Aruba Tourism Issue Continue, AVP wants more investments in tourism … They should want to solve a crime.


AVP wants more investments in tourism  (Dutch version below). The only investment that willBlack_eye_man help Aruba’s “black eye” abroad is to personally invest into the truth of what happened to Natalee Holloway and to make sure cronyism never occurs again if harm comes to a tourist. Other than that, what difference does it make what Aruba spends to create a facade?

ORANJESTAD – we have been very disappointed concerning the way the Oduber cabinet minimizes the crisis situation in tourism. Tourism from the United States has decreased and last year approximately 100,000 less tourists came. Worrisome is that studies of Aruba Tourism show the Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA), that the image of Aruba is considerably damaged abroad. That is the opinion of Mike Eman, leader of AVP, after a three day debate concerning the state of the budget of the ministry of tourism and transport.


AVP wil meer investeringen in toerisme
Abonnee Artikel
ORANJESTAD — “We zijn zeer teleurgesteld over de manier waarop kabinet Oduber de crisissituatie in het toerisme bagatelliseert. Het toerisme uit de Verenigde Staten is afgenomen en in het afgelopen jaar kwamen er circa 100.000 toeristen minder. Zorgwekkend is dat studies van Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA) laten zien dat het imago van Aruba in het buitenland behoorlijk aangetast is.” Dat is de mening van Mike Eman, fractieleider van AVP, na het drie dagen durende debat in de Staten over de begroting van het ministerie van Toerisme en Transport.
11 Sep, 2006, 17:22 (GMT -04:00)

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  • Comments

    47 Responses to “Aruba Tourism Issue Continue, AVP wants more investments in tourism … They should want to solve a crime.”

    1. Carpe Noctem on September 14th, 2006 7:03 pm




    2. dennisintn on September 14th, 2006 7:12 pm

      wait till mike sees the figures for 2006. he’ll have a heart attack.

    3. mayan_moons on September 14th, 2006 9:30 pm

      I’ve asked myself alittle over a year now as have many of you the 64 thousand dollar question. WHY IN THE HELL are officals willing to sacrifice the livelyhood & reputation(before Natalee it seemed to be ok) of the ENTIRE island for these 3 punks??? Van Stratten is Paul’s friend & J’s god father & in a position to derail the investigation which i totally believe he did. BUT WHY is Oduber going along with this??? I could not understand it until i saw the pic posted here a couple of months ago of Oduber’s sons with bandanna’s tied arround their heads & flashing gang signs like the rest of the pimp(les). Same thing with Van der Stratten, i can’t believe it took over a year to discover he has a son in this age group also. Now i’m not saying these well kept secret sons are involved but if they are it answers the biggest question i’ve had of why Oduber doesn’t save the island.
      How can we find out more about these guys & their whereabouts on May 30, 2005?

    4. dennisintn on September 14th, 2006 10:34 pm

      they may or may not have been involved with natalee, but you might win some cash if you bet on them being involved with similar activities that they all know about and will implicate each other in if push comes to shove.

    5. IndyDan on September 14th, 2006 10:45 pm

      I’ve wondered the same thing mayan_moons and have come to the conclusion that all these tourism specialists in Aruba are just shills paid by the Aruban taxpayer dollar much like zombies in the corporate world. They can’t change the corporate direction so they continue to throw out these ideas they think will patch things up until the ship sinks and they are let go. None of the shills have the authority to say hey, “we aren’t trashing anymore money on tourism promotion, we’re damaged goods, until we show the world we’re serious about protecting our tourists, we need to go into damage control, take the murdering – raping VanDerSloots down for the crime they committed on Natalee Holloway, then and only then will tourists view Aruba as a safe place to visit. Otherwise it’s nothing more than a very dangerous place for the unsuspecting. It’s Buyer Beware!

    6. Allan K on September 15th, 2006 12:22 am

      Where are the top dutch cops? What is wrong with the Aruban’s and Dutch? Invest in tourism, they are only fooling themselves if that. People are getting killed left and right, dismemberments, rapes in schools with no police action.
      Girls getting raped from Joran with Dennis Jacobs turning them aside. A known psycopath wandering around the island at will. Hints of them being videotaped. Also Mr.Pink leaving the island at the time of Natalee. Why did he leave if he was doing nothing wrong?
      Suicides on the beach, peeping toms in the bushes, and crack sheds all over the island. Men locking their self inside containers and dying. Fight Crime Arubians and learn to tell the truth. INVEST IN TOURISM GO FIGURE!

    7. Maggie on September 15th, 2006 12:30 am

      Let’s all chip in and buy Mike Eman and all the others on this case, the game of CLUE!

    8. Bob on September 15th, 2006 12:38 am

      I sold my timeshare in early 2006 after 16 years, and am glad I did. Frankly, I wouldn’t spend another week in Aruba if it was for FREE. Aruba is now on my list of things/places that I personally avoid. Thousands and thousands of others have the same opinion and have or will act accordingly.

      I am gratified to see absolutely NONE of the regular Travel Agency ads in the N.Y. Sunday newspapers, week after week, offering ads or packages for Aruba. Instead, they are pushing the Virgin Isl, Bahamas, and the usual cast of other Carribean destinations. Aruba is on EVERYONE’s shit list.

    9. ayfit on September 15th, 2006 12:44 am

      What can I say,that I haven’t already said.These boys are untouchable.They could confess and they still wouldn’t convict them. It’ amazing.This is easily the most corrupt place in the world,thats right,they are no diffrent than their neighbor Venezuela.Who in their right mind would visit this awful place.I discourage travel to Aruba whenever I can.If the subject comes up,I am quick to support Beth and her efforts to promote Safe Travels for our young people.

      I can only imagine how this has changed Beth’s life. On second thought I don’t think I can. As a father of three girls,what can I say.I love them with all my heart.I really don’t think I could handle having one of them taken from me,and then have a corrupt government on some piss ant island cover and protect those who took my child. This is just plain wrong.Everyone knows who is accountable.The actions or lack there of have made the island of Aruba accountable.

    10. Carpe Noctem on September 15th, 2006 12:57 am

      a snip it from the NOVA TV INTERVIEW

      of the lying murdering raping Paulus Van der Sloot (imo)
      he goes on to speak about his lying, predatory, raping,
      murdering psycopathic pig of a son.

      ( I will DO ANYTHING to protect my son
      (predatory pig) ) — Paulus Van der Rape


      –Joran switches up stories–

      Reporter (Twan Huys): When did you find out that it was, nevertheless, different than how it was told by your son in the first place?

      Paulus van der Sloot: He was arrested and then he changed his declaration.

      Host ( Jeroen Pauw): Ok, Twan, so there are different declarations. What did Joran say in his second declaration?

      Reporter (Twan Huys): Very simple, Jeroen, in his first declaration, he has said that, indeed, that he went, together with his two friends and Natalee, to the beach and that, that night, deep in the night, actually in the morning, all of them went back to the Holiday Inn hotel, where she was staying, and dropped her off there. That story is incorrect. That story, as told, has been retracted by Joran and also by his both friends, who are also still stuck [in jail]. He did that as soon as he was arrested and was interrogated by the police. He also never told the story as he told to the police to his parents. His declaration now is that he left Natalee alone on the beach, and then went home by himself, and that his two friends were nowhere near that. That is the second version, and until now Joran holds on to that, under severe police interrogation.

      Host ( Jeroen Pauw): Any idea how Natalee’s parents will react if they will see this interview, between you and the parents of Joran?

      Reporter (Twan Huys): I have, like I said to you in the broadcast of yesterday, trodded along the past two days with the parents of Natalee, at least with her mother and stepfather. They are convinced that the son, Joran, and the father, Paul, are the key to finding their daughter back, and I think they will not be convinced by the interview. But they have not seen it, because we just recorded it. Anyway, I asked Paul van der Sloot, what he thinks of the fact that the parents of Natalee are convinced that the answer to all their questions are with the Van der Sloot family .

      Paulus van der Sloot: I have also spoken with the mother and I think it is a pity that, apparently, I have not been able to convince her that that is not the case. During that conversation, I had the feeling I had a reasonable contact with her and I tried to make it clear that the key is not with us, but, apparently, she didn’t pick it up that way.

      Reporter (Twan Huys): Can you imagine the suspicion from them after the first declaration of Joran was incorrect? And that in there, other things were said than what really happened?

      Paulus van der Sloot: Yes, because Joran did not tell the truth immediately, he has brought himself in a cumbersome position, as a result of which, his later declarations can be doubted. He brought himself into that position, yes. Possibly, he can give an explanation why he changed his declaration, but that is the difficult position that he is in.


      How do you think he feels now, over a year later…
      after Joran has changed it 2 more major times and
      told roughly three dozen additional lies
      - smaller lies – that
      really don’t make a toot… BUT THEY ARE LIES, so

      Justice 4

    11. Maggie on September 15th, 2006 1:28 am

      Reasons I believe the shark story was all made up.. JAWS PART 33

      1. I had placed my socks in my shoes and walked with my shoes in my hand further on the beach. Natalee and myself stood for a short while at the waters edge and kissed. At that moment in time Natalee told me that she liked Aruba. She also said to me that she wanted to see sharks. I told her that there were no sharks around Aruba. (Joran June 14th, on the beach at the Marriot)

      2.When the girl saw persons in the group, she opened the window and she greeted them. In the car, the white blonde said girl said to Joran that they should go to the NORTH SIDE OF ARUBA to see sharks. Deepak decided to drive to the North side of Aruba so that the girl could see sharks. (Satish May 31st)

      3. I told Deepak to drive to the Lighthouse because Natalee had said to me that she wanted to see sharks. I had told Natalee that there were no sharks but she insisted that she had seen sharks already.AT NO POINT HAD NATALEE SAID TO ME THAT SHE WANTED TO GO TO THE NORTH COAST. With Deepak’s car one cannot drive to the North Coast because his car is too low.(Joran June 9th) (Check Satish’s above May 31st statement North Side of Aruba) (Read the primetime INterview below.. Joran says Natalee wanted to go to the NORTH COAST to see sharks)

      We were driving on the boulevard where the gas station is when the girl said she wanted to go see the sharks in the vicinity of the “lighthouse”. Joran told the girl that there were no shark in the vicinity of the “lighthouse”. (Satish June 11th)

      5.I drove on until we got to the intersection where I had last seen her friends. When we arrived there I saw that they were no longer there. I asked Joran what were were going to do now. The girl said at some point something about “Sharks” and “Lighthouse”. That is what I had heard. Joran then said “Lighthouse”. I knew at that moment that I assumed she wanted to see the “Lighthouse”. I hadn’t thought anything else. I drove into the direction of the “Lighthouse” with a speed of between seventy to eighty kilometers an hour.
      (Deepak June 9th)

      7. “Then Joran decides not to take Natalee to his house, because he says, his father and brother are sleeping. Then he says Natalee has an idea to go to the lighthouse on the NORTH COAST TO SEE SHARKS.” (Primetime)
      Interviewer: (Chris Cuomo) You say Natalee said she wanted to see sharks.

      Joran van der Sloot: Yeah.

      Interviewer: Lots of sharks around Aruba?

      Joran van der Sloot: No, no. No sharks at all.

      Interviewer: But she thought she wanted to see sharks?

      Joran van der Sloot: Yeah. And I — I don’t know. I told her there’s no sharks on
      Aruba. So I leaned up and I told Deepak to go ahead and drive to the lighthouse.
      I was talking to her the whole time. And so she was basically telling me stuff about
      her life.

      Interviewer: Such as?

      Joran van der Sloot: That — where she’s from, where she went to school, how old she was.

      (Joran don’t forget your June 14th statement..When Natalee and myself were dropped off at the Marriot Hotel by Satish and Deepak it was approximately 01.50 am. After we were dropped off Natalee and myself walked to the beach in front of the Marriot Hotel. While we were walking I noticed there was sand in my shoes. I took off my shoes and my socks. I had placed my socks in my shoes and walked with my shoes in my hand further on the beach. Natalee and myself stood for a short while at the waters edge and kissed. At that moment in time Natalee told me that she liked Aruba. She also said to me that she wanted to see sharks. I told her that there were no sharks around Aruba. SHE KEPT ON ASKING ME WHERE SHE WAS FROM. I had told her that I didn’t know. Natalee asked me this about five or six times)

      8. Greta’s interview
      VAN SUSTEREN: Did you ever actually make it to your house?

      VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, we did. We actually did stop in front of my house. We got to my house and then, yes then I — then she said she wanted to go see sharks.(What happened to your brother and father that was asleep, that you didn’t want to wake? Primetime)

      VAN SUSTEREN: Why sharks?

      VAN DER SLOOT: I have no idea why she wanted to go see sharks and so I was laughing and telling her there’s no sharks.

      (Lies, Lies and more Lies)

    12. Carpe Noctem on September 15th, 2006 4:41 am

      Good points, Maggie… some things I hadn’t picked up on in there too.

      Thank you for posting that!

      She wants to see sharks… Joran says there are no sharks,
      but goes anyway! Hmmm, he seems to have a bad habit of
      doing things that he doesn’t
      think he should do, huh?

      Like going to Carlos & Rapers
      on a BORING SUNDAY NIGHT!!!!

      AS USUAL – WORD 4 WORD -
      NEVER MATCH!!!

      NEITHER DOES Joran, or the two

      Their stories never
      match, even when taking in to
      consideration A PERSON’S

      Is it really POOR MEMORY SKILLS…

      or just S E L E C T I V E

      Justice 4 Natalee
      We need to jail the lying predatory
      murdering raping Joran Van der Sloot.

    13. mayan_moons on September 15th, 2006 5:44 am

      post#8 Good for you Bob unloading that worth ALOT LESS timeshare so early in the year. Even better to hear there are no aruba ads & agents are steering travelers away from criminal island!

      BOB you say you had the timeshare 16 yrs, you must know alot about the island & the people. Would you share some of your thoughts & knowledge about them? I’ve yet to see anyone who’s went or been there for that long period of time. I’m sure it was great or seemed to be for you to buy into a timeshare. What was it like then as compared to recent years and today. I’m thinking have you ever witnessing anything strange but didn’t think that it was till now. Any insight would be great! TIA

    14. JusticeforNatalee on September 15th, 2006 12:01 pm

      Aruba, you can build it and they WON’T come!

      You can renovate, pick up litter, offer discounts and specials, but it WON’T matter.

      Aruba is now notorious as a sleazeball island and tourism is TANKING.

      Guess what, Aruba? We Americans now know that you don’t value us or our lives, only our MONEY.

      Newsflash! You don’t treat ANYONE’s daughter the way you treated Natalee!

    15. KELMAL on September 15th, 2006 10:50 am

      ayfit #9, I agree 100%. The boys are UNTOUCHABLE” and they know it. They are home FREE !!! By the way, WELCOME to the “CLUB” !!!Every week I get MORE and MORE members !!!

    16. Libby on September 15th, 2006 11:12 am

      Anyone know when the pretend investigation is going to take place by the Dutch?

    17. 10061906 on September 15th, 2006 12:01 pm

      Well lookie here. They are still at it with the female tourists aren’t they.
      Michael Dompig’s buddy Andreas with the same rosary beads.

    18. 10061906 on September 15th, 2006 12:14 pm

      If Joran did leave Natalee on the beach did anyone check out this guy. Seems to fit some previous description.
      Are those the fisherman’s huts in the background

    19. nychic on September 15th, 2006 12:47 pm


      Those are beach umbrellas behind one of the hotels -

      Scroll down to “locations” on this thread and you
      will see the fisherman’s huts:

    20. KELMAL on September 15th, 2006 1:30 pm

      Libby, It started and is already OVER. They are down on the beach getting a good tan !!!!!!!

    21. 10061906 on September 15th, 2006 1:57 pm

      Hi Nychic. Great Link thank you.
      Everyone that has been arrested as a suspect or witness somehow all these locals are linked.


      Joran van der Sloot
      Koen Gottenbos
      Geoffrey von Cromvoirt
      Guido Wever
      Michael Dompig
      Deepak Kalpoe
      Satish Kalpoe
      Steve Croes
      P van der Sloot
      Jan van der Straaten.

      Andreas ? Could this be the AB that was with Geoffrey at C & C’s on 5/27/05 ?
      Geoffrey must know Joran. They both hang out around the HI and should have run into each other at some time.
      They must be EITHER in competition trying to pick up female tourists OR WORK AS A TEAM for the same purpose.
      Geoffrey definitely had his picture taken in some of the female tourists’ rooms at the HI.
      Geoffrey and Michael Dompig hang out together and have had their pictures taken by tourists as they impersonate police. So Geoffrey must know Andreas who hangs out with Michael.
      Joran plays ball with Guido.
      Guido was a dealer at the Wyndram.
      Joran gambles at the Windram.
      PVDS also gambles at the Wyndram so he must know Guido.
      PVDS has legal contacts in Aruba so he knows Jan van der Straaten
      who knows Gerald Dompig who has a druggie for a relative called Boeti who hustles drugs around the HI and is untouchable.
      Joran and Guido play racquet ball together.
      Joran knows Koen and Freddie so Koen must know Guido and Freddie.
      Freddie lives near Joran so Freddie must know Guido.
      Joran knows Deepak and Satish who must know Michael. So Joran must know Michael and probably Geoffrey and Andreas.
      Steve Croes knows Deepak and Satish so he must know Joran.
      Deepak and Satish are related to Gerald Dompig so they must know Michael. And if the K2′s know Michael they probably know Geoffrey and Andreas who in turn probably know Deepak and Satish who know Joran and Koen, who know Steve Croes. And since Joran is Jan VDS’ god son; he probaly knows all of the above.

    22. Sarahscooby on September 15th, 2006 1:57 pm

      Hey everyone, I received this email today from United Vacations. Hasn’t United gotten the message yet that people aren’t interested in vacations on Aruba anymore?

      “Family Fun? A romantic fall getaway? Or…? [Do I have to say it?]

      United is All-inclusive

      Caribbean vacations with Occidental Hotels & Resorts With six all-inclusive resorts throughout the Riviera Maya, Punta Cana, Puerto Vallarta and Aruba, it’s no wonder an Occidental Hotel & Resort vacation is one you never forget.”

      Yup they are right – Natalee Hollway’s parents will certainly never forget their daughter’s vacation to Aruba. Shame on United for increasing their marketing efforts to sell tickets to Aruba. I know several people have written to them to stop flying there. Obviously they don’t listen very well.

      Also isn’t Occidental the resort that keeps putting out the same food day after day? I wouldn’t go if they gave me a free trip. OK, I’m done ranting. Feel better now.

    23. KELMAL on September 15th, 2006 2:30 pm

      sarah, Do you really think that United would STOP flying to Aruba because a few people told them not to ????? I’m sure you are NOT that NAIVE !!!!!

    24. minnesota dad on September 15th, 2006 2:58 pm

      I posted this the other day, but it disappeared.

      I get free vacations at RCI resorts. They are last minute deals where RCI Resorts post openings for their resorts. These deals get posted to a website, and then I can choose.

      The site is chock full of Aruba resorts…but rather than saying “Aruba”, they are calling it the “Dutch Antilles”.

      The interesting thing is, they already know that they are going to have huge vacancies, so they are posting these for many weeks out. I still can’t get into other caribbean resorts yet, but if I wanted to go to Aruba….no problem.

      They are getting desperate down there!

      For my 20th anniversary I am heading to the Caribbean….I won’t be heading to Aruba…also known as the “Dutch Antilles”. md

    25. Libby on September 15th, 2006 3:56 pm

      Well…sadly Kelmal, that wouldn’t surprise me. That is why I called it a pretend investigation anyway. The whole thing is a joke.

      I’m still hanging my posters. Hopefully, we can keep people away from Aruba and / or perhaps save the life of another innocent girl. Given the opportunity, Joran and Paulus will do it again.

    26. JusticeforNatalee on September 15th, 2006 4:00 pm

      Aruba is being promoted as part of the Dutch Antilles?

      False advertising!

      Aruba, since 1986, has NOT been part of the Dutch Antilles!

    27. KELMAL on September 15th, 2006 4:13 pm

      Libby, Yep I agree. This whole thing has been a joke. The boycott will NOT solve this case but it might save a young girl and that is GOOD. That is also why people should also know how dangerous cruises are and Jamaica is. Remember the SAME thing happened in Jamaica. I think the boycott is good for that reason. I think the people who think the boycott will force aruba to tell us the Truth are INSANE. Or even funnier are the people who say we are going to EXPAND the boycott. Now that is just plain STUP** !!!!!

    28. Carpe Noctem on September 15th, 2006 4:25 pm

      An old CDNN Slide show
      of the Island de
      Murdering Raping Predatory
      Joran and Paulus Van der Sloot
      & the Kalpoes! (imo)


      76 SLIDES


      Justice 4 Natalee!

    29. Carpe Noctem on September 15th, 2006 4:35 pm

      kelmal eeks:
      Or even funnier are the people who say we are going to EXPAND the boycott. Now that is just plain STUP** !!!!!


      LOL! Yeah… kelmal, almost as stupid
      as a predatory raping van der sloot
      looking in his rearview mirror posting
      on the SM BOARD from Arnhem thinking
      he is going to sway people’s opinions
      away from him and his predatory
      raping murdering
      serial lying flea
      bag of a father.

      Of course those are just my opinions. …AND
      a murdering raping
      VAN DER SLOOT, huh?

      Justice 4 Natalee

    30. Maggie on September 15th, 2006 4:46 pm

      Carpe.. I have no idea what religion Straten is. I didn’t even know the VDS’s were Jewish.. That makes sense now if so, that he would make a Hitler comment. Anything to incite hatred towards Natalee and her family. I thought I had read they were Catholic. I just think it’s funny he’s going to restructure the Bonaire Police Force. He’s done such a great job in Aruba. His opening line, hey men arrest the wrong people and hide all the evidence,..unless they are a poor minority.

    31. KELMAL on September 15th, 2006 4:55 pm

      carpe, We agree again. Great Post !!!!!!

    32. 10061906 on September 15th, 2006 5:33 pm

      Its long but makes for interesting reading:

    33. 10061906 on September 15th, 2006 5:53 pm

      Whatever happened to “Joe is coming to Aruba and bringing HELL with him” Joe Mammana?

      What ever happened to “We will re question everyone and come to a conclusion” Steve Cohen?

    34. KELMAL on September 15th, 2006 6:06 pm

      1906, What did happen to JOE ??? Great question !!!! Another one who is ALL TALK and NO WALK !!!!

    35. minnesota dad on September 15th, 2006 6:20 pm

      Justice for Natalee,

      Here is the advertisement that I found for a free week at a condo:

      Occidental Grand
      J.E. Irausquin Blvd. No. 83
      P.O. Box 218
      Oranjestad, NETHERLANDS ANTILLES 297-5864500

      So there you go….if no one will come to Aruba, you need to change the name to get the people to come!

      Sorry Aruba….I am not coming to your island! md

    36. david r on September 15th, 2006 7:15 pm

      This just reinforces the fact that Aruba is a dangerous place for Americans to visit. The government looks at tourists as a mere commodity. The fact that tourists are getting killed in Aruba is not important to them. They think it something that advertising can cure. Any nation with decent core values would be concerned about the safety of foreigners on their soil. Not the Arubans, though. They don’t like us. They only want our money. If we should die there, it isn’t their concern.

    37. Maggie on September 15th, 2006 7:29 pm

      JoeM was on Donny Deutsch’s show about a week ago and at the end of he talked about Natalee’s case. He hasn’t changed his feelings or opinions on this case. He isn’t allowed in Aruba.. sure is strange he isn’t, but Michael Posner is.

    38. KELMAL on September 15th, 2006 8:03 pm

      maggie, That’s what he is telling everyone now. I can’t go there. RIGHT !! Now who believes that ??? What about Holland ??? He can go there but he won’t. ALL TALK and NO WALK !!!

    39. Carpe Noctem on September 15th, 2006 8:21 pm

      Well first of all,
      to an assassin, assassination organizer/planner
      or the funder of an assassin…
      T H E L A S T
      thing you want to do is
      be going on national tv programs
      drawing attention to your self.

      that is the “kiss of death”

      you have to be quiet and stealth…

      I am pretty sure if someone were to take
      a character like Joran out… it would
      be someone who looked walked and talked
      like a local, or may even in fact be
      hired locals. Someone who had complete
      access and would never raise an eyebrow.

    40. Sarahscooby on September 15th, 2006 11:27 pm

      Kelmel – a bunch of us concerned people have started a letter campaign to United. They are getting bombarded with our concerns about cutting back service to Aruba. SO, it’s not just a few people. In fact it’s probably dozens by now. On the Blogs for Natalee site, there was a thread about this and there were all kinds of posters who participated. They are simply ignoring us in favor of trying to keep their profits up. It’s corporate greed, pure and simple. United doesn’t care about its passengers – just as the people of Aruba see tourists as disposable. We’ll see what they both have to say when the numbers keep declining, though.

    41. Carpe Noctem on September 16th, 2006 2:29 am

      Hey UNITED and JETBLUE, FAA, NTSB… a request for you-

      raise Nelson Oduber and request an Official Tour
      of Aruban radar controls.

      Are they telling us
      the truth this time?

      Or will Aruba contribute
      to more US loss of life?

      How hard could a guided
      in person tour be???


    42. para2legal on September 16th, 2006 8:31 am

      Maggie #11 – great post; especially disturbing is 7 – when Joran says Natalle kept asking him where she was from. Drugs were taking effect, it’s more likely she asked him where she was.

    43. para2legal on September 16th, 2006 8:36 am

      #41 – sorry, for the past week my typing has been the pits. I know her name is Natalee.

    44. KELMAL on September 16th, 2006 10:43 am

      sarah, There were dozens of letters. You are kidding me. Dozens?? LOL There are THOUSANDS that fly with them and they are making tons of MONEY. Do you really think they would STOP because there are DOZENS of letters ???? LOL

    45. Maggie on September 16th, 2006 5:02 pm

      It was reported last year that JOEM was not allowed in Aruba because he has a felony record. I support JoeM also in his efforts. He made a mistake, admitted to it and apologized, did his time and has since done many good things to help others. The cops were looking for Greta for knocking on the Kalpoes door and saying Nadira.. It was reported the Kalpoes said she was yelling Killer. Now, I don’t agree with Greta sometimes, but I in no way believe she was yelling Killer at the Kalpoes door.

      However after what and who we’ve seen come and go to Aruba..that’s laughable they would block him and let in Posner . Dave said there are some good cops down there. I will take his word for it. We know why they weren’t allowed on Natalee’s case.

    46. KELMAL on September 16th, 2006 7:56 pm

      Maggie, Joe can go to Holland but he doesn’t. Like I said ALL TALK and NO WALK !!!!

    47. Carpe Noctem on September 16th, 2006 10:57 pm

      sounds like Joran, he talks about beating the crap out of people… but in reality the only people he can beat up are vulnerable females… joran loves the talk, but the only thing he can deliver on is sweat and escapism, it reminds me a lot of his coward rapist liar of a dad running from news crews.

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