Aruba Marriott For Sale … Aruba is an ideal market for investment, really? … ideal weather

 

The Aruba Marriott has sold. The ownership entity holding the leasehold interest in the 413-Arubaflood111706room Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino sold for $237 million to the Caribbean Real Estate Opportunity Fund.

“Aruba is an ideal market for investment given its unique attributes which include great airlift, ideal weather, a stable political climate and labor pool, high barriers to entry and strong asset performance,” commented Mark J. Gordon. (Yahoo)

Attributes … really? Based on the recently reported 66.6% occupancy rates of hotels in Aruba the new owners can expect 287 of those rooms filled. Some of the ideal weather was reported in todays Amigoe, as “streets and houses flooded due to heavy rain fall.” 

Continuous rain caused a lot of inconvenience.  Cars were snarled up in the streets that were hardly visible due to the big amount of water.  Houses were also flooded and several neighbourhoods were without power.  The airport was closed for a short period of time this morning and again for approximately two hours this afternoon. 126 Millimeter rain was measured at the airport in the past 24 hours.

Let’s look at that stable political climate they are discussing. Tourism is the number one money maker for the Aruban economy. Aruba vs. the rest of the Caribbean is severely down. Its hard to imagine that an unstable tourism problem trending downward could create any type of stability for a Caribbean island dependent upon that tourism for its economy. Stability?

Did we forget to say that the inflation rate is up to 4.1%?

Posted November 17, 2006 by
Aruba, Economy, Politics, Travel | 79 comments


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  • Comments

    79 Responses to “Aruba Marriott For Sale … Aruba is an ideal market for investment, really? … ideal weather”

    1. John Staton on November 17th, 2006 11:38 am

      Does anyone know how this relates to construction costs? Probably a loss sale!

    2. dennisintn on November 17th, 2006 12:27 pm

      fire sale? the sellers are laughing their butts off all the way to the bank.
      dennisintn

    3. kw on November 17th, 2006 1:05 pm

      hhmmm… I’m seeing revenge unfolding by Acts of God.

    4. JusticeforNatalee on November 17th, 2006 1:08 pm

      Aruba is so yesterday.

      But our fight for Natalee continues today.

    5. Caroline on November 17th, 2006 1:25 pm

      Money laundering is so much of the Aruban economy (do you really think an island this small has a need for SO many banks?) So called “legitimate businesses” need to FRONT the laundering operation. Therefore, profits are of no concern.

    6. Para2legal on November 17th, 2006 1:31 pm

      Marriott got out while the “gettin’ waz still good”. Anyone know anything albout the new owners? How about an update on the proposed Ritz site – did they break ground or back out?

    7. Richard on November 17th, 2006 1:35 pm

      Hey, the drug lords have to launder their money somehow … wouldn’t it be convenient for them to have their own hotel as a base of operations.

    8. Caroline on November 17th, 2006 1:39 pm

      If you look on the Ritz Carlton web site regarding future resort developments through 2009, there is no mention of Aruba. Right from the beginning, I thought it was very odd that Ritz Carlton was even considering Aruba, they normally target upscale locations.

    9. espionage on November 17th, 2006 1:46 pm

      Came a vagabond from the flat of the Hasinai
      Across the ocean to the isle of the Igneri

      His purpose untold
      His manner too bold

      The seer misguided and betrayed
      By his confidant and islander aide

      Quesitio now contaminated
      By words that have emanated

      From the hands of the vagabond
      Came the words of the prophetic pawn

      Locus now grows cold with publicity
      A vision? A Dream? Or, merely a fantasy?

    10. vicki on November 17th, 2006 1:55 pm

      Well, God doesnt like ugly LIERUBA… the end is near for you all. Very sad but a little girl went missing and felt the need to do nothing. Well what goes around comes around. All innocent ppl need to leave asap. The sellers are laughing all the way off the Island, yu are so right Dennis.

    11. Frank on November 17th, 2006 1:58 pm

      You need clean money to wash dirty money.

    12. Sharon Chicago on November 17th, 2006 1:59 pm

      Any new updates on John Q Kelly? Wondering what is going on behind the scenes….no one is talking?…No Dutch investigation updates?…. Sure hope we get an update soon… Thx SM for being there :o )

    13. JusticeforNatalee on November 17th, 2006 2:00 pm

      Came a truthseeker from the Isle of Yore
      Hark the angel lives no more

      Espionage, I made up the above verse on the fly.
      It’s easy.
      So, if you have real info, why don’t you contact the family?

    14. dennisintn on November 17th, 2006 2:40 pm

      #l2, sharon, jqk told greta, night before last, that they’re working on something, and to “stay tuned”.

      we haven’t even heard anything from the curacao prosecutor who came to aruba last fall, after j2k was released, and was going to fine tooth comb the investigation and be finished with a report in january of this year.

      that should give you an idea of when the cold case squad will be finished. i can understand why professionals studying the case would get dizzy a lot trying to figure out how a.l.e. and judiciary had screwed up so badly, so many times. imo, the dutch will just have to assume they purposely screwed up everything from interrogations and written reports to physical evidence they might have found in order to protect j2k and others from prosecution.
      dennisintn

    15. joe bear on November 17th, 2006 3:01 pm

      acts of God.7 Plauges,defintely.J4N

    16. MIss-Underestimated on November 17th, 2006 3:10 pm

      JQK was on Greta talking about OJ and Greta asked about Natalee. He say stay tuned. Must be something going on.

      Hey Aruba, what happen, sell your soul to the devo?

    17. dennisintn on November 17th, 2006 3:13 pm

      with all that water stirring up the sand and rocks, maybe some tourist will find natalee this week-end. a terrible thought, i know, but natalee’s family needs the relief from this terrible tragedy, and aruba sure isn’t going out of it’s collective way to find her.

    18. John Staton on November 17th, 2006 3:21 pm

      As I had previously predicted, the Ritz pulled out of the deal some time ago. Was there not a planned expansion of the Marriot? Obviously that is long gone. As I previously asked, does anyone out there have a good estimate for the replacement cost of the now formerly Marriott facility? I bet it is a lot higher than what was paid.

    19. espionage on November 17th, 2006 3:30 pm

      De familie weet meer dan u of I het.
      Lees mijn commentaren, of niet

    20. MIss-Underestimated on November 17th, 2006 3:37 pm

      http://www.aru-bay.com/images/

      If you scroll down, you see Natalees movie….but you cannot access, can anyone tell us?

    21. Pearl on November 17th, 2006 3:42 pm

      And speaking of all important issues….

      Today, the Hague ruled that Muslim women could not wear their burkah, becuase it is seen as a potential threat to Netherland’s security. The Netherlands notes what a tolerant nation it is and how the burkah can conceal who is underneath it.

      Indeed, it would seem that the Netherlands is a very tolerant nation as twenty months have now gone by with what appears to be a very high degree of tolerance for the drugging, kidnapping, gang rape and murder of Natalee Holloway, an American citizen believed to have been slaughtered in Aruba.

      Never mind the fact that the killers of Natalee Holloway continue to roam about freely, twenty months after they drugged, kidnapped, gang raped and murdered her, only then to proceed with desecrating her body.

      Rumors have surfaced from an unconfirmed and missing report that it is believed that an extradition squad has been summoned to bring a man only identified as Paulus back to the Netherlands. Rumors suggest that he is wanted for more questions still being developed by Karen Janssen’s prosecution team. Unconfirmed and missing sources state that Janssen is using the same questions she developed for two brothers whom she never quite got around to questioning, before they fled Aruba, while she has been vigorously developing questions to ask them for the past year and a half.

      Apparently an unconfirmed, and missing source has revealed that it is feared that the man named Paulus may attempt to flee the Netherlands wearing a burkah to conceal his identity and avoid extradition to the island of Aruba where Natalee was murdered.

      A misinformation campaign manager has unofficially stated that apparently he’s run out of bushes to hide under.

    22. Crioyo on November 17th, 2006 4:04 pm

      if america and other western nations start cutting back on green house gas emissions aruba’s weather might get back to the way it used to be. worst case scenario they’ll change promotion tactics and just say, come and visit our tropical island nation. With stunning wildlife and picturesque scenery it’s the jewel of the caribbean. or not?

      p.s. pearl. Minister Verdonk has received permission from parliament to work on a ”law-proposition” and i’m not sure what the odds of it being passed are going to be after parliamentary elections on the 22nd.

    23. Sharon Chicago on November 17th, 2006 4:33 pm

      dennisintn: Thanks for the update I appreciate it…boy I am not violent person…but things that make you wanna “just slap someone”…ha ha this is unbelievable….

      I am believing that in the end the truth will be brought to the light and the murderers put behind bars. It will happen! People will talk…things will be revealed…It is only a matter of time….

    24. WebSurfer on November 17th, 2006 4:40 pm

      Is #19 talking to #13?

      Or, is #19′s entry another part of the allegory?

      I might have gotten lost.

    25. Carpe Noctem on November 17th, 2006 4:56 pm

      The ARUBAN weather forecast:

      ……….

      Cloudy to mostly murderous, with a 90 percent chance of gangrape.

      ………..

      Kick ‘em when they’re up…

      Kick ‘em when the’re down…

      Kick ‘em when they’re stiff…

      Kick THEM ALL AROUND!

      —————–

      Grab the lousy SOB’s that hurt Natalee!

      Non-negotiable. Tag or bag these VAN DER RAPE
      KALPOE lying scum bags.

      End of story.

      —————–

      The best commercial ARUBA ever had was the Holloway case!

      After the world got to see how you treat your
      guests at the worst possible moment in their lives…

      I couldn’t someone could GIVE AWAY a trip to Aruba right now!!!!

      DEAD SERIOUS – AT THIS JUNCTURE:

      I’d have trouble bribing a respectable dog just to make
      a cockadootie on it. (Kathie Bates)

      ——-

      JUSTICE 4 NATALEE HOLLOWAY!

    26. Carpe Noctem on November 17th, 2006 5:06 pm

      In case someone didn’t take the opportunity
      to tell you today ARUBA…

      U SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      It’s been 536 days since your let the JORAN VAN DER RAPE
      AND DEEPAK AND SATISH KALPOE kidnap, rape, and murder
      Natalee in cold blood. Here is your counter link.
      http://tinyurl.com/y5dqm5

      Don’t think we’ve forgotten
      about it for one minute either.

      Paybacks are a MOTHER. -J4N-

    27. chris on November 17th, 2006 5:26 pm

      There is not much traffic on the OJ story so I’m letting you know here to got to http://www.dontpayoj.com to sign petition. This is something we all need to do. It only takes a second….chris

    28. Dan in Tx on November 17th, 2006 5:56 pm

      And of course it wasn’t a U.S. or European company that bought it- a Caribbean firm bought it. I wonder if this is the first rat jumping off the sinking ship?

      Too bad the Aruban people are sitting by and taking this loss instead of dragging El Generalissimo Oduber off his throne!

    29. Mortella on November 17th, 2006 6:16 pm

      Hey, Dan,
      It’s reported on another board of questionable intent that this is an American company buying it but I would have to say what is an American company? Is it one owned by U.S. citizens or one located on paper in the U.S.?

      The very name alone says Caribbean int erst to me and that’s good enough to qualify as non-American. All those resorts going to Aruba and developing the beaches that never even existed before and all the money poured in seems to have spoiled Aruba just a bit as they feel free now to bite the hand that developed them and has sustained them all these long years.

      Very foolish, don’t you think? I really believe the Arubans in charge thought they were invincible! Or that greed to make money would keep the investors. Whatever they thought, they are being proven wrong more all the time.

      And as though the insult of refusing to investigate in a credible manner Natalee’s disappearance, they have heaped every conceivable insult on her family and her country in general. I’m just tired of it and never want to be around people like this again. How about you? I wouldn’t go if they paid me to and likely never will ever again. It’s just not that great, very 1980′s looking still.

      And you’d think the man on the street would care enough about his island and it’s economy to do something about all this. Apparently not. Oh, that’s right! I keep forgetting! Tourism is UP not down and they are rolling in money there! Just ask Derek who posts here sometimes.

      Well, glad to hear it as they become the ugly evil twin of an island. Aruba’s very name has come to mean cover up and refusal to investigate. Arubaed may become a new word, meaning make disappear and refuse to investigate.

      This needs to become an example for all to see of what happens when our citizens are abused in foreign countries. True, we can’t control their legal system or what they do. But we surely can our own actions and can demonstrate our choice of good over evil, light over darkness in our selection of where we spend time and money. We don’t support this kind of treatment of any human being, ever, any where on earth.

    30. John on November 17th, 2006 6:22 pm

      You guys are huge hypocrytes, every other article on this website goes unnoticed, no comments whatsoever. But as soon as there’s an article you guys are ready to jump the gun on Aruba asking for Arubians ta stand up, what a bunch of hypocrytes.

      ________

      SM: Would you like some cheese to go with that “whine”? Sorry we don’t post about the ridiculous awards that tourists are given at the hotels as Aruba begs them to come back.

      I thought the timing of the two stories was the catch. Obviously you missed that part.

      R

    31. WebSurfer on November 17th, 2006 7:37 pm

      Ever hear of Public Relations #30? It plays a huge roll in certain financial endeavors, especially that of tourism. If you are trying to help Aruba regain her position as a desirable tourist destination, you are failing miserably.

      Last year when Greta Van Susteren was still on the island and filming a segment for her show. A local was driving by shouting obscenities and telling the Americans to go home. Was that you driving that car John? If so, we took your advice. You should be proud of what you have done for One Happy Freakin’ Island!

    32. Carpe Noctem on November 17th, 2006 7:47 pm

      The leg and foot of camera operator on
      ARUBAY VIDEO #24 WATER BASIN near
      MARRIOTT PALM BEACH, ARUBA.

      I call her “Abby”…

      “Abby Normal”

      http://tinyurl.com/y85rXv

      http://tinyurl.com/yaj4sa

      WHO IS???

      —————
      DAY # 536 -j4n-
      —————

      http://tinyurl.com/ykdoth

    33. Carpe Noctem on November 17th, 2006 7:59 pm

      -SUGAR BOAT-

      http://tinyurl.com/ygckov

      ———

      -NAME UNKNOWN-

      http://tinyurl.com/yfrcvz

      ———

      -NAME UNKNOWN-

      http://tinyurl.com/y454us

    34. Houston on November 17th, 2006 8:03 pm

      Investment in NIGHTMARE ISLAND! What fool would buy into it? Advice to Americans on the Island….”GET OUT WHILE You Can….if you don’t the drug people will, like they did in Mexico!

    35. tex on November 17th, 2006 8:38 pm

      I talked to a congress woman at the last election and she’s aware that the Gov’t of Aruba treated Natalee Holloway and family with total disgrace.

    36. Maggie on November 17th, 2006 8:50 pm

      I wouldn’t go there if the trip was free.

    37. Richard on November 17th, 2006 9:00 pm

      Surely this slogan is apt for a trip to Aruba:

      “Go now … pay later.”

      No thanks.

      As for the Caribbean investment firm buying the Marriott, if it’s based in the Caribbean it most likely is protecting its principals (that is, the people whose money it is handling; not principles, for they seem to be in short supply down that way) by various paper companies, etc.

      It seems that this is a common tactic to disguise Russian mob money, Mafia money, etc. Not to mention the drug lords.

    38. espionage on November 17th, 2006 9:09 pm

      Eyes see more than three

    39. kat_gram on November 17th, 2006 9:29 pm

      Mr. Spy-Teaser;
      Please complete a ” Speak in Plain English ” course and get back to me at 5-555-555-5555.
      In the meantime, could you post the GPS co-ordinates ?

    40. dennisintn on November 17th, 2006 9:49 pm

      #30, roflmao, john calls the monkeys hypocritical?? i think we’ve all been just about as straightforward with what we think as can be civilly done. on the other hand, find me a spokesman for aruba who hasn’t said one thing and done another and just flat lied every time they open their mouths and i’ll show you jossy mansur, and jossy alone. nobody else has ever told more than half truths about anything.
      dennisintn

    41. Miss-Underestimated on November 17th, 2006 10:19 pm

      The last peson leaving Aruba, please shut off the lights.

    42. Allan K on November 17th, 2006 10:23 pm

      Aruba is an investment market for sexual deviants, murderers,
      old men that like young girls, corrupt cops, x judges wives that don’t know how to dress. People that have little empathy
      for others. Teenagers that like to abuse the female tourists. Guys that like to rape girls in the schools and send out pics to their friends. People that like to lie and be deitful. bash victims. Mafia run casino’s. Rapes galore.

    43. aruba#1 on November 17th, 2006 10:26 pm

      What a waste of time
      Aruba is doing great
      You guys have a lot of bigger problems
      Go on twist my words, ha ha ha

    44. Carpe Noctem on November 18th, 2006 12:18 am

      Another great reason to go to ARUBA on vacation! To
      be decapitated, like the people I am about to show
      you in the next two slides.

      ARUBA – The island of the lying, murdering,
      raping Van der Sloots and Kalpoes
      slime. IMHO They are sub-humans,
      possibly even sub-animals!!!

      Another look at VIDEO # 38 THE ROCKS CRIME
      SCENE COVER UP & the decapitated heads
      that are easily visible.

      … why do Aruban authorities continue to lie? We
      can see with our own two eyes that they are in fact
      blatantly lying. Why do they continue
      to lie when these things can be scientifically
      proven to be lies?

      ————-

      Warning: Graphic Images of VIDEO #38 of ARUBAY VIDEOS

      There are at least two easily visible decapitated
      heads on ARUBAY #38. I have blacked out one in the
      upcoming slides so we can focus solely on the one that
      I am talking about.

      ————

      http://tinyurl.com/yezcfc

      http://tinyurl.com/ybbkXt

      ————

      Justice 4 Natalee!

      Aruba, if you continue
      down the path you’re
      on. Complete self-destruction
      is not very far off for you.

    45. Carpe Noctem on November 18th, 2006 12:28 am
    46. Carpe Noctem on November 18th, 2006 12:39 am

      MOVIE #38 THE ROCKS

      TIME COUNT: 1 MINUTE 18 SECONDS

      MORE BODY COUNT – VIEW FROM FAR SIDE OF ROCK CRYPT.

      ————-

      VIEW IN TO ROCK CREVICE – Brightened

      http://tinyurl.com/yf9hs2

      VIEW IN TO ROCK CREVICE – Brightened & Blown Up

      http://tinyurl.com/yb2v5m

      —————-

      Aruba, BOOK TODAY – DIE TOMORROW. It is THAT simple.

      If you care about your friends and love ones. DO
      NOT LET THEM GO TO ARUBA.

      Justice 4 Natalee!

      http://tinyurl.com/ykdoth

    47. mayan_moons on November 18th, 2006 1:30 am

      Hey Carpe!

      A few things about these first 2 stills. (sorry its graphic folks) The head that has the tongue sticking out is interesting, the face looks so ashen yet the tongue still has pink color & is evidence that this poor soul hadn’t been dead that long. Also the eyes are intact & don’t appear to have been pecked on by birds. What do you think?

    48. nychic on November 18th, 2006 1:54 am

      #32
      Carpe-

      lets talk about that pic of the foot you posted -
      i never could get that screen capture of the same
      foot once it hit the ground – it is very clear when
      the video is watched while controlling the speed manually -

      ok – somewhere around June 1-4 Mickey John and Abe Jones
      were “selected” as the 2 who would be arrested ?

      also during this crucial time – the family was being taken
      on several wild goose chases by none other than Witch Renfro

      all to make sure that the movement of the body would go undetected ?
      so, who tipped of the SG’s of their possible false arrest ??

      could this “tip” have caused the thought of some type of insurance of their innocence ? like the making of a video ?

      so they make this video let’s just say somewhere around June 2-4 – John and Jones are arrested June 5th ?? Videos are uploaded to Aru-bay site June 10th -

      what happened next ?? videos are taken down from site
      never to be seen again – John and Jones are released ???

      conclusion: the person(s) who took the videos no longer
      have them in their possession !

      They have been filed away in the ALE “evidence drawer”

    49. WebSurfer on November 18th, 2006 8:02 am

      #38 Do “eyes” = the seer?

      Do the three = the primary suspects?
      ______________________

      This person obviously knows something, so I find what he/she says interesting. It is usually pretty brief, so I don’t understand why it bothers some people. Just skip over it and move on if it bothers you.

    50. espionage on November 18th, 2006 10:19 am

      Reverie reveals more than tres
      Cuadriya violacion and buried Natalee

    51. SL-Gloria on November 18th, 2006 11:12 am

      Dan, #28,

      Caribbean Real Estate Opportunity Fund 2005, L.P., is a US$500 million private real estate fund organized and co-sponsored by Caribbean Property Group, Goldman Sachs (i. e. Wall Street) and Perry Real Estate Partners, to acquire real estate assets in the Caribbean and Central America.

      Sorry, but the Caribbean Real State Opportunity fund is not a run of the mill investor, but an estate capital acquirer than seeks property opportunities that it can later financially restructure for a hefty capital gain.

      Quite frequently corporations are organized by Americans and investors of other nationalities in the state of Delaware, the country of Panama, the Caymans, the Bahamas (these last two not Caribbean islands), the BVIs, etc., with the sole purpose of obtaining certain tax advantages and or avoiding income tax payments in the USA.

      The mere fact that a company has the name Caribbean in it, or that the company is incorporated in the Caribbean Basin does not mean that it is a decadent, rat hole concern. Besides common sense dictates that an All-You Can-Buy-For-A Dollar corporation could not afford to buy a facility like the Marriot in Aruba.

    52. Kat_Gram on November 18th, 2006 12:00 pm

      Dà ­ganos porquà © usted se siente traicionado.  ¿Quià ©n le traicionà ³?  ¿Y cà ³mo?

    53. WebSurfer on November 18th, 2006 2:27 pm

      #50 are you mixing the use of English and Papiamento? It doesn’t seem to be pure Spanish to me, or the language translators are missing something.

    54. WebSurfer on November 18th, 2006 3:23 pm

      Espionage:

      FWIW, this is my interpretation of your allegorical poetry thus far.

      You thought there was a location on the southwestern portion of the island that needed to be investigated. This assumption was apparently due to a “vision” someone had about Natalee being abused and buried in that location by a group of people. I’m uncertain if the “vision” is literal, or in someone’s imagination. My guess would be the imagination, because of your use of the term “seer” several times.

      Once M.I.P. let the cat out of the bag on another forum, you then posted a limerick that seemed to indicate you felt that the person with the vision had been betrayed and should be more careful about whom he might have confidence in on the island.

      Is that close? Will you ever answer any questions, or will you continue to just tease the readers here?

    55. Maria on November 18th, 2006 7:54 pm

      I’ve been reading in forum. If you need to block this that is OK. Do the new developments have anything to do with BFN blocking the site and making U log in?

    56. Richard on November 19th, 2006 7:40 am

      SL-Gloria (#51) … What you say about Americans organizing such funds is true, but what really matters is who is putting the money in. And what oversight there is.
      The tax savings might be the least part of it.

    57. WebSurfer on November 19th, 2006 8:51 am

      Anything new?

    58. SL-Gloria on November 19th, 2006 10:28 am

      #56, Richard:

      Where the money comes from? We could ask Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns, CitiGroup, JPMorgan Chase…and if our own are not enough, you can ask Deutsche Bank, Rothchild, Barclays Capital, Dredsner Kleinwort, they are all raising money, lending and investing in our prestigious Wall Street. If you check a bit, the bulk of the money comes from the individuals that save, invest in pension funds, buy stocks for their retirement, purchase bonds, all in the hopes of accumulating, to have more for the future, for a better life, for their retirement and their children….I guess you may say that big corporations invest most of the resources in the specially created funds such as the Caribbean Real State Opportunity Fund, but who owns the biggest, public corporations in the USA? The American public.

      Perhaps you refer to “drug money”… Doubtful that any of the previously mentioned firms would accept drug money, without it being washed, dried and recycled. But lets think about it a bit. To launder illegally gained resources, you would need a business structure through which you could funnel the money, in a way that its origin would disappear. A good structure would be a free trade zone, import export businesses, investments in casinos, banking institutions, real state, etc. A politically and economically powerful business conglomerate in an offshore market provides the perfect structure to justify shady earnings.

    59. yoyo muffintop on November 19th, 2006 6:10 pm

      Espionage –
      There was a young fellow named perkin
      Who was always jerkin his gherkin
      His father said perkin
      Stop jerkin your gherkin
      Your gherkins fer ferkin not jerkin

    60. Maggie on November 19th, 2006 7:42 pm

      I never did believe in the Shango stuff(if you do, that’s ok) and I’ve always felt if you have good and credible evidence of this case or any kind of evidence, call the FBI, call John Walsh’s show, talk to the owner’s of this blog here, they will keep your identity private. The rest is bs to string people along with false hopes. There’s been enough of those kind working for the government, AHATA and the ALE already that has put Natalee’s family through all their sick twisted stuff. To me they would be just as guilty as the suspects for keeping such information private and putting everyone through even more hell. Ever known a person who says I know a secret, but I can’t tell. Why even bother mentioning it at all then? lol

    61. Ames Tiedeman on November 19th, 2006 8:15 pm

      Aruba can sink into the SEA!

    62. John Staton on November 19th, 2006 8:15 pm

      To S L Gloria et all. Goldman Sachs has run into quite a bit of trouble as of late with the SEC. Look into their history over the last several years. Any group getting involved with this purchase would be looking at the cost of the purchase vs the replacement cost of the facility as this is a fire sale. Thus my original question. If the cash flow from say 67% occupancy is high enough to pay for the investment then the group would make the investment. This does not remove the real economic loss suffered by the seller(s). If the price is low enough these people will invest in whore houses in Tijunana.

    63. mayan_moons on November 19th, 2006 11:35 pm

      LOL MAGGIE!~

    64. mayan_moons on November 19th, 2006 11:37 pm

      oops capslock got stuck~

    65. mayan_moons on November 19th, 2006 11:40 pm

      lol yoyo thats pretty funny!

    66. mayan_moons on November 19th, 2006 11:43 pm

      Can’t believe anybody would trot that riddle me that- crap out again!~

    67. nychic on November 20th, 2006 1:02 am

      #60 Maggie-

      I Agree With This 100%

      If Someone In Aruba or The Netherlands Has Something
      To Tell About The Natalee Holloway Case
      There Are Much Better Ways To Go About It !

      If You Should Fear For Your Life – I Am Sure That
      Someone Here In The U.S. Would Gladly Offer Safe Cover
      In Exchange For Information Which Could Lead To
      Solving This Case !

    68. WebSurfer on November 20th, 2006 7:30 am

      Why try to run the person off? He/she might know something and then again they may not. In one of the posts he/she says the family already knew, so I would take that to mean that the authorities would as well.

      Espionage first said that a place on the southwest of the island needed to be searched. Then he said someone was spilling the beans and messing up the search. Well, apparently that was true, so this person has some type of inside info coming from some where.

      Who knows why they choose that way to share information?

    69. slogmonster (previously stumpwater) on November 20th, 2006 10:05 am

      #68 Imho I think that if a person has something worthwhile to say that would help find Natalee they should just say it. I believe Espionage is toying with us. No offense intended toward you at all WebSurfer.

      Btw, the letter “p” has been giving me hell on my keyboard lately so I will be posting from now on as “slogmonster”

      Ok, funny (to me) sounding names give me a giggle,what can I say? :)

    70. WebSurfer on November 20th, 2006 11:15 am

      #69 You could very well be right. But, I just find the posts a little interesting and tantalizing. I don’t see this person as having firsthand knowledge of the crime, but more as a conveyor of information.

      In ancient times several literary devices were used to convey information to the general public. That was done during those times, because a straight forward dialogue about those in power could easily cost someone their head.

      I’m sure the risk in this case does not compare, but who knows. They sure have taken a beating across the internet for sharing a small amount of news. What might they face in the real world, if they came forward?

    71. dennisintn on November 20th, 2006 1:01 pm

      #69 and 70. the anonymity of the internet protects posters whether they’re speaking plain english or spouting gibberish with several possible meanings.
      dennisintn

    72. WebSurfer on November 20th, 2006 2:30 pm

      #71 I wouldn’t be so sure of that. There have been plenty of people posting on the internet “anonymously” that have later found themselves in hot water. Or, had their whole personal life spread across a variety of message boards.

    73. SL-Gloria on November 20th, 2006 3:40 pm

      #62, John Staton,

      It should be “et al”.
      __________________

      If there were an open market potential demand for Tijuana whorehouses, then a smart entrepreneur in that line of business would try to buy them cheap to sell them later at a profit. That is the essence of capitalism, that philosophy that constitutes the backbone of the American economy. So I see nothing wrong with buying hotels at a price opportunity to resell them at a premium.

      I fallowed your advice and checked Goldman Sachs vis-Ã  -vis the SEC and Anti-Laundering compliance. The only information I find is related to Goldman Sachs spearheading a private venture called Regulatory DataCorp International, a non-profit organization that helps financial institutions deal with the requirements of the USA Patriot Act, which demands new verification and reporting requirements about transactions.

    74. dennisintn on November 20th, 2006 4:54 pm

      #72, i was trying to make the point that he wouldn’t be anymore exposed making forthright, understandable statements than he is playing riddle games. the people most concerned with finding him understands how close to the truth he is, and will be looking for him anyway. making up rhymes and riddles do not help protect him at all.
      dennisintn

    75. super dave on November 21st, 2006 8:07 am

      #30: maybe you should be jerkin your perkin with muffin instead of trying to say something.

    76. Scared Monkeys on November 22nd, 2006 5:47 pm

      [...] Hundreds of Customs Department employees demonstrated against the policies of management of the Aruban Tax Department. Wasn’t it just recently stated that Aruba was an ideal market for investment as one of the reasons was a  a stable political climate? Things are beginning to happen internally due to the loss of tourism and tax revenue that are now affecting the Aruban infrastructure and the people. [...]

    77. espionage on November 23rd, 2006 7:55 am

      Podise it is just wega di suerte
      But don’t be a zokete

      Southwest the quest continues
      An item found; pana pa bisti?

      Buskeda!

    78. espionage on November 23rd, 2006 2:01 pm

      un saco di nervio?

    79. Scared Monkeys on November 29th, 2006 10:54 am

      [...] Think the island of Aruba and the government is not desperate for revenue? I guess this can be added to the many reason to do business in Aruba and that “ideal market for investment” that was floated. According to Amigoe, the Aruban government has requested that a “Court of First Instance” be attached to the proceeds of the recent Marriott sale. We will do as we please, even if we do not have the documents. Why does this story sound so familiar? [...]

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