Jossy Mansur; “The irony of all this is that Arubans don’t have anything to do with the case.”
From Diaro comes another editorial from Jossy Mansur, Editorial: NATALEE: E DETAYENAN CU TA SALIENDO!
Jossy Mansur in his latest editorial makes a point that Scared Monkeys has been making for quite some time. Last week in an entitled, “USA Today Portrays Aruba in Their Travel Section”, Scared Monkeys stated the following:
The situation is made worse when most of the horror of Natalee Holloway’s disappearance was done by non Arubans. Non locals committing acts that is tearing at the social fabric of the island. This is the huge source of discomfort for the Aruban people. So no matter that the Aruban’s cry that they are a loving people and had nothing to do with this, they are still in the line of fire.
They personally want it solved, but they also do not want their livelihood and reputation as a people ruined. I do not blame them. The classic adage, a reputation can take years to build and a moment to destroy, is very true.
Jossy Mansur’s editorial states the following as well:
The irony of all this is that Arubans don’t have anything to do with the case.
The principal suspects is Dutch, the lead investigator was Dutch, the prosecutor is Dutch and the five judges involved are Dutch. If you think about it, an attempted boycott against Aruba is unjust, because it is misdirected and won’t achieve the desired results.
In a democracy, the executive branch cannot intervene in the judicial one. No matter how much pressure is put upon the government, it cannot give any sort of order to the prosecutor nor the judges. On the contrary, ‘trias politica’ can’t work
I have full understanding of the suffering of Natalee’s mom and the uncertainty of the rest of the family. All the want is the truth, to find their child, no matter what condition she may be in, to then put the matter behind and return to their home to resume their lives.
Read the full English translation of the Jossy Mansur editorial. Hat Tip: Get A Grip
Posted October 6, 2005 by Scared Monkeys
Aruba, Beth Holloway, boycott, Dave Holloway, Joran Van der Sloot, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway | 28 comments
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Aruba Could Take Some Lessons…
Aruba Could Take Some Lessons……from the City of Richmond Police Department
There are many aspects of Aruba in the broader sense of this case which draws all into it. Aruba describes itself as a place of anti moral conduct. It is well know that police in Aruba do not investigate rape. If rape is reported the police become the victims enemy. The protected P.I.M.P.S. gang must have been known to Arubans as it was their daughters who were the first victims. Natalee is just the latest victim and the police probably figured that she was simply yet another rape case which they would ignore just like all of the other cases. However, they killed this time
Sounds to me like the Aruban natives need to “clean house” and start deporting those causing grief for their island !!!
No Arubans had anything to do with this? Were the bartenders Aruban? Was the bouncer an Aruban? What about the people on the street who knew tourist girls were being targeted–were they Aruban? Joran, Satish and Deepak didn’t operate in a vacuum.
A boycott may not bring Natalee Holloway home. However, it could force Arubans to take responsibility for whom they allow to govern. It could also force Arubans to clean up the “just look the other way” economic and political structure they have on their hands. This problem has been a long time coming. It didn’t spring from this one incident relating to Natalee Holloway, as anyone familiar with Caribbean economics and politics knows perfectly well. If Beth Twitty and Dr Phil and whoever else goes away, this problem will not go away with them. It was there before Natalee Holloway came to the island, and it will be there until Arubans demand change.
Last, Aruba is a much safer place for Jossy Mansur than it is for the average teenage female tourist. Perhaps a boycott will generate enough publicity to make prospective teenage tourist girls and their families think twice about Aruba as a destination.
My God Steff
What she we do here in the united states? Should we be deporting every person from this country that might have imigrated here and been accused of commiting a crime?
Seems a tad extreme…..I think that the point is why try and do something that will hurt people that had absolutly NOTHING to do with what happened
First of all, all Aruban citizens have Dutch passports; therefore, their nationality is Dutch.
Arubians always blame all of their crime on “outsiders”. How about coming out of denial and having some accountabillity. Who is admitting all of the “outsiders” in to begin with?
Unfortunately the Dutch reign the Island, and they are Aruba’s goverment, so they can not be separated from Arubans. This happened in your Island, and the residentes of Aruba including Sweaty Paul are its citizens. Same thing.
the aruban people can join the american people in petitioning the dutch govt. in holland to thoroughly investigate the case from top to bottom and prosecute all that have had a hand in it.
this farce has gone on long enough and aruba and natalee’s family do not deserve this punishment. the aruban people must help do this, we can’t do it alone. well, we can, and will if we have to, but it sure won’t be pretty or fun for anyone.
Farce? Do you know what’s a farce people? That so called “taped confession” from someone supposedly being Deepak. How can we be sure it’s him?
I mean, I can also make a tape with someone impersonating the voice of, oh let’s say, Arnold Schwarzenegger. I would let him say: “all gay people are mentally ill”. Later I would then edit in a photo of him and then air it. Would you guys believe it is Arnold? If no, why not?
It is sad the true Aruban citizen may suffer consequences if tourism declines. But perhaps the economic impact on Aruba of a boycott may make the Aruban citizens stand up to the Dutch. Yes, all of the people involved in the investigation were Dutch and that is what I have been saying all along. If you are white and Dutch, you are “elite” and privileged in Aruba, hold the highest positions in government and industry. Sorta reminds me of a plantation.
Beg pardon, I wasn’t aware that it had been shown that a crime had been committed, let alone that non-Arubans had committed one.
What planet do you live on?
Natalee has human rights as an American. All Americans deserves to be protected under our
laws, no matter where they are.
If the Arubans, want this solved and don’t want a boycott. They sould give the Americans more
support rather than always turning against us and helping their gov’t in the Cover-up.
Even thought some Arubams helped in the search, initially, now they want to forget about it
and sweep it under the rug.
We as Americans will never forget, we owe than to Natalee!
dennisintn is right that the aruban people can join the american people in petitioning the Dutch
Gov’t in Holland to thoroughly investigate the case from top to bottom and prosecute all that have
had a hand in it.
The fact remains that it is about Aruba…Yes quiet, quaint, and not many crimes……..well then obviously someone there saw or heard something. This has gone on way to long….Now the Kalpoe’s are back in the news….this time saying that all 3 had sex with Natalee and that she was a trashy girl in the first place or she would have never gone with three strange guys and then had sex with them.
Sorry Deepak since when does “trashy girl” constitute that it is ok to murder her…..Aruba open your eyes and the Americans should stay far from there and boycott it. There are plenty of beautiful Islands in this world. If Aruba wants to keep everything quiet and to themselves then hey have it your way. Everyone should stay away and then see how long your economy lasts.
When Natalee is found and the right people are prosecuted then people should honor Aruba as a vacation spot again. Until then stay clear it could happen to you or a loved one of yours next.
just checking in to find out if any new developements came up or still the old news , i dont know why the more reputable news outlets stop reporting on this strange dissappearance like CNN or CBS ?? there is no news coverage here in canada what so ever
Lady’s and Gentleman who are you to judge. You live in a country where a man can go to a weenie roast with a young girl in his (oval) office, get caught, and then say nothing happened because the weenie wasn’t in the bun. Get real. The problem is that anywhere in the world you need proof of a crime. You need evidence before you hang someone. Uptill now no proof of anything. Yes Mr. J was the last one who’s seen her alive. I also think he’s not innocent but i can’t prove it. Can you ? And with what. He had her in the car. he probalbly druged her etc. But how can anyone prove this ? Lets go form a lynching party and go find Mr J. and hang him. Excuse me, is this the american justice you promote. I don’t think so.
The Aruban’s victimized? Boohoo! They were quick to protest BHT when she was stirring up the media. Why didn’t/don’t they protest the Kalpoe idiots and the Joran punk (sorry, the ’3 idiots will suffice) to come up with the truth? As we say here in America, Help us Help You! Wake up and smell the roses. The island is corrupt and nobody wants to take a stand.
Euh… All Arubans are Dutch… The reason that MOST judges and prosecutors are Dutch, born in The Netherlands is because there are simply not enough Dutch, born in Aruba to fill up these positions. As Mr. Mansur very well knows is that every employer, whether government or in the private sector, has to try to hire an Aruban born Dutch, before they are allowed to hire a European Dutch person. And only the government decides when an employer is allowed to hire a person not born on Aruba.
The judges who have ruled in this case are not even judges from Aruba, but from The Netherlands and Curacao, to prevent any suspicion of foul play.
It is so obvious that Mansur’s only goal is to bring the Aruban government in discredit. His motives are clear to every Aruban, but other people choose to use it for their own agenda, which I really don’t understand, considering his past.
Sorry GG, but so far the way it has been handled has been the problem. No crime has been proven yet because there has been biased people handling the case, ie.. Van Der Sloot’s buddy the investigator, the problem is, the WAY it has been handled, it has been a questionable investigation and until it has been handled properly (if that is still possible at all) there will be questions, resentment, accusations, media, a call for justice and damage to Aruba’s reputation.
COMMENT BY GG: Beg pardon, I wasn’t aware that it had been shown that a crime had been committed, let alone that non-Arubans had committed one.
RESPONSE: GG …. In documents and on tape it has been admitted that there was a sexual assault….she was coming in and out of conciousness said by Joran and then Deepak admitting that they all had sex with her……YOU CAN’T possibly believe that Natalie would agree to have sex with all three of these men? Be real !! and
what kind of a person has consent from Natalie to have sex if she was not even coherent during the act? ONly a low down dog !! Plus she has dissapeared…..YOU CAN’t tell me if all of this happened to one of your loved ones that you knew well that you would think they ran away give me a break wake up out there all of you people who try to keep sweeping this under the rug with all of your lame theories as if THERE WERE NOT A CRIME COMMITTED….that is just stupid!!
ahhh but the Arubans do have something to do with this case. The Arubans know what happened (a cover-up to protect a prominent Dutch kid). Where are the Arubans protesting in the streets.
You know quite well that if an Aruban disappeared in Miami after last being seen with a prominent lawyer’s or judge’s kid….and then it was cutely covered-up by the establishment with the hope of this “will just go away”…..there would be protests in front of the US Embassy until something was done about it.
So where are the Arubans? Its nice that they went out and helped search early on. But, they know what happened. They know the scams that have been run by the Dutch on their island. Why aren’t they kicking the buggers off of their island?
it’s funny Josy chose to say “They personally want it solved, but they also do not want their livelihood and reputation as a people ruined”
let me take the liberty to translate that-
they want it solved, but they don’t want to lose money….because possibley by solving it, the fact that bartenders put drugs in girls drinks, that women are regulary raped…and all of those nasty things that go on there will be uncovered??? Therefore they will lose LOTS of money…oh-oh I hear Shango talking.
oh my gosh- that’s the funniest thing I’ve read in weeks…I’ll be laughing the rest of the week LOL
I’m in hysterics.
If you don’t like what the people in the United States say and do, why dont you ban
all of us and our money from your sorry (edit) Third World Island?
In the United States we are not only Proud, But we are also just beter than you !!!!
Oh Boo Hoo cry me a river of Crocodile tears… If Aruban Authorities wanted to find her, they wouldn’t have deliberately covered up the crime to begin with.
There are only two ways Aruba can get past this. A) a few decades must pass … but the economy will crumble as St. Thomas’s or B) Find Her Now.
Jossey: maybe the aruban people should stand together against the corruption going on in that lil happy island. Only fear can keep you bogged down. The people need to demand justice against these three and possibly more if pvds and others are helping to cover this up. Rallying against a grieving mother searching for her child is definitly not the way to go. All that says is : We dont care about NH, we dont care what happened and we dont care about her family if it will hurt our pocketbooks. Its a small island everyone is interrelated as far as the natives go. Everyone knows everyone, people talk , many know what happened , everyone is fearful of talking the truth. We need the truth to come out. These non arubans that perpetuated these actions should be prosecuted, show others that the aruban people are what they claim to be ..descent upstanding and hardworking people. It will be the only way to save your lifestyles and the islands integrity. Corrupt ofiicial and goverment needs to go ….. Justice must be forthcoming, NH must be returned to her family,, only the truth shall set your island free.. If this has become bigger than NH so be it ..these corrupt punks and all the official who have hindered the truth and justice need to go down. We will not end this thing until NH comes home and justice has been served. You seem like a descent person who has his islands best at heart. Forget damage control.. go for the expulsion of corruption and a resolve to this unfortunate case……Respectfully speaking Sandy
Why doesn’t someone petition the court, for permission, to search the grounds and especially the dried up well on the property of the father, Paul? Why not one of Beth Twitty’s attorney’s in Aruba??
It has been admitted by the Dutch government that the ball was dropped in the case off the get go. The lads lied and admitted they lied in a criminal investigation…that is a crime all in itself. To say the boys had nothing to be held on was Boulderdash. They were the last people to see her alive and I cannot believe that this young woman would decide to stay on a beach by herself at 1:00 – 2:00 in the morning when the group was leaving early the next day. Common sense says something is wrong with every story the boys concocted. I think they killed her by accident (or she died from drugs they gave her) and covered it up. The father knows something and will lie to protect his son. The investigation was botched but that happens in the states too…there was a reluctance to find the truth for political reasons. It is also obvious that since Joran was out at 3:00 am when Natalee’s parents arrived his parents do not monitor his movements closely. Natalee’s parents want closure – there is nothing worse than not knowing if your child is dead or alive and perhaps needs you…I feel for the them…only the boys can give them any closure and they are being denied that too.