Updates from the Boston Travel Show … “Justice for Natalee” Part 3


More from the Boston Travel Show … “Justice for Natalee”


(Inside the Convention Center)




(Hotshot being interviewed by Boston TV)

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(Others protesting the NY Times & Boston Globe)



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  • Updates from the Boston Travel Show … “Justice for Natalee” Part 1
  • In Aruba They Strike and Protest for Higher Wages but not Justice for Natalee

  • Comments

    108 Responses to “Updates from the Boston Travel Show … “Justice for Natalee” Part 3”

    1. Carpe Noctem on March 25th, 2007 3:46 pm

      I don’t *HEART* The NY Times. ROFL


    2. houston on March 25th, 2007 3:50 pm

      Aruba has a lot of nerve showing up in Boston….wish they would come to Texas, maybe even Houston…Thanks for the pictures.

    3. Patti on March 25th, 2007 4:05 pm

      We live in a world that would leave us feeling defenseless, helpless to its’ violence and despair. Our children are being attacked, molested and murdered as, what used to be considered our future doesn’t seem to be important anymore. Our women are being sold, as if slaves, into an industry that supports the need for, just, five minutes of pleasure. Our streets are filled with the violent ones that think that having another hit off the pipe will give them what it takes to get through another day while our families are torn and battered in the struggle to “just get by”.

      It’s no wonder, when faced with the reality that there are those that are still willing to take the time to lend a helping hand to a family in need, that they should fall under criticism. As that is what we have all become… a bunch of belly-achers consumed; not with what is right, but what suits us at the time.

      I thank those in Boston for their strength, their kindess and their love; as what they are doing is not for the good of them or their own, but for us.

    4. Carpe Noctem on March 25th, 2007 4:05 pm

      Keep doin’ it, Monkeys!

      Sheesh, almighty the board trolls are out
      in force. Like I haven’t seen in ahile!
      No good buncha cock-a-roaches.

      You Boston peeps must be
      doing ssomething good.

      BOYCOT ARUBA! Justice 4 Natalee

      JORAN 6/09/2005 Interrigation


      There we bought a “Yard Whisky Coke”. Such a drink costs U.S. $ 12,-. It is a plastic cup and it
      comes in different colours. I payed for all three drinks. I got a RED CUP but I do not remember now what colour cups Deepak and Satish got.


      Natalee said to me that she needed a “chaser” in order to drink the Bacardi.

      Natalee drank my whisky coke as a “chaser” and then she drank the Bacardi 151 in two goes.

      Natalee trusted him enough to drink out of his drink.
      ( it takes seconds to put it in a drink in liquid form – how easy is that when you’re spiking your own drink? A knowlegeable
      friend could help even.)

      At approximately 01.15 hours, we walked from Carlos & Charlies to the outside.

      ‘JORAN GETS RID OF THE EVIDENCE’ – A few steps from the Carlos & Charlie’s exit door.

      After that Natalee, Satish and myself walked outside because Carlos & Charlies was almost empty.
      Outside I met an American tourist and he asked me if he could get my cup for free.
      ***** I threw out the little cola that was still left in the cup and then I gave it to the tourist. **********

      I had told her (Natalee) that I would take her home with me
      ******* but I knew that that would be impossible because my dad and my brothers were home.********

      CUT TO JELLO-SHOTS – A great diversion, when Joran is with Natalee, drinking jello shots from her belly.
      Where is Joran’s YARD – and don’t effin tell me it’s in his HAND, cause he sounds “pretty busy.” Bigger name
      on the other line.

      While I was talking to Natalee, Satish stood beside me the entire time. (mixing the magical potion?)

      Then Natalee said that she also wanted to drink a Jellyshot but the bartender told me that that bar was closed. After that Natalee and me walked to another bar that was still open at that time. I asked the bartender two shots of Bacardi 151. I still had the whisky coke in my hand. Natalee asked me if she should drink the Bacardi 151 in one go. I answered her affirmatively and she answered me that she would do it in two. Natalee said to me that she needed a “chaser” in order to drink the Bacardi. Natalee drank my whisky coke as a “chaser” and then she drank the Bacardi 151 in two goes. I payed for the two shots of Bacardi 151. I do not know where Deepak stood at that moment but according to me Satish was still standing beside me. I did not ask for another kind of alcoholic beverage because I always drink Bacardi 151. Bacardi 151 is 151 proof and that means that it is 75.5% alcohol. —

    5. Patti on March 25th, 2007 4:59 pm

      In my opinion, the drugging is a ploy:

      A stratagem to obtain an advantage over ones opponent

      Who benefits from us all thinking that Natalee died of an
      overdose? If that was the truth, and all the hiding of
      the body was an attempt to cover it up, why would Paulus
      and Joran insist that it be told?

      She kept falling asleep…

      She slipped in an out of consciousness…

      If her death was the result of a drugging or an accidental
      death, why hide the body? If the Van der Sloots had the
      power to convince the Aruban government to look the other
      way, why wouldn’t they have just taken their chances and
      told the truth or something like it? They could have said
      that she died as a result of taking drugs willingly, but
      they didn’t… why? Because that’s not the truth.

      Natalee wasn’t drugged and she didn’t die of an overdose.
      She was raped and murdered, and, it was because of the
      violent way in which she died that made it impossible for
      them to release her body to her family.

      Just because someone tells you to watch your drink doesn’t
      mean that your daughter was drugged, does it? Besides, who
      was it that warned Mr. Holloway about that, and, wasn’t it
      a warning that suggested that the BAR was the one that did
      the spiking?

      Think about it…

    6. Carpe Noctem on March 25th, 2007 5:32 pm


      I agree with certain aspects of that. I just wanted
      to toss my two pennies in the well, and respectfully,
      give you my take on things.

      I do think that she was absolutely drugged, and Joran
      or Satish OR whomever slipped the drops in the drink
      gave her too much for her small system.

      She already had been drinking and having a good time.

      Which last time I checked, is what the ARUBAN ATA and AHATA hacks, ex-cons, and frauds try their buns off to market new rape victims from all over the world to do
      just that. (80 PERCENT FROM USA)


      That nightcapper was like TNT! They ambushed her on that
      one. (drugs)

      …and it was like heat seeking missle. IMO

      1. Drugs
      2. DNA from the Oranjestad Pimp Squad Rape Team
      3. Blood from a headwound from her attempted escape.

      I think that is what they would have found. I believe
      it began to be just a simple run of the mill ARUBAN
      PIMP VAN DER SLOOT / KALPOE RAPE HIT (maybe Freddy too)
      Something they do every weekend.

      and it turned in to Joran-stein Van der Sloot’s & the
      Kalpoe’s worst nightmare ever.

      Natalee broke not *ONE Aruban Law. Not even once!

      The Van der Sloot and the Kalpoes broke the law so many
      times, it looks like the effing menu of my favorite
      sandwich shop just down the street!

      Why that are not in jail for even one of the “SANTA SACK”
      full of laws that they have broken during this case continues to be one of the world’s mysteries.

      If they are not in jail for EVEN JUST ONE of the laws that they have broken. Either Aruba is run by BARNEY FIFE,
      or something is going on at a much deeper level.

      SO LET US LOOK MORE CLOSELY, and scratch deeper!
      I think Jossy told us that we will find MORE THINGS
      THAT STINK IN ARUBA. He is absolutely correct. -J4N

    7. mayan_moons on March 25th, 2007 5:40 pm

      Patti…i’ve felt the same thing for a long time now. That the reason they could not let Natalee’s body be found is because they so brutally beat her that they were terrified for anyone to see the horrible way they treated her small body.

    8. mayan_moons on March 25th, 2007 5:55 pm

      Natalee was drugged & led to Deepox car, what they did is akin to a blitz attack waged on a victim. These men have to use these tactics when they know they can’t simply charm the girls into their cars.

    9. mayan_moons on March 25th, 2007 6:02 pm

      Jurine did confess and Ale went to her body and saw the condition it shocked even them.

    10. Patti on March 25th, 2007 6:54 pm

      That’s right… even they were shocked and concerned. If the truth about what happened to Natalee got released by the media, it could mean the end to their tourism.

      I am not one that thinks for one minute that there is any truth to the lies. Joran hasn’t left behind some sort of secret code for us all to review in his statements that magically exposes the truth. His lies are self serving… invented by a man that has more than just a little knowledge about law with only one objective:

      To get his son off with no charges being filed

      If that means throwing in a red hering, about drugs, to shift the blame onto someone else, whether it be the Kalpoe brothers, Carlos and Charleys or, even, Natalee herself, he was willing to do it. If anyone with knowledge of the law were to read the statements, it is obvious that the lies that were told were designed to do just that… prepare a defense, an effective one, that could keep his son from going to prison.

      What about Joran? What type of person was he?

      He misrepresented himself from the beginning as being something that he’s not. A soccer player, an athlete, a scholar. He lured a young lady into trusting him. He lied about taking her back to the hotel, in which he was supposed to be a guest. He lied, too, in his statement about her wanting to go to his house… he had told her that he was from Holland, not Aruba. What would be the need to drug her? When she left with him, she told her friends that she was getting a ride back to the hotel, and in her mind, that’s what she was doing… simply getting a ride.

      Yes, she had a good time, just like umteen thousand other high school graduates want to have on their senior trip to the Caribbean. She is seen with the windows rolled down, her head out the window yelling, “Aruba!” as is the norm for everyother teenager that is out and about at one in the morning having a good time.

      But Joran wasn’t a student from Holland. He wasn’t a soccer player, a sporter as his mother liked to call him. He was a boy that had been in trouble his whole life. He was accused of drowning a boy at a birthday party when he was only 10. He was accused of pushing a boy through a glass store front as a young teen. He was a boy that terrorized even the members of his own family; and since the break-up with his girlfriend only days before meeting Natalee, he was reeling out of control.

      I don’t know what happened, nor do I know why. All I know, for sure, is that the death of Natalee was so horrific that, even the Prime Minister of Aruba wanted it hidden.

      Joran says, “Something bad happened”

      Aruba says, “There is no evidence”

      Paulus says, “No body, no crime”

      and Scared Monkeys says, “Boycott Aruba”

      We want justice for Natalee.

    11. Miss-Underestimated on March 25th, 2007 6:59 pm

      Yep u r right remember the words

      if they find the girl and see the s**t on her.

    12. Miss-Underestimated on March 25th, 2007 7:02 pm


      We have been saying the same if it was just murder, jusst rape and just overdose. Natalee would have been found, it was horrendous and too many top ppls sons and fathers involved either ddirectly or indirectly with disposal of Natalee’s body and the cover up of the crime.

    13. ben on March 25th, 2007 7:02 pm

      email coolaruba.com before you lof off,it a radio station let them know we dont forget. saw http://www.scrux .com 4 the first tine,paul vandersloot must run it.

    14. Waterboy (Jerry) on March 25th, 2007 7:11 pm

      So what is our bitty and why are we here?
      Some of us have been here 1 +1 year.

      We all seem to know the face of evil and who it must be.
      In the beginning there were only three.

      They were three incubus straight from hell.
      To harm and revenge they thought would be swell.

      In their twisted minds she had done something wrong.
      Anything would do, after all she wasn’t that strong.

      Where did he come from and who does he fear?
      He comes from Beelzebub’s den; his father whispers tattle in his ear.

      The father I speak of, of course there are two.
      And they both give him advice on what to do.

      The advice that they give is the same as events in the past.
      “Tell them nothing but lies, and respond to them in a blast.”

      proverb The guilty may conceal unworthy motives by reciting words that sound morally authoritative. Example: “I don’t even know that woman!” or “I dropped her off at the hotel.”

    15. Roy on March 25th, 2007 7:30 pm

      You’re right Patti: The VDS’s do keep insisting that it be told; Ie, the in and out of conscience, the falling asleep. So, iffn the Van Der Sloots want us to believe that, why back-track now…The Van Der Sloots threats has always been their leverage to stay out of jail….so it does seem reasonable to conclude that Natalee was drugged and that we have more than J2K to suspect….the great mystery you might say…”Who are they leveraging and betting against?

    16. Patti on March 25th, 2007 7:49 pm

      We have five people in Boston that are handing out pamphlets inviting people to come to this site and to support the family in their quest for justice, people that are just like us, searching for the truth about Natalee. The best thing that we can do is to give them something it read… something that might move them to join in the boycott.

      Let’s leave a good impression with Boston and plan to visit Maimi in April.

      Ms. U: We love you!

    17. charlierat on March 25th, 2007 7:51 pm

      Will it last?


      SM:   No (klaasend)

    18. 10061906 on March 25th, 2007 7:57 pm

      Repost for the new comers but appropriate…..

      There have been many times I have been so frustrated that this case has not been solved; that I felt like giving up. But I made a promise to Natalee’s soul that I would stay in it for the long haul until either she or her remains were brought back to Alabama.
      So a promised made is one to be kept.
      And it is not because Natalee is a white, well to do teenager that pushes me for closure.
      It is because the island of Aruba is so corrupt and they have basically given the Twitty and Holloway families and the world the bird. They have attempted to sweep the name of Natalee Ann Holloway off the face of the earth. The have prostituted themselves into a law of convenience and allowed the perpetrators to run the island. All the while the ads have read one safe and happy island. Aruba is a fake, a farce and a human disgrace. It is a rim of an ancient volcano. Its beaches are fake. The sand had to be imported. It is only 18 or more inches deep. What does Aruba have to offer? Nothing that I am or will ever be interested. Caves? Kentucky has over three hundred miles of underground caves. They are called the Monmouth Caverns. What else does it offer to tourists? Come visit the deserted oil refinery, the natural bridge that collapsed last September but is still advertised, the landfill, the water purification plant, the incinerator plant, the corrupt law offices and police stations, the casinos that are fixed to take your money or perhaps the hotel rooms that have video cameras in the guest rooms.
      In my opinion Aruba wasted its’ money going to the Boston Tourist Convention.
      Aruba is doomed and in time will be only a memory in a Beach Boys song.
      Write “Boycott Aruba Remember Natalee”…. on your currency

    19. charlierat on March 25th, 2007 7:58 pm

      Obviously I strike fear into this board. Who wants to comment about this opinion of mine?

      Don’t you people think you’re stretching just a bit, here? If, God forbid, something were to happen to me or someone I loved, I could only pray that the appropriate law enforcement agency would devote a fraction of the time, energy and resources to my case as ALE did to the Natalee Holloway case. Remember, even Cong. Bachus called the investigation by ALE “thorough and professional.”

      Do any of you seriously think that a boycott of Aruba, even if it is successful (which is a BIG stretch at this point), will help bring about the resolution of this case? Or is there some other reason for the renewed call for a boycott? This is really about punishing innocent people, isn’t it?


      SM:   OK, you win – I’ll let it go through but only because it’s so damn funny you suggesting a post by you would strike fear in anyone :)   :)   :)  

      NO – Charlierat, it’s about getting Justice for  Natalee  


    20. charlierat on March 25th, 2007 8:00 pm

      10062906, you say that the island of Aruba is corrupt but Rep. Spencer Bachus said that the investigation on Aruba was thorough and professional. How do you reconcile that?

    21. Carpe Noctem on March 25th, 2007 8:12 pm

      Rep. Spencer Bachus is not the ULTIMATE AUTHORITY ON ARUBA.


      This is not a renewed “Boycott Call”

      it has been going on forever.

      that LAVA NUGGET you call an
      “Island” would be a good


      For allowing Joran and the Kalpoes go free
      after he cold blooded murder & rape of Natalee

      That’s the reason.

      ANDRE DOS SANTOS – 06/20/2005 A.L.E. STATEMENT

      “A day before Joran was apprehended by you THURSDAY JUNE 8, 2005, I met Joran around 19.00, at the Aruba Raquet club. I asked Joran how he felt and he told me that he felt calm because the 2 security guards had been apprehended by the police force.” -J4N

    22. Patti on March 25th, 2007 8:17 pm

      Charlie Rat:

      Every man is entitled to his opinion. If any one is to judge the measure of justice coming out of Aruba, let it be the family of Natalee Ann Holloway, for it was their daughter who lost her life. Beth Holloway has asked this nation to support her in a boycott of Aruba as well as the other islands that make up the Antilles. We support her.

      If you are, seriously, interested in knowing the truth as we see it, there is plenty of information on countless pages of this website through which you can do so. However, if it is your desire to get one of us trapped in the mud with you, so to speak, to resort to name calling, we aren’t interested.

      And… you will go ignored.

    23. Carpe Noctem on March 25th, 2007 8:19 pm
    24. IndyDan on March 25th, 2007 8:25 pm

      #4 Carpe – LOL! yea that’s how you know when something has been said or done that’s really effective, the trolls come out of the woodwork.

    25. Roy on March 25th, 2007 8:29 pm

      I’ll bite rat…not everyone here is for a boycott….I haven’t been in favor of that for a long time….Initially I was but now see that it was a bad move….I’ve been very critical of Arubans, Dutch, and even Americans to include LE and most notably, Spencer Bacchus…..But when the tree has been shaken about as hard as it can, then what…. Boycott my own country; nope, won’t happen. As critical as I’ve been, I still view the principal players to this crime against Natalee as the 4 amigoes…. I do not believe they did this by themselves but iffn they want to maintain their silence, and Aruba in the end becomes satisfied with that stance, then perhaps the fence-post-sitters should indeed reconsider the boycott. I believe I understand some of the reasons Aruba did some of the things they did wrt to the investigation and I’ll go with that….for now. But to come this far, and then bail, as many seem to be doing, makes the Aruban investigation look like a farce….And those people you seem to be in disagreement with…well, they’ve been suggesting that all along, haven’t they?

    26. Patti on March 25th, 2007 8:39 pm


      On June 8th, Joran felt calm, relieved that there were two security guards that he and his father had framed for the murder of Natalee Holloway, sitting in a jail cell, being questioned about something that they knew nothing about.

      But on June 9th the tides turned and Joran found himself being held behind bars, under interrogation about the disappearance of Miss Holloway. Strong as he was, it would be just a matter of hours before he would crack under the pressure and confess that “something bad happened” that would lead to a recovery mission… recovery of the body of a young girl gone missing.

    27. Maggie on March 25th, 2007 8:40 pm

      Charlie Rat if it’s so insignificant,,that why bother coming here to comment.

    28. Carpe Noctem on March 25th, 2007 8:46 pm

      IMO Roy is a poser for the Aruban Government,
      and he throws in the word ‘iffin’ a lot
      to try and sound like he just walked off

      Again, just what I think.

      Roy, you never answered my question. Is your
      last name Tromp, Roy Tromp?

    29. charlierat on March 25th, 2007 8:50 pm

      Hello, #21. I disagree with your summary dismissal of the opinion of Rep. Bachus. He was involved in the case (at the family’s request) from very early on. He was the one that told ALE how to formally request FBI assistance and he is the one that can confirm that ALE did, in fact, request FBI assistance within six hours of his telling them how. He continued (and still continues) to monitor the case closely and he met with a hand picked (by him) list of Aruban representatives in December of 2005 to ask them hard questions about the state of the investigation. After that meeting (which also included two Alabama District Attorneys and an undisclosed number of FBI agents), Rep. Bachus made his comment that the investigation by ALE was “thorough and professional.” He has never changed his opinion.

      And, hello to you, too, #22. Thank you for inviting me to read the forums at Scared Monkeys. Believe me, I have already read your forums (and I suspect you already knew that). Once upon a time, I was an active posting member of this board.

      I don’t want to seem rude, after all, I am on your board, but I do not put a lot of stock in the “information” about the case that gets posted here. To listen to you guys, one would think that Aruba is the second coming of Gomorrah. Of course, that is not accurate. Aruba is a peaceful, stable, pro-American democracy (not the kind of place that Americans normally boycott).

      Don’t get me wrong; I want the case to be solved and, if J2K actually are the guilty parties, I demand they be brought to justice. I just haven’t seen the evidence to support that conclusion yet. And it’s not because of corruption; remember, ALE’s investigation has been “thorough and professional.”

      I have seen nothing to justify a call for harm to innocent Arubans.

    30. dennisintn on March 25th, 2007 8:51 pm

      #20, bachus was lied to by the arubans he talked to. why is that heard to see? they’ve lied about everything else and to everyone else, why not bachus?

    31. charlierat on March 25th, 2007 9:01 pm

      Well, okay, #30. If you don’t like what someone says, it is very simple to say they are lying (or that they were lied to).

    32. Carpe Noctem on March 25th, 2007 9:03 pm

      Hey here’s a good piece on Bachus. Love that guy,
      what a JD sausage link he is, huh?

      WIRE TAPS:

      What else was recorded? That WIRE TAP is the tip of the iceberg. There will be more to follow and the outrage will certainly be JUSTIFIED.

      When Alabama Congressman Bacchus left the meeting with the Aruban Delegation in Washington, he was asked by Greta Van Sustern what were the Arubans upset about? He replied – “WIRE TAPS”.

      So you have the US Federal Government wire tapping phones on Aruba and the Aruban Authorities tapping phones of the suspects. The answers to the case are right here.

    33. Roy on March 25th, 2007 9:08 pm

      My apologies Carpe; you’re right, I didn’t answer…. But no, Name’s not Tromp but you did peak my curiosity and I googled the name…I need to go read about him a little to see iffn he is worthy of a name so country….And inspite of your little knock….about as country as country can get and proud of it.
      An Aruban poser? Please, I ain’t laughed this hard in weeks… I can still say ain’t…can’t I?

    34. Carpe Noctem on March 25th, 2007 9:14 pm

      Don’t get me wrong; I want the case to be solved and, if J2K actually are the guilty parties, I demand they be brought to justice. I just haven’t seen the evidence to support that conclusion yet

      Respectfully Charlie, you can’t just sit around
      and stoke your firepoker, waiting on someone to bring
      you “DE EVIDENCE” to see if Joran and the Kalpoes are
      innocent or guilty. That’s been a lot of ARUBA’S

      You actually must dislodge your fat ass up & out of your Carlos and Charlie’s chair
      and put your “YARD CUP” down, dude.

      …AND go do some leads and follow ups!

      A little less SIESTA TIME…

      a little more JUST DO IT,

      ok? -J4N

    35. charlierat on March 25th, 2007 9:16 pm

      Sorry, #32, I’m not following you there. Your comment doesn’t really make any sense and you seem to draw conclusions out of the thin air. How does Bachus’ comment (assuming that is what he really said) lead you to conclude that the U.S. Government was wiretapping phones or that this somehow contains the key to solving the case?

      If the FBI, or some other U.S. Government agency is in possession of wiretapped conversations that solve the case, why are they keeping it a secret?

    36. mishy on March 25th, 2007 9:26 pm

      Charlie Rat…put. the. bong. down…

    37. Carpe Noctem on March 25th, 2007 9:26 pm

      In honor of the Aruban Government to show
      some kind of form of HUMAN DECENCY before
      laying pipe? Just my opinion.

    38. charlierat on March 25th, 2007 9:26 pm


      My fat ass? My yard cup?

      I have been completely respectful to you and everyone else since Klaasend lifted the ban on my posts (thank you for the courtesy, Klaas). Why are you trying to insult me with grade school taunts?

      I will gladly respond to the substance of yours or anyone elses comments but I chose not to participate in personal attacks against any of you on your own board.

    39. Observer on March 25th, 2007 9:30 pm

      Hi Monkeys,

      Just got back from boston day 2!!

      We heard some several people we were on fox news twice..Last night and today.. We think the local nbc as well :)

      I just posted my day today and forgot to put in the math question!! It erased it!!LOL

      Im super exhausted so it may be a while before I type that back in..Tryin to listen to Dana know!! May have to wait for the podcast though.. Having some difficulties..


      SM:   Hi Observer – I was able to get Richards part of the Dana interview on YouTube.   That is segment #1. Youtube segment #2 will have you and Hotshot.   I’ll have that on YouTube tomorrow.   You can listen to Richards segment from the link on the front page if you can’t get into the show.   GREAT JOB IN BOSTON! (klaasend)

    40. mayan_moons on March 25th, 2007 9:37 pm

      Rat…..Explain Deepock telling Jurine he’s gonna get 15 years IF they find the girl

    41. Carpe Noctem on March 25th, 2007 9:37 pm

      I bumpered it with RESPECTFULLY. What more do you want?
      You’re touchy, Charlie. =)

    42. mayan_moons on March 25th, 2007 9:39 pm

      Explain WHY Dompig is saying they (ALE) looked in ALLL directions and ‘ALL ROADS LEAD BACK TO JURINE AND KALPUKES”

    43. mayan_moons on March 25th, 2007 9:40 pm

      Explain Van der Stratten telling reporter “i know the girl (Natalee) is DEAD….Why? coz i’ve seen the EVIDENCE and you haven’t”

    44. mayan_moons on March 25th, 2007 9:44 pm

      Until you address what Aruba said and did you’re words mean Nothing.

    45. Observer on March 25th, 2007 9:46 pm

      Thx Klaas,

      Nice job!! Yeh my damn computer freezes when i click on that link to listen to him.. Im trying itunes now..

      Yikes.. I could barely hear Dana today and was super exhausted.. Can barely remember what I said..LOL

      Im sure kathy will post pics and fill ya in on her day later tonight.. Richard and justice probably tommorow.Im tryin to wake up enough to type,think and post again..LOL
      Been a long day with the commute and lack of sleep.

    46. mayan_moons on March 25th, 2007 9:49 pm

      Hey Observer!

      Can’t wait to read ALL about it, you guys did GREAT and i ‘m on Fox looking for you now!


    47. mayan_moons on March 25th, 2007 9:53 pm

      That goes for each and everyone of you…..i think back to Sharon Roacha, while Laci was still missing Sharon pleaded using Laci’s voice saying “please don’t leave me here alone….please don’t stop looking for me”

      I can hear Natalee saying those words too.

    48. charlierat on March 25th, 2007 9:55 pm

      Hello, Observer:

      I understand you must be tired but, did you get a chance to speak to anyone in the Aruban delegation? I think I recall seeing something to that effect. If so, what was your impression of them? Did you ask them how they felt about the case? Did you get the impression that they needed economic pressure to be asserted against them in order to get them to take the case more seriously?

      To the rest of you that directed questions to me, I repeat, the case is not going to be solved by you or me on internet message boards. You have all seemingly jumped to a (predictable) conclusion that I am all about exonerating J2K. I am not. In case there’s any doubt, let me clarify. I am an Aruban and I am all about defending Aruba from unjust and misguided attacks. Nothing more, nothing less.

      I have already stated my position on the subject of J2K; I do not see any evidence that they did anything other than what they said they did; that is, leave Natalee unattended on the beach within walking distance of her hotel. However, I am not giving J2K a total pass, here (surprise, surprise). If real evidence (not off the cuff comments taken out of context) points to J2K (or any combination of them), I am already on the record that I will demand justice from them.

    49. sirensong on March 25th, 2007 10:01 pm

      Patti, your post #3 was excellent, and I agree with you 100% Thanks to you that went and spent your time in Boston for Natalee! May God bless you and return your kindness and selflessness 10 fold. The same goes to everyone on this board that is supporting the boycott and the family of Natalee. You monkeys are awesome!!

    50. sirensong on March 25th, 2007 10:05 pm

      Charlierat, why don’t you demand an accounting for why the J2K were not prosecuted for lying; obstruction? And why they got the right to not be questioned again?

    51. mayan_moons on March 25th, 2007 10:11 pm

      Just as i thought.won’t address what Aruban’s own LE said from the start.

    52. Carpe Noctem on March 25th, 2007 10:15 pm

      I have already stated my position on the subject of J2K; I do not see any evidence that they did anything other than what they said they did.


      That’s the problem right there, Charlie. When you match up Official A.L.E. Docs with what they say they did. Really very little pans out or matches.

      Why and average John Q. Aruban can not sit down and filter
      through that knocks my weed-whacker in the dirt.

      Why do facts not count?

    53. mayan_moons on March 25th, 2007 10:16 pm

      Oh and just so you know…..we’re not trying to solve anything on a message board.

      Our purpose here is to remind everyone that Aruba has yet to prosecute the guilty.

      And until they do it isn’t wise for Americans or anyone else to go there.

    54. Patti on March 25th, 2007 10:17 pm

      Yeah, we know… you have a position… you’ve even gone on record (LOL) and the Forum (MAJOR LOL)

      The last I heard there was over 500 pounds of evidence sent to the Hague and even the lead prosecutor in Aruba said that there was plenty of evidence for lesser crimes, but she was trying to prosecute Joran for the murder of Natalee. So please, let’s be honest with one another, you’re from Boston, right… straight off the “cuff”.

      Note: I’ve conversed with a number of Arubans and not one has ever talked about punishing innocent people; they have more sense than that. Please, don’t waste our time.

    55. Carpe Noctem on March 25th, 2007 10:19 pm



      JORAN’S FATHER PAY. -do you remember?

    56. Patti on March 25th, 2007 10:20 pm

      Thanks, Sirensong…

      And God Bless You, Too.

    57. charlierat on March 25th, 2007 10:34 pm

      This will be my last comment then it’s time for bed (school night, you know).

      #51, I did not evade your question. However, I do not try to answer questions that I do not know the answers to. Did you read my earlier comment where I said that I am not giving J2K a pass? Did you read my earlier comment where I said that I am not on a mission to exonerate J2K?

      That having been said, I will give a blanket response to earlier posts about comments made by Deepak and certain members of ALE. They hardly answer the question of what happened to Natalee and even less rise to the level of evidence that could ever be used in a trial against anyone.

      But (to repeat) J2K are not my dog in this fight; Aruba is. Aruba is hardly the evil corrupt place some of you seem to think it is (that seemingly justified the Boston demonstration). On the contrary, Aruba is a peaceful, stable, pro-American democracy – not the kind of place that Americans boycott.

      #50, in answer to your questions about why J2K were not prosecuted for lying and why they were not required to submit to requestioning after they were released in September of 2005, I state (trying my best to sound like a Proces Verbal, lol), that both situations involve due process considerations and the same thing would have happened in the U.S. under the American rules of criminal procedure.

    58. Patti on March 25th, 2007 10:35 pm

      AND… that’s the price they pay for covering the death of
      an American and holding her body hostage in the name of:


      Guess what?

      This is not about money….

      It’s about Justice

      Justice for Natalee
      Boycott Aruba!

    59. arubagirl on March 25th, 2007 10:39 pm

      #27: Because it’s so much fun.

      #55: For real, there is no collective suffering going on because of this case. Seriously.

    60. 10061906 on March 25th, 2007 10:55 pm

      Charlierat…I was going to respond to your question about Bachus. However you do not rate the time I would spend.

    61. Miss-Underestimated on March 25th, 2007 11:07 pm

      To put the magnitude of the coverup into perspective:

      The search of the Vandersloots home was called off by Pauleys Judge buddy. On top of all that has been said here, this in itself, smells of a corupt and covered investigation and goverment.

      Nations thru history have leveled sanctions against countries, regardless of how innocent that countries citizens are. There in lies the boycott, Aruba needs to tell the truth. The case of Natalee Holloway will not go away, until the truth is told.

      BTW unforgetable image of Dave Holloway digging in Aruba’s trash to find his loved daughter, only to have Aruba dump more trash for him to dig. And the Holloways and Twittys are to fell Aruba did all it could? Did all it could to cover up the crime, protect the perps and their corupt families, and distract this family from finding their daughter.

      Paulus said it loud and clear, no corpse no case. He new Natalee was dead.

    62. Carpe Noctem on March 25th, 2007 11:10 pm

      #59 Not at your level, ArubaGirl. I am aware of that.

    63. Miss-Underestimated on March 25th, 2007 11:10 pm

      In Jorans own words

      “Someday I will tell”

      Tell what and based on the comment his ass should have been brought in for questioning again.

      Oh, why wouldn’t Aruba let the FBI search and assist? If it was costing Aruba the big bucks they complained about, why wouldn’t they allow the FBI to assist, it wasn’t going to cost Aruba.

    64. Observer on March 25th, 2007 11:44 pm

      Yes I am exhausted and I will post my experience tommorow when I am rested..Cant keep my eyes open. Another good day as I think we passed out every hand out except 2 or 3. Beth’s sign was out.. So we had 2 big signs out today!! My day yesterday was unbeleavable!! I was so pumped up I couldnt sleep when I got back. So yesterday was hard to top!! But all in all a great day. I know the other bloggers have lots to share!!

      Red,Aruba did spend huge dollars at this event!! These ATA members were absolutely schooled in what to say about natalee. Unfortunately they had the one troll in the front by the entrance..I am sure it was the mis-information booth. I dont even want to know what she was telling people.. I may have puked right there..I had a guy watch me/us for at least a hour today who I know was Aruban. Older guy..Sun glasses..LOL! Im sure observing and relaying what we were saying back to Aruba. Sir?? You coulda been less obvious!!

      I talked to at least 7 Arubans in detail today.
      What did I think of these Arubans?? Well they were nice as expected.. I mean cmon we know we made a huge diffrence as people saw us and then the huge aruba area right inside the door. One of the others mentioned they looked real unhappy with us earlier in the day. I said of course..LOL What did you expect..lol We encouraged people to tell those arubans how they felt so they would pass it on to there Govt. I heard at least 30 times today I will never go to aruba!! So many have been there..some several times..Its boston..Prolly 1/4 of them have been to Aruba in the past.

      Ill get into better detail tommorow as I want to choose my words carefully. Again nice Aruban people and I enjoyed our talk’s..Lets just say alot wanted to play the simple aruban and its the govt what can they do about it? Some didnt have opinions..One of the girls knew nothing and didnt have a opinion but then we talked about carlos and charlies.. She likes to go as its alot of fun.. I agreed.. But wanted to tell her a story.. When Dave Holloway first arrived in aruba he met a investigated in the case.. He told dave how much money do you have? He also said go have a beer and she will show up.. But to watch the drink as people have been known to put (something)drugs in them. I couldnt let the talk be all about non natalee related talk :)

      However I had to mention Paulus Van Der Sloot. I could see heads turning..I was playing with kathy and called her a liar..Mentioned how much I hate liars!! I asked kathy if she could break Juron’s record of 22 lying stories..lol.. It was all in a fun nature.. I noticed after that a note was handed to her.. Kathy asked her if that meant to be quiet and she kinda admitted it. Look we all know its not the good people of aruba. They understood our cause as well. They all knew who I was I told them all that at the very beginning.

      Another Aruban said it would take all day to talk about Natalee..I agreed..He did mention that sloot was slime/dirty but denied he had any power. He’s a lawyer now..etc..Has his own law firm..I said we all know with antonio carlo.. Said the Arubans dont like the sloots. He mentioned that he is good friends with commencia(Papii) and hes a good guy and has no relation with joran or the sloots. I said really what about jan van der stratten? I have the feelin he was gonna tell me the same but wanted to talk in a few minutes.

      Look I knew talking to the aruban’s was pointless but I wanted them to understand why the hell we were there!! I did it for my own curiosity. Also.. Again to let them know we dont hate arubans!!

      Kathy took all of the pictures.. But I have a few also I will post tommorow with the rest of my day.

      Thanks for all the kind words and great support!! I wanted to mention all my favorite monkey’s with Dana but it was tough on that cell phone.. You guys rock the house!!

    65. Patti on March 26th, 2007 12:04 am

      No, Observer….

      YOU Rock the House!!!

    66. katablog on March 26th, 2007 12:08 am

      charlierat: Must be our old john boy.

      Anyway, do tell us why:

      1. If the boycott ain’t working, why is tourism in Aruba going into the toliet?

      2. If the 3 creeps only did what they said, which set of statements are you going with? Did Joran walk home, or did Deepak or Satish pick him up? Which one is lying and why?

      3. If the 3 creeps only did what they said they did, why did they lie about taking Natalee to the Holiday Inn?

      4. Where’s Joran’s shoes? Why did he say he wore an 11 but have only a size 9 on when interviewed in jail?

      5. If the 3 creeps only did what they said, why did Dompig say they were guilty as sin?

      6. If the 3 creeps only did what they said, why did one of the boys’ attorneys have to confess that Joran was involved to Karin Janssen?

      7. Heck, if they only did what they said, why did they need attorneys at all? Why did they have to co-ordinate stories around the swimming pool with daddy creep if they were telling the truth? Why was daddy and mommy creep so interested in what everyone else told the police if boy creep was telling the truth?

      8. If the 3 creeps were telling all, just what was the “confession” about that had to be suppressed because they interviewed Joran after hours? Why was there an announcement after that confession that Natalee was dead and one of the perps were leading them to the body?

      oh we could go on and on…………. but we will let you answer these first.

    67. Molly on March 26th, 2007 12:25 am

      This is a very exciting report. Glad that Observer got to talk to the Arubans and let them know what we are really about. They will go home and tell their families and friends about how people really feel about Natalee Holloway. Hopefully, the word will get around and someone will feel like talking–the truth.

      Meanwhile, Justice for Natalee. Thanks for all the work in Boston.

      molly (in Houston)

    68. yoyo muffintop on March 26th, 2007 12:42 am

      katablog – answer this, because until this is answered nothing after really matters: Why did Frances Ellen Byrd say she saw Natalee back at the hotel that night?

    69. hotshot on March 26th, 2007 1:39 am

      I want to answer Charlierat…..Yes unlike your blog says, we did talk to the Arubans at their booth, and did tell them right up front who we were. Yes they for the most part were very nice people, and I do feel sorry for the poor Joe Shmo who is working trying to keep his family alive. I have been told they fear their government, yet can’t change how it opperates. I was told the Sloots are osterized and so are the Kalpoes. I understand your rules are different then ours, but, this is how BAD people get to go free and do it again. It happens here too. I was on the up an up on everything I talked to them about. They had one or two Bad apples at that booth, who thought that saying “Natalee who?” was going to tick us off, however, it was just ignorance on their part. We had to laugh. You guys had the chance to change your officials not so long ago, why didn’t that happen if the island fears their own? Its well known that Aruba is mafia run, there are ways to change that too. The people I met over the week-end were nice to say the least, and I am sorry they are suffering for 2 families stupidity. I think they need to get a backbone and get this case solved, one way or another before the rest of the real people who count on that island suffer. They are afraid to talk. In fear of ending up like poor pitbull, bless his soul. One woman said that Aruba is more safe now then ever, which maybe true, but the cover-up type people are still there. They may not have their possitions anymore, but are still in the background. Hey….why did they leave their possitions? Why did alot leave the island? Fear of dying can do that to a person, right? Poor Guido, had to leave right after it all happened, hmmmmm, and lets not forget Gottenbos too. Yes, Krazy Kath I am, for what though? For putting my feelings into something I feel strong enough on doing? Natalee needs to come home, once and for all, and put her to rest. Can you help?

    70. LilPuma on March 26th, 2007 5:35 am

      #69. Hotshot. At least they said “Natalee” and not “the girl”. Great job.

    71. Patti on March 26th, 2007 7:12 am

      Hey Hotshot!

      I heard we’re doing a renewed call for boycott!

      Whow! You must have made quite an impression in Boston…

      Good Job!

      (See post #19)



      Whew…. He’s gonna be busy for a while.


      Charlie Rat:

      The Arubans that I speak to fear communism more than they
      fear justice. They tell us their police are dirty. They
      know what we’re all about. Sometimes they think we’re
      silly, but they love their children. It’s not about the
      suffering… it’s all about Liberty.

      Peace be with you…

    72. charlierat on March 26th, 2007 8:40 am

      This is like deja vu. The last time I posted on this website, the exact same thing happened. Nobody read a word of what I said; everybody jumped to incorrect conclusions about me; and everyone spouted off a litany of bogus claims as if they were proven facts.

      Way too many factually incorrect statements made since I went ot bed last night fro me to respond to them all. One in particular stands out, though. Tourism on Aruba is hardly “going into the toilet,” #66. Numbers for 2006 were down from the record year of 2005 but the decrease had been predicted as early as 2004 because of planned hotel closures for renovations. By the end of the year, when all but one hotel had re-opened, the numbers were right back where they left off prior to the upgrades.

      Aruba is successfully diversifying its economy and has several exciting projects underway. It’s economy is rock solid and tourism is doing just fine, thank you. Anyone that tells you otherwise is not telling you the truth.


      SM: You poor misguided individual. Even people within Aruba’s tourism industry are worried. But I guess that you know more than they do.

      The rest of the Caribbean is seeing massive increases, but somehow Aruba is pacing themselves.

      Spare us the propaganda. The people in Aruba and many in tourism are livid at the government as to how all of this was handled and continues to be so. If elections were tomorrow there would be a different party in power.

      The theory of if you build it they will come is a misnomer … Aruba to so many including those that do not follow the case closely has become synonymous with “that’s they country where that girl went missing and they did nothing”.

      Sorry Charlie.


    73. Carpe Noctem on March 26th, 2007 10:16 am

      “Anyone that tells you otherwise is not telling you the truth.”

      After the Natalee Holloway Case…

      I don’t take an Aruban’s WORD for squat..

      Not even the BOGUS
      tourist numbers
      the ATA/AHATA
      prostitutes pump


    74. charlierat on March 26th, 2007 10:33 am

      But I thought you didn’t hate Arubans. I thought this was all about justice; nothing more and nothing less. We’re back to where I was 24 hours ago. I see nothing here that makes me think that anyone is interested in any kind of “justice” other than the vigilante lynching of young men who may be innocent and, of course, destroying a peaceful, stable, pro-American democracy in the Caribbean.

      That is not justice; that is blind vengence.

    75. I Love America on March 26th, 2007 10:50 am

      Charlie, Charlie, Charlie! If Aruba were pro-american, you wouldn’t be kissing Venezuala’s butt, now would you!

    76. Carpe Noctem on March 26th, 2007 10:53 am

      You don’t have to HATE a people
      to simply not trust them C.

      Specifically, when you have been burnt
      by being lied to repeatedly.

      The only one talking about revenge
      appears to be you.

      Have a good un!

    77. charlierat on March 26th, 2007 11:22 am

      That’s what I’m talking about. Read posts #75 and 76. It doesn’t matter what I say or what the truth is; you people pull your own reality out of thin air.

      Carry on.

    78. Roy on March 26th, 2007 12:49 pm

      Carpe: 25 Aug, 2005 (CNN)
      –After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway’s disappearance, two brothers (kalpoes) were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted “together with OTHER PEOPLE” in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor’s office said.
      –They are suspected of the “Primary” criminal act of together with “OTHER PEOPLE” committing “PREMEDITATED” murder, alternately together with “OTHER PEOPLE” murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody, the statement said.
      –Earlier, investigator Roy Tromp said that Dutch interrogators would question the Kalpoes on Friday and Saturday. Aruba is a Dutch territory off Venezuela.
      –Tromp is the lead investigator for the Aruban police on the Holloway case
      ……………..Whatever happened to this Aruba…they seemed to be doing so well. This Tromp guy seemed to be turning the right stones but after 18 months, did Aruba turn a blind eye on the course of the investigation… It was a fair comparison Carpe but only in that I seem to believe much of what he was turning up….Other than that… he be dutch/aruban….I be here in Dixie.

    79. Pal'i Coco on March 26th, 2007 12:50 pm

      I agree with #77 and #72…Tourism on Aruba is hardly “going into the toilet,” #66. RIU-hotel is closed for building so the overall room-capacity is down…This means less rooms available…The numbers you quote from statistics are growth numbers…Less rooms means less growth…More rooms would mean more possibilities for growth…Growth is relative…If you don’t have the capacity you cannot grow in tourism numbers…Some people on this website are in desperate need of an economics course…(Carpe, R&T)…

      Charlie, it’s a waste of time discussing with people believing in their own “misguided truth”…

      Just look at this beauty:


      SM Maybe the Aruban propagandists would like to explain the following with their ridiculous notion that less rooms available are the reason why tourism is down.

      If that were the “il”-logical reason then why are not the hotels that have rooms at full capacity??? DUH!!! The rest of the Caribbean is flourishing, yet Aruba’s tourism is down because hotel rooms are being renovated. Do you know how moronic that argument actually sounds?

      The reason why other hotels are planning on building for the future is they are banking on in 4-5 years that maybe the tourism will come back. They are not doing it because they know it is there now. The ATA would not be so desparate if that were the case.

      Your theory not only is stupid in fact, actually its beyond idiotic. I guess those in the tourism industry who are suffering in Aruba are lying? I guess the empty beaches are lies too?

      I guess the CBA is lying as well?

      Please come up with a logical argument before you put forth propaganda? Thank you.


    80. Pali druif on March 26th, 2007 1:02 pm


      Ask yourselves if you really think that these big investors would invest in Aruba if there weren’t the prospects of growth???

      By the way, Jet-Blue increased it’s flights from New York…And flights from Boston are on their way…


      SM: Because they are hoping that Aruba’s tourism can only get so low.

      At this point the hotels and airlines are fighting over the same passengers. Its the buy low sell high theory. Also, its not unheard of for hotels are heaven forbid airlines make bad business choices … OH THAT NEVER HAPPENS … LOL


    81. vicki on March 26th, 2007 1:13 pm

      #77- WHAT IS THE TRUTH CHARLIE? After all this time just what is the freakin truth?

    82. Scared Monkeys on March 26th, 2007 1:55 pm

      To Charlierat who seems a bit thin skinned as to people’s attitudes or protests against Aruba … maybe you would like to get informed and take a good look at what is considered FREEDOM of SPEECH in the USA when people protest’s


      Be warned, this is highly offensive … yet those that protested against Aruba in Boston did so with class and civility.

    83. charlierat on March 26th, 2007 2:09 pm

      Actually, Red, hotel occupancy rates have remained at or over 70% for the last 21 months. Several months have seen occupancy rates in the upper 70% to lower 80% range.

      Anyone in the hospitality industry will tell you that those numbers are outstanding! The only number that has declined has been number of overnight visitors; which directly corresponds to the reduction in available hotel rooms.

      In addition to Jet Blue and Riu, Royal Caribbean is also making a huge investment in Aruba right now, as is another Spanish hotel chain (whose name escapes me) that will completely redo the Bushiri Hotel.

      Since you think that Aruba’s economy is doing so poorly and it’s all because of you, where are the results? Businesses are not closing; people are not getting laid off; poverty is not on the rise. On the contrary, from where I sit, it looks like Aruba is booming.

    84. Pali druif on March 26th, 2007 2:09 pm

      It’s very interesting seeing you R&T getting irritated at Aruba’s success…

      R: You keep telling all of us that: “The rest of the Caribbean is flourishing…etc etc” …”and Aruba is not flourishing etc etc…” I would like for you to give me your source for this conclusion and tourism/economics statistics from these other islands for me to analyze them…

      And I would like to know from you how much these tourists on these other islands are really spending per visit and what the hotel/flight rates are for these destinations…

      In short I would like to compare apples with apples and not apples with pears…

    85. Patti on March 26th, 2007 2:10 pm


      Go ahead and tell her the truth…

      Tell her how you would rather see your numbers go up than to help the crying mother of a missing child. Tell her how solving crime in Aruba is not a problem because there is no crime on Aruba, while Americans are being robbed in their sleep. Tell her how it’s more important that your casino’s be full than for an American to get a fair shake. Tell her how your “happy island” is all a lie… no one is happy because your government is lining its’ pockets with drug money while your children are being sold out to the drug lords. Tell her how your beaches are full of the dead as they swim off-shore to pick up the goods. Tell her how your island is full of death and despair because your own government is busy leasing out work permits for the sexual slaves that walk your streets and fill your crack houses. Why don’t you tell her about all the “missing-dead” that are shipped from island to island to service your diplomats and ministers? Tell her about how your own people fear for their lives as people are found hung in public places, poisoned and mutilated.

      “Ohhh, but we are just a small island” you say, while it
      could all be sooooo “simple”

      Come on down, America… dance to our drums.


      SM:   FYI Patti – Charlierat was born in Aruba but he does not live there.   He has only been back to Aruba once in the last 20 years.   ;)   (klaasend)

    86. charlierat on March 26th, 2007 2:18 pm

      Have you read my comments from last night, Patti? Did you read me say that I (like all Arubans) very much want the case to be solved. I defy you to show me how boycotting the island will help solve the case. How will economic decline (followed by the inevitable social and political instability) help solve the case?

      These are rhetorical questions; I’ll handle them myself.

      The obvious answer is, they will not!

      You are confusing your zeal to solve the case with your hatred. Exacting a measure of revenge against Aruba may give you some primal satisfaction but it will not get the case one inch closer to resolution.

    87. Achilles on March 26th, 2007 2:27 pm

      you show pictures of Riu Palace, now show us the shacks and crack houses away from the beach.I wouldnt go back to aruba if it were freaking free,spend my hard earned cash in the usa!

    88. Patti on March 26th, 2007 2:36 pm

      Ohhhh…. Gee, Charlie Rat!

      Good for you, Boy! I didn’t realize that you are one of the lucky ones that graduate off that sink-hole you call Aruba to rub elbows with the rich. You could always tell her the other side of the despair that comes from being a “blessed” child who’s parents can buy your way out of ANYTHING. What’d they do? Were you shipped off the island and sworn to secrecy, leaving all that death and demise, so faaaar behind you.

      Ahhhh… The Netherlands!


      SM: Charlierat’s father worked at the refinery and that’s why he was born there.   He lives in the USA and has only been back to Aruba once in the last 20 years.   He is Aruban because he was born there, not because of his ethnicity.   (klaasend)

    89. Roy on March 26th, 2007 2:53 pm

      Wow…Charlie…you seem very animated. Tell me, how much closer has “not boycotting” Aruba brought this case to resolution. I can see your animosity towards the few that have pushed that cause but America on the whole has not boycotted your native land. By making those few go away, answer me this….What is Aruba’s incentive for bringing this case as you say “one inch closer”…. They may be off in their reasoning but hey…. That’s why it’s called “Freedom”….. If it’s about the money, it shouldn’t be…It’s a criminal case and family tragedy, that should be the focus; bringing closure………….If it’s about the insults…with all due respect, grow a thicker skin… I was called an Aruban poser yesterday, I thought it was funny……..You ARE Aruban, you should laugh too… While everybody might not like everybody here, that’s OK…We are here for Natalee, not ourselves.

    90. Arubaanse on March 26th, 2007 3:04 pm

      # roy, i agree 100% with you and you are right, we are here for Natalee.

    91. mayan_moons on March 26th, 2007 3:05 pm

      One can hardly blame would be investor(s) of taking advantage of Aruba’s stupidity by low balling on all kinds of transactions. I encourage any investor to prepare for the long haul and haggle Aruba down to the bare bones, as they brought this all on themselves.

    92. Patti on March 26th, 2007 3:08 pm

      Charlie Rat:

      I’ll tell you a little secret…

      There is nothing more obvious than a liar that won’t put his cards on the table. Aruba made a bet that they could out-smart and bluff their way out of crime that touched the hearts of many.

      They bet we’d go away…

    93. Observer on March 26th, 2007 3:32 pm


      Patti you are absolutely correct. I beleave Joran did crack and the ALE know’s exactly what happened to Natalee way back in june 2005. Makes this all more sickening if you look at everything they have done since the retraction of the “confession” This is no cold case by any means..

    94. Patti on March 26th, 2007 3:53 pm


      First, I want to thank you. You are a hero. I salute you, as well as the others, that have taken it upon themselves
      to “warm” up this case in the hearts of Bostonians.

      I agree with you… It’s not over.

      Thanks, again.

    95. Patti on March 26th, 2007 4:08 pm

      But… What happened next?

    96. Patti on March 26th, 2007 4:20 pm

      And… are we ever going to get Natalee back?

      Sometimes it’s like a nightmare where there is
      no hope for a happy ending, while at other times
      I think Natalee may still be alive. I don’t know
      everything, but I do know that there are angels
      and, someday, the truth will be revealed.

    97. Miss-Underestimated on March 26th, 2007 4:20 pm

      26 & 93

      There has to be another element here. I think the ALE would have sent Joran to jail, if it were that simple. There has to be an element of other’s sons being involved or other fathers. It would have been so simple to let Joran and the two Klap-hoes pay the price. Somebody owed somebody or somebody did something. SOMEBODY is somebody who has far reaching tentacles.

      BTW Observer. ….Good job….(pat on back)

    98. Maggie on March 26th, 2007 4:42 pm

      #68 YOYO.. This is what Francis said and she didn’t say she saw Natalee BACK at the hotel that night.. She says, she saw her that night, twice.

      Interviewer: Let me ask you, Frances Ellen, when is the last time you saw her?
      Frances Ellen Byrd: That night.
      Interviewer: Yes, you saw her the night…
      Frances Ellen Byrd: I was with her that night.
      Interviewer: You were with her that night.
      Frances Ellen Byrd: Yes. Yes.
      Interviewer: All the friends went back to the hotel. And did you all see her go back to the hotel or not?
      Frances Ellen Byrd: I am just leaving it that we saw her there.
      Interviewer: Saw her that night.
      Frances Ellen Byrd: Right

    99. Observer on March 26th, 2007 5:13 pm

      Miss-Underestimated and Patti,

      I think it was a combination of several things. Yes I beleave that the other fathers played a part. Mr.Wever and Mr.Gottenboes to be exact. Dont forget the Judge and Ben King were at the sloot household the day of the search.

      We know paulus did a big favor for Mr.King in the past..We know that dompig’s brother in law lied and incriminated the two innocent security guards at the very beginning to get them arrested. We know paulus has some very close contacts with those that were involved in the Investigation early on and still influential.

      I’m sure Paulus played all his card’s after Joran was finally arrested. Did he have dirt on someone like Rudy Croes? Things were gonna get ugly for quite a few people..I think they had a big meeting after the confession and they thought it would be best to cover it up for there tourism and move on. Worst thing that could have happened was everyone finding out that Natalee was drugged,raped,murdered and it covered up by some dirty cops. Not good for tourism…Like Paulus said..I would tell more but too many people would get hurt..

      Look at what happened to the girl in aruba..Who was raped and pictures taken of her by other schoolmates and posted on the internet.. Did she get any justice??

    100. Maggie on March 26th, 2007 5:23 pm

      Ale’s investigation has been thorough and fair..lol.. First night Joran and Deepak were questioned they were caught in lies. I don’t know Natalee or her name, when they went to the Holiday Inn to point out the guards who approached Natalee, they couldn’t do it, guard there didn’t even wear the color clothes,that Joran and Deepak described. Within a few days, Beth along with other police watched the Holiday Inn tape and seen Natalee didn’t return to her room. Still Straten said he believes Natalee is dead, he seen the evidence, and they went out at dawn, searched and arrested 2 guards on suspicion of murder and kidnapping. For 9 days the last ones seen with Natalee were allowed to meet everyday and get more lies together, get lawyers, meet with Joran’s father, cry no body, no case, clean the car more than once, while the cops had already seen the tape and saw that Natalee didn’t return to the Holiday Inn. When they did talk to the 3 it wasn’t at daylight on a home raid, where they searched everything.. Over 9 days later,, the only searched Joran’s room and they got to go to the police station for questioning. The full search warrant was turned down, even when Paulus was arrested too. While others are out searching for Natalee, they are concocting more lies.

      There is not one piece of evidence that Natalee was at the beach that night. Deepak’s loud car noone seen or heard it, twice it was there according to Joran. Joran leaving his shoes with Natalee’s by the beach, no shoes found. All those people walking on the beach, not one has come forward to see him and Natalee there. Fisherman, none saw anyone matching Joran and Natalee’s description that night. Joran says he didn’t want to go back to get his shoes because he didn’t want to walk down by Natalee. After claiming he left his shoes by the beach at the Marriot, nowhere near Natalee at Fisherman’s huts. Joran says Satish never did get out of the car when he picked him up, yet he says We got in the car and drove away. Who’s we? He walked home barefoot, Deepak let him out and they dropped Natalee off at the HI, They all dropped Natalee off, they went to the lighthouse, they didn’t go, all kinds of sexual stuff, none, no condom, She was nice, she wasn’t. She was drunk, a little drunk, she wasn’t drunk at all. She asked to come to my house, she asked me if I wanted her to come to my house, she asked me to CnC, her friends asked me, we went to my house and sat out front, we didn’t go because I didn’t want to wake my family up, he lied to her friends and Natalee about who he was and his age, he lied about numerous places they went, he lied about winning money back for her, he said she was doing drugs and possibly drinking, then he says he never did see her doing drugs, he said beth read his statements so she knew the truth, yet he went on to lie time and time again in them changing his story over and over, someone is searching on the computer drugs, alcohol and lawyers right after Natalee’s gone, Deepak told Mickey John’s in jail that the father family sat around the pool and made up the Holiday Inn lie, that was used the night beth and the cops showed up and would’ve had to been made up before it was public that Natalee was missing, Paulus took joran his tennis bag while he was walking to the Wyndham, yet Joran said he played tennis put his bag behind the counter and was walking to the Wyndham, Paulus also says he didn’t say no body no case, but the prosecutor is on tape saying he did and he confirmed it to her.. Jaimie Joran’s friend said Joran called him on that sun to ask him to go out to meet some MT brooks students at CnC between 4 and 7, this is before Joran was even asked to go by the girls he said and before he even decided to go after 9pm. He was gambling and drinking underage along side his father that night and drinking rum and whiskey at CnC underage,.and there’s ,much more.

      Statistics, the last person with someone.. None have the same story about what took place that night, none agree on anything except they were with Natalee, An 18 year old girl who worked hard all her life and had already bought clothes for college events later in the summer don’t go to a small island like Aruba and none of her friends have her acting abnormal or unusual, just those 3 who came in at closing time and whisked her out the door in the chaos of a crowd. Noone disappears with no passport, ID, money, clothes, food, transportation, telephone on an island that small, and noone dies accidently and buries themselves. If they find the girl they will see that chit, Joran will get 15 years if they find her, Not one searched for her, Deepak raped and buried her, Joran is sick, he steals money and fights, She wanted to stay on the beach and look at stars, there were no stars that night,, Where were all 3 the morning after Natalee disappeared. I can name you noone in history that engages in all this who is innocent. Innocent people would be out looking and doing whatever they could to find the girl, not lie for weeks about the location they took her, because that would be the ONE thing that could exonerate them.

    101. Pali druif on March 26th, 2007 6:17 pm

      Red I’m still waiting for your numbers and facts about your statement that “The rest of the Caribbean is flourishing…blah blah blah” …”and Aruba is not flourishing blah blah…” And what do you mean by “flourishing”…

      From where did you come up with this conclusion??? Did you make it up yourself…??

      And by the way, I would like to know how the economies of the other islands are doing, for instance Puerto Rico which has a bankrupt government and high unemployment and Dominican Rep. and Jamaica’s also high unemployment…

      Aruba on the other hand has a shortage of manpower…Unemployment is extremely low…And with the new projects there will be more need for workers…By the way, the government will come with a plant for producing ethanol…That’s called diversifying the economy…

    102. Carpe Noctem on March 26th, 2007 9:20 pm

      In Aruba…

      When you get buried, and reburied from sand dune
      to sand dune, and accused of overdosing yourself…


      for instance,

      >consider that “THOROUGH.”

      Yeah, I said Gerold, and it is the TRUTH! You know
      about that right, YA JOCKSTRAP,

      >Joran TOLD YOU IT

      You friggin fruitloop! A clue, they are on sale, buy one.

      Don’t get me started. My twitch is returning.

      they consider that a
      thorough investigation???

      “They make me laugh, fren.” -Satish


    103. Miss-Underestimated on March 26th, 2007 9:40 pm

      Deepack said to Joran “if they find the girl and see all the shit on her”

      WTF does the mean?

      “your own father”

      “no body no case”

      Anita knew Natalee’s undergarments description.

      Anita stated they seized her camera in her house by a search that never happened.

      The infamous quote by Nadra
      ” we all lie”

      I see another empty beach day on the island.

    104. minnesota dad on March 26th, 2007 9:40 pm

      CharlieRat and other AHATA shills,

      When you can explain how Aruba would charge Guido Wever with ‘heavy battery’ while not having a body or any credible evidence I will back off of Aruba.

      When you can give a legitimate answer to why the boys were not arrested for 10 days following the crimes…I will back off of Aruba.

      When you can explain why the crime scene (Paulus & Anita’s home) was not searched and still hasn’t been searched to this day…I will back off of Aruba.

      When you can explain why Karin Janssen wrote a letter calling Paulus ‘no longer a suspect’ when she didn’t write one for the two black guys or the three amigos…I will back off of Aruba.

      When you can explain why judges did everything possible to distance Paulus Van Der Sloot from this crime – despite statements by people in the know on Aruba that he was involved, knows more than he is letting on, and that it is clear from evidence that he was actively involved that evening…I will back off of Aruba.

      Paulus is your perp. When Aruba retracts Karin Janssen’s letter and reverses the judgement made by his black robed buddy, and finally hauls his butt in to face justice…I will back off of Aruba.

      Until then…the Aruban boycott is the appropriate message to send to Crime Island. md

    105. Dan in Tx on March 27th, 2007 12:35 am

      If Aruba’s tourism is so stellar, why hasn’t anyone released figures that prove this since Natalee disappeared? What are they waiting for? Why is it that the only people who release figures are Amigoe, AM Digital, and Diario- and all of those report losses, not gains? Even Central bank of Aruba has reported losses. Is the Central Bank lying?

      We do have 2004 and first half 2005 data for Aruban tourism, though. You can find data on the whole Caribbean on the Belize official gov’t tourism website. It shows that Aruba’s hotel occupancy was never much above 74% on average. Furthermore, I can project with what little figures I can get that the hotel occupancy dropped at least 12% through end of year 2006 (see therealarubatruth.blogspot.com for details and methodology). Right now, as far as I can tell, Aruba’s hotel occupancy is at around 60-62%; this correlates with what travel agents have told me about dropping business to Aruba.

      I believe that Arubans hear too much of ‘Americans are stupid’ from the Europeans. The truth is, most of us have a hard time believing what we’re told without proof; after all, most people base their opinions on their observations.
      There’s progress in the investigation? Prove it. Solve the case. Aruba’s tourism is fine? Prove it- release figures and their sources and methodology. There is no scandal or cover-up? Prove it- we’ve seen so many questionable and downright dirty dealings from the ALE that we have a much different opinion.

      Only truly gullible and uneducated people do not question what they’re told. Sound familiar, Aruba?

    106. Patti on March 27th, 2007 9:34 am

      You know… It’s statements like this one that makes the Natalee Holloway case so difficult to deal with. Many of us are, simply, concerned citizens, just imagine if you were her family…


      June 23, 2005 – Anita van der Sloot says on MSNBC:

      “My thoughts are with Natalee. I know she is alive. She’s somewhere. She’s alive. And I should have brought her to a responsible adult. That I blame myself and I will blame my whole life.”

      It reminds me of the mother that was just arrested with her son and husband in Georgia. She was making false reports on where the police could find the child that was abducted by her family members. The child was found some days later, no where near the locations that she had sent them It was later discovered that she was present during the assault and murder of the child and currently is being charged with first degree murder… rightly so.

      The point that I want to make is that we need to familiarize ourselves with the destinct possibility that there are women, mothers; who are capable of not only covering for their husbands and offspring, but also in participating, even if only as a by-stander, in their crimes, kidnappings, sexual assaults and murder.

      I read this statement made by Anita Van der Sloot and
      it makes me wonder… how much does she REALLY know?


      SM:   Patti – this was cleared up a couple days ago.   This was NOT something Anita said, Anita was quoting something Joran said (klaasend)

    107. Richard on March 27th, 2007 4:03 pm

      Klaasend, I know that the Anita statement above was found in the text of an MSNBC interview with her. It was one of many statements attributed to her, and she was the only speaker in the interview. And I found it in a reputable source. However, there seems to be a lot of doubt on it …

      CharlieRat and his kith and kin seem to be eagerly trying to persuade us that the Aruba boycott movement is unjustified. See them leap in after every post, time after time talking about how wrong it is.

      One is inclined to wonder, if the whole thing is nothing but a bunch of jiggery-pokery (antiquated British expression), why they are spending so much time on it.

      Then again, maybe their ATA paymasters have a quota ….


      SM:   Richard – all the articles I’ve seen in full give the appearance she is quoting Joran (klaasend)

    108. Richard on March 27th, 2007 4:07 pm

      For those who question the rationale behind the boycott:

      1. Provide ONE BIT of evidence that Aruba is acting in good faith. You can’t, because there is none.

      2. Provide one rational alternative tool to exert pressure on Aruba to give us answers. You can’t, because there is none.

      Remember the statement of Jug Twitty in June 2005: All the family wants is Natalee, living or dead. At that point they’ll leave Aruba. Even prosecution of the guilty is not their main concern

      They’re more forgiving than I am. I want, not the innocent punished, but the guilty punished. And I plan to promote the boycott until this is done.

      Let’s do it, fellow Americans. If we don’t speak up for an American family facing an intransigent foreign government, who will?

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