Protest Aruba in Boston … A Summary from Richard, “We the People”.

If one ever thinks they can’t make a difference against the establishment, think again. The United States of America is founded on the right of “Freedom of Speech.” This is a concept that Aruba, its officials and the tourism authority learned over this past weekend. Even as our people protested to given Natalee a voice, people with this show tried to take away their right to protest. However, this is America, not Aruba. 


Arubans seem unwilling to stand up to their government who know deep down in their hearts that their government tourism officials messed up the Natalee Holloway investigation. A police investigation that can best be described as a joke. Here is a word of wisdom to the many hard working, honorable Aruban’s that have been affected by what their officials have inflicted upon them; people all over the world have stood up to their governments to do the right thing. In the US and abroad expressing one’s freedom of speech and rights is a noble endeavor. You to can speak out about your declining economy and why. If a individual can stand up to a tank and win, imagine what many could do?


Tiananmen Square protests in 1989

Armed only with the desire to do what was right, inform people of Aruba, its dangers and Natalee Holloway five people set out to take on what is the million dollar tourism industry at the Boston Globe Travel Show. Richard, Hotshot, Observer, J4N and her husband should all be commended for their efforts.


(Special sign made especially for Beth Twitty & Natalee)

Information is a tremendous weapon against those that who would hope to squelch it and keep people uninformed as to the truth. Imagine the money that Aruba spent in marketing for this travel show. Now imagine the publicity that the five Monkeys received by being on local Boston TV getting their word out and informing people as they entered the convention center. Think that did not leave a mark and infuriate many at the ATA? We had asked Richard to write some of his thoughts and experiences in Boston. The following is from Richard, in his own words:
Some blogs are interested in hearing about the vigil at the Boston Globe Travel Show Usof March 23-25, so here’s my report.  None of us knew what to expect (I had never organized a protest like this before), but we all agree that it was a positive event in pressuring Aruba Tourism Authority and in keeping Natalee’s case in the public eye.  Apparently some of the TV coverage was played (I was told that my “exclusive” interview with the local Fox News, exclusive only because the other four people weren’t around at the time, did get aired.)

I got there Friday morning, armed with handouts I’d written and had printed.  Friday was was for setting up exhibits, and was not open to the public.  But we thought it best to have a presence there for all three days.
I got there around 11 a.m.  At the entrance to the convention center was a rather Wtcunpleasant-looking man who seemed to be Aruban.  I told a policeman there who I was, and got a ”dirty look” from the Aruban, who went back inside.  Five minutes later, someone from the Boston Globe came out and asked to see my permit to protest.  I showed it to him, whereupon he shook his head and went back inside.
So it seems likely that the ATA knew we would be there and was on the alert. 
The police guy in charge of the event told me the rules … which mainly were, don’t block people going into the event and don’t block the sidewalk.  No affixing signs to anything; we could hold them, but not paste them on buildings or lam posts, etc. Fair enough.
One major disappointment was that we could NOT display our “Natalee T-shirts” inside the convention center.  We’d planned to do this as a silent way of making our point.  They all had Natalee’s picture on them; some had ‘Boycott Aruba’ slogans also, some didn’t.


I couldn’t see how this could be prohibited, and still don’t, but was told that it would be regarded as a demonstration inside the convention center, which was against the rules (the permit applied only to the outside), and that anyone who tried it would be in trouble.  (Since I was the coordinator, the police said, I’d be held responsible for keeping everyone in line.)
So we didn’t do it, disappointed though we were.  Our strategy then had to concentrate on the outside.  I held out handouts and just stood outside.   That afternoon, Kathy showed up with a big sign she’d had made saying “Justice for Natalee.”  That helped give some focus.
Also Friday, one Aruban hotel owner (from the U.S.) came over and was very supportive.  I won’t say much about her, because I promised her confidentiality and got the impression the ATA might come down on her.  But she gave me her card, and said she would be glad to give us any help or any info that she could, and that she basically strongly supported our doing what we were doing (although she said she didn’t think there was a cover-up).
She also said something interesting: according to her, the van der Sloots are practically ostracized on the island now. I don’t know if what she says is true, of course.  I think she might be a useful contact for the family.  She also told me that Aruban tourism has definitely taken a big hit.
Kathy left the sign, so for the rest of the day I held that up and gave out handouts.
On Saturday, there were five of us.  Ironically, our inability to do anything inside the building made us more effective on the outside.  There was only one entrance to the center, at least for public use, and Aruba’s big booth was very near the entrance.  So with our sign, people going in couldn’t miss us.    From time to time, the ATA people would come out and take a cigarette break.  They mostly tried to ignore us, but not offensively so.  The most obnoxious was a blond white lady (Dutch?) who seemed to imply that there was no difference between Aruba and what the U.S. does, etc.  Apparently she was very rude to some of the people who dropped by Aruba’s booth too.  But I think that once I saw the guy who had been out on the sidewalk when I arrived.  He refused to look at us in any way.
We had a few hundred handouts, and almost all of them were given out.  Many people who took them had at least a residual knowledge of the case  (e.g., “Who was Natalee?  Oh, right, I remember now … they still haven’t found her?”), and a lot of people remembered it clearly.  And most of the comments we got were supportive and agreeing.
Saturday afternoon, I had the good idea of asking people who took the handouts, “If you agree with us, please go tell the people at the Aruban booth.”  And evidently a fair number did.  One guy told me he talked to four people there, saying why he would never go to Aruba.  (Interestingly, some of us went in and tried to talk with the Aruban delegation.  At first, some of them evidently replied that their government was lousy.  I think later on they just told people that they weren’t supposed to comment on the case.)  One couple were driving by the convention center, saw our sign, pulled over and waved for a handout.  Even some of the staff working inside came over and asked for the handouts.  And on one occasion, a guy working for a catering service began talking to passers-by too.
All in all, it was a productive thing to do.  I certainly think that the Aruban people at the event will be reporting back about the hostile comments they got.  The TV coverage can’t have hurt.  And since Boston is a big center for Aruban tourism, it was a good place to appear.
Let’s hope we can get this going nationwide, so that anywhere ATA appears it will be confronted.  I picked up some pointers on doing this, and think results were good.  We were all enthusiastic and dedicated. 

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  • Comments

    422 Responses to “Protest Aruba in Boston … A Summary from Richard, “We the People”.”

    1. OldFart on March 26th, 2007 8:46 pm

      Richard, Hotshot, Observer & Justice4Natalee
      Fantasic Job and …Thank you so much.

      The signs were perfect.

      Seems like some got upset because several individuals brought attention back to Natalee’s case.

      I still remember (and always will) all the people in the street protesting Beth’s use of the word “Criminal” because they had not been convicted of a crime.

      Ya right. They were organized for other reasons and I would love to know who requested that permit.

      Again .. Well done and Thank You

    2. IndyDan on March 26th, 2007 8:48 pm

      Richard – Hats off to the Boston 5. The fact that the Trolls are out in full force tells all that the effort was nothing but a total success!

    3. Allan K on March 26th, 2007 8:55 pm

      Thanks Again guys and gals.

    4. Carpe Noctem on March 26th, 2007 8:58 pm

      WTG “Pipples”! -Inspector Clueso

    5. charlierat on March 26th, 2007 9:02 pm

      Mark my words. Six months from now, you will see a spike in tourists to Aruba from the Boston area as a direct result of the show this past weekend.

    6. mayan_moons on March 26th, 2007 9:09 pm

      Just one entrance to the show was a prayer answered as everyone that attended had to pass by staunch Natalee supporters!

      I Can Not Be More Pleased!~

    7. mayan_moons on March 26th, 2007 9:11 pm

      Good Call on that IndyDan!~

      they were hysterical!

    8. mayan_moons on March 26th, 2007 9:16 pm

      That fake and phoney front Aruba promotes is just a facade, they don’t care about the people that used to go there. There are much much better places to vacation!

    9. Scared Monkeys on March 26th, 2007 9:18 pm

      A spike … lol … Aruba is one incident against a tourist from becoming Dust Bowl, Oklahoma.

      I am actually still surprised that Aruba’s tourism is still floundering. At some point one does hit rock bottom.

      What Aruba does not realize is that many of the people that once came to Aruba only come via cruise ship now.

      Also, there are too many other places to go with no stigmas attached.

      Also, Americans are traveling within the US more.

      #5, make sure to get that pay check from the ATA.

    10. strayze on March 26th, 2007 9:22 pm

      Your committment, enthusiasm, tolerance, good judgement and patience could not have been done better. Thank you everyone!

    11. IndyDan on March 26th, 2007 9:27 pm

      #5 I’ll take you up on that Rat. Post your current figures and I’ll see you here in 6 months, that is if you’re still around. I’ll be here.

    12. Miss-Underestimated on March 26th, 2007 9:28 pm

      Ah hahaha
      Increased tourists from Boston….too funny.
      Im six months. Why would they wait six months, Aruba gonna have a buy one get one in six months.

      Bostonians don’t forget that fast.

    13. Observer on March 26th, 2007 9:28 pm

      Just one entrance to the show was a prayer answered as everyone that attended had to pass by staunch Natalee supporters!

      I Can Not Be More Pleased!~

      Comment by mayan_moons | March 26, 2007, 9:09 pm

      Me either mayan:) They had to see us on the way out as well.
      I assure that the bostonian’s that didn’t aknowledge us will think twice about going to that country.

      One bostonian told us she was hit by a car(Hit and run)and the police did nothing except protect that local. “I will never go back” Was the theme on day 2 from boston.

    14. charlierat on March 26th, 2007 9:35 pm

      #8 wrote, “What Aruba does not realize is that many of the people that came to Aruba only come via cruise ship now.”

      What #8 does not realize is that s/he is living in a fantasy world of self-importance. The above statement has no basis in fact.

      Aruba is doing just fine. I also have it on best authority from friends in the Boston area that the Aruba presentation was the hit of the show over the weekend and five measley little protesters did nothing to change that.

      But here comes the real question; how did any of this help to solve the case? On it’s best day, how was this intended to help solve the case?

      {{edit by klaasend}}


      SM: Poor Rat, cannot form a sentence without being civil. Too bad its the Aruban people who deal with tourism that are complaining that they are being affected. But you would know better … Tell that to the hard working, honest Arubans who have seen tourism disappear.

      Denial is such a terrible thing. Admitting their is a problem is your first step “Rat”

    15. Carpe Noctem on March 26th, 2007 9:36 pm

      If I wanna get jacked, knifed or shot…

      I can do it here in the good ol’ US for
      50 bucks per diem,

      complete with brunch, a movie,
      and a chocolate mint on my pillow at night.

      At least here, they possess the stones to
      bring it to court case here. — BOYCOTT ARUBA

      Hey A.L.E.”Cops” is on Channel 22,
      go fetch a notepad.

    16. charlierat on March 26th, 2007 9:37 pm

      Sorry, it was #9 (not #8) that wrote the stuff that I quoted and responded to.

    17. diverboy on March 26th, 2007 9:39 pm

      Wow….imagine..the words “spike”, “tourists” and “Aruba” in the same sentence….hmmmm….seems Ive heard them used together before…

    18. Carpe Noctem on March 26th, 2007 9:45 pm


      Interviewer: What’s the anger management stuff, though? At some point, correct me if I’m wrong, that you were getting some sort of… you know, that… were you going to some courses or classes or something? Was there a problem with that?

      Joran van der Sloot: No, I never went to any.

      Interviewer: Nothing like that? Never been an anger issue?

      Joran van der Sloot: No. Never. No.

      Interviewer: That’s just all made up?

      Joran van der Sloot: Yes.

      Interviewer: Totally… totally fiction?

      Joran van der Sloot: Totally made up.

      Interviewer: Ok.

      Joran van der Sloot: Totally fiction.

      JORAN 6/10/2005 STATEMENT

      I am also under treatment of a psychologist. This because I felt bad about the fact that the girl had gone missing. Before the girl went missing I was also under treatment of a psychologist. This was because I had taken 50 euro’s from my dad and also took money from my mother and I used my brothers mobile phone without asking for permission and after that I had broken the chip from his mobile phone. I also once fought with my brother in Miami


      Joran strikes investigator’s car with handcuffs.


    19. Observer on March 26th, 2007 9:48 pm

      Red: Very inspiring..If a individual can stand up to a tank and win, imagine what many could do?

      No doubt Aruba need’s to come clean as it’s the only shot they have at saving there tourism here in America. If the ATA thinks that Natalee is forgotten and in the past..They better think again..

      If the ATA think’s they are gonna go to places like Boston and NY and spend hundred’s of thousands to promote Aruba and not be challenged..They better think again..

      If the Aruban Gov’t thinks that not exposing the coverup and not prosecuting the criminals responsible for natalee’s dissapearance is best for tourism..They better thing again..

      “I will do anything for my son”–Paulus Van Der Sloot
      “I would tell more but it would hurt too many people”–Paulus Van Der Sloot

    20. Richard on March 26th, 2007 9:50 pm

      CharlieRat must know more about Aruban tourism than the Aruba Tourism Authority does, as that august body has been admitting for some time now that tourism is declining.

      As I said on another thread … it’s not our job to solve the case, nor can we do it here. It’s Aruba’s job to solve it … and we’ve all seen what has come of THAT.

      So let’s give Aruba a little nudge; no justice for Natalee?
      No tourists for Aruba.

      Last I knew, Joel Gove’s body was still lost in Saba, the government there was still doing nothing to help the family, and the family were still trying to raise $75,000 for a private search and recovery effort.

      Looks to me like the whole Netherlands Antilles is going down the drain … where it should be.

    21. Miss-Underestimated on March 26th, 2007 9:51 pm

      You protesters really must have did a number on Aruba, the trolls are out and they are rearing the ugly. Good job, it’s werkin

    22. charlierat on March 26th, 2007 9:55 pm

      Since my last comment got edited, here’s the part that got snipped out of the original post. I’ll modify it to see if I can make it more palatable to those on whose feet the shoe fits:

      “Two rhetorical questions with the same answer to both: nothing that you [people that want to see harm come to Aruba] have done has ever been intended to help solve the case; it is all about unbridled, vigilante vengence against innocent people.

      If you [people that want to see harm come to Aruba]actually want to assist in solving the case, how about insisting that some of the donations that have been received by the NH trust fund be used to aide the effort instead of funding speaking engagements around the country?”


      SM:   I wasn’t aware you had inside information regarding the accounting of the NH Trust?   How do you know what the NH Trust money is being used for?   You are FOS Charlierat (klaasend)

    23. Carpe Noctem on March 26th, 2007 9:58 pm

      The trolls were poked with a stick!

    24. mayan_moons on March 26th, 2007 10:00 pm

      lol yeah they had to pass you again on the way out, you guys being there made ATA hit a brick wall and after spending all that money too friend!

    25. Pali druif on March 26th, 2007 10:01 pm

      I personally think that the “protest” was a total faliure…5 people is very little and there was no news coverage at all about the protest…

      On the other hand the AHATA /ATA people did a good job in promoting Aruba and showing Boston that Aruba is a peaceful, prosperous and friendly island.

    26. Carpe Noctem on March 26th, 2007 10:06 pm

      hey pali dufus, is a riot!

      He should open
      for Celine Dion
      in VEGAS.

      you shook me all night long.

    27. mayan_moons on March 26th, 2007 10:06 pm

      Hey Ratface boy….#8 didn’t even say that idiot!

    28. mayan_moons on March 26th, 2007 10:07 pm

      ahhh ok then lol

    29. Roy on March 26th, 2007 10:10 pm

      I’ll just say I’m glad that you guy’s got to exercise your rights as Americans and iffn you feel your efforts were positive and helpful in any manner, then I applaud your commitment to Natalee and her cause. Sounds like you guys are on a real high. “Justice For Natalee”

    30. Carpe Noctem on March 26th, 2007 10:12 pm

      That’s the price they
      let suspected rapist/murderer/bifron
      PAULUS “I Stick My Feet In Concrete For Fun”
      of of the ditch – VAN DER SLOOT


      That ARUBA suffers. Stop whining about
      it. It ain’t pretty.

      It is like watching
      Howard K. Stern cry!

    31. mayan_moons on March 26th, 2007 10:14 pm

      lol Carpe!

    32. mayan_moons on March 26th, 2007 10:25 pm

      Ya know Roy….sometimes i want to scream in frustration and sometimes i laugh but i/we are always thinking about Natalee. She is the victim here charlie not you nor Aruba.

    33. mayan_moons on March 26th, 2007 10:29 pm

      We’re not going to abandon Natalee and if the shoe were on your foot i’d hope, i’m sure that you would do the same for one of you’re own.

    34. San on March 26th, 2007 10:33 pm

      #14 charlierat.

      If Aruba is doing “Just Fine” why aren’t you living there practicing law. With all the drug dealers and murderers I’m sure you can find a job.

      You say you are from Aruba but only have been back once since your childhood. Even the rats stay away from Aruba.

    35. mayan_moons on March 26th, 2007 10:37 pm

      Wouldn’t You?

    36. Roy on March 26th, 2007 10:40 pm

      I know Mayan…I see you here everyday. That takes committment of the likes I’ve seen from very few. I feel exactly like you….Sometimes I laugh, sometimes I wanna throw a brick at the people in here….Nothing personal but 90% of the time, it’s you. But then I have to remind myself that people probably feel the same about me. We are different, no doubt about that….that makes neither of us bad people….We do share one extremely worthy common goal however…..Natalee….How to achieve that minus our personal differences is a tough row to hoe but I believe we will.

    37. buster on March 26th, 2007 10:42 pm

      charlierat it has been said befor that people are protesting to put pressure on your crappy little island’s government
      BUT you being a troll with the companying brain will never understand that. But the good monkeys on this site will keep reminding you in hopes that it will sink into your head.
      The boston 5 are nothing less than Saints for what they did !!! Aruba will always suffer with this thorn in it’s side until it festers out of control.

    38. hotshot on March 26th, 2007 10:43 pm

      To #22 Charlierat. You ask how is this going to help Natalee? No how is this going to help the arubans. The REAL Arubans. We actually got confirmed over the week-end of what we thought all along. YOU people are afraid of your own Government, right from the mouth of the arubans! So, why not get the corruptness out of your own country? Get a backbone, and scoot them out, then people wont be afraid to go to aruba. It will be a safer place. Things like this wont happen anymore, and cover-ups wont either if you have REAL people who run your little island. The Vander Sloots did this whole thing to your island, and you guys are just letting them go on, staying there, and doing nothing. Paulus just got a ramming by his superior, but is still in his position. No-one there has a backbone to make things better for the future, and THATS what needs to be done. No, it is not going to bring Natalee back, but, it can only be of help to the everyday Joe that lives there, and needs to support his family. I guess you obviously don’t run a hotel, or own a business there to see the hit Aruba is taking, so unless you know what your talking about, buttttt OUTTTTTT

    39. San on March 26th, 2007 10:49 pm

      #22 Charlierat

      You want to talk about it all being unbridled, vigilante vengence against innocent people that’s exactly what Aruba did to Beth when she went looking for her daughter and that’s a fact.

      How about some of the funds the Aruba Tourism Authority gave to the Van der Sloot family to help pay for their psycho son’s defense attorneys. Oh yes Aruba has to protect their perverts and rapists on that island.

    40. Elaine on March 26th, 2007 10:53 pm

      Hmmm, Charlie Rat must be earning Browine points for every post that he gets onto here.10 points= a free trip back to Aruba for him. Hurry up Charlie, they need you to hold them up over there, as they sink!

    41. buckeye on March 26th, 2007 11:06 pm

      More reports from the Aruba bulletin board about crime problems in Aruba.


      Joined: 24 Nov 2002
      Posts: 130

      Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:25 pm Post subject:

      I could go into ‘great details’, but will be re-labelled AGAIN as an Aruba bashing aruban….
      In past posting I warned against the “rose colored glasses”, only to get rediculed….The Island is no longer safe, as many remembers the past.
      If only every victimized tourist would post their experience(not being shamefull), and if the ‘local’ papers were printed in English, then the ‘shades of Jamaica’ will shine thru.
      Crime is high, and ever increasing in violence on the island !!!!!!!!!!!!!


      Joined: 12 May 2004
      Posts: 126

      Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:03 am Post subject:


      Kododo, sorry to say but I’d have to agree with you unfortunetly. This incident at these villas is but the tip of the iceberg. I know I’m going to get criticized for saying this bit so be it. I also agree with alot of other posters, crime can happen anywhere and does. But when I’m going on vacation I don t want to be looking over my shoulder all the time to be the next victim, and spending 3 k a week for it. I can do it at home for 3 k less.. With the money we’re all spending in Aruba these days to go on vacation the last thing we want is to be a victim of a crime. But it happens every day of the week to tourists and locals alike. I also agree, if all who have heard of, or been a witness too, or even a victim, we could add another section to this bulletin board. Why some on here continue to sugar coat it, its is amazing to me. 90% of us who post on this board are just vacationers, pure and simple. Who happen to love this once very simple Island. Those days are gone. Make now doubt about it. All this has happened for a hundred reasons, no need to bring up every little pet complaint, or tit for tat crime storys on here. If you’ve been going there for a while like us, “23 years”, theres no need to explain it to you. You should know whats going on!!! If you don t, and don ‘t wanna find out, or don t care, and wanna walk around with your head up someplace, good luck with your sunny days at the beach attitude, you just might end up on the daily police journal like so many hundred others have!!! And yes before any of ya ask, I’ve been a victim also!!!

    42. VAmom on March 26th, 2007 11:20 pm

      charlierat is no more aruban than my granddaugher is japanese just because she was born there. my son was stationed in Japan with the air force and Charlies Dad was working at the oil refinery in Aruba. He wants everyone to believe he is a lawyer, but if he is, he must have fewer clients than Paul van der Sloot. After all, he is on the message boards day and night. Maybe that is why he can’t afford to travel to Aruba more that once in 30 years. Hey Charley, maybe if you did some work once in a while, you could go back more often.

    43. mayan_moons on March 26th, 2007 11:30 pm

      90% at me aye Roy? Ha Ha Well i’ll just wear that as a badge of honor then! One day… way or another we need to bring Natalee home.

    44. Carpe Noctem on March 26th, 2007 11:31 pm


      Now here’s a sentence, carefully constructed, & fully fortified for maximum impact.


      “Paulus just got a ramming by his superior, but is still in his position.”


      I am not worthy…
      Rock on, hotshot!!!
      I love you, mannn.

      Take it to the hoop, sistah.

    45. San on March 26th, 2007 11:34 pm

      #42 VAmom

      I guess he wants everyone to believe he was a lawyer just like Paulus Van der Sloot wanted everyone to believe he was a judge. Two peas in a pod and both are losers. One a failed judge and another a failed lawyer. Hey I hear they are starting a new law firm called Rat and Sloot.

    46. mishy on March 26th, 2007 11:38 pm

      #22 Charlie Rat….

      Put. the. bong. down!!!!!!!

      You know nothing about which you speak. Not one thing…

    47. Carpe Noctem on March 26th, 2007 11:45 pm



      We helped Joran Van der sloot.
      the uncaptured Aruban Rapist / Murderer…

      kill Natalee Ann Holloway & walk
      away scot-free on blue Racquet Club slippers
      to the Wyndham. Oh no wait, the Aruba Grant,
      oh s&$it… no… wait a minute,

      THE RADISSON? oh farts… forget it

      Come back dear Americans,
      we want to take your money
      and murder you as well WITH NO
      COURT CASE for those responsible.

      COME DANCE IN ARUBA! (no thanks) -J4N

      >>my frog

    48. diverboy on March 27th, 2007 12:03 am

      “Paulus just got a ramming by his superior, but is still in his position.”

      Which position might that be? The bent over position? From the color changes he was experiencing must have been a sphincter factor of 9.8. Wish they would have had a picture of that. Poor Sloot…after ALL the time he and his spent looking for Natalee thats the thanks he gets.

    49. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 12:03 am

      #44 lmao Carpe thats just tooo funny

    50. Roy on March 27th, 2007 12:11 am

      USA Today 8-26
      –Satish and Deepak Kalpoe were arrested on suspicion of involvement, with unidentified “OTHER PEOPLE” in premeditated murder and rape, Aruba’s prosecutor’s office said in a statement.
      To arrest them again, “there had to be new facts and circumstances. That is the case,”the statement said. Authorities declined to disclose any other details of the new evidence.
      No information was disclosed about a third man who authorities said was arrested Friday WITH the kalpoes.

    51. Molly on March 27th, 2007 12:17 am

      Thanks again, Boston 5. Surely appreciate your effort. I’m glad that all you got from the Arubans was a dirty look. People will never forget that you were there.

      Justice for Natalee

      molly (in Houston)

    52. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 12:18 am

      Thats what i want to know…what was the basis for the rearrest’s of the brothers and Freddy??

    53. Jasmine on March 27th, 2007 12:23 am

      I say Hooray for the Boston 5! You guys did a great job and I am very proud of you. It’s very interesting that the Arubans told you they fear their government. That confirms what we all have suspected.

      Aruba has underestimated Americans. We will not give up until there is justice for Natalee. It’s simple, Aruba – No Natalee, No Tourists. J4N

    54. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 12:29 am

      I’m proud of you guys too! Words can never say enough…thank you!

    55. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 12:40 am


      Mister Roy “poops you not” on that…

      He’s 100 percent correct.

      Here’s my screen cap – the link is visible
      in the address bar if u wann peruse the article
      further. -J4N

    56. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 12:42 am
    57. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 12:42 am

      Anybody know why the Kalpuke’s were arrested the second time? And Freddy too? I heard the news that they had been takin in but the hurricane hit before i found out why and the day or two after the storm they released every one of them.


    58. Roy on March 27th, 2007 12:59 am

      What locks my eyes into the USA and especially the CNN reports is the repeated reference to “OTHER PEOPLE” and “PREMEDITATION”…. This was information from Aruba’s own prosecutor’s office. If that was their mindset and I believe it to have been a correct one, the arrest of GVC months later seems to have been one that falls perfectly in alignment with that investigative track….Especially with all we now know about GVC….so how did Aruba let it get off track…..
      CNN… They (Kalpoes) are suspected of the “PRIMARY” criminal act of together with “OTHER PEOPLE” committing “PREMEDITATED” murder, alternately together with “OTHER PEOPLE” murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody, the statement said.
      …Those aren’t off the cuff remarks….No prosecutor makes claims like that without significant evidence to go to trial…even iffn they felt they may need more.
      I’m not criticizing Aruba’s judicial system as I know not what they will do or what they have done these past 18 months….But the talk of an accident by prominent members of their judicial system and some of their socialites has me a little worried….Rammstein asks; What would you have Aruba do? Since the decision is not ours, the better question is, What WILL Aruba do?

    59. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 1:48 am

      You darn right the brothers were the primary perps along with Jurine coz they are the ones who drugged her, led her to their car and NEVER brought her back to her friends. I think the others that were arrested at different points in time participated in raping Natalee and possibly witnessed Natalee’s death.

    60. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 1:53 am

      I must say again seeing Paul talking with Natalee makes me believe he raped her too and if HE DID it is not a stretch to think some other old guys were in on it.

      They treated Natalee like an inanimate object, not a person. How dare they do her like that. Did any of them have daughters? Geoffry has a sister.

    61. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 2:03 am

      When they arrested them i was relieved thinking Okay finally….they mean business and won’t stand for letting the perp’s define their island. That they really meant what they’d been conveying…..that they cared about Natalee and all tourists and would do what was needed to be done.

    62. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 2:13 am

      >>Treating ‘em like a blow up doll.

      It’s the Aruban Way. Head on down

      the “Sunset Grill” …and meanwhile,

      have another beer…

      Kalpoes have a sister…

      I’d love to know how they’d react if she got ambushed and gang’d. I doubt they’d just let it slide.

      Clint Van Zandt
      MSNBC analyst & former FBI profiler


      Continuing with Deepak, I said, “September 4th is a big day in this case. Joran either gets held for another 30 days or he’s set free. If he’s released is this case over?” “No,” he quickly replied, “it will never be over — Beth [Natalee's mother] will never let it be over, and the prosecutor is under pressure to do something in this case. It may not look like things are being done, but under the surface they are.” (“I hope you are right,” I said silently to myself.)

      “Would your mother let this go if you were Natalee?” I said.

      >>”No,” he replied, and I thought, “and neither would I.”

      Updated: 11:31 a.m. PT Aug 23, 2005

    63. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 2:39 am

      I know all of us women here on this board appreciate the men here who are outraged that Natalee or any female has been treated the way these punks did. REAL MEN protect young ladies in their company whether they know them or not and wouldn’t stand for it in their presence.

    64. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 2:42 am

      Sunset Grill (one of my favourite songs)

    65. Richard on March 27th, 2007 7:27 am

      One of the trolls above says we got no news coverage. That is factually incorrect; we had a few TV interviews, and on Sunday I was told by passersby that they saw me on Fox News (the local one). Mention was also made of the 6 pm and 11 pm local news coverage.

      I’d rather not speculate on how I looked or sounded on the Fox News interview, but that’s not the issue. The trolls posting here are factually wrong. I don’t think any of the Arubans were asked to comment on anything … except by the several people who went up to their booth and said that they would never be going to Aruba.

      And, of course, they said nothing then either.

      By the way, yesterday I spoke on the phone with the Massachusetts branch of the American Civil Liberties Union.
      They, like us (we participants, I mean), couldn’t understand why wearing a T-shirt with Natalee’s picture on it could be banned. They’re going to be doing some research on that and get back to me … they’ve had their battles with the Massachusetts Port Authority before, I gather.

      They said that state money was used to build the convention center, so the argument that it’s private property doesn’t hold water in their eyes. We’ll see.

      Anyway, I didn’t hear from anyone who had a warm spot in their heart for Aruba … except from a few Arubans. In fact, Observer told me that he was inside and heard one guy tell the white (Dutch?) woman with the Aruban delegation, who seemed hostile to us, about the money he’d lost on Aruba somehow. Her answer was something like, “You get what you pay for,” and turned away. The guy was incensed at her rudeness.

      Par for the course, I guess.

    66. vicki on March 27th, 2007 8:22 am

      Great job on the picture with the Monkeys in the LIERUBA booth.We should have that picture made on Tshirts. My heart swells everytime I see the Boston 5 at this show. God bless you all. I know that in their hearts Beth and Dave are so grateful. You know the “RAT” pretends to care about LIERUBA but has only been back once in 20yrs. hahahahhahahaahahaha. Great work guys.

    67. Patti on March 27th, 2007 8:34 am

      The Boston Five:

      You guys look so cute in the pictures. It makes me happy
      to see that there are still people that use their rights
      afforded them in this great country of ours to picket and
      protest what they feel is unfair….


      have such a good time doing it!

      There is no doubt that Beth and
      Natalee was with you in spirit.
      We were all with you.
      Let’s do it again.

      Justice for Natalee

    68. SUPER DAVE on March 27th, 2007 8:56 am

      #5: what you will probably see is a spike in the rats like you that your island already has. tourists like white bread with their meals. where are you going to get that ? i hope your ata bought a lot of sunbeam while they were in Boston.

    69. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 9:03 am

      Talk about haters, I knew it was a matter of time that Charlie would attack the Holloways and Twittys, That’s pretty much what goes on where he posts.

      Hate site, well that would be where you, Charlie and your likes, post and bash and defame and slander Natalee, her mother, father and any one else in Natalee’s family.

    70. buster on March 27th, 2007 9:13 am

      #60 Makes me wonder it they had there way with her even after she had died.

    71. SUPER DAVE on March 27th, 2007 9:24 am


    72. charlierat on March 27th, 2007 9:25 am

      #68, you have not seen me attacking the Holloways or the Twittys here or anywhere else. Mind you, I will criticize them when I disagree with them but I have never attacked them.

      Unlike people here that openly post lies about Aruba and those that support the lovely island (like for instance, people that post lies about me).

    73. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 9:38 am

      Hey Charlie, what does this mean?

      CNN Saturday, June 11, 2005 Posted: 12:26 AM EDT (0426 GMT)

      ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) — One of three young suspects arrested Thursday in the investigation into the disappearance of an Alabama teenager has confessed to her murder, a senior police official said late Friday.

      The suspect has agreed to lead police to the body of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, the police official said.

      Police did not say which of the three confessed.

      The three have been identified as brothers Satish Kalpoe, 18, and Depak Kalpoe, 21, and their friend, 17-year-old Joran Van Der Sloot, the son of a judge.

      The three, taken into custody early Thursday, were the last people to have reported seeing the missing woman.

      Police said Van Der Sloot met Holloway May 29 at the casino in the Holiday Inn where she was staying. The Mountain Brook, Alabama, resident was in Aruba with classmates celebrating their high school graduation.

      Later that night, Holloway went to a popular nightclub, Carlos ‘N Charlie’s, with about 40 of her classmates. She left around 1:30 a.m. on May 30 with the Kalpoes and Van Der Sloot, authorities said.

      Holly Brown, a Holloway friend who was at the club that night, said she found Van Der Sloot to be “very different.”

      “He lied about his age, and when we went on the [Carlos 'N Charlie's] Web site, we found pictures of him there one week before at the same place, wearing the same clothes,” Brown told CNN.

      Excerpt. Story follows at CNN

    74. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 9:42 am

      Missing in ArubaSuspect Now Admits Lying to Police
      ORANJESTAD, ARUBA-June 26, 2005 – As the mystery of a missing Alabama honors student drags on, questions abound about Aruban authorities’ handling of the Dutch Caribbean island’s highest-profile case in decades.

      Why were the young men last seen with 18-year-old Natalee Holloway left free for days after she disappeared May 30, the last day of a five-day high school graduation trip with 124 other students?
      Why did police wait 16 days after she went missing before searching the home of the Dutch youth who was flirting with her? Why did Aruban officials ask the FBI to send divers, who came to the island but never searched its waters?

      Criminal experts say these apparent mishaps could make it harder for Aruban investigators to crack the case and may ultimately prevent the Holloway family from ever knowing what happened.

      Attorney General Caren Janssen refused to comment on the criticism, saying only: “I can’t comment on the investigation until it’s over. Investigators must be allowed to do their jobs.”

      Joran van der Sloot, 17, and Surinamese brothers Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18, were the last ones seen with Holloway, an honors student from Mountain Brook, Ala. Her passport and packed bags were found in her room.

      After a night of eating, drinking and dancing at Carlos’ N’ Charlie’s restaurant, the three men told police they took Holloway to a northern beach before dropping her off at her hotel around 2 a.m.

      The three were questioned soon after she disappeared but were not arrested until June 9. At the time, Janssen cited “tactical reasons” and there was speculation authorities hoped the freed young men might lead them to a clue.

      That was an error, according to Joseph Pollini, a criminal justice professor at John Jay College in New York, where he spent 33 years as a homicide detective.

      “Once released, it’s problematic because somebody surely coached them,” he said. “A lawyer wouldn’t be worth his weight in salt if he didn’t tell them simply not to say anything.”

      Pollini doubted any confession was now possible.

      Instead, authorities arrested two former hotel security guards, apparently because the young men told police they had last seen Holloway in the parking lot of her hotel, being approached by a black security guard.

      The guards, both black, were released a week later, and one, Antonius “Mickey” John, said that while in jail one of the brothers told him they had never taken Holloway back to her hotel but had dropped her off with van der Sloot at a beach neighboring the Marriott Hotel.

      Investigators led a massive and fruitless search of Malmok beach June 14.

      Only the following day, 16 days after Holloway went missing, did investigators search the van der Sloot house, seizing two vehicles, computers and cameras.

      “They should have immediately done a forensic sweep of van der Sloot’s house, his car, his clothing, and done the same with the Surinamese boys,” said Ron Watson, a retired Alabama police chief who runs a crime scene reconstruction business. “You’ve got 48 hours after a disappearance, after that you are in the red zone and may never find the person.”

      Police did not interrogate the Dutch suspect’s father, Paul van der Sloot, until June 17. In a surprise move, they arrested him Thursday.

      A court appearance for the father, a judge-in-training on the island, was postponed from Saturday to Sunday because the judge was unable to make it to Aruba from nearby Curacao.

      Also Saturday, a defense lawyer confirmed that Satish Kalpoe admitted lying to police when he told them that he, his brother and his Dutch friend dropped Holloway off alone at her hotel on the night she disappeared.

      Satish now claims that he and his 21-year-old brother, Deepak, dropped Holloway and 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot off together at the Marriott hotel, then went home.

      He lied initially “to help his friends, but said at a certain moment, ‘I can’t help you anymore,”‘ his lawyer, David Kock, told The Associated Press. He did not elaborate.

      Authorities also have arrested a 26-year-old party boat disc jockey, Steve Gregory Croes.

      Nobody has been charged in the case.

      Beth Holloway Twitty, the missing girl’s mother, has said the younger van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers know more than they are saying. She also said before the elder van der Sloot’s arrest that she might suspect authorities were protecting the son because of his father’s standing as a high-ranking judicial official.

      Aruban authorities have defended their handling of the case, saying meticulous police work takes time.

      “You have to build up an investigation. You can’t just go in there like a cowboy,” Janssen said last week when asked why investigators waited more than two weeks to search the van der Sloot home.

      There also are questions about efforts to find Holloway.

      Aruban police, Dutch marines, seven FBI agents and thousands of tourists and locals have done island-wide searches that proved fruitless. Aruban authorities also appealed for the FBI to send expert divers. The U.S. agency sent two search-and-rescue divers, but they never got in the water.

      “They never had any information like: she could be in this place or that area,” FBI spokeswoman Judy Orihuela said. “That target would have come from the investigation of Aruban authorities because we can’t investigate in a foreign country.”

      The decision not to dive was “bizarre,” said Joe Huston, a rescue diver with Dickinson-based Texas EquuSearch. The volunteer group began a new search in Aruba on Saturday that included divers and sonar equipment.

      “If her body was put in the ocean, there’s a good chance now she’ll never be found,” Huston said.

      The director of Texas EquuSearch, Tim Miller, said searchers were focusing on “five or six areas of interest” on land, but declined to be more specific.

      (Copyright 2005 by the Associated Press. All rights reserved.)

      There’s that word “Cowboy” hmmm….

    75. 10061906 on March 27th, 2007 9:47 am

      I’m sure Natalee is looking down and smiling in appreciation for your and your associates efforts in Boston.
      Thank you from where I am.

    76. 10061906 on March 27th, 2007 9:50 am

      Why are some posters’ names highlighted while others are not?


      SM: Not positive but I think it’s when you add website link when you sign up to post (klaasend)

    77. charlierat on March 27th, 2007 9:59 am

      Hey, Miss-Underestimated:

      I don’t know. What does it mean to you?

      Did you miss my earlier post on Sunday evening where I stated that I am not capable of solving the case on an internet message board? Maybe you also missed my post where I stated that I am not trying to acquit J2K – maybe they did “it” (whatever “it” is) or maybe they didn’t. At least I entertain the possibility that they might not be guilty.

    78. vicki on March 27th, 2007 9:59 am

      1906- Im glad you are back!!!!!

    79. Gary on March 27th, 2007 10:03 am

      Oh, wow, five people protesting. Hahahahahhaha. Maybe five people will boycott Aruba?

    80. yoyo muffintop on March 27th, 2007 10:05 am

      Just one entrance to the show was a prayer answered as everyone that attended had to pass by staunch Natalee supporters!

      I Can Not Be More Pleased!~

      Comment by mayan_moons | March 26, 2007, 9:09 pm

      Carpe/mayan/Miss-U – you 3, the most prolific posters, should be ashamed and embarrassed. What hypocrisy. You 3 want justice so bad – can you make that happen from behind a keyboard?? Thousands invited, only 3 from SM bothered to show up. 3 – unbelievable.
      I guess the prayer that more than 5 people would show up went unanswered.

    81. jen3560 on March 27th, 2007 10:19 am

      Congrats to the Boston 5!!!!! What a wonderful, selfless, respectable thing you did! My hat’s off to you folks.

      In reading thru all the comments here trying to detract from your accomplishment, and delude themselves further with their own blind, baseless words, I am left to wonder……

      WHAT are THEY doing to help this family get the answers they need about their missing child?


    82. Roy on March 27th, 2007 10:22 am

      MISS-U….. Talk about the hate thing. you got some serious horns popping out there. No one’s talked about the family in any bad way….And why does it seem you are trying to pre-empt it….If someone get’s talked about in a negative manner, let it be for their actions, not their relations.

    83. San on March 27th, 2007 10:29 am

      #72 Charlierat

      You are a liar. You are always in attack mode when it comes to the Hollow/Twittys. Stop your bullshit. You and that other idiot Medleyrelay.

      Oh I forgot you are from Aruba and you love to attack people especially your innocent girls when they are no longer here to defend themselves from monsters like you.

      You are just as bad as the murdering Van der Sloots.

    84. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 10:31 am

      Yoyo…I am honored you acknowledged me in the same group with Mayan and Carpe.

      If I were in proximity to attend Boston, I would have. But as you can tell, Richard, Hotshot, Observer, J4N and her husband did a stellar job, so good that is has brought out many pro and con to come here and post or spew.

      You my friend dissing…me may want to go to Aruba and help with the economic situation down there, being the ardent supporter that you are or you can just send cash.

      Charlie…. are you the same charlierat that is an attorney in Alabama?

    85. SL-Gloria on March 27th, 2007 10:31 am

      To Observer, Richard, HotShot, J4N…just out of curiosity:

      - How large was the public attendance at the trade show?

      - Who was the target audience? The individual traveler or the travel trade from Boston/New England?

    86. SL-Gloria on March 27th, 2007 10:32 am

      Hey have you been?

    87. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 10:34 am

      Roy of course this implys nothing, huh.

      “If you [people that want to see harm come to Aruba]actually want to assist in solving the case, how about insisting that some of the donations that have been received by the NH trust fund be used to aide the effort instead of funding speaking engagements around the country?”


      SM: I wasn’t aware you had inside information regarding the accounting of the NH Trust? How do you know what the NH Trust money is being used for? You are FOS Charlierat (klaasend)

    88. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 10:54 am

      We need to continue to point out…

      For instance, the 10,20,30,40… recorded lies from

      the murdering, gang-raping Van der sloot family.

      Those have CLEARY be


      Black & White, no shades of grey there…

      You can see where Joran lied, Paulus lied, and Anita
      lied. No “IN BETWEENS”

      Why do people who are supposed to be innocent
      continue to lie there buns off to try and escape
      murder & rape charges? SIMPLE – BECAUSE JORAN DID IT,
      KALPOES WERE INVOLVED or things would have fallen apart
      by now. Freddy was in it up to his shmingus too!

      Where are Freddy Z’s statements? When did that Aruban
      hack Gerold Dompig interview Freddy? Where are the
      docs? I don’t see ‘em

      Why are Satish’s statements so few and far between?

      I feel like the questioning & interrogations on that
      POS Satish were WAY TOO LIGHT. What’s up with that?

      Friends don’t let friends go to


    89. Roy on March 27th, 2007 11:02 am

      Miss-U…. I am thinking along more personal lines. I have no clue about anything related to the NH Trust Fund but I do not see it as a personal attack on Beth or Dave… With all the would-be friends and impersonators from early on, I admit there might be some curiosity on some people’s part as to how some of those funds got dispersed. What the heck, I say satisfy all doubters….give no one any excuses.
      Gloria…Hi, long time no see. Hope you’ve been doing well.

    90. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 11:02 am

      Good going, Richard. The Boston
      trip was perfect! You did us proud.

    91. San on March 27th, 2007 11:05 am

      #84 Miss-Underestimated

      Yes he is the same Lawyer and not a good one.

      This is where Charlie is from:

    92. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 11:20 am

      I wouldn’t be surprised if DO BRO MUFFINSQUAT

      wasn’t related, or working for the two Kalpoes

      murderer/rapists of Oranjestad Pimp Squad.

      He loves that word “UNBELIEVABLE.” Enough

      with the BS already! Your own FATHER???

      — Miss U – You’ve always been TOPS in my ‘BOEK’ ;-)

    93. Patti on March 27th, 2007 11:20 am

      Charlie Rat:

      The reason for the boycott is because there is no justice in Aruba. The island of Aruba is so corrupt that the meer knowledge of its’ corruption gets you a get out of jail free card.

      That’s what the boycott is about…

      You care about your island? Change it! What have you done lately? Have you ever stood up for anything or is your whole purpose in life to simply try to stop those that do?

      This is America. If we don’t like something, we have the right to demonstrate. You say that your country is a democracy?… then, use it. Make it work for you.

      Whether there are 5 or 500 makes no difference. All it takes is one, with a heart and the bravery that it takes to stand up and effect change. You want to criticize the efforts of, meerly, five people? Let’s see how it takes only those five people to disrupt the tourism going to Aruba.

      Good always prevails over bad…

      You want to call it hate?

      I call it love.

      More love than you can stand.


    94. arubalies on March 27th, 2007 11:23 am

      it’s interesting that charlierat posts on the BBAruba board that he met with Charles Croes during his visit to Aruba and tells him thank you for the favor? what was the favor?

    95. San on March 27th, 2007 11:25 am

      Hey Charlierat you POS remember this letter you wrote.

    96. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 11:26 am


      What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
      You cannot have a set of rules for some that do not apply to all.

      We all know now that there was never a search to the VDS primary residence, one that Anita claimed took her camera.
      We could go on and on with the lies and miss-truths that have come from this investigation, including but not limited to Mr. Dompig, what did his son Michael say, that Mr. Dompig changed his statement from guilty to Natalee OD’d? We could all go on with the intentional misinformation that has come from the Aruban LE, but as you say satisfy the doubters on both sides?

      I also say satisfy the doubters. Joran said he would tell what happened later? This, if Charlie is still here, is in itself an admission that he did not tell the truth or is withholding information. What is the Aruban LE waiting for?
      Karin Jaansen said they could pursue a Murder without a body, I will add, a body that Paules VDS knew was a corpse. Level the playing field, apply all rules to everyone.

    97. charlierat on March 27th, 2007 11:29 am

      Great! Aruba looks forward to Patti’s “tough love.” We know it’s for our own good. You guys certainly know what’s in our best interest far better than we ever could.

      Now, Patti, tell me how any of this tough love will help solve the case? (Remember the case?)

    98. Patti on March 27th, 2007 11:30 am

      And… now you say you want an accounting of the funds
      collected by Beth Holloway under her not-for-profit

      You’re soft spot is showing…

      This is all about money and tourism to you.

      For us: It’s about educating the people of the dangers
      that exist on islands like Aruba. It’s about traveling
      from University to University to get the message out:



    99. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 11:33 am

      Remember Beth was told to shut up or else ALE would stop working on the case?

      How bout Dave Holloway digging in the Aruban garbage dumps, looking for his daughter, while Aruban put more garbage on top of where he was digging?

      Dave told to go have a beer and wait?

    100. San on March 27th, 2007 11:33 am

      Hey Charlierat remember this persons response to your letter. :)

    101. Roy on March 27th, 2007 11:34 am

      The Murdering-Gang-raping Van Der Sloot family…. You make it sound like their version of a Picnic.
      —What are they lying about? Particularly Anita? Most of the things I’ve heard her credited for were barely eligible for serious discussion. How about this:
      — Beth said the Van Der Sloots invited her into their home when she was handing out prayer cards in their neighborhood. Twitty refused to give details about their 90 minute discussion.
      I (Beth) think I walked away with the confirmation that we still have “SOME INDIVIDUALS” that we need to pursue, she said.
      ….Would that be the source of Anita’s lies that you refer. Beth seems to have believed it if not given it serious consideration.
      —-How about when Joran called Jug aside that first night.. The talk of sexual exploitation irt Natalee seems somehow out of context…. Just what did and what are the Van Der Sloots telling the Holloways and Twitty’s about what happened to Natalee…. I can take a good look at the Shango riddle and guess or I can use my own intuition… but I do not have to guess that the VDS’s have not gone to jail.

    102. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 11:35 am

      Since there is a possiblity that new ppl will be coming here to read about Natalee, maybe Red, Tom and Klass could post the statements again from the perps.

    103. Molly on March 27th, 2007 11:42 am

      #74 Miss U: I live in Houston where one of the biggest rodeos is held each year. However, most of the people in Houston/Texas are NOT cowboys. Big mistake by Arubans to think that we are all cowboys. We don’t all ride bulls and bust through fences. Nothing wrong with that profession, but it’s not the only way of doing things, even amongst cowboys.

      Aruba: Never underestimate Texans, Americans, Monkeys, or the Boston 5!!

      molly (in Houston)

    104. Observer on March 27th, 2007 11:45 am

      To Observer, Richard, HotShot, J4N…just out of curiosity:

      - How large was the public attendance at the trade show?

      - Who was the target audience? The individual traveler or the travel trade from Boston/New England?

      Comment by SL-Gloria | March 27, 2007, 10:31 am

      They said they had a good turnout..9,000-10,000
      Friday was for the travel agents and sat and sunday was for the general public

    105. Dayhiker on March 27th, 2007 11:47 am

      From day one this case has been about nothing but DENIAL. The Van Der Sloots DENIED the truth their son commited a heinous crime and started a cover-up to save their son from inevitible punishment. Van Der Straten DENIED justice for a missing and murdered tourist in favor of his friendship with his good friend Paulus. Nelson Oduber DENIED justice because he couldn’t bear the thought of a murdered American tourist on his stinking island. The Dutch judges DENIED justice for a friend they had worked with and had social relations with.

      Why wouldn’t a person boycott such a place where justice is DENIED to the innocent victims of their criminals? Who wants to get trapped on an island like Aruba where nobody cares about a victim?

    106. Molly on March 27th, 2007 11:49 am

      BOSTON 5: In Congress they consider one phone call to represent 1,000 people. The five (5) of you represented at least that many people who want J4N. Thank you for all your time and effort.

      molly (in Houston)

    107. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 11:56 am


      Anita described Natalee’s undergarments, how did she know and why did she know?

    108. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 12:00 pm

      “Would that be the source of Anita’s lies that you refer.”

      JUNE 23, 2005


      on the Greta Van Sustren Show.

      “In only tell Joran to tell the truth. If we talk about
      the case, I can leave”


      On June 24th 2005, at approximately 10.00 hours, we, the reporting officers, went to the correctional facility Aruba to pick up suspect “Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT” to be questioned.

      There we, the reporting officers, were informed by the watch-commander on duty of the KIA that the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT refused to go with us.

      The suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT talked to us subsequently, and informed us that he did not want to go with us to the police station in Oranjestad to make a statement.

      The suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT gave us as a reason:

      - he would only go with us, the reporting officers if is father was released;

      - that his mother and his lawyer had advised him on behalf of his father to not make any more statements and to invoke his right to not make statements;

      - that he would receive a message from his father’s lawyer when he should make statements;

      - that according to his lawyer, if he would stop making statements, his father would be released in two days;

      - that he listens to his families advise;

      - that the lawyers “Antonio CARLO” and “OOMEN” are good friends of his father

      - that these two lawyers out of friendship with is father would defend them

      - that he know that if he would make a statement he could bring his father into trouble

      - that his father suffers from bad memory and that because of that his and his fathers statements would not correspond

      - that his father even can’t remember what kind of clothes he himself wore the day before

      - that his lawyer had said that the police arrested his father because according to the police his father had picked him up in the late night hours of May 30th 2005 at McDonalds

      - that he wished the police would leave his friends and family alone/stop bothering his family and friends

      - that he would only answer new questions asked by investigators

      - that his lawyer had advised him only to make statements in his presence

      - that his lawyer had started a lawsuit so that he would only make a statement with the lawyer present

      - that he wouldn’t come with us today because his mother would be visiting him at 14.00 hours that day

      - that if he gets a visit from his mother he would discuss making another statement with her

      - that only if his father, by way of his lawyer would say he should make a statement he would do so

      - that he was waiting for the statement of his father and after that make another statement.

      Of this, we, the reporting officers, on our oath of office, have made this proces-verbaal, closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 24th 2005.

      She’s a lying pig. She’s the reason why at least 2 murdering, raping, corpse movers are free… when they should be jailed. Anita could use some jail time.
      She could try racing Joran to read the Bible. LOL -j4n

    109. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 12:06 pm

      Anita also lied her bazoons off about
      the search on the Van der Sloot rape
      hide out.

      The Interview is on the web. I believe FOX NEWS.

      Anita is a lying sow. She is an awful, AWFUL HUMAN BEING.

    110. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 12:09 pm


      I have no problem with the word cowboys…..but I think Karin used it much like her wanting to know if Beth was related to Hitler.

    111. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 12:18 pm

      - that his father suffers from bad memory and that because of that his and his fathers statements would not correspond

      Funny…Pauless did remember how much money he left Joran at the Poker table.

    112. San on March 27th, 2007 12:35 pm

      #109 Carpe.

      Anita isn’t human. She is a monster just like her son and husband. How does a mother go in to detail of what her son did to Natalee when Beth went to her house. In fact Greta said she wanted to crawl under the table she was so embarrassed. THIS IS A FACT SO THERE IS NO DENYING SHE SAID THOSE THINGS.


    113. Dayhiker on March 27th, 2007 12:36 pm

      Molly and Miss-U, then Karin should have described herself as a “cowboy” busting into the security guards’ homes and ransacking them at 6:30 am. Ironic a search warrant was not even acted upon at the Van Der Sloot home until four days after Joran was arrested and limited to his small apartment. The Dutch have their own cowboys and KJ is one of them. Hypocrites!

    114. Patti on March 27th, 2007 12:40 pm

      Charlie Rat ~ #97:

      You’re wrong about me. I am not the one who is beating
      your people with a stick…. Besides, there is nothing
      tough about love.

    115. John Staton on March 27th, 2007 12:55 pm

      If it were not so tragic, the ignorance of Aruba would be amusing. Do they not realize that their market is now reduced to one small geographical area? And it is only the Working Class of that area. The dream of economic growth fueled by aiming at the more affluent is more than dead. Yes, there is some low level of economic activity that Aruba can sustain, but would anyone want to invest in that? Even this reduced market will be under attack from many sides. The economic cost to Aruba due to what happened and how they handled it (cover up) is the greatest blow to their self interest that can be imagined. These fools and what ever money if left to them will soon be parted.

    116. SL-Gloria on March 27th, 2007 12:59 pm

      #104, Observer:

      Thanks…I guess the show had a fairly good turnout.

    117. vicki on March 27th, 2007 1:00 pm

      You know, these trolls come on here and try and get us to repeat ourselves, like they are stupid[well they are] but thats besides the point.Forget them. That PIG charlierat…what a lowlife. He is worse than kelmel….what is wrong with ppl that strike out at a victim.
      I dont give a rats behind what Beth did… she was grieving. Do you think she was in her right mind, worried sick about her daughter, running from tip to tip that were just plain SPIN. LIERUBA does everyone on SATANS Island LIE.
      You filth make me want to PUKE.

    118. yoyo muffintop on March 27th, 2007 1:02 pm

      Capt Insomnia – you didn’t show up in Boston. Time to stop putting j4n at the end of your posts.

      Patti – you had a chance to “educate”, but you didn’t show up in Boston. “All it takes is one, with a heart and the bravery that it takes to stand up and effect change. You want to criticize the efforts of, meerly, five people?” Never criticized the 5 that backed up their words, just those that did not and do not. Kudos to them, shame on you.

    119. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 1:04 pm


      It’s a shame we don’t see the ppl of Aruba standing up to defend these wrongly accused men.

    120. Roy on March 27th, 2007 1:14 pm

      #108…In all that, where’s the lies worthy of demonizing a person. Maybe I need a thicker set of glasses.
      Miss U: The undergarment story was told to Beth, right? And I speculate at their 90 minute meeting at their home…The meeting that both sides refused to give details about. The story is not being told with details provided by either side…… but someone is taking it upon themselves to discredit Anita’s story without it even being heard. How fair and balanced is that? I would venture these are the VDS statements that have them labled liars and gang-raping murderers….and ironically, the statements that keep them out of jail.

    121. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 1:15 pm

      My vote for post of the morning goes to # 105 Dayhiker


      Quote of the morning goes to John S. @ 115

      “Yes, there is some low level of economic activity that Aruba can sustain, but would anyone want to invest in that?”

      True, so true. :-)



      Common links in the case of Natalee Holloway.

      You all remember MAX DEVRIES right?

      He is the little boy that vanished on Aruba on 5/12/2004. Roughly one year before Natalee.

      You all remember this Dirty Cop?


      Paul B. Seute is also involved in the case of Max.

      Who else is involved in both cases?

      Police Assistant Inspector Jules Sambo. (No Picture Available.)

      “We don’t have any indication as to if she is alive,” Sambo said. “The whole population is aware that she is missing. The police are doing everything to find her.”

      Other’s involved in Max’s case.

      Adolf Cruz from Search and Rescue – 297 – 962 – 1380

      V.D. Stuater. (Appears to be a cop, phone number – 297 – 587 – 0009 Polis Station.)

      Debra Bolten – U.S. Council.

      Mr. Vera – Hotel Security.

      Beach Patrol – 297 – 586 – 3003

      It has been almost 3 years since Max became a CRIME VICTIM on Aruba. He was first a VICTIM of his assailant then a VICTIM of the Aruban Law Enforcement.

      To date, Yvonne DeVries has not received the final paper work detailing the final conclusion the Aruban Authorities have reached in his case. Ms. DeVries has also not received any correspondence from any US entity.

      That does not bode well for those of us waiting for the two year statue to expire in Natalee’s case and the remaining documents to be released.

      According to Ms. DeVries, there was never any investigation.

      Photos of Paul B. Seute courtesy of Grande.

      Posted by Zoltan at 8:47 AM 0 comments


    122. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 1:23 pm

      The Holloways weren’t the first
      to lose a loved one to the
      “Aruban Sickness”

      IMO It has been going on

      You know now.

      That will be the Natalee Holloway Legacy.

      She let you know…

      …just HOW EXTREMELY SICK THEY ARE down there.

      Please don’t forget that. -J4N
      Boycott Aruba!

    123. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 1:33 pm


      I am searching thru my stuff and the net for the statement of Anita’s with Greta.

      Oh BTW Anita claimed her camera was taken during a search of her home. We know that her home was not searched.
      Joran room/apt was but not the primary residence.

    124. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 1:34 pm

      Roy what is Aruba doing for the demonized security guards?

    125. vicki on March 27th, 2007 1:36 pm

      Carpe, is this fellow paul also MR. Pink or is Mr. Pink…our very own gretamal??? Do you know?#120- Whats up with Roy??? URINE stated about the flowers on Natalees panties. Are you out of your mind, ROY?? ANITA and the rest of the lowlifes hiding the TRUTH can just drop dead in my mind. Filthy slime buckets. Same as the Kalpukes Mother. HOW DO YOU DISCUSS A MISSING GIRLS panties. PERVERTS… all of you SNAKES that support jpk2


      SM:   This Paul is a member of ALE and not the same person as Paul Brough/Mr. Pink (klaasend)

    126. slogmonster on March 27th, 2007 1:42 pm

      Charlierat is a poster at one of those anti/Twitty anti/Holloway sites so I think we all can guess why he’s here…

      it must be a good day to take a troll.

      Yeah, I know, bad pun intended.

    127. vicki on March 27th, 2007 1:47 pm

      125[Klaas] so is Mr Pink kelmel/gretamal/johnnm?


      SM: I suppose it’s possible, but I highly doubt it (klaasend)

    128. Patti on March 27th, 2007 1:51 pm

      Hey Yo Yo!

      How is it possible that a little boy’s body is found,
      buried at the same spot that Joran takes the police to
      recover Natalee? Doesn’t that seem a little strange to
      you? Remember their story? He was an illegal from
      Columbia that disappeared a year before… his body was
      never claimed by his family. Remember?


      Doesn’t it seem odd that a family would report a little boy
      missing, but not retrieve his body? What did they do…
      Force the family to return to Columbia and drop it at that?
      Isn’t it the police’s responsibility to notify the family
      once a missing person is found? I wonder how many crimes
      go unreported because people fear reprisal?


      Was there, ever, really a missing boy from Columbia?

    129. charlierat on March 27th, 2007 2:00 pm

      Actually, slog, I don’t post at “anti” anything sites. I post at pro-Aruba sites.

    130. Patti on March 27th, 2007 2:02 pm

      This is bad, but when I read some of the things that happen
      on Aruba, it makes me wonder if the tales of the Crypt is
      not based on them.

      What else was in that crypt?

      A mattress?


      Maybe even a boy from Columbia….

      Boycott Aruba!
      (They let their Dutch psychopaths run free)

    131. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 2:09 pm

      Money keeps alot of ppl out of jail, more so if there is/was a huge tourism industry behind them or a massive cover up and influential ppl and sons involved.

      BTW, I only know one attorney who believed these perps are innocent. Guess who?

      When you talk about demonizing Anita, I suggest you check where you post mostly, I don’t think I have to make it personal.

    132. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 2:10 pm

      I’ll add one more thing then I will be away for a bit.

      An attorney crying that Joran knows what happened to Natalee?

    133. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 2:26 pm

      When you talk about demonizing Anita, I suggest you check where you post mostly, I don’t think I have to make it personal.

      I thought that too, Roy. Until I proved it to myself
      beyond a reasonable doubt that she is a lying, shameless,
      piglet… that kept her two cancerous rapist/murderers
      from going to the KIA to give BUBBA some dirty lovin’.

      She is a hoser, a fraud, and a HACK!

      …and furthmore, I suspect uncontrollable flatulence! I’ve
      heard “some things.” -More Later


    134. charlierat on March 27th, 2007 2:32 pm

      You guys crack me up! Your creative writing skills are really good! Of course, everything you’re saying about Aruba is pure fiction. The island is not over-run with crime and/or corruption and the local population is not living in fear of their tyrannical government. Honestly, where do you get that stuff? From Jossy Mansur?

      Aruba is a peaceful, stable, pro-American democracy with a high standard of living and a wonderful, welcoming culture that makes it an ideal vacation destination for hundreds of thousands of guests every year.

      I look forward to many first-time visitors from New England!


      SM: Your writings actually border on childish.

      Maybe if you could comprehend the concept of low and high hanging fruit, you may actually learn something.

      There is no such thing in the tourism industry as 0%. Hell, there is no such thing as 40 or 50% either. if that were the case, there would be no tourism in that location. Low hanging fruit is simple to attain. The only thing easier is that which falls off the tree and is already on the ground.

      Tourism, like many businesses are based on gaining the fruit on the higher branches. That is what creates a profit and what makes yearly increases. This is where Aruba fails for obvious reasons. Tourist locations have to battle other areas with such things and trends, over-saturation, weather changes, acts of God, among many other things.

      Having the stigma of Natalee Holloway gone missing and crime covered up is just the icing on the cake. The last thing any island destination wants is for people to take a look as to what really goes on there whether it be Aruba, Jamaica or anywhere. However … that is Aruba’s plight.

      Then there is another facet that vacation spots must consider, when they become an also-ran. I have dealt with W’s if not W’s of people discussing vacation destinations. I do not say who I am or even make negative comments toward Aruba. To a person … nearly 70% say they would not go and that they would tell their friends not to go for a couple of reasons:

      1. “That’s that place that girl went missing, I would never go there”
      2. Aruba? Please … their best days are behind them
      3. Aruba, Noah … the cool new place is the Dominican Republic
      4. Nope … Aruba, would not go, however, Costa Rico … now there’s a destination.

      Aruba had its own tourism battles that they were going to have to face that they neglected for years just thinking people would always come. The Natalee incident was just fuel to the fire. The face of Arabian tourism for so many is the disappearance of a teen girl from AL. And those people talk to their friends.

      Aruba will always have people that go there, duh, that is a no brainer. The masses, however, nope … not going to happen. There are too many other places that are just as nice, if not much better to go.

      Competition can be a real bitch.


    135. Patti on March 27th, 2007 2:40 pm


      Here is the most disturbing statement that
      Anita Van der Sloot made, in my opinion:


      June 23, 2005 – Anita van der Sloot says on MSNBC:

      “My thoughts are with Natalee. I know she is alive. She’s
      somewhere. She’s alive. And I should have brought her to
      a responsible adult. That I blame myself and I will blame
      my whole life.”

      Makes you wonder how much she, really, knows… or was
      this all a part of her motherly “duties”?


      SM:   Patti – this was cleared up a couple days ago.   Anitia is actually quoting Joran, she is not saying it. (klaasend)

    136. Roy on March 27th, 2007 2:43 pm

      Where I post mostly…..Lady, check your numbers… It’s posted over there….I have about 80 or so posts to my credit there…give or take a few….over the course of about 6 weeks….I’ve got hundreds here, over the course of about 16-17 months.
      BTW….Blackmail is much more effective at keeping people out of jail….Do you want part of the story or all of it? Make your jokes and I’ll laugh with you all day…I don’t mind being the butt of your jokes either. I do not mind beating around the bush, as a matter of fact, it’s probably in everyone’s best interest….but lay off questioning my integrity please….I’ve done nothing or said nothing to offend you or any of your cheerleaders. Nor do I want to.

    137. San on March 27th, 2007 2:44 pm

      #129 charlierat

      Actually, slog, I don’t post at “anti” anything sites. I post at pro-Aruba sites.


      Once again Charlie you are a liar. You post at a site that attacks Natalee and her family end of story. LIAR.

    138. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 2:46 pm
    139. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 3:11 pm


      Don’t be so defensive. You claimed we are demonizing Anita, what I am saying ,9and I am not saying that you are, but where you post0…over there ….demonize Beth, Dave and Natalee.

      You are not the butt of my jokes. I don’t beat around the bush…I suggest before you flame you read my posts. You came here on the attack this morning claiming to check my horns, I think you are attacking me. but…I have no problem with that…it’s part of life….

      I am not questioning anyone integrity but those that I do question, ALE, Anita, Paulus, Smid, King, etc.
      I get the feeling that you are looking for an argument today?

      Calling others cheerleaders is insulting.

    140. Observer on March 27th, 2007 3:17 pm


      Your right.. I am sure blackmail is part of the coverup.. Who does Paulus and the other Fathers have the dirt on?? Rudy Croes??Oduber??

    141. Richard on March 27th, 2007 3:38 pm

      I can say only that in all the three days, I heard almost no positive comments about Aruba.

      It might interest people to know that we had three handouts:

      1. A “Why we’re here” paper explaining why the Boston Globe
      travel show was an important place to protest. Boston and New England are key markets for Aruban tourism, and U.S. tourism accounts for 80% of Aruba’s economy.

      If your daughter were missing in a foreign country, would you want help? And if all you got from it were lies ….

      2. CharlieRat, in his amiable way, is telling us up above about how Aruba is a no-crime paradise. The second handout included items from various media sources, many on Aruba:

      –the gang-raped high school girl who had to leave the island, with no arrests made;
      –the guy in the cave, burned, head, arms and legs cut off; two months later, Aruba said he died of a drug overdose;
      –an American on the beach who was approached by a police imposter demanding a fine, only to tell her that if she performed a sexual act, he’d let her off. (She didn’t.)
      –A Boston woman who was kidnapped and raped from the Carlos ‘n’ Charlies parking lot, screamed her head off, and got no help at all.
      –A family who were robbed and knew their friends were robbed, and who tried to post the information on the Aruba tourism Web sites, only to see it erased.

      And a lot more … but who needs all the examples?

      3. The third handout was courtesy of Dan, whose Web site shows that for all its claims, Aruba actually is one of the most EXPENSIVE sites in the Caribbean. (Hey, tourists, maybe you don’t think stuff happens to you … but at least you know you’re getting screwed financially on Aruba.)

      Our supply of handouts was exhausted by the time we left, and had we taken a more aggressive approach at the outset it probably would have been gone earlier.

    142. charlierat on March 27th, 2007 3:47 pm

      You’re funny, Red! “Low and high hanging fruit!” Stop, you’re slaying me!

      Seriously, though, none of that changes (or even addresses) the fact that all the hateful things people have been saying on this front page about Aruba are complete fiction.

      Aruba is still what it always was: a peaceful, stable, pro-American democracy with a high standard of living and a wonderful, welcoming culture that makes it the perfect vacation destination for hundreds of thousands of guests every year.

      And furthermore, it is truthiness, plain and simple, to describe Aruba’s tourist economy as in any trouble at all. Hotels are full, repeat visitors are still coming back and new visitors are adding themselves to the ranks of the Aruba-holics. The only real danger here is over-popularity (and resultant over-development) but I say, we’ll take our chances on that one.


      SM:   :)   :)   What is this “we’ll take our chances on that one”?   You don’t live in Aruba and have only recently visited after over 20 years.   So now you are an expert? (klaasend)

    143. Roy on March 27th, 2007 4:02 pm

      –Miss– I apologize for the horn remarks but as for BFN, I like the board, I see it as another venue for Natalee’s cause, plus they have a real good set up that enables simultaneous discussions—As for it’s content and posters, I see very little difference from here. My opinions are the same whether I’m here or there as are so many that traverse back and forth seeking constructive discussion. I’m not looking for an argument, Many, not all, of my opinions differ from mainstream thought and those differences only give that impression…. Calling people trolls, J2K supporters, and like it or not, (cheerleading) is what appears offensive and argumentative to me… Take Rats; yes the guys objectives are clear and obvious, but I still wanna hear what he has to say….Why gang up on him to the point that he leaves frustrated….I know, I’m a fine one to talk….I dogged Arubansee, Linda, and Crioyo on this board so hard till I got what I asked for…now I realize the importance of some of the words they spoke, even if I was to still be in disagreement with them.

    144. Richard on March 27th, 2007 4:12 pm

      CharlieRat (#142) labels Aruba a “peaceful, stable, pro-American democracy.”

      North Korea labels itself a people’s paradise.

      Lies are lies.

    145. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 4:16 pm

      Apology taken, I apologize for anything that may have been a direct insult.

      As for Charlie, He has come here to cause a distraction from the real cause here, Natalee.


    146. Richard on March 27th, 2007 4:55 pm

      You are right, Miss U. Evidently the demonstration has fluttered the dovecotes, so to speak, on the Aruba side.

      I’m thinking of sending the photos to the Aruba Tourism Authority … after all, they do want to see how effective their advertising campaign is, don’t they?

      Shouldn’t we assist Aruba by providing evidence of what the American public thinks of them?

      It is claimed above that Aruba is pro-America. Yes, in the same way that a pilot fish is well disposed to a shark (I believe that a pilot fish darts in and out of the shark’s mouth and picks its food from what remains there).

      Or, more accurately and vividly, Aruba is pro-America to the degree that a leech is fond of the host from which it sucks blood, possibly transmitting disease in return.

    147. yoyo muffintop on March 27th, 2007 5:04 pm

      Patti – “Whether there are 5 or 500 makes no difference.”

      You don’t really believe that do you? Or does stating that make you feel better about your own lack of “action”? Keep typing away while others do the work.


      SM:   Those that went did a great job, 500 may have been too intimidating.     Those that went either lived close to Boston or had the time and money available to make the trip.   IMO the 5 who went made a huge impact.   (klaasend)  

    148. Roy on March 27th, 2007 5:09 pm

      Richard: Who and where do you see a “dovecoat”?

    149. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 5:18 pm

      Hey Richard!

      Excellent Analysis of the situation! Couldn’t be better. We know we won’t change the minds of Aruban’s and we are NOT trying to do that, its pointless. What we can and are doing is reminding people (vacations) of what they already know, that Aruba is underhanded, untruthful and unsafe!

    150. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 5:24 pm

      Aruba is not used to being challenged, especially face to face and they can’t handle it. They’re jumping out of their skin thinking of the ramifications of a face to face at ALL the venue’s in the US!

      Again…..Great Job Richard!~

    151. Patti on March 27th, 2007 5:34 pm

      Yo Yo!

      I guess it just wasn’t meant to be. I was asked to attend
      long before it ever became an issue on this board, but, it
      was evident that I couldn’t go. I wish I would have… but
      even more than that I wish I COULD have.

      But, you know me, I try to look at the possitive side and I
      suppose that it just wasn’t meant for me to go… besides,
      the ones that DID go, did such a wonderful job that I’m
      certain that it would not have made any difference whether
      I was there or not.

      God moves mountains…

      He chose five of us to do the job…

      and in this case, they did a helk of a job!

      You can’t argue with that… or can you?

    152. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 5:57 pm

      Speaking of picking low hanging fruit…

      Where are THE GUIDO WEVER ALE statements??? What’s up

      I think they need to pick faster!

      “damnnnn” :shock: -Barney Fife



    153. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 6:07 pm

      Serial lying, fraud, hack Anita
      Van der sloot’s spiritual message
      for today:

      Tues, March 27, 2007

      “Goddess see the blame, get the hurt” “The Sporter says he takes them in the mailing.” -j4n

    154. Patti on March 27th, 2007 6:07 pm

      Yo Yo!

      Why don’t you do something inspiring?

      Remember that post that you made on Martin Luther King day?
      That was the most awesome thing that I have ever witnessed
      you do. I know that there are times that we have disagreed
      and I’m sorry for that. I have my own opinions and so do
      you. That’s what makes the world go round. But there was a
      post that was attached to that video that was, probably, the
      most wonderful thing that I had ever read.

      Whether it’s to round up some stories, quote some sites, or
      just sit here and type; we all do what we can. I don’t need
      to impress you with my writing and it’s not done for only
      you. It’s for everyone… including me. None of us would
      be here if there weren’t some sort of personal satisfaction
      that we draw from it. As far as you know, I could be a
      handicap person, a beauty queen or a machine. You don’t
      know me. The personal questions you ask people sometimes,
      gets annoying… talking about why didn’t you do this, or
      that or the other… one thing that I have learned in my
      life’s struggle is that we all do what we can and at the end
      of the day, it’s all good.

      So, please, INISPIRE, if you can; and let your love and your
      kindness shine through.

    155. yoyo muffintop on March 27th, 2007 6:09 pm

      Size of crowds absolutely matters when it comes to a protest/demonstration. Remember that one of the purposes is to show off how many people came together for the cause. Not “in spirit”, but actually there. Most people will only see the protest/demonstration in photographs and news videos. 500 people outside would have been very very powerful with media flocking.
      5 – not so.

    156. Patti on March 27th, 2007 6:17 pm

      Well… that wasn’t inspiring at all.

    157. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 6:40 pm

      No 500 people outside
      demonstrating would
      have been a movie
      set with paid extras…

      like those effin sad twinks
      that showed up in Aruba to
      support Joran THE GANG-RAPING

      (A Dutch weasel that wouldn’t be caught
      dead with those same people today)

      Great show of support for the dateraping Joran
      that showed it by attacking a mother who was simply
      trying to find what had been done
      with her child.



      “Nobody does it better.”

    158. dennisintn on March 27th, 2007 6:42 pm

      the muffin’s just interested in everybody forgetting about natalee and letting aruba get away without prosecuting anybody for her disappearance. natalee was “just a little tourist girl” you know and aruba doesn’t think much of girls in general from the way they treat sexual crimes against women on the island. pariahs of the caribbean.

    159. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 6:44 pm

      “I mean, if I were in their position and there was some kid that was with someone I loved last, I mean, and all this happened, he lied to the police, you name it, I mean, I’d be… I’d be pissed. I’d be… I’d probably go to that kid, and you know, I’m someone that I’d probably beat him up until he tells me everything he knows.” -JVDS

      FOX NEWS / GRETA Joran Interview



    160. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 6:51 pm

      “speaking of low hanging fruit…where’s Guido?”

      lmao Carpe~

    161. Maggie on March 27th, 2007 6:54 pm

      Why do you continually come here to put down any effort people make to get justice for Natalee? Don’t underestimate the power of one or a few people. We have seen time and time again good and bad through history, what the power of one or a few people can do. Thank God, for the 5 who went and all the work and time they spent.

      Instead you want us to believe a self confessed liar repeatedly, over 22 times, who was labeled a sociopath, when he says he left a girl on the beach. Nothing makes me sicker than to think of Natalee’s father digging through a dump while those 3 and the families were getting together making up more lies. The most critical hours of a person missing and they lied about her condition, where they took her, what they did to her, basically everything. Still people want to come here and try to make Natalee and her family the bad people in this story. Natalee was a paying tourist to Aruba who was a victim of crimes her last night in Aruba.. 2 years almost not one thing has changed the fact that Natalee was last seen leaving CnC with all 3, Not one person has came forward to see them at the beach or any evidence they were ever there, not one person has came forward to see Natalee alive since and not one of their stories match. Just because Natalee was left voiceless doesn’t make her any less a victim of crime.

      If Natalee’s story or 5 people showing up is so insignificant, they why come here to comment? I wasn’t in the court room with Mark Lunsford either for the murder trial of his daughter, but I was there in spirit 100% on his side. Time and time again we’ve heard Natalee is only one person.. anything to make it appear less significant what was done to her In Aruba.

    162. slogmonster on March 27th, 2007 6:57 pm

      Lol! Good one Patti. :)

    163. Patti on March 27th, 2007 7:23 pm


      To quote the great blues singer, Solomon Burke: “None of us are free if one of us is chained…”

      This message of Dr. Martin Luther King does not only apply here in the US, but everywhere in the world. We will never be free so long as there is a hungry AIDS stricken orphan, a sexually mutilated girl, a battered woman, a child sold into prostitution, a man climbing a fence to feed his family, a homeless man walking the streets, a soildier laying down to die, a raped child, a murdered spouse, anyone living in fear,…

      Chains know no color, no nationality, no religion, no sex, no bank account balance. Chains are what we put on the person we chose to hate, gossip about, deny an equal voice. We place chains on those we insult, threaten, & cheat. And in doing so we enslave ourselves as well. When one places chains on another, he holds the other end of the chain & ties himself to the commitment to hatred. We enslave ourselves to that life of hatred, the life of battle to hold on tight. We prevent ourselves from being free to learn, grow, and to know. Living in a house of hatred means we keep our doors locked against the hope of peace. As long as we kill there will always be war. As long as we hate we can never find love.

      The dream is ongoing. When can we awaken to it becoming a reality?

      Aaaah… Sweet Inspiration!

      Yo Yo!

      Martin Luther King was only 1 man.


    164. Patti on March 27th, 2007 8:13 pm


      High FIVE!

      (Cheerleader Style)


      Boycott Aruba

    165. Richard on March 27th, 2007 8:53 pm

      We had a permit for up to eight people, no more.

      Judging from the desperation with which the pro-Arubans are speaking out, it seems that we five had quite an impact indeed.

    166. Richard on March 27th, 2007 8:56 pm

      I wonder, at the end, how many Arubans there were against Natalee.

      Hey, if it was us five against Aruba, that sounds about even.

    167. IndyDan on March 27th, 2007 9:01 pm

      I’ll try this sum:
      #158 Dennis – actually I don’t think the muffin really cares about anything. Her only reason is to get a goose out of someone here to make her feel like she’s worthy of something. She’s just found a place that will recognize her comments, probably something she didn’t get as a kid growing up.

    168. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 9:03 pm

      That is a great idea Richard. They might get the idea that the case for Natalee is not over or fogotten. You are all top notch, I am sure the Holloways and Twittys are proud and thankful for what you have done.

      Actually that could be a great post card, hey Aruba here’s what we think.

      LOL Carpe I like the one about the bra, too funny.
      Carpe did you ever have one of them glow in the dark yoyos?

    169. arubagirl on March 27th, 2007 9:06 pm

      #165, it had an impact on me because I expected a lot more. Of all the people who post here spewing hatred about Aruba and (some) Arubans, only five decided to actually do something? I admire you that you’re not angry about that.

      I am not afraid of my government. Not in the least. I am more afraid by the various crazies who post here about nuking Aruba etc. than I am afraid of that big bunch of fools calling themselves the government.

      Oh, and please “SUPERDAVE” we have white bread. But if you’re seriously looking for a recommendation, I’d say Kong Hing or Huchada! :-)

    170. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 9:06 pm


      I’d have to agree,
      Children will take negative attention over no attention at all.

    171. Miss-Underestimated on March 27th, 2007 9:18 pm


      How many Arubans came to the defense of the two security guards? Beth Holloway pressed on so these two would not be wrongly convicted. Why aren’t your ppl even 5 of you protesting? There doesn’t seem to be any blogs dedicated to their defense?

    172. IndyDan on March 27th, 2007 9:29 pm

      #170 – maybe abused but most likely just not loved. Only attention was negative attention. Not going to speculate beyond that except to say that she only seems interested in getting a knee jerk reaction out of someone. Taken to task, she bails. She also only seems to come out of her hole when there are other Trolls around. She doesn’t seem to have a lot of support, a lonely loner perhaps?

    173. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 9:29 pm

      “I am not afraid of my government. Not in the least. I am more afraid by the various crazies who post here about nuking Aruba etc. than I am afraid of that big bunch of fools calling themselves the government.”


      D******, go take some more pictures of twisted,
      frosted glass, please.

      >>Your photography work,

      Your general disdain for
      Supporters Of Natalee,
      not so much!!!

      I don’t give a shit how many articles you translated.

      How can u “Rodney King” (as the say) some of the only troops that Natalee has left fighting for her?

      Your coward pock marked Mickey Mouse Dug-ass Government gave up on her long ago.

      When was the last offical Aruba Govt.

      Yeah, me neither…
      Be sweet, tho!


      SM:   edited by klaasend ;)

    174. Richard on March 27th, 2007 10:07 pm

      It’s no wonder that the Aruban trolls are lashing out:

      Think of it … who’s the most famous Aruban today?

      You got it: Joran van der Sloot.
      Closely followed, perhaps, by his Daddy of the ditch (you see, the Dutch language can indeed be expressive at times) and the Kalpoes.

      What a legacy.

    175. arubalies on March 27th, 2007 10:11 pm

      arubagirl since you only seem to respect action if we take up a collection to send charlie the rat to aruba permanently can you and your buddy stratten make sure he gets the big ride and stays forever? we’ll scratch your back if you scratch ours.

    176. San on March 27th, 2007 10:16 pm

      #169 Arubagirl

      Arubagirl what happened to Natalee I know you know.

    177. arubalies on March 27th, 2007 10:22 pm

      richard you are so right it is a deserving legacy for those who have kept their mouths shut about the truth like arubagirl heck she lives next door to stratten !

    178. Disgusted on March 27th, 2007 10:32 pm

      Looks like the 5 and there supporters did some pretty good damage. I cant wait to see what they accomplish the next time the ATA plans a big event in the U.S.

      It’s not to late to prosecute and to save your relationship with american tourism.

    179. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 10:42 pm

      were you there arubagirl?

    180. San on March 27th, 2007 11:04 pm

      179. mayan_moons.

      You see mayan_moons these are the questions that she won’t answer. If she does we will not get the truth. Fear is a factor in getting the truth out Aruba. It will take someone with courage.

      Here is another question that maybe she can answer.

      Arubagirl who was the neighbor directly in back of Joran’s apartment. Not the one with the monkey.

    181. Roy on March 27th, 2007 11:13 pm

      What’s up mod…you didn’t like that one…That’s Ok, I can see why….was just looking to address the hate and sarcasm seems to work best….OR did I flunk that math challenge again…It usually tells me.


      SM:   Maybe it’s just me but you don’t sound like the same Roy that has been posting here.   Your last post added about as much to the conversation that this one does.   Nobody is forcing you to read here.   (klaasend)

    182. Carpe Noctem on March 27th, 2007 11:22 pm

      It ain’t just you, Klaas!!!

      I don’t think it’s the ol’ Roy
      we used to know either. This one
      has his straw in the kool-aid.


    183. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 11:29 pm

      Yes San….these are tough questions to answer but to run away from them speaks volumes, does it not?

    184. mayan_moons on March 27th, 2007 11:39 pm

      These clown coming here saying how hate filled we are are a piece of work. Aruba the hate you see is just your reflection.

    185. San on March 27th, 2007 11:41 pm

      183# mayan_moons

      Yes it does.

    186. postahchild on March 27th, 2007 11:42 pm

      Re: #59 Well, finally, it appears we might be on the verge of a break in the case. Take your evidence to the FBI, Mayan Moons, since I doubt you trust the Aruban authorities, and maybe we’ll finally get somewhere in the investigation.

    187. Roy on March 27th, 2007 11:45 pm

      I know Klaas…That was exactly my point. What conversation? Everyone with opposing opinions is getting bull-dozed right out of here…. and please, no way have my posts been as insulting as the majority of what you see in here. “Nobody is forcing you to read here”…. Sounds like an invitation to leave….If it’s OK with you, I’d like to stay…but not iffn I have to fall in line with the way everyone else acts and thinks…..It’s me…always has been.

    188. mayan_moons on March 28th, 2007 12:02 am

      what was it called earlier……oh yeah unbridled hate. oops Aruba lets it slip how they really feel about Americans. After watching what the family has been put through by these chumps not to even mention what Natalee went through is enough to make ya hate somebody. Namely the damn punks who took her and hurt her, but the Aruban people subjected and injected themselves into these showing a side of humanbeings i didn’t know existed.

    189. arubagirl on March 28th, 2007 12:04 am

      San are you insane or just delusional? My freaking address has been on this very board for months and you still say I live behind Joran?!!!? I’ve heard Americans aren’t very good in geography, but seriously, you’ve got to be kiddng, right?

      I’m not going to dignify any insinuations that I know what happened to Natalee. For God’s sake, go play with petunias if you’re going to think in that directly. I know just as much as you about this case.

      Oh, and btw, if I don’t answer, it’s because I’m watching DVDs, so please don’t try to make a big deal out of it.

    190. mayan_moons on March 28th, 2007 12:07 am

      Well…..i knew they existed but Aruba wants it both ways.
      They want our money & must little charm to lure us there but once there you’ll be lucky to leave with only a knife in your back.

    191. Roy on March 28th, 2007 12:08 am

      Thx…Two boards in one week would have been a little much. I’ll try to check my words.

    192. mayan_moons on March 28th, 2007 12:13 am

      Nothing we say here could even rise to the level of insulting compared to what the local guys did to Natalee, could it Roy?

    193. Carpe Noctem on March 28th, 2007 12:30 am


    194. Carpe Noctem on March 28th, 2007 12:41 am

      189 — “because I’m watching DVDs”

      Try one from the “BEING A BETTER PERSON” series.

    195. Roy on March 28th, 2007 12:52 am

      No Mayan…..Nothing compares to what “ALL” those boys did to Natalee.

    196. Molly on March 28th, 2007 12:57 am

      #110: MISS U: Oh, no, I know that you don’t have a problem with cowboys. It’s just ridiculous how Aruba and other countries think that everyone in the US is a cowboy. Not even everyone in Texas or in Houston is a cowboy. My son went to Europe to play soccer and he was asked if he had horses.!!

      molly (in Houston)

    197. Molly on March 28th, 2007 12:59 am

      Richard, just let us know when the next travel show is. Maybe it will be at the George R. Brown Center in Houston.

      Boycott Aruba

      molly (in Houston)

    198. Roy on March 28th, 2007 1:24 am

      Mayan: How’s this for insulting…..
      No reflection on the boycott intended but got online this past weekend to check into booking a reservation for Apr-May in Aruba….Most hotels had few spaces available…. Tourism numbers may be obscured but they don’t seem to be doing too bad……On top of that, these ATA people got Bacchus lobbying on behalf of Aruba….no doubt these corporations are int’l in nature so these lobbying efforts probably extend beyond the borders of Aruba… The good hard-working people of Aruba seem to have never been a consideration but the Fat-Cats get the luxury of double-dipping….That is insulting! Not to mention one heck of a little “Blackmail Scheme” they got going there.

    199. Disgusted on March 28th, 2007 2:33 am

      On the justice front, Aruba as a nation has just been caught in a lie. While Aruba has been reporting record tourism, they backtracked poorly when backed against a wall. Boycott Watch asks the question: If Aruba covered-up actual tourism numbers and claimed record tourism to the court of public opinion, did they also cover-up anything in their statements in the Natalee Holloway disappearance?

      In an article by Boycott Watch President Fred Taub that was originally published by World Net Daily on June 15, 2006, ( here and here ) Boycott Watch broke the story that Aruba had lied about its tourism numbers in the face of a boycott related to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Aruba then backtracked in its reports to cover up the fact that tourism was down, not up as they originally reported. Aruba’s backtrack, however, was not enough

      Although one may have expected there to be an easing of the Aruba boycott or at least a leveling off, that has not happened. The boycott of Aruba related to the disappearance of Natalle Holloway and the way the Aruba government has handled the case is in full force, and the effects of the boycott are growing.

      ATA Officials are also launching a training program called ”The Aruba Promise” for people involved in the tourism industry. Lopez said the training is designed to make sure tourism workers are in sync with Aruba’s tagline of ”One Happy Island.”

    200. Disgusted on March 28th, 2007 2:37 am

      Aruba tourism officials clearly overstated its tourism statistics, then failed to backtrack enough to match its own central bank’s reports. With many of Aruba’s statements regarding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway being questioned by her family, one has to wonder why Aruba would release any questionable numbers, yet that is exactly what Aruba appears to have done.

    201. mayan_moons on March 28th, 2007 2:59 am

      Hey….i can relate to hard working people being shortchanged at almost every turn and its not the fault of said hard working people. Alot of people have it ALL & don’t appreciate it and or use their lucky lot in life to belittle others and keep em down. They enjoy that and its wrong.

      Then we’ve got people like the Sloots who tried and appears managed to feed Aruba people things that just were not true to insulate themselves from the evil things they did. The Sloots are master manipulators and know which buttons to push. Its either that or Aruban’s always hated us anyway & couldn’t wait to show how much they hate us.

      But ya know what…..even after everythings thats gone down in the last two years, 1/we would protect arubagirl if we saw someone hurting them and we/i just don’t understand why wouldn’t aruba do the same for Natalee.

    202. Carpe Noctem on March 28th, 2007 3:17 am

      WITH A KNIFE!!!!


      Aruba really is. YOU GO GIRL! (nobody can tell us
      how wonderful Aruba is like you.)

      —excerpt from ArubaGirl Blog

      MARCH 24TH, 2007


      In Aruba we have a lot of good things, but of course also some bad things. One of these are the problems of the homeless drug addicts, that we call ‘chollers’. These chollers beg, yell, fight and generally resist any help of the various local NA groups.

      Yesterday, a woman was offered by one of those chollers to wash her car. She refused. When she came back the tires of her car were slashed. She called the authorities, a complaint was filed, etc. She also told her husband what happened. The husband, a local businessman whose stores have been held up a number of times, went to look for the choller who he thought slashed his wife’s car.

      The husband found the choller, and apparently told the choller that he did a bad thing to a woman. (Chivalry isn’t completely dead in Aruba). The story goes that things rather went to pot from there, and the choller reached in his pocket. The businessman, thinking that he was going to be presented with a knife, took out his own handgun, for which he has a permit. The choller ran away into a nearby gym, and the businessman followed suit, gun waving. The gym owner didn’t appreciate the commotion, ordered them both outside and called the police.

      The police came and arrested both choller and businessman.

      The news caused a sizable consternation in the community because the businessman also got arrested. Many think that he had a reason to suspect that the choller was carrying a weapon, and was right in waving his own gun. He had a permit, after all, and it was for self protection. I agree with this. It caused even more of an uproar when he was again ordered to remain in custody today.

      I don’t think that the businessman should have pursued the choller into the gym. After all, the choller fled the scene and so there was not a case anymore of having to defend oneself.



      The businesss man protecting himself from a knife weilding
      “choller” (drug dealer) is in jail.

      …yet the murdering, serial lying, gang-rapist of ARUBA…


      Joran Van der sloot continues to go jail free!!!!

      AMAZING. Thanks for sharing, ArubaGirl.



    203. San on March 28th, 2007 6:15 am

      #189 Arubagirl

      Arubagirl, I am neither insane or just delusional. I did not say you lived behind Joran so go back and read my post. The question we were all wondering about was who lived in the house behind Joran’s.

      In one of the statements it was said a neighbor came out of the house and called to Joran and asked him to lower the radio because their baby was sleeping. Who was that neighbor. I don’t care where you live or what your address is because that is none of my business.

      You can say you know as much as me about the case and this is where we disagree. I believe you know a ton about this case. You have even said you have relatives in the police force. Basically cops talk and that’s a fact. You are a hometown girl and you are smart to the ways of Aruba.

      I believe if you don’t answer questions it is because you can’t. Let’s face facts here. One young lady can’t take her government on when there are so many people in power that are involved in what happened. It is like that everywhere. When I say involved in what happened I mean made the wrong decisions for Aruba and they can’t go back and change what they did.

      I will say you did do a lot for this case and provided certain information as best you could. You also have done translations when called upon. But even you have limits and know where not to go without getting yourself into deep.

    204. Richard on March 28th, 2007 6:33 am

      Roy, I can say that the Aruban hotel owner who came over to applaud us for appearing said that tourism is suffering, and has been for some time. So I’ll leave it at that.

      She also told me that the van der Sloots, and the Kalpoes to some degree, are practically ostracized on Aruba. But that may be due more to the tourist impact than to concern about Natalee.

      So I think I’ll email her and suggest she urge Arubans to speak up and demand action. That’s their responsibility if they want our business, as far as I’m concerned.

      If they don’t, then it’s a sign to Americans about how deep their concern is. And that’s a statement about how sincere their “friendship” is.

      Molly (198), I’ll get that info. After all, this is what we want: until there is a solution to Natalee’s case, ATA should be confronted everywhere it puts its hoofprints.

      We know that Aruba wants the case to go away and be forgotten (Natalee who?). Won’t happen … we won’t let it.

    205. arubagirl on March 28th, 2007 6:38 am

      #194: Please don’t tell me that you consider yourself morally superior to me. That’s quite funny.

      And, it was season two of the West Wing.

    206. Miss-Underestimated on March 28th, 2007 9:21 am


      You really hit some nerves big time.

      196. Guess some ppl don’t get out much. LOL

      BTW if the haters happen to be reading today. If Beth Twitty is/was hell bent on just having anyone locked up for the murder of Natalee, she would have settled for the two security guards. If it weren’t for Beth, they two guards would have been tried for the murder of Natalee. We know Beth did more for the release two guards than Aruba did. Were are the proponents in Aruba to help these guards get restitution like Paulus was given.and then denied? Where are you up standing citizens of Aruba, they were gonna railroad these two guys and you all are silent?

      Yeah just what we know, no one in Aruba cares about wrongful, only $$$$$ for tourism and Paulus.

      Aruba give Natalee Holloway back to her family.

    207. Carpe Noctem on March 28th, 2007 9:22 am

      No, no, not at all.


    208. arubalies on March 28th, 2007 9:31 am

      arubagirl you live in glass house. you have acted like you feel morally and intellectually superior for a long time and you are never funny. how is stratten these days?

    209. 10061906 on March 28th, 2007 9:34 am

      Posters!!!!! You are doing exactly what charlierat wants you to do..much like Amsterdam man.. Ignore the trolls, do not respond, eventually they will go away to some other site. Charlierat does not warrant the time spent to respond to any of his/her postings.

    210. 10061906 on March 28th, 2007 10:21 am

      How to connect everyone?
      Joran knows the K2′s.
      Joran knows Guido Wever
      Joran knows Koen
      Joran knows Freddie
      Koen knows Freddie
      Joran knows Michael Dompig
      Michael knows Geoffrey von Cromvoirt
      Michael knows Andreas
      Andreas knows Judy from C and C’s
      Judy knows Joran from C and C’s
      Paulus knows Guido Wever the dealer
      Paulus knows Karle Wever the Funeral Director
      Paulus knows PM Oduber and his son.
      Oduber’s son is in same organization as Karle Wever
      Paulus van der Sloot are friends of Jan van der Straaten
      Jan van der Straaten knows S. Croes Minister of Justice
      Van der Straaten is Joran’s God Father?.
      Van der Straaten knows Williem von Cromvoirt from police officers in Holland.
      Van der Straaten knows Dennis Jacobs who knows Gerald Dompig who in turn probably knows Geoffrey von Cromvoirt because of his son Michael.
      The K2′s are cousins to Gerald Dompig and probably know Michael Dompig who in turn knows Geoffrey who knows Andreas who knows Joran who knows Freddie who knows Keon who then probably knows Guido.
      If anyone of the above were involved with Natalee’s disappearance don’t you think the others would cover for each other?

      The question that bothers me is this; it has been stated that Freddie and Koen were at Joran’s apartment the night Natalee disappeared. Apparently they crashed there that night. So how would they feel if Joran, who was picked up by the K2′s, went to C and C’s, were able to kidnap a female tourist on her last night on Aruba and took her somewhere else and had sex with her and did not include Freddie and Koen OR ANY OF THE OTHER PIMPS FOR THAT MATTER.
      (Freddie takes the pictures and Koen was not permitted to be interviewed by the police and fled to Holland) What is wrong with this picture?

    211. Mohican on March 28th, 2007 10:27 am

      Aruba Aloe Balm to the US 

ORANJESTAD – With a kiosk in the Atrium shopping mall near Chestnut Hill in Boston and in the South Shore Plaza in Braintree, Massachusetts, Aruba Aloe Balm makes her first debut on the North-American market. The company has chosen for these shopping centers, because they attract many shoppers; together 27 million shoppers per year.
With the opening of the market in the United States, the wish of Aruba Aloe Balm’s management is fulfilled. The first kiosk will open in June 2007 and the one in Braintree opens in September of this year. The picture is an artistic impression of the sales outlet to be realized. (unquote) Tuesday March 27, 2007

    212. Roy on March 28th, 2007 11:14 am

      1906/#210……. I hear you but the way I understand it, Beth heard out of Paulus’s on trap that he picked Joran up at 4:00AM from McDonald’s…..How do you reconcile that?

    213. charlierat on March 28th, 2007 11:45 am

      10061906 is right; you are doing what I figured you would do. I won’t go so far as to say that I want you to do this but I figured it would turn out this way.

      Here’s a couple final thoughts from me and then I’ll stop commenting:

      (1) You all know me and I know all of you. We all know that none of us are going to change each other’s minds about anything. At least we can probably agree on that point.

      The ones you need to worry about are those people that do not know any of us. Those people that went to the show in Boston, who had heard of Natalee Holloway and Aruba but hadn’t paid much attention to the case since main stream media stopped reporting about it in June of 2005, those people who probably had a vague negative impression of Aruba as a result; those are the people that you are alienating right now.

      Those are the people that accepted the handouts and actually went to the Aruba booth to tell them that they would never go to Aruba. Those same people then went home and some of them probably checked out some of the websites mentioned on the handouts, including this one. Can you just imagine what they must think when they read about Aruba being compared to North Korea and read about beaches stacked up with dead bodies and sex slaves. (Yes, all of those outrageous claims were made on this front page by zealous monkeys.) You can’t be helping your cause very much by spewing unmitigated filth about Aruba that no one in their right mind will believe for even a second.

      (2) How’s the collection going to send me to Aruba forever? When you get the money raised, make sure to let Red, Tom or Klaas know. All three of them have my e-mail address. We can work out the transportation arrangements together. And, thank you, monkeys! I knew if I kept it up long enough that there would be someone willing to send me back to paradise!

    214. melanie on March 28th, 2007 11:58 am

      “After all, this is what we want: until there is a solution to Natalee’s case, ATA should be confronted everywhere it puts its hoofprints.”

      ATA is not the ALE . Dont you understand this simple thing Richard ?

    215. melanie on March 28th, 2007 11:59 am

      btw Richard , I am still waiting for your reply to the questions I asked you on the Houdini/Tacopina thread

    216. 10061906 on March 28th, 2007 12:02 pm

      Roy: Mickydee’s was not open at 4:00AM.
      Mcdonalds, St Ana Church, The ATM, the Police station are all within 8 blocks radius of the van der Sloots. Paulus used that as a diversion to detract away from the fact that Joran had Natalee at his apartment. Later Paulus change the statement to 11:00PM which made no sense and caused him to be arrested.
      Natalee was probably abused and her body had to disappear. Injuries would show which would not have occur if it were consensual sex.

      SM: Every time 0 + 0 comes up and you put 0 for the answer, it says you have failed the challenge and we lose all the data. ???

    217. melanie on March 28th, 2007 12:06 pm

      Richard , if you really want the “good” citizens of Aruba to “speak up” and “demand action” from their government on behalf of Natalee’s family and well wishers , calling for a boycott is the worse thing you can do . It only alienates the Aruba population from Natalee’s cause .

      Okay ?

    218. Richard on March 28th, 2007 12:09 pm

      Melanie, I’ll take a look. I did post one reply there.

    219. vicki on March 28th, 2007 12:11 pm

      214# are you th dumb wit here. ATA- ARUBA TOURISM ASSociation[pun intended] who cares about the key stone cops on SATANS ISLAND….Im sick of you STUPID TROLLS…
      PPL that come on this site are going to read about your STINKING RAPING LYING MURDERING PIECE OF SEWERAGE you call home.
      PITY YOU that you live in such a HELL HOLE.
      You all underestimate us AMERICANS and ppl with MORALS.
      GIVE US BACK NATALEE and I dont care what happens on the PATHETIC PLACE.

    220. Richard on March 28th, 2007 12:13 pm

      Hey, folks, this news came in today.

      The Aruba Tourism Authority is going to have a booth at the Sheraton Miami Mart on April 28 and 29, I’m told. I imagine that will be the next U.S. event; at least, I don’t know of any others preceding it. Could be wrong, of course.

      Do we have any people in the Miami area? Please take the lead on this and carry forward our momentum from Boston.

      I’ll be glad to tell you what I thought worked in Boston, and what could have been done better. I’d never arranged any protest before this, so if I can do it, you can do. Ask Red or Tom to send me your email and I’ll reply asap.

      Let’s keep our movement going! Stand up for Natalee in Miami at the end of April!

    221. vicki on March 28th, 2007 12:28 pm

      Richard, you are the best..You are an Angel along with the rest that helped in Boston. “They” think that it was only 5, but we know better. I will be going to MIAMI and I will stand up for NATALEE and be her voice…

    222. JusticeforNatalee on March 28th, 2007 12:55 pm


      You will have to take your boycott complaints to those who did
      “something bad” to Natalee and to those who later assisted or covered up.

      They are the reason for the boycott.

      No justice/No tourists

      It’s that simple.

    223. 10061906 on March 28th, 2007 12:58 pm

      Charlierat: Yes you are correct. My opinion will not change.
      I for one after reading all I have about this case my conclusion is:
      Natalee was either drunk or drugged when she got into Deepak’s taxicab with the globe on the dashboard. His car was in the back parking lot so no one else would hail his car as a cab. Natalee probably thought she was being taken back to the HI.
      She was taken to Joran’s apartment. He knew his father was at the casino and his mother and brothers were in Holland. They stopped and called the others who where at Joran’s to tell them they would soon be there with a girl.
      They picked Natalee out of revenge for spurning Geoffery and Joran’s advances on various occasions since Natalee first got there.
      Joran says she fell at the HI and hit her head which was probably half true.
      He says she wanted to go see the sharks. “Shark Fest” is pimp jargon for Gang bang. He has done this at least twenty times before and nothing has ever happened. Waiting there at Joran’s was at least Freddie and Koen by their own admission. So you have a minimum of five males against one drugged female.
      I feel that repeated doses of starter fluid rendered Natalee unconscious and caused her death from hypoxia.
      Joran described features that could only be known if Natalee were nude.
      This could happen two ways. Joran undressed Natalee at his apartment or there were hidden cameras in some of the rooms at the HI; compliments of Williem von Cromvoirt or Geoffery. Anita describes Natalee’s underwear. This could only happen if when she got back from Holland Natalee’s underwear were still at the Sloot’s property.
      Paulus made sure there was no body no case by having Natalee cremated. This was to avoid a possible autopsy which would show date rape drugs and ether from the starter fluid and other injuries either intentional or accidental.
      She was placed in a crypt at St. Ana cemetery until arrangements could be made which probably took place within three days.
      That is why Paulus hit the ATM almost next door to St. Ana to pay off the caretaker who was later murdered. That is why the Pastor of St. Ana put off talking to Dave Holloway for three days. I could go on and on but I would not be able to prove anything.
      When the king, the queen and their cronies hold the keys to the castle; anything can be made to disappear.
      What you seek is not hidden. (It has been transformed into something unrecognizable)

    224. Disgusted on March 28th, 2007 1:08 pm


      It has been almost two years.. How long do you expect this family to wait for answers?? Covering up for the criminals and protecting those that lied was the worst thing your Government could have done.

      The “Good” citizens of Aruba havent made any stand against your corrupt Gov’t. They are all too scared to do so. You know damn well what the best thing Aruba can do to save there tourism. Prison time for Joran would do him and Aruba a world of good. You cant protect these “pimps” and a few corrupt officials and still expect americans to flock to your happy little island can you?

      I would like to hear you explain to your child in 10 years how you stood up for your “pimp” friends who committed a unspeakable act against a teenage girl. Instead of speaking up for the damage they did to you and the rest of the good people of Aruba.

    225. Patti on March 28th, 2007 1:11 pm



      We missed you. I hope everything is going well for you and I want to thank you for all you did to make this stand in Boston possible. You are an angel, too.

      Hugs to you…


    226. mayan_moons on March 28th, 2007 1:11 pm

      Not a chance melanie….nice try though.

    227. Roy on March 28th, 2007 1:14 pm

      1906….I never assumed McD’s to be open…just a pick up point. I never realized the Sloots lived that close to the HI and Allegro….that is a twist…8 blocks would be nothing for the boy to walk…unless he had an injured person in tow….Now I see why the pick-up and how Joran got home is so pivotal to what happened that night….It could demonstrate just where these kids really were after C&C’s….Why would Paulus try to change the time from 4:00AM to 11:00PM if the 4:00AM time was a diversion. That is something to think about….Thx

    228. melanie on March 28th, 2007 1:18 pm

      ‘No justice/No tourists

      It’s that simple. ‘

      Justice or no justice tourists will still continue going to Aruba (outside of your fanstasy world of course) .

      It’s that simple

    229. JusticeforNatalee on March 28th, 2007 1:21 pm

      P.S. Melanie,

      It has been TWO YEARS since Natalee disappeared, but the good people of Aruba have yet to speak out in Natalee’s behalf.

      Also, all those involved in Natalee’s disappearance could end the boycott today if they just came clean. Seems as though they care more about keeping themselves out of jail instead of saving Aruba.

    230. mayan_moons on March 28th, 2007 1:26 pm

      Thats right vicki…..everybody knows the Aruban officials are liars but have hoped the regular citizens were different (like we used to), maaaan are they about to get a wakeup call!

    231. 10061906 on March 28th, 2007 1:34 pm

      Roy: I made no comment about the Allegro and Hi in my post… Stick to my landmarks. The hi is at least 4 kilometers from the Sloot’s.

    232. melanie on March 28th, 2007 1:38 pm

      ‘Seems as though they care more about keeping themselves out of jail instead of saving Aruba.’

      If you think that Aruba has been destroyed by the ‘boycott’ you are delusional .

    233. Richard on March 28th, 2007 1:41 pm

      And the moral stench of Aruba just keeps wafting over the coral blue seas of the Caribbean … well, pollution is a problem everywhere. Just depends on the kind of pollution, I guess.

      Anyway, an update on the Miami plans of Aruba. I called a contact number that I was given, and evidently Aruba has not yet signed a contract. I’ll check back later on.

      And get this … I was told that Aruba was interested in only a SMALL booth this time.

      Hmm … wonder why that might be? Wonder why they might think that an ostentatious presence isn’t a good idea?

      Could it have anything to do with the slap in the face they got at a recent exhibition at a city that need not be named?

      Nope, that’s not possible. Melanie says not.

    234. mayan_moons on March 28th, 2007 1:52 pm

      lol Richard….you rock man!

      Aruba’s running scared and with good reason as they’ve seen us make good on facing off with them when they bring their pompus ass’s over here to sell more lies!

    235. Roy on March 28th, 2007 1:55 pm

      I am….You said that McDonald’s was within an 8-block radius of the VDS home…..I’m just adding that McDonald’s is across from the Allegro…That’s all….Is that inaccurate?

    236. Observer on March 28th, 2007 1:55 pm

      I would like to hear you explain to your child in 10 years how you stood up for your “pimp” friends who committed a unspeakable act against a teenage girl. Instead of speaking up for the damage they did to you and the rest of the good people of Aruba.

      Comment by Disgusted | March 28, 2007, 1:08 pm

      Whats it gonna be Melanie?? You cant have it both ways.

    237. Huesos on March 28th, 2007 1:59 pm

      I am appalled – how can the suspects and their enablers sleep nights after having seen Dave Holloway grubbing in their, Aruba’s garbage, searching for his daughter’s REMAINS? How can they?

    238. Patti on March 28th, 2007 2:11 pm

      Americans are smart people. They have all the tools available to them to plan a safe and happy holiday. Their own State Department makes annual reports on every country in the world… and they choose not to give their hard-earned money to criminals.

      The people that asked the American people to boycott Aruba were the family of Natalee Ann Holloway. Since the boycott has been put in place, Beth Holloway-Twitt has been busy spreading her message throughout the U.S., at various colleges and universities, to keep the American people informed. She’s not blocking people from going anywhere and neither are we. The only thing that she asks is that they choose their destination wisely. Consult with the State Department and the F.B.I. and get the truth about the things that are taking place at several tourists destinations and make your own decision… hopefully, it will be a wise one. That’s all she can do and that is all any of us can do. Ultimately, it is up to us.

      Beth is a victim of the island of Aruba. She is a victim of a corrupt government that refused to release the body of her daughter because it feared reprisal. The money derived from the tourist trade was more important, in the eyes of the government, than the right of a mother to bury her child. But, perhaps the pain suffered by this mother goes even deeper than that, as she may never know the truth about what happened to Natalee. She was told, several times, by several different people within the government, that her child is dead. She was told by an F.B.I. officer that the dead body of her child was being retrieved… only to have the government of Aruba change their minds. In a country that has lied to her before, there is no doubt that she questions everything. Beth spent months in Aruba looking for her daughter. She hired the best searchers in the world to come and help find her baby. Her baby was never found. The way in which she was treated by the government in Aruba, leaves her with questions that she may have for the rest of her life.

      Is Natalee dead or has she been shipped off to another island or country in a human-trafficking scheme? We may never know… Beth will never know. But to go to an island that has a reputation of such schemes, is probably not wise. Besides, some Americans choose not to go to Aruba in support of Beth. If there is anyone that knows the damage that corruption can reak on a crime victim, it’s Beth Holloway-Twitty.

      In honor of her and the struggle that she went through in search for her daughter, many of us choose to support the boycott which she has asked for. Is that hate? No. Beth spent time with many of the people of the island of Aruba. She spent time with the children at various schools in Aruba, as she is a speech therapist. She doesn’t hate anyone. It is out of her love and concern for her fellow citizens that she does the things that she does. They have Natalee… and she has, only, the power to do what she can to see that it never happens, again.

    239. Miss-Underestimated on March 28th, 2007 2:11 pm


      I think you actually helped the case for us here. People now see how some ppl will go to any length to save the tourism $$ regardless.

      You know that most ppl who have access to the web will not just stop here, they will become curious enuff to search, when they do or did, they will come across alot of interesting details and information about Natalee to come to the conclusion that Aruba is not a safe place for toursts.

      We also are letting them know that Aruba did nothing but try to railroad the two security guards, had it not be for Beth those two would be tried for the murder of Natalee.

    240. JusticeforNatalee on March 28th, 2007 2:14 pm


      We never said there would be zero tourists.

      Even Rudy admits that tourism has taken a hit. tsk tsk

      Also, Aruba is losing its competitive position in the Caribbean.

      Ever hear of the snowball effect? The boycott has only begun.

      P.S. How much money did Aruba lose on its big splashy booth?
      It was no match against five determined Americans rich with freedom of speech and a belief in justice.

      You weren’t in Aruba anymore, now were you?

    241. melanie on March 28th, 2007 2:16 pm

      ‘And get this … I was told that Aruba was interested in only a SMALL booth this time.

      Hmm … wonder why that might be? Wonder why they might think that an ostentatious presence isn’t a good idea?

      Could it have anything to do with the slap in the face they got at a recent exhibition at a city that need not be named?

      Nope, that’s not possible. Melanie says not. ‘

      Keep on dreaming Richard . Probably they figured out that
      they could manage to draw enough positive attnetion even with a smaller booth .

      If they had been ‘slapped’ as you would like to believe , they would have arranged for a bigger and more colorful show next time to make up for the loss .

      And lastly , Florida is not a major market for Aruba

      Got it ?

    242. melanie on March 28th, 2007 2:19 pm

      ‘It was no match against five determined Americans rich with freedom of speech and a belief in justice.’

      Please let me what you think you accomplished by being there ?

    243. Observer on March 28th, 2007 2:28 pm

      I would like to hear you explain to your child in 10 years how you stood up for your “pimp” friends who committed a unspeakable act against a teenage girl. Instead of speaking up for the damage they did to you and the rest of the good people of Aruba.

      Comment by Disgusted | March 28, 2007, 1

      Whats it gonna be melanie? You know damn well Joran drugged and raped other’s before Natalee. You gonna have a daughter or a son?

    244. Miss-Underestimated on March 28th, 2007 2:32 pm

      To the new comers here who have come to look. The following links are very informative. Statements made by the suspects.
      Really informative you can draw your own educated conclusion.

    245. Patti on March 28th, 2007 2:32 pm


      I can’t tell you how rediculous it is to sit here and argue over the size of booths. We are doing what we think is right… and we have that right. You can send as many people as you want in an attempt to peddle your island to our tourists, and we will try to keep them informed…

      … but, ultimately, it is THEIR choice.

      There are countless pages on the forum in which anyone that is interested can look at the evidence that was allowed to be released by the government of Aruba. We have the ability to learn for ourselves and decifer the truth from the lies… and base our decisions, accordingly. The size of booths or the beating of the drums is not what is important to the American people and they will decide what’s best for them and their children… on their own.

    246. Miss-Underestimated on March 28th, 2007 2:35 pm

      Wow Richard, look you got em all coming here to look, great job.

    247. melanie on March 28th, 2007 2:37 pm

      ‘Wow Richard, look you got em all coming here to look, great job.’

      If thats how you gauge the boycott’s success , well then …

    248. melanie on March 28th, 2007 2:38 pm

      “Whats it gonna be melanie? You know damn well Joran drugged and raped other’s before Natalee. You gonna have a daughter or a son? ”

      I do not know that . How do you ?

    249. melanie on March 28th, 2007 2:39 pm

      ‘The size of booths or the beating of the drums is not what is important to the American people and they will decide what’s best for them and their children… on their own.’

      I agree , Patti

    250. JusticeforNatalee on March 28th, 2007 2:41 pm


      This is what we KNOW we accomplished:

      We reminded THOUSANDS of Bostonians that Natalee Holloway, an American citizen, who could very well have been their daughter or someone else they love, has been denied justice. That reminder alone cost you many tourists.

      You know we were effective. That’s why you were sent here to post.

    251. Roy on March 28th, 2007 2:45 pm

      #239. You betcha…Agree 100%… Paulus, Joran, and friends were dead set on framing those security guards…Until I see something that can change my mind on that, I have to stick by that conclusion.
      ….When Antonio Carlo says his client was a major participant to the crimes committed against Natalee… I doubt he was crying, he meant it!
      ….When Paulus was caught up in his lies and got arrested, there was a reason.
      ….2 crime scenes (Malmok & LH,Arashi) depicting assaults of a most heinous nature….clearly demonstrates the intent to deceive…both likely orchestrated to cover for persons unknown and factual crime scene.
      ….The clear rupture of a police force and judicial system with loyalties to political factions instead of the law.
      Inspite of that….We can all still hope!

    252. Miss-Underestimated on March 28th, 2007 2:57 pm

      1906 your right I failed the 0 challenge and lost all my post.


    253. Miss-Underestimated on March 28th, 2007 2:59 pm


      Many a mobster has been sent away by a po’d wife or girlfriend. Remember the movie casino the guy that did the Spilatro bros. He po’d his wife, she went to the feds, he died in jail.

      I think a woman will do em in, if they don’t kill her first.

    254. Observer on March 28th, 2007 3:08 pm

      “Whats it gonna be melanie? You know damn well Joran drugged and raped other’s before Natalee. You gonna have a daughter or a son? ”

      I do not know that . How do you ?

      Comment by melanie | March 28, 2007, 2:38 pm

      Sure you do..Dont lie to me..I guess in your mind Joran learned his lessons and will now be a good citizen the rest of his life??..Dont fool yourself!! He has some major problem’s and you know it!! A African retreat is not the answer..

      I hope you have a daughter..I want to hear what you tell her in 10-20 years. That you stuck up for a bunch of your “pimp” friends who committed unspeakable acts against a teenage girl. Instead of speaking up for the damage they did to you and the rest of the good people of Aruba.

    255. Roy on March 28th, 2007 3:18 pm

      Sorry…Never saw that movie…Always had a thing for movies with a historical flavor…. Iffn you’re right about the woman, I would hope she has some true friends.

    256. melanie on March 28th, 2007 3:29 pm

      ‘You know we were effective. That’s why you were sent here to post.’

      Wake up , nobody sent me here to post. I am here to remind you how usless your effort has been . LOL

    257. Richard on March 28th, 2007 3:35 pm

      I’m sure we’re all amused by seeing Melanie and her cohorts, kith and kin rushing here to tell us how unimportant the Boston event was … which, of course, explains why they are so determined to keep saying the same thing for hours and hours on end. Anyway, nobody takes them seriously.

      But they did accomplish one thing: they brought to mind one of my favorite lines from Shakespeare, I think in “Timon of Athens.” I can’t think of anything more appropriate as what is, hopefully, a valediction to the Aruba lackeys:

      “Were I like thee, I’d throw away myself.”

    258. JusticeforNatalee on March 28th, 2007 3:52 pm

      Melanie, Melanie,

      Do you think your opinion really matters to me?

      I know for a fact that we made an impact in Boston.
      Guess who told me that? Bostonians! That’s right!
      Your never-again tourists!

      Anyway, I don’t want to waste any more time responding to
      your pathetic ramblings.

      After all, this is not Melanie’s blog, It is Red and Tom’s blog.

      Will you be seeing your pimp buddies tonight?

    259. Miss-Underestimated on March 28th, 2007 3:58 pm

      Sunday, October 09, 2005
      Interview with Judge who refused search of Van der sloot home
      Curacao: In a rare interview and one that may cause controvery, the judge who denied Police warrants to search the home of Paulus Van der sloot gave a candid interview tonight.

      When asked why he didn’t feel a search of the van der sloot property was necessary he stated, ” it would have been a conflict of interest as I was staying with Paulus and Anita at the time.”

      The judge said he often stays with the family when he comes to Aruba to preside over hearings. “Paulus and I have worked well together for years so it was nothing unusual.

      Huh Judgey a conflict of interest to search the house, No judgey was a conflict when you did not allow the search. So I’m wonderin Judgey, do you have Anita’s camera?

    260. jackie on March 28th, 2007 4:14 pm

      Don’t mind charlierat there is a rat in the name for good reason. Way to go Boston Five! Keep Natalee alive, in the minds of all who care about what happened to her and put their own loved ones in her and her families situation. Aruba shame shame shame. I resent very much your advertising of your Island. I have been seeing more and more commercials, it only reminds me of how you failed Natalee and makes me angry. I will never visit your Island. Joran van der Sloot is the apple that did not fall far from the tree. The tree produces bad fruit and the apple is rotten. Anita van der sloot and Pauluus van der Sloot must be so disappointed in their son regardless of their claims of pride. Sure you love your children but how disappointing that their son will have the name of Natalee Holloway pretty much tattooted to his forehead until he tells the truth, regardless of how bad the truth is. I wonder if Joran has peace always wondering if one of his sidekicks will come out with the truth or if he can trust what comes out of his mouth in his sleep or drunkedness. Prayers to Natalee and her family for peace. Prayers for truth from the van liar slootsa.

    261. IndyDan on March 28th, 2007 4:21 pm

      Hey Richard,
      You don’t suppose this melanie could be the obnoxious blonde ATA woman you mentioned above do you? She sure seems dialed in on you.
      After catching up on the posts here today I couldn’t help but recall one of my favorite lines “when you’re on the Titanic, you don’t stand there screaming at the iceberg – you load the lifeboats” This thread sure has brought out a lot of screamers.

    262. IndyDan on March 28th, 2007 4:22 pm

      #252 – MissU,
      It took me a few lost posts to figure out that 0+0=Nothing! LOL!

    263. 10061906 on March 28th, 2007 4:27 pm

      Roy: Apparently I owe you an apology. Mcd’s is in Palm Beach. Wendy’s is closer to Montana. Joran would have had to have a ride home. He could walk but I think he is too lazy for that type of excerise. In that case it was probably just a rouse to try to prove Joran was closer to the beach rather than at home. There fore Paulus lied twice.

    264. Maggie on March 28th, 2007 4:46 pm

      Wake up, for something that was a useless effort Melanie, you sure have spent a lot of time the past 3 days here talking about it,,,,Where were you 4 days ago? It’s people like you that have turned so many against Aruba. Arrogant self centered and cold. Damage control? Maybe you can go find Steve Cohen for us since he was going to let everyone know who that was on the casino tape by Natalee over a year ago. Did ya’ll “leave him on the beach at 3am to look at stars” too?!

      It don’t take a rocket scientist to figure out what happened to Natalee. People don’t just wander off in space on an island that small and poof and they don’t die accidently and bury themselves or take themselves out to sea in a crate. Not one piece of evidence that Natalee was on the beach that night, NONE, but evidence of a crime. Natalee has not been seen alive again since leaving CnC’s with those 3. Know anyone who has seen her since? People don’t engage in 2 years of criminal behaviour when they are innocent. Joran was engaged in criminal and deceitful behaviour the night he met the MB students. Then they want to write books etc to try to make a profit off of it.

      Imagine getting a call from your father that a family and the police are at the house about a missing girl, and the first thing you do is start to think up lies, lots of lies about the missing girl. He has not met the family yet, but decides to lie. How many here would go out on a date and find out the next night the girl you were with is missing and immediately begin to engage in criminal behaviour if you are innocent? Then say when you get the house, I don’t know her or her name and go into detail all kinds of sexual stuff including describing the girls underwear and framing 2 men..who were held for kidnapping and murder. He felt bad about leaving a girl on the beach, he felt so bad he let 2 guys sit in jail for over a week for kidnapping and murder and lied and lied and lied and lied some more.

      Speaking of low fruit, some of the “fruit” couldn’t get any lower.

    265. mayan_moons on March 28th, 2007 4:53 pm

      Yeah Miss-U

      The whole point of the Judge coming to Aruba we were told was to avoid *conflict of interest* remember! Couldn’t they find a judge that didn’t have PJ sleepovers with Paul/ASS?

    266. Carpe Noctem on March 28th, 2007 4:54 pm

      1906….I never assumed McD’s to be open…just a pick up point. I never realized the Sloots lived that close to the HI and Allegro….that is a twist…8 blocks would be nothing for the boy to walk…unless he had an injured person in tow….Now I see why the pick-up and how Joran got home is so pivotal to what happened that night….It could demonstrate just where these kids really were after C&C’s….Why would Paulus try to change the time from 4:00AM to 11:00PM if the 4:00AM time was a diversion. That is something to think about….Thx

      It is interesting, Roy.

      I find it ESPECIALLY INTERESTING, and worth further
      review when Deepak says in a witness statement:

      5 MIN CELL CALL 5/30/2005

      “The phone reception was terrible, there were times I
      could barel make out what he was saying.


      He said he left the girl 1 meter (3.28 feet)
      from the water on the beach. He said that they had gone
      in the water, and then she fell asleep.



      Many months later after Joran had plenty time to realize how effin stupid his stories are, changed it to she fell asleep near the FH, dry.

      No trip into the water, like he told Deepak.

      Joran Van der sloot is Natalee’s murderer IMO — Of this
      I have very little doubt.

      Joran’s brain is shouting to me:

      “Goddess see the blame, get the hurt. What a murder;
      I am the one.” -J4N

    267. mayan_moons on March 28th, 2007 4:57 pm

      Oh and just to add another twist in the jammy’s didn’t we have the vander rapes go bunky with Ben King whilst the so called *search* took place?

    268. Roy on March 28th, 2007 5:01 pm

      1906: I don’t know which is the lies or exactly what their significance is but I’m just trying to catch up on the layout of Aruba…something I should have done ages ago… I appreciate you getting back to me as I was getting confused…. The 4AM statement still looks awfully promising…The Kalpoes I believe deny ever having gone to the VDS home that night…..If that’s true, he had to get home somehow. The only other piece of information anywhere of Joran getting home is the pick up at McDonald’s. Ruse or not…Beth heard it….sounds like he put his foot in his mouth….Will just store it away…Maybe you’re right. Thx again.

    269. mayan_moons on March 28th, 2007 5:02 pm

      Hey jacki….great post….i hope you can spare some time to help us put up a blockade on these Aruba ads and travel shows.

      These Aruban’s have no shame!

    270. Carpe Noctem on March 28th, 2007 5:07 pm

      PVDS 06/25/2005 ALE STATEMENT

      On your question on which day did Joran tell me the story about dropping the missing girl at the “Holiday Inn Hotel”, I can explain to you the following:

      I heard the story for the first time in the night of May 30 2005 around 03.00am when the people came to my house and he told the story to the people.

      On your question when did I ask when we were at the “Holiday inn hotel” on the night of May 30 2005, if the camera worked, I can explain to you the following:

      I didn’t ask this myself. I overheard the woman that worked behind the check-in counter talking about the cameras at the check-in counter.
      On your question if I heard the conversation between Joran and the stepfather of the girl when they were talking, I can explain to you the following:

      No, the conversation was between Joran and WILLIAMS and I didn’t hear what they spoke to each other.


    271. melanie on March 28th, 2007 5:24 pm

      “I know for a fact that we made an impact in Boston.
      Guess who told me that? Bostonians! That’s right!
      Your never-again tourists!”

      Thats right ! You did make an impact by providing Bostonians with some free entertainment .

    272. mayan_moons on March 28th, 2007 5:25 pm

      post#262 lol Indydan!

    273. Roy on March 28th, 2007 5:29 pm

      Carpe: I’ve no doubt in my mind that Joran’s lied…. We agree on more than you perhaps realize….I cannot however put faith in the statement of a Kalpoe…So I expect there are lies in his statements as well. Him telling Deepak he left her on the beach is not revealing enough for a conclusive opinion….He does not say where, with whom, or what became of her….At that point, Deepak and his “OTHER PEOPLE” buddies may have went back for her OR the child was removed from the beach by Joran with his “OTHER PEOPLE” friends, picked up by Dad, and taken back to the Sloot home///or a combination of both.

    274. melanie on March 28th, 2007 5:31 pm

      ‘I’m sure we’re all amused by seeing Melanie and her cohorts, kith and kin rushing here to tell us how unimportant the Boston event was … which, of course, explains why they are so determined to keep saying the same thing for hours and hours on end. Anyway, nobody takes them seriously.’

      Come on Richard , be honest . You wouldnt have bothered to respond if you didnt take it seriously . :)

    275. 10061906 on March 28th, 2007 5:32 pm

      Roy: This is the map I try to use along with the Google aerial photo.

      Its a little odd the island is on its side?

    276. Molly on March 28th, 2007 5:43 pm

      0 + 0 got my post erased, too. Give me some hard math!

      molly (in Houston)

    277. Carpe Noctem on March 28th, 2007 5:56 pm

      273 – Roy, while I agree that the Kalpoes are not boyscouts…
      & at times they are allergic to the truth…

      Remember 2 Kalpoes said it – separate interviews.

      The cell records back this up.


      Two stinky Kalpoe equal to 1 Van der Sloot, in a bush.

    278. Carpe Noctem on March 28th, 2007 6:05 pm
    279. Miss-Underestimated on March 28th, 2007 6:35 pm

      Wasn’t Joran good girlfriend Melanie?

    280. Roy on March 28th, 2007 6:52 pm

      Carpe: Those cell phone records weren’t courtesy of ArubaFastPhones, were they? The same guy who wished he had never heard of Natalee, or words to that effect. Charles Croes I believe?

    281. Observer on March 28th, 2007 7:14 pm


      I think Jorans-X was Melody

      Melanie still never answered my question.. It figures..

    282. Carpe Noctem on March 28th, 2007 7:14 pm

      Yes, Roy you are correct, we agree on a number
      of things. We not agree on some others, which
      is just fine. I believe each one of us has
      a slice of the “pie” of how Nat was murdered
      in Aruba. (some think she went missing – I
      believe she was made to go missing.)

      phone chatter & records:

      I believe they are Government documents. Which
      one, not quite sure. This should be fun soon.

      …and it’s ’bout time!

      I wanna see the look on Paulus’ face when
      his last card is played out, & he’s left holdin’
      his lint brush. That sorry hefty cinch sack.

      Paulus Van der sloot is one awful,
      awful human being. IMO

    283. Carpe Noctem on March 28th, 2007 7:17 pm



    284. Carpe Noctem on March 28th, 2007 7:35 pm

      5 MIN CELL CALL 5/30/2005

      “The phone reception was terrible, there were times I
      could barel make out what he was saying.


      Have you ever carried sacks of groceries up or
      down a few flights of stairs?

      If you are fit, it’ll leave even the best athlete or sporter
      “HUFFIN’ IT” like a “mug.”

      If you are Dennis Jacobs it would lead to
      a cardiac arrest trip to the emergency room!

    285. Carpe Noctem on March 28th, 2007 7:50 pm

      Why does a father need to bring a tennis bag

      to a son who has skipped his tennis lesson?


      Why can’t HIS OWN FATHER remember the act?


      Why is he bringing it to Joran in transit (walking within a stone’s throw of THE MARRIOTT PALM BEACH ARUBA?

      Dateline: 5-30-205. In a time cell when NOBODY CAN

      VOUCH for JORAN or Paulus’ whereabouts? hmmm

      Would Paulus be picking up, or would

      that jackass be delivering to his carnivore

      cub? (a bag)


      pic of Joran’s bag


    286. IndyDan on March 28th, 2007 8:43 pm

      #279 – MissU,
      Joran’s only real girlfriends were those that would perform in front of a camera without being drugged.

    287. IndyDan on March 28th, 2007 8:57 pm

      Carpe – #285,
      “why does a father bring…………”

      Because it accounts for some minute detail Paulus needs to cover. He’s fuzzy on the things that don’t fit their ‘storyline’ but he’s precise on those issues that might make a case against them.
      So start looking closer at the points they don’t have a good memory of.

    288. arubagirl on March 28th, 2007 8:57 pm

      I apologize San, apparently I misread your post. I thought you were implying that I knew what happened and I was keeping it a secret from authorities.

    289. IndyDan on March 28th, 2007 9:35 pm

      Some thoughts:
      Given the number of arrests of all the young boys in the Natalee case – I think it’s safe to say that these guys had a little rape scheme going on with young tourist girls. Joran and the Kalpoe’s FU’d, their victim died.

      It was a simple shut and close case, JK2 kidnapped, raped and killed Natalee.

      Some in the ALE saw it that way and wanted to close the case. But higher authorities stepped in and squashed the investigation.

      The simple minded that run Aruba thought at first it would be simply “just one girl” who cares? Then they got mad because they found that Americans do care. So then they went on the attack and tried to make the family responsible. When that didn’t work they had their lackeys go on TV to make it look like it was the victims own fault.
      Then they marched thru the young predators to the court system hoping for a show. Problem is the legal system in Aruba has no authority. They are just subservant goons.

      Now we got all the tourism whores posting here trying to separate their industry, their means, from the truth about this dirty little corrupt island.

      The Boston5 made a huge impact, otherwise we’d never have heard from some of our newer commenters.

    290. Roy on March 28th, 2007 9:36 pm

      #283…. When did that happen? The fire.


      SM:   If you are referring to the fire at Moomba’s it happened last night.   Evidentally the roof above the kitchen and most of the items in the kitchen are destroyed but the rest of the place is OK.   There is an article about it in today’s Diario (klaasend)

    291. mayan_moons on March 28th, 2007 10:26 pm

      I agree IndyDan…..The Boston Five landed some killer punch and no ammount of money ATA throws at it is going to keep them off their knee’s.

    292. mayan_moons on March 28th, 2007 10:31 pm

      so where are they hiding the psycho? Africa i hear?

      why’d he have to run away from Holland?

    293. Carpe Noctem on March 28th, 2007 10:38 pm

      Oh, now there is an image! :lol:

      A family of pygmies adopt
      Joran, ram a bone through
      his nose

      … and in his next interview
      he starts making knocking/clicking noises
      with his tongue.

      “I lied… and dat is the… knock click knock knock click knock knock!”

    294. mayan_moons on March 28th, 2007 10:55 pm

      lol Carpe…you have a way of making anything fun/funny!

    295. mayan_moons on March 28th, 2007 10:57 pm

      I was feeling lil cranky till ya put that image in my mind.


    296. mayan_moons on March 28th, 2007 11:00 pm

      Just looking at that Aruba booth is sickening…..what happened to Ogoober’s plan to attend his booth?

    297. arubaboy on March 28th, 2007 11:15 pm

      Guess what.. Bluejet announced they will start flying from Boston to Aruba. O yes the Boston5 made a huge impact.


      SM:   Nice try arubaboy but that was announced BEFORE the Boston Trade Show ;)   (klaasend)

    298. maddyson on March 28th, 2007 11:51 pm

      #294 I understand why you find him funny.

    299. maddyson on March 28th, 2007 11:53 pm

      I hope a lot of you folk can get yourself lawyered up on a moments notice. Developing a close relationship with a lawyer might be advisable.

    300. minnesota dad on March 29th, 2007 12:13 am

      Just a silly question while we all wait for May 30th to hit and Aruba to wash their hands calling this a ‘cold case;….

      Whatever happened to the girl that Joran was groping at the hotel about a year ago??? The one where the Enquirer and everyone else had photos…

      This was a very curious event. With everything going on, what were they trying to prove with this PR stunt? I know that the NY judge was in the process of ruling. Was this done to show that Joran wasn’t the psychopath everyone knows him to be???

      She shows up in a bunch of pictures and disappears. What happened to this sweet girl? md

    301. Carpe Noctem on March 29th, 2007 12:26 am

      Not sure, MD. :?: Good question!

      Anyone else know?


      Thanks, mm.

      Here is the latest ZZ entry out today!

      Tuesday, March 27, 2007

      It can only be one thing. One thing that will destroy tourism FOREVER. A secret no one will ever accept. Something even more horrendous than anything mentioned to date.

      The main questions through-out the case of Natalee Holloway are : What is so important that Aruba will give the main suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway a free pass? What does Paulus Van Der Sloot know, or who does he know?

      Everyone asks themselves the same questions over and over again. Almost as if by repeatedly asking those questions, the answers will magically appear. In the short history of the Net, Natalee Holloway is probably the most discussed person. Bloggers and Posters have gathered more info in her case than any other. Even with all the info collected, questions are still not answered.

      All of the corruption, malfeasance, drugs, prostitution, gangland murders, smuggling, human trafficking, persons being held captive by Ministry Officials all pale in comparison to the REAL Aruban secret.

      Drugs and prostitution are not the secret, they are out there for everyone to see, and some actually seek out Aruba as a travel destination for those vices.

      Gambling and money laundering? Again the answer is no. Anyone looking to gamble can go to Vegas or Atlantic City. It’s hardly a vice anymore. Even your Grandmother is in a NCAA Basketball Pool and everyone knows that money laundering has being happening on Aruba for decades, it’s not a secret.

      Is it Child Porn? This is one area that everyone seems to agree upon. It’s disgusting and needs to be eliminated. The Diario briefly touched on this subject last year. Unfortunately they never seemed to complete the story and name who was involved. They just left it at – ‘Elders’. I do not think this is the issue that is keeping SURVIVORS in the dark.

      So what is it?

      It is the bodies of the DEAD. Those missing on Aruba and those either VICTIMS of CRIMES or persons who had a tragedy befall them. Where are they and who is responsible for the decisions to make them ‘missing’? This is the issue that no one will accept from Aruba. Imagine for a second that your mother, father, brother or sister went missing on Aruba. Would you recommend Aruba as a travel destination? Imagine for a second that someone is deliberately ‘disappearing’ them to protect tourism. No one would ever recommend Aruba. No travel agent and no ‘good’ word of mouth would ever be spoken about Aruba again.

      I know of about 11 persons missing on Aruba, counting an Aruban woman from about 4 years ago. Those are official ‘MISSING PERSONS’ and not those that are ‘off the books’.

      Sure crime happens everywhere, we all know that. It is part of the Human Condition. A condition that has not seen much improvement over the last 100 years even though there has been an Industrial Revolution that has lifted many out of poverty. As I learned growing up, ‘A rising tide lifts all ships’. Well, that is not necessarily so. There will always be predators and those they prey upon. There are many cases of people with infinite wealth that are also predators. Money alone does not make someone a good and honorable person. Predators do not care about wealth or a stable living environment, they only care about themselves.

      Aruba does all to protect TOURISM. They go so far as to protect the very people that harm others (Tourists) on the Island. That alone is convoluted and twisted. How can any society flourish when some get preferential treatment? I read day after day in the Diario of people convicted of crimes on Aruba. However, very very few ever seem to be Dutch. The Aruban Authorities could argue that they do prosecute criminals. The disproportionate numbers surely reflect the true nature of their Justice System. A home divided.

      Starting in 1986, Aruba received their Separate Status from Holland and here is where the trouble started. In an effort to transform Aruba into something heavenly, all talk of crime seized. No one wants to go anywhere where crime is rampant. Would you take your kids to Bogotá? Or how about Baghdad? I doubt it.

      Throughout the years Aruba has been confronted with crime, just like every state in the USA and Holland. Unfortunately, they decided to do the WRONG thing and hoped no one would notice. Well, no one really noticed except for a few of us that had been going to Aruba and had seen the changes with our own eyes. I had heard of people missing from a cab driver or two. It was always followed with, so and so ran away, or that person was involved in an insurance scam or even that person wanted a less complicated life and decided to change their name.

      I would always wonder to myself, why would they all be picking Aruba to make this life changing move? Are they dishing out new passports with no questions asked?

      As time passed on, I began to become concerned about Aruba. I had friends there and knew something wasn’t right. There was something that many on the island knew, but no one wanted to divulged. Such as the time I asked a friend who was the son of a Retired High Commissioner for information in Natalee’s case that I could take to Beth and Dave. He replied, ‘I am not the person to give you THAT info’. The info is on Aruba, but no one will provide it. Friendships fall to the side when you want to help someone in pain.

      When Natalee became a CRIME VICTIM on Aruba, the ALE and Aruban Authorities used the ole tried and true mantras, only this time they didn’t work. Some of us were already highly suspicious about crime on Aruba. It didn’t take long to find out what we all suspected. Crimes go unpunished and paperwork, files and declarations end up in the circular file under Dennis Jacobs’ desk.

      When Max DeVries became a CRIME VICTIM on Aruba, it could be theoretically argued that he did not wash shore. Even though the tests Aruba conducted during the Natalee Holloway investigation using dummies found that they did wash up on shore unless they were out 2.5 miles. In that case the dummies floated in the direction of Panama. According to info, Max was out on the jet-ski for 45 minutes and could have been beyond the 2.5 miles. Max was out 15 minutes longer than the rental time allotted. When David Stacey, the man Max went jet-skiing with was found, he was in possession of both jet-skis and Max was no where to be found. It would be interesting to see the records of where Mr. Stacey was located. How far out was Mr. Stacey?

      In the case of Willard ‘Buddy’ Larson, he never even made it into the water. It’s very hard to say that he floated all the way to Panama from dry land. In Buddy’s case, he seems to have bought a hotel, air, and windsurfing package. When he went to get his equipment to windsurf, reports are that the supplier of the equipment did not have his equipment and that was the last time anyone saw Mr. Larson. Again, it’s hard to fathom that he floated to Panama. Where are the reports regarding Mr. Larson’s case? And for that matter, where is Mr. Larson.

      On an Island only 77 square miles, it’s hard to imagine that he completely disappeared. It is also possible that the people that owned the windsurfing shop, disposed of Mr. Larson at sea. Those with water sports businesses generally do own boats. Where are the declarations in Mr. Larson’s case? Someone must have been questioned in his case and why were no charges ever brought? These are questions that demand answers so that the Family members can have complete closure.

      Paulus Van Der Sloot would have been in the position to know many of the intimate details of all of the cases I have just mentioned, and could have blackmailed those involved in the ‘missing person body squad’ ran by Dirty Hand Edwin Comemencia.

      When Paulus Van Der Sloot started the Holiday Inn story it seems it was to buy some time. He then used his friends and associates to do his ultimate DIRTY work.

      When Paulus Van Der Sloot threatened the ALE, The Aruban Prosecutor’s Office and the Aruban Government with telling all about the ‘Body Squad’ things changed instantly.

      This happened on 6-10-2005.

      Phones calls WIRETAPPED by the Aruban Prosecutor’s Office will reveal the extent of these treats. These threats were made directly to Jan Van Der Straaten, Former Chief of Polis.

      Aruba we are not going away and we ARE going to find out what happened to all these innocent people and what you did with them if it takes the rest our lives. And believe me, WE WILL find out!

      Posted by Zoltan at 10:02 AM


    302. Carpe Noctem on March 29th, 2007 12:31 am

      Until The End.

    303. mayan_moons on March 29th, 2007 12:33 am

      Are you talking about the blonde girl MD?

    304. mayan_moons on March 29th, 2007 12:38 am

      hahaha Most certain we hit a nerve, they can dish it out but they can’t take it!

    305. Carpe Noctem on March 29th, 2007 12:39 am

      And lastly , Florida is not a major market for Aruba

      Got it ?



      Either you’ve had a sun stroke, or your
      waterbong was been frontloaded by Rick James…


      FOR LIE-RUBA. Used to be anyway! Until

      you guys started to throw SUCK-FEST 2005.


    306. katablog on March 29th, 2007 1:01 am

      Way to go Boston 5.

      to the Arubans:
      You can argue. You can tell us how great your show was in Boston and how the tourists are flocking to your one little crappy island, but it doesn’t change things any more than all of Joran’s stories change what really happened to Natalee Holloway.

      Yes, there were only 5 Monkeys at Boston, but then we don’t all live there. We feel fortunate that we had 5 and at least one of them was smart enough to get a protest permit. I wouldn’t have realized that was necessary. So have your next show in another place and let’s see how many Monkeys live there!

    307. Observer on March 29th, 2007 1:24 am

      MD Dad,

      Dont think that was a PR

      I think that was Joran showing everyone once again that he does what he wants. Showing off because he think’s he is untouchable. He has been bold and arrogant throughout this whole nightmare. He drugs,rapes and kills a young girl and then tells 22 diffrent lies/stories about it. He flies to NY and lies some more to millions on a Major TV station. Then he writes a book. He is probably writing the script for a movie as we speak.

      Joran need’s prison not a retreat in Africa!!

      “I lied and thats the truth”–Joran Van Der Sloot

    308. mayan_moons on March 29th, 2007 1:50 am

      He must be hiding coz as Robert told us last time he was here that guys his age & older didn’t want his ass arround them & their female friends!

    309. Carpe Noctem on March 29th, 2007 4:57 am


      CharlieRat sez:

      “I knew if I kept it up long enough that there would be someone willing to send me back to paradise!”

      Yes, but do you really think that Chik-Fil-A / Bessemer
      will be willing to give you the entire weekend off?

      Go pound sand,
      Tucan Sam. DOH!

    310. Richard on March 29th, 2007 6:42 am

      Joran should indeed go to Africa and fraternize with the pygmies. There’s something appropriate about that … on the moral level, they tower over him and his cohorts.

      Except that I doubt Africa needs more problems.

      IndyDan (261) … could well be the obnoxious ATA lady. She certainly seems to have a psychological need to be here hour after hour telling us how useless our vigil was.

      I quoted Shakespeare before, so I’ll do it again:

      Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

      Using “lady” merely to be polite, of course.

      Mayan Moons was asking about Goober … I mean, Oduber. At one point there was a huge white stretch limousine parked across the road, the kind that no sane person would want to be in (so they’re used for politicians, successful gamblers, et al).

      We were wondering … however, I imagine that the report about his showing up was merely a rumor. Thank God.

    311. Achilles on March 29th, 2007 7:38 am

      This name seems to be coming up a lot lately EDWIN COMEMENCIA, maybe shangos dirty hand?

    312. Miss-Underestimated on March 29th, 2007 8:26 am

      I hear Aruba had a small booth this year, they knew enuff not to put too much money into a market that was going nowhere.

      Does anyone remember the exact words that Dave was told when he went to the polis to tell them Natalee was missing?
      I think we should share all of that information to the newcomers who want to hear the story.

      I will share this…Paulus Vandersloot told the boyz…”no body no case” now how did/does Pauless know Natalee was/is a corpse.

      Keep reading folks, theres lots more from where that came from.

    313. SUPER DAVE on March 29th, 2007 8:34 am

      not related to the Natalee case but this morning on MSN. judge in The Hauge says it’s ok for drug smuggler to deduct cost of buying and shipping hasish from his taxes. kind of sums up why Natalee’s case goes unsolved today !

    314. Roy on March 29th, 2007 10:07 am

      Joran hides in Holland…….in Aruba……in Africa……. at World Cup Soccer Matches……in Paris……in clubs……in college…….in New York…..lord knows where else.
      Deepak Kalpoe hides… home, under his bed.

      What’s wrong with that picture?

    315. dennisintn on March 29th, 2007 10:42 am

      #3l0, the only thing jvds would be useful for in africa would be as bait in a tiger trap.

    316. Miss-Underestimated on March 29th, 2007 10:47 am


      If Deepickle leaves the island (if he can) will they allow him back?

      Hey Carpe. LOL Rick James?

    317. Miss-Underestimated on March 29th, 2007 10:51 am

      I wonder how many lawyers have a blog nic that has a reference to a Rat?

    318. SUPER DAVE on March 29th, 2007 11:09 am

      the aruban trolls are definitely running scared. i have to wonder how much white bread the ata had to dole out as payment for their comments ? i bet it was a ham sandwich complete with white bread per comment.

    319. Miss-Underestimated on March 29th, 2007 11:19 am


      Yeah there is plenty of pork on the island. Perfumed even.

    320. Roy on March 29th, 2007 12:10 pm

      #316… Prolly not…. I get the impression Aruba’s about the safest place on Earth for this little piggie! Everybody needs a place to call home I guess.

    321. Richard on March 29th, 2007 12:33 pm

      This thread certainly has gotten long.

      Anyway, if Melanie and the others of her ilk assail us for using the embargo tool as a means of getting answers in Natalee’s case … let them suggest something else we can do.

      Just sit quietly, with our hands folded? Nope.

      Just trust Aruba? That’s so stupid I won’t even bother.

      Just say, as did an Aruban official, “She just disappeared.”
      Didn’t happen without someone bringing it about.

      Far as I’m concerned, Aruba is an unsafe place to go, above and beyond the moral argument of supporting Natalee’s family. Unsafe in that clearly the locals are indifferent.

      We owe Aruba NOTHING. And let’s give them what we owe them, and not a penny more.

    322. 10061906 on March 29th, 2007 12:35 pm

      I was reviewing a news program from 6/05. It said that police were collecting DNA samples from the three suspects; Joran and the K2′s.
      Isn’t that a little premature? Usually a body is recovered and DNA samples are taken from the body. Later when suspects are apprehended then you take DNA samples to compare to what was on the victim.
      The ALE did not say they recovered Natalee’s body so why would they collect DNA samples so soon from the suspects? Unless…….

    323. vicki on March 29th, 2007 1:05 pm

      your right 1906, once again… they must have had Natalee….

    324. Miss-Underestimated on March 29th, 2007 1:15 pm

      1906, so then on 06/10/05 for the sake of news.

      Joran confesses and lead the ALE to the body of Natalee.

      Then nothing ***nada***nemo****

      It was a freegen “CLERICAL ERROR”

      Now Aruba you’ve got the clerical error -.0000in your bank account of tourism.

    325. Roy on March 29th, 2007 1:22 pm

      Good point 1906….If I might add, then Aruba goes thru the trouble of collecting a DNA sample from Natalee’s toothbrush and identifying it as male DNA….something like that…. Under what impression would Aruban LE be to do that…. And the Rafini condoms… What comparisons are they getting at? It is thought provoking.

    326. Carpe Noctem on March 29th, 2007 4:20 pm


      Deepak Kalpoe hides… home, under his bed.

      What’s wrong with that picture?

      The fact that his mother is probably also
      curled up with him under it too! =)

      Ewwww… poor Dee-packie, mommie come
      and save woo! ROFL That kid is like
      the world’s biggest wuss, next to
      Dilbert-tron-o-stein, of course. -j4n

    327. 10061906 on March 29th, 2007 4:40 pm

      For the sake of argument, I believe the story that was going to be told was that JK2′S took Natalee to the California lighthouse. While IN the lighthouse, Natalee fell down the stairs or whatever. If I can recall how the K2′S said something bad happened; that is what it sounded like they were going to elude to; Natalee was drunk, we all had CONSENSUAL sex with her and she fell, hit her head and died. We left the body in the lighthouse. That would have been the end of the story and Natalee would have been returned. So they take Natalee from the van der Sloot’s, place her in a crypt for a few days and now they will recover her body. However the story had to change abruptly; because a light house security guard said that the doors to the CLH were locked. So there is no way that Natalee could have fallen inside the lighthouse.
      Timing of all the statements that everyone was making during these ten days from May 30th are very important. However; I haven’t found a timeline for this aspect of the case.
      Something happened or was revealed that made it imperative for the story to change to that “I left Natalee on the beach”. The story has to point in that direction away from van der Sloot’s property. Paulus also had to give himself and Joran an alibi and that was he picked up Joran at McDonalds. Again away from Montana and towards Palm Beach. Water searches again away from Montana. Searches on the dunes again away from Montana.
      I also think that Paulus admitted to van der Straaten that something bad happened; but it happened on HIS property. Also there were many other male perpetrators involved. Once it was determined how extensive the crime was and where, who and how many were involved, it was much easier to say that Natalee was a missing person. If the body were recovered then there would be a trial and a lot of individuals would have been exposed during testimony. There could be no trial because a slight slip of the tongue would/could incriminate individuals who up to this time have remained anonymous. Exit Van Der Straaten, enter Dennis Jacobs. Dompig was out of the loop until he discovered his son was also involved.
      So I may be stuck on stupid but I still feel Natalee was taken to the Van der Sloots, she was sexually abused and drugged, died there, was removed to the St Ana Cemetery and later cremated. “No body no case”.

    328. Carpe Noctem on March 29th, 2007 4:45 pm

      yeah mayan,

      Remember Rick? lol

    329. Maggie on March 29th, 2007 4:50 pm

      PVS statement June 18th.

      Between 17.00 hours and 18.30 hours, I dropped off Joran in front of the entrance of the Aruba Raquet Club with my Suzuki so that he could take tennis lessons and go to the gym. He probably had his carrying bag with tennis necessities with him. I saw him enter the building. HE HAD TOLD ME THAT HE WOULD BE AFTERWARDS BE GOING TO THE WYNDHAM HOTEL because a “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” would be held.

      PVS statement
      One of the
      Americans told me that it was about a girl my son had met at
      “Carlos & Charlies”. I told him immediately that it could not have
      been my son because he had played in a “free tournament” at
      the Holiday in during the afternoon and that I had picked him
      up at 23.00 hours at “Mc Donalds”. I then went to Joran’s
      apartment and to my surprise and to my anger he was not in
      his apartment. I then called him on his mobile phone. He immediately
      answered his phone. I asked him where he was and the told me
      he was at the “Wyndham”. THAT HE WAS AT THE “WYNDHAM” DID NOT SURPRISE ME AT THAT MOMENT. He was supposed to be playing
      in the “Free tournament” there. That could also be a clue that I
      indeed did not see him after I had dropped him off at the
      “Raquet Club”.

      Nova interview June 29, 2005

      HOST: Twan, let’s go back to Monday evening, the thirtieth of May. That was a crucial night. What happened then?

      Reporter: It is the evening, Jeroen, on which the parents of Natalee fly into Aruba. More precisely, the mother and the stepfather. They don’t believe she just walked away, or that there is nothing wrong. They are sure something serious is going on. So they take the first plane from Alabama, where they are from, to here, Aruba, and arrive in the evening. They go to the Police and together go to the house of Joran, of the van der Sloot family . Then, it is night already, around two. In the middle of the night, they arrive there with a company of Police and other people and they ring. The father, van der Sloot is sleeping, he opens the door and asks, “What is going on? Why are you here?” ” For our disappeared daughter, who was last seen with your son.” He doesn’t know all that yet. The father van der Sloot goes to an apartment, next to the house, where Joran always sleeps and opens the door and Joran is not in his apartment. He is not sleeping there. And then, the father picks up the mobile phone, he calls his son and he appears to be in a casino somewhere here on Aruba at that time. And that is where we pick up the story. The son is in a casino and eventually there is a meeting at the house of van der Sloot with all these people. The parents of Natalee, the son and the father.

      PvdS:HE WAS, AT THAT MOMENT, AGAIN, NOT AT HOME WITHOUT ME KNOWING IT. Then, I called Joran on his mobile phone, and then he said that he was by the Wyndam. That is also a casino here in the neighborhood. Then, we drove there immediately, but he had, he said that he had misunderstood me, because he came home already. So, then all of us went back home, and around three, with quite a group, we spoke with Joran that night

    330. mayan_moons on March 29th, 2007 6:18 pm

      lol at frontloading Rick James

      you a supah freak

    331. Carpe Noctem on March 29th, 2007 7:08 pm

      # 329

      AWESOME AWESOME CATCH, Maggie!!!!!!!!

      One more nail in Paulus Van der sloots

      “coffin of credibility.” One more notch,

      in that lousy SOB’s lipstick case. (like father like son, right?)



      (and I’ve got a couple of “Bennies” riding on the fact
      that Paulus Van der sloot wears lipstick like his son,
      and dresses up in Anita’s pumps when she’s away. LOL)

      -Justice 4 Natalee

    332. Carpe Noctem on March 29th, 2007 7:09 pm



      ARRRRRRRRRE SICK!!!! -j4n

    333. yoyo muffintop on March 29th, 2007 7:24 pm

      Dear Mr. Observer,
      Regarding post #243, You Are Sick!!! Was that you with the hat on backwards? You ain’t one of the “pimps” are ya?

      awesome catch maggie – take that to the fbi. You’ve solved it. haha, yawn…


      SM:   Yoyo – you are starting to sound despirate :)   (klaasend)

    334. Carpe Noctem on March 29th, 2007 7:33 pm

      Put that in yer pipe and smoke it,
      Paul. Tickle your heinie
      with a FEFFER?


      Yeah BOY…

      BOW DOW, let Maggie show
      you “the way of the Monkey!”

    335. yoyo muffintop on March 29th, 2007 7:50 pm

      You didn’t find comment #243 highly offensive? Being a woman, I thought you would have. Very telling…Oh well, as long as put j4n it’s all good. Wow.


      SM:   You must be reading it differently than I am.   I don’t see anything at all offensive about it.   (klaasend)

    336. dennisintn on March 29th, 2007 7:56 pm

      #32l, richard, they want us to do like the wonderful aruban businessman and humanitarian told greta at the garbage dump where dave and volunteers were digging in the heat and stink for his daughter’s remains. “they just need to shut up, go home, and get over it”. and to paraphrase that renowned (in his own mind) island psychologist tony green, she was just an alcoholic addict, who looked like a slut, dressed like a slut, danced like a slut, and acted like a slut. they just need to shut up, go home, and get over it, it’s all beth and natalee’s fault anyway. well, too bad, aruba, it ain’t gonna happen.

    337. Carpe Noctem on March 29th, 2007 8:05 pm

      yo yo your such third gonad

      it is REDICULUS. Quit your whinin’…


      You are so lame, I can not
      see you as being anything
      else but a friend/lawyer/or relative of the
      butchering VAN DER SLOOT or
      KALPOE families.


    338. Carpe Noctem on March 29th, 2007 8:20 pm

      awesome catch maggie – take that to the fbi. You’ve solved it. haha, yawn…

      Yo Do – you f’n ignorant putz…

      One should always keep in mind that some
      people do not always settle things in a
      court of law.

      Some people pass a judgement & dole out punishment
      on their own, without any other consultations.

      Some do it with a
      lethality and a quickness
      that is absolutely
      mind numbing.

      (Especially when someone has murdered a family member)

      The world truly has some nasty people out there!

      Ya might want to keep that in mind, next time
      you find the urge to get in touch with your
      “inner dick.” ROFL -j4n

    339. Richard on March 29th, 2007 9:49 pm

      It’s almost comic to see the increasingly frenetic attempts by the Arubans to put stuff here to divert us.

      What none of them addresses, or seems to think significant, is the question of what happened to Natalee.

      Because, you see, they will do anything except address that matter. No wonder; it is the millstone around their necks that will sink their putrid island.

      Natalee, by disappearing, has brought into the spotlight years of things that nobody (except families of victims) ever before thought worth examining.

      Now we’re onto Aruba. And we’re not letting go.

      Let’s resolve to finish the job. But why listen to me when you can hear the words of Honest Abe Lincoln? Here’s a relevant quote from his Second Inaugural Address:

      “With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in.”

      Remember, it’s the Holloway Twitty family against a hostile foreign government. Our government is silent; our tourist business is silent; our hotel companies, airlines, casino companies are all silent.

      If we the people do not speak up, who will? If we tire of the task, turn our heads aside, fold our hands (I’m getting Biblical here) … who will step in? Nobody.

      It’s our collective duty to raise our voices for the family. Let’s not shirk now, or ever.

      As I said in Boston, if you had a missing child in a foreign country, would you want help?

      Need we say anymore? Let’s join hands and get going!

    340. mayan_moons on March 29th, 2007 10:41 pm

      Richard you’re right we can’t let go, giving up is NOT an option. It is comical watching Aruba shoot themselves in the foot over and over again. Their hearts are so black & dead and they can’t even pretend to care anymore and openly laugh at the situation of Natalee’s fate and efforts to bring her home.

      As far as i’m concerned we have joined hands and together we’re going to stand in the way of Aruba’s lies and false advertizing in their pitch to lure American’s back to the slum that is Aruba.

    341. mayan_moons on March 29th, 2007 10:50 pm

      This burst of posting since the travelshow was expected in that we knew those blackhearts would belittle our efforts but their opinions don’t matter to us.

      I can smell the fear from here Richard…..can you?~

    342. Observer on March 29th, 2007 11:12 pm

      Muffin your a sick puppy. Exactly what are your motives here?

    343. Roy on March 29th, 2007 11:14 pm

      #327….Are you inferring the Kalpoes lied about going to the LH instead of the Sloot home….Somebody said something yesterday about 2 kalpoe testimonies somehow being more credible than 1 Sloot….I guess that’s not so afterall iffn this was the case.
      “Something happened or was revealed that made it imperative for the story to change to that “I left Natalee on the beach”
      Besides the McDonald’s pick-up and Beth personally stating she heard Paulus say it… We have:
      Paulus stating it.
      Joran saying it.
      Deepak saying it.
      Satish saying it.
      Evidence located on the beach.
      2 security guards from adjacent hotel arrested.
      FEB statement (anomoly)
      Ed Kissel…. Don’t know the deal with that as I just read it in one of the MB girls statements….It’s all new to me but he seems to have once claimed seeing Natalee on the beach that night….Stands to reason he would have seen Joran and the “other people” as well….Like I said… I don’t know it’s validity but there it is in Black and White.
      —-There’s alot to suggest they were on the beach that night before something bad happened…..I don’t think they were as far up the beach as the Marriot or Huts but certainly possible to be as far south as the Allegro. I’m just speculating. You may very well be right about them taking Natalee to the Sloots….I just seem to think they did so from the Beach and not necessarily a direct route from C&C’s or the LH. JMO

    344. mayan_moons on March 29th, 2007 11:26 pm

      I NEVER let go of what i believe in Aruba!

      (my mom pitys you fools)


    345. yoyo muffintop on March 29th, 2007 11:55 pm

      #342 Observer – I’m sick? Why don’t you go ahead and explain what you meant when you said: “Whats it gonna be melanie? You know damn well Joran drugged and raped other’s before Natalee. You gonna have a daughter or a son?”
      Bet you’re gonna cop-out and say “I don’t need to explain it to you”. What are you inferring with those 2 sentences?

      Roy – interesting, but a clarification: Beth never personally heard any of that. She was sitting in a car and it was told to her by someone that it was said. And of course the language issue comes into play again with what was actually said, etc.

    346. Carpe Noctem on March 30th, 2007 12:06 am

      I can’t stress how important it is
      that Joran Van der sloot’s ol’ bag
      of moth balls for a MOTHER… lied and
      coordinated lies between Joran, Paulus, and
      Antonio Carlo.

      What disgusting sloths to be telling
      media that they were telling Joran The
      “Uncaptured Aruban Rapist” to tell the
      truth to everybody. LOL (knee slapper)




      apparently leaked by SK — They

      contradict every bit of Paulus and Anita

      playing the role of “TRUTH TELLERS.”

      Joran Van der Sloots lying, run down
      PARENTAL UNITS, from these materials appear
      to have helped the “SPORTER -aka- THE ORNAJESTAD
      BUTCHER” do the deed & dispose of dear ol’

      These people are free and roaming!!!!

      I sure help they don’t enable the
      SPORTER for another kill. ANIMALS.


      (hey, somebody should get them a customized
      doormat that says just that – BECAUSE IT’S THE TRUTH) imo

    347. Roy on March 30th, 2007 12:12 am

      Yo Yo: Somehow I doubt it (I think they got it right) ….But iffn you wanna strike one or two…go ahead….I can replace them with a couple of more I’ve remembered since making that post….I’m sure there is alot of things people wish could be retracted … Point noted, but preponderance starts adding up after awhile, Thx

    348. Carpe Noctem on March 30th, 2007 12:41 am

      Muffin has lawyer type properties!

      He (it?) speaks intelligently, & then twists
      facts to meet the argument. Just like a
      def. lawyer.

      …but at the end
      of the day, ‘it’ comes off as an
      arrogant ARUBAN-ESQUE, Natalee
      Holloway hating POS. imo

      >> Speaking somewhat intelligently rules out Kalpoes, or Kalpoe relatives. I mean, when effin GEROLD AND MIKEY DOMPIG reside in your family tree,

      I mean, what kind of cruel s*nit is that? LOL

      Ya might as well hit your self
      in the head with a rutabaga.

      You could hit yourself with some other produce item,

      but warning… it might not be as funny as a rutabaga.

      Rutabagas are actually pretty friggin’ funny.

      They’ve done call out surveys with Frank Luntz!

      ok, fast forward*

      >>back to the shoo!

      So, now that leaves… fraudulent ARUBAN hack lawyers!!?? :-)

      Oh goody! Hmmmmmmm, who could it be?

      KOCK? OOMEN? CARLO? dirtbags!!!!!

      I’ll have to think more on this…
      Be back soon! -j4n

    349. Roy on March 30th, 2007 12:45 am

      My apology Yo Yo: I see that I stated Beth personally heard it…I see what you’re saying…I remember her referring to her notes but it doesn’t necessarily change my conclusion… She had the info all along and like I said, it’s kind of hard to retract…..just like it’s difficult for so many to accept all of the statements Joran was allowed to retract. Deepak was right….They did underestimate her!

    350. yoyo muffintop on March 30th, 2007 12:48 am

      Roy, you’re good at this: what if it was the fbi that advised the arubans to arrest and hold the guards for a few days, and at the same time put a tap on everyone’s phone to hear the chatter? More than likely they got nothing, based off Rep. Bachus’s meeting with the fbi & arubans when he stated it’s being investigated properly, and the fact that evidence presented has not garnered a trial. But not out of the realm is it?

      and I will agree, they did.

    351. Carpe Noctem on March 30th, 2007 12:55 am

      Hey Roy, are you and Yo Yo goin’ to
      do the horizontal polka later, after a
      little winey & some diney?

    352. mayan_moons on March 30th, 2007 12:56 am

      Where are the leaked book pages Carpe?

    353. Observer on March 30th, 2007 12:57 am

      I actually made a type O but she failed to answer my question anyway. She knew what I was asking. My being here is 100% pure. I am here to support Natalee and her family.

      The only sick one here is you. Exactly what are your motives here? You have been following these blogs for quite a long time.For what purpose? Come clean chump and tell us a little about yourself. You friend’s with one of the criminals? Or are you some total loser who gets off on bashing the family and there supporters?

    354. mayan_moons on March 30th, 2007 1:09 am

      “i’ll have to think more on this*

      hahaha Carpe ;)

    355. yoyo muffintop on March 30th, 2007 1:21 am

      Roy – But what was written in the journal had to come from somewhere. Paulus says to police he picked joran up at (11 or 4) – in Dutch I presume. Someone overhears and tells someone from Al that “I think paulus said he picked him up at 4am”. He in turn goes and tells Beth that “paulus said he picked him up at 4am”. Then she in turn writes down “paulus said picked up at 4am”. It’s like the telephone game.
      The 11pm/4am time is still in dispute. The language thing again.

    356. Carpe Noctem on March 30th, 2007 1:34 am

      Just a sec Mayan, link coming up…


    357. Carpe Noctem on March 30th, 2007 1:48 am

      Speakin’ of the


      ‘igsigs’ just dropped a good one in the
      forum, complete w/ links.



      8/8/05 – Beth: I was able to speak with a witness also that said that Joran van der Sloot – they were offering to give him a ride home at 11:00pm on the 29th, but he didn’t need one because he had already called Deepak and Satish to pick him up. So that is something that – you know, we know that Paulus van der Sloot did not pick him up at 11:00pm on the 29th. We know that the correct pick up time was 4:00am on the 30th, and Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked them up.

      8/15/05 – Beth: Paulus van der Sloot stated that he picked them up at 4:00am on May 30th. “Them”, we don’t know who they were. But then, even as far as into June 16th and June 17th, Mr. van der Sloot was still stating this 4:00am pick up. Only until around – maybe it was when he was picked up or arrested did he change it to 11:00pm that i had knowledge of. So there’s another critical element that he’s lied about.


      Interesting that there is a witness to the Kalpoes picking up Joran at 11:00pm, not Paulus.

      And Beth knowing in August 05 that Paulus was telling the 4am story right up until his 6/18 PV? I wonder if Paulus has an earlier witness statement citing the 4am pick up? And if it still exists?


    358. Carpe Noctem on March 30th, 2007 1:50 am


      I do not like them in a box…

      I do not like them, they smoke crack rocks!

      -Docta Seuss

      Justice 4 Nat

    359. Roy on March 30th, 2007 2:09 am

      Yo Yo: I replied to your #350 post but failed the challenge. A reminder to keep posts short and sweet. Briefly, imo, iffn wire-taps produced nothing of consequence to the investigation, then why make them an issue…. If that was done to the guards….I would hope it was with their consent….good plan if it was just to put the suspects at ease…Any knowledge they would have obtained would have been useless in court iffn no consent, it would have been argued that their statements would have been made under duress…..JMO..I have no knowledge of the law except listen to them when they tell me something. But these are just legal issues….What about the moral issues….They must be balanced.

    360. Roy on March 30th, 2007 2:21 am

      Think of it like this YO Yo: Why have dad pick him up at 11:00 iffn he was going to C&C’s…Just stall a bit and have the Kalpoes pick him up….. Besides, If dad picks him up at 11:00, that leaves virtually no time for the transit home, the routine SSS (Sh**, shower, and shave), all that homework he was supposedly doing when the Kalpoes picked him up, sneaking out, and the transit to C&C’s…..that’s alot of hustle and bustle to get there before 12:30…not that it couldn’t be done, but just doesn’t seem to add up… The 4:00AM does imo.

    361. Richard on March 30th, 2007 6:50 am

      I doubt very much that the FBI installed wiretaps in Aruba, or anything else. They were frozen out since day one … Oduber initially opposed bringing them in at all … and in a June edition of the Scarborough show, some FBI guy (it’s in archives of one timeline) was raving mad about how the Arubans weren’t speaking to the Americans.

      Then, and now ….

    362. Roy on March 30th, 2007 8:41 am

      #361… I would have no idea if they did or didn’t…. Only that these boys were ID’d as suspects day one, in the media’s eyes anyway….no reason to think otherwise about the FBI and Aruba’s LE…That being the case, I would think that they and Aruban LE would have done so…I don’t know about the frozen out part either…..There are references everywhere, statements and news accounts that have them there…..talking with Joran on that first night, participating in searches, accompanying Aruba’s LE when they arrested the guards in their homes, etc…. seems like everyone was doing their job….except maybe the “guards part” …Then it all seemed to break down when faced with moral dilemas….. I pray they all can get those lines re-established and remember what this was all about..Natalee.

    363. Carpe Noctem on March 30th, 2007 9:17 am

      Hey Miss Vicki,

      A brief jog would make Anita drop dead.

      You don’t need to
      wish! ;-)


    364. dennisintn on March 30th, 2007 9:35 am

      #350, bachus was lied to by the arubans, just like everybody else was lied to by the arubans. that big political contribution didn’t hurt either.

    365. 10061906 on March 30th, 2007 9:45 am

      Food for thought.

      Don’t forget OCCAM’S RAZOR

    366. Miss-Underestimated on March 30th, 2007 9:53 am

      Richard you are right.
      The FBI was locked out since the beginning. Aruba wouldn’t allow them to search the waters, why? Aruba complained how much this investigation was costing, why would you turn away free help?
      You would turn away free help only if your HIDING AND COVERING UP WHAT REALLY HAPPENED TO NATALEE ANN HOLLOWAY.

      Another bummer day on the beach Aruba, they are empty again on this beautiful day. But look on the bright side, you don’t need anyone to help set up cabanas or clean up. Nothing to set up and nothing to clean up, no drinks to serve.

    367. Miss-Underestimated on March 30th, 2007 9:56 am

      There’s that bag again

      “He probably had his carrying bag with tennis necessities with him. I saw him enter the building. HE HAD TOLD ME THAT HE WOULD BE AFTERWARDS BE GOING TO THE WYNDHAM HOTEL because a “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” would be held. “

    368. Roy on March 30th, 2007 10:06 am

      Hey Carpe: Ever slide into second on a field of coral… A friend of mine did on Diego Garcia and it messed him up pretty bad…Whole damn island is practically coral. Your most lasting impression on these boards will always be your photos… That pond with the culvert….5 will get you 10 there is some nasty coral in there…..that plastic bag, whatever is in there, didn’t float over there and seat itself…..someone would have had to take their shoes off and wade. But Joran didn’t have his shoes….They were taken. The moment all this stuff was videotaped, the set-up was complete….And the ALE doesn’t need wiretaps to prove this….they have all the human intelligence they need to do so…..So Joran Van Der Sloot and Paulus do exactly as told when supplying their statements…..J2k initiate the LH statements, Joran thinking he’s setting up security guards…K2 knowing better…. All these events minus the statements happening prior to any FBI arriving on the island. And the biggest benefactor(s)….. The “OTHER PEOPLE”

    369. Miss-Underestimated on March 30th, 2007 11:24 am

      Is it hammer time yet?

    370. 10061906 on March 30th, 2007 11:56 am

      Natalee’s body is behind the Nanky Country Club.
      Sorry, for the news…. but I had to reread it so I don’t get false rumors started.
      According to a Psychic that visits the island constantly, the body of Natalee is buried in the sand behind the Nanky Country Club.
      A place located at the eastern tip of the island in San Nicolaas.
      How it got there and who did that, the psychic did not say, but hopes that authorities would take a look at that info.”

      Glenda: NOT A JOKE, but the Psychic told officials that Natalee was with Lorenzo, Pitbull and Scooby when she fell on the rocks and bonked her head. They boys buried her there.

    371. vicki on March 30th, 2007 12:25 pm

      Thanks Carpe…one can only hope….
      370-1906 has that ever been checked out? I read that also…..

    372. Slogmonster on March 30th, 2007 12:50 pm

      #368 Roy you seem to be saying that you think J&P were setup and that 2K were in on it?
      The problem I’m having with this is 2K being in on it? I always thought of them more as hangers on, would you please elaborate on this?
      If I misunderstand you my appologies in advance. :)

    373. 10061906 on March 30th, 2007 1:01 pm

      01/03/2007 – Diario reports that a man was attacked by a group of men, with baseball bat, at Las Vegas bar
      01/07/2007 — Diario 01/08/2007 reports that Camilo Andres Romero Heredia (Camilo Romero), 25, a cameraman for ATV, was found hanged; died on 01/07.
      Two teenagers stabbed during torchlight procession near Crystal Casino
      Note: we believe there were 14 murders that we know of, on Aruba, in 2006.
      01/06/2006 – “An American couple is raging on Aruba. The couple was robbed yesterday
      01/12/2006 – Date of message board post: ” … there was a couple mugged outside of our resort while we were there …” They apparently were staying at Mill Inn Resort
      01/23/2006 – Man found dead on boat near the Marriott.
      01/23/2006 – From a message board post dated 02/02/2006: “On the third night (still with many of the problems unresolved) the villa was broken into while we were sleeping. The thieves were actually in two of our bedrooms while we were asleep!!! We lost everything that was not in the safe in a different bedroom … ” They were staying at Villa Alexandra.
      02/12/2006 – Alberto Augusto Peral (Peralta?) apparently killed by a gang.
      03/20/2006 – The ship Rachel S arrived in Aruba the Sunday of Carnaval Grandi with a dead person, Bernard Ramsaran,
      03/??/2006 – American tourist robbed and beaten in an alley in San Nicolas.
      03/??/2006 – Dave Billy Aubert, 20, a local, killed in a hit & run.
      04/05/2006 – Dinesh ‘Pitbull’ Djoegan, found on/in Guadirikiri cave. His body was mutilated, crucified, and set on fire. Death initially ruled a suicide and/or overdose. SM has photos. There were convictions in this case
      04/18/2006 – Raul Croes attacked, killed in a restaurant by a man with a machete
      05/23/2006 – Enrique Reynier Loefstop, 51, beaten to death by his(?) son, with a baseball bat. Apparently an altercation over the son’s drug use
      06/??/2006 – Igor Richardson killed outside Las Vegas bar, San Nichols.
      06/??/2006 – Man beaten with baseball bat at Malboro Ball ParK
      06/23/2006 – Unknown, unclothed woman found in trash pile; Bon Dia prints graphic photo of corpse.
      06/??/2006 – Male corpse found floating offshore; reportedly a fisherman, wrapped in tarp
      06/24/2006 – U.S. tourist “bothered” by “false polis” attempting to exchange sex for a “fine” for an undisclosed, not revealed, offense.
      07/27/2006 – Gang rape and cell phone taping of 16-yr-old girl at school. Tape was uploaded to internet. Girl’s parents not pressing charges; polis make no arrests. Girl was sent to live with relatives on another island.
      08/21/2006 -British woman reports attempted raped
      08/21/2006 – Local female attacked at her Wayaca home by two men who hold knife to her throat; rob the house; demand to know where the woman’s husband, a polis officer, keeps his gun. * * *
      08/29/2006 – Diario reports the arrest of a man for attacking a female tourist at a restaurant
      09/03/2006 – U.S. tourist with 4 other people including 3 females, was assaulted by the bouncer and 5 patrons at Cafe Bahia. The tourist had 3 ribs broken and his left shoulder was fractured. Tourist says some of the patrons who attacked him were from the Curacao racing team
      09/18/2006 РDiario reports that a public employee working as a bouncer at a night club battered a tourist who subsequently required medical attention at the hospital. The bouncer was arrested and fired. The tourist returned home. This may be a follow-up on the 09/03/2006 incident at Caf̩ Bahia
      09/??/2006 – Mysterious death at Tanki Leendirt (near “Euro Kitchen”?) of chef/cook of Eagle Hotel. Cause of death unknown.
      09/??/2006 – Man convicted, sentenced to 24 yrs for killing of Pino Suarez. No indication of when this crime occurred. Suarez may have been one of the unidentified men found dead earlier (see 01/23/2006 and 06/??/2006).
      09/??/2006 – Pascualito Geerman found dead at Baco Prins.
      11/14/2006 – Bon Dia reports death of Igmar Camallo. Polis investigating; cause of death not known; disposition unknown.
      11/15/2006 — A woman lodged a sexual assault complaint against Ramon Lee, Minister of Labour, Sport, and Culture. Prime Minister Nelson Oduber stated, “It’s a very sensitive matter and I regret the way everything is now in the media. I also regret the fact that I had to hear the woman cry again telling her story on several radio stations today
      11/24/2006 – Diario reports that Pedro Arthuro Gomez-Torres, 39, was murdered at the Bongo Bar in San Nicholas. He worked at Valero Palm Beach.
      12/04/2006 – Diario reports that Hoben Mayron Bayne was kil12/16/2006 – Diario reports that Ferdinand Alexander Dijkhoff is accused of killing his four-month-old baby. led outside of Carlos & Charlies. Occurred during the night of 12/02/2006-12/03/2006.
      12/27/2006 – Diario reports that the body of Carlos Arturo Moreno Castro (Carlos Moreno) was found on the beach. He was minus an ear. 20 kilos (44 lbs) of cocaine are somehow involved. Polis do suspect foul play
      12/27/2006 — Diario reports the apparent suicide of Brigitte Christine Katelaan, 37, a producer for Tele Aruba. Death by hanging.
      01/21/2005 – Date of post to a message board. Visitor reports that on first night of stay at Paradise Beach Villas, “we got robbed in our room while we slept.”
      05/20/2005 – Tracy Allen (US tourist) assault attempt near Marriott Fisherman’s Huts (Hadacurari Beach). Provided composite sketch to FBI in December 2005 (sketch also provided to Aruba Polis). Ms. Allen told her story on Fox Big Story

      05/30/2005 – Natalee Holloway last seen with 3 locals leaving C&Cs.

      ??/??/2005 – U.S. tourist, female, with friends, same week Natalee went missing. Odd incident resembling an attempted kidnapping.
      06/18/2005 – Rene Michel van Heyningen found at a cemetery; partially decapitated; wife was charged, convicted.
      06/20/2005 – Body found on a boat. No further details available now.
      11/04/2005 – Margarita Nedd-Panaqua, 35, from Dominican Republic. Stabbed by a jealous boyfriend
      11/04/2005 – Galyson Lucas Winster, a 27 year old, reportedly a drug addict, shot in the head.
      11/16/2005 – Robert Wayne Benson, 56 year old American expat, a Harley Davidson mechanic, found dead, locked in a storage container behind the shop in Cura Cabay where he worked. (Have read that it was a suicide and natural cause – but it’s the locked container that that seems strange. Have read that it was locked on the inside, and also that it was locked on the outside.)
      ??/??/2004 – Dave Holloway stated on Dana Pretzer’s radio show of 10/01/2006, that another girl went missing on Aruba a year before Natalee.
      ??/??/2003 – U.S. tourist from North Shore Boston told a local TV station that on her last night on Aruba in 2003, a local man “… took me to … Carlos and Charlie’s. He bought me drinks, and after we left the bar, he proceeded to take me to a parking lot where he assaulted me.”
      12/24/2001 – U.S. tourist “Marie” from Boston was dragged into a car as she was leaving Carlos ‘n’ Charlie’s; the car drove away from the area and she was raped
      03/24/1998 – U.S. tourist Amy Lynn Bradley vanished from cruise ship just after dawn, while docked at Curacao. According to her parents, crew members had tried to get her to go with them to Carlos ‘n’ Charlie’s in Aruba, on the night before she vanished.
      04/??/1997 – Date of message board post. Couple visited Aruba for one month. Just before their arrival (in February), a shop apparently within the Marriott (“Colombian Emeralds”?) was robbed by men with machine guns. Further, there was an attempted “hit” on someone, but the gunman shot the wrong person. Finally, the visiting couple was robbed of miscellaneous items from their beach bag. ??/??/1996 – U.S. couple traveling with four friends – the two of them were drugged and taken from the hotel casino. Husband was locked in a back room of The Rio Grande. Wife was taken “out to the desert” and raped and beaten. The group was staying at Holiday Inn. Reported to Polis, but no results.

    374. Maggie on March 30th, 2007 4:30 pm

      The sentence of the Superior Court fell like a bomb on Paul van der Sloot and his defence attorney because, according to the attorney, the Court made use of informations that do not agree with the truth.

      The Court dictated that Paul van der Sloot fetched Joran and Natalee at the McDonald Palm Beach branch and took the two of them to the Holiday Inn, according to declarations by witnesses and also informations obtained from a phone tap carried out by the police.

      Until recently, this key information was not known in the press and apparently only by the Police and Dept. of Justice.

      The whole case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gets a different twist now that the information has come out from no less than the Superior Court, and in which mention is made of the declarations of witnesses and a phone tap that show or give an indication that Paul van der Sloot had on two occasions personal contact with Natalee during the night that she disappeared.

      YOYo pantless man on the beach , Natalee who had been acting fine her entire trip to Aruba, loses her mind that night and sits on a dark beach at 3am alone and poof..or as Anita says , He put THE GIRL on the beach, and she laughs. Yawnnnnnn…

      We want the truth to come out, we hope they find the person in the meantime, anyone who knows anything call the police come forward and tell what you know to the police, but I’m not talking to them anymore I’ve already gave 22 versions of what happened, I’m going to do more tv interviews instead and tell more big whoppers.

    375. Maggie on March 30th, 2007 4:46 pm

      Ed Kissel’s fox interview..

      ED KISSEL, FRIEND OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I think I saw her a little later that night. I had stayed in Carlos ‘n Charlie’s pretty long, and I saw her dancing with Van Der Sloot later that night. (don’t forget Joran’s statement on Greta,

      VAN DER SLOOT: So next, we walked down again to the stage. We were just looking at people – the people who were dancing on stage. And then again, she said to me to – she told me to go dance with her, and I said no.

      VAN SUSTEREN: Do you dance?

      VAN DER SLOOT: Sometimes, yes, but not really dancing.


      VAN DER SLOOT: I’m not really a dancing person)

      O’REILLY: Now, did you know Van Der Sloot? Did — how did you know who he was?

      KISSEL: I didn’t know him, but I had seen — he had been around the hotel and the casino with her and with her friends, her closer friends, just hanging out around the hotel for the last few days, two or three days.

      O’REILLY: All right. So Natalee obviously knew him, then, was familiar with him. And when you saw him dancing with her, that didn’t set off any bells. Was Natalee intoxicated, in your opinion?

      KISSEL: I wouldn’t say so. We were all having a good time. I’d go so far as to say that, but I wouldn’t say intoxicated.

      O’REILLY: She was drinking?

      KISSEL: Drinking responsibly is what I would say.

      O’REILLY: All right.

      KISSEL: Along with the rest of us.

      O’REILLY: Now, did you see her get into a car with Van Der Sloot and these two other guys?

      KISSEL: I did not see her getting in the car. I saw her leaving, looked like with Van Der Sloot. I didn’t see her getting in the car. You couldn’t really see the road from inside the bar, so that is what I saw.

      O’REILLY: But nothing set off any alarm bells for you, Ed? You didn’t — you weren’t concerned or anything like that?

      KISSEL: No. I wasn’t personally concerned about anything. From what I’ve heard, I heard people talk about him and he sounded like a nice guy. So I didn’t think any big deal.

      I personally had ridden in the car over there. I made friends with one of the waiters. I’m fluent in Spanish, and you know, I was friends with somebody. And so I was thinking, you know, I rode in a car with somebody, she rides in the car with somebody, no big deal. I didn’t think about it.,2933,159764,00.html

    376. Carpe Noctem on March 30th, 2007 5:32 pm

      The answers of what happened to
      Natalee Ann Holloway reside in
      the brains of the murderous, raping,
      serial lying Van der sloots family.

      With Anita, that sack of rocks…

      With Paulus, that no good lying poozle of a man… (man is used loosely here)

      & his psychotic, carnivore, raping
      machine of a son.


    377. Carpe Noctem on March 30th, 2007 5:43 pm

      If she’s behind Nanky, dig her up, do a DNA test,
      and bring her home… damn it.

      They can’t. That was probably a cart of boo-shizzle,

      Dig up on this, Mr. Whipple!!! That crapola sounds
      like a Julia Ren-whore-ski Original.

      HAPPY DAISY, to ya JR. =) (u sucky)

    378. Carpe Noctem on March 30th, 2007 6:06 pm

      Well spank me on me shiny bum,
      and I promise not to like it! (much)

      Looky here…

      JORAN VAN DER SLOOT lives in the triangle. Now, what
      exactly are the odds of something like this being so?

      -JVDS is a SICK PERSON.

      -Deepak Kalpoe / A.L.E. Official Documents

    379. Miss-Underestimated on March 30th, 2007 6:39 pm

      What are the courts waiting for to haul Paul-ass back in?
      Is it the same court system, do they work co-joining?
      It’s like somebody is trying to run the clock out.

      Hey I wonder do you think Anita got a new camera. wink wink

      What comes around goes around. Sometimes there is a reason some families are not blessed with daughters. I think we know what I am talking about.

    380. Carpe Noctem on March 30th, 2007 7:10 pm

      I wonder if Anita Van der sloot like to use her camera
      for making porno? (face, tightens in to a pucker)

      Thinking of Anita & porno in the same memory flash
      reminds that Amrageddon’s coming up right
      around the corner… and I have not had a chance to
      shop yet. =+)~

    381. yoyo muffintop on March 30th, 2007 7:28 pm

      #375 maggie – not sure why you posted that. BOR said he was dancing, not Ed (if it’s about dancing). And we now know the real truth about the level of intoxication with Lee’s 302 (if it’s about being drunk or not).

    382. Carpe Noctem on March 30th, 2007 7:28 pm

      Hey, did anyone catch this one on Netflix yet?

      It was pretty hot.

    383. Maggie on March 30th, 2007 7:50 pm

      Read it again…

      O’REILLY: All right. Now, Ed, when was the last time you saw Natalee?

      ED KISSEL, FRIEND OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I think I saw her a little later that night. I had stayed in Carlos ‘n Charlie’s pretty long, and I SAW HER DANCING WITH VAN DER SLOOT later that night.

      O’REILLY: Now, did you know Van Der Sloot? Did — how did you know who he was?

      KISSEL: I didn’t know him, but I had seen — he had been around the hotel and the casino with her and with her friends, her closer friends, just hanging out around the hotel for the last few days, two or three days.

      O’REILLY: All right. So Natalee obviously knew him, then, was familiar with him. And when you saw him dancing with her, that didn’t set off any bells. Was Natalee intoxicated, in your opinion?

      KISSEL: I wouldn’t say so. We were all having a good time. I’d go so far as to say that, but I wouldn’t say intoxicated.

      Level of intoxication, read the behaviour of persons at different levels of intoxication. Also Joran NOW says she wasn’t drunk. Drinking responsible to me means, they weren’t driving, they weren’t causing fights or problems, there were no problems until those 3 showed up about closing time.

    384. Carpe Noctem on March 30th, 2007 7:50 pm

      Today is Number

      Six Hundred – Eighty – Nine


      NATALEE – “We Never Forgot About It”


      Friday, March 30, 2007

      Ban ami posted earlier awe, Natalee became un krimen víktima riba Aruba 22 months pasá awe. Den e siguiente 70 days e suspects lo either ta charged ku e crimes anti Natalee Ann Holloway o e ta wòrdu aparato kompletamente liber pending nobo evidence brought kaurenta.

      Aruba- laga e ta konosí inmediatamente, mester bo kriminal justice system laga e unacceptable na pasa, nos ta bai na tuma esaki boycott na e siguiente horizòntal. I kere mi tin un siguiente horizòntal í abo no ta ke kí nos tin den tienda pa abo. Ayeranochi weeks Boston Protesta ta un chikitu muestra di ta ki den tienda pa abo. Nos tin ya raised e funds nesesario na alkansá nos goals, kuá ta wòrdu e total destrukshon di bo economía.

      Pensando I’m gaña, purba nos!

      Abo mester awor hasi e drechi kos í arestá Paulus í Joran Van Der Sloot í e Kalpoe Brothers.

      Si e citizens di Aruba ta caught den e ‘cross fire’ di nos mission na hasi abo kèch esei kí.

      Ha happened ta unacceptable, asina ta e. Abo no ta parce na sòru di Natalee í su famía o e otro families esei tin bai a e mescos bida altering experiences. nos no ta sòru kí happens na e ‘good’ hende di aruba. E mescos hende esei tin hasi nada na trese un konklushon na Natalee’s afèr.

      Bo e warned!

      Ami no ta gusta na aplikashon threats. E ta no threats. E lo bira bo realidat mester e main suspects den Natalee’s afèr ta freed.


      As I posted earlier today, Natalee Holloway became a CRIME VICTIM on Aruba 22 months ago TODAY. Within the next 70 days the suspects will either be charged with the CRIMES against Natalee Ann Holloway or the will be set completely free pending new evidence brought forth.

      Aruba- let it be known RIGHT NOW, should your Criminal Justice System allow the unacceptable to happen, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THIS BOYCOTT TO THE NEXT LEVEL. And believe me there is a next level and you do not want what we have in store for you. Last weeks Boston Protest is a small sample of what is in store for you. We have already raised the funds necessary to accomplish our goals, which will be the total destruction of your economy.

      Think I’m kidding, TRY US!

      You must now do the RIGHT THING and ARREST Paulus and Joran Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe Brothers.

      If the citizens of Aruba are caught in the ‘cross fire’ of our mission to make you realize that what has happened is TOTALLY unacceptable, so be it.

      You do not seem to care about Natalee and her Family or the other Families that have gone through the same life altering experiences. We do not care what happens to the ‘good’ people of Aruba. The same people that have done nothing to bring a conclusion to Natalee’s case.

      You have been warned!

      I do not like to use threats. These are not threats. IT will become your reality should the main suspects in Natalee’s case be freed.

      Posted by Zoltan at 4:49 PM 0 comments



      Yes, 22 months ago today. (BTW- today is day 689) and to date no one has been held responsible even though the last person to be seen with her by his own admission has lied his ass off repeatedly. His father lied, his mother lied, his friends lied, his friend’s mother lied.

      Who hasn’t lied?

      Mr. Ramirez.

      Don’t remember this guy? He is the Step Father of the Kalpoe Brothers.

      Somehow this guy has managed to remain in the background and under the radar. How has this all happened? Bloggers and Posters know more about the mysterious Lorenzo Van Rijn than Mr. Ramirez. He has not been caught in a lie because we have never heard one word from him. Strange, very STRANGE!

      It could be easily argued that Mr. Ramirez has remained in the shadows because he knows nothing. As a matter of fact, there is not one picture of this guy.

      How can someone that lives in the same house as two of the suspects know nothing?

      It’s impossible.

      In the Dutch Legal System perpetrators make the rules up as the go along and change the dynamics in mid-stream if they don’t like the way things are progressing. A System designed to allow criminals off and VICTIMS to languish.

      If you lived in a house with a person suspected in the disappearance of a tourist you would expect that the Police would interview you and get your story on the record even if you have nothing to do with any of the actions of the suspects. It’s common sense. The Dutch Legal System replaces common sense with malfeasance.


      The Kalpoe Brothers state they were home between 1:10 AM (Satish Kalpoe) and 2:30-3:00AM (Deepak Kapoe). Where was Mr. Ramirez?

      According to small amount of information available on Mr. Ramirez, he is an Aruban businessman. Nothing is truly known about the businesses he owns or is involved with or if he does in fact own businesses or works for others. It is not even known if he is Aruban or an immigrant resident. Nadira Kalpoe, his wife, is originally from Suriname, and left Suriname when she married Mr. Ramirez. How these two met is not known.

      If Mr. Ramirez is in fact a businessman, you would expect that he would be home in bed asleep as most businessmen are not out conducting business between 1 AM and 3 AM. Where is Mr. Ramirez’s declaration stating the Kalpoe Brother’s whereabouts between the time Natalee went missing and the time of 11 am the next morning when Deepak Kalpoe says he turned on the television? Natalee was abducted from Carlos and Charlie’s in downtown in Oranjestad at 1 AM. The next time anyone sees either Kalpoe Brother is when a neighbor gave a declaration that he or she witnessed Deepak Kalpoe vacuuming his car out at 3-3:30 AM. Deepak Kalpoe’s declaration confirms that he was indeed cleaning his car during those hours.

      A neighbor has provided a PV yet there is not one from Mr. Ramirez?

      Posted by Zoltan at 8:05 AM 0 comments



    385. Maggie on March 30th, 2007 7:53 pm

      LOL Carpe your pics crack me up..

    386. Maggie on March 30th, 2007 7:57 pm

      My point was also Ed doesn’t say he saw Natalee at the beach later.. There hasn’t been any evidence or witnesses out of ALL of those people Joran saw walking around the beach that night, the fisherman on the beach by the huts saw noone matching their description there that night and not one person saw their shoes, has ever found their shoes on the beach, heard or seen Deepak’s big loud car Joran said he heard coming to pick him up from a ways off, because it’s so loud. There hasn’t been one person to see Natalee alive again since she was in the car with those 3.

    387. Maggie on March 30th, 2007 8:07 pm

      Blood Alcohol
      Concentration Changes in Feelings
      and Personality Physical and Mental

      0.01 – 0.06 Relaxation
      Sense of Well-being
      Loss of Inhibition
      Lowered Alertness
      Joyous Thought

      0.06 – 0.10 Blunted Feelings
      Impaired Sexual Pleasure Reflexes Impaired
      Depth Perception
      Distance Acuity
      Peripheral Vision
      Glare Recovery

      0.11 – 0.20 Over-Expression
      Emotional Swings
      Angry or Sad
      Boisterous Reaction Time
      Gross Motor Control
      Slurred Speech
      0.21 – 0.29 Stupor
      Lose Understanding
      Impaired Sensations Severe Motor Impairment
      Loss of Consciousness
      Memory Blackout

      0.30 – 0.39 Severe Depression
      Death Possible Bladder Function
      Heart Rate
      => 0.40 Unconsciousness
      Death Breathing
      Heart Rate

    388. Carpe Noctem on March 30th, 2007 8:34 pm

      Now, which one of those alcohol blood levels
      do you have to be at when you’re
      smiling, laughing, and dancing
      to the “Mack-A-rainer?”

      She looked fine to me @ C&C. :?:


    389. yoyo muffintop on March 30th, 2007 8:42 pm

      “Researchers have found that the human liver combines cocaine and alcohol and manufactures a third substance, cocaethylene, that intensifies cocaine’s euphoric effects. The mixture of cocaine and alcohol is the most common two-drug combination that results in drug-related death.”

      That Peter dude reported cocaine use, and unless I missed it, has never been denied by the family. And carpe, the picture means nadda – I know I have seen pictures of myself and I look “normal”, but I was wasted. Of course maybe that’s unique to me only, but I doubt it.


      SM:   That Peter dude had a witness statement, probably made by one of Paulus or Julia Renfro’s friends that claimed the drug use.      Since we know lying appears to be the norm in Aruba, I don’t believe there was cocaine use (klaasend)

    390. Carpe Noctem on March 30th, 2007 8:57 pm

      Hey Paulus & Anita…

      Why don’t you phone your little C.R.U.

      (carnivorous rape unit)

      Get him to log on to the “INTERNETS”
      from Katman-flippity-du


      wherever you put him in storage for the time being.

      she’s beautiful, even in death.

      that you WILL NEVER take away from her! you scum.

      Get him to look in to her eyes!

      I DO IT EVERY NIGHT, dude. *** I see what they did to her ***

      You may have fooled many,

      …but you dime store pieces
      of skunk bait do not fool me.

      I see it. He did it.
      I know it, others do too.


      I hope the pics haunt him to his last days!

      I know they used a gun. (my personal opinion only)


      of this I have very little doubt. -j4n

    391. Maggie on March 30th, 2007 9:01 pm

      Interesting that Paulus is logged into the computer May 30th
      looking up alcohol and drugs and the danger to young people and a lawyer’s office..

      Dr. Baden has been on tv more than once to say a person who dies of an overdose takes hours. They lapse into a coma time that help can be gotten. Now if they had done nothing to her or given her a drug, why wouldn’t they take her to the emergency. A person don’t overdose and die and bury themselves. I’ve seen more than once in the news adults give under age kids alcohol and dump the body on the street for someone to find so they don’t get in trouble. Now if they had done something else to the person, my guess is they would get rid of the body, not leave it to be found. Just recently an underage kid was in ICU for days close to here from someone giving him lime koolaid mixed with vodka and he died.

    392. waterboy on March 30th, 2007 9:16 pm

      Let’s say Natalee was drunk.

      Let’s say Natalee did buy drugs.

      Let’s say Natalee was high on drugs.

      Let’s say Natalee was a racist.

      Let’s say Natalee was what ever.

      It still does not justify someone (and we all know who), kidnapping, raping, killing, and cremating her body does it?

      Only a Jack the Ripper would say it does.

    393. waterboy on March 30th, 2007 9:38 pm

      The question that bothers me is this; it has been stated that Freddie and Koen were at Joran’s apartment the night Natalee disappeared. Apparently they crashed there that night. So how would they feel if Joran, who was picked up by the K2′s, went to C and C’s, were able to kidnap a female tourist on her last night on Aruba and took her somewhere else and had sex with her and did not include Freddie and Koen OR ANY OF THE OTHER PIMPS FOR THAT MATTER.
      (Freddie takes the pictures and Koen was not permitted to be interviewed by the police and fled to Holland) What is wrong with this picture?

      Comment by 10061906

      To 10061906,

      I’ve been thinking about your comment for several days now, and you know what? It makes the most sense that the crime went on at Joran’s apartment of anything I’ve seen or heard.

      It absolutely for Davie Crockett sure happen at Joran’s apartment.


    394. Carpe Noctem on March 30th, 2007 10:05 pm

      Joran and the two Kalpoes were “hottie scouts” this night.

      That was their duty. Joran is a leader
      in this area, that is why ( He DA MANNNNN with his
      VIP Cards to get into to bars at the age of 17, and all.)

      The other guys were
      BACKUP TROOPS to get in on
      the fun.

      THE TRAP – Joran’s Apartment.

      They were lying in wait… for the man with
      the mobile party, a one Mr.
      Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot? imo

    395. Carpe Noctem on March 30th, 2007 10:12 pm

      Joran states:

      I ALLOWED (rofl) Natalee to come to my house. She
      asked to see my house.

      later he says something along the lines of…

      I asked her this, but I knew we could not
      go to the house because my PARENTAL MOON UNIT
      was sleeping.

      Joran’s TRUTHS lie couched in what he says he did not,
      could not, and would not do!

      They went to the house. Joran’s Funky
      Tree House with his Li’l
      Keebler Pimp Elves
      waitin’ to party.

      (probably playing black jack, poker, go fish, or old maid with Paulus, LOL)

      Joran >> B the head elf. (with a bit of a thyroid gland problem)

    396. 10061906 on March 30th, 2007 10:49 pm

      To Roy Maggie Vickie Carpe and Jerry etc:
      Are we really to believe the release from the courts that states Paulus picked up Joran and Natalee at McDonald’s and took both to the Holiday Inn. What night was this? It certainly was not the evening of May 29th/May 30th AM. The time line is all wrong.
      If that is the case where were Joran and Natalee coming from that they had to be picked up at McDonald’s? It shows both at the Excelsior at the Holiday Inn somewhere between 8:00 and 11:00 PM on May 29th.
      MD’s is near the Allegro(Thanks Roy) which is just down LG Smith Blvd from the HI.
      What is Paulus’ alibi after that?
      Now if that is the case how did Natalee get to Carlos and Charlie’s? Why would Joran go home and how did he get there. Why then would he then be picked up at 12:00 by the K2′S to go to C and C’s and get there by 12:30AM? (0:30 hours.)
      Why didn’t Freddie and Koen go with JK2′S? There is not enough room for five people in Deepak’s compact. Five going to C and C’s and Six coming back.
      The proverbial S-T hit the fan somewhere between 1:30 and 3:30 AM on May 30th.
      Joran called his father that the girl he brought back to his apartment wasn’t breathing.
      Alcohol, date rape drugs and ether starter fluid or butane was causing hypoxia; lack of oxygen to the brain.
      Unless everyone including Natalee had body doubles, nothing that Paulus says when he talks about the pickup at McDonalds makes any sense; it couldn’t have happened that way. If I were a betting man I would put my money on:
      “Shark Fest” at “Stage Boy’s” apartment is where it happened.
      Remember Occam’s Razor (KISS)
      “I could not take Natalee to my house because my father and brothers were home”.
      BS: your brothers were in Holland and your father was out gambling. There was no one at your apartment except, Freddie, Koen and………………………………………………waiting for you to get back with the prize.

    397. Carpe Noctem on March 30th, 2007 10:50 pm

      “She was only supposed to stay for four days, she was supposed to come home.”

    398. Carpe Noctem on March 30th, 2007 11:29 pm

      396 – Are we really to believe the release from the courts that states Paulus picked up Joran and Natalee at McDonald’s and took both to the Holiday Inn. What night was this?

      Great point, and post. A lot to think about!

      Do we have proof that Joran was p/u by
      that large sized electric plug-in dillus…
      >> “senor pappy slootus”

      @ 11pm?

      Whattaya… takin’ Paulus’ word for it? Jorans’?

      Get outta here.

      Are they seen on cameras and recorded? Apparently not,
      Ronald Mc’D never got back to us on that one.

      Cell traffic

      For all we know, Joran may have never gone home @ 11p,
      & had Dork-Knuckle & Slappy Kalpoe join him for his
      “Mc Flurry Happy Meal?”

      Perhaps they all met at the Mc Donalds
      and from there on…

      Perhaps the McDonald 11pm lie Paul shot from his hip
      to create a alibi for J-Bo early on
      in the investigation.

      Perhaps Joran never went home first!?!? Perhaps that was a
      lie because CAPTAIN DOOF-WHISTLE was out shakin’ his
      rotten bom-bom and gambling his ‘johnson’ off…
      Ya know, havin’ a good ol’ time whilst the old cow was
      chewing her cud in Holland?

      Just some thoughts…


      Comes to us from
      Satish Klap-on

      “Joran said to us (Deepak and I) “If they find the body we will be in big trouble!”

      …and I said back “What do you mean, we do not know what
      happened to the girl.”

      Joran replied: “Yes, you’re right, you don’t know what happened.” Then he laughed. -j4n

    399. Carpe Noctem on March 30th, 2007 11:40 pm
    400. 10061906 on March 30th, 2007 11:59 pm

      Let’s go for 400…
      Now if Paulus had to get home from say the Excelsior when Joran called he would have had to pass right past the Noord police station. I bet Jan was there. They both probably went back to the Sloot’s. When they got to Joran’s apartment I’ll bet all the pimps had scattered including Deepak and Satish. Deepak went home to clean out his car. Either blood or body fluids.
      Why was Jan at the Sloot’s house when Beth arrived? He never left. He helped to start to remove Natalee and try to clean things up and start to spin a story and cover up..
      Why did everyone go to the Wyndram looking for Joran. It gave time to get Natalee out of the house and to a crypt in St Ana Cemetery, Remember; the church is right across the street from the police station and down the street from the ATM.
      I have been saying that it was ironic that while Beth was at the police station someone was getting Natalee ready for the cemetery across the street.
      When Joran was contacted he was home so everyone left to return to the Sloot’s and drove right past the police station and the church.

    401. Carpe Noctem on March 31st, 2007 12:25 am

      map / for #400

    402. Carpe Noctem on March 31st, 2007 12:32 am

      392 – Jerry, totally! PRE—-CISELY.

    403. Carpe Noctem on March 31st, 2007 12:43 am

      It absolutely for Davie Crockett sure happen at Joran’s apartment.


      Also the “safety factor” comes into play. If they are gonna
      perform a take down, they wanna do it where they know the surroundings like the back of their hands.

      A place where *THE RAPISTS have control of
      the settings and surroundings.

      knew his apt like the
      back of his hand.

      Pimp rumor has it, he also knew

      but I digress.

    404. 10061906 on March 31st, 2007 12:51 am

      Just to the r in alter is the Sloots. Just above the cross is the police station in noord.
      Straight down from the church is the bank of aruba and atm.
      A little further south is the entrance to the Lion’s Den.
      Thanks for the map

    405. 10061906 on March 31st, 2007 12:56 am

      By the way. An acquantenace of mine was a volunteer diver who went to Aruba searching for Natalee. He was never permitted to dive but he brought back sabout 50 great pictures; some of the police station and church.

    406. Carpe Noctem on March 31st, 2007 1:48 am

      DUM DE DUM DUM!!!!


      Did DIRTY HAND “Papito” also have a hand in

      the towing of the Van der sloot’s Red Suzuki

      from Montanja

      in to the so called “ALE POLICE GARAGE?”

      Enquiring Minds Want To Know, Like Me!

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    407. Richard on March 31st, 2007 8:20 am

      When Beth and party got to the van der Scum house, didn’t they (and the police) wait outside for some time?

      And if I recall, when asked where his dear little sporter son was, PvdS picked up a cell phone and called. Wouldn’t the normal response be something like: “I suppose he’s in his apartment. Let’s go see.”

      If whatever happened, with whoever involved, did happen at the vdS apartment or house (and I agree that other Pimps were involved, and that you wouldn’t try something planned on the beach or in public, where others might intervene), then either they had to move Natalee’s body … or they had to move Natalee ALIVE. No reason on Earth why the Pimps couldn’t have decided to hold her for a few days.

    408. Richard on March 31st, 2007 8:27 am

      Remember, too, that someone (was it Guido? or was it that other kid who served as a beach guard or something?) made a comment to the effect that: You’d be surprised what the tourist girls will do when we impersonate police officers.

      Certainly someone like Natalee, from a conventional American family, would be disposed to believe someone who was in the guise of a police officer. And maybe the clothes: remember that an American woman was approached on an Aruban beach by someone in police clothes who said she’d broken a law and said he’d let her off if she did an unspecified sex act. (That was in the Boston handouts.)

      I’ve always thought that comment was interesting.

      One question about the Aruba court’s decision on that 11 pm/4 am comment: it said there were two witnesses. Does that mean there were two witnesses who SAW PvdS and Natalee together that night (or who said they did), or does it mean there were two witnesses who HEARD the statement? I don’t know if it’s precisely clear.

    409. Richard on March 31st, 2007 8:29 am

      Come to think of it, wasn’t it GVC who made that statement about the police uniforms?

    410. waterboy on March 31st, 2007 10:30 am


      Thanks for the map. It is all right there isn’t it?

      To all,

      There have got to be other girls, ladies missing. We know about the one Dave Holloway mentioned in his interview with Dana, but I can’t find anything at all about her (I did, months ago). There have got to be others. I guess no one missed them. Maybe they were illegal, or from out of the country. Maybe they were a sacrifice to appease the demons of the night. I don’t know why they thought they could target Natalee and get away with it, but then again they have.

      There are dark, cruel, violent, wolf-like demons that walk among use. I don’t know how to protect our love ones from them. It is not like standing guard over the sheep, because in this case the wolves are among the sheep and we can’t tell them from the flock.

      Sometimes you can tell when the wolves are around, sometimes you can not; but the time that is the most dangerous is when you can not tell they are around. They will jump on you and bring you down and chew your throat out before you know what happen. Wolves hunt in packs (like my favorite animal–the coyote). They size up their prey quickly. They don’t always take the weakest or the smallest, but the most venerable (there is a difference). The wolves we are hunting pick their prey by the texture of their skin, and the curves of their bodies.

      Wouldn’t it be nice if all the predatory demons could be weeded out of society? Sombodies have blood on their hands for allowing the demon (s) that killed Natalee to escape. They will live to regret it when these same demons target their loved ones. It will happen. That day is near.

      Koen was there. He may be the only one who could not stand the taste of blood. When the wolves started feeding, he retreated. They threatened to rip his insides out, and that is why he slept with his mom for two weeks and wet his pants every time there was a knock on the door. He’s a big, weak, delicate, coward; and he’s the weak link in all of this. He is not the type soldier you would want watching your back-side. He is not the gun bearer you want holding the back-up gun, cause when the rhino is charging and you are reaching for the back-up, you will only be fanning thin air. He’ll be up the nearest tree.

      You better tell, Koen. Your “buddies’” are going to hunt you down, and skin you alive. They will tan your hide (or leave it bloody) and hang it from the nearest flag pole as a warning for all. They are looking for you. They will find you. They know your are hiding under your mommies skirt.


    411. Carpe Noctem on March 31st, 2007 11:10 am

      “Koen was there. He may be the only one who could not stand the taste of blood. When the wolves started feeding, he retreated.”

      You got dat right, brudda.

      Ol’ Koen McPoozle took a wiz in his ‘loonies and ran
      and jumped up in bed with his mammy, that 225 pound quantam boo-tocks, jiggly gut load!

      Hope she didn’t have a water bed. Even Noah didn’t
      have to deal with waves THAT BIG! A tidal wave like
      that could take out 50,000 islanders in shot. TRAGIC.

      Yo Koen, I just wanted to remind you in case
      you ferrrrrrrgawwwt, I looked it up in my day planner

      …and it still says YOUUUU SUCKKK! – Justice 4 Natalee

    412. Carpe Noctem on March 31st, 2007 11:27 am

      Hey WB Jerry ,

      Did you hear that “PAPITO” also

      runs a tow truck service on the island

      called YOU GUESSED IT — ‘PAPITO TOWING?’ (re 406)

      Now what really gives me a round house kick to my effin Easter eggies… is the following picture!!!

      Look who is towing Joran’s psychological science
      project of a FATHER’S >> RED SUZUKI vehicle.

      That is kind of TOO MUCH full service EVEN for the A.L.E., huh?

      They arrest ya, they tow it, wash it up, & shammy shine the chrome rims, and squirt with lemon mist for that fresh
      new car smell…. Sometimes all in afternoon.

      “ARUBA, UNBELIEVABLE!” – Dirt-puck Kalpoe


    413. Carpe Noctem on March 31st, 2007 11:32 am

      It really hits home when you realize that

      Edwin Comemencia



      We knew his sorry a$$ was DIRTY HAND!!!!

      … but we had NO IDEA

      He was also…

      “DIRTY TOW”


    414. Carpe Noctem on March 31st, 2007 11:57 am

      Prime Minister Nelson Oduber has said “nobody stands above the law” on the Dutch Caribbean island, a haven for American tourists.

      (with the exception of Jan Van der Straaten, Karin Jaansen
      Papito Comemencia – Dirty Hand, das Van der Loompas, and
      those pesky wee-on Kalpoes who, IF THEY GO DOWN, will
      pull Palus Van der Sloot’s 6 1/2 foot 230 pound
      predatory female assaulting INCUBUS
      with ‘em.) Sheesh!

      Whatta sick world. ARUBA

      ONE HAPPY ISLAND, my friggin tookus.

    415. 10061906 on March 31st, 2007 12:10 pm

      410,409,408 and 407:
      It was Michael Dompig and Geoffrey von Cromvoirt that made those statements on a tourist web-shot album. I have the pictures and the caption read: “You would be surprised what we can get the girls to do when we tell them we are police officers”. Also; “This is Michael Dompig he is the son of the police commissioner”. That was with Michael and Andreas. Strange that Andreas and Michael have not been pulled in for questioning. (That will never happen)
      I also have pictures of Geoffrey in an Aruban Police tee shirt. Remember his sister is a police officer. He also patrols the beach in an ATV.

      I didn’t mean that they kept Natalee alive for two days. When I eluded to is that she was dead and they kept her body for a few days in the cemetery. Their modus operandus is to have their shark fest and return the victim to a location close to where they stay; not premeditated murder and not slavery. Get the girl, let’s have the fun and get her back before she wakes up and has to leave the island.

      As an aside you would be surprised how many web-shot albums are disappearing that have a picture of any of the suspects. I have down loaded quite a few before that happened.

    416. Maggie on March 31st, 2007 3:53 pm

      My take on the pick up by Paulus was it was a story they used and more than one person heard Paulus say and/or heard him say it on a wiretap. Paulus changed his 4am pickup when it didn’t fit the other parts of the alibi.Oh what tangled web we weave.. Joran saying, I lied to the cops because I didn’t want my father to know I went out without him knowing it. Well that wouldn’t work if Paulus said he picked Joran up at 4am, instead of 11. Framing 2 people for kidnapping and murder, pretty well tells you, they knew she wasn’t coming back. As Deepak said in jail to Mickey Johns, The dutch guy and his father/family sat around the pool and made up the Holiday Inn story.(before Natalee was known missing)

      One of the strange things is, Paulus said he left the casino that night because he had to get home so his son wasn’t home alone. The next night when Beth arrives with the cops. Over an hour they are driving around looking for Joran and not one time do we hear a mention of the kids at home alone or worrying about them being home alone. Paulus says, let’s go to the Wyndham he’s over there. big fat lie.

      The other time he was near Natalee my guess would be is at the casino earlier in the night. He should be held responsible for having/allowing his underage son in the casino with him, which led to meeting the MB students. I’m sure that was one of the many times he was in the casino underage. Joran’s favorite words, me, myself and I.IMO..

    417. Carpe Noctem on March 31st, 2007 4:38 pm

      Over an hour they are driving around looking for Joran and not one time do we hear a mention of the kids at home alone or worrying about them being home alone


      Hi Maggie -

      I do not believe the kid excuse. I believe that
      they were in Holland with Elsie The Cow…

      Paulus & Joran were enjoying guys & boys night
      out, only they were doing it “in.” (VDS House
      /J-Bo Apt) imho

    418. Richard on March 31st, 2007 5:33 pm

      415, you say “I didn’t mean that they kept Natalee alive for two days.”

      But I think it is very possible indeed.

    419. 10061906 on March 31st, 2007 6:14 pm

      Richard: If that were the case where to you think they may have kept Natalee. If she was alive ofter the 30th., that would blow away my theory that she died at the vds and ended up in St Ana.
      Anita was due home within that time period. So unless Anita was in on it, Natalee was not at VDS alive after the 30th.

    420. Richard on April 1st, 2007 7:54 am

      #419, it could have been anywhere almost. On a boat, in someone’s house (Lorenzo van Rijn comes to mind in particular), in some seedy motel that also serves as a rendezvous for drug deals and is controlled by drug lords…

      Someone I know has brought up an interesting point about secluded places INLAND. For example, a mountain that reportedly has a lot of caves. Or some of the choller shacks in the middle of the island, out of tourist areas.

      I’m sure that PvdS, at least, has the brains to know that since Joran was seen with Natalee at the casino, HIS house would be the worst place to detain a missing girl.

      Since Lorenzo van Rijn’s house is already fenced off, that might seem a likely place. But the kiddie porn guy, Freddy, must have had a work area too. Or Mr. Pink ….

      Remember, too, the case I mentioned that happened up here in Vermont some years back. In the middle of the city, a guy kept his girlfriend sedated by regular injections of heroin. That’s all it would take.

    421. freedom on April 4th, 2007 10:33 am

      Evil minds and evil thoughts. Some people here should get a life.

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