RSSDr. Phil; Kalpoe Brother’s Mom Nadira Says, “Come on, we all lie”.
More stunning revelations from Nadira Ramirez on the Dr. Phil show that aired yesterday discussing the case of missing teen, Natalee Holloway. When confronted with the fabricated story that her sons concocted of the events that transpired the evening that Natalee Holloway went missing …
Once Deepak and Satish got back, they had been arrested. They told you about not telling the truth about the Holiday Inn.
Nadira Ramirez made the following troubling comment:
“Come on, we all lie. We all lie as big people. I know that I lie sometimes“.
With this being the mindset and foundation from which Nadira bases opinion and fact and sees no issue with Deepak and Satish from telling the truth from lie, how can anyone believe anything these people say? Nadira even goes on to still say that her sons in no way touched Natalee Holloway and even had the audacity to bring race into the issue.
There’s now pretty strong sexual assault charges being leveled against the boys.
Nadira: No. They say that they even didn’t touch her. I think that she had hard feelings for them also because they were black.
Remember back to the exclusive Greta Van Susteren interview with Nadira Ramirez on June 24, 2005 ‘Jailed Brothers’ Mom Speaks Out’, when Nadira stated the following:
“As they drove, the two brothers sat in the front seat while Holloway and Joran kissed in the back. “[Deepak] said he was getting a little upset” that they were doing that in his car”
She makes this comment while her own son Deepak says the the following during the Dr. Phil interview with investigator Jamie Skeeter, a retired chief of police and former commander, currently president of the California Association of Polygraph Examiners.
Skeeters: If it was an accident, I can help all of you. If you guys were partying, even if someone had given her a date drug. I’m sure she had sex with all of you.
Deepak: She did. You’d be surprised how simple it was.
To make the trail of lies even worse from the Kalpoe brother’s mother, Nadira even managed to destroy the time line and alibi that the brothers had concocted to the Aruban investigators. Nadira stated the following when being questioned by Skeeters:
I want to bring you up to the night that Natalee Holloway disappeared. What time did you get home that night?
Nadira: Twelve. After twelve.
What time do you think they got in?
Nadira: I assess that it was not four in the morning. It’s like, before three or maybe three o’clock. How I know they were home? Because I leave my door always … open when they step out, so when they come, they just close my door. And that’s the sign that they are home.
Once Deepak and Satish got back, they had been arrested. They told you about not telling the truth about the Holiday Inn.
I guess we all do lie? Or maybe just they do? As noted by Dr. Phil, Beth Twitty and Skeeter that Nadrira completely contradicted the alibi that had always been stated by the Kalpoe’s and her that they were home at 2:00am.
And then also she’s destroying their alibi herself. She’s saying that they were not home at 3 am.”
“I mean the whole position that they’ve taken and they’ve lied about this before they’ve said, ‘OK, it was 2:00 in the morning’ that they were home everything was done. They had dropped her back at the hotel and gone. Then later they said, ‘well, no that’s not right. We dropped her with Joran at the beach.’”
Somehow this seems a bit different from the original interviews that were done by Greta Van Susteren with Nadira Ramirez, ‘Jailed Brothers’ Mom Speaks Out‘. One really needs to go back and watch the video interview and notice the contradiction of the fact that her sons did in fact lie to her as she says during the interview “why did you lie to your mother,” even though she states the following:
Ramirez said she didn’t doubt that her boys were now telling the truth: “They always come clean with me.”
Deepak and Satish Kalpoe first told police that they dropped off Holloway at the Holiday Inn where she was staying because they had agreed on that version of events with Joran van der Sloot, said Nadira Ramirez, the Kalpoes’ mother, in an exclusive interview with FOX News’ Greta Van Susteren.
The question becomes why did they ever even lie as to dropping someone off at the Holiday Inn or the beach near the Marriott? Everyone knew they had left Carlos & Charlie’s together. We all know now how Deepak feels about Natalee getting into the car with three men. The only real reason for any such lie would have been to alter the time line of events and their eventual alibi.
No wonder the following occurred by the Kalpoe brother’s mom when she learned what she inadvertantly did on camera. So much for confirming that her sons were home at 2:00am?
“Clearly, their own mother could not confirm their lies and that’s why she wanted this interview back after the fact she realized what she had done. Correct?”
“That’s correct,” Jamie confirms. “She’s tried everything that she could do with advice on her attorney, Angelina and others trying to get the tapes back.”
One would think that the Aruban authorities would be bringing mom and her sons back in for some questioning as to why they may have been “truth challenged” and if they were following Nadira’s advice of, “we all lie”.
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IF ANY OF THESE PEOPLE FROM ARUBA HAD 1/2 OUNCE OF CONSIENCE,
(KALPOE & VAN DER SNOOT) THEY WOULD GET THE TRUTH OUT OF THESE
3 PREDATORS SO THE HOLLOWAY’S WOULD KNOW WHAT HAPPENED & HAVE
A SENSE OF CLOSURE TO THIS TRAGIC EPISODE.
I think not only every American ,but anyone the world over who cares about justice should boycottd Aruba. Enough is enough! Coverup? That is probably the tip of the iceberg.
ARUBAN GOVERNMENT HAS TURNED A DEAF EAR TO THIS CASE.
My heart goes out to the Holloway/Twitty family. Beth Twitty is the strongest woman I have ever seen. I supprort her decision in speacking out and asking that we boycott Aruba. The Vandersloot and Kalpoe families need to pray for forgiveness for their lies and deceptions throughout this whole ordeal. I would like to see the entire families of these boys charged, tried and convicted for their part in the coverup.
Have you ever lied? Do you lie from time to time? The mother is right. We all do lie! I told my son we can’t go to the park because it is closed. Does this mean I would lie about killing a girl? No!! Maybe we should stop trying to convict these guys on every statement that OTHERS make.
We all know that Joran and the Kalopes are guilty as sin. I can’t believe we have such an corrupt judicial system here in Auruba
The only good thing from these statments from Kalpoes is they are talking, sooner or latter they will make a major mistake. Keep talking guys.
Even when i was in the carrribian last may all this drug use and parting was so big in the clubs. Its so sad that guys like these 3 have to do so much to really honest and innocent people. Remember what it was like when you graduated? Your trip? The first time your eyes were opened to the ways of the world. What a horrible tragedy for someone to meet her evential fate at the hands of date rape drugs and raping her for fun. Reading these transcripts makes my blood boil. I just wish we could do more to injury these 3 like they have so many other people. Not in the physicall sense mind you but just really mess with their heads. Right now they have no sense that what they have done is wrong and that i just “wtf” clause.
What is so unusal about what she said. Seems to me she is the only really honest person!! Any one who says they never lie is lying!
I would think now that HRH Joran is off the island and his 2 manservants, Deepak and Satish are still around, I would think that the Servants Kalpoes would be a bit angry at HRH Joran and His Majesty Paulos. What with the racial statement that their mother said. It seems that HRH Joran and His Majesty Paulos left the two Servants Kalpoes to take the blame. Now who is playing the White Card and who is playing the Black Card???
The 3 of them admitted to the crime. They raped Natalee. Not one of them saved her. They are not gentlemen. There is no place on this earth they can go that people won’t recognize them and alienate them. Maybe this will be their sentence. To live their lives shunned by everyone. His Majesty Paulos doesn’t have that many connections to make the 3 of them just go “poof” and disappear. And, would he even do it for the Servants Kalpoes??? Now???
“ARUBAN GOVERNMENT HAS TURNED A DEAF EAR TO THIS CASE.”
Perhaps that’s because you all shouted them deaf with constant meddling. Perhaps if you would just have let them do their job without having an army of journalists occupying the country, they would know more already. Perhaps if you didn’t point your fingers so fast at some teens, they possibly would have found out the real guilty ones; if any exist and it wasn’t an accident.
you all see the negative. things like that happen in the US every single day. Aruba will live on as a touristy island with a lot to offer. you people are ignorant and with not a lot of sense. ARUBA WILL BOUNCE BACK FROM ALL YOUR NEGATIVISM
the aruban government is a joke, they’re all pathetic, and its sad they have to cover up whatever they can just to make themselves look good, and the tourists comming to the island. how else are they going to ever make a living without our money. they all deserve to rot in a pile of ****. Natalee’s family deserves clousure, in any sort of way, why not be honest with eveything so that it can be over with. i’d take those 3 boys and tourture the heck out of them until they FINALLY told the truth, we all know that they know exactly what happened that night and where natalee is. that government down there has got to have some really stupid people running it. its funny how they are so worried about what everyone will think of them, when in reality its only going to get worse for them the longer they pull this crap and not provide any outcome of this or come up with any answers. they will forever be remembered from this in the worse possible way by everyone.
What makes everyone think the Aruban people are covering up anything? Because the family says so?? Seems they are worried about what people think of Natalee. There have been so many lies in this case you can’t believe anything! The only fact that we all know is that Joran was with her that evening as he admits to.
Heh monkeys,
Now is the time to use your connections to rally the aruba public to demand justice for Natalee. How about a sit in at the courthouse. Advise spring breakers to go to the Bahamas…
Do they care more about a few rapists or for the millions that the tourist industry brings to their island?
I saw the Dr. Phil. Little but hashed over material.
Don’t forget this. You may call Aruban justice a travesty. But they did keep a son of a high judicial official in jail, without charge, for three months. Could that have happened in Birmingham? Don’t think so.
Beth: Go back and be a mother to your son. Everyone else: Unless you can explain how three kids committed a perfect crime, swallow hard and get over it. Don’t worry about whether or not you’re supporting Aruba–Beth (her name’s not Holloway!) Twitty and her entourage are doing it just fine for you.
I hadn’t been able to find any news on Natalee since the hurricane katrina hit, last I heard was they arrested the 2 brothers, then Joran got out and the 2 brothers got out, whatever happened to that freddy guy? And why did the brothers get arrested and released so quick????????? They probably would have spilled their guts if they had stayed in for as long as Joran did…….I hope the Aruba government has a plan as to why they released them all, and hope to heck they are following them or something????!!!!! I cannot believe all this coverup crap I am reading, this is so pitiful……….I feel so bad for the family of Natalee…….and from some of the readings, it seems her friends even know more than they told……what do ya’ll think?
truth is obvious. They either killed her on accident, choked her, or she O.D. You here it all the time here in the states about someone who has never done drugs and they die their first time. Then they just slipped her into the ocean and adios. We will just tell everyone shes a slut to make ourselves feel better. Aruba bounce back? From what? Everyone acts like this is no big problem and that the tourists are the problem. Well if we didnt come and spend money in your country then you would all be peeling bananas and asking everyone to buy smoke. I hope you all rot for coving up this horrible stench.
In response to ANY your comment……I say the police had 10 days to find out the
truth that was obvious. Just because you have “potential” suspects does not
mean all others are innocent. They should have looked into the 3 boys ALSO.
The Prime Minister admits to a botched up investigation……..right????
Those 3 boys have been protected from the beginning…..That is Obvious!
If the media had not taken a stong stand on this investigation, there would
not have been an investigation. Cover-up is OBVIOUS!
NOT EVERYONE IN ARUBA IS BAD……..But the Aruban government is corrupt!
Stand back and take a look from our side of the water.
No body no case.
Have to wonder if the bar tender who serves drinks and slips the drug ectasy in them, was he ever arrested? Wouldn’t he be responsible for Natalee also?
If I was Beth Twitty and this was my daughter—I don’t think that I could be as strong as she is being! These boys know much more then they are saying and are getting away with murder and many other crimes thanks to the lack of a justice system in Aruba. (It is not what you know but who you know). This is absurd and I pray everyday that the truth is revealed sooner as opposed to later. We must NEVER forget Natalee nor her family! The media needs to keep this story FRONT PAGE and the pressure needs to remain on the Aruban government to solve this! If this was a celebrity’s child missing, the news would still be all over it! Well, Beth Twitty and Dave Halloway are just as important as anyone, celebrity or not—so this story should remain headline news. Thanks to FOX News for mentioning Natalee on a daily basis. God bless you Natalee and your family!
Smiler……..you have a point. Nothing was said about investigating the bartenders.
their investigation is soooooooo secret, they may have but no evidence.
I am so heartsick for Natalee and for her family. Honestly I’d like to go to Holland and find Joran and vomit all over him and then find Dipstick and Slapstick and do the same thing. Does anyone else think that eventually some frustrated vengeful American (or maybe one of Natalee’s friends/family members) will go to Aruba and Holland, take justice into their own hands , find these guys and give them a piece of all of us?? I sure would like to. It’s so sickening that these 3 pieces of scum are walking free, going about their daily business while Natalee’s family is still suffering. I have a feeling Joran or one of the other boys will slip up one night when they’re partying and get trashed & brag about what REALLY happened and the truth will be exposed…
*I continue to keep Natalee and her family in my thoughts & prayers, along with everyone else that goes missing. I wake up in the morning and smile at the sun, thankful I am here to see it. We do live in a beautiful world, just look up at the sky when in doubt.
When a horrendous crime like this is commited I really do not see where some form of toture or intimediation is or cannot be used to find the truth .
I know that they do this in Egypt police stations and that the people are VERY afraid of what may happen to them so they have a very good record of getting the truth Good or Bad about what did happen .
Think of what the victms have had to endure weither dead or not but this would also be a way to stop things like Paulus the Dad did ( ie: playing the law system ) and i believe that if the case were to let his son be intimidated or hurt that even he would step forward and either tell the truth or tell his son to fess up to what happened .
I also beleive that if the Kalpo boys saw what was aboout to befall them in a situation like this thay would tell all even befor they were interrogated .
But even if they were not harmed, why not have a scene where actors would play out a very realistic scene for the boys to see and heck let them believe that they are next and see how loose there tongues get then .
This is just an example of how so very serious letting
lowlifes like theses walk among us as preditors of our young in our society
TY for your time. Jerry
I wonder if the folks in Aruba and in Holland have considered the following…get away with it once, most likely will do it again. They have predators amongst them….
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Exactly how do any of you know for certain that a crime was committed? Deepak said he had sex with her…had sex…I did not hear the word rape mentioned. Nor did he know anything about a drug being slipped into her drink. How in the world do you know for certain that, that was actually Deepak’s voice. Had you heard him speak before this tape hit the airways? Mama Kalpoe was telling the truth about “we all lie”. He who has not lied ever before in his life, please stand up and throw the first stone. Lies are lies, white or black one is no greater nor less than the other. When English is not your first lanuage, you will have some trouble trying to express yourself correctly. I work with Spanish people everyday that are learning to speak English, they sometimes have problems using English words in the right context. Up until now, Aruba was “the place” for Americans to go and let their hair down. But now the island is full of liars, dope, prostitution, rapist, murderers, crooked cops, unethical government officials…..ummm…begining to sound a little like American..huh???
So please, forget a boycott ( a stupid idea), remember the judge of instructions set the boys free, if you seek justice by wanting to harm any one of the three boys..you are no better than a common criminal yourself. I have read where some would like to declare war on Aruba. Laughable, get real. Let’s clean up our own living quarters , clean out our minds and look at this situation in a different light. Stop passing judgement on those for whom you have no evidence.
The Aruban Government has spit in our faces.The 3 agents of satan and the drug money lackey father should be charged and held for trial,Instead of that lackey government going through this farce of an investigation whose findings seem a far gone conclusion.Boycott Aruba,send letters to their joke bastard government officials.Perhaps some other methods of getting these sociopaths should be used.
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I want to add a comment regarding “Come on, we all lie. We all lie as big people. I know that I lie sometimes”-Mama Kalpoe
—ok, lying about who ate the last doughnut the last cookie yet left the box in the pantry is one thing—even though I think that is also wrong to do. But when a human being is missing—-there is no excuse for lying! I know on the one hand she is a mom—trying to protect not one child but both of her kids, but Mama Kalpoe needs to put herself in Beth’s shoes as well! Natalee is still missing and they were last seen with her sons! As a mom, she should want her sons to be honest. If something bad happened and her sons and her husband know what happened, then there is something seriously wrong with the three of them and they need help—and that is no lie! If they know nothing—then why did tell the first lie in the first place and allow a couple of hotel security guys to take the fall?
God bless you Natalee wherever you are!
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i hear beth twitty say everyone is supportive of her FALSE my friends & i have done some calling & beth would be surprised how they are tired of her on tv almost every night
she has gone media crazy
then beth said everyone knows the three men are guilty WRONG AGAIN
there is no hard evidence they had anything to do with her being missing
i feel sorry for dave holloway when i see him you can see hurt & pain much more then i see in beth
jug tries to let the media think he is so concerned {yeah right}
i hope for dave sake they find natalee my heart goes out to him
did you all hear about how some of the donation money went ?
it helps pay for the twittys trip to aruba
pays for the twittys expenses while in aruba
pays for the twittys lawyers
pays for the twittys to add more investgators
this was told on the nancy grace program by natalees aunt
not any mention about dave holloway
dont seem right
Bryan: C’monnnnnn. Yes it would be possible to make a tape like that. You think his attorney wouldn’t be all over the place serving lawsuits if that was the case? I guess its find to say what if…but we all know that didn’t happen here.
No…Deepak said what he said…and said it with no emotion for Natalee or her family. And Gotaclue…does he need to say the word raped??? Really??? So assuming you are a man…do you make it a habit of having sex with someone going in and out of consciousness? Whether he knew it was from a drug or thought it was alcohol…it doesn’t matter. You can’t consent if you aren’t conscious.
As to okie…you may very well be tired of hearing from Beth. If you are…what are you doing on this site? Its a well known fact from any and all agencies, etc. that if the family or parents don’t continue pushing for their children when they are missing…word dies down and it is forgotten. You can correct me if I’m wrong…but do you know this family? If not…how do you sit there and judge which of them are sad and which aren’t??
As for there being no hard evidence they aren’t guilty…are you not paying attention to anything that has been going on. If their own words aren’t hard evidence…what do you need? A video tape of them having sex and then dumping her body?? Would that work for all of you who keeps saying there is no evidence of a crime? I wonder. And it makes me wonder if the tables were turned…and you were attacked and the person made statements saying…sure I did it…but he/she deserved it…if you would still scream to the world there is no proof.
I agree with most. We should boycott Aruba!! I’m a Diver who has traveled there several times and has spent plenty of money while there. I will no longer give to a place that won’t give us the courtesy of a least trying to give back. Are we asking for that much? Search the fathers home and get the evidence we have been looking for!!
Boycott Aruba !!