Seems That Aruba is Asking For Advice … Too bad they Don’t Want to Listen to the Truth


Aruba’s tourism is continually down as compared to other competing islands. The rest of the Caribbean is up double digits in pretty much every case.

“The facts are clear: we are down, way down,compared to other competing islands.” AHATA



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So Aruba wants answers … Can they handle what they will hear?

You would dare ask why? Maybe that’s why your tourism is down the drain. You continue to insult people’s intelligence asking why Aruba has suffered a tourism plight. I think Aruba Denial Arubaknows exactly why, Aruba is just unwilling to say it, rectify it, or acknowledge it. Aruba has stuck its head in its own beaches white sand for so long, that after 18 months since Natalee Holloway went missing you wonder why your tourism is nonexistent.

Do you not want to admit the truth? Do you live in a world of denial? Or are the people responsible for tourism that ignorant? Do you really want advice? Maybe you should listen to those who know rather than those that tell you what you want to hear.

From the very beginning when Natalee Holloway went missing, Scared Monkeys made the following comment, This Can’t Be Good For Tourism, Where’s Natalee Holloway. From the very beginning we were very honest and up front as to what would occur if Aruban officials were not sincere in their investigation. We told the good people of Aruba what would occur if the made the investigation a farce and put tourism over an investigation. We even told Aruba Tour for DumArubans and their voters that the most important issue during their elections was Natalee Holloway. Pridefully, they stated it was not. Instead, Aruba lived in a world of denial that this all would blow over. Americans would forget. They would come flocking back. Could Aruba have been any more wrong? Looking back in hindsight Aruba at your tourism and economy, do you think now that Natalee Holloway was not the most important issue? The downfall of your tourism and economy can be traced back to that one event.

Jamaica is up 17.7% year to date as compared to Aruba at a negative 10.3%. A difference of 28%. Even though the average tourist knows that Jamaica has more crime on it. The ATA scratches their heads and wonder how this is possible. Hint… Jamaica never boasted it was safe.

Aruba’s image for safety and hospitality has not recovered since last summer. Thus, the obvious question is: what specific actions has the ATA initiated to bring Aruba back on track …

The fact of the matter is that tourists feel betrayed by Aruba and its marketing claiming that its Excelsiorsafe when they have found out during the Natalee Holloway investigation that other woman had been attacked and gone unreported. However, the most important thing is that Aruba has showed all future tourists know that if they for some reason a crime is committed against them … it will not be investigated in an competent or sincere manner. You allowed under-age Arubans to gamble at will in your establishments even though your tourism propaganda states otherwise.

Aruba: No one under 18 years old is allowed in casinos.

You also allowed under age Arubans to drink in the bars where American tourists frequent. You thought nothing of why 3 boys would go to a bar 1/2 hour prior to closing to prey on high school girls on their last night of a vacation. But then again as Joran Van der Sloot stated, “we had done it 20 times before”. In both cases, neither Carlos N’ Charlies nor The Excesior were ever charged with anything for allowing such events to take place. You really wonder why tourists are not coming to Aruba?

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Aruba … a teenage girl is missing and went missing while on your island. You did nothing but cover up the crime. Dutch law is so concerned with hard evidence like a confession or DNA, yet the 3 main suspects were not immediately arrested, their property confiscated or their last known clothes taken. Aruba, you can do all the marketing you want, it will fail. Most Americans are disgusted that such a poor effort with no sincerity was made.

Natalee Holloway 2

Going through the motions is not an investigation make. Most people see that and realize thats what took place. You sided with the three suspects and now how to pay the piper. Tourists have the right to make up their own minds how to punish Aruba for the three ring circus, you called an investigation. Satish_joran_depak_200182

A tourist island operates in the court of public opinion. You could have properly investigated, interrogated and prosecuted. Instead you played small island nepotism politics. Small minded thinking for those that wished to have outside people come to their island and spend money. By the way, you do not treat the family of a missing person, who is a victim in their own right as you did either. The whole world saw how you cruelly strung this family along under the guise of an investigation on an emotional roller coaster ride. You still wonder why your tourism is in the “where are they now files?”

We were up front with Arubans, officials, media from the outset as to the consequences. You chose not to listen as you knew better. What do you think now? Feel free to contact us, our email is not that hard to find for answers to your problems. If you really want to hear the truth. However, the answer to Aruba’s problems is rather simple … “Justice for Natalee”.

We have stated for quite some time, “What’s good for the Van der Sloots is terrible for Aruba.” What do you think now Aruba?



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  • Comments

    88 Responses to “Seems That Aruba is Asking For Advice … Too bad they Don’t Want to Listen to the Truth”

    1. Robots on November 14th, 2006 6:42 pm

      TOILET – it so simple

      you are like an alcoholic or a GAMBLER
      “just one more lie and everything will be ok”

      DENIAL is never an answer

      its a RIVER

      the answer is RIGHT in FRONT of you…..

      I hate your creepy little island more each day, every day that goes on and you deny justice to Natalee and her family, i hate you more every day.




    2. Robots on November 14th, 2006 6:44 pm

      your investigators cant be as stupid as they appear

      they cant be


      but perhaps some of them are as corrupt as they appear to be….

      YES—- thats the TICKET

    3. Gunslinger on November 14th, 2006 6:50 pm

      Anybody want to chip in and help liearuba buy a clue??

      I didn’t think so.

      To be free, we only need 4 boxes. Soap, ballot, jury, and Ammo.

    4. judy w. on November 14th, 2006 6:54 pm

      #-Absolutely awesome post Scared Monkeys! I love coming here because you tell it like it is!
      #-BTW which of you is a Georgian? I know from when I first started coming to your blog site that one of you (Red or Tom live in Georgia.)
      #-I want to say “thank you” for keeping the dialogue going for Natalee Holloway/her family and friends, and for those of us who have taken Natalee as one of our own (to heart) and want to see justice done. Keep up the great work!

    5. Carpe Noctem on November 14th, 2006 7:24 pm

      Here is why your tourism sucks so bad,
      Briesen you dumb a$$…

      People don’t want their kids kidnapped, raped, murdered
      and disposed as as shark bait while on vacation.

      It is not rocket science, really!!! Even a dumb punk
      a$$ murdering rapists and half-wit assassins like Paulus & Joran Van der Rape & Deepak and Satish Kalpoe
      can get the gist of it!

      Until that changes, I know one thing is
      for sure as far as I am concerned:

      I will keep kicking ARUBA
      in the face & ribs… and ruthlessly
      sabotaging even the smallest amount of
      tourism dollars they could hope to get
      floating their way.

      Eat SNIT an DIE, Aruba!

      There are
      consequences for acting
      like @$$holes.

      You TOTALLY signed
      your death warrant
      when you started
      attacking Natalee
      Holloway and her family.

      No rest for the wicked. Kiss THE RENFRO!!!!


    6. patrick gangemi on November 14th, 2006 7:30 pm

      Scared Monkey’s…

      I have not posted in a while because I was so sick and still am sick about this case.

      I F***ING LOVED THAT POST!!! Just being honest!

      Those idiots are getting what they deserved.

      I hope Joran reads this blog and realizes how many people he hurt.

      KEEP IT UP!!!

    7. Allan K on November 14th, 2006 7:30 pm

      Another Aruban ploy, What did we do wrong? Did you do anything right? No! They are so full of s–t and playing another game. Just give Natalee back and shut the hell up, then prosecute and quit playing stupid and acting like morons.

    8. dennisintn on November 14th, 2006 7:51 pm

      it appears that the vds family doesn’t have a lock on arrogance and egotism on aruba. the govt. and business community also thinks they can lie their way out of anything, and tourists just love them so much that they can treat them anyway they want to and get away with it.

      aruban businessman to greta vs at the dump while dave is digging 20 ft. down looking for his daughter’s body: “this is bad for business, beth just needs to shut up, go home, and get over it”. hardened my heart to aruba in one heartbeat. then lying like dogs trying to trash natalee’s reputation and blame her for what happened was even worse. i wouldn’t spend a dime on that island or even shake hands with one of them on the street.

    9. ben on November 14th, 2006 7:56 pm

      you should send this hole article to the aruban and dutch goverment.just in case they dont read it.bye the way has any one heard any thing about the dutch investigation.

    10. Frank on November 14th, 2006 8:02 pm

      Maybe it’s those splashy print ads in the magazines or airline magazines touting Aruba, that when they are opened, have writing that says Aruba murders American tourists.

      Or “find Natalee.”

      I managed to get at least 2 dozen marked in one flight. Or the picture of Natalee that’s spray painted on a Jet Blue Billboard on route 3 in New Jersey.


      Or could it be the Tacopina effect. By hiring him, everyone knew that meant he was trying to defend the guilty.

      Gee, who paid him $5 million dollars? the Van der sloots?

      …or was it Ahata?

    11. Observer on November 14th, 2006 8:39 pm

      All is quiet in aruba.. No more interviews,no news,no arrests or searches for Natalee. The 3 pimps havent even been questioned in over a year. All we have to look back at is likely the most obvious poor attempt at a coverup any of us have ever witnessed. The scary thing is they have gotten away with it.

      First they thought they could just deny everything. Then they thought they could just destroy all evidence. Then they decided to lie there way through it and create more lies to hide the truth. Then they had the nerve to accuse natalee and her family.

      They should have just shut up from the very beginning and many of us would not be getting angrier as this drags on.. Instead they went on record saying one thing,doing another and the next day saying something else. They even went as far as threatening beth and pointing the finger back at natalee and her family. Everyone has seen public officials,corrupt aruban law officials,aruba tourism board and the suspects themselves lie and get away with murder.

      “I Lied and thats the truth”–Joran Van Der Sloot–

    12. Richard on November 14th, 2006 8:44 pm

      Hey, folks … let’s do our part, as they said in World War II. Let’s share any and all info on who is running ads for Aruba … and then let’s slam those scum mercilessly. Aruba is trying to sneak in to our tourist market again through the back door. Deep discounts, etc.

      Who, if not us, will speak up for the Holloway Twitty family? Is our government taking action … in the face of either a cover-up or obvious incompetence by Aruba, either of which is equally dangerous to our citizens?

      Do we hear about Natalee in the media? Nope; the blowhard TV talk show hosts have moved on.

      If ANYONE is going to keep the fires going, to keep the public pressure on Aruba, to keep awareness of the case before the public … it is we and we alone.

      (Us and us alone? No, I think “we” is right.)

      What we say on this forum goes no farther than ourselves.

      What we say in letters can influence public opinion and markets. And clearly, if Aruba cares for anything, it is the markets.

    13. mayan_moons on November 14th, 2006 9:23 pm

      Here’s another idea….go in your local library & collect all the magazines from readers digest to Newsweek & write BOYCOTT ARUBA JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ON THEM.
      Pop in your Dr.’s & Dentists office & do their magazines too!

    14. JusticeforNatalee on November 14th, 2006 9:25 pm

      Aruban authorities,

      How stupid can you be? Or, are you just arrogant or stubborn?

      Your tourism is tanking because Natalee was killed on your island and you failed to give her justice.


      Have you been in the sun too long? The answer is clear.

    15. justinsmama on November 14th, 2006 9:31 pm


    16. ayfit on November 14th, 2006 9:42 pm

      MAN!There are some really pissed off people blogging lately.Take notice Aruba,This fight for justice is just getting started.Your numbers will continue to sprial out of control,you’re doomed,you lack integrety,and you’re corrupt.Who in their right mind would support your economy? It has COME ARROUND ARUBA.Natalee is now distroying you.Yep that beautiful little blond tourist who thought you had a beautiful place prior to her visit,is now sinking your island.Your demise can not come soon enough. Justice prevails one way or another.What you are whitnessing is JUSTICE.Right Justice?
      God Bless Beth and family,justice will come,it’s happening as we speak.

    17. Gunslinger on November 14th, 2006 9:51 pm

      Dayum! Was everyone on liearuba raised under power lines and fed lead paint chips?

    18. dennisintn on November 14th, 2006 9:54 pm

      if this is an ahata publication, then they’re lobbying to get the govt. to fork out another l5 to 20 mil for more advertising. softening the target, so to speak. ahata wants to tell us more lies about how comfy and safe everything is on the vile isle. and how well they treat victims and their families when tragedies occur.

      we have heard nothing from the cold case team, and we haven’t even heard from the investigation of the investigation that the curacao prosecutor was supposed to finish last december or january of this year. that should give you an idea of when you might hear something.

      let’s see now, the body of a 7 year old boy is found a year after he disappeared. anybody heard of any charges brought in that case? maybe he was written off as a heart attack or suicide, you know how these little boys are.

      a l4 yr. old boy wearing a life preserver? falls off a jet ski, aruba finds the jet skis but can’t find the boy? what’s that all about?

      a month before natalee disappears, a woman is attacked on the beach at the hotels. tourists finally hear about it when they’re looking for a scapegoat to get j2k off the hook in march of this year.

      a l6 yr. old is gangraped at school this summer. phone pics are taken of the acts and sent to all the rapists friends. the little girl has to go off island to finish school, and the rapists are not charged even with pictures showing their crimes. the papers ask the people receiving these pics to Please delete the pics and don’t put them on the internet.

      and these numbnuts think their pitiful ads bragging about safety on the island are going to be believed?

      arrogance and egotism. and jvds had plenty of adult guidance to attain his diagnoses of sociopath and pathological liar.

    19. Robots on November 14th, 2006 9:59 pm

      toilets — free toilets !!!!


      NEW “TOILET” ADVERTSING campaign

      “welcome to TOILET ISLAND, maybe we rape and hurt you ?

      i hate them all

    20. downloadingd on November 14th, 2006 10:11 pm

      Great article!
      Boycott Aruba!

    21. JusticeforNatalee on November 14th, 2006 10:25 pm

      Joran and the Kalpoes roaming free are walking billboards of negative publicity for tourism.

      Stop wasting your money on ads and new malls.

      Invest in JUSTICE for NATALEE. Be wise.

    22. yoyo muffintop on November 14th, 2006 10:32 pm

      “go in your local library & collect all the magazines from readers digest to Newsweek & write BOYCOTT ARUBA JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ON THEM.” – are you seriously doing that? Do you really think that is how the Holloway/Twitty families want to keep this case in the public eye? Come on now…

    23. mayan_moons on November 14th, 2006 10:45 pm

      Very Good Article!

      No one could say it any better!

      Aruba looks so stupid pretending they don’t know why tourism is going in the crapper.

    24. Robots on November 14th, 2006 10:47 pm

      i got a 5 dollar bill in change back and it said
      ARUBA SUCKS written in RED LETTTERS on it

      Robots can not write with a pen , so dont blame me


    25. Observer on November 14th, 2006 10:51 pm

      I dont know what we can do except contact schools,travel agencies and govt. Or confront the scum ourselves. I am in for anything to help find justice for natalee. Is there someone out there that has a plan??

      The 3 pimps are never gonna talk and the ALE is never going to prosecute or reveal what happened to natalee. It doesnt appear any new witnesses will give us any new false hope and the last little bit of truth we had heard was in june 2005.

      It has been 19 months and I dont see anyone asking the right questions. If a proper investigation were to happen in november 2006 we would see like a dozen people arrested and convicted of crimes against natalee holloway. These include aruban officials and law enforcement and that just isnt going to happen.

      We know all evidence and witnesses went through dennis jacobs. Will anyone outside of the ALE ever take a close look at what he didnt destroy or talk to any of the witnesses? It should only take a few hours to prove that mr.jacobs did what we all know he did.

      We will then find out the obvious that he was following orders. We know Van Der Stratten was heavily involved but we all know it doesnt end there. Doesnt sound like it took paulus and his friends long to convince rudy croes/oduber that this needed to be covered up.

    26. hammer on November 14th, 2006 10:54 pm


      Indeed. The big question is why.

      The never-ending spiral of dispair was captured in the greatest work of western literature. John Milton was blind and close to death when he penned these words in “PARADISE LOST” –

      “Which way I fly is Hell,
      Myself am Hell…

      And in the lowest deep,
      An even lower deep –

      Still threatening to devour me:
      Opens wide,

      To which the Hell I suffer
      Seems a heaven…”

      Thus spaketh Lucifer, Son of Light. The fallen archangel who became DEVIL.

      His agony is captured here for us to know. A never-ending spiral of despair and misery was his. He would rather rule in Hell, than serve in Heaven.

      So ask yourself WHY, Nel Obduber. Leader of the hell-hole called Aruba. And repeat after me:

      “Which way I fly is Hell,
      Myself am Hell…”

      And do not ever say these three words, or God will strike you down. You are not worthy of having these words cross your lips. Your speaking them is sacrilege. Never say these words, as they are sacred and cared for. They are words that belong to God, and not you. When you ask yourself “the big question” why — these are the words you cannot speak:




    27. mayan_moons on November 14th, 2006 10:56 pm

      What i’d really like to do is write BOYCOTT ARUBA
      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE in the sky all along the North East Coastline a couple of weeks before Spring Break.

    28. dennisintn on November 14th, 2006 11:20 pm

      lol, jvds will be back on the island soon cavorting around like he owns the place. then the msm will pick up on natalee’s case again.

    29. Jasmine on November 15th, 2006 1:27 am

      Perhaps we should all go to this link and tell them why.

    30. Mike on November 15th, 2006 1:41 am


      ok, you do like that idea. let’s hear one from you. the only thing i have heard from you is garbage. i am sure if it was your daughter you would just want to forget it all, RIGHT? do you live with kelmal?

    31. Jasmine on November 15th, 2006 2:02 am

      Well, I gave them a piece of my mind. Hope you guys do too. Amazing that they even have to ask why, isn’t it? Thank you Red & Tom for the excellent article and for all that you do to help the Holloway-Twitty families. J4N – Justice for Natalee

    32. mayan_moons on November 15th, 2006 2:20 am

      The Library is a good idea, you’re never to young to know that Aruba is no friend to Americans & you are wise never to go there. High School kids don’t watch alot of news if any, and it doesn’t cost a cent to do.

    33. vicki on November 15th, 2006 7:06 am

      jasmine, thank you I gave them a piece of my mind too. Some one suggested an ad campaign. I think that is an excellent ides. So is writting on the magazines on airplanes where ever you go. It doesnt have to be an ad for lieruba just any page in the magazine on a plane. Keep putting it on all money that you come in contact with. Lets bring the island to its knees.What makes us americans so great is we have compassion for a grieving family.we will not go away, how can you even ask? This is sickening. Can they really be scratching their heads? GO ASK ARUBA STEVE ABOUT YOUR FREAKING TOURISM, if he is still ALIVE.

    34. vicki on November 15th, 2006 7:12 am

      also lets all email or write to the discovery channel. they are running a 20 second commercial about the filthy island where NO ONE is safe.

    35. vicki on November 15th, 2006 7:26 am
    36. MIss-Underestimated on November 15th, 2006 8:41 am

      Aruba you gave the people last seen with Natalee Holloway 10 days to get the stories straight and get rid of the evidence. Then you allowed the Pauless to sit in on the statement Joran gave and allowed Pauless to “clear some issues” up on the statement. What else have you allowed ALE?

      Look what you have done to your island. Liars breed liars, you reap what you sow.

      Now you want to bait more young women to your island. Well we’ll see, you can only perfume a pig so long before the smell comes thru.

    37. John Staton on November 15th, 2006 9:30 am

      For a long time, I have attempted to introduce the people of Aruba to reality on this site from the view of an economist with experience in econometric projection. Looking at other places (US V I) as an example even with correction (which is not coming from Aruba) the minimum down turn will be 5-7 years. With their image completely destroyed only God know how long the down turn will last. The following blunt information should be reviewed:

      The Aruba tourist industry will keep going down until it hits some base level. That level is unknown at this time, however until it reaches a level where investors feel very comfortable making new money investments it will stay very depressed.

      The tourist money effects the economy in 2 ways. First, the obvious money to the tourist industry but in addition the taxes on this industry fuel the government and its large expenditures of pork through a bloated governmental structure. Recent tax increases put on the falling tourist industry and related industries have been for the benefit of the pork recipients. However, with economic activity continuing to decrease, the maximum level of tax acceptable by the economy continues to decrease forcing a Laffer effect upon the tax structure. This indicates that the regressive tax structure will actually produce an expediential decrease in tax receipts. Taxes received will actually be lower than if the increase had not taken place due to the increase damper on economic activity. The pork barrel is in trouble. The ruling class is in trouble.

      The international banking community seems very in tune with these developments with the recent denial of a $53 million loan. Would you loan these idiots any money? Would you invest in a place like this? The answer we have all seen is no way in Hell!

      Some day someone will write a book on how to destroy an island economy based on this. Chapter One should be “Insult your customers”.

    38. JusticeforNatalee on November 15th, 2006 10:01 am


      Encourage others to spread the word.

    39. Freebrid on November 15th, 2006 10:04 am

      I just don’t understand WHY you want to protect these DUMASSES!!! thousands of people are suffing for something 4 DUMASSES did!!!! 1,000′s vs. 4 what’s the deal!!! Wait I think I might have something (there are more people in higher places involved than meets the eye) Watson I think we may have something there!!! Hold that thought!!!! They changed the command in the police dept. that didn’t help, they brought in new investagators, that hasn’t helped, could the problem be in the D.A.’s office and higher up yessssssss I think that’s it Watson!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let’s do all we can to save the golden child AKA lieing,raping, murdering Joran Van der shit!!!!!!!!! Who gives a rats ass about the rest of the Island!!!!! I’m sorry I get up set when on this subject I will let someone else vent now!

    40. Meee on November 15th, 2006 10:07 am

      I know registering is a pain in the butt. But please do. On todays show they spun the vacation wheel and it came up Aruba. Even though the person missed the question and isn’t going on the trip. There’s no need for Regis and Kelly to have it on the wheel. Drop the show an e-mail asking to take it down.

    41. JusticeforNatalee on November 15th, 2006 10:14 am

      Aruba, stop playing dumb.

      You know very well why tourism is in trouble.

      Even my cat can understand it.

    42. Meee on November 15th, 2006 10:19 am

      Good link #29- Jasmine. I let them know why.

    43. Melissa on November 15th, 2006 10:25 am

      I saw the above reference to Aruba Steve. Does anyone know what became of him?

    44. Meee on November 15th, 2006 10:41 am

      Went down to the local store. The new issue of the National Enquirer has the pictures from the basin on it. It shows the white tarp and things. Two Holloway articles in the last two weeks by the Enquirer. Hopefully they will keep showing more things. I know it’s only the Enquirer. But they do have a good fan base. Any info in the publics hands is good.

    45. MIss-Underestimated on November 15th, 2006 10:42 am

      Would anyone know how far the bloody mattress was found in proximity to the painted rocks?


      SM:   Opposite end of the island.   The bloody mattress was found on the SW corner of the island and the painted rocks are in the Northern tip of the island. (klaasend)

    46. Meee on November 15th, 2006 10:52 am

      a little help for vicki. Feel free to complain to the advertising people or try this

    47. MIss-Underestimated on November 15th, 2006 11:25 am

      Thanks Klaas,

      Just a thought thou, if you wanted something dis-associated you may plant it directly opposite where it was used? Just my thoughts. Carpes pictures are really powerful…I may have to dis-engage.

    48. Crioyo on November 15th, 2006 11:38 am


    49. Crioyo on November 15th, 2006 11:46 am

      klaassend, i never did find out how the problems between rudy en van der straatten began.


      SM:   Hi Crioyo – long time no see!   What do you think about this De Vries investigation?   (klaasend)

    50. Scared Monkeys on November 15th, 2006 11:59 am

      [...] As we reported yesterday, AHATA, placed a full page ad  stating they are “disappointed in the statements of minister Edison Briesen (MEP) of Tourism and Transport.” [...]

    51. joe bear on November 15th, 2006 11:59 am

      I heard from Tommy Lee Jones that The”Inquiry” had the best investigative staff.There are great posts today.Keep your economy strong,by pleasing the customer.Give copies of Dave’s book to middle and high schools.And yes,tell people.The Discovery and National Geographic channel ads contain false info.For example,the Natrual Bridge is gone.The scuba shots are from other islands.Remember what Karl Marx said”Workers cast off your chains.”J4N

    52. LilPuma on November 15th, 2006 12:16 pm

      #9 Ben: Last I heard, the Dutch investigators took the case documents back to The Netherlands to review. No word since. You may have seen the recent article here about an investigative reporter, Peter deVries has been investigating. His show will air in The Netherlands on November 26.

      #19 Dennisintn. Thank you for posting those facts. The recent gang rape of the 16 year old is particularly disturbing to me. Why aren’t these boys in jail?

      Aruba: Do you really not realize what your actions told us about you? You made it clear that you will protect your own, not the tourists. You showed us that some of your values and standards of behavior are different from ours. Not that we don’t have these problems, but we don’t defend and protect them; we try to prosectue them. Finally, and perhaps most importantly, the way you treated the Holloway-Twitty family, the US media, and the way you talked about Natalee, you made it very clear how you feel about Americans. You told us you can do what you want and we can’t stop you. You lied to the media, Natalee’s family, the US and Aruban public. You continue to bite the hand that feeds you. We couldn’t stop you from destroying evidence, intimidating witnesses or otherwise “protecting” your own. But we don’t have to buy a ticket to go visit you.

    53. vicki on November 15th, 2006 12:34 pm

      @46 thanks meee

    54. espionage on November 15th, 2006 1:06 pm

      East of where fishbones fly the pathway is blocked with links of chain. The wellspring’s bore is hidden from public view. Is this where someone should be “digging” for truth?

    55. buckeye on November 15th, 2006 7:19 pm

      How have you been?? Still in Holland?? Any talk from
      the island folks?? Wish you would have continued with
      your site…it looked great.
      DeVries was one of the people you listed as having value.
      Is there any news of his investigation??

    56. Crioyo on November 15th, 2006 7:33 pm

      Well I’ve seen Peter R. de Vries’s shows and I think he’s really really good. He’s the kind of guy who’ll trespass on somebody’s property and demand answers to questions until threatened. However I haven’t heard anything whatsoever on tv or in dutch media about it. Maybe commercials will start airing next week or so.

      Haven’t heard much either about the dutch holloway investigation. I’m basically reading my news on SM :s ….

    57. Crioyo on November 15th, 2006 7:39 pm

      p.s. buckeye

      nobody really seems to talk about it anymore.
      last i heard via via was someone’s dad is an investigator and asked his feminine child for a picture of some guy. it was regarding the holloway case. this was last week i think.

      yups still here in holland. heading to aruba for the holidays.

    58. Maggie on November 15th, 2006 8:13 pm

      SM, great job on this story. excellent! J2K and father, they know what happened to Natalee.

    59. espionage on November 15th, 2006 8:24 pm

      From the center of the forests of Helvitia
      Came a nocturnal seer with visions of the Caquetio

      Chimera took him to a place of mystery
      Near the axis of the isle’s history

      Not far from the domicile of the misbegotten
      An illusory scene can not be forgotten

      A motionless body buried near agua’s source
      Hidden in the alluvium by those with no remorse

    60. Derek on November 15th, 2006 8:44 pm

      I dont buy it.Wishful thinking.Try booking a hotel in Aruba on one of the websites for either Thanksgiving or the New Year.They are pretty much all booked!The ones that are not are very pricey.You act as if there are no people here.There are plenty of Americans here and that is a FACT.{{edit}}


      SM:Â  We aren’t making up the numbers, the article was published by AHATA (klaasend)

    61. Mortella on November 15th, 2006 9:06 pm

      Derek, has cut rate deals to Aruba 75% off.
      Try there, and plenty of rooms for the rest of this year.

      These are not OUR figures, they are from The Aruban Hotel and Tourism Association. Are you saying they are lying? The International Monetary Fund, the UN, all these impartial organizations are all lying about Aruba?

      They couldn’t even get a loan of a few million! Check the Central Bank in Aruba as well. Are all of them lying or do they read here and take our word for it? Don’t think so.

      And it is the denial that you are exhibiting that has enabled this to go so far.

    62. Mortella on November 15th, 2006 9:09 pm

      Did you even read the report, Derek?

      Here is a summary for you taken from a post by WorldJournier made today:

      For the long term comparison view….

      On 6-14-05 the “Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association” (AHATA) documented that the hotel occupancy for January 2005 was 90.36 %

      ….but now….

      “However, according to data from the Central Bureau of Statistics, the average occupancy rate of the hotels for September 2006 shows a contraction of 2.5 percentage points to 66.6 percent”

      ….that is a long term, 24% loss in hotel occupancy in ARUBA (and also in an ARUBA economy that had been increasing before NATALEE ANN HOLLOWAY vanished), no matter the short term attempts to “spin” the data

      ….Additionally, in the shorter term, on 11-13-06 ARUBAAN’s news source “Bon Dia” reported just 2 days ago an article entitled, “The Minister of Tourism and Transportation Needs Better Advice,” that details the following 2006 tourism figures compared to same period 2005 tourism figures as documented by the “Caribbean Tourism Organization” report:

      +17.7 % Jamaica (Jan.-Aug.)
      +11.7 % Bermuda (Jan.-Aug.)
      + 9.1 % Dominican Republic (Jan.-Aug.)
      + 6.0 % Puerto Rico (Jan.-Jun.)
      + 4.6 % Curacao (Jan.-Jun.)
      + 4.1 % Barbados (Jan.-Aug.)
      + 4.0 % Bahamas (Jan.-Jun.)
      - 1.4 % St. Maarten (Jan.-Jul.)
      - 10.3 % Aruba (Jan.-Jun.)

      Read the rest of the article here

      ….that is a short term, 28% difference between the #1 destination, JAMAICA, versus ARUBA (for all international tourists, and, during a booming UNITED STATES economy), no matter the short term attempts to “spin” the data

      Â « Last Edit: Today at 10:53:07 AM by WorldJOURNIER Â » Report to moderator Logged


      The Natalee Holloway Timeline of Persons, Known Crimes Suspects, & Outright Lies
      Boycott All Aruba+Holland services+goods until Natalee+The Truth are found;topicseen#new


      Now maybe it is impossible to just look at a hotel and tell the occupancy from seeing people walking around but these are the figures the hotels themselves are reporting.

      And you thought it wouldn’t work! Just no faith in us Monkeys, huh?

    63. JusticeforNatalee on November 15th, 2006 9:20 pm

      Aruba, you foolishly decided to “protect tourism at all costs.”

      Now we are protecting our DAUGHTERS at all costs.


    64. JusticeforNatalee on November 15th, 2006 9:47 pm

      “… cut rate deals to Aruba 75% off.”

      75% off—hmmmm—

      That reminds me of a recent mall visit.

      I saw a store with a 75% off sale and said to my husband,
      “I bet that place is going out of business.”

      Sure enough, it did!

      Get my point, Aruba?

    65. Derek on November 15th, 2006 9:52 pm

      Just delete my comment because I think that s**t happens.Its nobodys fault.She left with her negrito or something.They found nothing and you continue to call for a boycott of the island!?Well I must enjoy this while it lasts.The Americans are here though.I see them with my eyes everyday at Little Caesers and Dunkin Donuts.Its a fact.

    66. WebSurfer on November 15th, 2006 10:22 pm


      Been seeing all those tourist at the Dunkin Donuts, huh? You must be ALE!

    67. yoyo muffintop on November 15th, 2006 10:42 pm

      with her “negrito”? What a bunch of racist BS. And nice try with your attempt at slamming americans with your dunkin/caesars comment.

      But I will say the stats in WorldJournier post is apples/oranges comparisons, and the 24% figure is a joke.
      Maybe, just maybe, since the US has actually seen that aruba is a “desert meets the beach” place not a tropical paradise, they are choosing to go to Cabo.

    68. Skyboxx on November 15th, 2006 10:43 pm

      Who is this latest bad actor Deetch is referring to? Mark Purcell, I think? Any real connection to NH disappearance?

    69. nychic on November 15th, 2006 10:52 pm

      WTF Is A “negrito” ?

      Derek aka Dennis ? as in Jacobs ?
      (the Dunkin Donuts and Ceasars Pizza gave it away)

    70. nychic on November 15th, 2006 11:04 pm

      Note To Espionage:

      Shango-isms Were “In” Last Year !

    71. JusticeforNatalee on November 15th, 2006 11:22 pm

      posted on inside by Klaas:

      I missed Greta tonight but this was posted at Refugees:

      John Q Kelly on GVS Nov 15, 2006

      Greta was interviewing John Q Kelly with regard to
      O.J. Simpson.

      She inquired about the Holloway case. John Q. Kelly’s
      exact words:

      We’re pursuing something right now, stay tuned

    72. Mortella on November 16th, 2006 12:01 am

      Nice to hear AHATA lies about their tourist figures. One more reason to boycott. Maybe we need to start a thread in the forum about that the way one was done about the lies about low crime rates in Aruba.

      I am sure there are SOME Americans there. Would be very odd if there were not considering the close proximity. But there are not as many as last year and more are going to other islands instead of Aruba.

      Does “negrito” mean Joran van der Sloot? He was the last one seen with Natalee Holloway and he has lied about it ever since. And yet, Aruba has chosen to allow him total freedom despite his obvious obstruction of justice. Being the last seen with someone missing and lying repeatedly would be pretty incriminating in most places but then Aruba is really special, isn’t it? Sort of a paradise on earth for drugging rapists and safety hazard for others.

      And keep those insults coming! Just entrenches the boycott for what I know of Aruba now I have learned from posters from there and not my very brief stays on cruises. I have found the Arubans and Dutch some of the most arrogant with the least reason to be so I have ever encountered in my life and certainly not the kind of people I care to be involved with and certainly not to spend money to do so!

      I will never feel the same toward them again because of their rudeness and heartless treatment of Natalee’s family. I has been a real eye opener, that’s for sure.

    73. buckeye on November 16th, 2006 7:14 am

      By “feminine child”, do you mean daughter or gay son??
      Have we heard the name of the picture he requested??
      Hope you have a nice, relaxing vacation.
      PS I’m glad you’re posting. I thought something bad
      happened to you because of your web site. It really was
      a good idea (and you did a lot of work).

    74. Roy on November 16th, 2006 11:49 am

      Carpe, WB… Sorry I couldn’t get back with a more timely response. Going on a family vacation tonite…(not aruba) more like a softball tournament…the 12 yr old is actually pretty darn good…50mph fastball with a nasty drop-curve.
      My cremation synopsis was just me generalizing my agreement with 1906 about Natalee in all liklihood of being cremated. Rocks to water-basin, water-basin to rocks, I don’t know, just looking at a 10-day time frame where Natalee’s body is put thru a living hell. By that time, those boys would have been getting desperate and nothing would have been beyond imagination.
      I confess to seeing an outline of what appears to be a petite person in the culvert…That is extremely eerie! Beyond that, when you zoom, I get a little antsy about admitting to seeing body parts or dismemberment… That’s not to say it’s not there..I myself believe she was(dismembered). So when I wrote that piece, I was more or less looking at the chronology of the desecration of Natalee’s body…For the purpose of which came first, I don’t think it’s that important when concluding cremation.
      As for the “out to sea”, not sold on that aspect yet. I think I’ve heard all the stories. Most notably, the deep water aspect involving “Koen”…Did they ever conduct a deep water search…I heard of many shallow water searches but never the one search that made the most sense. I never heard anywhere on any boards or any news programs of any submersible or submarines used in the search for Natalee. That would have been the most logical and I assure you, neither Holland nor the US would have respected any Aruban’s claim to international waters beyond the 3-mile point….And in a submarine, not at all…so, again, that leaves cremation imo.

    75. Arubaanse on November 16th, 2006 12:34 pm



    76. dennisintn on November 16th, 2006 12:52 pm

      when dave holloway requested that dompig make a simple phone call to o.k. the use of deep water search equipment, dompig said he didn’t have time to make the call. the equipment was not furnished.

    77. dennisintn on November 16th, 2006 12:53 pm

      the equipment was to have been furnished at no cost to aruba. there was absolutely no reason to not make the call.

    78. Roy on November 16th, 2006 2:13 pm

      Dennis…I agree whole-heartedly, Dompig could have done all those things but iffn Holland was committed to this search for Natalee, particularly as it relates to the deep-water search, they could have put a sub in there to do it. The US recognizes up to 3 miles for territorial waters, Holland, I’m not sure but as a member of NATO, I’m guessing likewise…either way, Holland IMO should have done it anyway, regardless of what Aruba or Dompig thought…No way was Holland ignorant to what was going on in Aruba. I will say this, “the rocks”, “the culvert” the dump site near the shallow grave where people supposedly go to see the sharks, “Natalee wanted to see sharks”, and on and on…Makes a REAL good cover story if in fact she was cremated. And you can say, If Holland knew this, why do a deep-water search. Makes Joran’s statement, “She wanted to go see sharks” just jump out at you! He knew!

    79. Derek on November 16th, 2006 2:16 pm


      {{EDIT}} happens.No hay ninguna razon que deberiamos dejar un par de locos insultar nuestra isla constantemente sin defenderla.le estoy dando mal nombre?,pues son estos locos que insultan Aruba y alguien la tiene que defender.Oh by the way……….


      SM: You meant Aruba happens? So cheap flights go to Aruba. Does not mean more people are going. It means that they feel the desparate need to offer the highest incentive and cheapest price to lure someone there. The end result will be major carriers pulling out of the market. I thought Aruba wanted a more “superior” higher class of visitor … that was their market.

      High rollers not coming in on Jet Blue that is for sure.


    80. Sharon Chicago on November 16th, 2006 3:35 pm

      Wow…John Q. Kelly on Greta Nov. 15 we are pursuing something, stay tuned!! Yes I believe things will happen soon…

    81. yoyo muffintop on November 16th, 2006 9:53 pm

      no one’s here anymore, but negrito in spanish = the “n” word.

    82. Scared Monkeys on November 17th, 2006 11:58 am

      [...] Let’s look at that stable political climate they are discussing. Tourism is the number one money maker for the Aruban economy. Aruba vs. the rest of the Caribbean is severely down. Its hard to imagine that an unstable tourism problem trending downward could create any type of stability for a Caribbean island dependent upon that tourism for its economy. Stability? [...]

    83. Scared Monkeys on November 20th, 2006 11:26 am

      [...] Rudy Croes fires back at the AHATA [...]

    84. Megan Git on April 3rd, 2007 7:27 pm

      alright, all you can just shut the hell up! you’ve probably never fricken been to aruba and you’re boycotting their entire island? i know ill get a lot of crap for this, but natalee got drunk with her friends. where were he “friends” when she got in the car with the guys? honestly, the guys would take what they could get, just like any other drunk guy. yeha, natalee had it coming. i live in chicago and if i were to go to a bar and volutarily go in a car with some guys i just met, i wouldn’t be all over the news. i HATE people who go around bashing aruba for what this self centered stupid girl did. if she wasn’t an american and on a school trip, would you still be boycotting this island? if she was from aruba and was drunk and this happened o her would you be boycotting the island? i don’t think so. i go back to aruba every year and it just gets better. sure the people there feel bad for what happened, but why try and ruin the lives of thousands of innocent, good people for what one stupid, drunk girl did? seriously, just stop the boycott and let them live in peace again.

    85. Nut44x4 on July 4th, 2007 3:14 pm


    86. Scared Monkeys on July 8th, 2007 10:12 pm

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    87. me on February 17th, 2009 12:19 pm

      Get real kids… downfall of tourism has nothing to do with natalee. Follow some economics classes and u might figure it out… maybe actually go down to the island you seem to have so much to see from your chair in your parents basement… get a life, seriously….

    88. me on February 17th, 2009 12:23 pm

      and for the record… natalee did not deserve to die… but she took risks which no where in the world one should… the US has missing people’s reports on a daily bases and who cares? You people should get up and do somthing about that before talking shit about countries who are working with what they have. Check out CNN for one day and see how corrupted your own government is… Maybe you haven’t noticed, with the global crisis, aruba is doing moderate compared tp your own country, who caused this whole crisis in the first place. So again, get off your chair, get a life, and maybe some education while your at it…

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