Jossy Mansur … The Return of the Jedi … “Tacopina and his Criminal Client, Joran Van der Sloot


The other night on Fox News, “The Line Up”, Joe Tacopina made some rather irrational and Jossymansur99unprofessional comments regarding Jossy Mansur and others. However, when one does not like or can do nothing against the message, they go after the messenger. Such is the case with Joe Tacopina. Joe Tacopina’s rant can be heard here. Jossy Mansur’s reaction and full editorial translation can be read below.

In today’s Diario editorial, Jossy Mansur fires back and calls the personal attack for what they were … petty, juvenile and idiotic. In the following comment Jossy Mansur makes a rather valid point.

But, I must bring to his attention that his terror tactics based on slander and defamation are not the adequate road an attorney must take to obtain his goal. For a person always threatening others with the courts for slander, he’s very loose with his expressions!

As Jossy Mansur states in his editorial Aruba … your image was not destroyed by Americans, it was damaged why those who live on Aruba who are foreigners as well.Aruba 3 suspects

Three persons damaged the name of Aruba internationally, and to top it all, all three of them happen to be all three happen to be foreigners. Not one of them is an Aruban! They threw a negative light on our with their uncontrolled action during one night in May.

Who are those three people that have caused irreparable damage to Aruba?

  • One of them is the criminal client of Tacopina! (Joran Van der Sloot)
  • And there are two of them who are even thinking of going to court in the U.S. for money! What do they want, a reward for what they did? A payment for having so badly damaged the name of Aruba? (Deepak & Satish Kalpoe)


I gave indications to the criminal defense lawyer in the U.S., Tacopina, that if he continues his campaign to offend, slander and defame, he is going to get the surprises of his life when the truth of his client’s participation in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway becomes known. And it is coming out at a much faster pace than I expected, thanks to DIARIO and lately De Vries, who’se popular program in Holland made revelations that had remained hidden and have now come out into the light. Tacopina at once wanted to belittle him with a string of lies about his program and, worse yet, about the man himself. A ‘street style’ that will not prosper!

I don’t know who Tacopina thinks that he is, nor why he supposes that his personal attacks and his attempts to belittle others in a futile attempt to save his client, are going to produce some positive effect. Two nights ago, in the popular Lineup program on Fox, he went so far as to say that I am becoming senile, among other uncalled for comments. Well, well, well. I hope that when Tacopina reaches my age (if God favors him with that), he will be as senile as I am, because my faculties are intact, and my disposition to do battle also! I am not going to debate the personality of that idiot because my level of education will not permit it. But, I must bring to his attention that his terror tactics based on slander and defamation are not the adequate road an attorney must take to obtain his goal. For a person always threatening others with the courts for slander, he’s very loose with his expressions!

If his goal is to save his criminal client by painting him as an angel, he’s wasting his time. What his client did with the girl is indescribable! And I am not referring here to murder because the evidence to prove that hasn’t surfaced yet, but I am referring to the moral crime he committed and admitted to during interrogations by the investigative team. And to reaffirm that in order to dispel all possible doubts, I have the categoric declaration of the lead investigator in the case.

That this revelation made Tacopina lose control is a fact that all who heard him on that program can testify to. He acted like a spoiled brat whose pacifier was yanked from his mouth. His voice was full of anger and despair, but with those emotional outbursts he is not going to change the reality of the case: his client, Joran van der Sloot, committed a moral crime against Natalee! This is categoric.

Now, my question to the people conducting this case is: how come Joran is in Holland, studying comfortably, while Natalee is no longer here? How come Joran has to “continue with his life”, when Natalee’s life came to such a premature and unjust end? How come the authorities did not produce the expected results in a case that is not difficult to solve in the sense that there is a moral crime admitted to? Why was it necessary for new revelations to come from Holland in order to make the case again as hot as an iron?

Three persons damaged the name of Aruba internationally, and to top it all, all three of them happen to be all three happen to be foreigners. Not one of them is an Aruban! They threw a negative light on our with their uncontrolled action during one night in May. One of them is the criminal client of Tacopina! No matter what Tacopina says, his client will not escape the long arm of the Law, because he himself admitted , and described in detail, his moral crime. I don’t understand why, in spite of this admission, Joran and his cronies are free to walk around as if they haven’t broken one single cup. And there are two of them who are even thinking of going to court in the U.S. for money! What do they want, a reward for what they did? A payment for having so badly damaged the name of Aruba?

Tacopina assured that the case will never come to court. Well, Tacopina must be as bad in practicing chiromancy as he is removed from the truth as a lawyer in this case. The case will and must be brought to Court to put an end to this sordid affair, so that we can begin to reinstate the good name of our island, and principally to give the Holloways some measure of peace after all they have suffered with the disappearance of their daughter who came to Aruba and disappeared while in the company of the three suspects.

The three of them own the answer that all of us who in good faith are lending a hand for justice to prevail, are searching for and will find, much to the frustration of Tacopina! Let him continue to live out his ‘delirium tremens’, while we continue to pursue the case and are going to prove how deeply involved his client is with what happened to the girl who had her whole life before her, and disappeared while in Aruba and in the company of the three foreign suspects. (Hat Tip: Diario)

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    118 Responses to “Jossy Mansur … The Return of the Jedi … “Tacopina and his Criminal Client, Joran Van der Sloot”

    1. ldstlou on December 5th, 2006 10:16 am

      Amen Jossy!!
      keep up the good work, you are a godsend!!

    2. IndyDan on December 5th, 2006 10:22 am

      Put that in your pipe and smoke Joey!

    3. Pearl on December 5th, 2006 10:26 am

      How did Natalee Holloway get taken away in a car by Deepak, Joran and Satish when several witnesses heard her say that her plan was to go back to her hotel WITH HER MOUNTAIN BROOK FRIENDS?

      HOW did Natalee end up being taken away in a car with three stranger who were then mis-represented to the press as being her “friend”?

      How did Natalee end up being taken away in a car by Joran, Deepak and Satish?

    4. Tazman on December 5th, 2006 10:40 am

      Right on Jossy!!!

      Joe T likes to use his drama queen theatrics. Instead of facts! Real facts!

    5. Tazman on December 5th, 2006 10:44 am

      Jossy you’re speaking up for Natalee and the people of Aruba. We have waited and waited for the voices of Aruba to speak up. Thank you Jossy.



    6. JUG TWITTY on December 5th, 2006 10:57 am


    7. Carpe Noctem on December 5th, 2006 10:58 am



      Joe Tacopina would
      not even qualify to
      be Jossy Mansur’s
      S H O E
      S H I N E

      …and brother, DAT IS DE TRUTH! — Joran Van der Slime

    8. leeb on December 5th, 2006 11:02 am

      Mansur is Lebaneese, expatriated through Venezuela, and before that Holland.

      Mansur is in fact a Dutch citizen. Which gave him the opportunity to fight the charges of complicity in money laundering which he lost.

      Mansur carries no weight at all in the courts of Aruba or Holland. His most recent court loss in manufacture of evidence against Aruban officials cost him 50000 florins.

      His “evidence” is on a tape no one has seen and he claims will not be shown except at a trial. The second case he just retracted without paying.

      There is no evidence of any rape or molstation – there is no evidence of “going in and out of consciousness”. Why would a “rapist – murderer” implicate themselves by telling the police he fingered and dry humped with the purported and to date unproven victim.

      Do any of you really think a judge in Curacao is using Jossy as a source of information. When Jossy is presently being investigated for tax evasion and his family again is being investigated for dabbling in the knock off US goods business.

      Do you really think any court anywhere is going to accept “evidence” based on unnamed sources, an illegally filmed interview with a cop, a cops illegally recorded unfounded conclusion, and a fanatical reporter (thats what the Ducth call De Vries today) with no paper or physical evidence to support an allegation. That is the sum total of De Vries – an allegation with no evidence.


      SM: Yup, once again if you don’t like the message … you attack the messenger. How typical.

      If you do not think there is evidence of an assault … you are not reading … or you do not want to read.


    9. mac on December 5th, 2006 11:03 am

      Jossy, Release the taped interview and prove you are telling the truth. That will shut up joey.

    10. JusticeforNatalee on December 5th, 2006 11:04 am

      The barking dogs made more sense than Joe!

    11. WebSurfer on December 5th, 2006 11:23 am

      Something tells me that Joltin’ Joe will wish he could eat the words senile and buffoon before this is all over!!!!!!

    12. Tazman on December 5th, 2006 11:29 am

      People that use their loud voices and insults are trying to intimidate and scare you. They are called “bullies”. We won’t be shut down Joe. We won’t be bullied. We will persist. We will get answers. We will get the truth. Just think what will happen when the people of Aruba (one by one) start speaking up!! Such empowerment!! Once this case is solved, the travel industry to Aruba will soar!! The people behind solving this case will be “heroes”!


    13. tuyvnsurvivor on December 5th, 2006 11:31 am

      I would like to see Jossy, for a matter of popular interest, begin an interesting fund, to make a case of greatest interest against Taco. Something for Joe to have to do when he is in front of a camera, taking up minutes with only seconds of anything to say…having brought nothing of fact to our group, taco studders, renders attitude, and leaves only mention of threats. Start the fund in a bank down there Jossy, I will contribute a few bucks. Put a drag brake on high profile American defense liars. I am an American patriot, we need the work.

    14. WebSurfer on December 5th, 2006 11:44 am

      Jossy Mansur was born and raised in Aruba until he was sent to a boarding school in the U.S.A. Upon graduation from that school he went on to a private college in Alabama, graduating in 1954.

      Where you people dream up all this cloak and dagger BS about Jossy Mansur beats the hello out of me!!!!!

    15. nurtured on December 5th, 2006 11:45 am

      How did Natalee end up being taken away in a car by Joran, Deepak and Satish?

      Joran and cousin in back seat, Pearl
      Deepak was a “cab driver”
      Satish wasn’t there.

      That’s why she trusted the “cabbie” and his occupants

    16. Mike on December 5th, 2006 11:50 am

      It always amazes me when someone comes on this board to defend the perps…lets use some common sense. They were the last three to be seen with her and when confronted with this fact they lied…folks that sounds like guilt to me.

      They never left Natalee on any beach….they weren’t even seen on the beach…no other guests seen them…no fishermen seen them..its quite simple they weren’t there.

    17. driving miss daisy on December 5th, 2006 11:53 am

      I was really frightened for Joe’s family. It sounded like the dogs were frightened of this man, that they have heard those screams and rants before. I was horrified that small children had to live in a house with him. Has anyone contemplated getting Department of Child Care and Custody involved to see if Joe’s children and wife are in danger. These dogs sounded as though they have heard this before and were fearing for the children and wife in the home.

    18. MIss-Underestimated on December 5th, 2006 12:00 pm

      I see a little hipocrisy in Leeb’s statement

      “A cops unfounded conclusion”

      Are you talking about Dompig stating Natalee od’d and killed herself?

    19. mac on December 5th, 2006 12:19 pm

      driving miss daisy: LOL. That is some funny stuff. I didn’t even know he had a wife. I bet her name is George.

    20. Carpe Noctem on December 5th, 2006 12:24 pm

      Listen to his attitude…
      Deepak Kalpoe is full of crap. He is a
      lying sack of -SH just like that 2 bit
      punk Joran!


      6/30/2005 ALE Stmnt – Deepak

      On your question whether or not I am persisting that the location where I just indicated at about/near the “Marriot Hotel” is the place where I dropped of Joran and Natalee, I can say the following. I am not sure about the route we drove to get there because it was dark. I think it is the way it happened. That it is the place where I dropped them off.

      On you question if anyone observed us arriving there, I can say the following. I did not see anyone there.

      On your question if I saw other cars there, I can say the following. I do not remember whether or not I saw any other cars there..

      On your question regarding what time I dropped off Joran and Natalee there, I can say the following. I am not answering this question because I have previously made a statement about that.

      On your question as to why I am unwilling to make a statement about this, I can say the following. I told you yesterday that I am being repeatedly asked the same questions and I am sick and tired of that.

      On your question as to why I am unwilling to make a statement on this question if I am claiming to tell the truth and I need not fear making the same statement twice, I can say the following. If you give a second statement it can never be precisely the same as the previous one and the district attorney can use this as proof of me not telling the truth so that I can be held in jail even longer. It is my right to not say anything and I cannot be forced to make a statement.

      D.S. KALPOE


      Jossy says Deepak and Satish are considering
      coming on US Soil to sue for money???

      Please, Deepak and Satish
      give us advance notice as to
      when and where you’ll

      I would like to plan to make myself available
      to watch both of your heads getting kicked in
      to concrete!

      ( I know Skyboxx – Decafe!!! ) ;)

      Most Americans feel you are two lying
      accomplices in a murder committed on
      a United States Citizen while in Aruba.

      18 Year old Natalee Ann Holloway
      drugged, raped,
      and murdered by
      Joran Van der Snot,
      with the assistance and possible
      participation of the two Kalpoes.

      Oh yeah, you coming to America
      to sue for money here, that should
      go over like a lead balloon!

      We’ll leave the light on for ya, snitches!

      -Justice 4 Natalee!

    21. IndyDan on December 5th, 2006 12:50 pm

      DMD – I took it that the dogs were laughing at Joe Blow.

    22. Roy on December 5th, 2006 12:50 pm

      #9…I hate to agree but yeah….go ahead, might shut me up for a while as well…minus any doctoring. Jossy says “those three” Many think those three plus many more. I’m one of those. Me thinks Dinesh may have lost his life because he knew this…may have even tried to transmit this msg to who he thought were the appropriate persons.
      Started thinking about the conversation between Beth and Deepak yesterday. I can’t remember the exact wording but went something like this.
      Deepak: They underestimated you.
      Beth: I’ve been saving it for you.
      With that and what I’ve come to believe, it was like, “Damn” They had profiled Beth.
      Then I thought, “was some kind of reference to Hitler attached to that profile to describe her…ie, tenacious
      …and then Karin Janssen (sp) has the gall to forward some kind of geniology request to the states to inquire if Beth was indeed related….Hell no, she’s not that stupid, she’s attempting to Blackmail iaw the cover-up… If she was indeed profiled, who would give Janssen a copy of that profile. Hey, as careless as Papiamiento (sp) has been translated into english, who’s to say….. but it cannot be denied that KJ didn’t make the request.
      So please Jossy, do release the info…prove your point. I’d love to be wrong. But from where I stand, a mouse trap designed for 3 ended up snaring a dozen plus. And before any smartass can claim, “you’re implying the family was part of a sting”…think for a second….For Beth to have been profiled, it would not have been with their knowledge, thus, why profile her?
      I respect that Jossy wants his info to be used in a trial against the three..But in thinking that so many more are involved, I get the impression that he himself is protecting the pimpsters as much as anyone… so he’ll never release his proof unless we go to court on his terms. In the mean time, rapists, murderers, and kidnappers walk free and a child is yet to be returned to her family. For Jossy, Paulus, Posner, KJ, Oduber, all of Aruba, where’s the moral dilemna, there shouldn’t be one at this point. It’s time a child is brought home. Figure out the rest later.

    23. bestbuddy on December 5th, 2006 1:00 pm

      I love it when defense attorneys slander the ethics of others.

      Joe has damaged himself and the image of his clients. It’s true there is no “proof” of anything except for the “retracted statements” of the suspects. Nonetheless, I would have been horrified if Tacopino displayed such unprofessional behavior on my behalf. The court of public opinion does matter in the eyes of the masses whether a client if found guilty or innocent.

      Joe blew it.

    24. Pearl on December 5th, 2006 1:05 pm

      Natalee’s plan was to go back to her hotel WITH HER MOUNTAIN BROOK FRIENDS.


      But here’s something for #8 ( how appropriate for you to be behind the “EIGHT” ball) to think about:

      HOW and WHY does a killer’s confession get retracted and falsified as “MISINFORMATION”?

      Why and HOW does a killers CONFESSION given during interrogations, become “retracted”?

      How does a CONFIRMED DEAD NATALEE’S BODY, get turned into: “she just kind of vanished”?

      How did JORAN lead police to the LOCATION of his confessed murderous conduct, if there was no location and no body to lead them to? HOW DID THE POLICE KNOW WHERE TO DRIVE AND TAKE HIM?

      What person “worries” that “something bad happened” if all they did was “leave a girl – ALIVE – on the beach”?

      For what reason would JORAN need to invent so many lies about taking Natalee back to the Holiday Inn hotel, if he left Natalee ALIVE?

      What other suspects got the “WIT” treatment during their FULL HOUSE “SEARCH”?



    25. JusticeforNatalee on December 5th, 2006 1:11 pm

      To All Aruban and Dutch Readers:

      Natalee did NOT run away. This is a rumor and LIE.

      Natalee was getting ready for college and had her calendar marked with upcoming events. She even bought two new dresses (for sorority rush) that are still hanging on her closet door.

      Natalee did NOT run away.

    26. JusticeforNatalee on December 5th, 2006 1:14 pm

      Minnesota Dad,

      Did you ever think of sending De Vries your thoughts about voiding the judgments concerning Paulus?

    27. Richard on December 5th, 2006 1:14 pm

      Nelson Oduber, are you reading?

      Are you prepared to take action to clear the name of Aruba?

    28. MIss-Underestimated on December 5th, 2006 1:31 pm




    29. Richard on December 5th, 2006 1:34 pm

      Not to be facetious, but it’s in the news today: about three dozen people eating at TacoBell fast-food outlets in New Jersey and Long Island have become ill; I believe that e-coli is either suspected or has been confirmed.

      How many people were made ill by Tacopino’s rantings?

      Something about “taco” that’s inimical to well-being, I guess.

    30. katysmom on December 5th, 2006 1:46 pm

      JoeT gets his ‘terror tactics’ from the slime ball crooks he represents (Goetti comes to mind first-hand)

    31. MIss-Underestimated on December 5th, 2006 1:48 pm

      Read from Mr. Tacopina own buddy

      Judge Dismisses Natalee Holloway Lawsuit

      By Jeralyn, Section Crime in the News
      Posted on Sat Aug 05, 2006 at 11:47:05 AM EST
      Tags: (all tags)

      Congrats to my pal Joe Tacopina who represents Joran van Der Sloot in the New York civil lawsuit filed against him by Natalee Holloways’ parents. The Judge, quite properly in my view, has dismissed the lawsuit, finding no reason for it to have been filed in New York.

      The lawsuit was dismissed by Judge Barbara Kapnick, who said it shouldn’t have been filed in Manhattan. She rejected an argument that if the case were filed in Aruba, it would prompt a media frenzy that could interfere with the investigation.

      Ding Ding Nothing about the basis of guilt…..Quit Lying

    32. JusticeforNatalee on December 5th, 2006 2:08 pm

      Who’s afraid of the Big Bad Joe?

      Not we monkeys.

      Not Jossy and De Vries.

      Joe just has a big mouth and nothing to say.

    33. nychic on December 5th, 2006 2:10 pm

      ***Attention Good People of Aruba***

      ***Make Jossy King of Aruba***

      If an injustice was done to you or your family
      Jossy would expose it on the front page of Diario !

      Jossy is all about what is right in the world !

      Jossy does not care if the criminals spew hatred
      and lies about him -

    34. Page on December 5th, 2006 2:35 pm

      Well said Jossy! I hope this case will be solved soon!!

    35. Sue on December 5th, 2006 2:40 pm

      GOOOOOOOOOOOOO JOSSY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    36. vicki on December 5th, 2006 2:57 pm

      Thats right Tacojoe, piss jossy off…he will get everybody againt URINE, who isnt even from aruba, keep opening that sewer you call a mouth…you will show your true colors.
      Are we positive that it was satish at C&C’s? Could it be it was Freddy???? makes sense to me…how about Urine almost biting off his tongue to keep quiet while in jail???Ugh!
      If you read Urines first statement he says that he gave his “yardglass”to an american that night! I wonder if we found that glass if we would find traces of ghb[sp] maybe Natalee spit her drink back in his glass when she said she wanted to have a chaser…maybe thats why she wasnt as knocked out as she should have been…just a thought…I may be reaching here….
      Jug, My prayers are with you and Beth, family and friends.

    37. dkpen on December 5th, 2006 2:58 pm

      #8 Why not use Jossy as a witness. They used a drug dealer, Boeti, Dompig’s brother in law, as a witness. I’m more inclined to trust Jossy than any drug dealer and a crooked cop.
      How do you know Jossy illegally taped Dompig? You have proof of that? As far as you know Jossy and/or his staff were conducting an authorized interview with Dompig on tape.
      DeVries has his own investigation. It’s why it’s called, Investigative reporting. He reported his findings. Like many of his other investigations he’s reported on and brought forward info and criminals to justice.
      Joe T. feels the heat or it’s getting a little to close to the truth. hmmm Lashing out with threats must mean his back may be in a corner. His unethical behavior won’t help his client either.

      #12 I somehow don’t believe, even after the case is solved, Aruba will never be the same for a very long time, if ever again. To much corruption on that little island has been brought to the public for anyone to feel safe.

      #14 Jossy is Labanese and lived in Venezuela prior moving to Aruba long time ago. Ask him yourself, he will tell you. He’s stated it via live news earlier on in the investigation when he first started reporting.

      #22 If some info is leaked it may not be able to be used in the court of law. Dutch laws are weird like that. And if Jossy keeping it for court hearings and it will help the case I prefer we never hear it until after the fact.

      GO JOSSY!!!

    38. Sahara on December 5th, 2006 3:05 pm

      bark..bark….bark ;)

    39. JusticeforNatalee on December 5th, 2006 3:05 pm




    40. JusticeforNatalee on December 5th, 2006 3:08 pm

      #31 Also, Miss U.,

      The judge did not prevent the case from being filed again.

      It can be FILED AGAIN–just in the proper venue.

    41. dkpen on December 5th, 2006 3:08 pm

      If I recall….

      Anita sat there in her home with Beth and Greta discribing what Joran had told her about Natalee’s private parts and her panties to a T. You tell me if a boy can see all this in the dark and recall every detail unless they stripped Natalee naked and raped her while unconscious and adorned her undergarments. Maybe even Anita saw them with her own two eyes.

    42. Richard on December 5th, 2006 3:15 pm

      I imagine that Joran van der Sloot and his cronies are fond of rock music (to me, that’s perverting the name of music, but never mind).

      Here are some verses from a song of greater majesty, one with which, I presume, the Pimps are not familiar. Yet.

      But when they get what they deserve, these words will be resonating in my mind:

      He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored;
      He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword:
      His truth is marching on.

      The “he” referred to herein is most assuredly not Tacopina.

    43. MIss-Underestimated on December 5th, 2006 3:23 pm

      1906 You doing ok?

    44. mac on December 5th, 2006 3:25 pm

      Boycott Aruba until they sink. Which is in another week.

    45. JusticeforNatalee on December 5th, 2006 3:27 pm

      #38 LOL
      In dogtalk it meant “objection, objection.”

    46. LilPuma on December 5th, 2006 3:37 pm

      #5 Tazman:

      Great point! Jossy has consistently been a voice for Natalee, Justice AND Aruba!

    47. MIss-Underestimated on December 5th, 2006 3:41 pm

      41. Didn’t she also say that they went thru her house and took her camera with pictures from her art class? Come to find out they did not search her house.

    48. mayan_moons on December 5th, 2006 3:51 pm

      Jossy: Americans did not damage Aruba’s image, these 3 did
      Jurine, Deepoc & Sasquatch

      ARUBA! Why do you let this go on?

      If i lived there this crap would not have gotton to this point. Either these punks would pay for their own crimes or they would be taken out permanetly!

      IMO if the mafia were involved they would’ve made these chumps do their time to end Aruba’s negative spotlight.

    49. mac on December 5th, 2006 4:14 pm

      mayan_moons: I say we take these punks out NOW. Why wait?

    50. WebSurfer on December 5th, 2006 4:41 pm

      # 37 – Unlike some people I check things out before I post them as a fact on some blog, or message board.

      “There are things that have come up during this investigation, dug up by the American Media, that tell me that the Aruba I knew ever since I was born and raised there, no longer exists. I hardly recognize the island that has taken its place. I grew up in a very peaceful atmosphere, where murders and savage beatings, and uncontrolled violence, or severe cruelty towards others, were parts of the movie screens of the only two theaters on the island. There were no crack houses then, no drugs, no gangs, no section of the island we couldn’t feel safe in, no intense political hatred for opponents…and if there were, they were so seldom we never heard about them.” Jossy Mansur

    51. Roy on December 5th, 2006 4:58 pm

      “Americans did not damage Aruba’s image, these three did!”
      –What Americans…Natalee’s family? the governors of Alabama, Arkansas, & Georgia?…a few pissed off bloggers?The FBI who basically said screw you, we’re gone.. The picture is becoming more clear and I see sweat and it’s not Paulus’s this time. As for what is Aruba supposed to do? Well, if any person would ever do any harm to these three before justice could be administered and the truth discerned in court…I would pray that those persons rot in hell because justice and truth was never anything that they were ever truly interested in…I wouldn’t even categorize it as revenge….just someone or groups of people who sought to hide the truth….Pls think thru your emotions. Later

    52. SULLY on December 5th, 2006 5:07 pm

      Oh yeah, violence is the answer.. YUP!

    53. ayfit on December 5th, 2006 5:20 pm

      Okay,the three quilty ones are foreigners,Is the entire Aruban justice syestem foreign as well.In my eyes the officials of Aruba are as quilty as the
      sloots and the poes,for their cover-up.K.J. won’t even talk to Beth.Go figure.So Jossy Don’t leave out Karen Jansen she reeps of corruption.Wonder if she speaks to Toco?

    54. Sandy Leiva on December 5th, 2006 5:28 pm

      Way to go Jossy!!!!
      Joe tacopenas screaming and throwing a fit only show his desperation. Joe just shut up we are tired of that nonsense. People are not as gullible and stupid as you think. Jvds and the Kalpos along with others what the animal did to Ymette SanGuienne. You prosescuted him vehemently, and yet JVDA and K2 are defended by you becasue his father the judge has called in favors. They are guilty we know it , you know it, they know it and so will the rest of the world. This will not end untill Justice comes forth for Natalee Holloway, the American public demands it, out of decency for all mankind, the perps must be punished and Natalee laid to rest finally. God Bless Natalees family may peace find them and justice for Natalee prevail

    55. dennisintn on December 5th, 2006 5:35 pm

      #8, the “film” was not illegal. if a third party had taped it unknown to the 2 participants, it might have been illegal. what jossy does in his own office with cameras or recorders are not illegal. if if he had done was illegal, every security camera on the island would be illegal.

    56. arubagirl on December 5th, 2006 5:39 pm

      #44: Crap, I was sooooooooo looking forward to my Christmas Dinner. Oh well.


      SM:   Hi AG.   #44 is a troll who’s posting days will be taken away again very soon, keeps coming back with new nicks.   In any event, it’s nice to see you posting and I hope you are doing well.   (klaasend)

    57. mayan_moons on December 5th, 2006 6:07 pm

      You talking to me Roy? Coz you arn’t making sense.
      Disern this. These 3 took Natalee out of that bar and she never came back. Aruba has not been the same since, it died with Natalee if Aruba misses the dollars Americans brought to you’re island. If you are okay without those dollars then you will procede as you are but save you’re diatribe coz i’m not buying.

    58. mayan_moons on December 5th, 2006 6:28 pm

      ….You talking to me Roy? Coz you arn’t making sense.
      Disern this. These 3 took Natalee out of that bar and she never came back. Aruba has not been the same since, it died with Natalee if Aruba misses the dollars Americans brought to you’re island. If you are okay without those dollars then you will procede as you are but save you’re diatribe coz i’m not buying.

    59. mayan_moons on December 5th, 2006 7:09 pm


      Sorry for the repeat guys.

      Is there a transcript of Jossy talking to Dana a couple of days ago?

    60. Waterboy on December 5th, 2006 7:12 pm

      I hope you do not mind but I think this is important enough to post again to save.
      The complete Aruba phone book.

      Comment by 10061906 | December 4, 2006, 1:42 pm

      To 1906,

      I’m sorry, but I don’t get it. Please help me out here.


    61. Skyboxx on December 5th, 2006 7:20 pm

      Would love for Jossy to release the tape and cause the wall of silence to spiral, but no that Jossy also has an agenda here.

      It’s not the first time, lest we forget that Jossy claimed to have the goods and then didn’t deliver.

      This case is frustrating to say the least, but lets hope and pray is nearly over for the Holloways and Twittys.

      Had this been in the US, we would have the three in inculpatory evidence, meaning they can’t claim there weren’t the last to be seen with Natalee. (along with the other mitagating circumstances)

      But alas, this is the land of make believe, or make it up as you go along….so frustrating.

      Someone hopefully will begin talking…..

      Justice for Natalee.

    62. jack obrien on December 5th, 2006 7:22 pm

      Whatever else you may think of Jossy, he was right on this story from the start. The timidity of the prosecution is a crime by itself.
      If Jossy has evidence , it should be brought forward, and offered in the case.
      Everyone wanted the three prosecuted including AHATA and ATA. They could not get Rudy and the AG to move.
      Blaming Aruba for what the three did / and what the prosection did not do , is wrongheaded…

    63. Skyboxx on December 5th, 2006 7:26 pm

      Would love for Jossy to release the tape and cause the wall of silence to spiral, but know that Jossy also has an agenda here.

      It’s not the first time, lest we forget that Jossy claimed to have the goods and then didn’t deliver.

      This case is frustrating to say the least, but lets hope and pray is nearly over for the Holloways and Twittys.

      Had this been in the US, we would have the three in inculpatory evidence, meaning they can’t claim there weren’t the last to be seen with Natalee. (along with the other mitagating circumstances)

      But alas, this is the land of make believe, or make it up as you go along….so frustrating.

      Someone hopefully will begin talking…..

      Justice for Natalee.

    64. Kat_Gram on December 5th, 2006 7:33 pm

      I am glad that Mr. Mansur is doing this – keeping it up in Diario.
      Mr. DeVries has found some ” irregularities ” that are coming to the attention of Holland.
      Natalee got in that car and has never been seen since.
      Let’s have some Justice for a Change of Pace. !
      Since when in any culture , any countrry is this legal, moral or ethical ? When criminal acts go unpunished because of corruption, influence or just plain old incompetence in any country : if I lived in that counrty, I would be VERY AFRAID.

    65. dkpen on December 5th, 2006 7:36 pm

      TWITTY: I was able to speak with a witness also that said that Joran Van Der Sloot — they were offering to give him a ride home at 11:00 PM on the 29th, but he didn`t need one because he had already called Deepak and Satish Kalpoe to pick him up. So that is something that — you know, we know that Paul Van Der Sloot did not pick him up at 11:00 PM on the 29th. We know now that that correct pick-up time was 4:00 AM on the 30th, and Paul Van Der Sloot stated that he picked them up.

      GEORGE “JUG” TWITTY, MISSING GIRL`S STEPFATHER: If — the story still (INAUDIBLE) is the night that I confronted the judge, so-called judge, and the son and Deepak, and they sit there and told me that, yes, here`s what we did. We took her to the Holiday Inn. Come with me. We`ll show you. We`ll talk to the guards. Of course, the guards never saw them. It`s not on the video. They said — for nine days before they arrested them, that was the story. And then all of a sudden, they changed the story. And so why did they do that? The whole world knows that.

    66. Skyboxx on December 5th, 2006 7:52 pm

      You tell ‘em Kat

    67. Skyboxx on December 5th, 2006 8:16 pm

      Remember the Shango posts??? Let’s relive a few shall we?

      Maybe we will get the wall of silence to fall after all

      Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:42 pm

      Arawaks(police) hold singing card from babylon (Mickey John-DirtyHand)

      There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas.

      Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because *hand holding it dirty too.* (dirtyhand)

      Many teepees fall. No Wampum.

      Cowboys eat Sacrifice. Arawaks eat sacrifice.

      Dirty hand stays hidden, but all are well-fed.

      Cowboys happy, but unrest in the halls of the palace
      Babylon owes the Arawaks!

    68. Skyboxx on December 5th, 2006 8:20 pm

      Yo Sporter, hear that? Tick, tock, tick, tock. Its’ just a matter of time now sporter…just a matter of time.

      My spidey senses say you can’t take it much longer, tick, tock, tick-tock. Whose gonna drop a dime on you? Deepak, the Satish boy? Maybe Mama Kalpoe through an intermediary to collect some reward money. Daddy can’t keep paying everyone forever…tick, tock, tick-tock. Joe T is an expensive lawyer.

      The Arawaks also not getting any overtime….tick tock, tick, tock

      Whose it gonna be sporter? Who drops a dime first?

    69. Frank on December 5th, 2006 8:30 pm

      The security guards were well fed and Dompig is the new von cromfoirt, his secrets leveraged into a “security” company.

      Sure, Gerold is being set up to buy his silence, I mean who would hire his “expertise” unless it was to pay a debt?

    70. mac on December 5th, 2006 9:07 pm

      skyboxx, Yes Joey T. is very expensive. How in the hell do they afford him?

    71. Maggie on December 5th, 2006 9:30 pm

      I have never liked JoeT long before this case. He used to come on news shows and trash Paula Jones, when she was suing Clinton for exposing himself to her in a place of business. He never had a good word to say about Paula Jones and said it was lies. However Clinton paid her almost a million dollars in the end and lost his law license for 2 years and had to pay a fine due to his lying in that case.

      Mark Geragos made a statement on a news program, to the effect he believed Scott Peterson was guilty, and then later went on to defend him and tried to blame everyone for Laci’s death except Scott. David Westerfield who kidnapped 7 year old Danielle Van Damme was ready to plea bargain, he was going to tell them where Danielle’s body was in exchange for a life sentence. However detectives found her body before the deal went through, so there was no deal with Westerfield. His lawyer went to court and defended him and tried to trash Danielle’s parents as if that caused what happened to Danielle, pointed the finger at Westerfield’s son and anyone else in the way. State spent all that money for a trial and Westerfield’s lawyer knew before it even started his client was making a deal to tell what he did with Danielle’s body and that his client was guilty. He didn’t care. Westerfield had money and could pay the big bucks to the lawyer. That was all that was important. The big bucks. Bill O’Reilly on Fox talked about that many times.

      I turn JoeT off when he comes on. When he started on this case, he tried to tell us Joran only lied 2 or 3 times. He’s going to come on tv and accuse someone of lying after making that statement?! He’s also stated Natalee was over the top drunk, contradicting Joran’s statement. He said Joran was logged on to his computer at 3:10, however Joran says he logged on at 3:30. David Koch said Joran phoned Deepak at 3:00 am and Joran was near the Marriot. He said this case was pro bono, but when on to say he’s taking donations. Why does he speak for Joran, he’s not his attorney in Aruba, Why does he speak for Carlo? JoeT isn’t even licensed to practice in Holland or Aruba. Everytime he comes on a news show he tells another big one or two.

      I do like JQK. He don’t seek the limelight or the tv screen all the time to foam at the mouth. I think JQK knows a lot more than he’s saying.

      What happened to all the witnesses who came forward in Natalee’s case? None were credible? except the drug witness? There hasn’t been one govt. or ale person stand up for Natalee. They want to trash Jossy and Devries, because like Natalee’s family, they have shown the truth about the ones in this case.

    72. Maggie on December 5th, 2006 9:32 pm
      July 12, 2005

      PAUL REYNOLDS, UNCLE OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: i know that my sister had a meeting with the FBI June 10, Friday. And from that meeting, she became convinced that Natalee was no longer alive. She called her mother and told her that. And our family was-was-began the grieving process.

      You know, we were told the report would come out the next day. Later that night, we saw the reports that confessions had been made, that something bad had happened. Shortly thereafter, it was retracted. The next morning, there was a report that said Natalee was confirmed dead. And these reports came from the deputy commissioner. They came from the spokesperson from the Ministry of Justice.

    73. Miss-Underestimated on December 5th, 2006 9:45 pm


      This was just not a 2 hour mistake, this CLERICAL ERROR as it was once called lasted for more than 24 hours, way too long to be a MISTAKE.

      What day did Dave Holloway see the cop on the beach slam his trunk shut?

      But again, I will add Mama Alpo said is all, oh they lie even the big people lie. Aruba the pig you have perfumed so long is now nothing but a rooted piece of rancid pork.

    74. OldF on December 5th, 2006 9:57 pm

      I’m just wondering if the “Good” people of Aruba will once again take to the streets and PROTEST the use of the word “CRIMINAL” when referring to an individual that HAS NOT been Tried and Convicted of “ANY” criminal acts.

      If they do… I do hope there is a sign-up list so SOMEONE can ask them WHY THEY HAVE NOT PROTESTED the LACK of chages or possible prosecution of KNOWN & DOUCMENTED criminal acts that were committed (minor acts… maybe.. but still criminal acts)

    75. Kat_Gram on December 5th, 2006 10:10 pm

      Hello to post Number # 6. Jug Twitty.
      Kudos to you for being a MAN.
      I recall seeing you on CNN saying that whatever happened to Natalee you wanted her home and you would fix it !
      Unconditional Love is what you were expressing for her and I felt touched when I saw that. Brought tears to my eyes.
      You take care Jug. Many people respect you.

    76. katblog on December 5th, 2006 10:54 pm

      This is the best editorial yet for Jossy. I agree that he is not showing the evidence so that it can be used in an Aruban court.

      Jossy has been the one source that keeps stirring the pot from Aruba. He helped the family while everyone else in Aruba threw dirt on them.

      The nay-sayers can defend tacopinia and joran, deepak and satish all they want. It doesn’t change the facts. These three thugs committed crimes against Natalee and should be prosecuted. Some day Paulus’ money is going to run out – then the truth will come forward.

      We have all the time in the world Aruba. Do you?

    77. Sue on December 5th, 2006 11:18 pm

      skyboxx, Yes Joey T. is very expensive. How in the hell do they afford him?

      Comment by mac | December 5, 2006, 9:07 pm

      Quote from ABOVE…
      Yup Joe is expensive and we wonder how they pay him
      Well I guess we know now in Jorans case
      It isnt WHO you know, BUT who you BLOW

    78. yoyo muffintop on December 5th, 2006 11:34 pm

      Ok Kat – What facts(plural) do you have of crimes(plural) that Satish commited against Natalee? Easy to throw it out there, but hard to back it up. Facts & crimes, not rumor and the tired “there’s evidence, I don’t know what it is but I am sure it disappeared or the 3 guys got rid of it” arguement. Give facts for the crimes that Satish perpetrated against Natalee.

    79. windy city on December 5th, 2006 11:53 pm


      It’s very simple,

      He lied in his witness statement about the security guards, thus obstructing justice.

      Think them Cards are gonna make the playoffs? Denny’s gotta be getting heat. But hey, The cards are who we thought they were, right! ;)

    80. kpg on December 6th, 2006 12:52 am

      Do people on the LCD realize Rizzo is dead?


      SM: Yes, Ernie Rizzo died.  It was corrected later in that thread.   The topic continued referring to Frank Rizzo (who is not dead). (klaasend)

    81. yoyo muffintop on December 6th, 2006 1:38 am

      windy city – you know what I’m talking about, and lying isn’t it.

      word is cards are going to buy out Deny’s contract and go after Pete Carroll. My USC roots run deep so I hope he stays. Fight On.

    82. Carpe Noctem on December 6th, 2006 6:05 am

      Some Opinion On How I Think


      Drugged, Raped, Murdered, and Destroyed


      They roll in an pick Natalee up 30 minutes to closing @ CARLOS & CHARLIE’S.

      She is drinking and having a good time. Very likely inebriated,yet she is talking, functioning normally, and dancing.

      We can see these things with our own eyes,
      we have pictures from that event.

      Joran does what he can to get her as wasted as possible
      in that 30 minutes of ‘takedown time.’ Plus,
      IMO he dropped
      GHB in her drink.

      This probably hit her like a ‘Brick Wall.’
      Natalee was ANYTHING but a druggie. You only need to research her lifestyle and
      school career to see
      these things.

      There are many reports Joran has
      done this to other females.

      In one of Satish Kalpoe’s ALE Statements he tells us
      that they go out with a new American girl every weekend!

      Thanks Satish! Of all the PIMPS,
      he is the one that is most honest.

      Not that HONESTY for a PIMP says much! So ef you, Satish.

      I took what Satish was saying to mean, they target a new American Tourist
      female to go out wih and rape every weekend.


      Joran Van der Rapist Interview –

      FOX with Greta Mule 3/2006

      “This has happened 20 or so times, and nothing bad has happened before.”


      They normally leave the girls to wake up
      the next day on the beach. They usually
      have no memory and no chance of getting

      TEAM: “PIMP”:

      the predatory rapist Aruban
      female tourist hit team,
      apparently based out of
      the Van der sloot house,

      Dennis Jacobs also tells us this, in so many words,
      and in between mammoth spoons full of a wondermous
      breakfast cereal, named ‘FROSTED FLAKES!’

      And the PIMPS probably keep a video library of their catches as TROPHIES,this is where our boy,
      Freddy Z comes in to play. He is your camera

      To find the repository of flicks…
      I bet we only need to look
      to the PIMP’S OLD WEBSITES that Paulus Van der sloot
      was caught cancelling.Every post every email,
      every pic, every movie on the web
      is recorded in to history just by the mere fact of
      entering the digital realm. There are a finite number
      of root servers, the Internet functions like any other
      vehicle. Every vehicle has a blue print, and
      there are certain people in this world who
      know the vehicle inside and out like
      nobody else.

      If you know the right
      people… FINDING THE OLD PIMP
      shouldn’t be too hard!

      Last time I checked there were 13 main rooot servers
      that form the ‘Backbone of the Internet.’ Probably
      more by now, my last check was 2 years ago.


      It should be backed up for all eternity on
      some root servers somewhere
      in this world, for sure.

      A digital forensic detective probably
      working at high levels o.g. could most
      help with something like that.

      “Natalee fell and hit her head” -Joran Van der Rapist

      Fuhrman tells us that they are most likely
      tossing in this detail as a guide to what the
      body looks like when finally discovered.

      I think he is smack on the money – right – on that one.

      She perhaps hits her head trying to escape being
      raped by all who are at the party. Perhaps the
      PIMPS around the pool area.

      The boys attempt to dispose of Natalee’s
      lifeless body “in a panico!!!”

      Which probably leads to the
      5-30-2005 2:30am spotting by
      the Mansur Gardener at the

      ‘RACQUET CLUB.’ Joran spends a lot
      of time in this area in normal
      daytime hours.

      When you are freaking the F out and not knowing

      what to do… you go to someplace familiar to formulate a plan.

      There was also some reports that
      Joran was spotted near the
      Marriott @ 3 am.

      She’s probably purple

      from no oxygen at this point, and with a headwound

      from falling trying to get

      away from the PIMPS. The attempt to get

      away must have been confusing for Nat,

      her legs were likely wobbliy due to the

      fact Joran probably drugged her,

      she never had a chance!

      That is no fair fight!




      MEDICAL HELP AT THIS POINT. but we’re not dealing

      with a human here. We are dealing with

      murdering, rapist, psychopathic BIFRONS.

      Joran Van der Rapist & the two accomplice Kalpoes,

      ….and probably Freddy Z. Paulus had a lawyer lined

      up for him out of the gate too.


      Turning her in to the hospital will get them

      arrested. According to Joran, that ain’t gonna happen!

      His father will do ANYTHING to keep that from happening.

      Even at the cost of sacrificing roughly 100,000 other


      The lives of the Aruban people! The people that Jossy so

      articulately points out, have nothing to do with

      the Van der Rapist or Klapoe families,

      they are in fact all foreigners!

      Van der Rapists are Dutch, the two Kalpoes reign from Suriname.

      Where is Freddy from?


      Don’t forget Freddy may be along for the ride.

      The Gardener could never
      firmly identify the individual
      in the back.

      All of them attempt to hide their faces as he drives by.

      So it may very well be Joran and/or Freddy
      that temporarily bury her
      near the fisherman huts!

      They do this and then call Paulus. IMO He
      is one of Aruba’s Best MURDER CONSULTANTS!!!!




      Joran calls his scuzzle load of a father to
      come and get him at McDonald’s at around
      4 in the AM, my friend.

      He knows that shallow grave
      by the Fisherman Huts will not last long…

      24 hours or so, and that
      is if they’re very lucky!

      From here, they go home to come
      up with a long term body disposal plan…

      –to be continued– ;-)

    83. Carpe Noctem on December 6th, 2006 6:43 am

      Dutch Teen’s Dad Arrested In Aruba
      Natalee Holloway’s Family Continued Search For Missing Alabama Student

      ORANJESTAD, Aruba, June 23, 2005
      Joran van der Sloot, left, has been in custody since June 9,2005. His father, Paul van der Sloot, was picked up by police on Thursday. (CBS/AP)


      While Anita van der Sloot had been allowed to visit her son occasionally in jail, authorities denied similar access to Paul van der Sloot, saying they believed contact between the two could damage the investigation.

      Carpe Quote:

      Why would Anita and Paulus need to have
      direct contact in jail, especially when they
      have Antonio Carlo? Antonio Carlo of course
      talking to Joran, Anita and Paulass…

      and a time or so, I hear even

      the security guards!!!




    84. Carpe Noctem on December 6th, 2006 6:58 am

      Hey, is it just me…
      or does Paulus always
      appear wickedly constipated?

      -Justice 4 Natalee

    85. Carpe Noctem on December 6th, 2006 7:27 am

      Joran lied, and that is de truth.

      …and they TORTURE






      When asked if Joran had changed his initial story, she replied, “Joran changed his story only one time. I think he was scared because he sneaked out of the house that evening. I think he was scared and wanted to cover other people, too. He changed his story once and added details.”

      She didn’t say who Joran might want to cover for.

      She also said Joran can’t remember many of the details that police have been asking him.

      She said she had spoken to her son several times in jail and that he was going through “mental torture.” She said Joran is often interrogated for more than 10 hours a day, and she also accused authorities of turning up the air conditioning to high levels to increase the pressure on him.

      “If there was anything he did wrong he would be broken by now,” she said.

      Croes, the attorney general spokeswoman, said the allegations of mistreatment were “not true.”

      “Everything is played by the rules. We interrogate people in only the ways that the law allows,” she told the AP.

      Croes said the law didn’t permit the interrogation techniques Anita van der Sloot claims were being used.


    86. SUPER DAVE on December 6th, 2006 8:08 am

      it seems like he would welcome the air conditioning to cool that enormous head down after turning so red after lying. i’ve never seen anyone’s head turn almost purple when telling a lie. that’s a dead giveaway that he is “not” telling the truth.seems to run in the family !

    87. Robert on December 6th, 2006 8:40 am

      @82 Carpe Noctem. I think your theory that the PIMPS have assulted much more American female tourists is both interesting as shocking. But… theorizing is one thing…. Is there… Or better… Do YOU have any prove of that? I think that if indeed this has happened, there should be much more girls that have strange experiences of waking up at the beach and not knowing how they got there… and more of these kinds of things?!

      In a courtcase you have to have evidence or strong whitness-statements…

    88. Achilles on December 6th, 2006 8:41 am

      Tick Tock the Sporters rope is getting Shorter.

    89. Robert on December 6th, 2006 9:03 am

      #82/87. What I would like to see is a forum/thread/post (f.i. at the ScaryMonkeysSite) that only summs up all the evidence there is. And if I say evidence I mean EVIDENCE with a capitol E. Evidence that is not easy to neutralize (or whatever the judicial word for that is) by the first lawyer that looks to it. So the TRUE and HARD facts put in a timeline and sepparated from the many (confusing) statements that especialy the suspects made.

      Maybe we and the many other interested people can indeed contribute to the conviction of the perpetrators (amongst whom Joran van der Sleeze and his “pimp’-friends).

    90. Robert on December 6th, 2006 9:06 am

      Like PrdVries said: If you try and try again to put of much FACTS together then the luck that brings the perpetrators down shows up by itselfs.

    91. Robert on December 6th, 2006 9:47 am

      Sorry for the grammatical mistakes (a.o.: 89: ScaryMonkeys = Scared Monkeys & 90: “to put of much FACTS together then” = “to put as much FACTS together as possible then”)

    92. MIss-Underestimated on December 6th, 2006 10:01 am


      Do you mean the evidence that was LOST?

    93. Robert on December 6th, 2006 10:21 am

      I mean we have to look at it in a constructive way and put as much evidence as possible that is still there, together. As well as evidence that hasn’t been dug up yet (f.i. the girls that Carpe Noctem mentioned in 82) but when surfaced can contribute to solving this case.

    94. MIss-Underestimated on December 6th, 2006 10:37 am


      That could be a good idea

    95. on December 6th, 2006 10:52 am

      Yo-Yo: The perps themselves admitted that they did things to Natalee. If Satish was along for the ride, he’s along for any crimes they committed also. He also lied to the police about the Holiday Inn story and has continued to lie about where they went that night.

    96. Richard on December 6th, 2006 1:08 pm

      Carpe Noctem (83) … I too think that what the Pimps had on the Website was of great significance. Do you have any ideas on who could be contacted about this … where it might be stored? If so, please advise!

    97. ayfit on December 6th, 2006 4:37 pm

      Aruba,America holds you accountable.Don’t you think you should bring the guilty to justice? Good people of Aruba,come foward,let your voice be heard.SOMEONE KNOWS!!! You won’t survive without American dollars.Speaking of wich,many are floating around with NO ARUBA symbles stamped on them.Good people of aruba,have you no concious,consider the suffering family of Natalee,come foward now!!!!
      God Bless Beth and her family.

    98. dennisintn on December 6th, 2006 4:46 pm

      #87, jvds told greta that he and his friends had done this 20 or more times and nothing ever happened before. of course we know how jvds lies every time he opens his mouth so i don’t guess we can count that as evidence. jacobs told dave that young girls miss their planes all the time cause they fall in love and stay past their leaving time, and if he’d check out the crack houses or go have a beer at c&c’s she’d probably be there. of course, there’s another aruban official talking, so what’s that worth?

    99. Kat_Gram on December 6th, 2006 8:52 pm

      Selected quotes from the innocent.
      Police car tapes from June 29, 2005

      ” Joran: We will see. Hey, you know when I will laugh, if I’ve given you a slap in the face. I’ll laugh when they find the girl alive, fxxx you.

      Joran: That’s your problem. If they find that girl, then they will see that shit.

      Deepak: They’re going to give you fifteen years if they find the girl.

      Joran: I should have killed you, retard. Shut your trap.”
      If the girl named Natalee Holloway simply passed out, then what is “they will see that shit ”

      What shit laughing boy ?

    100. Skyboxx on December 6th, 2006 9:34 pm

      Lies, more lies and mostly lies will get you every time

      Tick, tock, tick, Tock, time is running out for the sporter

      Hey Joey T, not to late to change that Web-page, remove your client, after all you don’t want bad press do ya’ Joey?

      Tick tock, whose talk first, Deepak, Satish? God Bless Natalee Holloway. She fought back and her spirit lives on and there will be JUSTICE for Natalee. Its just time, tick, tock

    101. Skyboxx on December 6th, 2006 9:37 pm

      From last year…..and one more thing Anita, ITS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT NATALEE

      “….Joran, 17, and friends Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18, told police initially that they dropped off Natalee Holloway at the Holiday Inn where she was staying.

      His mother insisted her husband had done nothing wrong and said Aruban authorities had arrested him because they were under pressure from the U.S. government and the news media to produce results.

      “My husband is a man of integrity who has been working in the justice system 15 years and was taken without evidence,” Anita van der Sloot said. “How can this happen? This is not about Natalee anymore. It’s about enormous pressure from the [United] States and the media.”

      ANITA, ANITA, ANITA, poor dear, don’t you see? Its always been about Natalee.

      Justice for Natalee

    102. whytegirl on December 6th, 2006 9:53 pm

      YEEHAW FOR JOSSY!!!! AAAhhh if only Jack Bauer was real!!!! ;-) Hi Monkeys!!! Saw the rant on TV and my ear started buzzing and I thought, “Ooooh he sure is pissin’ some Monkeys off!” HUGS!

      Natalee needs to be found ASAP!!! Another search PLEASE!!

    103. Mortella on December 6th, 2006 10:08 pm

      Just taking Joran’s own word for it that they have done this twenty times before. Now why would he lie about a thing like that?? Nothing bad ever happened before he claims, at least from his perspective and of course with the use of date rape drugs, the victim has little to no memory of the crime. Perfect, isn’t it?

      Dennis, Jacobs also cautioned Dave Holloway to watch his drink and told him they put drugs in the drinks at C&C rubbing in to Dave what happened to his child.

      Nice guy, that Jacobs. Why does he allow this to happen? Did he really think Dave H was in danger of being drugged at C&C? I don’t think so. It was his arrogant way of rubbing in what they did to Natalee.

      This is verified in the book Dave Holloway wrote, too, just in case you are wondering.

    104. Mortella on December 6th, 2006 10:13 pm

      There is a time line and many other inter sting documents that all may view in the Forum under Natalee Holloway section and Important Case Documents.

      There is even a murder and crime count in Aruba for they lie about that as well.

      Some might be surprised at the amount of work that has already gone into this investigation and also to learn that we actually have bothered to check and do know what we are talking about.

      Please see those important case documents and other items of interest in the forum. You do not have to register to read ANYTHING there, ever.

    105. Carpe Noctem on December 6th, 2006 11:14 pm

      Hi Robert,

      Let me start off by saying that I read all of your
      posts and respect your viewpoints. You seem like
      a fair guy, and represent NL well.

      The multiple American girls was not a theory
      of mine. Those are taken word for word out
      of suspect Satish Kalpoes mouth. It is directly
      from an ALE Suspect Statement.

      I understand what you mean about the hard evidence.

      I agree with you that hard evidence is needed.

      Much of it
      has been turned in to the ALE. They claimed to have
      shipped a lot of it to The Hague.

      One most notorious
      piece of evidence, a belt, that looked like one Joran
      possessed at one time was found at the California Lighthouse.

      It was turned in by a retired US SS AGENT, Mr. Art Wood!

      Unfortunately, between Aruba and NL apparently they fly
      through the Bermuda Triangle. Unfortunately, much of the
      hard evidence in this case as been very conveniently
      made to disappear.

      I wish they would consolidate the Mafia & the A.L.E. of
      Aruba and run them out of the opposite ends of the same

      This way they could consolidate and save
      on operating expenses & uniforms!

      It is very transparent to those of us who have
      watched the Holloway Case from start to finish,

      that the two entities are operating in tandem.

      In my view, the A.L.E. and Aruban-Dutch Mafia may
      be one and the same.


    106. Carpe Noctem on December 6th, 2006 11:27 pm

      Hi Kat Gram,

      Isn’t interesting

      that the two mentions of killing

      and brutality come from THE SPORTER’S



      Joran knows a little something

      about brutality, so I hear.


      Ah well…

      Another killing,

      another dog to hunt?

      Van der sloot family new motto???


      I am ashamed to admit they make

      me feel so ill and dark inside,

      at a time of the year when we should

      be so happy and full of light & forgiveness!


    107. Richard on December 7th, 2006 6:24 am

      Mortella, in which forum are those documents listed? I’d like to take a look at some. Thanks for the info!

      Also, you mention J van der Scum’s comment about “We’ve done this 20 times before, and no problem.” The imbecilic interviewer didn’t stop to ask: “You’ve done exactly WHAT 20 times before?”

      If van der Scum is indeed psychotic, or a natural liar, this statement might reflect this. His first instinct could be to justify himself or to invent something.

      And, of course, this might also reflect the male teen’s propensity to ‘brag’ about his success with girls. It could also show his psychological need to elevate himself in the eyes of others (such as the “Pimps.”).

      But it reminds me of something my aunt told me the other day about some kind of Christmas gift she got last year, mustards or something. “We got thousands of them … he sent us at least ten.”

      In other words, this statement might be just pulling a round figure out of the air to illustrate the point he was trying to make. It might be totally disconnected from reality … just as I think JvdScum is sometime, if not much or most of the time.

    108. Carpe Noctem on December 7th, 2006 8:55 am

      4 Richard & Robert and anyone
      else who wants a look see
      at Holloway Case important


    109. viet vet on December 7th, 2006 9:29 am

      I wonder how many documents have been destroyed.

    110. on December 7th, 2006 10:52 am

      viet vet: worry not. While I am absolutely sure documents and evidence was destroyed, I’m just as certain that someone kept some blackmail around for future use. Eventually it will show up.

      I don’t believe for a minute that Deepak and Satish are even considering coming to the USA to sue. Rather, I think they are merely negotiating the price for telling their story. What they aren’t getting is how powerful a force they have against them and the whole thing can at any minute blow up in their faces with them becoming the main and only perps. Of all the people that need to be worried in this case, Deepak and Satish have the most to worry about.

    111. viet vet on December 7th, 2006 7:46 pm

      #110, Katablog, I totally agree. The Kalpoe brothers are expendable. I do think someone of Sgt. rank or lower kept some of the evidence and will eventually talk. Probably someone who was disgusted with the coverup. In time we will find out. If I were Deepak and Satish, I would have to talk with someone in the news field, maybe two groups. One from Holland and one from the U.S. A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. Someone might have them disappear.

    112. mayan_moons on December 8th, 2006 3:33 am

      I concur that evidence that was supposed to be destroyed was kept & hidden by someone to use as leverage down the road.

    113. Conni on December 11th, 2006 12:20 pm

      Any possibility Joran led police to where he knew body to be, not knowing Daddy van der scum had moved it?

      I believe Daddy warned Joran that they would be taped in the back of the car. Transcripts kinda lend to maybe kalpo boys didn’t know. Who knows what crimes bring 15 years in Aruba?

      Also, could someone spell it out for me? What cover up is everyone referring to? Who covering up what? Paul covering his kid, then his cronies in justice system helping him??? Sorry, I’m confused.

    114. withbethandjugg on December 11th, 2006 9:14 pm

      Sing it Jossy – Bring them little terds down – Those boys DID IT !

    115. Diane on December 11th, 2006 9:15 pm

      Joran’s new book — “If I Killed Natalee, Here is what happenned.”

    116. withbethandjugg on December 11th, 2006 9:15 pm

      Paul Van der Sloot had his cronies in the Govt. in Aruba help cover up Natalee’s murder those 3 boys..
      The search of the house wasnt conducted , only jorans part of the house…

    117. withbethandjugg on December 11th, 2006 9:18 pm

      hey wait a second here – arubagirl – your on as Reininarubia..
      I still see you have your old name here pretending to be in Aruba while your in Georgia.

    118. Ronnie on December 13th, 2006 8:04 pm

      I would like to buy Joran a plane ticket and weeks stay in Alabama.His story was as screwed up as a soup sandwich and the Aruban Government has helped him and his father cover up there tracks.Tell the truth Vander Sloots.They have not even shown concern because they know what they did.Would like to see a remake of Walking Tall with the Vander Sloots on the receiving end.Beth and Dave have shown more restraint than I could because I know (silence)

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