Globe Reports Kalpoe Brothers “Ready To Crack”

 

Globe122506While we do not put our full faith and confidence in the Globe Magazine, they do have an interesting article on the recent developments in the Natalee Holloway disappearance. The Globe reports that Gerald Dompig is claiming that the Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are “on the brink of cracking in the face of the testimony of a credible secret witness.”

The Globe also is reporting that Dompig said in an interview with Josse Mansur that the new investigative team from the Netherlands are “homing in on the Kalpoe Brothers.” He also goes on to state that they are now unable to withstand interrogation, declaring “If we put pressure on the two brothers, they will break.”

Josse Mansur was a guest on The Dana Pretzer Show and discussed some of these same topics. To listen to the podcast, use these links Play in Popup | Download



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  • Comments

    212 Responses to “Globe Reports Kalpoe Brothers “Ready To Crack””

    1. windy city on December 20th, 2006 10:32 pm

      I think they meant ready to “smoke crack”!

    2. Mishy on December 20th, 2006 10:46 pm

      Well, that is all good and well, but we know that the tape that Jossy made of Dompig was made over a year ago and the Kalpoe’s haven’t cracked yet, so as far as I’m concerned, this is old news that never panned out (imagine that…) I hope they do crack though, nutcases that they are…

    3. ayfit on December 20th, 2006 11:00 pm

      Please,let this be true.Please let justice prevail.Please let Beth have peace.Nobody can imagine her suffering.My heart goes out to her.Let’s don’t forget Matt,Natalee’s brother.This family deserves answers.The Aruban officials need to be prosicuted as well for their corrupt cover up.

    4. joe bear on December 20th, 2006 11:01 pm

      I hope so.

    5. mayan_moons on December 20th, 2006 11:02 pm

      Its just a matter of time coz this is going to follow them for the rest of their lives, they won’t have a minutes peace & will never be allowed to move forward in their own lives as long as they withhold the truth about what they did to and with Natalee.

    6. wreck on December 20th, 2006 11:08 pm

      I thought Dompig was supposed to be long gone!?! I have always thought that they would try to pin this on the Kalpoes to protect the elite Dutch on the island — this seems to be coming to fruition. I still have a sneaking suspicion that the Kalpoe’s purposely filed suit in California to protect themselves from Aruban/Dutch scapegoaters.

      __________

      SM:   Actually, Dompig is gone from ALE now.   I suppose if he is gone it might be easier for him to talk? (klaasend)

    7. Minnesota Dad on December 20th, 2006 11:13 pm

      ….ummmm

      Hate to burst everyone’s bubble on this one, but I believe that this is an additional diversion.

      PAULUS IS YOUR PERP. THE CRIME HAPPENED IN HIS HOME, ON HIS MATTRESS. IT IS OVERWHELMINGLY OBVIOUS BASED ON HOW ARUBA COVERED UP THE CRIME SCENE AND COVERED FOR PAULUS.

      The Kalpoes are going to be the scapegoats on this one. Perhaps their lawsuit is their only chance to get the truth out before they are arrested and charged with the rape and murder of NH.

      Somehow, Paulus and Joran will walk free despite their obvious misconduct.

      ARUBA…..STOP DIVERTING FROM THE REAL PERPS. VOID ALL JUDGEMENTS MADE BY JUDGES WITH CLEAR CONFLICT OF INTEREST TO REMOVE AND INSULATE PAULUS FROM THIS CRIME. THIS IS HOW THIS CASE WILL ULTIMATELY BE SOLVED.

      MD

    8. Katablog on December 20th, 2006 11:18 pm

      Wouldn’t surprise me at all if the Kalpoes do finally smell the hand writing on the wall – if indeed Aruba does have a “witness”. Of course with Dompig being involved we may find out the “witness” is his wayward brother-in-law looking for his pay day.

      The Kalpoes haven’t cracked in the last year because the Kalpoes haven’t been interrogated in the last year. However, their lawsuit “could” be a sign of cracking.

      Monkeys have long warned the Kalpoes that if they continue their silence and the pressure gets to great on Aruba, they will go down for the crime. The “credible secret witness” could be Paulus manufactured and indeed it would be best that the K2 spill their guts before they find themselves fingered, alone.

      Anyone with any common sense knows that while the K2 most probably do know what happened to Natalee and probably also were involved, there is no way they did it without Joran. Joran would never have lied for them. He would have thrown them under the bus day one if he had not been involved.

    9. Waterboy on December 20th, 2006 11:33 pm

      So Monkeys,
      Which is it? It’s been over a year now, more like 18 months. Is it: 1. They don’t know anything. 2. They are covering for each other? 3. They are covering for Joran?
      Well, anyone who has been following this case knows that 1. They know a hell of a lot, they are covering for each other; and they don’t give a darn about Joran. So the only logical conclusion is: they participated in Natalee’s disappearance, and they know exactly what happen to her. There is just no other way the story can be told.

      Kapoes-you are rat-faced wonder-worms. You are both just right for the fishing hook! The sun will cause you to squirm and shrivel up into a leathery goop. What a beautiful, beautiful, child you two goons have destroyed. You two had better start searching for the face of God. (I search often myself.)

    10. mayan_moons on December 20th, 2006 11:54 pm

      I concur Katablog. Especially with that last sentence!

    11. JusticeforNatalee on December 21st, 2006 12:16 am

      J2K
      ALL 3 INVOLVED

      Otherwise, one side would have ratted out the other.

      So, what are the investigators and prosecutor (Janssen) waiting for?!

      GET GOING!

      BOYCOTT ARUBA until there is
      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

    12. windy city on December 21st, 2006 12:21 am

      I agree with MD. Mr. VDS walked away from the investigation way too quiet.

      The conflicts of interest between Paulus and the justice dept. and the judges is obvious.

      Someone with some sort of influence please help!

    13. mayan_moons on December 21st, 2006 12:37 am

      Yes they destroyed Natalee, a young American high school graduate with grades that earned a full scholarship in pre-med. She worked hard to get it & was going to Aruba to celebrate before she started college. College didn’t come for Natalee. She was driven away from C&C’s by 3 people people….Jurine & the 2 Kalpoe’s. They come back but Natalee did not and is never seen nor heard from again.

    14. Frank on December 21st, 2006 12:41 am

      Minnesota Dad,

      It’s so obvious isn’t it? Paulus is the central figure in this crime. He generated the energy “at any cost.”

      Premeditated.

      Just when did that start?

    15. JusticeforNatalee on December 21st, 2006 12:43 am

      Minnesota Dad,

      Have you sent your theory and suggestions to any Dutch officials?

    16. glad2bAmerican on December 21st, 2006 12:57 am

      Yes indeed the Kalpoes will take the hit as predicted
      So the VanDersloots and everyone else with any knowledge
      of Natalee missing can keep doing what they do best
      get away with murder.
      Boycott Aruba….no one is safe there any longer!

    17. 10061906 on December 21st, 2006 1:03 am

      First of all I want to wish everyone Peace and Happy Holidays.
      And again thank you all for the get well wishes and prayers. I can certainly use them.
      I probably will not be posting again for a while. What I have to say here is probably going to upset a lot of posters.
      Well I guess this was the conclusion of the Dutch Investigating team. Here are your patsies. However; in my opinion the 2K’s are not alone in Natalee’s disappearance.
      Deepak’s car was needed because it resembled a taxi complete with a lit dashboard globe.
      Why do you think they parked in the back parking lot? Why? If they were in the front of C and C’s someone may have hailed them for a taxi ride. Natalee was drugged and confused when taken to the back lot. She thought Joran would take her back to the hotel and willingly got into Deepak’s taxicab.
      When you analyze the circumstances above and beyond just a simple kidnapping, rape, death and cover up you have to be realistic and accept what might have happened. I also believe the the Twitty’s and Holloway’s have an understanding as to what happened to Natalee but have been held back by a certain world wide influential organization. I also believe the cover up is orchestrated by the parents of the perpetrators who belong to this organization and are attempting to prevent their boys from a conviction and jail time. This cover up is also being condoned by the Aruban authorities to promote Aruba as one safe island.
      This is probably orchestrated by Nelson Oduber, whose son is part of this organization. As long as Natalee is just a missing person they can continue with this charade.
      Even though Joran has admitted that he (and others) have done this about 20 times, I believe this was the first time the Kalpoes were involved.

      Parental Association:
      Jan van der Stratten was a police officer in Holland.
      God father to Joran van der Sloot.
      Williem Van Cromvorit was also a police officer in Holland.
      Installs camera surveillance equipment and runs a security agency(VCB)
      Geoffrey’s father.
      Paulus van der Sloot was in the legal system in Holland.
      Joran’s father.
      Karle Wever, director of a Funeral home that Paulus helped establish a Crematorium on Aruba.
      Possible relative to Guido Wever.
      Keon Gottenbos’ father is an influential insurance salesman.
      Gerald and Michael Dompig; father and son and related to the Kalpoes.
      (Notice: Not Dutch)
      Dennis Jacobs a narcotics agent who is head of a possible homicide investigation.
      Just a slug who got paid to make sure no evidence can be tied to anyone.

      I still think that the girl “Judy” who went to Aruba a month before Natalee could help in the investigation. She had her trip picture album on community web pictures and shows her with Joran and others outside of Carlos and Charlies. Could she have been date raped also, survived but does not want to get involved? She removed her album when Michelle Says So got too close. Joran still has her pix on his blog. (So do I all of them before they were removed)
      With her album and pictures from Joran’s site we can tie everyone but Quido in this pimps club. Other than Guido and Joran admitting to playing tennis together.
      Pictures include:
      Judy with Stage boy Joran.
      Judy with what appears to be Andreas.
      Hotel rooms with Holiday Inn Décor.
      Joran with the Kalpoes.
      Joran with Freddie.
      Joran and Koen.
      Andreas with Michael Dompig
      I do not have any info on Andreas other than his association in pictures with Michael Dompig.
      Michael Dompig with Geoffrey Van Cromvoirt
      Geoffrey van Cromvoirt in various Holiday Inn rooms with other girls.
      Micheal Dompig on other web shot albums listed as the Police Commissioner’s son.
      Notes in the photos by Michael and Geoffrey; “You would be surprised what we can get the girls to do when we tell them we are police officers.
      Pictures of Geoffrey in Aruba Police tee shirts. Remember Geoffrey’s sister is a police officer.

      Here are your suspects:
      Joran, Deepak, Satish, Freddie, Koen, Geoffrey, Michael, Andreas and possibly Guido.

      Here is your motive.
      Of all the girls in the MBHS group, why Natalee? She is the one that has been noted as being accosted many times by Geoffrey and Joran both at C and C’s and the Hotel and casino and refused their advances. So if you are going to have a premeditated kidnapping and rape why not do it for revenge also and serve two purposes?

      Where did it happen?
      At the Van der Sloots home in Joran’s apartment.
      Natalee managed somehow to get off one phone call.
      When they realized that Natalee probably went into a coma calls went out for assistance to Joran’s father.
      When he arrived it was probably too late to save Natalee. The boys had probably raped Natalee by then, and could not call for emergency assistance because their DNA was all over her.
      Paulus probably called Joran’s Godfather Jan van der Straaten and the coverup begins.
      “No body no case”.
      Phone calls and ATM withdrawals in the middle of the night.
      I also believe that the Lion’s Den is a den of sex and underage photography; however in this case I believe it is just a red herring. If you check the phone number at 17 Noord now it is registered as a Dental Practice.
      Dental Clinic H Hagens” “Drs h hagens Noord 17″ “586-xxx”

      Where is Natalee now? Since my belief now is that she was cremated, God only knows.
      Paulus is so proud of his watch collection that one of them could be identified as a Bulova with a black Masonic emblem on the face.
      You be the judge………………………….

    18. mayan_moons on December 21st, 2006 1:21 am

      The minute i saw Paules sitting next to Natalee at the casino blackjack table with Jurine at the other end of the table i knew Paules wasn’t just a part of the *clean up crew*. No….Paules was a player in this game.

    19. Frank on December 21st, 2006 1:41 am

      10061906,

      The only reason Natalee, even semi-coherent and drugged would have trusted Joran is because she met his father hours before at the the blackjack table. She even, while speaking with him, pointed to Joran. I’m assuming confirming the relationship.

      In most people’s world, if the father of a teenage son is around, his behavior would be respectful.

      But not with this sick family.”If Anita was home, this would never have happened?” Why?

      Premeditated.

    20. Carpe Noctem on December 21st, 2006 3:11 am

      She is cemented over in the VDS backyard.

      Don’t ever take your eyes off the

      Van der Rapes b.y. !!!!

      Not at night, not in the day,

      not ever people. IMHO

      Of course.

      http://tinyurl.com/yahlpq

      -J4N

    21. Jozee on December 21st, 2006 3:17 am

      It has been my belief from the beginning the “boys” had help. No way could they have pulled this off alone. I do believe they were coached by someone very familiar with the legal system and game theory. Do a search on prisoners dilemma. I don’t believe any of them will talk. Unless it’s Joran in a drunken stuper…

    22. Carpe Noctem on December 21st, 2006 3:18 am

      Someone’s about ready

      to make a Kalpoe SAMICH.

      -J4N Cold Bloods!


      Give it up.

      http://tinyurl.com/y2v6ee

    23. kitty on December 21st, 2006 3:48 am

      I wish that the best most experienced forensics & CSI team from the States & Netherlands ~ could go into the Van Der Sloot home and do a complete investigation ~ including Joran’s apartment… why that has not been allowed screams volumes of the crime scene…and deep corruption, Paulus, he apparently has many connections and there are layers and layers of corruption, cover-ups, organized crime (from reading the above), and the theory that the Kapole bro’s are going down for this is perhaps true… I hope they expose everyone involved and tell the truth for a change ~ the depth of the pact that they’ve made with Joran, etc.. is covering up a deeper existance of their motive and operation for years perhaps… We all should pray and I pray, that they spill the beans and exposes the deep darknes ~ the longer this continues, the more empowered they become ~ the comment above about Paulus’s watch, speaks volumes… look into the secret society he’s involved with the Masons ~ (if he’s associated with them or a member)… could have been ritualistic overtones here as well ~ someone call in the top investigators, how about physcic detectives you see helping cold case investigations here in the States… please, send in the best of the best team(s) available and see what’s hidden in that household and apartment, that for some reason has been kept hands off and not been investigated.. that is truly amazing that there hasn’t been a warrant or a team allowed into their home and on that property… why? Would someone explain this? (does that not speak volumes in itself?)… I was sickened when I saw the photo of Paulus sitting at the Casino table with Natalee ~ a preditor at work… Beth’s instincts to talk with him were so bold and brave ~ I’ll never forget seeing the beads of sweat on that mans face that were shown visibly on his face when she was shown pressing him for information ~ she’s one brave lady that has my utmost respect ~ a Mother’s intuition is like no other… she knew her daughters killer(s)… my heart aches for her and her family ~ they need to have closure. Aruba, the Netherlands,those involved all owe her, her family, friends and the world at least that much, the truth. For so many to be silenced within this investigation, shows me how much Power Joran and his Father think they have… they still have to answer to God Almighty in the end.

      We should be mindful to keep praying for the Holloway family every day and the new team that is investigating this crime and continue to ask God to continue to give the Holloways and their families strength to endure in their pain and suffering ~ ask God to expose the darkness that is in Aruba, and bring to light all those involved…in Natalee’s murder ~ and keep her memory alive by doing so ~ have other witnesses or young girls who’ve been victims by Joran, et all.. have the courage to come forward and be protected by doing such by the Netherland Government ~ keep the pressure on ~ men… keep the pressure on.

      -kitty

      ~ Bless the Netherlands for helping in the investigation, this reporter that has come on board and keep the pressure on in this investigation and not stop until it’s finally exposed and solved ~

    24. Robert on December 21st, 2006 6:03 am

      10061906,

      I don’t think it was that complicated. I think they may have taken Natalee – propably doped – straight to the arashi beach to sexualy assult her… All three of them… Premeditated. When things got out of hand there they paniced and were forced to dump the body. Maybe they burried her or dumped her body in the ocean.
      All the lies were first to cover up this death but were agreed on as well because these thugs know A LOT about each other; maybe other rapes, drugs, theft of tourists goods. (I still don’t know why in the night Natalee disappeared her room was entered. Her hotel-door card showed that. Was it somebody sneakin’ into her room. Maybe even someone else who had planned to assult here as well.)
      I agree that next there was a large cover up; maybe even to protect a bigger crime-network. But first of all to protect the “beloved” Jurine-thug.

      But I’m hopefull…. The coming year all will come out and justice can be done!
      It clearly helped that a lot of good people kept the pressure on this evil cooking-pan.

    25. Richard on December 21st, 2006 6:15 am

      We’ve been told by some of the other Mountain Brook kids that Joran was hanging around the group, and had introduced himself as a foreigner from Holland staying at the Holiday Inn. That would be another reason that Natalee (if she were not given a date-rape drug, and were only intoxicated) might have trusted Joran … because she had accepted his story as the truth.

      I also believe that she was not the type to think the worst of people, even when her defenses were up.

      1006, best wishes. We’ll all look forward to seeing your posts when you do come back. What is the “worldwide organization” that you think could cow Beth and Dave? I’m inclined to agree with you that more than the Three Stooges were involved … but whatever happened, they are participants, not just patsies.

      As for the Globe article … we heard the journalist Garrison talk about a “secret” witness, since when … nothing. One wonders how Dompig knows about this “secret” witness if he is no longer in charge of the case (though on Aruba, it seems, nothing that anyone says can ever be relied on as factual).

      Anyone think that Dompig might be maneuvering so that if things break, he can position himself as a key character? Possibly like Long John Silver in Treasure Island, who went from the camp of the “good guys” to that of the pirates and back again whenever he thought it served his interests?

      When you get right down to it, what the article says is what many people here and elsewhere have been saying all along … that the Kalpoes are the weak link, and might break before Joran vdS does. Could very well be … but I would think that if they were “shaking,” then going ahead with a lawsuit is the last thing they would do. Cowering in a corner would be more likely, wouldn’t it? Not drawing attention to themselves.

      Let’s hope there is truth to this … but I would think that if the Kalpoes are likely to break, it would come about because of pressure from someone. Who, at this point?

    26. Richard on December 21st, 2006 6:30 am

      Remember, too, it was Dompig who reportedly got that phone call from another “witness” … the guy who, he said, was crying on the phone, saying that he couldn’t take it anymore and had to confess that Natalee was buried on the sand dunes. We all know what came of that … nothing.

      Fool me once, shame on you.
      Fool me twice, shame on me.

      The story cites this “secret” witness who is unnamed, but about whom the Kalpoes seem to know, Dompig seems to know, and so forth. No way we can prove or disprove it.

      Honestly, I’m very skeptical about this story.

      One GOOD thing about it, though … it identifies the Kalpoes as suspects. The lead on a recent AP story about the filing of the Holloway Twitty lawsuit in California identified the Kalpoes as “former” suspects.

      I wrote to the AP requesting a clarification. None to date, as far as I’ve seen.

    27. vicki on December 21st, 2006 7:38 am

      1906, God bless you. I pray that you get better. Im so sorry cause I know this has taken its toll on you. You are a good person and I believe your whole theory. I wish you could send Beth and Dave the pictures that you have or post them on here. I think it would make a world of difference. Sometimes I find that I try to look for the best in ppl, I would never have imagined in my wildest dreams that EVIL pure and simple EVIL existed in lieruba.I imagine neither did Natalee. She just thought that ppl were good. Natalee and her tragic story has taken a toll on my life as well. I still cry when I read the passion from most posters. I want Natalee back so bad it hurts. I wish at times that the perps that hurt her would just DROP DEAD, but then I look at Beth and Dave and they are my role models. They are the most blessed ppl I have ever seen, because in the mist of this tragic, horrific nitemare they seem to have such dignity that it makes my heart swell and I know I too can go on. Thats knowing the Lord, Jesus Christ. I for one admire them and getting to know a little of what Natalee must have been like. I wish I could have met her.Fly free,angel.

    28. MIss-Underestimated on December 21st, 2006 8:18 am

      1906 I am glad to see your post.
      I along with other posters here feel that the 2K file suit here for some sort of protection.

      The list of players and their parents are outright liars and the statements made by their children, and authorities prove it.

      Will Pauless buy Anita a new camera for Christmas, because it was taken during the search that never happened?

    29. wreck on December 21st, 2006 8:49 am

      10061906 — the TRUTH you tell does not “upset” us — most of us here are beyond the point of being surprised or shocked at what happened anymore. You have summed up the situation quite well.

    30. MIss-Underestimated on December 21st, 2006 8:57 am

      Richard

      I have heard and seen the media say that Joran is free,
      I understand that he is still a suspect.

      Is that spinning or are they (media) just plain stupid?

    31. Waterboy on December 21st, 2006 9:02 am

      To 1906,

      Most probable you are correct. Even if the Kapoes are handed over on a silver platter, that doesn’t prove anything to me. If they confess, it means nothing unless that confession includes the list of slime characters you mentioned, and it will not.

      Their group may only have ties in business and money (and for sure, I’m not ruling out illegal business).

      As M.D. mentioned, Paulus may be more or intended to be (and may have been in the past) more of a central character than most posters are willing to accept. The dysfunction of that scenario bothers most posters way too much to even give it any consideration. You have posted before about this dysfunction.

      Frank is right. The “that’s my trusted son” angle has credibility.

      We gave the cremation theory a lot of thought in the past, and it has a great deal of credibility to me simply because of the confidence that the probable perps seem to exhibit. They know there is no body. The “buried at sea” gives hope, and there may not be any to give.

      1906, I know you are not feeling well, and I’m going to continue to pray for you. Your post are just outstanding. Your mind is just crystal sharp. I look for and read all your stuff, and agree 99% of the time. Your post keep me focused.

      Jerry

    32. Brenda T. on December 21st, 2006 9:04 am

      Waterboy,

      Your last statement is EXACTLY why they don’t care. JVD, pappa Sloot, ALE, and the Kalpoes ARE their own gods. Bet your life they’d rather “the mountains fall on them” than face the real God. Would force them to see themselves as they REALLY are, and that in the face of GOD would be terrifiying!! (Should be to most of us, but Monkeys do already know this..why we are not so insane trying to be what we aren’t :>)

      People who are ‘god’ in their own eyes see nothing wrong with themselves. They truly don’t. Well, let them keep thinking that way. Will be their downfall. (You know what they say about pride and falling and all that…)

      Brenda

    33. Sharon Chicago on December 21st, 2006 9:09 am

      THIS MAY OR MAY NOT be a diversion. May be Holland wants to go for the weak link to get the confession out in the open. Maybe they figure Joran was too smart/lawyered up in education to feel intimadated by being interrogated. On the other hand the Kalpoes were only held for several months at the initial start of this murder investigation
      while the ALE put on a dog and pony show and served them hot dogs in their cell with a Mad magazine.

      They might be more fearful now having to go back and sit under that bare swinging light bulb and be interrogated.

    34. linda on December 21st, 2006 9:14 am

      Globe is just big BS..
      Kalpoes are not going to crack..I heard they feel really confident about this case and their lawyers think they have a strong case,since they have the evidence that Dr Phil is big fraud and He just used Beth and still is for ratings,anybody who thinks he gives a shit about Natalee is really stupid..cause He Doesn’t
      ..so Phil/Globe/Jossy..all Bs..
      Hey Klaasend…How are you??? sorry got a little pissed there..Just know that Dr Phil and his team are so fake..anyway..have to go to work now…see you later

    35. wreck on December 21st, 2006 9:26 am

      While I DO believe many of the adult “players” on the island are in fact Masons and associate with each other because of that bond — I really don’t believe being “Masons” has anything to do with the crime or cover-up. Hell, they may be all members of the PTA too — but that doesn’t mean the PTA had anything to do with Natalee’s disappearance.

    36. 10061906 on December 21st, 2006 9:26 am

      Robert: remember things wash back up from the ocean.
      Also the ground is too hard to JUST bury someone.
      (Shovels- you need shovels to dig a grave.)
      Plastic hubcaps on Hondas just don’t work.
      Look at the cemeteries. They all have above ground crypts.

      Vicki: Actually I was requested back in March of 2006 to send to a committee headed by John Kelly and Beth, all my info. I sent them two complete cd’s of pictures and info I had gathered; almost 300 meg of Data. Also Joe Mamanna was supposed to be involved in that meeting.
      Sad to say my info I sent must have sucked because nothing ever came of it that I know of.

    37. Melissa on December 21st, 2006 9:41 am

      After having previously lived and worked in Aruba for quite a few years, I find the poster linda so typical of the Arubian mentality. There is absolutely no logic or factual premise applied to making what appears on the surface as a conclusion based on facts.

      Aruba is a very closed system with so much fallacy floating around.

    38. Brenda T. on December 21st, 2006 9:56 am

      Oops! Waterboy…I had read an earlier post (#9) and was responding to that. What a ding bat I am today!

      I think it’s in the air. Work at a data center and all hell is breaking loose. I am reading SM and waiting on a reply for an issue, and in turn trying to respond to posters.

      Had better get off here for now until the “fire” is out.

      Brenda

    39. Alissa's Mom on December 21st, 2006 10:19 am

      Please continue to listen to Jossy Mansur from Dario if you want to hear the truth. I have so much respect and admiration for this man from the beginning for reporting a horrible case with so much honor…….Let’s see if the bogus lawsuit the Kalpoes have filed in California ever takes place to give everyone at least some of the answers the Holloway family have been waiting for since their daughter was raped, and most likely murdered. Joran VDS and the Kalpoe brothers are still the primary suspects in these horrible crimes. What a shame that their acts have destroyed so much of what was good and beautiful on the Island of Aruba.

      P.S. I’ve never heard a lawyer who lies as much as Joe Tacopina—he must be picking up this bad habit from his client.

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

    40. linda on December 21st, 2006 10:33 am

      Melissa..first of all I’m Dutch..second of all are all your messages based on facts/logic..??
      You are just guessing around..at least I’m here and sometimes see whats really going on..

    41. Robert on December 21st, 2006 10:56 am

      10061906, Yes, I’ve thought about that – washing up of items. But at the east-side of the island f.i. I see no beach. Maybe when you put a weight to an object it sinks. Or maybe if you can get an item in the undercurrent of the waves – again with a weigh – you may get rid of it.
      Your’e propably right about the burrying; but I wouldn’t exclude that they hid the body under rubble and/or plants.

      But in general often these criminals solve their problems in the fastest and easiest way I guess.

    42. whytegirl on December 21st, 2006 11:12 am

      Hello Monkeys!

      All of this has taken me by surprise, but I certainly like all of you hope that there’s new discovery/testimonies that may be gathered from these two. I hope the FBI can provide whatever they have gathered into this, and that Cali can institute a grounds for this case, just as well as Anna Nicole’s. That is another case I am following closely, and those bloggers that want justice for Daniel Smith are noticing the yet another coverup in the Bahamas.

      They are joining full-force to boycott the Bahamas. The PM is in it, as well as the hospital, with another brave newspaper that published that documents in the hospital were shredded. Evidence tampering?

      I know SM has their hands full with this, but nonetheless this case should be looked at too.

    43. MIss-Underestimated on December 21st, 2006 11:13 am

      1906, you may never know if your information was useful, it may have very well been useful, you just may not know.
      Like all that has been posted here I bet all has been looked into by the Twittys/Holloways. Remember, Beth gave credit to the SM website?

      1906 I am praying for you, take good care of yourself.
      Your posts are excellent and add another dimension to the case.

    44. Richard on December 21st, 2006 11:13 am

      I don’t think that one’s feelings about Dr. Phil are really relevant to the issue of the Kalpoes. Different matters, wouldn’t you say? The Kalpoes are trying to put the focus on the ALLEGED (by them; he denies it) doctoring (NOT regular editing, according to them) of the interview tapes, but anyone who heard Deepak Kalpoe furiously assail Natalee’s reputation as a slut cannot think anything good of the Kalpoes. So I think, at least.

      Robert, one of the central questions here is: do we believe that there is a conspiracy to cover things up or not?

      I know my answer; I find it impossible to think, given the time that has elapsed and the number of people on Aruba that have made statements, that there is not something of this kind.

      Next question: Assuming that there is a conspiracy, how widespread is it? Who is it seeking to protect? Why?

      We can’t answer these questions at this stage. Certainly members of the Aruban legal and law enforcement appear to be involved.

      Again, who is being protected? The van der Sloots? The Kalpoes? All of them? The Pimps? others?

      With all that’s gone on, something bigger than Natalee must be involved. That doesn’t NECESSARILY mean, in my view, that the same powers in this dark business took Natalee (though I think it not unlikely), but van der Sloot either has something on his Dutch peers on the island or is being protected by someone of whom the Aruban government is terrified.

      The only such power I can imagine is a major drug trafficker. My guess would be that several people in the Aruban government are on the payroll of some drug lord, and probably that others are suspected of being so.

      I’ve said before that it makes sense for a judge in training to be on the take from the narcotics pushers. These guys have the resources to buy up whole governments in the Caribbean.

      So that’s my premise. The question: did someone of this kind play a role in Natalee’s fate? Again, I think so. No proof.

    45. Richard on December 21st, 2006 11:15 am

      In my post 42, I should have said Deepak assailed Natalee as a slut. To say he attacked her reputation gives entirely the wrong idea. My apologies.

    46. Carpe Noctem on December 21st, 2006 11:22 am

      Anyone who is stupid enough to go to ARUBA

      after all that’s transpired between 05 and

      07… is just crazy. A lot of Arubans on that

      floating PIECE OF refuse of an island

      are more anti-American

      than UBL & Co.

      —————

      Check out this latest pic from the rocks

      of ARASHI & CLH:

      http://tinyurl.com/ykayfl

      —————-

      ARUBA, run by criminals and killers.

      ALE & Mafioso = 1 & the same.

      The only thing left is drug money… & Drug Lords

      aren’t real big on sharing and

      playing nice with others…

      so things should get pretty
      interesting on the Isle de Toxic
      Waste and Hateful Liars! Not any place
      I would want to be.

      It’s gettin’
      HAIRY out der!!!!
      :shock:

      JUSTICE 4 NATALEE.

    47. Carpe Noctem on December 21st, 2006 11:31 am

      Arashi / CLH Shots Crimescene Cover Up –
      Corpse like thing – 2 more shots

      —-

      http://tinyurl.com/yey9zp

      http://tinyurl.com/ylxoqs

      —-

      ARUBA Rapes and Murders.

      They smile and say “Bonbini” to your face.

      …and when your back is turned, club you

      over the head with a half defrosted salami!

      ARUBA KILLS, bro. Don’t U ever forget…

      what they let the three bifrons do to

      Natalee Ann on 5-30-2005. -J4N

    48. Frank on December 21st, 2006 11:58 am

      Carpe,

      Drug money goes with any money, and it’s going away from Aruba. Like an eco-system, they rely on each other. Clean money is like soap to dirty money.

      Aruba is tanking way beyond what we can see. No way an entity like this takes this hit for Joran Van der sloot and the kalpoes.

      It’s about the adults in this story.

    49. vicki on December 21st, 2006 12:17 pm

      Frank, I believe it is also about the adults…these “boys” are sissys and I mean in the true sense. The only way the pimps could get a girl was to drug and rape her…then when caught go running up mamas skirt. Anita has known all along what her filthy husband is, and now her son also…These old geisers on lieruba are probably bi also just like papasweat, and their woman look the other way as long as they are not touched. Anita was crying cause she knows the truth will come out
      carpe#47- it looks to me like half of a body and it is on its stomach and I see[imo] a rearend and legs. WTF!!!!

    50. 10061906 on December 21st, 2006 12:18 pm

      To Wreck: Yes I agree with you. I don’t believe the Mason Organization is anyway involved per say. Hell it could be they belong to the PTA. However the PTA does not have as much influence. Just the nudge of a member can be a big influence. What I was trying to show was that there was a relationship among the perps fathers; socially both in Holland and on Aruba; that organization is the link that members would band together for protection and perpetrate a coverup to protect their boys.

    51. Carpe Noctem on December 21st, 2006 12:21 pm

      Oh, I agree with that Frank.

      I have a just a bit of a different

      take on it than some do, as to WHY they

      abducted her… and who was the DRIVING

      force behind it… I think

      Joran and the Kalpoes & Freddy Z

      did the deed (they did this stuff EVERY WEEKEND

      to tourists – Any doubts for someone just visiting

      the board – go to FORUM and read all ALE SUSPECT

      STATEMENTS.

      cont’d

      * stuff goes wrong for the boys

      …and THEN the so called

      adults PVDS, Jan Van der Crook, Nelson OToolbag
      and Rudy Croes & others started protecting.

      REASONS FOR COVERING UP

      1. Because it happened at BOYS NIGHT OUT
      at the murderous Raper Sloots during a party
      where ARUBAN POWER FIGS & those the run Island
      through drugs & organized crime.

      This would bring down the Island. *** As we already
      see that it has anyway.

      2. Joran is Dutch, and somehow in their skewed
      world… that makes Joran above the law. Even though
      that knock kneed wiz on SOB Nelson Oduber claimed that
      would never happen in dear Aruba! …and as we can
      all plainly see from the speech he made to the
      nation in early June 2005… “No one is above the
      law.”

      Oh dear Nelson, NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER
      than the truth in Aruba, MANY ARE ABOVE THE
      LAW! You included! My friend, you are a pile of
      sh&t on the size and scale of Mt. Hooiberg.

      The sheer stink of you alone is mind numbing,
      and makes it very hard for someone to concentrate
      on fine details!!!!

      BOYCOTT ARUBA
      BACK INTO THE STONE
      AGES!

      -J to the
      4 to the N

    52. tuyvnsurvivor on December 21st, 2006 12:39 pm

      10061906, thanks much for the post. Makes a lot of sense.

      on my less informed opinion, I feel Paul is involved, by all means. He is pictured with Natalee, if nothing else. ALso, he would not have jepordized himself for Joran if he would have been innocent himself. He would have also had the presence of mind to see that skilled guests were more than welcome to enter thier home during the early periods of great upset over Jorans possible involvement in a major crime.

      For sometime I have wondered: “the rocks”, contamination suits, painting, treating area, the area SM has done so well with. Could that be where Natalees ashes were tossed, at first without a care or worry, later with a tinge of ‘could be’, a shocking spook? But at this point too many people are put in on the don’t need to know, so for what other reason could they have been told they were there destoying evidence. Each individual mind leaps to odd possibilities. For what reason could the workers have been told, if they find a tooth fragment (in reality they wouldn’t), how could the workers have been precontaiminated further ruining evidence? The mind and odd timeline reasons again. I think, as SM might, that site work was the last physical distruction to Natalee.

      I would like to see the sands and rocks of that area go through forensic testing, and a bucket of the sand and rocks saved 5 or 10 years for later arriving science.

      Still say that we are now approching the time where layers of the coverup begin killing their own off. And the odds of the punks living 5 years is slim, as they see themselves as useless…living and expecting, karma in kind. The family can be sure the punks are not living anything the rest of us would recognize as living.

    53. Carpe Noctem on December 21st, 2006 12:42 pm

      Aruba -

      We Will Bring Natalee Home…

      Even If It Means We

      Have To Pull Your Lungs Out

      Through Your Noses.

      As one can see,

      ( and by “ONE” – I mean that

      flat footed floogie-skank,

      Carin Jaansen! )

      A NOSTRIL is a very small

      orifice. ;-)

      A-rube-uh Wooohoo

      -J4N
      http://tinyurl.com/ykkaf2

    54. Frank on December 21st, 2006 12:47 pm

      10061906,

      I agree but it’s not to cover for the boys, unless you mean “good ol boys” the Dutch that hold sway in Aruba.

      this is about the truth being a worse poison pill than the strategy of doing nothing.

      The truth about what Paulus has done and those that helped cover up this savagery would shock the world and embarrass Holland, something Dutch deplore.

      This wasn’t the first time.

    55. MIss-Underestimated on December 21st, 2006 1:05 pm

      We did it 20 times before……..I will tell what happened later……..I will laugh if she is found alive……No body no case…….They took my camera during the house search……YOUR OWN FATHER….

    56. Robert on December 21st, 2006 1:39 pm

      Richard,

      Some hours ago I heard on the news that there was a major cocain-catch in the Rotterdam-port (Netherlands); the Columbians hid the stuff in bananas… Not in the boxes but in the bananas itself…. 60 kg….

      But anyway…. You maybe right with your premise. But there are some general arguments that say you have to be careful of making things to big: First: the more people you involve in your crime and the cover-up of it, the more people know of your crime and can go around and speak about it. Secondly: what does it cost. For instance you say the big boys have the resources to buy whole governments in the Caribbean. That maybe so but the more people you involve the more it costs. (Okay… I’m aware that there might be a sort of trade in doing eachother favours… And I know these criminals have their ways to pull you in their webs. But still…)
      I agree that there’s a cover up… No doubt about that. The question indeed is how big is it. I have no doubts wse that papa VdS more or less knows what has happened and tries to keep his son out of the wind. And clearly the three suspects cover up things. Not only to keep themselves out of jail for the disappearence of Natalee but for many other things as well; I very much think this is not their first rape. And propably they know of much more crimes. And maybe the three might have contacts with (an) other criminal ring(s). And most propably more people protected the VdSloots… But I think it’s better to not make it to big without presenting relatively hard facts at the same time.

    57. wreck on December 21st, 2006 2:58 pm

      …….Scattershooting……Whatever became of Steve Cohen? Is he off the Aruban payroll? Has anyone contacted him lately for his “take” on things? …Just curious.

    58. Carpe Noctem on December 21st, 2006 3:08 pm

      Okay, Miss Mayan Moons…

      Let’s make the following updated notes:

      1. Cali/Arashi – Head wedged in rocks.

      2. Small child like corpse with long
      hair dead on top of rocks.

      3. Two heads lying out in open view on video near the
      orange/white Igloo type cooler at ROCKS SITE.

      4. Last night, I snagged this frame and put it through
      a zoom & b/c tweak or two. It appears to be a
      an emaciated corpse looking
      thing plastered all on a rock.

      http://tinyurl.com/vmkde

      ARUBA – A TOURIST KILLING MACHINE.

      “Come To Aruba, right?” This should be

      put in the AHATA Brochure!

      -Justice 4 Natalee

      *Aruba
      *Van der Sloots and Kalpoes

      Kill, and that is the truth.

      *J4N Cold Bloods!

    59. Richard on December 21st, 2006 4:03 pm

      Robert, thanks for commenting. I agree with your observation that the more people involved in a conspiracy of any kind, the harder it is to keep control and the greater the chances of something breaking … indeed, the greater the likelihood that someone will get out of hand.

      What I was trying to get at is that if we accept the existence of a network of influential people on Aruba who are paid off to help safeguard a major trafficker (and that much seems likely enough), if only by turning their backs, then this obviously pre-dates May 30, 2005, when Natalee vanished into the night.

      Does this mean that everyone important on the island is somehow involved in, or knows about, Natalee’s fate? Unlikely, I would say. But fear on the one hand, and money in the other, can be influential motivators. Especially in a place such as Aruba, where it seems that the ordinary people are not disposed to challenge what they are told by the small ruling clique.

      There will be no public announcement of who is paying off whom … official action, or inaction, is the tipoff.

      So what could be the reasons for Aruba’s inaction? I don’t think that PvdS is important enough (he didn’t even become judge, though one could argue that the negative publicity was partly responsible) and JvdS is just another punk kid.

      Somewhere in the saga, somebody with more power and influence than the van der Sloots have is involved. I’m convinced of that. It doesn’t mean that this person dictates everything that happens on Aruba … my belief is that somehow he had an encounter with Natalee, and after that encounter has to protect himself in some way.

      Think of this: it would be in Aruba’s interest to produce a body, if one is to be found. They would like the whole thing to be over … and yet they have stymied, or grudgingly gone alone with, most search efforts.

      I don’t think the van der Sloots are powerful enough to achieve this. My conclusion is that somewhere that night Natalee’s path intersected with that of this person with influence and money. If those aren’t derived from drugs, I can’t imagine where they would come from.

      And the most likely result, if this scenario holds true (which it might well not), is that this person took Natalee with him. Solves the dilemma of the three stooges. Gets PvdS out of potential trouble. Keeps the Pimps happy.

    60. Richard on December 21st, 2006 4:04 pm

      Miss Underestimated (30), unless the world has changed overnight, as far as I know Joran is still a suspect … and the main suspect.

    61. pcot on December 21st, 2006 4:28 pm

      “on the brink of cracking”…. I don’t believe The Globe knows for a fact that the Kalpoe brothers are about to crack.

    62. pcot on December 21st, 2006 4:29 pm

      I do hope its true!

    63. IndyDan on December 21st, 2006 4:31 pm

      wreck #57 – He’s been replaced by ArubaJoeBlowhard.

    64. Carpe Noctem on December 21st, 2006 5:00 pm

      Windy City:

      I think they meant ready to “smoke crack”!

      ————

      ROFL Windy City!

      I Wonder If They’re Trying To Quit?

      -J4N-

      http://tinyurl.com/ymqwvk

    65. Robert on December 21st, 2006 5:18 pm

      Richard,

      You may be right on the point that people in the dark may have pulled certain strings… On a small island like Aruba almost everybody knows one another propably. I think the fact alone – without wanting to accuse anyone – that there are two masonic lodges on such a small “territory” worries me a bit. And most propably there are much more social groups where the members support one another in harsh times…

    66. mayan_moons on December 21st, 2006 5:45 pm

      I feel the rocks area is/was the dumping ground for these poor souls, that they were killed elsewhere. Killed maybe in the same place? I’m not sure but it looks like the killer felt comfortable disposing the bodies in and near the rocks here as you see the bodies different stages of decomposition going on.

    67. altruist on December 21st, 2006 6:51 pm

      There were rumors that two males went missing at the same time as sweet Natalee. Think that it was said that both of these two worked on the beach, surfers renting equipment????? I don’t think we ever saw it mentioned in writing but there were posts by people who were living on the Devil’s Rock who in fact posted that these two males were never seen after 5/29/05. Of course the implication was maybe they were responsible for the disappearance of sweet Natalee.

      The body draped over the rock that appears in the photo that Carpe enhanced is not that decomposed. You may have located these “disappeared persons” Carpe.

    68. Carpe Noctem on December 21st, 2006 6:56 pm

      Right on @ 66, sistah. The bodies were dumped,
      and as we can see in the video it’s
      a virtual grave yard
      not even fit for a pet!

      #5 / #38 ROCKS

      For some reason, I think it
      may have gone like this.

      —-
      Joran No Condom

      Joran No Care

      Joran Try To Force Natalee

      Joran, No Boo-Tay, No Pass Go, Joran No Collect.

      Joran Angry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Grrrrrr

      Joran Kill, retarrrrd.

      -next-

      Joran Try To Dispose Of Body On His Own
      ( as Satish tells us – by leaving Natalee
      within a meter of the water! ) -SAT. ALE STATEMENT

      If he gets her
      close to water – He can make all the
      brainless weenies… like a majority of
      Arubans and Refs. believe that she

      1. drowned
      or 2 was kidnapped.
      He did this at Arashi
      in the Lighthouse area.

      He crafted the MARRIOTT Beach Walk to throw us out
      in other directions. Just like both he and his dad
      did with other things… like a bloody mattress
      down San Nicolas way!

      -Flashback-

      5-30-2005
      ROCKS
      BODY DISPOSAL

      Joran walked out in the water, in his sporter
      shoes and tried his best to get rid of her.

      Walking home in wet shoes really bites
      a big hummer… & it’s a great way to whip
      off your shoe and be such a dumb ass that
      you cut your foot & hang around Mickey D’s
      early morning calling your father for a ride
      home.

      She washed back up. Days, maybe even weeks later.

      The A.L.E. wouldn’t let Joran confess…

      Nelson “I Have No Jet Blue Complimentary Nuts” Oduber

      JUNE 2005 If something were to happen to Natalee Holloway
      while on vacation in Aruba… it would be very
      very BAD for the Aruba economy!

      Then… the ALE played
      keep away from the H/Ts and media with Natalee’s
      remains. The remains were gathered and collected
      and put in a bag. The bag we have been imaging
      for months and months and months,
      ad infinitum.

      This bag was dropped off at MARRIOTT
      WATER BASIN – the infamous ARUBAY -#24 – VID

      Natalee’s remains were waiting on pickup from

      ‘BIFRONS ARE US’ ( Aruban Yellowpages? )

      Anita and Paulus know that the cops are crawling
      all over down there. Anita blatantly tells the
      boys to keep wide and clear of the area! Deepak
      tells us this.

      At some point, the body is picked up
      and transported to the
      Van der Rapist’s abode.

      Then body is then encased in cement in a
      project Paulus simply had to get done in his backyard.

      He did this
      whilst waiting on
      his carnivore, rapist
      of son to get brought up
      on charges.

      …and WE ALL KNOW HOW IMPORTANT GARDENING
      AND HOME IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS are at such
      important times in
      our lives like that.
      :roll:

      AND E V E R Y O N E wants to find DE GIRL!!!!

      &

      W E

      A L L

      want Natalee to be found. Just don’t look
      at our house though. NO SEARCHIE, NO CRIME!

      Aruba has no soul. ARUBA! One Nation Under
      Van der Rapists and Kalpoes – For Which
      It Stands.

      HEE HAW —

      SALUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTE!

      Justice 4 Natalee, people.

      BOYCOTT THE ISLAND OF DEATH

      ARUBA

      http://tinyurl.com/yb7eap

    69. JusticeforNatalee on December 21st, 2006 7:40 pm

      Nelson Oduber,

      No one is above the law?

      PROVE IT.
      GIVE NATALEE JUSTICE!

    70. Mortella on December 21st, 2006 7:40 pm

      The FBI and others have already verified the Skeeters/Dr Phil tape and hard drive. Nothing was changed as to the meaning of what Deepak said, only time constraints. The lawsuit seems to mostly whine about what Beth said and did and to try to blame Dr. Phil for the actions of others, typical of Aruban behavior thought all this.

      Why is it the only tape that sounds different is the one in the possession of ALE? Obviously, someone altered their copy to try to make it sound like a Deepak denial. Bad job, too.

      Advances in this technology since 9/11 are phenomenal and the U.S. leads the world in it right now, even ahead of Israel. They can likely tell exactly when who and how that Aruban version of the tape was altered.

      There is enough venom on that tape aside from the she did/didn’t section to keep us away from Aruba for a long time if not forever. Local newspapers still trashing Mericanos from time to time, guess they think we don’t watch for that. We watch everything. Including the increase in “room invasions” and the frequent robbery of tourists.

      See the Forum Thread on Murder and Crime in Aruba for details of dozens of these incidents.

      http://tinyurl.com/yxfemk

      Crime happens everywhere but not everywhere covers it up and actually condones it with their slander of the victim as Aruba has done. Shame on Aruba and shame on those who did this to Natalee.

    71. dennisintn on December 21st, 2006 8:16 pm

      #70, the safest thing to do is not to go to aruba. try the american virgin islands, they’re great. english is the language you use for everything including legal affairs. you can’t be misquoted “accidentally” as beth was on aruba. regretaly, your loved ones can get injured or killed anywhere on the face of this earth, but on aruba, your chances of getting your loved one back, or getting justice are low to non-existenct.
      dennisintn

    72. mayan_moons on December 21st, 2006 8:22 pm

      Yes Carpe! The rocks area is a virtual graveyard! These 2 guys identities you speak of that went missing close in time to Natalee have been a well kept secret for a very long time. I feel the 2 people you’re talking about are the two who’s faces have been whited out on the Funeral Home’s Website. Since when do funeral homes white out 2 people’s obituaries that they themselves put in the Public Record?

    73. mayan_moons on December 21st, 2006 8:40 pm

      SOO There is NO? anger/upset towards the Kalpukes since they filed in CA?~

    74. Allan K on December 21st, 2006 8:47 pm

      Will somebody please get those two perverted brothers to talk.
      I wouldn’t doubt anything from this case including rogue masons. When will the house of cards fall? Who the hell do these animals think they are trying to sue somebody? I am really getting tired of that stink coming out of Aruba. Paulus and perverted buddies you will not get out of this you lowlife scum. Its way past time for that cover up crap to be over with. Somebody has got to straighten this case and Aruba out on this matter.

    75. mayan_moons on December 21st, 2006 8:49 pm

      Yeah dennisintn!

      Aruba used that excuse to the max, seems what was ACTUALLY SAID ALWAYS Gets Lost in the translation on Aruba.

    76. yoyo muffintop on December 21st, 2006 8:59 pm

      Here we go again…Captain, the basin pictures were refuted by Art Wood’s expert. He said this in the NE, and apparently to most here tabloid journalism is all true. Whoops, I should say only true when it comes to PJ2K.
      You spent a lot of time showing us how good a shape the body(now body parts) was in. Now you are saying it could have been weeks before the body floated ashore, collected and put in a bag in the basin. Please explain how the supposed body in the bag is in such pristine conditions to “see” all you have if it was floating in the ocean for weeks? I’ll help ya’ out – there is no body in the bag, and there is no face on Mars.

      And what you are seeing in the rocks is a kin to seeing the Virgin Mary on a piece of toast.

    77. yoyo muffintop on December 21st, 2006 9:04 pm

      And it seems to be people think transcripts and statements translated from pap to dutch to english are 100% accurate.

      ___________

      SM:   Actually, most of the suspect statement were taken in Dutch and written in Dutch then translated to English (klaasend)

    78. Richard on December 21st, 2006 9:14 pm

      Something that didn’t occur to me to ask before … if Dompig has no more official connection with Natalee’s case, how in the world does he know what the “new team” from the Netherlands is thinking or doing?

      I suppose some could see the hand of van der Sloot in these comments by the wannabe med student (Dompig); anything to divert attention from little Joran ….

      But maybe we can also see Dompig trying to position himself as still being an important character in the saga?

      Or maybe he got slipped some cash in return for his comments?

    79. Richard on December 21st, 2006 9:15 pm

      Mortella (70) … remember that Beth Twitty originally asked for a boycott of Aruba and the other Netherlands Antilles islands (Bonaire and Curacao, the latter being where Amy Bradley disappeared). I heartily concur.

    80. Richard on December 21st, 2006 9:22 pm

      WhyteGirl (42) … have you read about Jim Trindade, an experienced boater from Florida who disappeared in the Bahamas on Jan. 12 of this year? His boat was found idling and unoccupied in the water. He made an urgent call to the Coast Guard, but static cut out the message. There was also an American girl … can’t find her name right now … who went off on a motorbike ride with a local guy in the Bahamas, and later was found run over and slashed with a machete. Police there sat on the case for quite some time.

      Can try to find out more if you want.

    81. Frank on December 21st, 2006 9:30 pm

      Domping is a liar, no spine. 2 months after Anita Van der sloot told CBS that the ALE needs to “look in other directions” Dompig was quoted saying that they “need to look in other directions.”

      I think it’s entirely possible that every single ranking person on that island are engaged in a cover up if you consider “not thinking about it” apathy is complicit.

      Dompig is a perfect example of what not relying on the truth will do to a man. He’s the black Gumby.

    82. Joanie on December 21st, 2006 9:37 pm

      Has anyone seen this web site? It talks about a drink one can order at a bar in Aruba….it’s called “The Natalee Holloway”. THIS is one sick place. Can’t we get a letter writing campaign started to Aruba officals and flood them with how we feel? Is there any other way we can put pressure on this island of crooks and theives and killers?
      http://tinyurl.com/y8c8jk

    83. Carpe Noctem on December 21st, 2006 9:56 pm

      Rocks Crime Scene
      Cover Up Site -

      Warning:

      Corpse
      Slides
      ahead.

      4 Mayan Moons – A
      cleaner graphic. -per req.

      http://tinyurl.com/yjltyt

      An extra one.

      http://tinyurl.com/ymw9s8

      Hi Onko YO YO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Happy Holidays or Merry
      Christmas to ya, bubby.

      http://tinyurl.com/yhnfXc

      -J4N

    84. mayan_moons on December 21st, 2006 9:58 pm

      Aruba Officials are strapped into a ejection seat that deploys without warning whenever the truth is getting to close.

      All so clinical as in “my contract here in Aruba expires at the end of the year & i’ll be leaving Aruba”

      Translation: Don’t expect accountability ot answers from me coz i’m getting the heck out as soon as my *contract* ends. Yeah Thats it…

    85. Bob on December 21st, 2006 9:59 pm

      We’re all doing our part at this Christmas time. Instead of spending $200 on one more useless present, I converted it into postage stamps, and two boxes of envelopes. I then typed out a letter requesting that the receiving Travel agents refrain from promoting Aruba as a vacation destination. I had gotten a download of 1,000 Travel agent addresses from the internet, all over the country. I said if a customer requests Aruba as their destination to fill their request without comment. I only asked that they NOT go out of their way to recommend the Island. I gave a brief outline about the Natalee story, which I’m sure they already knew. My local Staples copy center was my source for printing 1,000 letters on their copy machinery. When the young man read the letter and reviewed it for spacing,etc. he commented about the subject matter. After I briefly explained the purpose and the Natalee situation, he took the letter and asked I return in 1 hour. On my return, he handed me the 2 reams, winked and said, “It’s on me, Sir”. What a good young man. I spent a few hours folding, stamping and inserting, and now I feel that something good was done.

      For my part, if each agent diverts just 1 customer each, that’s 1,000 visitors Aruba, the hotels, the airlines,the restaurants, tourist shops, etc. won’t see. I feel good this Christmas.

      Bob

    86. yoyo muffintop on December 21st, 2006 10:07 pm

      Joanie – did you read this part in your link?
      “Unfortunately I personally have no way of confirming or denying that this drink exists or if it is a bad joke traveling around the Internet.”
      This is exactly how rumors on the internet start – just throw it out there, see if it sticks. Problem with this one is you made the mistake of showing the link.

    87. yoyo muffintop on December 21st, 2006 10:11 pm

      Carpe – Happy Holidays or Merry Christmas to you as well.
      You are up all night & day workin’ – you actually might be Santa!
      Cheers!

    88. Captain Insomnia on December 21st, 2006 10:16 pm

      Oh Rudolph, with your nose SO BRIGHT!

      What-choo been draaaankin’?

      -J4N!

      http://tinyurl.com/y32lbu

    89. mayan_moons on December 21st, 2006 10:59 pm

      Wow Thanks Carpe!

      its much cleaner!

    90. page on December 21st, 2006 11:04 pm

      THIS IS HORRIBLE – BOYCOTT ARUBA

      by: Lance Winslow

      Can you believe the Bars in Aruba have a new drink called the ?Natalie Holloway? Drink? When I heard that, I felt sick to my stomach and my friend you have not even had the drink yet. Apparently this drink is a MyTai, Kamikaze Combo, which some say is good? I suppose, but I bet a couple of them would get you so drunk you would not know what on Earth your were doing? Sounds like the kind of drink a designated driver like myself ought to never go near? Thanks and I think instead I?ll have only one beer?

      Unfortunately I personally have no way of confirming or denying that this drink exists or if it is a bad joke traveling around the Internet.
      hi
      Often when dramas play out in real life comedy is a way of healing, although in this case, if this is actually true, it just sound like a sick joke and an even sicker way to drink. I certain hope it is not true and if it is, I hope it is not the newest fad in the bar scenes in Aruba, as it seems to imply that Natalie Holloway, the victim, is being made to look as if she was some sort of slut and totally drunk that night.

      We cannot know that and even if she were that is certainly no excuse to take advantage of her for sex or to kill her. The whole incident has saddened many Caribbean Travelers and Islanders who make their living from the tourist?s dollars coming in. I certainly hope that no one is joking around about such things and if they are, I hope these are isolated incidents and merely a short-term way that a few disingenuous folks are coping with this entire episode. Think on this.

      Lance Winslow

    91. Waterboy on December 21st, 2006 11:04 pm

      To 1906,

      Tell me what you think of Dave and Beth having the golf course searched with a cadaver dog. You may not have seen my post a couple of months ago. There is heavy equipment on the golf course for home construction, and there has been home construction going on there since before Natalee disappeared. In areas of heavy rock formation (like Las Vegas) they use a lot of backhoes or skid loaders (great little machines) with rock chisel attachment. The golf course is within a short distance of the lighthouse.

    92. whytegirl on December 21st, 2006 11:06 pm

      Richard, no I did not, but for these types of news, please refer to bahamasb2b.com. They have everything, from crime to corruption to elections to Anna Nicole Smith, who Bahamians want to kick out of the island badly.

      Also for Anna Nicole I check tmz.com, which the bloggers there are at the phase of writing everybody in CA and in the Bahamas to boycott the island and to ask for an inquest in Daniel Smith’s death, and DNA test on the baby. They say that they hope that Bahamas DOES NOT TURN OUT TO BE ANOTHER ARUBA!

      They know very well about Natalee’s case and they don’t want a coverup in Daniel’s death either. But I don’t think this incident will affect tourism because we all know that there is a galaxy-wide difference between Beth and Anna Nicole and Anna has not pursued justice for her son, just wants the Marshall’s money.

      Sorry to take you out of the subject but I have been going back to review Natalee’s case since the beginning see if I catch something different now.

      Enjoy your evening.

    93. Carpe Noctem on December 21st, 2006 11:26 pm

      “…and if at first you don’t succeed, whip off your
      slipper and beat the SH out of your nearest Saddam
      statue?” :lol:

      …mmmmkay, and again.

      VID 05

      COUNT @ 2:05 T

      Super Enhanced

      “Thing On The ROCKS Of Arashi” WTF???

      http://tinyurl.com/y93a76

      -Justice 4 Natalee

    94. Carpe Noctem on December 21st, 2006 11:36 pm

      EVEN CLOSER -

      VID 5 – 2:05 T

      http://tinyurl.com/yy5csl

      The rest of my portfolio on these
      can be found here. Unfortunately, I
      can’t list every single one…
      but the catalog can always be
      found right here.

      http://tinyurl.com/gut3h

      TY

      -J4N

    95. yoyo muffintop on December 21st, 2006 11:39 pm

      Cap’n I & mayan – take a look at chicago 510 5 (http://tinyurl.com/ycedj9) at about 1:39-1:40. As you will see, its a boulder. Clear as day. next

    96. mayan_moons on December 21st, 2006 11:41 pm

      lol #88

    97. JusticeforNatalee on December 21st, 2006 11:54 pm

      You go, Bob!

      Everybody, please read comment 85.

    98. yoyo muffintop on December 22nd, 2006 12:01 am

      http://tinyurl.com/ycedj9

      1:30-1:40 again. Just a rock – get a close as you want.
      Although that dude with the dogs is creepy looking.

      () was a brilliant idea

    99. mayan_moons on December 22nd, 2006 12:44 am

      Very nice Bob…….thank you.

    100. jhawks on December 22nd, 2006 1:08 am

      Just days away from Carnival Cruise Lines saying “the hell with your corruption little happy island”.

      Good riddance!

    101. Carpe Noctem on December 22nd, 2006 1:13 am

      Yo,

      Go stick yer thumb in yer mouth & blow it til your
      effin ears pop. ***If you hit the floor and turn blue,
      congratulations… you’ve done it correctly!

      ———

      I found it at :22 secs deep into Vid #8 as well.

      I don’t know precisely what it is, but it’s
      definitely not JUST A ROCK… you genetically
      modified nimrod.

      I’m using the GOOGLE VIDEO PLAYER @ FULL SCREEN

      for the viewing as I grab my screen shots.

      The difference from watching it in the browser,
      is night and day.

      Ploooooooppppppt! :-)

      -J4N

      screengrab:

      http://tinyurl.com/yfx52d

      http://tinyurl.com/w3qqd

    102. mayan_moons on December 22nd, 2006 1:43 am

      Carpe!

      Nothing like full screen google viewer friend!

    103. mayan_moons on December 22nd, 2006 1:54 am

      And you said a mouthful when you said people would have to be Crazy to go to Aruba/ABC Islands. DAMN what flavour Kool-Aid are they mixing with the tequila in Aruba?~
      That place is f’n nutZ!~

    104. mayan_moons on December 22nd, 2006 2:01 am

      Look at the position of that body over the boulder people, what kind of person would leave a body like that to be found.

    105. mayan_moons on December 22nd, 2006 2:27 am

      Okay….here’s what strikes me most is that as disturbing as the body laying over the boulder is, the clean up crew isn’t paying much attention to it. All eyes are looking at something else even more bizarro but the bushes hide it from our eyes.

    106. Richard on December 22nd, 2006 6:08 am

      Good work, Bob (85). The more of us writing, the better. Unfortunately, and I suppose it’s to be expected, the average travel agent isn’t going to argue with clients about where to go … they’ll race to get the credit card and the commission. I think that the Internet and direct booking with airlines is going to be the kiss of death for most travel agencies, except the topline ones.

      Early on, some of us had a letter-writing campaign going to the American Society of Travel Agents. I got a few replies saying that while they deplored the “Natalie Holloway” tragedy, they didn’t think it their business to tell people where to go.

      That, of course, evaded the issue: would they consider ADVISING people to avoid Aruba? And tell them why? Nope.
      (I replied that if their concern was so sincere, perhaps they could learn how to spell “Natalie” correctly.)

      Here’s the contact:

      Ms. Kathryn W. Sudeikis
      President and Chief Executive
      1101 King St., Suite 200
      Alexandria, VA 22314

      WhyteGirl (92), thanks for giving me that site.

    107. 10061906 on December 22nd, 2006 6:17 am

      Waterboy 91: I didn’t know about the equipment at the golf course.
      When was it searched?
      I don’t recall any mention of it in Dave’s book.
      Fill me in.
      My opinion is too much time elapsed for the dogs to be effective and when did Aruba permit these dogs entry.

    108. 10061906 on December 22nd, 2006 6:21 am

      Bob 85. Good job. You should be complimented.
      Have a Good Holiday and a Merry Christmas.

    109. Richard on December 22nd, 2006 6:37 am

      WhyteGirl, the case I was thinking about was that of Rebecca Middleton, raped and murdered in 1996 on Bermuda. Another total travesty of justice … but do you think the travel agencies and tourist bureaus tell people about these things? Hell, no! Your safety is your problem.

      Here’s the Website about the case; specific reference is made to Natalee Holloway.

      http://rebeccamiddleton.org/_wsn/page2.html

    110. Waterboy on December 22nd, 2006 9:20 am

      1906,

      The equipment i.e. backhoe, skid loaders, is assumption on my part. I’ve never seen home construction without the equipment. The skid loaders with rock chisels are just standard equipment. (If you ever get the chance to drive one, don’t pass it up). http://www.buyerzone.com/industrial/steer_loaders/qz_questions_836d.jhtml?_requestid=112531 My neighbor has backhoes and worked in Las Vegas for a short time, but missed his family too much. I was able to get the newsletter from the golf course for a while. It had all kinds of homes for sale, or you could just have one built.

      The search of the golf course http://www.tierradelsol.com/ is recent (after Dave’s book). It is near the isolated Church that you have talked about before. I tried to do a search of member’s names and I was somewhat successful, my wife took over my old laptop. I think I had the newsletter bookmarked on it. Go to the web site above and then to the news, and download the “Beacon.” Some of the recent newsletters are there. The old ones, around Natalee have been swept.

      It’s been awhile and with the passage of time, the dogs become more and more ineffective. However, I meet a guy once who had such a dog. He had been all over the world with his dog (a small female German Shepherd). This was 20 years ago (maybe longer), but he was primarily interested in finding a young man’s body that had disappeared in the Hill Country Of Texas. The Church group that the boy was with was crossing a low water crossing and the bus got washed over. This young man single handedly saved several other young people, at extreme personal risk, and in the end with fatigue, and exhaustion setting in, made the ultimate sacrifice, became entangled in an uprooted tree that was washed down stream and disappeared. http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2003/ofr03-193/cd_files/USGS_Storms/patton.htm (Do a search on church twice to find part of the story. The boy is not mentioned.)

      Also, 1906, consider this. One use of cadaver dogs is to find bodies that have washed out of graveyards after a flood. These may be bodies that have been buried for decades.

      Anyway, this guy with the dog felt such admiration for this young man and wanted closure so badly for the family that he searched for years. He always took his dog in the search. He used heavy equipment in the search at his own expense. I know he was taking his dog out there for at least 3 years, and he would use heavy equipment in areas where the dog alerted.

      S.M.-help me out here. I know that I read about a golf course search, but I just can’t find it.

      Jerry

    111. vicki on December 22nd, 2006 10:27 am

      Richard#109- how very sad for such a beautiful person. My heart goes out to this family. To think of the torture this poor young lady had to indure. At least her family was able to bury her and finally after all this time get some answers. May the truth finally come out for Natalee.and may God grant the family and friends of Natalee to have peace this Holiday season.

    112. Leslie on December 22nd, 2006 10:29 am

      Anyone having a problem getting into the forum this AM? I can’t get to page 27 or post a reply on page 26.

      Diario
      http://www.diarioaruba.com/
      Amigoe
      http://www.amigoe.com/english/
      BonDia
      http://www.cspnv.com/
      Solo di Pueblo
      http://www.solodipueblo.com/
      AweMainta
      http://www.awemainta.com/
      Aruba Today
      http://www.arubatoday.com/
      Translator:
      http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl

    113. Chata on December 22nd, 2006 10:38 am

      It must have gone for down … I was there about 30 minutes ago and it was OK. When I came back about 5-10 minutes I got a fatal error message.

    114. Chata on December 22nd, 2006 10:40 am

      Seems OK now.

    115. Eb on December 22nd, 2006 11:01 am

      Leslie. Yes, I can’t get into forum either. did once, now can’t.

    116. Waterboy on December 22nd, 2006 11:05 am

      S.M.,

      Wasn’t there a recent search of the golf course?

    117. Waterboy on December 22nd, 2006 11:08 am

      S.M.,
      Didn’t Dave Holloway recently hire a private individual with a dog to search the golf course, and wasn’t the search allowed? I thought I read it here. Maybe not.

    118. Waterboy on December 22nd, 2006 11:12 am

      In case someone missed it, here is the golf course http://www.tierradelsol.com/ and wow, it’s right there at the lighthouse, rock scene, Church, restaurant, sand domes, etc

    119. Anna on December 22nd, 2006 11:16 am

      I can’t get into the Forum, either. Seems OK until Page 27 then I get the fatal error, also.

    120. Ebb on December 22nd, 2006 11:18 am

      Still can’t get on forum.
      Carpe: I have google video player. How can I see what you see from inside it?

    121. Smish on December 22nd, 2006 11:21 am

      Forum seems to be down.

    122. Richard on December 22nd, 2006 11:23 am

      Vicki (111) … and just think how the media image of the “tourist paradise” created and sustained by those with a stake in travel, the cruise ship companies and the airlines, not to mention the travel agents, never let you know about things like this.

      Not to mention, of course, total inaction by our government.

      At least this family might stand to benefit from working with Beth Twitty’s organization. It won’t bring their daughter back, but (as I’m finding with the cruise ship companies) the more you put the word out there, the more people start listening, saying “I never knew that,” and maybe something will be done.

      Those with a financial stake in tourism won’t do it. Our government won’t do it. The Caribbean countries won’t do it. And if we don’t … who will?

    123. Waterboy on December 22nd, 2006 11:27 am

      Sorry Monkeys,

      I’m stuck on the golf course, and the gardener. No one out there besides me thinks the “Gardner” was a “fixer”? Where is he now? Did the “fixer” get fixed?
      Who plays golf at night?

    124. Scared Monkeys on December 22nd, 2006 11:55 am

      The forum is back up. Use LCD# 564 (klaasend)

    125. Carpe Noctem on December 22nd, 2006 1:10 pm

      Ebb Says:

      Carpe: I have google video player. How can I see what you see from inside it?
      Comment by Ebb | December 22, 2006, 11:18 am

      ———

      Hey Ebb -

      Try these things.

      ———

      To get better viewings on the Chicago / Arubay Vids with GOODLE PLAYER

      1. Do like Ebb did, and download the GOOGLE VIDEO PLAYER from here.

      http://video.google.com/playerdownload

      2. Find the Chi /Aru Video You Are Looking For. ( 38 available online )

      http://tinyurl.com/yysaq6

      I’m using HOTSHOT’S http://arubassilence.bravehost.com/
      website for my bookmarker and pointer on those.

      3. The one with the weird figure I recently found on top of one of the rocks can be found on VID # 5 and VID # 8 at different points throughout the filming.

      4. When you double-click the video of your choosing… it will follow the link and start up. ***NOW, LOOK OFF TO THE RIGHT as the video automatically starts playing in your browser… there is a button that says DOWNLOAD WIN/MAC … that is the .GVP file that you need if you are going to watch it in big screen with the GOOGLE V.P. — Either open it and watch it right then… or SAVE IT somewhere to your desktop for viewing at a later time.

      5. It should play in stand alone Google Vid Player now… you can make it even B I G G E R — by going up to view in the menu and select
      ‘FULL SCREEN’

      —end

      –J4N
      SEASON’S GREETINGS ARUBA!
      http://tinyurl.com/yks7cw

    126. Carpe Noctem on December 22nd, 2006 1:16 pm

      Fri. Dec, 22

      ANITA VAN DER SLOOT — Drops 2 New Bombshells!

      in the Holloway Case.

      ***Developing Story:

      http://tinyurl.com/uyzwj

      http://tinyurl.com/y5e8dr

      http://tinyurl.com/urgm5

      -J4N

    127. Joanie on December 22nd, 2006 1:17 pm

      That link must be true as I saw several other sites that talked about it. Only this one site was shocked that someone actually named a drink after her. But its Aruba – what can we all expect. There has to be more ways to put pressure on Aruba to give up info. I feel so helpless that I can’t physically do much. Finding the rotten rumors out there – or they may be true – and exposing those is a way to defend that innocent young lady. If there really IS a drink named after her, can that bar or bars be sued? I hope its not true, but you never know these days. I found some nasty sites about the Amish children too. Its horrible that anyone would make fun or even write about things like that. Sorry if you found it offencive. I just don’t want to see things like that anywhere on the web. But, we have free speech ya know. probably not much we can do about it.

    128. Carpe Noctem on December 22nd, 2006 1:54 pm

      A juxtaposed shot from
      out at the ROCKS SITE.

      #8 Video

      http://tinyurl.com/ydyhu6

      -J4N
      Boycott Aruba

    129. mayan_moons on December 22nd, 2006 2:28 pm

      Hey Waterboy post#123

      “Where is the gardner?”

      I say yeah where is he and the jogger too, remember hin?

    130. mayan_moons on December 22nd, 2006 2:33 pm

      him rather*

    131. yoyo muffintop on December 22nd, 2006 5:00 pm

      Captain, you hittin’ the 2 foot graphics today? It’s a rock – there are many different angles in multiple videos of the same rock. Its a rock. And rather than use google vid, convert it to avi/mpeg and break it down from there.
      Don’t cha know it’s puff/pass/puff, not puff/puff/pass?

    132. Carpe Noctem on December 22nd, 2006 5:23 pm

      ARUBAY 38

      THE ROCKS – CLH/ARASHI ARUBA

      “THE SKULL”

      http://tinyurl.com/yb789w

      JUSTICE 4 NATALEE

      JUSTICE 4 NATALEE

      JUSTICE 4 NATALEE

    133. Carpe Noctem on December 22nd, 2006 5:31 pm

      Waterboy says: “Where is the gardener?”

      —-

      He’s been fastidiously been tending
      to Julia Renfro’s ‘Cockleshells’ -
      and has been very busy. ;-)

      Not much
      time left for
      bein’ the
      Gabby Gab-ster.

      Oy!!!

      That snitch has got
      a passel of cockle.

      -J4N

    134. Carpe Noctem on December 22nd, 2006 5:52 pm

      Yo Yo -

      This is just a friendly
      daily reminder for you:

      You’re still an effin moron, &
      nobody here really likes you.

      Just in case you forgot since last night!

      Here’s your ‘STICKY’

      Go hit the ‘MONKEY BUNKIE’ or
      play with a radio while
      bathing. ya big dug a$$.
      -J4N

    135. Maggie on December 22nd, 2006 7:19 pm

      I don’t read the Globe and never was a fan of Dr. Phil, but with that said, I don’t believe that he committed a fraud on his show with that tape. Who is Deepak and Satish to accuse someone of a fraud? We let Natalee out at the Holiday Inn, she was very drunk and fell, A security guard dressed in black approached her, that explains why she’s missing. It’s not that we did anything wrong it was the guards. I didn’t even know her name. Who cares if the 2 guards are sitting in jail for 9 days, Who cares if Natalee is gone, we are meeting to get our stories straight, and to make up more lies about Natalee, and BIG Daddy-O is telling us if they have no body, they have no crime, that’s all that matters. Me, MYself and I. What sh*t are they going to see if they find Natalee? Why is Joran going to do time for it if they do. For any of these people to call Jossy, Phil or Skeeters a fraud is a joke. Can’t you hear Deepak yelling again ” I hit the Jackpot”? I remember another edited tape, The one on ABC with Chris Cuomo, showing Joran entering the casino, then Natalee, but later showing Natalee sitting in the casino with a time shown earlier then it showing her entering. Why not show the whole tape and show them actually entering and who that is sitting by Natalee entering and sitting down. Edited for time? Or to let people see just what they want seen?
      Maybe they would like to explain how a person leaves without leaving footprints, a shoe, a drivers license, hair, nothing behind. It’s all too perfect as if it was cleaned up just like the car. Twice. sand, ants? Go to work, go out and party and come home and clean your car before daylight. Not a trace of Natalee in the car. I don’t know her name, she never did speak to us. A truly innocent person would be saying I took her to the beach right off and left her, anything find her ,. a trace, shoe, to prove my innocence and to show what happened to her. They did everything guilty people do. Lie, obstruct, and collude to prevent anyone from knowing where Natalee was and what was done to her.

    136. yoyo muffintop on December 22nd, 2006 7:21 pm

      Hey Carpe – who’s the moron? Your “bag in the basin” got blown apart by Art Woods. Funny how you never defended yourself on that – very telling. Now you’re on to this rock, when it is clearly, and I repeat, clearly a rock.
      You are a scammer and a rank amateur – just because you put “J4N” at the bottom of your posts doesn’t mean you are to be believed.

      You should be interested in this though – I just stood in line for 8 hours to see a chip that looked like the Virgin Mary at a Rubios.

      ______________

      SM:   YOYO – you don’t know what you are talking about.   Art Woods never even saw Carpe’s pictures.   The picture that was in the National Enquirer had nothing to do with the pictures Carpe has.   Whether there’s something in Carpe’ s pictures or not, they weren’t blown apart by anyone.   (klaasend)

    137. Richard on December 22nd, 2006 8:59 pm

      The Kalpoes are liars, period. We (at least most of us who frequent this board) don’t know whether Dr. Phil faked anything about the tape or not. Some might believe he did, some might not; but we don’t know.

      Whether he did or not, though, does not in any way relate to the many lies that the Kalpoes have told from day one, to say nothing of the “from the ditch” family.

      So the issues are separate from each other.

    138. yoyo muffintop on December 22nd, 2006 9:32 pm

      SM:   YOYO – you don’t know what you are talking about.   Art Woods never even saw Carpe’s pictures.   The picture that was in the National Enquirer had nothing to do with the pictures Carpe has.   Whether there’s something in Carpe’ s pictures or not, they weren’t blown apart by anyone.   (klaasend)

      Semantics – Carpe’s pic/NE’s pic. Nice try though. If you would like I could copy over Art Woods e-mail where he explains that the family asked him to have the “bag in basin” picture analyzed by an expert, which he did. And guess what the expert’s conclusion was…
      You are correct that the NE picture was not carpe’s per se, but it came from the same video. Unless you are saying Carpe’s picture of the bag somehow has magical powers and is different than the NE’s?

      _________________

      SM:   All I’m saying is Carpe has never outlined the same body that was in the NE article.   Whether there’s something there or not, it has nothing to do with Carpe’s take on the screen captures from the aru-bay videos.   (klaasend)

    139. Carpe Noctem on December 22nd, 2006 9:40 pm

      Right on, Maggie -

      Deepak calling Dr. Phil a fraud, is like Charles
      Manson calling up Barney the poiple dinosaur
      and asking him to back off
      the violence.

      ( only Phil has more credibility than Barney
      – he’s not purple, and his wife is pretty
      HOT for bein’ a bald guy – uh ya, other than that
      tho’ — the analogy holds true.)

      HEY*

      Deepak and Satish, reach down and grab your
      ‘moon units’ boys… mama ALPO won’t level with
      you, but I will…

      –YOU NEED A MAJOR F’N GRIP!–

      P-A-C-K- your trash bags, oh and BY THE BY… those
      aren’t considered ‘CARRY ON LUGGAGE’ ANYMORE!
      ROFLMAO

      ———

      yo,

      Didja eat it… or are you gonna
      auction it off on E-Bay?

      http://tinyurl.com/sgvXp

    140. mayan_moons on December 22nd, 2006 9:41 pm

      Yoyo: who’s the moron?

      Its the same stupid bitch who comes to a missing person’s(Natalee) board mocking the efforts of people that want to find her, her remains and the truth of what happened.

    141. Carpe Noctem on December 22nd, 2006 10:15 pm

      ************
      Yo Says:
      If you would like I could copy over Art Woods e-mail where he explains that the family asked him to have the “bag in basin” picture analyzed by an expert, which he did.
      ***********

      Hey Taco, is this you?

      This CAN NOT be that over-hyped,
      burbling gas load of MONDO turbo funk-us…

      “Joey Tacos”

      can it?

      Trollin’ SM message boards?

      Get a new client.

      Try one that pays
      this time. I hope next
      time Kimberly Guilfoyle
      has you on her show, she smacks
      you in the face with a tuna
      fish during a commercial break.

      She’s pretty friggin hot!!!

      http://tinyurl.com/y64cuf

      -J4N

      -J4N

    142. AHNAM on December 23rd, 2006 1:25 am

      ya totally

    143. nychic on December 23rd, 2006 2:35 am

      hey carpe -

      I noticed yoyo thinks the person with the dogs
      in the video is a creepy guy ??

      I say “dude looks like a lady”
      What say you ?

      I would have said it could be Renfro with all that
      matted hair tucked up into a hat – but I have heard
      that her ass has become bigger than Joran’s ! In other
      words – her sailboarding days are OVER ! So who is it ?

    144. nychic on December 23rd, 2006 2:37 am

      To Robert-

      It Has Already Been Confirmed That The Keys Used To
      Enter Natalee’s Room That Evening At The Holiday Inn
      Were Used By One Of Her 3 Other Roommates

    145. Richard on December 23rd, 2006 6:31 am

      I’ll wait until Art Wood tells me in person what he thinks.

      Just leaving a note here: best seasonal and holiday wishes to all posters of good will. I’m leaving today for a seasonal break, and (I hope) won’t be anywhere near a computer until I return home on Dec. 31. So those who have expressed dismay at my long, rambling posts will have extra reason to rejoice.

      Needless to say, I’ll be scouring this board when I get back to check up on the latest developments. If it doesn’t happen this year, let 2007 be the year of answers. And let it be the year of justice for Natalee and her family. She truly is everyone’s daughter now, an iconic symbol.

      And in a very different sense, let it be the year of justice for anyone and everyone involved in her disappearance, both for those who took an active part and those who could have come forward, but did not.

      Finally, a very big thank you to the people who run this forum and those from all countries who remain determined to get answers. “No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba.” Let it be so forevermore.

    146. Richard on December 23rd, 2006 6:32 am

      Also, of course, let the mystery of Amy Bradley be solved.

    147. super dave on December 23rd, 2006 10:59 am

      yoyo ho renfro taco: still trying to lie for it’s boys and daddy. how much are they paying you ho ? looks like you are all by yourself out here. one against thousands. your odds are not looking too good right now. was it really you with the dogs ? super large a$$ and funny looking head about the same size ?

    148. chris on December 23rd, 2006 12:06 pm

      Richard you deserve the break. You’re great for the people and our cause here and I’m sure Natalee’s families appreciate all your efforts on her behalf.
      Have a wonderful holiday and believe that 2007 will finally bring closure.

      My best wishes go out to everyone here, yes, even the trolls……chris

    149. Carpe Noctem on December 23rd, 2006 2:12 pm

      Nychic,

      I had another look at it with
      my special deblurring and magnifying
      software… and I think you are
      ABSOLUTELY correct…

      that odd looking
      man, is in fact a WOMAN!!!!

      Exhibit A:

      http://tinyurl.com/y2po79

      —-

      - BOYCOTT ARUBA –

      http://tinyurl.com/y9oys5

      JUSTICE 4 NATALEE ANN

      http://tinyurl.com/ye89oc

      —-

      A Natalee Wallpaper for your computers.

      http://tinyurl.com/yahlpq

      —-

      P.S. Richard, post #145 was a kick a$$
      masterpiece. Have a good & safe
      time whilst on vacation, brutha!

      -J4N, all.

      Happy Holidays – Merry Christmas!

      http://tinyurl.com/y5xp5x

      P.S. Chris has such a kind forgiving heart,
      she even blessed a TROLL!
      Now thatis what I call
      be a bigger person.

    150. anne on December 23rd, 2006 4:26 pm

      Here is the response I received from my congressman Chris Van Hollen of Maryland. I faxed him a letter requesting his attention to the Natalee Holloway case and alerting him to the Scaredmonkeys’ website:

      “Thank you for contacting me about the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. I appreciate your taking the time to share your views with me.

      Like you, I have been very disappointed by the manner in which Aruban authorities have conducted the investigation. Natalee Holloway’s disappearance is something no parent should have to go through with their child. To this end, I sent a letter last year to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice requesting that the State Department pressure the Aruban government to cooperate with the F.B.I. in this investigation.

      Again, thank you for taking the time to contact me. Please let me know whenever I may be of service.

      Sincerely,
      Chris Van Hollen”

    151. Carpe Noctem on December 23rd, 2006 4:42 pm

      AMIGOE.COM (After Babel Fish Translator)

      ORANJESTAD – the states have vanmorgen round half two, after scarcely three hours meet, the bill adopted concerning the tax on the bedrijfsomzetten (bbo). This gone after extremely chaotically a meeting, where eventually the opposition left the room before the treatment of the controversial bill could start. The law could be adopted because the present mep-fractiemep-fractie mep-fractie has a majority in the parliament. Except a number of observations concerning the controls, by the fractie it was unanimously decided that the tax by 1 January 2007 can be carried out.

      -source
      Amigoe Aruba
      22 Dec, 2006, 17:56

    152. Meee on December 23rd, 2006 4:46 pm

      As always. When is Karin Jansen gonna follow the law. And arrest the suspects. And there friends for Obstruction? Why are they still out on the streets and not in a prison cell serving 6 years?

    153. Meee on December 23rd, 2006 6:56 pm

      Good job Anne

    154. Carpe Noctem on December 23rd, 2006 7:34 pm

      *** SCARED MONKEYS BLOG ***

      “It Just Don’t Get No Better Than This!”

      You are HERE. X

      http://tinyurl.com/ykh6j5

      -Justice for Natalee

    155. Maggie on December 23rd, 2006 7:35 pm

      Christmas number 2, the Holloways and Twittys are spending without their beautiful daughter Natalee, meanwhile the suspects have spent the last two years celebrating the holidays as usual.

      Beth, Jug, Matt, Dave, Robin, Merry Christmas and we so wish we could bring your daughter/sister back to you. Keep on being strong. I think you are all a class act.

    156. Anna on December 23rd, 2006 7:47 pm

      Remember Paulus at the end of an interview, when the reporter said he hoped Natalee would be found, Paulus said Well, Good Luck on that one! or words to that effect?

      I pray for justice for Natalee.

    157. judy w. on December 23rd, 2006 8:02 pm

      Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays….
      To all you Monkeys & visitors
      *********************
      And prayers for Beth & family, Dave & family and all loved ones of Natalee Ann Holloway for God’s comfort during this holiday season and always.
      *********************
      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!
      *********************

    158. Carpe Noctem on December 23rd, 2006 8:17 pm

      Karin Jaansen and the entire A.L.E.
      ARE MENTALLY DERANGED.

      Who in the hell is the Chief

      of their (mafioso driven)

      Non-Polis

      Department now anyway? You notice how he’s

      hiding out like a pathetic shaking wet rodent…

      so as not to have his big tookus hanging out

      with a target sign painted on it? Afraid of how

      we shredded that last swine into minced meat

      pieces, I guess.

      WUZLICKS!

      All of them have LOST THEIR FRIGGIN MINDS.

      It’s like “The Mad Hatter” or “Alice In Wonderland”

      ARUBA

      …an Island of Death, Hatred,
      Complicity, and Duplicity.
      All is fair in
      Van der Rapists and
      killer-raping Kalpoes,
      huh???

      May the reap what they sow.

      Oh I S-A-Y,
      POX on your house!

      -J4N

      http://tinyurl.com/yd2far

    159. Carpe Noctem on December 24th, 2006 12:50 am

      Hey Yo Yo…

      Did you find your Virgin Mary Chip

      @ the Rubio’s in downtown Las Vegas?

      -J4N
      http://tinyurl.com/ygbbbz

    160. Harold L. Smith on December 24th, 2006 3:27 am

      Some people are predicting this case will have closure with the coming of a new year. With all the post which I am now reading I still don’t see anyone questioning the actions of the mother and the step dad as to where they were and what they were doing during this young lady’s disapearence.

    161. Smish on December 24th, 2006 9:28 am

      Well #160,Harold L.Smith,The parents were not on Aruba when Natalee”went missing”.Next question……

    162. Waterboy on December 24th, 2006 10:14 am

      Hey Waterboy post#123
      “Where is the gardner?”
      I say yeah where is he and the jogger too, remember hin?
      Comment by mayan_moons | December 22, 2006, 2:28 pm

      Mayan_moons,
      The jogger—It’s been so long, I can’t remember where he fits in or what he saw, and you’re right-where is the guy.
      Is this a witness that Art found?

    163. nut44x4 on December 24th, 2006 12:53 pm

      re # 160 and commenting on # 161—smish…… I totally agree. I saw # 160 earlier and felt inside that harold smith is nothing but a ‘troll’. Still looking for INSIDE infooooo to nataleeeee’s dissssssaaaaappppppearanceeeeee. NOT GONNA GET IT JACK…..get over it. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows what happened. It is just a matter of time…hehe hehe hehe……

    164. mayan_moons on December 24th, 2006 1:10 pm

      I had to come by and wish everyone a safe Merry Christmas. As we gather arround our families remember Natalee & her family & what they are missing. If i could have 1 wish today it would be that those whose hearts are cold would be touched by a blessing in their own lives and would want to right some wrongs they see arround them if they can. All things are possible and i have faith that someone in Aruba will look into the face of their own children & decide that its time Natalee come home.

    165. vicki on December 24th, 2006 1:43 pm

      164 mayan, i couldnt have said it better. To all of us monkeys that NEED answers for the Holloways and Twittys God bless you and keep praying. Justice is right around the corner. Happy Holidays and a Healthy Happy New Year. Remember to be grateful for what you have we never know when we may lose it.

    166. JusticeforNatalee on December 24th, 2006 1:59 pm

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

      PEACE FOR BETH AND DAVE

      HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL MONKEYS!

    167. St. Noctem, North Pole on December 24th, 2006 2:30 pm

      Harold,

      That question has been asked a bunch. What did Natalee’s
      parents know? When did they know it? The MB Chaperones,
      did they react properly? ( in a reasonable manner? )

      I personally have reasearched those things for myself,
      and have satisfied myself *FULLY* that none of
      those things contributed to Natalee’s
      disappearance.

      (probable death by now)

      In fact, what I learned DEEPENED my respect for
      Beth, Dave and Jug! There is no User’s Manual
      for the 100 PERCENT proper way to act
      in that situation.

      -BUT

      They did not do anything that any
      normal parent who TRULY LOVED their
      children would not do. IMO

      I literally don’t know how they hold up
      under all the pressure!

      Many might have ‘wigged out’ and
      taken the low road.

      I am afraid I would have had the inclination
      to hunt down those li’l disrespectful
      son of a twitches, rip
      off their arms, toss ‘em in a
      freezer for an hour…
      let ‘em get good and frozen,
      then whip them out
      and beat that ‘Franken-Poozle’
      Paulus Van der
      Dope over the head
      with it!

      What a man skank LIAR of

      a TOXIC HOSEBAG he is, huh?

      eehhhh yes, Good Night &
      God Bless!

      -Red Skelton

      —-

      Merry Christmas & a Big
      Happy Holidays To You All!

      http://tinyurl.com/y5xp5x

      http://tinyurl.com/yjt478

      http://tinyurl.com/y4sxt6

      -J4N

      P.S. Send that cookies.

    168. St. Noctem, North Pole on December 24th, 2006 2:37 pm

      —That …
      THE Cookies. Dohhh! -J4N

    169. Carpe Noctem on December 24th, 2006 2:56 pm

      My latest runs on picking apart

      the ARUBAY ROCKS VIDEOS

      in to slides.

      ———-

      http://tinyurl.com/y9rd3f

      SLIDESHOW FORM

      http://tinyurl.com/yfulve

      Justice 4 Natalie
      Justice 4 Natalie
      Justice 4 Natalie

    170. dennisintn on December 24th, 2006 6:01 pm

      #l67, st. noctem, lol, i agree with you l00% on this post.
      dennisintn

    171. Waterboy on December 24th, 2006 9:21 pm

      If Paulus, Joran, the 2Ks, Freddie, Jan van der Stratten, 
Gerald and Michael Dompig, Geoffrey Van Cromvorit, Guido Wever,
Keon Gottenbos, Dennis Jacobs, and Sander Gottenbos were asked questions-all the questions, and they told the truth, would the world know what hapeen to Natalee.

      I say 100%, for Davie Crockett sure we would know.

    172. Johnm/Kelmal/Gretamal on December 24th, 2006 9:40 pm

      Get a life! {{edit}}  

      ___________

      SM:   Nice try Johnm/Kelmal/Gretamal.    I suggest you follow your own advise and GET A LIFE!  (klaasend)  

       

    173. Jasmine on December 24th, 2006 10:18 pm

      IMerry Christmas to all Monkeys and front page posters. My prayers are with the Holloway & Twitty families. We won’t give up hope. The new year brings new possibilities. We will find Justice for Natalee.

    174. Allan K on December 25th, 2006 9:17 am

      Waterboy

      Yes, I am in complete agreement with you. Will justice prevail? Has been too long for me already. The above names seems like more than a few bad apples with no remorse,lacking a moral conscious. Who will ask the questions? We have seen Aruba and the Dutch ask. Nobody it seems with any tenacity, it is like if anything was found out it would be because of accidental slip. Are their no people with morals within our own government or are they too busy governing me. I don’t ask all cases to be looked at but this one I do. Its not pleasant to look on TV at corruption and sexual deviants getting away with murder.

    175. vicki on December 25th, 2006 9:54 am

      #172 hahahahahahahahah just cant stay away…….

    176. Carpe Noctem on December 25th, 2006 1:40 pm

      A li’l cartoon for you.

      http://tinyurl.com/yhmtt2

      …”and then there WERE THREE BLIND MICE.” (Taz)

      New side profile discovered
      in the grey compact car
      leaving ‘THE ROCKS’
      in #38 ARUBAY
      VIDEO

      http://tinyurl.com/y9tpgk

      —JUSTICE FOR NAT-SKI— it is coming.

      Merry Christmas all!

    177. Carpe Noctem on December 25th, 2006 3:07 pm

      Hey Nychic,

      I think you are correct, mi dussshi!

      Anita
      Vds was at the
      ROCK site!!!!

      Good eyes. ;-)

      pic:
      http://tinyurl.com/yfk9k3

      You don’t post darn near as much as you
      should! You must have your hands full
      these days… hope all is well in your
      world.

      ——–
      BONUS:

      A picture of Dennis Jacob’s
      new ‘HOTTIE’ at Club Bahia
      on Christmas Eve?

      http://tinyurl.com/ymxrg2

      -J4N

    178. Waterboy on December 25th, 2006 7:25 pm

      To all monkeys,

      This is a continuation of part I of a “Tale of Two Mothers.” I put it at the end, cause it’s long. There isn’t much going on. Maybe it will bring a tear or two. I shed a few in writing it.

      A Tale Of Two Mothers

      After a short prayer of appeal and a tearful thank you to the Lord, She laid down for a few minutes. It had been a long, dark night. Wonderful, wonderful images filled her dreams and darted through her memory as she drifted off quickly into the deepest part of sleep. Images of her daughter: an infant, a child, a young woman, graduation from college, marriage to a wonderful young man; filled her dreams. What a beautiful, beautiful, child. Then, a horrible nightmare woke her from her slumber. She was no longer dreaming. The nightmare was real. Her beautiful daughter was missing. Meet Mother #1.

      She had returned from her trip to discover the house (let’s not call it a home) in complete disarray. There was confusion as usual, but this time the air was so full of fear and panic that the weight of if was like walking through deep water. She use to be Mother, with a capital M, but because of some poor choices, now she is just mother. He never respected her or valued her; she was afraid. Meet mother #2.
      Mother #1 had received word that her daughter had missed the flight home from a graduation trip. She knew her daughter. She recognized something as wrong. Something was dreadfully wrong. She could perceive her daughter’s voice calling her name. She offered a prayer. “Lord in the name of your Son, protect my daughter.”

      mother #2 knew something was wrong. She knew her son was in trouble again. She could hear everyone calling his name. It was like a riot forming, and her son’s name was recited again and again. Not fair, she thought. She offered no prayer, because she knew not the Father.

      Mother #1 thoughts drifted back to her daughter. She was every parent’s dream, sweet and tender hearted, trusting to a fault. She was obedient and trustworthy. Mother #1 was so thankful of the job she had done in raising her daughter, but then she thought, what a selfish idea. She had so many wonderful people in her life to guide and direct her.

      mother # 2 looked at her son. She was afraid to ask any questions. She thought to herself, “when did the darkness creep in?” She thought again and remembered the darkness had always been there. It was as if evil had possessed her son since birth. She thought, “what is he capable of?”

      Time has played a cruel trick on mother #2. It had advanced her many decades beyond her chronological age. Living in fear, and receiving such disrespect will do that. She thought to herself, “I should have never married his father. I knew he was trouble. I should have left when he got into all that trouble in college.”

      So it was, that Mother #1 and mother #2 meet. It was no accidental meeting.

      To be continued.

    179. Molly on December 26th, 2006 11:42 am

      Hi, SM, Our IP sold us to someone else who was incapable of giving us service. I haven’t been on here for over three weeks. AAaaaaaaaa.

      I am thinking that the Kalpoops wanted to get off of Aruba so badly that they filed a lawsuit in California. It was the only way they could think of to get off of Aruba. Hell and the handbasket awaits them. Squeeze the truth out of them!

      You go!, Beth and Dave.

      Molly (in Houston)

    180. JusticeforNatalee on December 26th, 2006 1:01 pm

      Trips to Aruba given away on “Deal or No Deal.”

      Tell NBC how you feel:

      http://www.nbc.com/Footer/Contact_Us/

    181. vicki on December 26th, 2006 1:50 pm

      Justice, thanks, I posted that also on BFN after Debbie directed me where to post it under.Someone else beat me to it, I emailed them and if everyone will maybe they will take them off as prizes. Its sickening that anyone would try to pass that off like it was a wonderful gift. I wish I could have a chance to say HECK NO. That would be the best I could do for her on National TV.

    182. mayan_moons on December 26th, 2006 2:05 pm

      Thank You JFN, i just sent off my request that Deal or No Deal stop promoting a place who cares so little for the safety of the tourist and who disregards their own laws when a tourist is targeted by locals and is NEVER seen again.

    183. mayan_moons on December 26th, 2006 2:11 pm

      Yes vicki it is most sickening that a trip to a third world country where female tourists are targeted to be drugged, raped & murdered would be given as a prize.

      Don’t forget to remind them that even the editor of one of Aruba’s own newspapers declared on national tv the it is known by everyone on the island that the date rape drug is slipped into women’s drinks and the police don’t care.

    184. MIss-Underestimated on December 26th, 2006 3:32 pm

      I hope all the SM posters, along with Red, Tom, Klaas and Dana had a wonderful Christmas.

      My prayers are with the Twittys and Holloways to find peace in 2007 to find the truth as to what happened to Natalee and hopefully justice will be served.

      My thought about all these companies (shows) giving Aruba vacations, is that they are more than likely getting them for nothing or next to nothing, as it is all a money scheme for the shows and Aruba hoping to snag a couple of bucks in tourism.

      Does anyone know if Anita got a new camera for Christmas?

    185. vicki on December 26th, 2006 3:39 pm

      if she got a camera, miss u, she probably broke it taking pics of her “BOYS” with the big heads….

    186. Carpe Noctem on December 26th, 2006 4:19 pm

      LOL Vicki! #185

      —-

      JFN & Mayan

      I just blew in my email to voice MO
      of the free trips of death NBC is
      giving away on D or No D.

      re: # 180

      If it is a free trip to ARUBA – I say “NO DEAL!”

      ix nay on the free ippy tray to IERUBA LAY.

      ——–

      Hey,

      You know there is NO GREATER GIFT on this Earth
      than the gift READING. I just thought you might want
      to get a quick peek at the latest book about to
      debut on Oprah’s BOM Club! It’s a hum dinger, bro bro.

      http://tinyurl.com/y5pnwe
      -J4N

    187. mayan_moons on December 26th, 2006 5:24 pm

      lmao Carpe!~

      Im sure the monkeys can find even more reasons!

    188. Carpe Noctem on December 27th, 2006 12:46 am

      Arubay Video Foraging Hunt of
      the Day Highlights.

      Slate # VID 38

      around 1:10 – 1:20 min. time

      ….

      FEATURED SLIDE

      “A Face I See In The Rock Crevice”

      http://tinyurl.com/y8l9l8

      SLIDE SHOW -

      http://tinyurl.com/yfulve

      …….

      We’ll find her people! It may be try # 5,232…

      it might take until try # 25,577 …

      …it may be me, Mayan, Nychic, IndyDan, Arubaanse, Robert, Frank, Grande, Pearl, Miss-U, MD, Waterboy, Justice For Natalee, Mortella, World Journier, Molly, Roy, Klaas or Red… that blows in with that precise hammer strike needed that begins the “Domino Effect.” ( maybe it’ll be made by one of the many other equally dedicated & wonderful Monks! – or perhaps even someone from someplace else?)

      The thing I like most about
      Monkey Family — is we really don’t
      give a *sh* WHO finds her —
      just the fact that SHE IS FOUND
      and returned home to her family
      in some shape or form.

      *Family* now INCLUDES us, huh?

      AS we are now part of
      her extended family, right?

      …but one of these hammer swings

      will undoubtedly connect,

      and we’re gonna

      effing L-E-V-E-L ‘em where they stand.

      It’ll happen when all things in the Universe

      that need to be in perfect alignment

      in order to make things happen —

      will line right up,

      on time & “on point.”

      It’ll most likely be unexpectedly!

      …and their “glass houses” will

      begin imploding one by one…

      SEE – HOW – THEY – RUN.

      …and WHEN *WE* FIND THE GIRL…

      *THEY* ARE GOING TO SEE THAT SHIT!

      Keep up the great work all, keep swingin’ the hammers
      and goodnighttttt. Zzzzzzzzz

      -J4N
      http://tinyurl.com/yxct8z

    189. nychic on December 27th, 2006 2:52 am

      hey Carpe -

      thanks for the great pics !

      (and for including me in your list of who
      may crack the case)

      My bet has always been that Klaas will solve it
      sooner or later ! She and Some of the Forum Posters
      are on another level IMO !

      And Don’t Worry – I Will Never Abandon Ship !

      p.s.
      hahaha to johnm/kelmal/gretamal/johnnym/mac
      as da wench used to tell you: ESAD !!
      too bad you can’t respond !!
      I’ll bet it is just killing you !!

    190. Molly on December 27th, 2006 3:02 am

      Yay, Carpe. I am glad to be on the SM list. If enough people hammer on the rock, it’s bound to crack. “Justice”, coming to a theatre near you.

      Molly (in Houston)

    191. mayan_moons on December 27th, 2006 3:04 am

      Thank you Carpe for including me, you’re post is very touching. In life we have to pick our battles and we’ve chosen to carry Natalee’s torch for truth and to show other countrys this behaviour of drugging and ambushing our young women/girls brings the unrelenting wrath that is NOT going to go away. Look to Aruba as an example of what NOT to do IF you want Americans to vacation with you and spend American dollars.

      What these local sons & some of their fathers (having participated in the crimes against Natalee are evil in my eyes & they think we’re just going to forget about it AND let it happen again?? Thats just crazy boo!
      Well…..maybe they arn’t thinking that much anymore.

    192. vicki on December 27th, 2006 6:32 am

      Hey Carpe, It occured to me that maybe where those rocks are is like a dumping place for bodies once they have been killed. Like the ppl that kill them throw their remains in the rocks and time just takes over. Maybe thats why the police were tere. Doing a clean up of the area in case the media should happen upon there? Its just a thought but those ppl dont seem to care about human life. I was reading about all of the murders and violence on the Devils Island and its crazy. I mean for such a small place….its almost like the more we dig the more we find out. What a nightmare place.

    193. Jay on December 27th, 2006 10:17 am

      I saw this posted on visitaruba website. I thought how confused everyone was and could not get the help they needed from Aruba from the beginning. This post was from a desperate mother from Natalee;s high school trying to get help on May 31st, 2005. Here is the link below

      http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?t=2244

      Join Date: May 31st, 2005
      Posts: 75

      HELP – POLICE?! how to contact?!

      ——————————————————————————–

      I cannot find any web address info for police stations in Aruba. I am trying to get info on their current investigation on the DISAPPEARANCE (ABDUCTION? MURDER?) of a teenaged girl during our local high school’s trip to Aruba. How can I reach them?!

      The child’s mother has flown to Aruba to help look for her. Our only source for information is the travel agent, who is not receiving much info, either. None of us is getting direct info from the police. I have searched but cannot find any internet info on how to contact them directly.

      I was encouraged to read that just a week or so ago, the Aruba police did solve a kidnapping case, rescuing two sisters. I hope we have the same result. (It sounds as if they are moving swiftly on the case.) Meanwhile we are all losing our minds with grief and worry. It would help to get some official word.

      Our travel agent assured us as parents that our children would be safe in Aruba on this chaperoned trip. Yet now that this tragedy has occurred, I have since heard from others that this sort of thing happens all the time. Is this true?!

      I hope some of you can direct me to official sources. Meanwhile, we will appreciate your prayers for the safe return of this young girl.

    194. Jay on December 27th, 2006 10:34 am

      copied below from visitaruba website at
      http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?t=2244

      Wednesday, June 1st, 2005, 03:11 PM
      arbeej
      Member Join Date: May 31st, 2005
      Posts: 75

      Re: HELP – POLICE?! how to contact?!

      ——————————————————————————–

      Elaine,

      That is the part that is confusing to me, too. The newspaper report is different from what I heard from my daughter.

      My daughter ACTUALLY WITNESSED Natalee right outside the entrance to Carlos & Charlie’s at around 1:00 a.m. Monday morning. (The paper says she left at 1:30.) My daughter was leaving the bar with two friends, and they were right behind another group. She called to Natalee and asked if she wanted to walk with them (I forget now if my daughter was headed to the hotel or the bar across the street; I think the latter). Natalee cheerfully said no, she would catch up to the group right ahead and walk with them (implying she would be along in a few moments). My daughter had no idea she would not see Natalee again.

      This part my daughter didn’t see, but was told by her friends: That Natalie passed them on the road a short while later, and that she was a passenger in a taxi with another person. She clearly did not know she was in danger; she leaned out the window and shouted something like “Aruba!!! WOOHOO!” Still having a wonderful time.

      I have read and heard other versions since then — that she was actually seen getting in a car with three men; that she was alone with the guy in his car; that it was a grey car; that it has been impounded by the police. I don’t know which is the accurate account.

      The kids she passed assumed she was headed back to the hotel complex. No one thought there was any danger; obviously Natalee did not think so either.

      That’s the only bit I know was witnessed by my daughter or her other friends. But it is agreed that the guy misrepresented himself, and that she got in willingly. Also, I assume everyone in the bar had been drinking, but none of those who passed Natalee had the impression that Natalee was falling-down-drunk or anything like that. I mean to say, probably she had been drinking and wasn’t exercising good judgement, but she wasn’t bad off enough to cause concern, or someone with the group would have taken her back to the hotel. There were chaperones there, the kids were of legal drinking age, and no one realized there was any danger.

      I’ll post if I hear any more news, and now that the media is covering this, I’ll very much appreciate reading anything that you guys find out.

      Thanks, all!
      The above is copied from
      http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?t=2244

    195. vicki on December 27th, 2006 11:43 am

      Thank you Jay, it is just the saddest tragic thing in the world. Once you realize that these pigs have done it 20 times before, you realize the horror of it all. That night everyone must have thought she got in a cab and since they had all met jurine before they figured he would get her safely to the hotel…Thats what is so sickening. My heart goes out to Natalees friends that were there and watched her drive away never thinking they would not see her again. May the sick pigs that took her ROT IN HELL!

    196. mayan_moons on December 27th, 2006 1:37 pm

      Hey vicki!

      I’m with you on the Rocks area being a Dumping Ground for the criminals of Aruba. In some of the pics you can see the entire body and in a later Rocks video the heads have been removed from the bodies. You can see many different stages of decompositon with some bodies looking very fresh with skin intact and some heads with very little skin on them. This shows that the murder of Natalee was no drug OD or accident but that she was just the latest of many person’s that Jurine & the rest of the pimples chose to kill. Another thing seeing all these bodies in the rocks area show that no one was worried about those victims being found UNTIL they killed Natalee. Think about how small the island is yet dead bodies are strewn arround. Note all these bodies were not taken out to see & that makes me feel that neither was Natalee. I’ve said before that the crematorium is a good guess as to what the did with Natalee’s body BUT i don’t think thats what happened.

    197. mayan_moons on December 27th, 2006 1:41 pm

      oops correction *taken out to sea not see*

    198. mayan_moons on December 27th, 2006 2:04 pm

      As much as they didn’t give a $hit about those other poor souls they were VERY much afraid of Natalee’s body being found and wouldn’t risk an ocean currant bringing her back to shore where tourists could possibly on the beach or on a tourist parasailing could see a body in the water before it got to shore. To many chances to risk anyone coming apon her body as they would see she was beaten (heavy battery) by the savage elite of Aruba.

      They didn’t dispose of her body like that coz Paul & Jurine would be climbing the walls every minute of the day worried & wondering if today is the day that her body would be found, followed by a knock on their door.

      As much as some killer(s) want to distance themselves from the body of the one they murdered, their anxiety won’t let them do that. The only way to avoid that anxiety is to bury their victim in a place that they control, somewhere in sight of their home & sometimes their place of work.

    199. mayan_moons on December 27th, 2006 2:24 pm

      Remember when Jurine came home for the Christmas Holiday 2005? He and Paul took pics & posted them on the internet and one was of Paul & Jurine on the roof of their house with an arrogance & smugness that conveyed confidence & an F You attitude. The pic of Jurine sitting by the pool with his laptop & situated near an oddly placed rock garden they errected after Natalee’s disappearence is very telling. Their fear of having the house & grounds searched properly was Gone thanks to the Aruban Judges. That pic of Jurine near the rock garden & the one of he & Paul on the roof was their unspoken way of saying “here she is” and theres not a damn thing you can do about it.

    200. vicki on December 27th, 2006 3:14 pm

      oh mayan, its so dispecable to even think about, but I suppose it is true. I have been reading back to when Natalee first went missing and ppl that wee long time visitors to the Island was defending it… I wonder where they are now? I wonder after all these long MONTHS and all the lies and horror that has come out if they still feel that way or if they also are selling their timeshares…

    201. Meee on December 27th, 2006 3:14 pm

      JusticeforNatalee- e-mail was sent to them. Thanks for the link

    202. Carpe Noctem on December 27th, 2006 3:18 pm

      Great Moments In Juxtaposition!

      ——–

      A Tutti Fruity | A Big Joran Doodie

      http://tinyurl.com/y5wwwu

      -Justice
      4 Natalee

    203. mayan_moons on December 27th, 2006 3:48 pm

      LOL Carpe!

      Those are GREAT MOMENTS!

    204. mayan_moons on December 27th, 2006 5:07 pm

      Carpe!

      I’ve been taking some notes on the video’s & i want you to check out Video 1 starting at the 1 minute-15 second point for me Sir. The silver car is being drivin to the rocks area in the background but what caught my eye for the first time is what appears to be another body in the lower left of the screen. It comes into clearer view when the timer is at the 1 min – 21 seconds mark, when you see a torso with only leg visable move into the center of the screen directly under the words ARU-BAY.

      See it?~

    205. mayan_moons on December 27th, 2006 5:17 pm

      Actually its more than a torso & leg, there is a head.

    206. Carpe Noctem on December 27th, 2006 6:42 pm

      thanks, mayan… I will give it a look.

      More Aruban death to report today:
      Source: Diario

      another strange “ARUBA-CIDE!”

      http://tinyurl.com/yegqpz

      Boycott!!!!!!!

      -J4N

    207. mayan_moons on December 27th, 2006 8:33 pm

      wow another one?~ Anyone know their name orr anything?

    208. Carpe Noctem on December 27th, 2006 10:08 pm

      Arubacide:

      Name -

      Birgitte Katelaan

      Job: TeleAruba TV Producer

      36 yrs old

      “Hung herself” off of
      her apartment balcony.

      ——–
      break
      ——–
      Here’s

      A Natalee Computer Wallpaper!

      http://tinyurl.com/yj3mqt

      Just right-click and save it to your computer.

      Then open the pic on your PC – right-click
      and select *SET AS DESKTOP BACKGROUND*

      -J4N

    209. mayan_moons on December 27th, 2006 10:23 pm

      She was only 36 and a tv producer, on the previous thread dennisintn wondered if she worked with Peter deVries while he was there. Sure would like to know more about this woman. Hung herself? hmmm not many women commit suicide in that manner.

    210. mayan_moons on December 28th, 2006 12:36 am

      She is very pretty. Wonder what Peter’s thinking about this tragic news? Lets email him and ask if he had contact with her.

    211. mechie on December 28th, 2006 7:11 am

      hey everyone,

      I’ve watched this case on the news and since the Peter de Vries edition and know this is what i think of what has really happened to Natalee. The 3 didn’t take her to her hotel but to J’s home. She fell out of the car, so that part is true in a way. J did get out on her side and tried to pick her up. Than she threw up on his shoes.(later he threw them away or burried his shoes)they went to his apartment and she was really away and didn’t know were she was. She was drunk and so far away that she was almost sleeping. J. raped her then and who knows maybe one of the brothers too. Or she died during sex with j. or after, or by one of the brothers? She died of heartfailure, caused by the drank. Then J. rushes himself to his father and tells what happened. His father sends the 2 brothers home after a firm talk. He then takes N. away from the house and burries her? or dumps her somewhere. J. stays at home and doesn’t know what further happened with N. cause father doesn’t tell him. Then J. receives a message from one of the brothers if he did safely arrive home. J. says yes. After all this ofcourse begins the theaterplay. So some of the things they said are in a way true, but put into a different setting. They never went to the beach, but straight to the house. She fell out of the car but at his house and the message was about if she was worked away and not about if J. did return home from the beach. I pray for N. that the thruth does come out cause she deserves it.
      So to everyone, keep up the hope*

    212. Pcot on December 28th, 2006 10:34 am

      #211 That is a very good theory of that night! I have had a hard time trying to figure out how the phone calls were made so fast and what happened to his shoes. I think you are very close to what happened to poor Natalee This is a good good theory!

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