Queens Visit to Aruba: If you Can’t Make it Safe for the Queen … Who Can You Make it Safe For?


Atan Lee, former head Protocol, seems to think that the upcoming Queen’s visit to Aruba in CnCOduberQueennot safe. Which begs the question … if Aruba takes liberties with the Queens’s safety, what would they do with everyone else’s? Arubans and tourists alike.

Besides, Plaza Daniel Leo is not safe; it is surrounded by high-rise.  A person can easily commit an assault on the Queen’s life.

Plaza Daniel Leo is unsafe for Royal visit”, indicated Atan Lee, former head Protocol.

Atan Lee also touches on what seems to be a definite rift and existing problem between The Dutch and Aruba. As seen with the “guaranteed loan” squabble that is presently going on, Lee makes the comment that, “You don’t get a feeling that the island is celebrating.” Let’s just hope the Queen stays away from certain bars in Aruba. They may pose more of a safety issue than Plaza Daniel Leo.


It is a huge contrast with the current program.  “The program is created in such way that we show our Queen, and via the media the Dutch population, that we are in a very poor situation.  When I was in charge of doing this, I always made sure that the Queen and the media take with them a piece of our alegria.

Of course the Arubans are always quick to say its safe, where have we heard this before?Caution2

 The chairwoman of the committee that is in charge of the preparation for the Queen’s visit, Ella Tromp-Yarzagaray indicated that the Government Information Service considers the route and the plaza safe.

The spokesperson of the police indicated that the police had indeed advised against Plaza Daniel Leo.  “There are too many high-rise around the plaza.  There is a risk that somebody might shoot a firearm from those buildings.”  The committee said that the Queens own security people have approved the location. 

Amigoe, November 2, 2006: Program Queen’s visit not put together right 

There are a lot of high-rise around Plaza Daniel Leo, including the Renaissance Hotel.  The police says that there is a risk that might shoot a firearm from those buildings. Foto: Mirte de Rozario

ORANJESTAD – “The program for the Queen’s visit to Aruba is bad.  You don’t get a feeling that the island is celebrating.  Besides, the population would hardly get a chance to see the Queen at close quarters.  Plaza Daniel Leo is unsafe for Royal visit”, indicated Atan Lee, former head Protocol. 

Lee managed the government service that was in charge of protocol matters 16 years ago.  The entire country was celebrating during earlier visits of the Queen.  “All the schools performed aubades and the members of the Royal Family would meet the population in festive settings.  Also the Dutch media got a positive impression of our island.”     

It is a huge contrast with the current program.  “The program is created in such way that we show our Queen, and via the media the Dutch population, that we are in a very poor situation.  When I was in charge of doing this, I always made sure that the Queen and the media take with them a piece of our alegria.   


The places the Queen is going to visit are not suitable.  Especially the location of the public festivities on Tuesday evening; it is too small, according to him.  “Imagine you are leaving from Fort Zoutman, along the back of the town hall to Plaza Daniel Leo.  The route is full with stages.  Just a small part of our island may get a chance to see the Queen at close quarters this way.”  Besides, Plaza Daniel Leo is not safe; it is surrounded by high-rise.  A person can easily commit an assault on the Queen’s life. 


The chairwoman of the committee that is in charge of the preparation for the Queen’s visit, Ella Tromp-Yarzagaray indicated that the Government Information Service considers the route and the plaza safe.    Also the police was of the opinion that the space of the celebration is too small, but the solution for that is that the show will continue even after the Queen leaves.  The shows will be repeated several times till 22:00. 

The police will also man the barricades as much as possible to prevent people from parking their cars behind them and make it impossible to get away in case of emergency.  The spokesperson of the police indicated that the police had indeed advised against Plaza Daniel Leo.  “There are too many high-rise around the plaza.  There is a risk that somebody might shoot a firearm from those buildings.”  The committee said that the Queens own security people have approved the location.

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  • Comments

    241 Responses to “Queens Visit to Aruba: If you Can’t Make it Safe for the Queen … Who Can You Make it Safe For?”

    1. JusticeforNatalee on November 2nd, 2006 10:00 am

      Meeting: Questions and Answers

      Courtesy Debbie/BFN


    2. JusticeforNatalee on November 2nd, 2006 10:06 am

      More Questions and Answers

      Go to page 24 and Scroll down to FloridaDoug’s comment


    3. Scared Monkeys on November 2nd, 2006 10:22 am

      Haven’t many of these questions already been asked & answered?

      It is somethimes hard to remember as many of the tel calls I have with Dave & Beth are for back ground and off the record.

      Of course there has been misinformation spread by several with an agenda on the internet, but we should always take the individual and site’s with a grain of salt and consider the source.


    4. MIss-Underestimated on November 2nd, 2006 10:28 am

      I guess “Long live the Queen” will not be appropriate for her highnesses visit to Aruba, since Aruba is questioning her saftey there. Maybe the could have “Let’s try to Protect the Queen”

      BTW Aruba need quick cash…there is still a reward for Natalee.

    5. airgame12 on November 2nd, 2006 10:32 am

      So whats the real deal with the court date yesterday??
      Was it all just smoke and mirror’s, or did they actually go to court? Would like to know, if you know.
      Thanks, Mike

    6. MIss-Underestimated on November 2nd, 2006 10:33 am

      When was the last time the Queen visited Aruba?
      Some more PR going on here?

    7. Scared Monkeys on November 2nd, 2006 10:49 am


      I will be doing more of a detailed FP post later when I can confirm a couple more facts, but the truth is the meeting did not occur. Was canceled, postponed … airplane issues being heard as the reason. Which makes e think back to a previous court date last year where the same thing happened. Gee, are there not more than 1 flight a day between Curacao and Aruba?

      Reminds one of the dog ate my homework.

      This is only an opinion … but I would say it may have occurred because of the following reasons:

      1. If the judge had made a ruling and took the Kalpoes off the suspect list it would have created a media event. MSM would have been forced to go to Dave & Beth and get a reaction. This would have created more negative publicity for Aruba.

      2. If the judge ruled to keep the suspects on the list, this too would have created the need to ask Dave & Beth for a reaction and put the story back in the news. Of course the position of many would be … how can you take people off the list now, just when Dutch cold case people are investigating.

      3. One does wonder why they did not do this now as the American public is distracted with midterm and Kerry’s comments, that has been Aruba’s MO. Like when they let the suspects free during labor day.

      4. The best was for Aruba in their minds to not create a media event may have been to just blow it off and pretend like it never happened to avoid and more bad media. Gee, that would never take place in Aruba.

      Then again … maybe it was really a plane issue. Hard to imagine, but this is Aruba.


    8. airgame12 on November 2nd, 2006 10:53 am

      Thanks Red,
      You would think that there is more than one plane, but as you said, this is Aruba. And one would think that this would have been the perfect chance for them to do one of the other because of the election’s, with the outside chance that the MSM wouldnt have been too bad. Hell, John Kerry made sure of that for them. Guess we will see!

    9. JusticeforNatalee on November 2nd, 2006 11:06 am

      Did Anita wear her “special blouse” for the Queen’s visit?

    10. NM on November 2nd, 2006 11:30 am

      I understand the judge gave up his seat on the plane to decrepid old woman, carry a huge, heavy suitcase full of cocaine. j/k, and that it was julia!! j/k again

    11. mayan_moons on November 2nd, 2006 12:03 pm

      Is it just me or does the concern about the Queen’s safety come off as more of a threat? Here’s an idea Aruba, put sharp shooters on the highrises.

    12. Minnesota Dad on November 2nd, 2006 12:23 pm


      You are right on track here. There were no plane troubles.

      Dutch Antilles Express flies 12 flights daily between Curacao and Aruba. It is a 30 minute flight. You cannot tell me that the judge couldn’t have delayed the court time and jumped a later plane if his plane had issues.

      Aruba got smart. To have attempted to pull the Kalpoes out of this was going to make this case overshadow even our current elections.

      Don’t be surprised however if on NOVEMBER 8, the morning following our national elections, that suddenly the judges plane works just fine and that he flies in, passes judgement, and our MSM does not pick up on it because of all of the turmoil and lawsuits created when the Republicans hold the house and congress and the loser dems go back to their mantra of the Republicans cheat…completely added by MSM hacks that are so dismayed that they weren’t able to turn the election.

      This makes sense. Put off the court date for a week and then sneak the Kalpoes out under the cover of election chaos here in the US.

      By the way, has anyone heard if the Dutch investigators have voided judgements made to protect and insulate Paulus from this case? Kind of hard to solve a crime when you aren’t going to go through the effort of bringing the main perp back in….md


      SM: could not have stated it better … ;)


    13. MIss-Underestimated on November 2nd, 2006 12:45 pm

      Hey Mrs Queen of Aruba, what do you think this means?
      Does this make you feel safe on your island? Mrs. Queen what body? Why did they refer to Natalee Holloway as a body?
      What does Jorans statement mean?

      Deepak said ‘If I knew where the BODY was I would tell you”. Joran said to Deepak/Satish “When they find the girl, then they will see the shit’.

      Aruba will crumble like the natutal bridge did, Give Natalee Holloway back to her family.

    14. dennisintn on November 2nd, 2006 12:50 pm

      #l2, md, you hit the nail on the head several times. if the dutch only have the work left in the files by a.l.e., they’re not going to be able to legally solve the case either.

    15. JusticeforNatalee on November 2nd, 2006 1:19 pm

      Aruba: unsafe for the Queen

      Aruba: embarrassment to Holland

    16. Richard on November 2nd, 2006 1:31 pm

      I still suspect that the judge’s absence reflected a lack of certainty about what the Dutch are going to do … and maybe the Dutch have spread the hint that they don’t want the Kalpoes taken off the suspect list. Maybe that would interfere with something they’re planning to do.

      Or maybe the Arubans, etc. wouldn’t dare do anything without getting the Dutch imprimatur in advance.

      As for the queen … hey, if something should happen, blame it on her family.

    17. vicki on November 2nd, 2006 1:53 pm

      If I wasnt ever going back to lieruba, I would put on my boycott aruba tshirt and try and get in the queens face… Who knows if she knows anything about Natalee.That place needs a rude awakening.

    18. bleachedblack on November 2nd, 2006 1:54 pm

      IMO the court date for D + S was likely strategically postponed, and as Red said,”wait until November 8th…..the morning following national elections”. Once the visit of Queen Beatrix is completed on the 7th, the situation will be different. Intent is not to dreg up any current reminders of the Holloway case while the Queen is in town.

    19. joe bear on November 2nd, 2006 2:12 pm

      God save the Queen.Joe

    20. Roy on November 2nd, 2006 3:12 pm

      Maybe Deepak can get some good PR by escorting Queenie by the elbow back to his car after some clubbing….If no Joran to go with him for a little pre-planned sex before Deepak does his thing (Fairly sure he knows the routine) perhaps Mansur’s lawyers have played that card out….Oduber used his card in the parliamentary elections shortly after Natalee disappeared…Got to keep his job and the AVP out but has done nothing credible to provide justice since….F/U OD1 Maybe the queen rodent would like to play Natalee in another re-enactment….maybe Aruba can grant GVC’s wish to be a movie star and let him get some tube time this time. Dompig won’t have to record it all this time nor will he have to steer the evidence for his puppeteers…It’ll be a re-enactment…Fake as fake can get!
      Clear the Kalpoes as suspects????? I guess that would about complete Aruba’s cover-up….Of course it’s just my opinion that Deepak killed Natalee as he was directed to, then manipulated some dumb-ass Sloots/friends into one grotesque disposal of her remains…. At this point, why not…There was never gonna be a trial for these punk bastards anyway so you might as well clear them, then let the Mansur’s, the Queen, and all their filthy lawyers get on with some tea and start planning the next parliamentary elections and how to regain the power/influence they once enjoyed in aruba.
      Try this one on aruba/ How about a mishap involving a young American tourist…Make it a female… Make sure she’s blonde…That will not bode well for tourism and will surely turn public opinion away from it’s current regime….Get your man in the top spot…make the right appointments, then perhaps you can regain control over the drug trade, the porn industry, shipping thru the FTZ, and the Mansur’s can get LaPlaya back.
      BTW….Nice to see you all again!

    21. Amsterdamned on November 2nd, 2006 3:36 pm

      Aruba is very safe for the Queen, she is not drinking ,flirting , smoking, gambling , dancing with the locals in a obscure etablishment. it is a streetwise queen, she knows better


      SM: Hmm … The ATA promotes drinking, gambling and dancing as part of the attractions of Aruba. Natalee was of age to drink & gamble … your boy Joran VDS was not. Don’t ever forget that.


      So Aruba best stop promoting Carlos & Charlies as a tourist spot now, shouldn’t they? Obscure establishment? C&C’s??? Who are you kidding? Or are you referring to the HI where guests stay?You are saying that its not safe to drink, gamble or dance on Aruba? First think you have said right in a long time.

      Also … So the QUEEN is streetwise and knows better than to go to CnC?   The QUEEN knows that Aruba is unsafe for tourists?


    22. MIss-Underestimated on November 2nd, 2006 4:14 pm

      I guess the Elixior Casino and HI are obsure too.
      Not to mention every square foot of the island.

      Aruba best stop promoting all that drinkin, dancin, gamblin, and flirtin, dat put all da money in the Arubans pockets, since its not a safe place to go.

      Hey A-damned, what time did Paulus pick up Joran 11 pm or 4AM? Why did Paulus say body and crime in the same sentence? Why did Deepak say body? Why did Joran say if they find the girl I will laugh?

    23. JusticeforNatalee on November 2nd, 2006 4:19 pm

      If Joran had stayed home the night of May 29, Natalee Holloway would be alive today.

    24. Libby on November 2nd, 2006 4:20 pm

      Post #7 SM….couldn’t have said it better myself. You are absolutely correct. If they took the K brothers off the suspect list, it would gain media attention. If they didn’t, again it would gain media attention. They are just going to keep putting it off and putting it off pretending it never really happened.

      We know what happened Aruba! Your continual blowing smoke up our asses isn’t going to make it go away on our end.

    25. joe bear on November 2nd, 2006 4:25 pm


    26. Scared Monkeys on November 2nd, 2006 4:31 pm

      Check this post again … we made an update to it … think you will like the pic,


    27. dennisintn on November 2nd, 2006 4:52 pm

      snipers on the hi-rises? why? just recommend c&c’s for the dancing and good times. another “vanishment” could very easily happen. no blame, no crime, no queen.

    28. SUPER DAVE on November 2nd, 2006 4:54 pm

      #21: the dutch probably meant that the so-called queen is not safe around people like you !

    29. SUPER DAVE on November 2nd, 2006 4:59 pm

      so the queen roams the streets too ?

    30. mayan_moons on November 2nd, 2006 6:34 pm

      lol Could someone get the jaws of life so A-Damned can get his foot out of his mouth? TIA!

    31. Dave on November 2nd, 2006 6:51 pm

      LOL Amsterdamned must be related to John Kerry

    32. Carpe Noctem on November 2nd, 2006 7:00 pm

      Aruba will never be safe as long as the murdering,
      raping, flunky judge and his assassin of a son,
      Joran remain free!

      The Van der Rapes and the KalPones MUST BE DEALT

      Justice 4 Natalee!

    33. Carpe Noctem on November 2nd, 2006 7:05 pm

      #9 ROFLMAO Justice for Natalee

      Peekabooooooo SPORTER…

      Wahooooo BRA-ROOBA!!!

    34. viet vet on November 2nd, 2006 7:07 pm

      Dennis Jacobs will probably guarantee safety for the Queen, after he asks how much money she has for him. And as for obscure, the whole island is obscure. Unsafe any place on the rock.

    35. IndyDan on November 2nd, 2006 7:08 pm

      The Queen is more than safe, she’s not the target age for exploitation amongst the predators that rule and run Aruba. The sexual carnivores on Aruba are more interested in young innocent American girls.
      The kind they can drug, rape, film and deliver back to their hotel just in time to catch their flights back home. That’s the major sport in Aruba. And right now the standings are PIMPS 20 – VISITORS 1.
      The Queen has nothing to worry about.

    36. IndyDan on November 2nd, 2006 9:22 pm

      Hey Vet: All the Queen has to do is bring a dozen Krispie Kreems and she’ll have the lard ass jacobs on a leash like a show dog!

    37. yoyo muffintop on November 2nd, 2006 11:42 pm

      JusticeforNatalee – just read the “meeting” thing, I would not necessarily trust that. Those questions are as bad as ALE’s and the answers should be suspect.

      And IndyDan – Talk about the pot calling the kettle black…

    38. Carpe Noctem on November 2nd, 2006 11:56 pm

      The situation is clear; Natalee’s family cannot move forward, and Aruba will not be allowed to move forward, until the truth is known.

      It is vital for the sake of Arubans that this case be solved.

      ….The dirty and ever-rotting onions that are only a few persons in ARUBA & HOLLAND are known, & with ever growing organization being patiently and methodically peeled deeper and deeper, to reveal their inevitably exposed, transparent, rotting, stinking, corrupted cores….

      -World Journier


    39. Carpe Noctem on November 3rd, 2006 12:06 am

      To all those who have fallen in love with Natalee Holloway, and fully support her family in their search for the truth…

      Keep swinging those “hammers” each day!

      Justice will come,
      it can not be denied.


      Help us get to the truth Aruba.


    40. yoyo muffintop on November 3rd, 2006 12:29 am

      So I am surfing BFN, which by the way isn’t half as good as SM, and I come across a topic called “Solid Facts: Do We Know of Any?” And I get to page 2,first post, and low and behold…

      airgame12, oh airgame12, where are you airgame12?

      You posted the exact same post on 10/30 in the “Halloween…Aruba Style” topic here(#59, I thought it looked familiar). You didn’t credit the guy who actually wrote it, you owned it. You copy/pasted this guys post as your own! You ripped this guy off. That low, dude.

      and not paulus in the casino…

    41. Richard on November 3rd, 2006 5:52 am

      Maybe I’ll write to the queen and send her some “Boycott Aruba” stickers. They’d certainly spice up mail from the palace, don’t you think?

    42. MIss-Underestimated on November 3rd, 2006 8:43 am

      RE 23

      I think if Anita stayed home Natalee would have left Aruba alive. Joran said to Anita if you stayed home this wouldn’t have happened. What happened Joran?

    43. Carpe Noctem on November 3rd, 2006 9:37 am


      (with substitutes that night)

      What Did Deepak Kalpoe Tell Investigators?
      Aired December 1, 2005 – 20:00:00 Â   ET

      select quotes:

      VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I think it was significant because it gave us something to kind of try and put this mystery into context. If we decided or determined that these three young men had sex with her and has possibly raped her, then that`s a crime that occurred and it provides a motive. Without that, you go back to this total blank mystery. She disappears.

      One thing I will say is nobody in this case, besides the mother, Beth Twitty, has much credibility. You have the Aruban government and the authorities botching the case at the very beginning. They didn`t arrest these young men for 10 days, giving them a chance to get their stories together. These young men originally pointed to some security guards and tried to blame it all on them, lied repeatedly.

      DIMOND: Right.

      VELEZ-MITCHELL: Joran Van Der Sloot, the chief suspect, changed his story 22 times. So who do you believe?

      DIMOND: Well, we have a spokesperson with the Aruban task force coming up, but I want to get to Beth Holloway Twitty immediately. Beth, thanks for being with us TONIGHT. What do you make of this controversy? I mean, did the Dr. Phil show perhaps edit that incorrectly? I mean, did you ever hear the whole tape?

      BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S MOTHER: I do. I have the entire — the tape in its entirety, and I have reviewed it just over and over again. One thing, though, that I — you know, that is consistent in all of these tapes is he says, You`d be surprised how simple it was that night. I mean, you cannot miss that on the copy that I have. And it just wouldn`t make sense for him to say that she did not have sex with them, you would be surprised how simple it was that night. It just doesn`t fit.

      DIMOND: But Beth, when we look at the tape, the raw tape that we got our hands on today — we got it from the Aruban authorities — there is a – - the fan up in the ceiling — the camera`s at an odd angle — and it seems to be twirling correctly, and there doesn`t seem to be an edit in the tape. And when he`s asked the question, Did you have sex, you see the back of Kalpoe`s head shaking no. Is that what you saw on the original tape?

      TWITTY: Well, I think what Jug and Dave and I were coming to when we were watching that, it`s almost as if Deepak catches Mr. Skeeters off guard by responding, She did, and then he responds — then he responds as if — as if an affirmation of, No, she did, you`d be surprised how simple it was that night.

      DIMOND: So you believe that this boy and the other two likely did have sex with your daughter.

      TWITTY: Well, we know one thing for sure, Diane, is Deepak — is Joran Van Der Sloot has admitted to having sex with my daughter in one of his statements. We do know that. So the Aruban government has audio and videotape of these confessions coming from Joran Van Der Sloot.

      Source: http://tinyurl.com/w5lmw

      Why does an innocent man have to change his
      story 22 times???


      “We’ve done this 20 times before, never had anything go wrong before.”

      FOX — GRETA 3/2006 Interview


      You know lying to the police was… was wrong, stupid, just oh, and you know everything was just, everything that YOU did, everything that YOU did, you know, I had a long time to think about all my friends and about my… about my girlfriend. I mean I had a girlfriend at the time too. I mean, you know, YOU go to… YOU got to think about all that stuff.  



      Thank YOU, MR FRIGGIN WIZARD!!!!!!!!!!



      And you’re like, you know, what, you know what are YOU doing? Because it was… it was a normal… it was a normal thing for us to do, you know, go to our friends, go to the beach, talk to American tourists, you know, then go out with them and have a good time and, you know, nothing… nothing ever bad has ever happened. I mean it’s happened probably 20, 20 times nothing has ever gone wrong.  



      This guy doesn’t even really believe he lied to the police or did anything wrong!

      Note when talking about lying to police he says

      “It was a normal thing to go out and have a good time with American tourists.”

      READ: It was a normal thing to stalk, drug, and rape them the night before they catch their plane. We drop ‘em off and the beach and call it a night!

      “It’s probably happened 20 times, and nothing has ever gone wrong.”

      READ: It’s probably happened 50 times, and nothing ever went so wrong that we killed anyone like we did with Natalee.

      Because she was probably fighting back and beating
      their sorry asses.



      Aruba WE NEED THE TRUTH….

      …the Van der Rapes
      and the Kalpoes still have it.

      It is time to get it from them
      and put an end to the nightmare!

      Maybe you can discuss THAT WITH YOUR QUEEN?


    44. viet vet on November 3rd, 2006 10:14 am

      It is hard to imagine what the Queen hopes to find in Aruba. She would get more out of just flying over the island and looking down. What you see is all you get and if you land and anything gets lost, it will never be found. On my trips there, I lost(and/or were stolen from my room) two cell phones and most of my luggage. ALE spent more time watching us than they did trying to solve the case. One thing the Queen may find is that if anything does happen, it will be covered up very quickly and very completely. Justice for Natalee and God save the Queen.

    45. airgame12 on November 3rd, 2006 11:21 am

      Hey yoyo,
      Kiss my ass!!! You wouldnt know what credit or the truth was if it bit you on the ass. Which one would think wouldnt be hard as your all ass. Which I could have a meeting with you, would love to show you something that I think most of us would. But then we all know that your a chicken shit that hides in his house behind his mommies skirt and talk shit on the computer. Pussy!

    46. JusticeforNatalee on November 3rd, 2006 11:54 am

      HEY ARUBA,





    47. yoyo muffintop on November 3rd, 2006 11:57 am

      airgame12 – did you write that last post or did you copy it from someone else? Truth hurts, don’t it? Hahahaha.

      Now back to the Queen – non story, same concerns with dignitaries in most countries. But if you’re gonna be a Queen, might as well be the Queen of Amsterdam. Think she gets free space cakes and hangs out smokin’ doobs at the Bullfrog when she visits?

    48. Carpe Noctem on November 3rd, 2006 12:27 pm

      You should treat her to a free ambush & gangrape from Paulus and Joran at
      Carlos and Charlies!!!

      Give her that true Aruba
      style E X P E R I E N C E!

      She won’t be back for a while you know!!!

    49. Carpe Noctem on November 3rd, 2006 12:51 pm
    50. Dave on November 3rd, 2006 12:53 pm

      now that we finally got rid of the troll johnm we have to put up with this yoyo brainless muffinTroll. jeeez does it ever end with these idiots?


    51. Gary on November 3rd, 2006 12:56 pm

      Are Joran and/or K2 responsible for Natalee disappearance and likely death? Yes!

      It will always be the most likely possibility. The fact that it can’t be proven beyond a reasonable doubt doesn’t change the probabilities of the situation. Here are the probabilities as I see them:

      What happened to Natalee?

      Natalee is dead ——- 95%
      Natalee was kidnapped — 3%
      Natalee ran away ——- 2%

      How did Natalee die?

      Murdered —- 75%
      Drug overdose 15%
      Manslaughter 5%
      Natual causes 5%

      If killed, who killed Natalee?

      Joran by himself —— 70%
      Joran with K2 ——— 10%
      K2 by themselves —— 10%
      Joran with Paulus —– 5%
      Some unknown person — 5%

      Changes that Joran killed Natalee by himself:

      .95 x .75 x .70 = 50%

      By any definition, that is not guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

      If Joran killed Natalee alone, he probably killed her on the beach. If so, how did he dispose of her body?

      Put her in dumpster ——– 40%
      Swam her out to sea ——– 20%
      Buried her somewhere close – 15%
      Walked home & got help from Paulus or someone else other than K2 ——————– 15%
      Got help from K2 ———– 10%

      If she died on the beach of an accidental overdose, the numbers are similar except the odds are much higher that Paulus helped him. Paulus would have assumed that a death combined with semen would have been very incriminating whether or not her death was accidental or murder.

    52. John on November 3rd, 2006 1:24 pm

      The Queens safety? Oh my god she will get killed by mad arubians, oh no wait Holloway fanatics! Let it go, the Dutch have covered this case for the golden boy Joran Van Der Sloot and there’s no way there’s any justice going to happen in this case, wake up!

    53. mayan_moons on November 3rd, 2006 1:49 pm

      Hey Carpe!

      I’ve been pouring over the pond scene stills & been wanting to talk with you about them. Halloween has NOTHING on Aruba in terms of true horrors!

      Does anyone have a pic of Rene, the crematorium operator? Whats the name of the other non Wever Funeral Homes on Aruba anyone? I’ve tried to find out but no luck so far.

    54. mayan_moons on November 3rd, 2006 1:56 pm

      Its said that there are 4 funeral homes…..i’d like to get a comple list of all obituaries from ALL 4 but i’ve not had the time to search them out.

    55. Carpe Noctem on November 3rd, 2006 2:17 pm

      Hiya Mayan…

      Anytime you want to chat about the 510-24 scenes, you know where to find me…

      Anytime! No problem.


      Yes, I believe Waterboy and 1006 said there were 4 in total.

      My money is on the Wever boy and family.

      You guys are right though, all avenues should be fully checked out. Check ‘em out Grande style?




      Some Aruba News

      I scratched up today…


      Apparently, Nov 2nd, 2006

      Netherlands loaned them 50 Mil. more florins?

      Source: Amigoe




      ORANJESTAD, Aruba, Fri. Nov. 3, 2006: Queen Beatrix I of the Netherlands is set to pay an official visit to dependent territory Aruba, from November 6th through 7th.

      The Queen is set to arrive on Monday at 10 a.m. at the international airport named after her, where she will be welcomed by Governor Fredis Refunjol and Prime Minister Nelson Oduber.

      This will be followed by military honors and inspection of the honor guard. She will spend the rest of the day touring before being hosted at a private reception by the governor later that evening.

      On Tuesday, November 7, the Queen is set to visit the Centrale Bank van Aruba where she will meet with the CBA executives and the council of ministers.

      Queen Beatrix became the Queen of the Netherlands in 1980. According to Forbes in 2005, the Queen’s personal wealth was estimated at $4.7 billion


      Source: I dunno


    56. airgame12 on November 3rd, 2006 2:24 pm

      Hey yoyo  {{edit}} boy,
      Why dont we meet up so I can teach you how to be a real person instead of a troll as you are. Or can you not get you nose out of your mommies {{edit}} since your still hiding behind her skirt!


      SM:Â   Enough of the name calling (klaasend)

    57. mayan_moons on November 3rd, 2006 2:26 pm

      Carpe! the closeup you got on the bodies entertwined is one of the most bizarro things i’ve ever seen! Are these masks or what? The eyes in these stills are soo eerie. Has everyone downloaded Carpe’s photo album….one of the new stills is my contribution. I’ve looked at video 24 over a hundred times, going frame by frame & i never saw this body in the bushes until last week.

      Hey Carpe!

      The way the body is positioned in the bushes but with the shoes still visable leads me to think that the person video taping was heard approaching & the body was drug into the bushes, in their haste they didn’t pull the body in far enough thus leaving the shoe’s visable at the bushes edge. This is very interesting as it dovetails with something i stated months ago, that i saw person(s) hiding in the bushes. I said this coz in going frame by frame in the bushes area i saw what appeared to me to be a person going from a stooped over position to a squatting position as if they heard someone approaching & didn’t want to be seen. These person(s) are wearing white & i’ve seen them in another area of bushes near those flags.

    58. Carpe Noctem on November 3rd, 2006 3:29 pm

      I think you are very correct Miss Mayan

      We’ve said between the two of us a million times

      …but we’ll continue to keep on tooting the figurative


      To all reasonable please listen!

      We need your help!


      510-24 Contains what I believe multiple dead humans
      stuffed in one big ugly bag in the bottom of the
      Marrriott Palm Beach Aruba Water Basin.
      This bag contains what I believe
      to be the remains of Natalee

      Plus, ( gosh I am so sorry Holloway-Twittys – I know this has to be gut wrenching for you – I want to cry, and cringe everytime I think about it too – It must be 1,000 times worse for you – I am so sorry – We pray for you guys a lot )

      Plus, -I THINK- they included remains of parts of others to thoroughly confuse the ARUBA’S
      pathetic excuse for a
      forensics department!


      Does Aruba even have one?

      What is it crafted of…

      a test tube, a Bunsen Burner,
      a hot plate, tweezers,
      and salad tongs???

      Cut us a break Aruba & Holland!


      The bag and what I believe may be another gangbang rape actually happening ON VIDEO down by the water’s edge
      in the 510-24 ARUBA VIDEO is widely
      available and downloadable off the Internet.

      It is 1 of 38 or 39 ARUBAY Videos made during
      the Natalee Holloway botched investigation and cover up
      to protect INEXPLICABLY the Dutch Kid – His Father
      and the 2 fake taxi drivers they hired for that night.

      It should thoroughly be imaged by the best imaging and computing forensics team America can put forth!!!!!!!!


      Her family deserves JUSTICE, and it is plainly obvious.

      18 MONTHS

      on the limp wristed, mealy mouthed
      DUTCH and ARUBANS… (this is how I feel here)

      it is much akin to watching

      Only about 10 times more aggravating…

      and throw a snowed in 4 week
      winter’s vacation
      with an annoying
      grouchy, pain in the ass

      Now you are just getting
      started to know how the average
      American feels waiting for L-A-D-Y
      J-U-S-T-I-C-E to finally drop
      in the hammer in the
      ARUBA –


      It is a complete outrage…

      We are over the soap opera…

      TO COME for the
      Holloway-Twitty families.



    59. viet vet on November 3rd, 2006 4:44 pm

      The PM of Aruba should schedule a meeting between Mr. Pink(the Queen of Drag) and Beatrix the Queen of Amsterdam. They could have a really royal time. Bring yoyo for muffins. Dennis Jacobs would have the crabs.

    60. mayan_moons on November 3rd, 2006 6:31 pm

      *will never look at salad tongs the same way again!*

    61. Maggie on November 3rd, 2006 6:32 pm

      So Joran didn’t go to school on Monday and yet he said he told Natalee.

      VAN DER SLOOT: Well, I mean I had — I had to go to school the next day. I was close to my exams to do my final exams and, you know, the bus was picking me up at 6:40 a.m. I mean I had to go home and I didn’t want my dad to go into my room and see I’m not there or anything like that, so I mean I had to go home. So, yes, at one point I told her, you know, it’s time to go back to your hotel and she was just like, “No, let’s stay here. Let’s look at the stars.” She was just saying, you know, “Stay here with me. Just stay here with me the whole night. Tomorrow I have to go back anyway” and, you know, that’s — that’s what we were talking about.

      BTW I will entertain that isn’t Paulus if shown proof it isn’t. Please provide it.

      The Queen’s not in danger. They come with all kinds of security and paid servants. Young females are the targets to drug and fathers of missing teens, just ask Dave. Wonder if she can find an airplane the will fly her or will they be to busy for her also? Let’s hope she don’t want to be left on the beach at the Fisherman’s Huts at 3 am alone to look at stars also. Spaceships have been known to beam people up when that happens.

    62. Maggie on November 3rd, 2006 6:36 pm

      Nice that Kelmal talked about her husband all the time, when it was JohnM. Knew it was JohnM when I told them, they were, they never did deny it.

      Joran didn’t go to school on Monday, but his reason for going home from the beach was he said he told Natalee he was doing exams, studying for exams and had to get home to get on the bus at 6:40. Truth be told they never even went to bed that night or the next morning.

    63. IndyDan on November 3rd, 2006 7:46 pm

      All, ignoring the trolls drives them crazy. Trust me, they single you out with a comment just to get a response, but when you ignore that comment it drives them up the wall. It makes them look silly and desparate. That’s why these morons exist, just to get the attention they lack elsewhere. Don’t give them attention and they starve to death.

    64. gulf to bay on November 3rd, 2006 8:57 pm

      Van der sloots have no credibility they know they world knows. Question is will the dutch enforce the laws that are meant to be enforced or will they look the other way. The law should be enforced not manipulated. It is so obvious. Justice for natlee holloway and eternal misery for those who harmed her and denied her justice. How dare you. No mercy for the evil.

    65. yoyo muffintop on November 3rd, 2006 10:02 pm

      Here we go again with IndyDan’s lecture on trolls – I always look forward to it ’cause it’s soooo insightful. So you say ignore the “trolls” every time a “troll” posts. So, in essence you are responding to the “trolls” – Brilliant.

      Maggie – who said he didn’t go to school on monday? Now do we add another layer of conspiracy in this with the Head Master covering, and more than likely teachers as well(should have been asked, but this is ALE)? Wow, gettin’ deeper – up to about 60 people that are covering now? And not a space alien, but maybe they guy that attacked a woman 9 days earlier, visitors from that Venezuela and other islands for the concert(radar might not have been working), and many other possibilities. Something happened to Natalee at the hands of a stranger is not out of the realm of possibility.

    66. IndyDan on November 3rd, 2006 10:55 pm

      Stepping back for a minute — The Queen, geesh what year is it anyway?

    67. Maggie on November 3rd, 2006 10:59 pm

      This page.. says another fact Joran did not go to school.


      It’s not out of the realm of possibility that an alien kidnapped her either, but going by logic, statistics and noone ever seeing any of them at the beach that night and all the lies about her and what happened..and the whole story for the past 17 months, my money is on those 4, 100%.

    68. IndyDan on November 3rd, 2006 10:59 pm

      Wonder if the Queen has a daughter she’d like to introduce the TaterHead VanderSloot? Doubt they’re on the same level.

    69. Maggie on November 3rd, 2006 11:00 pm

      That’s if you believe the beach story, I don’t!

    70. IndyDan on November 3rd, 2006 11:05 pm

      #50 – Dave – in a weird sort of way, these idiots keep us strong. They’re just too stupid to know it.


      SM:   :)    Want me to bring GretaMal/Johnm back?   LOLOL :) (klaasend)

    71. JusticeforNatalee on November 3rd, 2006 11:29 pm

      LOL Richard #41

      That would be a hoot and would surely make your point!

    72. yoyo muffintop on November 3rd, 2006 11:56 pm

      “Stepping back for a minute — The Queen, geesh what year is it anyway?” – too funny!
      Why the hell do king/queen/prince/princess even exist anymore is right. It’s is such a way outdated concept. This royalty stuff is crap – queen of the netherlands, or anywhere else – please…

    73. molly on November 4th, 2006 12:11 am

      Richard, get the addy and go ahead and do it. Mail the Queen some stickers.

      molly (in Houston)

    74. molly on November 4th, 2006 12:12 am

      Whatever is the Queen visiting for anyway? To see the sharks? To see if they want to own Aruba or dump it?

      molly (in Houston)

    75. molly on November 4th, 2006 12:18 am

      And puleeez, klasaand, no pallmalls.

      molly (in Houston)

    76. mayan_moons on November 4th, 2006 12:39 am

      lol molly

    77. Gary on November 4th, 2006 1:30 am


      I haven’t listened to the tape for a long time, but there clearly iS no “didn’t” there. It is something that people are just hearing because you want to hear it. And as far as the shaking head goes, it isn’t visible to me and, if it does exist, it means nothing seen from the back as seen on the video. It is impossible to know what the “claimed” headshaking means without seeing Deepak’s facial expression.

      It is too bad that people are hearing and seeing things that are not there since the tape is clear in its meaning. I have written on line and in print about people seeing things in videos that are not there, esp. if they look at it in slow motion.

      I recently wrote about a case that involved a videotaped rape in which half the jurors were eventually convinced not to believe their own eyes by clever defense lawyers and ended up with no verdict.

      During the retrial, the prosecutors mainly concentrated on selecting intelligent jurors and the defendants were convicted the second time around. It is amazing that a second trial was necessary when the videotape proved the defendents who were not only guilty beyond a reasonable doubt but were also guilty beyond ALL doubt. In the closing argument, the prosecutor used my pet phrase in describing the video, “What you see is what you get; believe your own eyes.”

      I feel the same about the Skeeters tape. Seen and heard in its entirety, there is only ONE possible interpretation. Also, why would the former FBI agent Skeeters lie anyways? He didn’t even think the admission was important at the time. He was just trying to convince Deepak to take a lie detector test.

      By concentrating on a single tree (a few words in one sentence) people are losing sight of the forest (Deepak’s admission of considering Natalee to be a slut that he and the others happily ravaged).

      I bet if a hundred persons, unfamilar to the case, viewed the tape, not one would hear Deepak saying he didn’t have sex with Natalee. It would be a great experiment. It’s too bad no one will do it. You are hearing what biased persons have convinced you is on the tape, not what is actually on it.

      Also, many of us tend to think that “wimps” like Deepak and Satish are less likely guilty than the more confident Joran. People, who rape, are often wimps! How much courage does it take to rape a semi-conscious teenage girl? It is very easy for me to believe that all three suspects ravaged a helpless Natalee (in Joran’s pad) before she was taken to the beach (or somewhere else) and killed or allowed to die–perhaps of a drug overdose. K2 may look innocent, but they are monsters in their hearts just like Joran.

    78. Carpe Noctem on November 4th, 2006 6:45 am

      New day, same song… Muffin.

      18 Months later, everything still lays at the doors murdering Van der Rapes and Kalpoes.

      They are still the main suspects

      Logic keeps taking us back to them.

      “All roads lead us right back to the boys” -Dompig


      Two murdering, raping,
      tourist targeting

      If you live…

      enjoy your stay
      at DIE–RUBA. Wahoo!

      Now hand over your watch,
      wallet, and

    79. Carpe Noctem on November 4th, 2006 7:23 am

      yeah uh, gary…

      How could Deepak
      say “you’d be surprised at how EASY IT WAS that night”

      If he’s claiming they -d-i-d n-o-t- HAVE SEX WITH HER?


      Deepak is a wise a$$, HATING POS.


      If there be any confusion about how Deepak really feels about this case….

      and in general…

      Please read a snip it of his


      I have saved it for you to read here.



      I know it is not a popular opinion… but it is how I feel… after I have watched these pieces of crap continue to lie, and hurt good people ( that do not deserve to be hurt )

      over and OVER… one after another…

      EVERYDAY Deepak, Satish, and Joran wake up and find themselves not executed coming or going on a trip to the local supermarket…




      There is no JUSTICE to be found in Aruba.


    80. Carpe Noctem on November 4th, 2006 7:38 am

      I also am agreeing with Gary. BTW


      He’s right about the WYSIWYG principal.

      It CERTAINTLY may not have been Skeeter’s best work…

      …but what is there, is there if you listen and watch
      and use your common sense.

      Deepak is Deepak. No boubt a doubt it!

    81. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on November 4th, 2006 7:55 am

      To Gary,

      True. Good points.

      To mayan_moons,

      There are at least 2 1906 would know for sure.

      http://www.mementomori.net/month.html (Weaver owned)

      To Viet Vet,

      Point blank—is Natalee an asthmatic?

    82. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on November 4th, 2006 7:58 am


      Good to hear from you! Where is 1906?

    83. Carpe Noctem on November 4th, 2006 11:23 am

      In Aruba, if you look in the correct places,

      People of



      can be traced to their source.


      Me love u long time, baby!



    84. Carpe Noctem on November 4th, 2006 12:16 pm

      What I believe to be a rape or beating
      in progress caught on ARUBAY VIDEO #24 near MARRIOTT



      ( just off to the right down near the water’s edge )


      Van der Rape Island should be closed down for good.


    85. Carpe Noctem on November 4th, 2006 12:51 pm

      Super Blow Ups



      of above photograph

    86. mayan_moons on November 4th, 2006 1:28 pm

      Hey Carpe!

      I won’t mince words Carpe, i’m like you & wish all the ones who hurt Natalee slow painful deaths & in the near future. I didn’t feel that way in the beginning, i just wanted them punished & put in jail for as long time. But day after day of the promises & the lies and the runarround which then led into blaming Natalee & Beth changed all that. Everyone on that island knows what their sons did to Natalee, they know they are criminals.
      They admitted it when they compared Jipshit to OJ stating that no one’s gone after him.

      Think about that statement for minute folks…..that comment is the LAST thing i thought i’d ever hear but after learning of Aruba’s educational standards it made sense.

      Popular or not i wish on them everything they gave Natalee, nothing more, nothing less.

    87. Carpe Noctem on November 4th, 2006 1:30 pm

      Color Inversion / Carpe Nocto-Vision
      (hybrid mix)


      Yowza. Oh my bad, Did I just say that?

    88. mayan_moons on November 4th, 2006 2:35 pm


      Could you put the link here for the free download manager that you posted when your photo album started becoming so large? I had to uninstall last week coz it wasn’t working properly. I like that manager alot & don’t wanna install anything else. Thanks!

    89. Richard on November 4th, 2006 3:31 pm

      Hey Molly (#73), it’s a bit late now … but maybe I’ll mail them when she gets back to Holland. Who knows … maybe after being exposed to Aruba, she won’t need to be urged on.

    90. Carpe Noctem on November 4th, 2006 3:49 pm

      MM – #88

      Yes, ma’am…

      ‘FLOCK’ – It is a Photobucket
      Manager program that is a
      Browser much like

      -a quick and free download, easy to install-



      It makes viewing other people’s Photobooks
      a breeze.

      It also makes uploading to your own PB Accounts
      way easier too, if you happen to have a free
      PHOTOBUCKET account.


      My funny photos are under




      My NATALEE HOLLOWAY evidence type pics

      I have two:

      my main one










    91. mayan_moons on November 4th, 2006 4:54 pm

      thanks mate!

      much appreciated!

      did ya get my email yesterday?

      i sent one of the pond scene stills

      i put all the stills in a folder i’m
      calling Natalee photshop * burned em
      on a disk so i can point out all the
      stuff i see to you. you have been so
      patient looking for the body in the
      bushes,& thanks for you’re confidence
      in me that it was really there.

      Another thing i wanted to ask you is if
      you could try to get close ups of the
      white hearse looking thing at the rocks/
      dunes area. There’s 5 men standing at
      the back of it & guess who i’m seeing?
      Yeah i see our very own sweathog right
      in the middle & the back of the hearse
      is open.

    92. mayan_moons on November 4th, 2006 5:22 pm

      Oh yeah!

      While looking at some stills of the rocks/body recovery area yesterday i saw something i’d not noticed before.
      the still has the person in the blue T-shirt & 2 black dogs in it, no one else. I blew it up & noticed blood
      smears on the stick he/she is holding. Ever notice that?

    93. Carpe Noctem on November 4th, 2006 5:30 pm

      No thanks, Klass…

      Thank you from saving us from the *DEMON SPAWN TROLL*

      He needs 2 B … ( what is the scientific term I am looking 4? )

      Oh yes, ‘B. slapped repeatedly in to submission!’

      Your work is always appreciated from this end, my dear.

      BTW — ‘It’ always claimed to be from Brighton, MI. That is the hometown of the 14 yr old child MAX DEVREES that went missing (murdered?) in ARUBA 2004.

      Roughly 1 year before Natalee was targeted, raped
      and murdered by Joran and the Kalpoes.

      What a classless, and
      mean spirited individual
      that troll is.

      Devree’s ARUBA story
      —link http://tinyurl.com/ymlh6d-


      Wahoo ARUBA




    94. Maggie on November 4th, 2006 6:36 pm

      Look out world, I’m agree with YoYo on monarchy. People built LARGE homes centuries ago and come up with a way(scam) for the taxpayers to legally pay for their eccentric lives and pay all their bills .. for ex. Queen Elizabeth with her 600 plus room Buckingham Palace among how many other castles? Who needs a 600 room house? All paid for by taxpayers. I was reading about how people lay their towels out, run their baths, clean up after them, turn down their beds, lay out their clothes and Prince Charles sits at his desk and drops something on the floor and calls for a servant to come and pick it up. Brings his tray to his chair to eat, probably cuts up his food and then comes and cleans it up, while collecting an ungodly salary. Sad to inform them, they got to this world the same way as all of us and they will leave it the same. Watched and read much history about old kings etc. They put the FUN in dysFUNctional.

    95. dennisintn on November 4th, 2006 7:00 pm

      #65 the stranger on the beach theory ranks #l5 on the list of possibilities. godzilla ranks #9. a stranger on the beach wouldn’t have bothered hiding her body. i don’t believe the beach story. i believe an autopsy would have revealed date rape drugs and the cause of death which would have put j2k in prison. there’s no other reason for them not dialing 9ll when she got into trouble or simply carrying her to the emergency room.

    96. mayan_moons on November 4th, 2006 7:19 pm

      Maggie i think its bogus too, never thought to much of royals but i did like Princess Diana. She was different and her death made me sad as i knew her boys would miss her terribly. btw i also feel Diana’s death was no accident if ya know what i mean.

    97. Carpe Noctem on November 4th, 2006 7:35 pm






    98. Gary on November 4th, 2006 7:50 pm

      Carpe, I dare the FBI or NFI to do a listenign test of Skeeter tape with people not familiar with the case.

      I clearly don’t hear “she didn’t” and the sound before “she did” could be anything from background noise to “oh” or “no.” If “no or oh” were said, it was said in response to Skeeters surprise at his answer. Again, the conversation in its totality clearly shows that Deepak said that he had sex with Natalee and then joked about how “… easy it was that night.”

      As far as the claimed shaking of Deepak’s head goes, Deepak is fidgety and moving all the time during the interview, it is impossible to interpret his movements as body language signifying anything. His movements are random and reflect uneasiness and guilt.

      I dare anyone to play the “video soundtrack” to a friend who is not familiar with the case and ask them, “What does the boy say to the interviewer about having or not having sex with the girl?” Don’t mention any names, show the video imagine or tell the friend what you think is being said. There are only two possible answers: Your friend will say either that it is not clear or that the boy admits to having sex with the girl. No one, who is not already biased, could possibly hear, “No, she didn’t.” It is entirely in people’s head.

      Tape is available at:

      What can’t be heard is Deepak’s first reply to Skeeters question. It is apparently said very quietly or is covered up by the sound of the air conditioner starting. Skeeters is obviously very surprised and Deepak repeats his answer saying either, “No or oh, she did” or simply, “She did.” The rest of the conversation clearly shows that Deepak did communicate an affirmative answer to the question.

      I doubt if an enhanced version of the tape changes its meaning or the FBI or NFI would have released it. I don’t know why the NFI is lying about the tapes meaning but they clearly are.

    99. mayan_moons on November 4th, 2006 7:52 pm

      lol Carpe!

      I’m still laffin at you pic posteda few days ago.
      Got Dompig’s head in the cartoon shark & the caption

      “come CD sharks”

      luv that sense of humor….you are point on in your depiction of these clown!~

    100. mayan_moons on November 4th, 2006 7:54 pm

      oops clowns too!

    101. mayan_moons on November 4th, 2006 8:45 pm


      Mail’s coming back at ya now!

    102. mayan_moons on November 4th, 2006 9:15 pm

      Gary…..i haven’t heard the tape in months but i know what Dipsac said.

      Skeeters: I’m sure she had sex with ALL of you

      Deepak: She did…..you’d be suprised how simple it was

      Can’t recall the what was said to initiate this response from Deepak but he states.

      Deepak: *if i knew where *THE BODY* was i would tell you”

    103. mayan_moons on November 4th, 2006 9:17 pm

      Thank You Jerry (waterboy)!

      and thanks also for posting all those links a few days ago, there were several i’d not seen before.

    104. molly on November 4th, 2006 9:32 pm

      #89, Richard. I still wonder why the queen is visiting Aruba in the first place. Surely she could go on holiday somewhere else. I wonder if she is looking to see why Holland should continue to support this island. Maybe she is going to look at the Natalee files for herself. I hope that the queen is thoroughly convinced that this island is vile beyond imagination and is harboring criminals of all sorts. Long live the Queen, only if she works to bring justice for Natalee Holloway.

      molly (in Houston)

    105. mayan_moons on November 4th, 2006 9:36 pm

      Remember Arlene came on tv with her song N dance on how Deepak was saying again in response to Skeeters saying “i’m sure she had sex with all of you”
      Deepak: “she did(n’t) you’d be suprised how simple it was”

      But Notice she never said a damn word about Deepak referring to Natalee as *a body* & if he knew where the body was he’d tell us.

      Nope Arlene wouldn’t address that at all!

    106. molly on November 4th, 2006 9:38 pm

      Mayan and Maggie, All that royalty stuff is bologna, especially since they don’t seem to have much power anyway. They just suck up the taxpayers’ money. I agree about Princess Diana. She was a real person. I think that her death wasn’t an accident anymore than Natalee’s was. Both were planned actions. For whatever reason, they both ended up the same way.

      molly (in Houston)

    107. mayan_moons on November 4th, 2006 10:31 pm


      imo Americans are taxed to much but the poor British are taxed much much worse, for the royals i guess and you’re right What do they really do? didn’t we hear a couple of years ago they were going abolish the royals? wonder what happened to the poor bloke who thought that up! lol

    108. 10061906 on November 4th, 2006 11:56 pm

      Has everyone remebered to write on their currency before disposing of it?

      “Boycott Aruba Remember Natalee”

    109. mayan_moons on November 5th, 2006 2:23 am

      Hey 10061906!

      I’m writing it on everything that doesn’t move!

      haha well almost!

    110. Waterboy (Jerry) on November 5th, 2006 8:11 am

      to 10061906,

      Good to see you post. I was afraid you were not well enough to post. I hope you are recovering okay.

      The question was ask about how many funeral homes there are in Aruba. I just don’t know. I know we discussed this at one time. You might answer mayan_moons on this question. I think you will know.

      Also, a couple of days (maybe weeks) ago, a poster said that Natalee is asthmatic. Do you know anything about this? I ask Viet Vet (cause he knows for sure, but may not be able to answer because of HIPAA rules.) I was thinking he told me she was not.

      To Viet Vet,

      I don’t think there is any problem with disclosing Natalee’s asthmatic statuses as long as the family does not care. If she is, how did the poster know? I have not seen it stated anywhere, and I’ve read everything, everything; and I started looking for this specific health question from day one.

      To mayan_moons,

      To your question about obituaries, I had a working obituaries at one time, other than the one I gave you (which doesn’t help much). It was removed about 13 months ago. I was just starting to use it. I wish I had found it earlier. 1906 and I both have received really severe a$$ chewings for quote, “lack of respect for the dead.” My opinion, “If the dead want to talk, let them tell their story.” Their obituaries would tell a lot.

      The next best source to an obituary is the phone book. I have it bookmarked on my new laptop, but my wife is out of town and has it. I listed it a couple of days ago.

      This is important. With the phone book, you can look up the name of someone in the obituaries who is of interest, get their address from the phone book; and then get their neighbor’s names and addresses. You can also look to see what kind of business they were in, if they owed a business. For example, I tried at one time to see if the Wevers were in the construction business. I wanted to know if they had any heavy equipment, like a backhoe, with a rock chisel. The dead all tell a story. All of them. Especially Shango. The phone book has maiden names also, listed like Mary Wever, Jones. You can search on Wever and it will also pull up Mary Weaver Jones. This tells you that the Wevers and the Jones are related by marriage—Good to know. (this is just an example and not a legitimated fact, ie Jones, and Weavers.)

      This is really going back, but 1906 and I both felt like the Wever lady who died in June of 05 was somehow connected with the case. She is (or was) listed in the phone book. It amazed me how may deaths there were in the neighborhood she lived in, which I believe is right in the general area where the predator profiling system points to likely area where this all took place. 1906 has pointed out a similar area many times.

      There was a poster (roy), not Roy. roy (not Roy) was from Aruba, and he would tell me when I was right on addresses, and locations. He never did figure out how I was getting the info.

    111. Carpe Noctem on November 5th, 2006 8:17 am

      white hearse looking thing at the rocks/
      dunes area. There’s 5 men standing at
      the back of it & guess who i’m seeing?
      Yeah i see our very own sweathog right
      in the middle & the back of the hearse
      is open.

      Comment by mayan_moons | November 4, 2006, 4:54 pm


      Sounds interesting, sure I’ll look at it. Do you remember
      the ARUBAY VIDEO # on that, because I forgot.


      Justice for dear Natalee!!!









    112. Waterboy (Jerry) on November 5th, 2006 8:35 am

      to all,

      Scared Monkeys has receive a lot of criticism for just being gossip. Is it? Ask yourself this. “How many months (over a full year) were we pointing to the Wevers before they arrested the Wever boy?

      Others we have pointed out have not even been questioned. Why? We have been right on so many things. For sure, there is a lot of worthless stuff; but there is a lot of wisdom here too.

      We all know the legitimate from the illegitimate stuff. It just hits you in the face when it is legitimate, right?

    113. Waterboy (Jerry) on November 5th, 2006 8:49 am

      to mayan_moons,

      In the movie Armageddon, the “Federal guy” ask, “What can I do to get you to take this mission?” The reply, “I don’t want to pay taxes—-ever.”


    114. Waterboy (Jerry) on November 5th, 2006 9:14 am

      To all–and off the subject.

      A couple of years ago, my son told me, “Dad, I need to talk to you. I’ve got something that is really bothering me.” “Son, I love you, you know that don’t you.” “Yes, Dad, I know, but this is really important. ”

      What would you do? My son and I sat down, and he tells me. ” Dad, I’ve got this problem with my life. I’ve discovered that I am basically lazy, and the type of job I would like to have is one that pays a lot of money, but requires very little if any work. What do you think?”

      I thought for a split second, and told him this. “Go to a nice town, one were everyone has a lot of money. Buy a store front. Make it look really nice. Do away with the door, and replace it with just a mail drop, put up a big sign that reads, PLEASE DEPOSIT MONEY IN THE SLOT. I’M BASICALLY LAZY AND I DO NOT DESIRE TO WORK. I NEED AN INCOME OF ABOUT $500,000/YEAR, SO BE GENEROUS. ”

      “Dad, That’s the silliest thing I’ve ever heard.”

      But, isn’t that basically the way the royalty works?

    115. chris on November 5th, 2006 9:25 am

      #105 If Deepak, when asked if they/ he had sex with Natalee and the answer was YES, his answer was :you’d be surprised how easy it was. That makes sense.
      However, if he said NO, you’d be surprised how easy it was makes absolutely no sense.

      No we didn’t have sex, you’d be surprised how easy it was. What, easy not to have sex?
      This should have been enough to believe Skeeter’s tape…chris

    116. Waterboy (Jerry) on November 5th, 2006 9:39 am

      To all,

      When telling a joke, the joke teller should consider the I.Q. of the audience. I know you can’t tell it, but I have an exceptionally high I.Q.; and I supposedly didn’t get it (that makes me stupid); so who is left? John Kerry, who are these smart people you are talking to?

      Aruba must be the same way. I just don’t get it. How about you? Aruba, who and what are you hiding? Please consider the cost. Is it really worth it? Just say, I’m sorry; and then tell the truth. It makes everything so much easier. Don’t call us all stupid. It’s an insult.

    117. Carpe Noctem on November 5th, 2006 10:49 am

      Priest burns himself to death over Islam
      in Berlin. 11-03-2006

      A retired priest committed suicide by
      setting himself on fire in a German monastery
      in protest at the spread of Islam.


      DUDE… I think he failed to
      fully grasp the concept of just
      what a high-impact,
      very carefully
      worded sign
      can do!





    118. Carpe Noctem on November 5th, 2006 12:30 pm




      Coming this Wednesday TO ABC-TV

      The Aruban Broadcasting Nose Up The Booty Channel

      Join Host CHRIS CUOMO

      as he introduces you to


      that is going to take America by ‘FIZZLE’





      -JUSTICE 4 NATALEE- ;)

      She is our sweetheart.


    119. Carpe Noctem on November 5th, 2006 12:45 pm


      ROGER DAT, Waterboy!

      SM busts a lot of butt, and all of the great
      posters that keep coming day after to day
      to ‘represent’ for NATALEE and the H-T Clan!

      What I like about S.M. — is they
      leave wiggle room to let people’s
      personalities to come through.

      That’s just like a family.

      Even my dysfunctional one. LOL


      SCARED MONKEYS makes a lot of difference
      in the NH CASE daily. IMHO


    120. vicki on November 5th, 2006 1:26 pm

      1906, I sure am gladto see that you are back and well enough to type. Carpe, you are correct. We are a family for justice. Keep up the good work. Where is nychic?

    121. JusticeforNatalee on November 5th, 2006 2:00 pm

      ” … an autopsy would have revealed date rape drugs and the cause of death which would have put J2K in prison. There’s no other reason for them not dialing 9ll …”

      #95 Dennis, agree, agree!

    122. Arubaanse on November 5th, 2006 2:37 pm

      Dear Molly,

      Our Queen is not in Aruba for vacation or to see sharks or to look into Natalee’s files. Remember we are still part of the Dutch Kingdom.
      We the Aruban people are dutch citizens and it’s her duty to show herself to her people.

    123. dennisintn on November 5th, 2006 3:19 pm

      #6l, on gma, anita said jvds went to school the next morning and aced his final exams. there is no end to the lies the vds family tells. it’s easy to tell when a vds is lying. their mouths are open.

    124. mayan_moons on November 5th, 2006 4:31 pm

      Exactly chris!!

      We can clearly hear Deepuc saying in response to Skeeters

      Skeeters: I’m sure she had sex with ALL of you

      Deepak: She did…..you’d be suprised how simple it was

      And if you recall the only opposition to that question & answer is with the words…

      Deepak: She did(n’t
      She did

      Here’s just another example of the talking head for Aruba not thinking. They’re so busy with convincing themselves & us that he said “She didn’t”, that they don’t even address what he said in the next sentence.

      “you’d be surpised how easy it was”

      Gotta change more words now to fit with the “she didn’t” part.

      you’d be suprised how simple it would’ve been??

      Do you hear that?

      me either

    125. cenote530 on November 5th, 2006 5:04 pm

      i hear ya waterboy(Jerry)

      I don’t get it either.

      Ya know what i DO get though?

      That a large # of Dem’s hate Bush so much that they say things that undermine our national security & our Men & Women in uniform.

      Calling Bush a liar when Kerry voted for the same war Bush did, plays into our enemy’s agenda & lends credence to our enemy’s propaganda that the USA should be destroyed. What other outcome besides the destruction of the US do the Dem’s predict will happen when they show disrespect to our President & fan the flames of hatred within our own borders?

    126. Carpe Noctem on November 5th, 2006 6:14 pm

      GOD SAVE
      Miss QB.




      Hey Mayan…

      Are you talking about this







      Lay ‘em down, Mac.


    127. mayan_moons on November 5th, 2006 6:40 pm

      Yeah Carpe!

      thats it!

    128. Carpe Noctem on November 5th, 2006 7:52 pm

      Hey Mayan,

      Some new technique and another

      piece of software

      added to the mix…

      brought out more detail,in the 510-24 People

      we are always analyzing.

      Check it out!



      oopsie. ;)

      heh heh

      I meant these 2 new ads.



      …more 2 come



    129. Carpe Noctem on November 5th, 2006 8:21 pm

      128 leftover.



    130. Carpe Noctem on November 5th, 2006 8:26 pm

      …and to think when I was
      something to look at, and used
      to be a frequent beach going

      -BACK IN the day- LOL

      I used to only worry about getting
      sand in my POTATO SALAD. ;)

      Oh my,
      either the times
      have changed way too
      much for me…





    131. ben on November 5th, 2006 9:37 pm

      carpe,where can i load down your photo album

    132. Waterboy (Jerry) on November 5th, 2006 9:53 pm

      A little harmless torture at the beginning of this case would have worked wonders. A little water, a little sand, a little hot, a little cold, a little dark, a little light, a little twist, a little bite, a little fear, a tearful night, a harmless fight, two days and nights without sleep, thirteen hours in water deep.

      It’s so harmless. It’s nothing like Natalee must have gone through. It leave no scars, or DNA.

    133. Waterboy (Jerry) on November 5th, 2006 9:56 pm

      It leaves no scars or DNA.

    134. mayan_moons on November 5th, 2006 11:32 pm

      lol Carpe!

      the sporter & his sweathog pop

      put the No

      in techno!

    135. mayan_moons on November 6th, 2006 12:25 am


      hey…..i’m checking out these ya just posted
      & i’m excited how they are coming along! Much
      much better detail. Ya could tell from still 1
      that the figure of a person was being held down
      but rubbing your eyeballs out trying to make out
      the others.

      Hey you should post the still of the person in
      pigtails who is in the same pond waters edge scene.
      Draw a circle arround the head & let everyone see
      what constitutes sex in aruba.

    136. mayan_moons on November 6th, 2006 12:37 am

      There is no getting to know eachother alittle.
      There is no going out on a date.
      There is no care or concern what so ever about feelings, standards, hopes or dreams.

      Nope None of Yhat

      Just a setup, a blizt attack……an ambush

    137. mayan_moons on November 6th, 2006 12:44 am

      oops blitz**


    138. mayan_moons on November 6th, 2006 1:04 am

      Ya know…….there is 1 comment Jerkoff said in one interview, actually he may have said it twice.

      I think it was with Greta he says parents of a missing girl *doesn’t act that way* (like the Twittys)

      What a weird thing to say, that comment & the done it 20 times before comment more than anything else just jumped out at cha.

      What did Greta do? NOTHING

      How do you let a comment like that slide with no follow up asking what the hell he’s talking about?

      Greta should’ve been ousted right outta that FOX studio that day! I can’t watch her commenting on criminal investigations with her panel being critical on investigations or investigating reporting when she BLEW IT so royally with Jerkoff.

    139. Carpe Noctem on November 6th, 2006 1:34 am

      hi there ben,

      you don’t fully download it…

      but, you download a program
      that works with Photobucket
      yo make it all easier to see!

      it’s getting up to about 1,000
      aruba – holloway case pics. it’s
      got some size to it…

      but the free download
      called FLOCK makes it
      more manageable.

      If you’re interested -
      refer back upt to #90
      in this thread for links
      and instructions.


    140. Carpe Noctem on November 6th, 2006 5:51 am



      Roughly every night for the past 18 months I trawl,
      map, and image process this BASIN BAG FROM THE MARRIOTT
      AND DEATH.

      and gettting

      (and tossed away like trash in to the #24
      Basin for a short term layover –
      waiting for sea burial)

      son of a bitches,
      it makes me want to
      get sick.




      Tonight my results of imaging the basin bag were a little different. I have added some different tricks & tools to the mix… downloaded certain new things & generated more clean, hq snaps from scratch.


      -if dead bodies freak you out – SKIP THIS-


      Here are images I have not
      been able to make out
      as clearly before –

      The images are more detailed that I am pulling
      out of the #24 BASIN these days.

      I’ll start off with the one that should “GRAB YA IN THE BISCUITS” and skip the bullshit.




      Lots of love here for NATALEE!!! Is it her? I dunno. I am not smart enough to answer that question. All my ‘finds’ tonight look INCREDIBLY MUCH LIKE HER.

      -please get some eyeballs out
      there on my new finds-
      thank you!


      We are with you in this one to the end H-T’S.

      Lots love and prayers go out to you!!!!!!!!

      Here are the rest of my
      finds from tonight and
      previous nights, weeks,
      and months.




    141. ben on November 6th, 2006 6:04 am

      carpe,know you work hard on pics but on most of the blown up pics of what you say is a rape is hard for me to see.is there any way to reproduce them more clearly.

    142. Carpe Noctem on November 6th, 2006 6:21 am


      Mayan_Moons, Coeptis, Red & Klaas -

      All my shots from tonight:

      I used the GOOGLE VERSION
      of 510-24

      4:27 LONG

      Those screen grabs – most if not all came
      between the timeline of 2:44 and 2:47.


    143. Carpe Noctem on November 6th, 2006 6:51 am

      Heh hehhhhhhhhhh…

      I just realized, I had a ‘Drama Queen Moment’

      When I said I looked in the
      510-24 BASIN BAG for 18 months,
      that’s not true ARU-BAY 24
      hasn’t been out that long.

      WELL, it felt like 18 months!!!



      Well worth it, anyday. – Justice 4 Natalee -

      Here’s one more with guides this time.



    144. Waterboy (Jerry) on November 6th, 2006 8:36 am

      Ya know…….there is 1 comment Jerkoff said in one interview, actually he may have said it twice.

      I think it was with Greta he says parents of a missing girl *doesn’t act that way* (like the Twittys)

      Comment by mayan_moons | November 6, 2006, 1:04 am

      To mayan_moons,

      I caught that too. I guess he has gotten away with it so much that he is indignant when someone (especially a parent, and especially a mother ) calls him out. He can’t put fear into them, because first of all they don’t know him (Joran), and second of all, they are not the kind of people that will take any kind of nonsense laying down. Trying to bully Jug, would be a mistake in the extreme–country boys can survive.

      The gall of this elitist kid hankers me and others to the max. I’ve seen it in kids I’ve worked with and known, and it is never a good thing. The kid with the nice mom that I was talking about a few days ago was like Joran as a young kid. It all comes from a deep seated lack of respect for others. If you happen to be raising a pedo terrorist like this, you must put your foot down hard; and set ground rules from day one. Your only hope is that this kid does not murder you and the rest of the family in the middle of the night.

      If I had a son like Joran, I would have gotten him some early psychiatric help-maybe at 3 or 4 years of age. I would hand pick the physician , and the whole thing kept very private.

      With a kid like that, you would have to make him respect you and your authority. Your personal walk would have to be very straight and narrow, cause a kid like Joran would be quick to call you a Hippocratic and never let you off the hook.

      The torturing of a pet would send alarms off in every direction for me. If he killed his dog for fun–bad news. If he killed his dog out of anger–bad news. If he killed his dog for some sort of twisted sexual pleasure–bad news. Next, it is friends and family.

    145. Carpe Noctem on November 6th, 2006 9:22 am

      Easily the most haunting.

      Maybe this should have been

      # 1 Choice pic -


    146. Carpe Noctem on November 6th, 2006 10:22 am

      Tucked away back near right cement block.




    147. Carpe Noctem on November 6th, 2006 10:54 am


      this might be the one

      I have been waiting for.


      The face on the front cement wall with blonde
      hair maybe a ‘DIVERSION TACTIC’

      See next shot -

      She is tucked in snug right behind RIGHT CEMENT


      Justice for Natski.

    148. Carpe Noctem on November 6th, 2006 11:19 am




      Oopsie, may be
      Bad news Joran
      and Kalpoes…


      if this is in fact Natalee in 510-24



      It never needs wrapping…

      Happy Holidays, b1tches!


      Santa may be coming early this year,
      you low down effin TWERPS. -J4N-

    149. MIss-Underestimated on November 6th, 2006 1:15 pm


      Keep up the Good Work. I missed the one where they are pulling the body into the brush, can you give me a link?

      Can I start decorating the Tree for the sporters or how bout some cookies?

    150. vicki on November 6th, 2006 1:45 pm

      Carpe that goes for me too. I missed the link for the bushes. Just wanted to say how glad I am to be part of this team…Justice for Natalee

    151. JusticeforNatalee on November 6th, 2006 2:30 pm

      Apparently, Kees van der Spek wrote an article (Sept.) recently published in a Dutch mag:

      “Is Natalee Holloway Murderer a Copycat?”

      Link to posting

    152. JusticeforNatalee on November 6th, 2006 2:34 pm


      I don’t necessarily agree with the copycat aspect.

      BUT notice how the murderer ends up being the last person seen with the victim.

      Ring a bell?

    153. Sharon Chicago on November 6th, 2006 5:11 pm

      WOW…SM…It took me 15min. to scroll down to the “Natalee Holloway/Aruba/The Killers” posting.

      So sad no updates??????


      SM:   Not much I’m affraid.   This was  just posted a little while ago on another forum: (klaasend)

      Kalpoes case rescheduled and De Vries in Aruba

      The Kalpoes case was rescheduled for Nov. 30th at 9 am. I also am told that De Vries is in Aruba trying to get people to talk to him. He was informed not to trespass anymore (Kalpoes home).

    154. Scared Monkeys on November 6th, 2006 5:35 pm

      For your viewing pleasure. Looks like Joran caught something :)



    155. Sharon Chicago on November 6th, 2006 5:41 pm


    156. Carpe Noctem on November 6th, 2006 5:48 pm

      hey guys,

      what is up whit FRIGGIN DIS ONE???

      I picked up the snap
      in my screen grabs
      of the 510-24





    157. Carpe Noctem on November 6th, 2006 5:55 pm

      thanks guys! we make a mean SM TAG TEAM.

      LOL Klaas, may he get MONKEY POX and his tally falls off, that PUNK.


      This screen grab of 24 looks like Natalee to me!


    158. Carpe Noctem on November 6th, 2006 6:06 pm


      That is a *ringer* for the dead girl in the front of
      the 510-24 BASIN

      Only she is sitting with two LIVE MEN!!!!!!!!!!



      Ladies and gents I couldn’t make
      this shit up if I sat
      here all night and tried.

      Here’s my source is 510-24 played
      through the GOOGLE PLAYER like most people.

      Screen Grab Program – SCREEN GRAB





    159. Carpe Noctem on November 6th, 2006 6:25 pm

      Has anyone heard of anybody editing and pulling of hoax type stuff with the ARUBAY VIDEOS…

      Because this is like something out of Hollywood?


    160. Carpe Noctem on November 6th, 2006 7:14 pm

      I don’t mean to freak anybody out -

      If u get nightmares – take a pass

      …but I again, I am not
      dropping snapshots of

      These are supposed to be of the ARUBAY 510-24

      …and then I got some FUNKY IMAGE LIKE this.

      ANOTHER VARIATION of the spooky one above.

      I can’t believe this!!!!!!!!

      -I’m beyond words for ARUBA – You are simply


    161. mayan_moons on November 6th, 2006 7:47 pm

      Hankerz me too Waterboy(Jerry)!

      He revealed some of himself answering that way, it suggests he has experience with confrontational parents. Jerkoff is the last person with Natalee & HE IS CHIDING THE PARENTS ON THEIR MISSING DAUGHTER???

      Here’s the kicker folks…..Joran isn’t/wasn’t the son of a judge, he isn’t/wasn’t the son of a judge in training either. Paul was told he wasn’t going to be a judge before Natalee was ever in the picture. Made a nice fairytale though. I’m suprised the exact details of how JVDS killed the dog haven’t been told. Any mention of Jip setting fires as a youngster? Or bedwetting?

      I’ve often wondered why the Sloots took Jip to see a shrink. We’ve been told it was for some lies & stealing money from Anita & Paules and fighting with his brothers.
      I’m NOT buying it! For one All The Big People lie there on Aruba, so Jipshit’s covered. Two….scamming as in insurance collection fraud & setting up dummy corporations is second nature. To Anita & Paul those are are all good qualities. (they lie for eachother)

      Soo makes ya wonder why he really was seeing a shrink doesn’t it. Must be serious if Anita & Paul sought help for their son, BIG red flag there folks. What did the parents say when they heard J killed his dog?

      You are so right about JVDS having no respect for anything or anyone, he’s a powder keg and when he explodes again, people that are near are going to get hurt.

    162. anne on November 6th, 2006 8:10 pm

      SM — have you all sent carpe’s work to JQKelly?

    163. Carpe Noctem on November 6th, 2006 8:21 pm

      More from 510-24

      In ARUBA, if we ever had
      any questions…

      Here is how it goes
      down folks.

      Image plucked right out of #24



      FLAT. Damn pigs.


    164. mayan_moons on November 6th, 2006 8:30 pm

      Hey Carpe!

      First of all……lmao about tweety!

      You up there saying ya couldn’t make
      this $hit up, i was thinking the exact
      same thing.

      The natives should build a bon bini fire arround the Sloot house & make Jerkoff & his sweaty father the centerpiece!

    165. mayan_moons on November 6th, 2006 8:34 pm

      De Vrie’s in Aruba? How long & whats he doing?!

    166. Carpe Noctem on November 6th, 2006 8:34 pm

      Hi Anne


      Mr JQK –

      I’m at: arubapictures1

      Anytime. Open to all so far.






      JUSTICE 4…

      ——-> http://tinyurl.com/uvdcq :)



    167. mayan_moons on November 6th, 2006 8:47 pm


      Whoa….that still. Amazing! How did you enhance it so well? Could anyone reading this board have Ever imagine that we’d be able to see what these mosters did to Natalee? I didn’t. Alot of people have prayed. I believe in prayer and that if enough good people think about something or someone they really care about that answers can be found and miracles can happen. I thought about that with Laci Peterson too, right before her body was found i thought, maaan if Laci is in the bay after all these months, we’ll probably never know what happened to her. With the marine life it was a miracle that her remains were found to be on the shore. Storms that upturn the bottom of the bay don’t happen very often. It was like the hand of God reached out and uncovered all Scott’s lies for the world to know and i feel the same way about Joran Van Der Sloot and All others involved.

    168. k on November 6th, 2006 11:15 pm

      I think we need a new picture caption contest. Maybe something honoring the Queens visit?

    169. molly on November 7th, 2006 12:31 am

      Mayan, I agree. Prayer works. I believe that we will get a miracle. I also agree that the hand of God will bring justice in Natalee’s situation, too, because so many of us have prayed. We are still praying. God loves justice. He looks for people to intercede. (Isaiah)

      molly (in Houston)

    170. nychic on November 7th, 2006 1:34 am


      I’m Always Reading – Even If Not Posting
      (escaped the cold NYC to visit San Antonio)

      Like Most Here – Will Never Give Up On
      Hope For Natalee

    171. mayan_moons on November 7th, 2006 3:32 am

      Molly, i forgot to mention that it was the day after i wondered if Laci’s fate would ever be known that the baby Conner & Laci washed ashore and found.

      Remember Catherine Crier wrote a book (A Deadly Game) about the Peterson case……guess what,i won a copy when Catherine picked an excerpt of my email to read on the air. It was the first thing i’ve ever won!

      People like Joran & Scott think they are so smart, if only they knew how tranparent they are.

    172. Richard on November 7th, 2006 6:54 am

      Any word on how the queen’s visit to Aruba is going?

      I find it interesting that her visit includes a meeting at the Aruban central bank, or whatever it is. The queen reigns, but does not rule … that is, she doesn’t do anything partisan, etc. In view of that, it’s odd that her itinerary would include a visit to something like a central bank. At least, I think it is.

      I wonder if the Natalee Holloway case is like an unspoken question hanging over the whole visit. Seems to me like it’s quite a long flight for only a two-day visit.

      One wonders if some kind of message is being delivered, especially with the political developments that were just concluded for the Netherlands Antilles. Perhaps the timing of the visit is itself a message … or a warning.

    173. Carpe Noctem on November 7th, 2006 8:28 am

      Yes, Richard… I thought the Central Bank of Aruba
      Queen pit-stop was funny too! Maybe they are hoping
      ole’ Queenie has gotta a couple of ‘DEPOSITS’ for them. lol


      some funnies






    174. molly on November 7th, 2006 9:12 am

      Mayan, so true!! Scott and Joran THINK they are so smart. That’s what they get for thinking, or trying too.

      molly (in Houston)

    175. molly on November 7th, 2006 9:16 am

      Richard, refer to #74. That is what I was asking. Why is the queen visiting? I thought it was very interesting that the queen was visiting the bank since Holland is considering loaning money to Aruba, and that the tourism is down, etc. I, too, wondered if the Natalee case was an underlying reason for the visit. Usually as visit from the State does send a message. Aaaah, great minds move in the same circles, lol. You just worded it differently, of course.

      molly (in Houston)

    176. Carpe Noctem on November 7th, 2006 10:08 am
    177. MIss-Underestimated on November 7th, 2006 10:11 am

      Did Joran, Deepak and Satish volunteer to take the Queen on a tour, maybe to the lighthouse, see the sharks, swim at the beach and go see Papa VDS?

    178. Carpe Noctem on November 7th, 2006 10:12 am
    179. Carpe Noctem on November 7th, 2006 10:43 am

      hey miss-u and vicki,

      sorry I am running late in getting back to you. I would never ignore ya!

      here is the body and bushes on the side of the road
      in 510-24 Video discovered by mm.


      She could give u specifics it – I most definitely see certain parts of a deteriorating corpse.

      Maybe AHATA ARUBA can put that in their COME TO ARUBA pamphlets and new ads on HOME AND GARDEN CHANNEL…
      that’ll bring the masses from
      all countries, NO.

      Nooooo. :LOL:


    180. Carpe Noctem on November 7th, 2006 11:06 am

      KEWL… Check out this pic.

      “Sporters… they COME and the GO.”

      in borrowed or rented grey cars…. probably borrowed
      from friends as to not leave a paper trail.

      Corrupting crimes scenes and obstructing JUSTICE. IMHO


      Justice for Natalee, is what I’m sayin’.


    181. vicki on November 7th, 2006 11:28 am

      carpe, mayan, Someone has to be held accountable for the dead bodies in the video. Even if it isnt Natalee, there are dead ppl in the bag. What the hell is going on? Lieruba should have to solve this mystery. Isnt there some kind of high court to protect ppl in a country that has no laws?

    182. airgame12 on November 7th, 2006 12:58 pm

      This was on blogs for Natalee and was posted by PearlinUSA. Thought it was interesting enough to bring it here for ya’ll.

      Interesting post on freedomofblog today by Victor regarding de Vries associate article:

      Kees vd Spek (de Vries’s right hand) wrote the following around sept for a Dutch magazine, that was published recently:

      Is the murderer of NH a copycat?

      Coincidence does not excist, ppl say, if that is true then the murderer of Natalee Holloway is a copycat.

      A very sharp watcher pointed out to us an article in “Readers Digest” from 10 years ago. In that there was the story of the Norvegian Anna Kristin Jensen who disappeared in the early 90′s while on vacation on a Spanish island.

      When you read that it seems a copy of what happened last year with NH on Aruba.

      There are so much simularties that it gives one the shills.

      Natalee was a student, just like Anne Kristen. Natalee disappeared after she had been to a disco with friends, same as Kristen. The Norvegian girl had been last seen with a local boy, just like Natalee. Kristen allegedly had went with him to another disco, but the young man later admitted that he had went to the beach with her, just like Natalee Holloway.

      The young man had tried to kiss her, after which both went their own way.

      Several searches did not have any result, the police investigation on the Spanish island was closed without any result, just like on Aruba.

      But then there is a difference; the Norvergian case was solved by policeman Ola Thune from Oslo, together with the family which did their udmost.

      Thurne went undercover en jumped into the nightlive of the Spanish island (Fuerteventura), en discovers that the guy Kristen was last seen with was her murderer after all.

      It seemed that he had strangled the girl that night, and had burried her on the beach. The next day he had confessed everything to his father, who then digged up the body and took it in his boat to the sea. There he then disposed of it, while he had made it heavy in a very deep area.

      Father and son in 1993 have been given respectively 4 months and 12 years of prison.

      In the Holloway case both father and son have been suspects, copycats? Or just a coincidence?

      Kees van der Spek; in “Verdacht” nr 4 2006.

    183. MIss-Underestimated on November 7th, 2006 1:11 pm


      I agree,if this isn’t Natalee it is someone or more than one person. Does Aruba give a sh””t, naw, too worried about the florin flow….Maybe these should be emailed to the Queen B….

      Even worse whada bout the people of Aruba, hey Aruba it appears that your island is a haven for corpses littering here and there…Jeeez ….

      BTW Good Job Carpe and Mayan

    184. Carpe Noctem on November 7th, 2006 2:53 pm

      Thanks Miss U!

      There are definitely multiple dead people
      in 510-24. I think it was done -EXTREMELY
      ON PURPOSE- to try and make finding Natalee
      an IMPOSSIBLE – task.

      This way the Sporter could get an education and
      go on to college… and not be tied down with
      pesky everyday things – like kidnapping, rape,
      and cold blooded friggin MURDERRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      The Van der Rapes and Kalpoes are demon
      spawn. If I ever crossed their
      paths, I’m afraid I’d kill them faster
      than a cockroach loose at an all lady’s


      God help them,

      he’s about their last hope.





    185. airgame12 on November 7th, 2006 3:04 pm

      Miss U,
      Good call on the Queen email idea, but you cant email her. But I did some digging and we can contact her by mail. The following is how, and I am writting her now, as I think we all should.

      Noordeinde Palace
      [Name of Royal House member]
      Postbus 30412
      2500 GK Den Haag
      The Netherlands

      From there, it will be forwarded to the appropriate secretariat.

      The correct way to start letters to members of the Royal House is as follows:

      Her Majesty the Queen: Your Majesty;
      HRH the Prince of Orange, HRH Princess MÃ ¡xima, HRH Prince Constantijn, HRH Princess Laurentien and HRH Princess Margriet: Your Royal Highness;
      Pieter van Vollenhoven: Dear Mr Van Vollenhoven;
      The sons of Princess Margriet and their wives: Your Highness.

    186. Richard on November 7th, 2006 3:28 pm

      Thanks for the address and headings, airgame12. I didn’t think that, somehow, saying “Dear Queen” would cut it. What do you put in for her name?

      Maybe after her trip she’ll launch her own boycott movement?

      Read something interesting today, in another case, which said that blocking the memory of certain things is in some cases key to survival. Is it possible that he is psychotic enough that he has erased some things from his memory … or convinced himself that events happened differently than they did?

      I don’t think it’s likely … but one never knows.

      In other words … I’m wondering if there’s a chance that even Joran might not really remember WHAT happened. Beyond his lies, he might have been trying to wash out the details.

    187. Carpe Noctem on November 7th, 2006 3:34 pm

      hey miss mayan,

      I thinked I cracked the
      510-24 Water Egg Activity.

      This afternoon I used the
      super zoom digitizer
      on it…

      The difference is SIMPLY NIGHT & DAY.

      check it out! *wink


    188. airgame12 on November 7th, 2006 4:03 pm

      Put in for her name…..Queen Beatrix. I just went to the post office and sent my letter. I dont know how much it will cost from other parts of the United States, but from Texas it was .84 cents. I am pretty sure that we can all afford the small amount and the time it takes to write and send a letter. Cant promise that it will do any good, but evry little bit cant hurt. All we can do is hope.

    189. Carpe Noctem on November 7th, 2006 4:13 pm


      RIGHT REAR -near water- looking down
      over BASIN.


      CLOSE UP


      Justice 4 Miss

    190. Carpe Noctem on November 7th, 2006 5:34 pm

      Hey Airgame…

      You are a kind soul!

      My letter to Queen Beatrix
      would start off something like this…


      I am writing to you today…


      Maybe that is why I don’t get a lot of replies. :)

      Great work… Justice for Nat, people.

      Keep it comin!!!


    191. mayan_moons on November 7th, 2006 6:10 pm

      Thanks Miss U!

      Much appreciated….i’m giving Carpe his props on this joint discovery of the body in the brush, basin area.
      It was Carpe that detected something in this still and circled it & put a question mark there. I’m looking at it a day or so later, looked at it about 20 seconds & saw those were shoes & my eyes followed the legs into the brush and Boom i saw the body! I wanted Carpe to see but i hadn’t outlined it, i’m no artist & rarely use Photoshop but i did manage to outline it. Using no programs at all i saw this body!

      There are dead bodies all over the place on Aruba! Truely …..dead people are everwhere. They are in bag in the Basin, they are in the bushes & brush area not far from several boat launches and there’s dead bodies in the Rocks/Dunes area.

    192. Carpe Noctem on November 7th, 2006 7:42 pm
    193. mayan_moons on November 7th, 2006 7:44 pm

      Hey Carpe!

      #188 lol Tweety is a personal fave of mine!

    194. Carpe Noctem on November 7th, 2006 7:44 pm

      Mayan here it is:


    195. Maggie on November 7th, 2006 8:01 pm

      The VDS’s and the Kalpoes know what happened to Natalee.

      I always thought it was telling Deepak called her a slut on the Skeeter’s tape. Now if we are to believe she had no sex with none of them or anyone else they know of, why is he calling her a slut. Of course Natalee didn’t have sex with them, she would’ve had to consent, it would’ve never happened. That’s why she’s missing. Joran calls her a slut, according to him, no sex, and in the VF interview, he told Charles Croes, Natalee was a virgin, so how does he know her sex life to call her a slut? Angela “Muzzlehead” in her VF interview says, I know that girl’s no virgin.. Now how does she know that? and would she care to tell who the men were? It’s called degrading a victim to make yourself feel the person deserves what she got. Dog the Bounty Hunter was on tv one night and said that helps them justify in their minds what they did to her. They know Natalee can’t defend herself now ,anymore than she could that night.

      I also find it funny, that it’s being reported none will cooperate with DeVries. Why am I not surprised?! None of them know the meaning of being a man and stepping up to the plate. It’s been nothing new since the first night, blame the innocent victim and 2 black security guards.

      AHATA has tried to lie and drag it out just like all the rest in hopes little by little, people would forget and move on and they could all go on with their lives, business as usual. They’ve known the truth all along.

      As for Princess Diana, I also admired her. Not sure if it was an accident or not. She exposed the royal family for what they really are, that’s why they didn’t want her around. Certain time of night, you have to be in your quarters in Buckingham, and if you get hungry too bad, unless you order it a day ahead of time, you don’t get it. No going to the kitchen late night to eat..etc. I would be one of the first at the kitchen at night, just to break the rule, like Diana, good for her..Elton John said once they used to gossip together all the time and laugh about all of it.

    196. Carpe Noctem on November 7th, 2006 8:04 pm

      MM is right about death being
      EVERYWHERE in the 510-24 Video.

      The bag has pieces of 3-6 dead people…

      There’s a corpse I’ve recently discovered
      back near the right block.

      The one Mayan discovered on the
      side of the road near the bushes.

      I found an amputated arm and hand
      laying out on the side of the
      roadway in 510-24 a few weeks ago

      There’s only 3 places I know of that you would
      find that many dead people in one concentrated

      -The morgue

      -The cemetary

      and a
      Lionel Richie
      concert. ;)


    197. yoyo muffintop on November 7th, 2006 9:04 pm

      Dear Queen “I hit the genetic lotto” Beatrix, ……..

    198. Carpe Noctem on November 7th, 2006 9:13 pm

      We all full support the Holloways & Tweetys!


    199. Carpe Noctem on November 7th, 2006 9:14 pm

      uh, I meant ‘FUWWY’

    200. yoyo muffintop on November 7th, 2006 9:45 pm

      maggie – did you read any of Deepak’s statements? Most of your questions will be answered there. The virgin part – MSM night after night, you know that. Not quite sure how any of that matters though. As far as the VDSs “embracing” the media – it’s currently an active investigation, they should not talk. Shouldn’t have done it before, shouldn’t do it now.

      Capt’n – what’s the body count up to now? I took a really low resolution photo of a nestle crunch today, did some contrast reduction and a few other things, and guess what…turns out it’s a hershey bar. damn.

    201. mayan_moons on November 7th, 2006 11:46 pm

      All of these stills are so difficult to look at, all the various stages of decomposition & dismembered bodies is shocking to the system. All the defensive wounds & slashes so vicious in nature that it rivals the desmemberment marks. The cutting of the face for instance isn’t something thats done in a regular attack. These kinds of wounds are made when the victim is restrained & are threatening……torture wounds. (if you’ll recall Ron Goldman had a couple of cuts like that in his face too)
      Whats worse for me is seeing this girl that i believe is Natalee being assaulted thanks to a cellphone or video cam, upsets me the most coz i wonder how concious she is, the confusion from the drugs & the realization of whats happening, wondering……why. The facial cuts tell us that they wanted to inflict the most fear & pain and they wanted her awake for it and I WANNA KNOW WHY DAMMNIT?????
      These guys in late teens & early 20′s treating this little girl like this…..where does that come from? The guys live on paradise & life’s a dream for them and they feel entitled to destroy someone else’s life.

      In my eyes those guys arn’t humanbeings, they are nothing.
      Drag it out all you want Aruba, time is on our side & we’re are working together to shut aruba down. to cripple aruba’s economy. Throw more money at advertizing & bait & switch deals and watch em go down the drain & the tables have turned and it is us laughing at you & watching You struggle.

    202. k on November 8th, 2006 12:23 am

      I wonder if the Queen is bunking with the Sloots during her visit? Maybe she can give Anita a few fashion tips.

    203. Richard on November 8th, 2006 4:12 am

      Any word on how the visit is going, or on what is happening?

    204. Carpe Noctem on November 8th, 2006 5:35 am

      hey yo -


      danggggg, u sound bored!

      you gotta watch that stuff, b.


      today — taking low res pics of candybars…

      tomorrow – xeroxing 8 1/2 by 11′s
      of your own assho up on the
      Lanier when your boss
      walks in!!!!!!!!!!!!!


      This is
      how it




    205. airgame12 on November 8th, 2006 9:20 am

      yoyo homo,
      Dimwit,dont go away mad, just go away! You must lead a sad and pathetic life to find joy in degrading someone that has passed away. But the bright side to all you crap you spew is that karma has a way of biting people like you in the a{{edit}}.

    206. Sharon Chicago on November 8th, 2006 10:24 am

      STILL wondering what is going on in regard to this case??
      No news, No comments, No nothing….

      Are we all waiting for dutch to speak out on this case?
      Has any decisions been made?


    207. john wildes on November 8th, 2006 10:38 am

      what happen to the deep troat witness jim garrison talk
      about.also john kelly said he would teaming up or working
      with beths international lawyer and said he would make trip
      to aruba no word how they made out.looks likes even with a
      international lawyer that deals with laws outside the u.s.
      still can’t get justice or these punks behind bars.this bows and this sinks a year and half and sill no answers

    208. Carpe Noctem on November 8th, 2006 10:54 am

      Joran’s New Buddy! ;)


    209. chris on November 8th, 2006 10:59 am

      Carpe, where do you find them? You keep cracking us up:-)

    210. yoyo muffintop on November 8th, 2006 11:03 am

      airgame12 – did you write that? You have a penchant for copy/paste so I am not sure. Not sure how I degraded anyone, but why don’t you go copy/paste it from someone else’s post and let me know. You are an angry dude – gettin’ any help for that? Still lookin’ in the shadows for ya – hahaha

    211. didi on November 8th, 2006 11:03 am

      There is some new info on Natalee’s case at
      arubadirtypoliceblogspot posted by Deetch.

    212. airgame12 on November 8th, 2006 11:26 am

      Broken YoYo,
      Are you still stuck on that?? Get a life and some new material. And as for you degrading comments…..everything that comes out of that hole you call amouth has been degrading. Bottom line is that if you cant be part of the soulution, you should keep you mouth shut and let us continue to try and get justice out of that hole of a place called Aruba.

    213. airgame12 on November 8th, 2006 12:00 pm

      Cant find the site for some reason, so what is the new infor on the case, or can you provide the proper link for it please. Thanks, Mike

    214. didi on November 8th, 2006 12:07 pm

      Go to http://www.arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com. It refers to a man by the name of Mark Purcell, manager of a tannin salon at the Marriott.


      SM:Â   If you are familiar with that site and Deetch you would know that most of that post is satire. (klaasend)

    215. airgame12 on November 8th, 2006 12:13 pm

      Found it, thanks. The following post is from Deetch at Aruba dirty police……..

      New Suspect Emerges in Aruba Murder Case
      Oranjestaad: A new suspect has emerged in the case of Natalee Holloway.

      Mark Purcell, the balding rotund hotel employee at the Marriott Hotel in Aruba is the target of Dutch authorities who recently visited Aruba.

      Mr. Purcell, who manages the tanning salon at the Marriott is married to the manager of Moombas. Marlene, his wife was recently questioned by Dutch authorities. Natalee Holloway was photographed in Moombas the night before she was murdered by the Van der sloots.

      His son Mark Jr. is a bartender at Moombas.

      It appears early on in the investigation, Mr. Purcell was found with a large quantity of Rohypnol, commonly known as a date rape drug. When asked about it, he claimed it was for “personal use.” His wife backed up that claim, saying “Mark needs it to masturbate.”

      Purcell has blogged on the subject of Natalee Holloway using the screen name MIP6. He has trashed the Holloway family and Beth Holloway in particular. His activity on a Dutch funded site Blogs for Natalee is part of an effort by the murdering Van der sloot defenders to steer blame away from Joran van der sloot.

      Mark Purcell, escaping his bankruptcy in the U.S. had his skin lightened, his belly enlarged and his propencity for lying in hyperdrive all to be accpted by the lowlife Dutch on the island of Aruba. “He kisses more Dutch ass than a drug addict in Amsterdam,” said an official in Aruba.

      Seems the bloated Mr. Purcell has some very Dutch traits, most notably, thin skin. Like the rest of the cowards in Aruba, he is unhappy with what some are saying about him.

      “There was the time at the Marriott’s Christmas party when Mark had too much to drink and did his impersonation of the Dutch boy with his finger in the dike. Marlene was unaware that she was to be the dike and was quite surprised by the re-enactment” said a friend.

      He is believed to be seeking a transfer to the opening of a new Marriott in Bodie, Nevada.

      For all inquiries, call Paulus Van der sloot at 310.268.1598

    216. airgame12 on November 8th, 2006 12:31 pm

      So was this all just B.S. or is there some truth to it.?
      I did not know that it might not be true as I didnt even know the site was there until a little while ago.


      SM:Â   I believe most of it is satire. I will try to list below what I believe to be true (klaasend)

      1.   Mark Purcell, the balding rotund hotel employee at the Marriott Hotel

      2.   Mr. Purcell, who manages the tanning salon at the Marriott is married to the manager of Moombas. Marlene

      3.   His son Mark Jr. is a bartender at Moombas

      4.   Purcell has blogged on the subject of Natalee Holloway using the screen name MIP6. He has trashed the Holloway family and Beth Holloway in particular

      The rest I believe is mostly satire ;)

    217. Carpe Noctem on November 8th, 2006 12:37 pm


      loved it!


      hey yo yo,

      there’s a nasty rumor going around that Deepak and Satish Kalpoe don’t Like Kock as much as they once did!!!

      Can you clarify
      and and elaborate on this…

      or are u not ‘in the know?’

      J4N SUCKA


    218. Carpe Noctem on November 8th, 2006 1:14 pm

      Holy Shmoligans, Folks…

      Well now the moment you’ve all been waiting for!!!


      ORANJESTAD – Queen Beatrix and football king Johan Cruyff leaves zojuist the Cruyff Court opened by them. The new football field lies in Parke Curason pa Deporte Jaburibari. The present public reacted very enthusiastic to the arrival of the vorstin and Cruyff. Voetballegende let be possible have honoured after result a lot and surprises by its popularity under the arubaanse playing soccer youth.


      Lay your hands upon the buttocks
      of DUTCH-ARUBAN life
      and TRULY FEEL the
      POWER OF



      Much like asthma or hayfever…



    219. JusticeforNatalee on November 8th, 2006 1:55 pm

      Miss U,

      Thanks for Queen’s address; I am writing immediately.

      Anyone who writes, please be respectful. You can still get your point across.

    220. Carpe Noctem on November 8th, 2006 2:42 pm


      We want JUSTICE 4 NATALEE!!!!!!!

      ARUBA’s actions through
      all of this,
      what a pathetic
      to all who
      are stuck






      Thank you for your time.


      Frank N. Steen!

    221. vicki on November 8th, 2006 3:28 pm

      Carpe, you kill me with the pic of URINE as frank n steen.LOL. seriously now,I really could use some answers here. Larrys Deep throat? Is it chunky Koen? what is going on…. and I really love the way deetch writes.

    222. Carpe Noctem on November 8th, 2006 4:37 pm


      What’s up Vicki? Glad u enjoyed it.
      … thx for telling me.

      You know what happens when people get
      deathly quiet and play things close
      to the chest…






      Time to drop the hammer on these Natalee
      Holloway killing weasels?????

      I vote yes
      on PROPOSITION: #151


    223. Carpe Noctem on November 8th, 2006 6:06 pm

      some arubapictures1

      recent ads






      P.S. Deetchster, wherever you are today…
      I enjoyed the new article a bunch! LOL
      You are de man in this neck of de woods.


    224. NM on November 8th, 2006 6:25 pm

      #53 Mayan_Moon,
      I believe this is a pic of Rene.
      I saved it and the post from Rocky Road and VMS of SM forum
      Rocky Roads posted: snip…. i think rene is the one on right next to the man in the denim shirt that is if you go from left to right on the picture

    225. Maggie on November 8th, 2006 7:25 pm

      OH, Please, I’ve read all the statements from everyone that has been provided. Like Deepak would be the one I would go to discuss Natalee and her character. Let’s discuss all 4 of their characters, not the victims. All 4 have the motive, means and opportunity and no corrorobation for any of the lies and alibis for almost 18 months now. Last known people to see her or be with her, noone else in 1 year has come forward to dispute that with any credible evidence. They have lied over and over about Natalee and her family and what took place. Joran says it takes a case of beer to get him drunk, he’s been drinking since he was 13 or so. They all go out and pick up girls and have sex with tourists in the same room. Joran is sick and disturbed and has numerous stories about violent episodes, Joran steals money, he didn’t answer to noone, he was the boss, he brags about sex since he was 12 or so, they lied to the cops and to the parents in the most important hours of a missing person, they made up the lie before it was known that she was missing, he stays out all night gambling and running around, he gambled and drank underage that night. He’s been labeled by the fbi as a sociopath, they’ve discussed if Natalee was found they would see that chit and Joran would get 15 years. Just who I would want my daughter to date. nottttt! They’ve done everything, but cooperate. They used the media to put on a play..act 1, 2, 3, 4 etc after weeks of reading police files and rehearsing.

      I don’t believe any of the stories, the paid liars go out and tell. They are almost just as bad as the ones who commited the crimes. If Natalee was a slut, that must make all of them the Slime kings and queens.

    226. Maggie on November 8th, 2006 8:37 pm

      No. 208 Carpe, Joran’s new buddy, rofl, she’s too good for him.

      1006 glad to see you back and that you are ok!

    227. mayan_moons on November 8th, 2006 8:54 pm

      Hey NM!

      Thanks for the pic……wow so thats Rene, glad you saved it! Ya say you got it from a site called Rocky Road….thats one i’ve never read about. I missed alot of possible connections to various sites in those crucial early weeks. It would be such a coup if we were able to get a look at the website Paul took down for Joran.

      Back to Rene…..i read he was (almost?) decapitated by his wife/gf & i don’t buy it. Rene was found dead on May 31….true? Its what i’d heard but i can’t find an obituary for him.

    228. mayan_moons on November 8th, 2006 9:06 pm

      lmao at Jip’s better half

    229. Carpe Noctem on November 8th, 2006 9:24 pm

      Did I forget to add the disclaimer dealt with legally
      on this one?

      Well, I just did.

      muah! ;)

      Justice for Natalee Ann

      We’re not letting this go Aruba.


    230. JusticeforNatalee on November 8th, 2006 10:31 pm

      There is some whining going on at FOB due to De Vries being so focused on Joran.

      Well, did it ever occur to these whiners that it is only LOGICAL for De Vries to be focused on Joran because JORAN is the LAST PERSON to be seen with NATALEE and has been LYING for over a year.

    231. Carpe Noctem on November 9th, 2006 8:21 am



      ARUBA, puh-leeze…



    232. Carpe Noctem on November 9th, 2006 9:00 am


      more pics

      Whether one of these bodies is in fact Natalee or no…

      One thing to me is very clear! It is a pile of some
      people twisted, and tucked in
      in different ways.

      They appear murdered, and I shall leave it at that. That
      is the understatement of the year!


      IN ARUBA


      Just yards away from a beautiful MARRIOTT Suite as you sleep… I mean,
      literally… if you were to turn right from filming 510-24
      and travel a football field or two… the hotel is right
      there. You could almost expectorate and hit it… but please
      don’t… I have a weak stomach.


      ARUBA, YOU MAKE ME SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!

      ” …but other than that Mrs. Lincoln
      did you enjoy the play?


      latest WATER BASIN pictures adds:




      This very may well be
      the Colombian boy’s corpse.


      4 NATALEE

    233. molly on November 9th, 2006 11:16 am

      Carpe, I never can see anything in your pictures, near, far, black, blue, white. My kids think I am crazy for trying.

      HOWEVER, in the picture of the Colombian boy, in the center of the black/blue area, I see a face. Is your face being reflected in the screen, or is this the face of someone? I don’t see anything in the circled areas. Maybe I am crazy, sigh.

      molly (in Houston)

    234. molly on November 9th, 2006 11:21 am

      ok, so if there are 3-6 bodies in the bag, what the hoohaa kind of video were they making in Aruba?? There must have been some kind of mess going on, like orgy, like video rape of the masses? Why so many people dead at once? And why did no one else come to Aruba or say anything in Aruba about their missing relative? So many people dead and only the Holloway/Twittys asked about their loved one. That’s just plain weird.

      molly (in Houston)

    235. MIss-Underestimated on November 9th, 2006 11:25 am


      Open letter from Noreen Renier regarding Natalee Holloway and the police case.

    236. Carpe Noctem on November 9th, 2006 11:35 am

      Eagles “Those Shoes”

      They’re lookin’ at you, leanin’ on you

      Tell you anything you want to hear

      They give you tablets of love

      They’re waiting for you

      Got to score you

      Handy with a shovel and so sincere!


      hey j-bo…

      You left yer shoe behind.

      Would you like it back? I would walk a mile
      in it, but apparently you already did that.




      Well ladi frikken DDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
      – Chris Farley


      BOYCOTT ARUBA, man.

    237. Carpe Noctem on November 9th, 2006 11:58 am

      Hey Molly,

      Yes, you are very correct… they are hard to see.

      It sometimes reminds me of trying to make sense
      out of old satellite pictures, like they did
      so much of in WW2.

      The resolution on each 510 VID bites a biggie…

      You know the old saying SH in, SH out…

      I have seen a face on the corpse
      too, just like you described…

      The jury is still out on it for me. I have
      also seen it where it looked like a hood
      hides facial


      There are things in 510-24 that can not be denied
      though… the white handprint on the BACK BASIN WALL,
      for instance…

      Looks LIKE ——— WHITE PAINT HAND PRINT ————

      Ring a bell?

      Where were they just
      working with white paint? ( A: #38 ROCKS )



      ROCK SITE -



      I’ll keep trying to clean them up, and make ‘em
      as clear as possible. Thanks for the input!
      You’re not crazy. lol

    238. John C on November 9th, 2006 10:59 pm


    239. NM on November 10th, 2006 4:09 pm

      Rene was killed June 17-18. I also don’t believe it was his girlfriend


      Police is investigating the cause behind the dead of the man Rene van Heyningen whose body was found behind the Government cemetery at Sabana Basora.
      It was mrs. Y.C.H., 29 years old, who arrived home at Sabana Basora around 7:30 a.m. Saturday to find the house in a total mess and with signs of violence, including traces of blood. At observing the scene police said that the injured person could not be alive.
      The man that should have been at that house could not be found anywhere, and his grey pick-up truck was not there either. Immediately alarm was sounded.
      Police agents who arrived at the scene started a thorough search of the area and moments later discover the pick-up truck behind the Government cemetery in Sabana Basor. The beheaded body of Rene van Heyningen, who worked at the refinery, was found in the bushes not far from the vehicle.
      Rene van Heyningen was born on Janaury 12, 1973 and resided at van Lennepstraat 17 in San Nicolas. So far, no detention has taken place in this case. According to the police, the house owner was heard as a possible witness.
      We extend our deepest condolences to the bereaved family.

    240. NM on November 10th, 2006 4:11 pm

      P.S. Rocky roads is not a website lol, he is a Monkey poster here.

    241. NM on November 10th, 2006 4:14 pm

      Here is a more recent article from diario about the girlfriend. I have not seen this article translated.


      scroll down to the LOCAL section and click on the first story titled

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