Holloween … Aruba Style


Who knew when asking for authorities to investigate the disappearance of a missing teenager it would turn into “trick or treat”.

Halloween, Aruba Style


(Vanderbilt – ‘06)

Aruban Holloween is now 24/7/365. The main players have done their tricks and still expect more treats. Scary place that island. The local children have so many masks to choose from however.

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  • Comments

    73 Responses to “Holloween … Aruba Style”

    1. Roxy on October 28th, 2006 4:48 pm

      Aruba….Isle of Horror’s 24/7 365 days a year!

      Prey you never go there

    2. molly on October 28th, 2006 4:51 pm

      I see a bias in the posts in SM. It is my opinion,
      from all the news I have followed, that there is no
      proof that the “BOYS” killed Natalee. Yet they are
      being convicted without a trial. I am unaware of
      this type justice. I thought I lived in America. I
      guess I am dreaming.


      SM: I strongly suggest you go back and read the statements and read them without your own bias.

      A criminal does not have to confess to a crime to be guilty.


    3. cenote530 on October 28th, 2006 5:31 pm

      you’re just mad coz you may hafta get off your ass & get a job beotch….here’s a quarter….go call someone who cares

    4. joe bear on October 28th, 2006 6:38 pm

      I am from Transylvania and we know evil,well.These creatures are to evil for our standards.Joe the were Bear

    5. Tazman on October 28th, 2006 7:41 pm

      Molly, you are one ignorant person! The proof that they are guilty is in all of the news you claim to have “followed”. And, they are not boys. They are perverted men that don’t respect women. This has been a cover up since day one. Sleazy guys going to a sleazy bar to slip drugs to innocent tourist girls on their “last day of vacation” so that they can kidnap her, rape her and kill her. They are the last 3 people seen with Natalee, so they are responsible for her whereabouts, her life, and returning her to her family. They, and everyone that has helped them and that has covered this crime up are responsible. Your stupid, insensitive, ignorant statement
      makes me want to say even more BOYCOTT ARUBA!!


    6. Tazman on October 28th, 2006 7:44 pm




    7. Marc on October 28th, 2006 7:46 pm

      Man, it was busy last couple of days, 4 cruiseships yesterday, Halloween today. October was way better than last year for us, hotels prognoses for November look even better (over 80%), hardly any rain in rain season so far. Life is good on Aruba!! Keep up the good work boys :) .

    8. Maggie on October 28th, 2006 8:38 pm

      I see noone being convicted on a blog. I see people stating their opinions based on statements and interviews and logical conclusions the past year and a half. If you believe Joran spent all evening trying to get a ride to go to CnC to score with a MB student and then didn’t because he had no condom that’s your choice. There’s also no proof, Natalee asked to do a bodyshot, Natalee wanted a drink on her way out of CnC, yelled at Joran to come over, knew she wasn’t getting in a taxi, knew she was going anywhere but her hotel room, wanted to go to Joran’s to see his big house, wanted to go to Joran’s for sex, told Joran she was a lesbian, told him her mom was Hitler’s sister, told him she lived on a plantation and black people worked for them, asked if Deepak and Satish were slaves, wanted to go see sharks, wanted to go to the beach, left her shoes with Jorans, wanted to have sex with Joran on the beach but he had no condom, asked him to stay all night, wanted to stay alone on the beach, or wasn’t drugged. All things completely out of character for Natalee. What a coincidence, only happened when with those 3.

      When Natalee doesn’t show up for 18 months and had no ID on her, no money, no passport, no food, no transportation, no personel items, no phone, no clothes, and noone seen her since she left CnC with those 3 and No Proof they were ever at the beach, and they have all lied repeatedly, why would I believe Natalee did any of those things they said. Paulus called her a body the day after she disappeared. How did he know no body, no case? Why didn’t they look for her? Why would they lie about a girls last hours when finding her could be life and death? Why would they frame 2 men for kidnapping and murder and let them sit in jail, until it was proven, Natalee didn’t return to her hotel? Please don’t tell me they were afraid. I bet they weren’t half afraid as Natalee was once she left CnC that night! This might be normal behaviour where you live, but it sure isn’t in my neighborhood.

      NO EVIDENCE…. no body searches, no house searches, car searches, property searches for 10 days…even when the cops knew the first night they were lying when Joran said I don’t even know her or her name. There was a reason they had to get everyone away from the VDS residence that night Beth showed up, otherwise you call your son and say the cops are here to speak to you , get your arse home. They went to the Holiday Inn and couldn’t point out the guards who got Natalee, a woman said the guards here do not wear dark clothing. No coroboration for anything they say that night and they are proven liars. Deepak called Joran and asked him if he went to school, but he can’t remember the answer. However in great detail he can tell you the mph he was doing that night and the locations he was driving that speed, he can even tell you what number his radio was set on. One time Satish drove to CnC and the next Deepak drove.
      Joran had to call Deepak while he was at the police station to ask him what Natalee was wearing, however a few days later he can describe Natalee’s private parts and underwear in detail. Deepak’s phone don’t work, when it helps their stories, otherwise he’s getting calls. Deepak says they have all been in the same room having sex with tourists before, Joran says he’s never seen Satish or Deepak with a girl. They say Joran is usually the one who gets the girls attention when they go out. Tell me this isn’t a plan?!

      BTW great cartoon Vanderbilt, it’s enough to make you lock the doors and board up the windows if they come to the door in these masks. Who would want their daughters, if they had any respect for them, around that group of people or anyone like them?! 20 times before one should have plenty of practice. I live in America too and if this was your daughter, these would be your number 1 suspects in your book also.

    9. Tazman on October 28th, 2006 9:07 pm


      I’m happy for you but I don’t believe you. Troll!!

      I’m going to Grand Cayman Islands!! Prettier, cleaner, SAFER!!

    10. Tazman on October 28th, 2006 9:08 pm

      Island of Dr. Mureau = Aruba

    11. molly on October 28th, 2006 9:13 pm


      I don’t disagree that the statements are damning, but
      until there is a trial and a conviction I cannot as
      an American for justice, give them the death penalty.
      I feel strongly they know what happened and tazman I
      am not ignorant, you b{{edit}}. send me your e-mail and
      we will get together and see how brave you are. You are
      a annonimous phoney.

    12. joe bear on October 28th, 2006 10:11 pm

      well well.we need justice and answers,not trolls.i just read and about all the cases where the last one with the victem,is guilty.oh,you forgot that it was known that Natalee only had $50.00 and an ID card.I wonder how.I am being sarcastic again.Joe the bear

    13. Marc on October 28th, 2006 10:19 pm

      Tazman, somehow I’m not so sorry we will not have the pleasure of your visit (being the One Happy Island and all), have fun on the Cayman Islands. I’m sure anybody from there who reads your posts must be delighted and looking forward. :)

    14. Allan K on October 28th, 2006 11:39 pm

      Dear Molly and Aruba Lovers :

      You are idiots or either deaf,dumb,and blind. Aruba is on a downward spiral from which you will not return. You children are raped in schools, people mutilated, stuffed in containers, thrown on the hillsides, graves desecrated, teens raped by Joran, drug dealers by the motels, crack shacks all over and out of control and not any convictions, etc… You don’t prosecute the Dutch on Aruba and there is no wonder why the Natalee case wasn’t taken seriously. From the very first Rudy Trapenberg said the boys had implicated the guards and it has been lies and coverups plus stalling ever since them. Oduber the pervert said when he was elected he would be working on increasing tourism, he is a sick man. He has threatened the US and Holland with his buddy Chavez.
      Do you think tourists like to hear that? I would also like to know about a lot of the drownings lately, one was in the hospital. Anyhow you are one sick puppy if you defend Aruba or side with proof in court. Most of that is destroyed. Joran didn’t do it all by his self but we would all say he is a major player and this does go up the Dutch chain with their partys with ALE attending. Oduber has dirty hands and feet.

    15. Tazman on October 29th, 2006 12:39 am

      molly, I am a what? You need a dictionary by your side to refer to. Since you claim to be an “American for justice”, I hope you also support freedom of speech that we Americans are privileged to possess. Not to mention freedom of choice. Therefore, I choose not to give you my email because this blog is not about you or me. Its about Natalee Ann Holloway.


    16. molly on October 29th, 2006 12:39 am

      Alan K, I am not sure how to take your comments. I am
      not a lover or a defender of Aruba. I blame the ALE
      and the whole Dutch Government for not yet solving
      this case, however, I am not one to convict the boys.
      I do think they know what happened, but when I see
      actual evidence and a conviction I will remain neutral.
      I think OJ is guilty but the Jury said oposite. Where
      is justice anyway ????? How can you call me dumb and
      ignorant for my thinking. I defend your right to your
      opinion without degrading you.

    17. Tazman on October 29th, 2006 1:01 am


      Thank you for your kind understanding.

    18. Allan K on October 29th, 2006 1:19 am

      Molly if you had a videotape you would not be convinced it was proof enough. There has been lies out of Aruba the hole time and you come in here talking that silly proof talk and living where? He is a psychopath[FBI SAID). Molly will you at least have in a mental hospital? Do you know what psychopath means?
      I wish he lived at your house.
      Lets talk about justice, that damn punk said he would talk when he got ready? In which Natalee’s parents live in hell thinking dead, sex slave, whatever. That is psychopathic
      mind. Do not mention my name again or I will chew you up and spit you out Molly Neutral

    19. mayan_moons on October 29th, 2006 1:30 am

      All i know is Joran & Kalpo’s pretended to be a friend when he ordered that 151+ghb for Natalee at closing time. Joran presented himself as a good guy, he wanted to gain her trust & confidence in that 10 to 20 minutes it takes for the ghb to begin to take effect. Think about how he/they assured Natalee that she’d be alright and was being taken to her hotel.

      I ask myself, how long was she concious as they drove off and out of sight of C&C’s. Did Joran & Kalpoe’s wait till she passed out before they started manhandling Natalee….did they want her to know she’d been fooled. Did they enjoy her fear.

    20. Carpe Noctem on October 29th, 2006 5:02 am

      Aruba the same toxic sewage dump that let the
      murdering raping Van der Sloots and Kalpoes
      end Natalee Holloway’s life and get away
      with it.

      ARUBA led by a criminal for criminals!

      The VAN DER SLOOTS AND KALPOES need jail
      or a dirt bath in my opinion. Take your

      Here is some of their work that they
      can put on a resume.



    21. Carpe Noctem on October 29th, 2006 5:18 am

      You guys should have your souls ripped out
      through your nostril holes for this.









      Justice 4 Natalee

    22. Southside on October 29th, 2006 6:18 am

      Joran and the others are hunters. Their prey walks on two legs. They will hunt again because they love the game.

    23. Carpe Noctem on October 29th, 2006 7:06 am


      The VAN DER RAPES AND the KALPOES I believe are
      responsible for raping and killing Natalee

      I have spent month after month examining the
      water basin bag in video 510-24 near Marriott
      Palm Beach Aruba.

      She (in my opinion) is without a doubt, in that
      bag with 1 other female and some body parts
      they threw in to confuse people.

      I think the right mix of forensic experts could do
      A BUNCH as to proving if she is in that bag or not.

      The results of an examination like that should
      be made public.


      In some countries these POS VERMIN would be been tracked down and executed already. I wish I lived in one of those
      countries. ( for just a few minutes )

      ARUBA is a disgrace, and should be avoided at all costs.

      In fact, images of the basin bin bag should be printed
      on ‘STAY AWAY FROM ARUBA POSTCARDS’ and circulated worldwide… everyone should be able to see ARUBA’S TRUE COLORS.



      What the gosh awful Van der Rapes and Kalpoe slimebags
      have done should be pursued with all resources possible.

      The fact that ARUBA let them go is purely

      C R I M I N A L



    24. Carpe Noctem on October 29th, 2006 7:10 am

      damn,when I get all upset like that… my spelling goes right out the window. :-) sorry

      It is just an outrage these slime balls are out walking free. -J4N-

    25. Rob on October 29th, 2006 8:45 am


      Â  click on search…and have a look in the mirror. Now, that’s what I call a scary place.


      SM:   There are 300 million people in the USA compared to 100 thousand in Aruba.   The USA does not rely on the tourist $ and the USA does not advertise itself as a “safe and happy island”.   (klaasend)

    26. gulf to bay on October 29th, 2006 9:21 am

      They did her like a blow up sex doll. And then shielded behind there own lies. It turn they bend there laws to benefit there innocence. But there desperate you can hear it in there words the look in there eyes. You feel it hear it in the tone of the words the way there said. No confidence just desparation. Its sad that its obvious that they just didnt even try but why if they have laws that should be followed. Is it because theyre higher up involved and the whold deck of cards would come crashing down. Everyone has something on someone else. Talk about desperation. They meant to take her and rape her but not sure what happened with the death part. But that is the part they are hiding. Along with the rape too. The other 19 or 20 times the girl just woke up on the beach and probably didnt remember to much. I wouldnt be suprised if Paulus wasnt in on the gang bang. Justice for Natalee Ann Holloway whom didnt have a chance and was outnumbered out powered. Whom never would of thought that on such a beautiful island that three locals whom had acted nice to gain trust would commit such a horrific crime on an american tourist. Pay back needs to be dealt if everything else expires thru the judicial system. Lets give em what they gave natalee with no vaseline. Send em over to see sadamm in jail in iraq. These boys had other options. But they didnt choose to look out for her safety have a few laughs maybe exchange phone numbers. Nah it wasnt there style there style was taking what they want as they think there priveleged.

    27. Smish on October 29th, 2006 10:44 am

      To #8~Maggie….you are so correct about this all!
      I totally agree with you.

    28. dutchhog on October 29th, 2006 11:54 am

      there is no such thing as a safe island in the entire carribian! i’ve been to cuba 2 years ago, absolutly beautifull!!! when i got there,this is what the guide told me.don’t wander off on your own to far,don’t go out at night esspecially alone,don’t go into any bars without a large group,watch eachothers back and don’t let people talking you into “going somewhere else” and picure this being told to a at the time 42 year old 6ft5 220 pound ex kickboxer(no pro but enough) who still works out 5/6 times a week!what do you think the chance a naive 18 year old girl will have,who(i think)is not used to drinking? ANYWAY!! still had a great time though!! you should all check it out! don’t drink the local beer it tastes like it’s made in somebodys basement stick to the gay drinks with the umbrellas and you’ll have a great time! and remember this line by heart “esto no està ¡ limpio”LOL!! the cayman islands are very nice! IF YOU GOT MORE MONEY THAN GOD!! but you’ll find that out soon enough!LOL!(forgotten about anna nicole smiths son allready huh!)

    29. Carpe Noctem on October 29th, 2006 1:10 pm

      If images of dead people freak you out, please
      skip this post entry.


      More pics of the 510-24 Water Basin Bag


      More of the girl at the
      bottom of the bag revealed.


    30. mayan_moons on October 29th, 2006 1:19 pm

      Hey Carpe!

      did you get the still i sent yesterday outlining the body?

    31. mayan_moons on October 29th, 2006 1:47 pm

      Hey Everybody!

      Can you imagine the corners being cut by Arubans to the few tourists they have had since Natalee. The food never fresh just used & re/used. The watered down drinks and you know that what ever security they had propped up to appear to tourists that their safety is of concern, was let go alonnnng time ago. Aruban’s put on that fake ass amile just waiting till you turn your back or drink a drug laced beverage so they can stick that knife in your back.
      Their fake ass smiles & fake ass bon bini is just to get you to let your guard down. Aruba is no friend to Americans.

    32. para2legal on October 29th, 2006 2:26 pm

      #31 – Bingo! All Aruba wants is your money. Over-priced corrupt island doesn’t give a rats arse about your safety.

    33. mayan_moons on October 29th, 2006 2:49 pm

      Bed linen’s that were washed once a week in Aruba are now washed once a month and thats IF there is more than 1 visable stain.

    34. mayan_moons on October 29th, 2006 2:55 pm

      Any food & drink (especially alcohol) that is left on tourist tables are poured back in and re/served to unsuspecting tourists.

    35. mayan_moons on October 29th, 2006 3:11 pm

      Every possible way to shortchange tourists/visitors during their stay on Aruba has & is being implemented before Aruban’s on a personal level begins to feel the pinch of the American Boycott.

    36. Marc on October 29th, 2006 4:24 pm

      And if we know it’s you, we piss in it too!!! :lol:

    37. molly on October 29th, 2006 6:46 pm

      Alan K. start chewing and spitting. I also
      have freedom of speech and my opinion is as
      valid as yours. Alan k, Alan K

    38. molly on October 29th, 2006 6:51 pm

      Or is that Allen K. and you said the “hole time”.
      the spelling is WHOLE time. Have a nice day Allen K or Alan K.

    39. Janus on October 29th, 2006 7:37 pm

      mayan, do you have any hard, irrefutable proof that “any food and drink” is “poured back in” and re-used?

      Just curious.

    40. Janus on October 29th, 2006 7:41 pm

      A real question, that begs to be answered and has apparently remained unanswered, is

      What do the MBHS students know?

      Did they see her get into the car that evening?
      Did anyone of her friends question her about leaving alone?
      Why did her friends leave her alone?

      Please don’t bother with conjuring up possible scenarios. Those are cheap and meaningless. Supposition (e.g. “she was drugged” “she was this” “she was that”) are pointless and meaningless without evidence.

      Real answers come from those who were there.


      SM:   The MBHS kids are not suspects.   They have given their statements to the FBI.   Aruba didn’t even try to get statements from them until about 12 months after the fact.   Just because YOU don’t know, does not mean the FBI and ALE don’t know.   (klaasend)

    41. Roxy on October 29th, 2006 8:05 pm

      awww you piss in it too marc, but thats behind the tourist’s back isn’t that right, thats all cowards like you can do. But everyone knows that you peons are kissing every American ass that you see on Aruba now more than ever, isn’t that right chump? For any American that does come to Aruba now is very demanding & wouldn’t hesitate to put you in you’re place & remind you that you can’t afford to do anything but keep your ignorant mouth shut if you expect to get a tip.

    42. anne on October 29th, 2006 8:14 pm

      Carpe — these photos. Can you forward them to the family’s lawyer?

    43. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on October 29th, 2006 8:18 pm

      Joran and the others are hunters. Their prey walks on two legs. They will hunt again because they love the game.

      Comment by Southside | October 29, 2006, 6:18 am

      To Southside,

      Your comment both interest, and horrifies me at the same time. Care to elaborate? It also involves sex right? It is not to just kill is it?

      Wouldn’t they know someone would come hunting for Natalee? Did they just pick the wrong girl?

    44. mayan_moons on October 29th, 2006 8:19 pm

      No one is conjuring up a damn thing you moron…..Jossy went on international tv & admitted bartenders in Aruba are putting ghb in tourist’s drinks.

    45. Allan K on October 29th, 2006 8:24 pm

      I see a bias in the posts in SM. It is my opinion,
      from all the news I have followed, that there is no
      proof that the “BOYS” killed Natalee. From MOLLY.

      With the intelligence I see the above statement forget it Aruba lover.

      Alan K. start chewing and spitting. I also
      have freedom of speech and my opinion is as
      valid as yours. Alan k, Alan K

      Its Allan K Molly -No your opinions aren’t valid because they are not well grounded. Your opinions are not a valid conclusion.

      Pretty soon they will be pissing in their own drinks if thats what they like to do. Spell Check Molly please!

    46. Maggie on October 29th, 2006 8:32 pm

      What’s really cheap and meaningless is when you take a shot at the victim and her friends.

    47. cenote530 on October 29th, 2006 9:15 pm

      I see a bias in ALE

      Now What?

    48. ab on October 29th, 2006 11:10 pm

      as soon as they release the kalpoes on nov 1 we’ll begin printing bumper stickers

      The Aruban Gov’t covered up the knidnapping, gang rape, murder and destroyed all evidence plus the remains of 18yr old Natalee Holloway to protect a judges son, joran van der sloot and his two kalpoe friends. AVOID ARUBA!!

    49. nuntukamen on October 30th, 2006 12:57 am

      anyone following this case knows innocent people don’t continually tell lie after lie…its that simple…there were plenty of gang bangs before; deepak admits to them and says freddie and joran procured the tourist girls, and he said so in a police statement

      ghb mixed with natalee’s asma medication is lethal, and that has been known since the beginning

      sherlock holmes will not be required

    50. molly on October 30th, 2006 1:45 am

      Uh, I would just like to make one small announcement.
      Molly (in Houston) is not the same as the Molly who is posting on here today. I added the (in Houston) a while back so that I would not be mistaken for someone else.

      Unbelievably rude. Some trolls take up all the space under the bridge!

      molly (in Houston)

    51. Carpe Noctem on October 30th, 2006 2:30 am

      When the right mix of criminal forensic
      imaging specialists come together and image this
      bag for the world to see, the VAN DER RAPES
      and the KALPOES will have no need for a

      Dead men, do not require them.


      -The girl at the bottom of the the 510-24 BASIN BAG
      near Marriott Palm Beach, Aruba.



    52. Carpe Noctem on October 30th, 2006 2:56 am
    53. Carpe Noctem on October 30th, 2006 3:10 am


      (Images of dead female bodies in the 510-24
      Marriott Palm Beach Aruba Water Basin )

      :CAPTURED OFF ARU-BAY VIDEO #24 available
      off the internet – best watched off of







      L I F E T I M E.

      Justice 4 Natalee!

    54. Carpe Noctem on October 30th, 2006 3:44 am

      Now where I come from…

      We call this an bonafide a$$ whoopin’

      …but apparently in ARUBA where Joran, Paulus, and the two
      Kalpoes come from, this is a DATE?!?!




      The lost soul at the bottom of the 510-24 WATER BASIN BAG
      up against left cement basin block – near Marriott,



    55. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on October 30th, 2006 7:45 am

      hb mixed with natalee’s asma medication is lethal, and that has been known since the beginning

      sherlock holmes will not be required

      Comment by nuntukamen | October 30, 2006, 12:57 am

      To nuntukamen,

      I ask from near the beginning if Natalee was asthmatic. Viet Vet said no, or at least that is my understanding. Have you heard something to the contrary?

    56. super dave on October 30th, 2006 8:16 am

      molly: just put your kids in Natalee’s shoes and your self in her parent’s shoes and if you feel the same. if you feel the same way, then you do deserve the treatment you are getting here. whether you live in america or not, there are statements from these punks about what they did to Natalee. even the sweaty father was in on it. if you don’t like the american viewpoint, go live with these people. i’m sure they would love your company.

    57. MIss-Underestimated on October 30th, 2006 8:55 am

      “Something bad happened to Natalee”

      “I will laugh if they find the girl alive”

      “unbelievable your father”?

      “Natalee fell and hit her head”

      “I left her on the beach”

      “I dropped her off at the hotel”

      “She wanted to see the sharks’

      “We went to the lighthouse”

      “Deepak picked me up”

      “Satish picked me up”

      “I was home with the children”

      ” I deposited the winning from the casino”

      How many of these are truth which ones are lies?
      BTW are banks open 24 hours in Aruba?

    58. Caroline on October 30th, 2006 9:07 am

      I think Marc should pass this message onto his good friend (Mr Banana). Even though the driver is not very good and way out of his league! I think we should contact NMRARACING.COM and protest the fact that a race car from Aruba is allowed to race. Is this an international organization? Why should they get free advertising in the USA?

    59. airgame12 on October 30th, 2006 9:28 am

      Hey Marc and Molly…..stick this in your A{{edit}} and smoke it!

      Fact..Deepak handed a video camera to Freddy
      Fact..Josey mansur said he had people following her in Colombia..
      Fact.. An early attempt to pay a ransom demand was handled by Josey M…
      Fact.. Beth had a strange meeting with a reporter who told her he had seen natalee..Taken away in a copter
      Fact.. ALE had Beth sign documents changing her original statement..
      Fact.. Monkey bones were found in Venezuela and these primate bones were supposedly analyzed in a forensics lab during one of the worst air disasters in Venezuelan history when the forenscis lab would be operating in overtime..
      The ironic part is any scientist would know on sight a primate bone from a human bone..
      But it was in the Venezuelan news paper..So it is a fact..Strange as it is..
      Fact..There was one man who said he had seen them put a body in the landfill..
      Fact..Josey Mansur read a letter on the news written by the wife of a Colombian witness…saying he had seen them take a body away among other things..

    60. airgame12 on October 30th, 2006 9:54 am

      And just in case you two scumbags dont want to believe the afore mentioned, try this also, as it is the facts!


    61. MIss-Underestimated on October 30th, 2006 10:28 am

      I watched Greta again last nite. In the interview with Greta I find that Joran was flustered and caught off guard about how he got home, who gave him the ride home. If you have a chance watch it again. I think this is the weak part in the statements with all of them. This maybe, if hammered away with Joran and Paulus because these two really have issues with the time line, might be where the real truth is at.

    62. Sharon Chicago on October 30th, 2006 10:41 am

      #58 Misunderestimated…. Surely the Dutch are not going to just sit on their hands and call it a day as far as reopening this case and doing a complete investigation?? …UNLESS…for some reason, they want the FBI to take it over and to interrogate once again the 3 suspects along with Paulus and Freddy, etc. etc.??

      How could they not think those guys are guilty? Lie after Lie after Lie… that should not be allowed…they should have jumped their butts as soon as they heard the first contradiction/lie come out of their mouths…

      Just waiting to see which way the breeze blows…

    63. Sharon Chicago on October 30th, 2006 10:44 am

      SOMETHING good must be going on…Kelly is as quiet as a church mouse and so is Holland…

      It is very obvious these guys lied to cover up their dirty deeds…lets just hope that Holland will not sweep it under the carpet like Aruba did…

      If they do … I have no faith in them!!

    64. Brenda T. on October 30th, 2006 12:41 pm

      Dutchhog! Glad to see you posting. Please go back to this message board as I was able to respond. Something about you has managed to spike my interest. I think we have alot of common beliefs, but they are coming from totally different angles as we live on different continents and are help by the “mass hypnosis” of a much, different system.



    65. MIss-Underestimated on October 30th, 2006 1:17 pm


      Yes it is very quite lately, I am hoping that the Dutch are compiling all the information MISSED, I am curious as to know if they (Dutch) can question the suspects again or does the Dutch advise Aruba what to do, the later scares me? I am not sure what will happen next. I just think that any investigator worth his sweat (excuding you know who) would want to requestion all of the suspects again.

      Why did Joran need a drink when Greta asked about his ride back from the beach? That is the part in the interview that tells Joran was uncomfortable with that question.

      Brenda T…good to see ya.

    66. Richard on October 30th, 2006 1:24 pm

      One thing is clear to me. Whatever one believes or chooses not to believe in the saga of Natalee Holloway (and I for one continue to think there is a chance that she was taken off the island, but certainly it didn’t happen without the knowledge of JvdS at least, and probably the Kalpoes … their knowledge and/or their participation), the conduct of Aruba is that of the sewer.

      There are no two ways about it. Either you believe that elements of the Aruban government and law enforcement did participate in a cover-up to protect certain people (in which case the reason to boycott Aruba is obvious) or you do not.

      IF you do not, then it is clear that the Aruban government is incapable of even the simplest things. So avoiding the island is nothing more than an exercise in self-preservation and common sense.

      Aruba chooses to emulate the ostrich, hide its metaphorical head in the sand and hope it will someday come out and see a clear horizon.

      We are NOT going away.

      We want answers. Not lies, answers.

      Nothing else will do.

    67. Sharon Chicago on October 30th, 2006 2:43 pm

      #65 Miss-underestimated…. Did’nt the Kalpoe’s attorney say that the “boys (more like snake charmers)” said they
      did not give Joran a ride home from the beach… OR
      was this story changed again by the 2K’s? Maybe that is why
      Joran had to stop and take a drink…he got a little “rush” having to answer that question with another lie…?

    68. Sharon Chicago on October 30th, 2006 2:47 pm

      #66 Richard…lets say the 3 suspects are the guilty ones (as if we did not already know that) do you think that they would sell Natalee to a porn ring in Venezuela?

      I don’t… I think like Joran said…we have done this 20 times before and no one ever dissappeared (something to that effect/bad happened)….. I think they were use to drugging tourists … raping them dropping them back off at their hotel so that when they woke up they could not remember any thing other than having a hang over.

      Something bad did happen/ Natalee was murdered…

    69. Sharon Chicago on October 30th, 2006 3:00 pm

      I DON’T think Satish or Deepak hit Natalee with their car and killed her. If that was the case Joran would be totally selling them down river and would be pointing his finger at the 2K’s … NOPE all three were involved and are guilty. They are all liars…

      I just hope Holland is not stupid enough to agree with
      Aruba that these three are not guilty.

    70. super dave on October 30th, 2006 3:36 pm

      MARC/MOLLY: i guess you think saddam and osama are also innocent ?

    71. MIss-Underestimated on October 30th, 2006 4:17 pm

      They could all being lying about the pick up, first Paulus 4 am noooo 11pm. Then Satish or Deepak. I think the first lie was uncovered by Beth with the 11pm and 4 am difference. I think Deepak and Satish did not pick him up. Joran almost stammered when he answered that question from Greta.

      Are the banks in Aruba open 24/7 and do atm machines take deposits? Paulus said he deposited Jorans poker winnings.

    72. Maggie on October 30th, 2006 7:08 pm

      Actually Deepak or Satish may well, not have picked up Joran, because I don’t believe they were ever at the beach to pick him up. Not one witness to say they ever were. I’m guessing with Deepak’s loud car going there twice, and Joran talking about all the people on the beach and passing a couple on the beach, plus the fisherman who were there, that just one would remember the car, or seeing them or finding their shoes on the beach. 18 months, NONE, no coroboration at all. I don’t believe the records of them on the internet, could’ve been anyone, or could’ve been on and they weren’t home. Satish and Deepak have a sister. Their mom blew their time alibi out of the water, when she appeared via video on Dr. Phil last year, and she tried to get them not to show it after she realized it.

    73. Richard on October 31st, 2006 5:52 am

      Sharon Chicago (#68) … I’m not committed to any view, but my own idea is that the name of the Pimps, which is what Joran’s group called itself, is more significant than most people feel inclined to believe. Ditto with the fact that PvdS took the group’s Web site off the Internet as soon as Joran was brought in (destruction of evidence?).

      We’ve heard the tales that the Pimps drugged and raped local girls. It’s my idea that at some point they began fantasizing about “more exotic” prey … that being the naive young tourists who provide 80% of Aruba’s economy, who are a group of “outsiders” (and therefore, in some ways, don’t matter), and (most important) whose vulnerabilities Joran and crew would have taken note of, at the casinos and bars.

      “Hey, it would be easy to grab one of those girls!” I can imagine Joran or one of his group saying … and then fantasy somehow began to turn to planning.

      We know that he said “We’ve done this twenty times before,” or some words like that. What we don’t know is what he meant by “this,” or even if there’s any truth behind that statement. (If he is a psychopath, as some have said, lying and making up stories comes as naturally as breathing.)

      Anyway, we know that Aruba is a corrupt place where all sorts of things go on, including drug trafficking. It was singled out, as were the Netherlands Antilles, in the State Department’s 2006 report on human trafficking.

      I believe, quoting from memory, that the report said something like: at least 500 foreign women are involved in prostitution in the Netherlands Antilles, some of whom are known to have been trafficked.

      I do not believe that the three stooges are members in a human trafficking ring. But it would be very interesting to know what kinds of fantasies the group shared among itself, what kinds of porn it devoured (did that porn aid and abet fantasies of controlling girls?), what Hollywood fare it took in night after night … and remember, it wouldn’t be friends and neighbors who would be the victims, it would be some of those unimportant tourists who come and go.

      And if my hypothesis is right … that the abducted tourist girl, whether Natalee was targeted or not, was to be “shared” among ALL the Pimps, then it is likely that they held her somewhere on the island for more than the night she vanished. It would be easy for a drug lord to do; simply administer heroin at periodic intervals.

      And at some point, someone, perhaps Lorenzo van Rijn, reputedly the big Ecstasy dealer, decided how the gang would get out of trouble and throw its weight around, demonstrate its “toughness” to its drug contacts.

      “Here, man, you take this girl with you. And you take care of her.”

      With that, in a way, the gang’s “triumph” would have been complete. Their fantasy would have been carried out.

      I don’t know if this is what did happen. I strongly suspect that something like it did … and a year and a few months later, there is still no sign of Natalee anywhere on the island and these adolescents still aren’t talking.

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