurl.com/ypuoqq

      http://tinyurl.com/2cr8jw

      PAUL B. SEUTE

      Paul B. Seute is also involved in the case of Max.

      Who else is involved in both cases?

      Police Assistant Inspector Jules Sambo. (No Picture Available.)

      “We don’t have any indication as to if she is alive,” Sambo said. “The whole population is aware that she is missing. The police are doing everything to find her.”

      Other’s involved in Max’s case.

      Adolf Cruz from Search and Rescue – 297 – 962 – 1380

      V.D. Stuater. (Appears to be a cop, phone number – 297 – 587 – 0009 Polis Station.)

      Debra Bolten – U.S. Council.

      Mr. Vera – Hotel Security.

      Beach Patrol – 297 – 586 – 3003

      It has been almost 3 years since Max became a CRIME VICTIM on Aruba. He was first a VICTIM of his assailant then a VICTIM of the Aruban Law Enforcement.

      To date, Yvonne DeVries has not received the final paper work detailing the final conclusion the Aruban Authorities have reached in his case. Ms. DeVries has also not received any correspondence from any US entity.

      That does not bode well for those of us waiting for the two year statue to expire in Natalee’s case and the remaining documents to be released.

      According to Ms. DeVries, there was never any investigation.

      Photos of Paul B. Seute courtesy of Grande.

      Posted by Zoltan at 8:47 AM 0 comments

      -reposted

    122. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 1:23 pm

      The Holloways weren’t the first
      to lose a loved one to the
      “Aruban Sickness”

      IMO It has been going on
      forever.

      You know now.

      That will be the Natalee Holloway Legacy.

      She let you know…

      …just HOW EXTREMELY SICK THEY ARE down there.

      Please don’t forget that. -J4N
      Boycott Aruba!

    123. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 1:33 pm

      Roy

      I am searching thru my stuff and the net for the statement of Anita’s with Greta.

      Oh BTW Anita claimed her camera was taken during a search of her home. We know that her home was not searched.
      Joran room/apt was but not the primary residence.

    124. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 1:34 pm

      Roy what is Aruba doing for the demonized security guards?

    125. vicki on March 27th, 2007 1:36 pm

      Carpe, is this fellow paul also MR. Pink or is Mr. Pink…our very own gretamal??? Do you know?#120- Whats up with Roy??? URINE stated about the flowers on Natalees panties. Are you out of your mind, ROY?? ANITA and the rest of the lowlifes hiding the TRUTH can just drop dead in my mind. Filthy slime buckets. Same as the Kalpukes Mother. HOW DO YOU DISCUSS A MISSING GIRLS panties. PERVERTS… all of you SNAKES that support jpk2

      ______________

      SM:   This Paul is a member of ALE and not the same person as Paul Brough/Mr. Pink (klaasend)

    126. slogmonster on March 27th, 2007 1:42 pm

      Charlierat is a poster at one of those anti/Twitty anti/Holloway sites so I think we all can guess why he’s here…

      it must be a good day to take a troll.

      Yeah, I know, bad pun intended.

    127. vicki on March 27th, 2007 1:47 pm

      125[Klaas] so is Mr Pink kelmel/gretamal/johnnm?

      ___________________

      SM: I suppose it’s possible, but I highly doubt it (klaasend)

    128. Patti on March 27th, 2007 1:51 pm

      Hey Yo Yo!

      How is it possible that a little boy’s body is found,
      buried at the same spot that Joran takes the police to
      recover Natalee? Doesn’t that seem a little strange to
      you? Remember their story? He was an illegal from
      Columbia that disappeared a year before… his body was
      never claimed by his family. Remember?

      Hmmmmmm…

      Doesn’t it seem odd that a family would report a little boy
      missing, but not retrieve his body? What did they do…
      Force the family to return to Columbia and drop it at that?
      Isn’t it the police’s responsibility to notify the family
      once a missing person is found? I wonder how many crimes
      go unreported because people fear reprisal?

      Or:

      Was there, ever, really a missing boy from Columbia?

    129. charlierat on March 27th, 2007 2:00 pm

      Actually, slog, I don’t post at “anti” anything sites. I post at pro-Aruba sites.

    130. Patti on March 27th, 2007 2:02 pm

      This is bad, but when I read some of the things that happen
      on Aruba, it makes me wonder if the tales of the Crypt is
      not based on them.

      What else was in that crypt?

      A mattress?

      Dogs?

      Maybe even a boy from Columbia….

      Boycott Aruba!
      (They let their Dutch psychopaths run free)

    131. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 2:09 pm

      Roy
      Money keeps alot of ppl out of jail, more so if there is/was a huge tourism industry behind them or a massive cover up and influential ppl and sons involved.

      BTW, I only know one attorney who believed these perps are innocent. Guess who?

      When you talk about demonizing Anita, I suggest you check where you post mostly, I don’t think I have to make it personal.

    132. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 2:10 pm

      I’ll add one more thing then I will be away for a bit.

      An attorney crying that Joran knows what happened to Natalee?

    133. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 2:26 pm

      Roy:
      When you talk about demonizing Anita, I suggest you check where you post mostly, I don’t think I have to make it personal.

      I thought that too, Roy. Until I proved it to myself
      beyond a reasonable doubt that she is a lying, shameless,
      piglet… that kept her two cancerous rapist/murderers
      from going to the KIA to give BUBBA some dirty lovin’.

      She is a hoser, a fraud, and a HACK!

      …and furthmore, I suspect uncontrollable flatulence! I’ve
      heard “some things.” -More Later

      J4N

    134. charlierat on March 27th, 2007 2:32 pm

      You guys crack me up! Your creative writing skills are really good! Of course, everything you’re saying about Aruba is pure fiction. The island is not over-run with crime and/or corruption and the local population is not living in fear of their tyrannical government. Honestly, where do you get that stuff? From Jossy Mansur?

      Aruba is a peaceful, stable, pro-American democracy with a high standard of living and a wonderful, welcoming culture that makes it an ideal vacation destination for hundreds of thousands of guests every year.

      I look forward to many first-time visitors from New England!

      _________

      SM: Your writings actually border on childish.

      Maybe if you could comprehend the concept of low and high hanging fruit, you may actually learn something.

      There is no such thing in the tourism industry as 0%. Hell, there is no such thing as 40 or 50% either. if that were the case, there would be no tourism in that location. Low hanging fruit is simple to attain. The only thing easier is that which falls off the tree and is already on the ground.

      Tourism, like many businesses are based on gaining the fruit on the higher branches. That is what creates a profit and what makes yearly increases. This is where Aruba fails for obvious reasons. Tourist locations have to battle other areas with such things and trends, over-saturation, weather changes, acts of God, among many other things.

      Having the stigma of Natalee Holloway gone missing and crime covered up is just the icing on the cake. The last thing any island destination wants is for people to take a look as to what really goes on there whether it be Aruba, Jamaica or anywhere. However … that is Aruba’s plight.

      Then there is another facet that vacation spots must consider, when they become an also-ran. I have dealt with W’s if not W’s of people discussing vacation destinations. I do not say who I am or even make negative comments toward Aruba. To a person … nearly 70% say they would not go and that they would tell their friends not to go for a couple of reasons:

      1. “That’s that place that girl went missing, I would never go there”
      2. Aruba? Please … their best days are behind them
      3. Aruba, Noah … the cool new place is the Dominican Republic
      4. Nope … Aruba, would not go, however, Costa Rico … now there’s a destination.

      Aruba had its own tourism battles that they were going to have to face that they neglected for years just thinking people would always come. The Natalee incident was just fuel to the fire. The face of Arabian tourism for so many is the disappearance of a teen girl from AL. And those people talk to their friends.

      Aruba will always have people that go there, duh, that is a no brainer. The masses, however, nope … not going to happen. There are too many other places that are just as nice, if not much better to go.

      Competition can be a real bitch.

      R

    135. Patti on March 27th, 2007 2:40 pm

      Roy:

      Here is the most disturbing statement that
      Anita Van der Sloot made, in my opinion:

      ________________

      June 23, 2005 – Anita van der Sloot says on MSNBC:

      “My thoughts are with Natalee. I know she is alive. She’s
      somewhere. She’s alive. And I should have brought her to
      a responsible adult. That I blame myself and I will blame
      my whole life.”
      ________________

      Makes you wonder how much she, really, knows… or was
      this all a part of her motherly “duties”?

      ________________

      SM:   Patti – this was cleared up a couple days ago.   Anitia is actually quoting Joran, she is not saying it. (klaasend)

    136. Roy on March 27th, 2007 2:43 pm

      Where I post mostly…..Lady, check your numbers… It’s posted over there….I have about 80 or so posts to my credit there…give or take a few….over the course of about 6 weeks….I’ve got hundreds here, over the course of about 16-17 months.
      BTW….Blackmail is much more effective at keeping people out of jail….Do you want part of the story or all of it? Make your jokes and I’ll laugh with you all day…I don’t mind being the butt of your jokes either. I do not mind beating around the bush, as a matter of fact, it’s probably in everyone’s best interest….but lay off questioning my integrity please….I’ve done nothing or said nothing to offend you or any of your cheerleaders. Nor do I want to.

    137. San on March 27th, 2007 2:44 pm

      #129 charlierat

      Actually, slog, I don’t post at “anti” anything sites. I post at pro-Aruba sites.

      =============================

      Once again Charlie you are a liar. You post at a site that attacks Natalee and her family end of story. LIAR.

    138. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 2:46 pm
    139. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 3:11 pm

      Roy

      Don’t be so defensive. You claimed we are demonizing Anita, what I am saying ,9and I am not saying that you are, but where you post0…over there ….demonize Beth, Dave and Natalee.

      You are not the butt of my jokes. I don’t beat around the bush…I suggest before you flame you read my posts. You came here on the attack this morning claiming to check my horns, I think you are attacking me. but…I have no problem with that…it’s part of life….

      I am not questioning anyone integrity but those that I do question, ALE, Anita, Paulus, Smid, King, etc.
      I get the feeling that you are looking for an argument today?

      Calling others cheerleaders is insulting.

    140. Observer on March 27th, 2007 3:17 pm

      Roy,

      Your right.. I am sure blackmail is part of the coverup.. Who does Paulus and the other Fathers have the dirt on?? Rudy Croes??Oduber??

    141. Richard on March 27th, 2007 3:38 pm

      I can say only that in all the three days, I heard almost no positive comments about Aruba.

      It might interest people to know that we had three handouts:

      1. A “Why we’re here” paper explaining why the Boston Globe
      travel show was an important place to protest. Boston and New England are key markets for Aruban tourism, and U.S. tourism accounts for 80% of Aruba’s economy.

      If your daughter were missing in a foreign country, would you want help? And if all you got from it were lies ….

      2. CharlieRat, in his amiable way, is telling us up above about how Aruba is a no-crime paradise. The second handout included items from various media sources, many on Aruba:

      –the gang-raped high school girl who had to leave the island, with no arrests made;
      –the guy in the cave, burned, head, arms and legs cut off; two months later, Aruba said he died of a drug overdose;
      –an American on the beach who was approached by a police imposter demanding a fine, only to tell her that if she performed a sexual act, he’d let her off. (She didn’t.)
      –A Boston woman who was kidnapped and raped from the Carlos ‘n’ Charlies parking lot, screamed her head off, and got no help at all.
      –A family who were robbed and knew their friends were robbed, and who tried to post the information on the Aruba tourism Web sites, only to see it erased.

      And a lot more … but who needs all the examples?

      3. The third handout was courtesy of Dan, whose Web site shows that for all its claims, Aruba actually is one of the most EXPENSIVE sites in the Caribbean. (Hey, tourists, maybe you don’t think stuff happens to you … but at least you know you’re getting screwed financially on Aruba.)

      Our supply of handouts was exhausted by the time we left, and had we taken a more aggressive approach at the outset it probably would have been gone earlier.

    142. charlierat on March 27th, 2007 3:47 pm

      You’re funny, Red! “Low and high hanging fruit!” Stop, you’re slaying me!

      Seriously, though, none of that changes (or even addresses) the fact that all the hateful things people have been saying on this front page about Aruba are complete fiction.

      Aruba is still what it always was: a peaceful, stable, pro-American democracy with a high standard of living and a wonderful, welcoming culture that makes it the perfect vacation destination for hundreds of thousands of guests every year.

      And furthermore, it is truthiness, plain and simple, to describe Aruba’s tourist economy as in any trouble at all. Hotels are full, repeat visitors are still coming back and new visitors are adding themselves to the ranks of the Aruba-holics. The only real danger here is over-popularity (and resultant over-development) but I say, we’ll take our chances on that one.

      ___________________

      SM:   :)   :)   What is this “we’ll take our chances on that one”?   You don’t live in Aruba and have only recently visited after over 20 years.   So now you are an expert? (klaasend)

    143. Roy on March 27th, 2007 4:02 pm

      –Miss– I apologize for the horn remarks but as for BFN, I like the board, I see it as another venue for Natalee’s cause, plus they have a real good set up that enables simultaneous discussions—As for it’s content and posters, I see very little difference from here. My opinions are the same whether I’m here or there as are so many that traverse back and forth seeking constructive discussion. I’m not looking for an argument, Many, not all, of my opinions differ from mainstream thought and those differences only give that impression…. Calling people trolls, J2K supporters, and like it or not, (cheerleading) is what appears offensive and argumentative to me… Take Rats; yes the guys objectives are clear and obvious, but I still wanna hear what he has to say….Why gang up on him to the point that he leaves frustrated….I know, I’m a fine one to talk….I dogged Arubansee, Linda, and Crioyo on this board so hard till I got what I asked for…now I realize the importance of some of the words they spoke, even if I was to still be in disagreement with them.

    144. Richard on March 27th, 2007 4:12 pm

      CharlieRat (#142) labels Aruba a “peaceful, stable, pro-American democracy.”

      North Korea labels itself a people’s paradise.

      Lies are lies.

    145. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 4:16 pm

      Roy
      Apology taken, I apologize for anything that may have been a direct insult.

      As for Charlie, He has come here to cause a distraction from the real cause here, Natalee.

      BBL

    146. Richard on March 27th, 2007 4:55 pm

      You are right, Miss U. Evidently the demonstration has fluttered the dovecotes, so to speak, on the Aruba side.

      I’m thinking of sending the photos to the Aruba Tourism Authority … after all, they do want to see how effective their advertising campaign is, don’t they?

      Shouldn’t we assist Aruba by providing evidence of what the American public thinks of them?

      It is claimed above that Aruba is pro-America. Yes, in the same way that a pilot fish is well disposed to a shark (I believe that a pilot fish darts in and out of the shark’s mouth and picks its food from what remains there).

      Or, more accurately and vividly, Aruba is pro-America to the degree that a leech is fond of the host from which it sucks blood, possibly transmitting disease in return.

    147. yoyo muffintop on March 27th, 2007 5:04 pm

      Patti – “Whether there are 5 or 500 makes no difference.”

      You don’t really believe that do you? Or does stating that make you feel better about your own lack of “action”? Keep typing away while others do the work.

      ________________

      SM:   Those that went did a great job, 500 may have been too intimidating.     Those that went either lived close to Boston or had the time and money available to make the trip.   IMO the 5 who went made a huge impact.   (klaasend)  

    148. Roy on March 27th, 2007 5:09 pm

      Richard: Who and where do you see a “dovecoat”?

    149. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 5:18 pm

      Hey Richard!

      Excellent Analysis of the situation! Couldn’t be better. We know we won’t change the minds of Aruban’s and we are NOT trying to do that, its pointless. What we can and are doing is reminding people (vacations) of what they already know, that Aruba is underhanded, untruthful and unsafe!

    150. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 5:24 pm

      Aruba is not used to being challenged, especially face to face and they can’t handle it. They’re jumping out of their skin thinking of the ramifications of a face to face at ALL the venue’s in the US!

      Again…..Great Job Richard!~

    151. Patti on March 27th, 2007 5:34 pm

      Yo Yo!

      I guess it just wasn’t meant to be. I was asked to attend
      long before it ever became an issue on this board, but, it
      was evident that I couldn’t go. I wish I would have… but
      even more than that I wish I COULD have.

      But, you know me, I try to look at the possitive side and I
      suppose that it just wasn’t meant for me to go… besides,
      the ones that DID go, did such a wonderful job that I’m
      certain that it would not have made any difference whether
      I was there or not.

      God moves mountains…

      He chose five of us to do the job…

      and in this case, they did a helk of a job!

      You can’t argue with that… or can you?

    152. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 5:57 pm

      Speaking of picking low hanging fruit…

      Where are THE GUIDO WEVER ALE statements??? What’s up
      that?

      I think they need to pick faster!

      “damnnnn” :shock: -Barney Fife

      BOYCOTT!

      (A-Rube-Uh)

    153. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 6:07 pm

      http://tinyurl.com/3afwv9

      Serial lying, fraud, hack Anita
      Van der sloot’s spiritual message
      for today:

      Tues, March 27, 2007

      “Goddess see the blame, get the hurt” “The Sporter says he takes them in the mailing.” -j4n

    154. Patti on March 27th, 2007 6:07 pm

      Yo Yo!

      Why don’t you do something inspiring?

      Remember that post that you made on Martin Luther King day?
      That was the most awesome thing that I have ever witnessed
      you do. I know that there are times that we have disagreed
      and I’m sorry for that. I have my own opinions and so do
      you. That’s what makes the world go round. But there was a
      post that was attached to that video that was, probably, the
      most wonderful thing that I had ever read.

      Whether it’s to round up some stories, quote some sites, or
      just sit here and type; we all do what we can. I don’t need
      to impress you with my writing and it’s not done for only
      you. It’s for everyone… including me. None of us would
      be here if there weren’t some sort of personal satisfaction
      that we draw from it. As far as you know, I could be a
      handicap person, a beauty queen or a machine. You don’t
      know me. The personal questions you ask people sometimes,
      gets annoying… talking about why didn’t you do this, or
      that or the other… one thing that I have learned in my
      life’s struggle is that we all do what we can and at the end
      of the day, it’s all good.

      So, please, INISPIRE, if you can; and let your love and your
      kindness shine through.

    155. yoyo muffintop on March 27th, 2007 6:09 pm

      Size of crowds absolutely matters when it comes to a protest/demonstration. Remember that one of the purposes is to show off how many people came together for the cause. Not “in spirit”, but actually there. Most people will only see the protest/demonstration in photographs and news videos. 500 people outside would have been very very powerful with media flocking.
      5 – not so.

    156. Patti on March 27th, 2007 6:17 pm

      Well… that wasn’t inspiring at all.

    157. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 6:40 pm

      No 500 people outside
      demonstrating would
      have been a movie
      set with paid extras…

      like those effin sad twinks
      that showed up in Aruba to
      support Joran THE GANG-RAPING
      UNCAPTURED ARUBAN MURDERER

      (A Dutch weasel that wouldn’t be caught
      dead with those same people today)

      Great show of support for the dateraping Joran
      that showed it by attacking a mother who was simply
      trying to find what had been done
      with her child.

      ARUBA

      SADISM

      “Nobody does it better.”

    158. dennisintn on March 27th, 2007 6:42 pm

      the muffin’s just interested in everybody forgetting about natalee and letting aruba get away without prosecuting anybody for her disappearance. natalee was “just a little tourist girl” you know and aruba doesn’t think much of girls in general from the way they treat sexual crimes against women on the island. pariahs of the caribbean.
      dennisintn

    159. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 6:44 pm

      “I mean, if I were in their position and there was some kid that was with someone I loved last, I mean, and all this happened, he lied to the police, you name it, I mean, I’d be… I’d be pissed. I’d be… I’d probably go to that kid, and you know, I’m someone that I’d probably beat him up until he tells me everything he knows.” -JVDS

      FOX NEWS / GRETA Joran Interview
      03/2006

      —–

      Yep.

    160. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 6:51 pm

      “speaking of low hanging fruit…where’s Guido?”

      lmao Carpe~

    161. Maggie on March 27th, 2007 6:54 pm

      Why do you continually come here to put down any effort people make to get justice for Natalee? Don’t underestimate the power of one or a few people. We have seen time and time again good and bad through history, what the power of one or a few people can do. Thank God, for the 5 who went and all the work and time they spent.

      Instead you want us to believe a self confessed liar repeatedly, over 22 times, who was labeled a sociopath, when he says he left a girl on the beach. Nothing makes me sicker than to think of Natalee’s father digging through a dump while those 3 and the families were getting together making up more lies. The most critical hours of a person missing and they lied about her condition, where they took her, what they did to her, basically everything. Still people want to come here and try to make Natalee and her family the bad people in this story. Natalee was a paying tourist to Aruba who was a victim of crimes her last night in Aruba.. 2 years almost not one thing has changed the fact that Natalee was last seen leaving CnC with all 3, Not one person has came forward to see them at the beach or any evidence they were ever there, not one person has came forward to see Natalee alive since and not one of their stories match. Just because Natalee was left voiceless doesn’t make her any less a victim of crime.

      If Natalee’s story or 5 people showing up is so insignificant, they why come here to comment? I wasn’t in the court room with Mark Lunsford either for the murder trial of his daughter, but I was there in spirit 100% on his side. Time and time again we’ve heard Natalee is only one person.. anything to make it appear less significant what was done to her In Aruba.

    162. slogmonster on March 27th, 2007 6:57 pm

      Lol! Good one Patti. :)

    163. Patti on March 27th, 2007 7:23 pm

      _____________________

      To quote the great blues singer, Solomon Burke: “None of us are free if one of us is chained…”

      This message of Dr. Martin Luther King does not only apply here in the US, but everywhere in the world. We will never be free so long as there is a hungry AIDS stricken orphan, a sexually mutilated girl, a battered woman, a child sold into prostitution, a man climbing a fence to feed his family, a homeless man walking the streets, a soildier laying down to die, a raped child, a murdered spouse, anyone living in fear,…

      Chains know no color, no nationality, no religion, no sex, no bank account balance. Chains are what we put on the person we chose to hate, gossip about, deny an equal voice. We place chains on those we insult, threaten, & cheat. And in doing so we enslave ourselves as well. When one places chains on another, he holds the other end of the chain & ties himself to the commitment to hatred. We enslave ourselves to that life of hatred, the life of battle to hold on tight. We prevent ourselves from being free to learn, grow, and to know. Living in a house of hatred means we keep our doors locked against the hope of peace. As long as we kill there will always be war. As long as we hate we can never find love.

      The dream is ongoing. When can we awaken to it becoming a reality?
      _____________________

      Aaaah… Sweet Inspiration!

      Yo Yo!

      Martin Luther King was only 1 man.

      .

    164. Patti on March 27th, 2007 8:13 pm

      Maggie:

      High FIVE!

      (Cheerleader Style)

      .

      Boycott Aruba

    165. Richard on March 27th, 2007 8:53 pm

      We had a permit for up to eight people, no more.

      Judging from the desperation with which the pro-Arubans are speaking out, it seems that we five had quite an impact indeed.

    166. Richard on March 27th, 2007 8:56 pm

      I wonder, at the end, how many Arubans there were against Natalee.

      Hey, if it was us five against Aruba, that sounds about even.

    167. IndyDan on March 27th, 2007 9:01 pm

      I’ll try this sum:
      #158 Dennis – actually I don’t think the muffin really cares about anything. Her only reason is to get a goose out of someone here to make her feel like she’s worthy of something. She’s just found a place that will recognize her comments, probably something she didn’t get as a kid growing up.

    168. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 9:03 pm

      That is a great idea Richard. They might get the idea that the case for Natalee is not over or fogotten. You are all top notch, I am sure the Holloways and Twittys are proud and thankful for what you have done.

      Actually that could be a great post card, hey Aruba here’s what we think.

      LOL Carpe I like the one about the bra, too funny.
      Carpe did you ever have one of them glow in the dark yoyos?

    169. arubagirl on March 27th, 2007 9:06 pm

      #165, it had an impact on me because I expected a lot more. Of all the people who post here spewing hatred about Aruba and (some) Arubans, only five decided to actually do something? I admire you that you’re not angry about that.

      I am not afraid of my government. Not in the least. I am more afraid by the various crazies who post here about nuking Aruba etc. than I am afraid of that big bunch of fools calling themselves the government.

      Oh, and please “SUPERDAVE” we have white bread. But if you’re seriously looking for a recommendation, I’d say Kong Hing or Huchada! :-)

    170. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 9:06 pm

      Indy

      I’d have to agree,
      Children will take negative attention over no attention at all.

    171. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 9:18 pm

      Arubagirl

      How many Arubans came to the defense of the two security guards? Beth Holloway pressed on so these two would not be wrongly convicted. Why aren’t your ppl even 5 of you protesting? There doesn’t seem to be any blogs dedicated to their defense?

    172. IndyDan on March 27th, 2007 9:29 pm

      #170 – maybe abused but most likely just not loved. Only attention was negative attention. Not going to speculate beyond that except to say that she only seems interested in getting a knee jerk reaction out of someone. Taken to task, she bails. She also only seems to come out of her hole when there are other Trolls around. She doesn’t seem to have a lot of support, a lonely loner perhaps?

    173. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 9:29 pm

      “I am not afraid of my government. Not in the least. I am more afraid by the various crazies who post here about nuking Aruba etc. than I am afraid of that big bunch of fools calling themselves the government.”

      ..

      D******, go take some more pictures of twisted,
      frosted glass, please.

      >>Your photography work,
      beautiful!

      Your general disdain for
      Supporters Of Natalee,
      not so much!!!

      I don’t give a shit how many articles you translated.

      How can u “Rodney King” (as the say) some of the only troops that Natalee has left fighting for her?

      Your coward pock marked Mickey Mouse Dug-ass Government gave up on her long ago.

      When was the last offical Aruba Govt.
      Update?

      Yeah, me neither…
      Be sweet, tho!

      _________________

      SM:   edited by klaasend ;)

    174. Richard on March 27th, 2007 10:07 pm

      It’s no wonder that the Aruban trolls are lashing out:

      Think of it … who’s the most famous Aruban today?

      You got it: Joran van der Sloot.
      Closely followed, perhaps, by his Daddy of the ditch (you see, the Dutch language can indeed be expressive at times) and the Kalpoes.

      What a legacy.

    175. arubalies on March 27th, 2007 10:11 pm

      arubagirl since you only seem to respect action if we take up a collection to send charlie the rat to aruba permanently can you and your buddy stratten make sure he gets the big ride and stays forever? we’ll scratch your back if you scratch ours.

    176. San on March 27th, 2007 10:16 pm

      #169 Arubagirl

      Arubagirl what happened to Natalee I know you know.

    177. arubalies on March 27th, 2007 10:22 pm

      richard you are so right it is a deserving legacy for those who have kept their mouths shut about the truth like arubagirl heck she lives next door to stratten !

    178. Disgusted on March 27th, 2007 10:32 pm

      Looks like the 5 and there supporters did some pretty good damage. I cant wait to see what they accomplish the next time the ATA plans a big event in the U.S.

      It’s not to late to prosecute and to save your relationship with american tourism.

    179. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 10:42 pm

      were you there arubagirl?

    180. San on March 27th, 2007 11:04 pm

      179. mayan_moons.

      You see mayan_moons these are the questions that she won’t answer. If she does we will not get the truth. Fear is a factor in getting the truth out Aruba. It will take someone with courage.

      Here is another question that maybe she can answer.

      Arubagirl who was the neighbor directly in back of Joran’s apartment. Not the one with the monkey.

    181. Roy on March 27th, 2007 11:13 pm

      What’s up mod…you didn’t like that one…That’s Ok, I can see why….was just looking to address the hate and sarcasm seems to work best….OR did I flunk that math challenge again…It usually tells me.

      ________________

      SM:   Maybe it’s just me but you don’t sound like the same Roy that has been posting here.   Your last post added about as much to the conversation that this one does.   Nobody is forcing you to read here.   (klaasend)

    182. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 11:22 pm

      It ain’t just you, Klaas!!!

      I don’t think it’s the ol’ Roy
      we used to know either. This one
      has his straw in the kool-aid.

      http://tinyurl.com/fqsl9

      http://tinyurl.com/2f5ygt

      j4n

    183. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 11:29 pm

      Yes San….these are tough questions to answer but to run away from them speaks volumes, does it not?

    184. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 11:39 pm

      These clown coming here saying how hate filled we are are a piece of work. Aruba the hate you see is just your reflection.

    185. San on March 27th, 2007 11:41 pm

      183# mayan_moons

      Yes it does.

    186. postahchild on March 27th, 2007 11:42 pm

      Re: #59 Well, finally, it appears we might be on the verge of a break in the case. Take your evidence to the FBI, Mayan Moons, since I doubt you trust the Aruban authorities, and maybe we’ll finally get somewhere in the investigation.

    187. Roy on March 27th, 2007 11:45 pm

      I know Klaas…That was exactly my point. What conversation? Everyone with opposing opinions is getting bull-dozed right out of here…. and please, no way have my posts been as insulting as the majority of what you see in here. “Nobody is forcing you to read here”…. Sounds like an invitation to leave….If it’s OK with you, I’d like to stay…but not iffn I have to fall in line with the way everyone else acts and thinks…..It’s me…always has been.

    188. mayan_moons on March 28th, 2007 12:02 am

      what was it called earlier……oh yeah unbridled hate. oops Aruba lets it slip how they really feel about Americans. After watching what the family has been put through by these chumps not to even mention what Natalee went through is enough to make ya hate somebody. Namely the damn punks who took her and hurt her, but the Aruban people subjected and injected themselves into these showing a side of humanbeings i didn’t know existed.

    189. arubagirl on March 28th, 2007 12:04 am

      San are you insane or just delusional? My freaking address has been on this very board for months and you still say I live behind Joran?!!!? I’ve heard Americans aren’t very good in geography, but seriously, you’ve got to be kiddng, right?

      I’m not going to dignify any insinuations that I know what happened to Natalee. For God’s sake, go play with petunias if you’re going to think in that directly. I know just as much as you about this case.

      Oh, and btw, if I don’t answer, it’s because I’m watching DVDs, so please don’t try to make a big deal out of it.

    190. mayan_moons on March 28th, 2007 12:07 am

      Well…..i knew they existed but Aruba wants it both ways.
      They want our money & must little charm to lure us there but once there you’ll be lucky to leave with only a knife in your back.

    191. Roy on March 28th, 2007 12:08 am

      Thx…Two boards in one week would have been a little much. I’ll try to check my words.

    192. mayan_moons on March 28th, 2007 12:13 am

      Nothing we say here could even rise to the level of insulting compared to what the local guys did to Natalee, could it Roy?

    193. Carpe Noctem on March 28th, 2007 12:30 am

      AN ARUBAN BEER HOLDER

      http://tinyurl.com/2zbXkh

    194. Carpe Noctem on March 28th, 2007 12:41 am

      189 — “because I’m watching DVDs”

      Try one from the “BEING A BETTER PERSON” series.

    195. Roy on March 28th, 2007 12:52 am

      No Mayan…..Nothing compares to what “ALL” those boys did to Natalee.

    196. Molly on March 28th, 2007 12:57 am

      #110: MISS U: Oh, no, I know that you don’t have a problem with cowboys. It’s just ridiculous how Aruba and other countries think that everyone in the US is a cowboy. Not even everyone in Texas or in Houston is a cowboy. My son went to Europe to play soccer and he was asked if he had horses.!!

      molly (in Houston)

    197. Molly on March 28th, 2007 12:59 am

      Richard, just let us know when the next travel show is. Maybe it will be at the George R. Brown Center in Houston.

      Boycott Aruba

      molly (in Houston)

    198. Roy on March 28th, 2007 1:24 am

      Mayan: How’s this for insulting…..
      No reflection on the boycott intended but got online this past weekend to check into booking a reservation for Apr-May in Aruba….Most hotels had few spaces available…. Tourism numbers may be obscured but they don’t seem to be doing too bad……On top of that, these ATA people got Bacchus lobbying on behalf of Aruba….no doubt these corporations are int’l in nature so these lobbying efforts probably extend beyond the borders of Aruba… The good hard-working people of Aruba seem to have never been a consideration but the Fat-Cats get the luxury of double-dipping….That is insulting! Not to mention one heck of a little “Blackmail Scheme” they got going there.

    199. Disgusted on March 28th, 2007 2:33 am

      On the justice front, Aruba as a nation has just been caught in a lie. While Aruba has been reporting record tourism, they backtracked poorly when backed against a wall. Boycott Watch asks the question: If Aruba covered-up actual tourism numbers and claimed record tourism to the court of public opinion, did they also cover-up anything in their statements in the Natalee Holloway disappearance?
      http://www.boycottwatch.com/misc/aruba3.htm

      In an article by Boycott Watch President Fred Taub that was originally published by World Net Daily on June 15, 2006, ( here and here ) Boycott Watch broke the story that Aruba had lied about its tourism numbers in the face of a boycott related to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Aruba then backtracked in its reports to cover up the fact that tourism was down, not up as they originally reported. Aruba’s backtrack, however, was not enough

      Although one may have expected there to be an easing of the Aruba boycott or at least a leveling off, that has not happened. The boycott of Aruba related to the disappearance of Natalle Holloway and the way the Aruba government has handled the case is in full force, and the effects of the boycott are growing.
      http://www.boycottwatch.org/misc/aruba4.htm

      ATA Officials are also launching a training program called ”The Aruba Promise” for people involved in the tourism industry. Lopez said the training is designed to make sure tourism workers are in sync with Aruba’s tagline of ”One Happy Island.”

    200. Disgusted on March 28th, 2007 2:37 am

      Aruba tourism officials clearly overstated its tourism statistics, then failed to backtrack enough to match its own central bank’s reports. With many of Aruba’s statements regarding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway being questioned by her family, one has to wonder why Aruba would release any questionable numbers, yet that is exactly what Aruba appears to have done.

      http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50656

    201. mayan_moons on March 28th, 2007 2:59 am

      Hey….i can relate to hard working people being shortchanged at almost every turn and its not the fault of said hard working people. Alot of people have it ALL & don’t appreciate it and or use their lucky lot in life to belittle others and keep em down. They enjoy that and its wrong.

      Then we’ve got people like the Sloots who tried and appears managed to feed Aruba people things that just were not true to insulate themselves from the evil things they did. The Sloots are master manipulators and know which buttons to push. Its either that or Aruban’s always hated us anyway & couldn’t wait to show how much they hate us.

      But ya know what…..even after everythings thats gone down in the last two years, 1/we would protect arubagirl if we saw someone hurting them and we/i just don’t understand why wouldn’t aruba do the same for Natalee.

    202. Carpe Noctem on March 28th, 2007 3:17 am

      COME DANCE IN ARUBA, & GET YOUR TIRES
      SLASHED BY A CHOLLER & GET ATTACKED
      WITH A KNIFE!!!!

      ***

      ARUBAGIRL shares with us JUST HOW BEAUTIFUL
      Aruba really is. YOU GO GIRL! (nobody can tell us
      how wonderful Aruba is like you.)

      —excerpt from ArubaGirl Blog

      MARCH 24TH, 2007

      Issue

      In Aruba we have a lot of good things, but of course also some bad things. One of these are the problems of the homeless drug addicts, that we call ‘chollers’. These chollers beg, yell, fight and generally resist any help of the various local NA groups.

      Yesterday, a woman was offered by one of those chollers to wash her car. She refused. When she came back the tires of her car were slashed. She called the authorities, a complaint was filed, etc. She also told her husband what happened. The husband, a local businessman whose stores have been held up a number of times, went to look for the choller who he thought slashed his wife’s car.

      The husband found the choller, and apparently told the choller that he did a bad thing to a woman. (Chivalry isn’t completely dead in Aruba). The story goes that things rather went to pot from there, and the choller reached in his pocket. The businessman, thinking that he was going to be presented with a knife, took out his own handgun, for which he has a permit. The choller ran away into a nearby gym, and the businessman followed suit, gun waving. The gym owner didn’t appreciate the commotion, ordered them both outside and called the police.

      The police came and arrested both choller and businessman.

      The news caused a sizable consternation in the community because the businessman also got arrested. Many think that he had a reason to suspect that the choller was carrying a weapon, and was right in waving his own gun. He had a permit, after all, and it was for self protection. I agree with this. It caused even more of an uproar when he was again ordered to remain in custody today.

      I don’t think that the businessman should have pursued the choller into the gym. After all, the choller fled the scene and so there was not a case anymore of having to defend oneself.

      But.

      snip

      The businesss man protecting himself from a knife weilding
      “choller” (drug dealer) is in jail.

      …yet the murdering, serial lying, gang-rapist of ARUBA…

      KILLER OF NATALEE ANN HOLLOWAY —

      Joran Van der sloot continues to go jail free!!!!

      AMAZING. Thanks for sharing, ArubaGirl.

      COME DANCE IN ‘RUBA! >BURIED IN THE SAND DUNES.

      *Boycott*

    203. San on March 28th, 2007 6:15 am

      #189 Arubagirl

      Arubagirl, I am neither insane or just delusional. I did not say you lived behind Joran so go back and read my post. The question we were all wondering about was who lived in the house behind Joran’s.

      In one of the statements it was said a neighbor came out of the house and called to Joran and asked him to lower the radio because their baby was sleeping. Who was that neighbor. I don’t care where you live or what your address is because that is none of my business.

      You can say you know as much as me about the case and this is where we disagree. I believe you know a ton about this case. You have even said you have relatives in the police force. Basically cops talk and that’s a fact. You are a hometown girl and you are smart to the ways of Aruba.

      I believe if you don’t answer questions it is because you can’t. Let’s face facts here. One young lady can’t take her government on when there are so many people in power that are involved in what happened. It is like that everywhere. When I say involved in what happened I mean made the wrong decisions for Aruba and they can’t go back and change what they did.

      I will say you did do a lot for this case and provided certain information as best you could. You also have done translations when called upon. But even you have limits and know where not to go without getting yourself into deep.

    204. Richard on March 28th, 2007 6:33 am

      Roy, I can say that the Aruban hotel owner who came over to applaud us for appearing said that tourism is suffering, and has been for some time. So I’ll leave it at that.

      She also told me that the van der Sloots, and the Kalpoes to some degree, are practically ostracized on Aruba. But that may be due more to the tourist impact than to concern about Natalee.

      So I think I’ll email her and suggest she urge Arubans to speak up and demand action. That’s their responsibility if they want our business, as far as I’m concerned.

      If they don’t, then it’s a sign to Americans about how deep their concern is. And that’s a statement about how sincere their “friendship” is.

      Molly (198), I’ll get that info. After all, this is what we want: until there is a solution to Natalee’s case, ATA should be confronted everywhere it puts its hoofprints.

      We know that Aruba wants the case to go away and be forgotten (Natalee who?). Won’t happen … we won’t let it.

    205. arubagirl on March 28th, 2007 6:38 am

      #194: Please don’t tell me that you consider yourself morally superior to me. That’s quite funny.

      And, it was season two of the West Wing.

    206. Miss-Underestimated on March 28th, 2007 9:21 am

      Richard

      You really hit some nerves big time.

      196. Guess some ppl don’t get out much. LOL

      BTW if the haters happen to be reading today. If Beth Twitty is/was hell bent on just having anyone locked up for the murder of Natalee, she would have settled for the two security guards. If it weren’t for Beth, they two guards would have been tried for the murder of Natalee. We know Beth did more for the release two guards than Aruba did. Were are the proponents in Aruba to help these guards get restitution like Paulus was given.and then denied? Where are you up standing citizens of Aruba, they were gonna railroad these two guys and you all are silent?

      Yeah just what we know, no one in Aruba cares about wrongful, only $$$$$ for tourism and Paulus.

      Aruba give Natalee Holloway back to her family.

    207. Carpe Noctem on March 28th, 2007 9:22 am

      No, no, not at all.

      http://tinyurl.com/2cnvp7

      j4n

    208. arubalies on March 28th, 2007 9:31 am

      arubagirl you live in glass house. you have acted like you feel morally and intellectually superior for a long time and you are never funny. how is stratten these days?

    209. 10061906 on March 28th, 2007 9:34 am

      Posters!!!!! You are doing exactly what charlierat wants you to do..much like Amsterdam man.. Ignore the trolls, do not respond, eventually they will go away to some other site. Charlierat does not warrant the time spent to respond to any of his/her postings.

    210. 10061906 on March 28th, 2007 10:21 am

      How to connect everyone?
      Joran knows the K2′s.
      Joran knows Guido Wever
      Joran knows Koen
      Joran knows Freddie
      Koen knows Freddie
      Joran knows Michael Dompig
      Michael knows Geoffrey von Cromvoirt
      Michael knows Andreas
      Andreas knows Judy from C and C’s
      Judy knows Joran from C and C’s
      Paulus knows Guido Wever the dealer
      Paulus knows Karle Wever the Funeral Director
      Paulus knows PM Oduber and his son.
      Oduber’s son is in same organization as Karle Wever
      Paulus van der Sloot are friends of Jan van der Straaten
      Jan van der Straaten knows S. Croes Minister of Justice
      Van der Straaten is Joran’s God Father?.
      Van der Straaten knows Williem von Cromvoirt from police officers in Holland.
      Van der Straaten knows Dennis Jacobs who knows Gerald Dompig who in turn probably knows Geoffrey von Cromvoirt because of his son Michael.
      The K2′s are cousins to Gerald Dompig and probably know Michael Dompig who in turn knows Geoffrey who knows Andreas who knows Joran who knows Freddie who knows Keon who then probably knows Guido.
      If anyone of the above were involved with Natalee’s disappearance don’t you think the others would cover for each other?

      The question that bothers me is this; it has been stated that Freddie and Koen were at Joran’s apartment the night Natalee disappeared. Apparently they crashed there that night. So how would they feel if Joran, who was picked up by the K2′s, went to C and C’s, were able to kidnap a female tourist on her last night on Aruba and took her somewhere else and had sex with her and did not include Freddie and Koen OR ANY OF THE OTHER PIMPS FOR THAT MATTER.
      (Freddie takes the pictures and Koen was not permitted to be interviewed by the police and fled to Holland) What is wrong with this picture?

    211. Mohican on March 28th, 2007 10:27 am

      Aruba Aloe Balm to the US 

      (quote)
ORANJESTAD – With a kiosk in the Atrium shopping mall near Chestnut Hill in Boston and in the South Shore Plaza in Braintree, Massachusetts, Aruba Aloe Balm makes her first debut on the North-American market. The company has chosen for these shopping centers, because they attract many shoppers; together 27 million shoppers per year.
      
With the opening of the market in the United States, the wish of Aruba Aloe Balm’s management is fulfilled. The first kiosk will open in June 2007 and the one in Braintree opens in September of this year. The picture is an artistic impression of the sales outlet to be realized. (unquote)

      http://www.amigoe.com/english/ Tuesday March 27, 2007

    212. Roy on March 28th, 2007 11:14 am

      1906/#210……. I hear you but the way I understand it, Beth heard out of Paulus’s on trap that he picked Joran up at 4:00AM from McDonald’s…..How do you reconcile that?

    213. charlierat on March 28th, 2007 11:45 am

      10061906 is right; you are doing what I figured you would do. I won’t go so far as to say that I want you to do this but I figured it would turn out this way.

      Here’s a couple final thoughts from me and then I’ll stop commenting:

      (1) You all know me and I know all of you. We all know that none of us are going to change each other’s minds about anything. At least we can probably agree on that point.

      The ones you need to worry about are those people that do not know any of us. Those people that went to the show in Boston, who had heard of Natalee Holloway and Aruba but hadn’t paid much attention to the case since main stream media stopped reporting about it in June of 2005, those people who probably had a vague negative impression of Aruba as a result; those are the people that you are alienating right now.

      Those are the people that accepted the handouts and actually went to the Aruba booth to tell them that they would never go to Aruba. Those same people then went home and some of them probably checked out some of the websites mentioned on the handouts, including this one. Can you just imagine what they must think when they read about Aruba being compared to North Korea and read about beaches stacked up with dead bodies and sex slaves. (Yes, all of those outrageous claims were made on this front page by zealous monkeys.) You can’t be helping your cause very much by spewing unmitigated filth about Aruba that no one in their right mind will believe for even a second.

      (2) How’s the collection going to send me to Aruba forever? When you get the money raised, make sure to let Red, Tom or Klaas know. All three of them have my e-mail address. We can work out the transportation arrangements together. And, thank you, monkeys! I knew if I kept it up long enough that there would be someone willing to send me back to paradise!

    214. melanie on March 28th, 2007 11:58 am

      “After all, this is what we want: until there is a solution to Natalee’s case, ATA should be confronted everywhere it puts its hoofprints.”

      ATA is not the ALE . Dont you understand this simple thing Richard ?

    215. melanie on March 28th, 2007 11:59 am

      btw Richard , I am still waiting for your reply to the questions I asked you on the Houdini/Tacopina thread

    216. 10061906 on March 28th, 2007 12:02 pm

      Roy: Mickydee’s was not open at 4:00AM.
      Mcdonalds, St Ana Church, The ATM, the Police station are all within 8 blocks radius of the van der Sloots. Paulus used that as a diversion to detract away from the fact that Joran had Natalee at his apartment. Later Paulus change the statement to 11:00PM which made no sense and caused him to be arrested.
      Natalee was probably abused and her body had to disappear. Injuries would show which would not have occur if it were consensual sex.

      SM: Every time 0 + 0 comes up and you put 0 for the answer, it says you have failed the challenge and we lose all the data. ???

    217. melanie on March 28th, 2007 12:06 pm

      Richard , if you really want the “good” citizens of Aruba to “speak up” and “demand action” from their government on behalf of Natalee’s family and well wishers , calling for a boycott is the worse thing you can do . It only alienates the Aruba population from Natalee’s cause .

      Okay ?

    218. Richard on March 28th, 2007 12:09 pm

      Melanie, I’ll take a look. I did post one reply there.

    219. vicki on March 28th, 2007 12:11 pm

      214# are you th dumb wit here. ATA- ARUBA TOURISM ASSociation[pun intended] who cares about the key stone cops on SATANS ISLAND….Im sick of you STUPID TROLLS…
      PPL that come on this site are going to read about your STINKING RAPING LYING MURDERING PIECE OF SEWERAGE you call home.
      PITY YOU that you live in such a HELL HOLE.
      You all underestimate us AMERICANS and ppl with MORALS.
      GIVE US BACK NATALEE and I dont care what happens on the PATHETIC PLACE.
      IF YOU CANT DO THAT STFU.

    220. Richard on March 28th, 2007 12:13 pm

      Hey, folks, this news came in today.

      The Aruba Tourism Authority is going to have a booth at the Sheraton Miami Mart on April 28 and 29, I’m told. I imagine that will be the next U.S. event; at least, I don’t know of any others preceding it. Could be wrong, of course.

      Do we have any people in the Miami area? Please take the lead on this and carry forward our momentum from Boston.

      I’ll be glad to tell you what I thought worked in Boston, and what could have been done better. I’d never arranged any protest before this, so if I can do it, you can do. Ask Red or Tom to send me your email and I’ll reply asap.

      Let’s keep our movement going! Stand up for Natalee in Miami at the end of April!

    221. vicki on March 28th, 2007 12:28 pm

      Richard, you are the best..You are an Angel along with the rest that helped in Boston. “They” think that it was only 5, but we know better. I will be going to MIAMI and I will stand up for NATALEE and be her voice…

    222. JusticeforNatalee on March 28th, 2007 12:55 pm

      Melanie,

      You will have to take your boycott complaints to those who did
      “something bad” to Natalee and to those who later assisted or covered up.

      They are the reason for the boycott.

      No justice/No tourists

      It’s that simple.

    223. 10061906 on March 28th, 2007 12:58 pm

      Charlierat: Yes you are correct. My opinion will not change.
      I for one after reading all I have about this case my conclusion is:
      Natalee was either drunk or drugged when she got into Deepak’s taxicab with the globe on the dashboard. His car was in the back parking lot so no one else would hail his car as a cab. Natalee probably thought she was being taken back to the HI.
      She was taken to Joran’s apartment. He knew his father was at the casino and his mother and brothers were in Holland. They stopped and called the others who where at Joran’s to tell them they would soon be there with a girl.
      They picked Natalee out of revenge for spurning Geoffery and Joran’s advances on various occasions since Natalee first got there.
      Joran says she fell at the HI and hit her head which was probably half true.
      He says she wanted to go see the sharks. “Shark Fest” is pimp jargon for Gang bang. He has done this at least twenty times before and nothing has ever happened. Waiting there at Joran’s was at least Freddie and Koen by their own admission. So you have a minimum of five males against one drugged female.
      I feel that repeated doses of starter fluid rendered Natalee unconscious and caused her death from hypoxia.
      Joran described features that could only be known if Natalee were nude