Natalee Holloway; When there is no body “you must acquit”

 

“When there is no body you don’t have a case.”

Boy doesn’t this sound strikingly familiar to … “If the glove does not fit you must acquit?” Wouldn’t the late OJ defense attorney Johnnie Cochran be proud? Amazingly enough this is what the father, Paul Van der Sloot, told his son and his son’s two friends. Making matters even worse and more bizarre in this case, not only was Paul Van der Sloot allowed to go free for lack of evidence of “suspicion” charges, but was also allowed to visit with his son Joran yesterday. A visit with his father who has already provided legal advice of the above mentioned comments. This hardly seems like a wise thing to do.

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — The father of a Dutch teenager arrested in the disappearance of a young U.S. woman told his son and his two friends that “when there is no body you don’t have a case,” Aruba’s attorney general said Wednesday.

Paul van der Sloot, a judge in training in Aruba, gave his 17-year-old son Joran van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers legal advice the day after 18-year-old Natalee Holloway disappeared, District Attorney Caren Janssen told MSNBC in an interview.

“They spoke about the situation that when there is no body you don’t have a case, and that was already in the first day after the disappearance,” Janssen said.

Janssen said that the elder van der Sloot had obstructed the investigation by asking a friend of Joran, who had been interrogated by police, what he had told them.

Paul van der Sloot, 52, was arrested last Thursday in the disappearance but released Sunday when a judge ruled there wasn’t enough evidence to hold him.

Janssen told MSNBC that he was arrested because investigators believed he was also a suspect in the disappearance.

Here is video courtesy of Blogs for Natalee of Natalee’s Aunt Linda Allison who was interviewed and discussed Paul[us] van der Sloot hiding and his comments of “No body, no crime”.

Further from CNN and the remarkable comment that “Aruba prosecutor says judge told son: No body, no case”

PALM BEACH, Aruba (CNN) — An Aruban judge briefly held in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager told his son — who is still in police custody — that without a body police would have no case, the island’s chief prosecutor said Wednesday.

Judge Paul Van Der Sloot, 53, was arrested one week ago in connection with the Natalee Holloway case but released days later.

In an interview with CNN, Chief Prosecutor Karin Janssen said the judge made the comment “some days after” Holloway disappeared in a conversation with his son, Joran, 17, and Joran’s friends, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, 18 and 21 respectively.

Investigators learned about the elder Van Der Sloot’s conversation with the three during questioning of one of the Kalpoe brothers, Janssen said, and when asked about the comment, the elder Van Der Sloot replied that he had been speaking about such a situation only “generally.”

The criticism has been squarely on the Aruban authorities as to have this case has been handles from the outset. The pressure is obviously getting to Arubans in the frustration of what appears to be a lack of evidence and no body. Prosecutor Jannsen made the following comment with I am sure will come back to haunt her if the case goes no where or if any of the three in custody are released on Monday.

Janssen defended the investigation, saying criticism of the way Aruban authorities have handled the case “is not justified.”

“We have a civilized society. We have a decent law system. We can’t book people when we want … (like) a bunch of cowboys,” she said. “We have made some progress, and we are doing it in our way. It is maybe not fast enough for a lot of people, but it is no grounds to have such criticism.”

Cowboys mam? One may want to check and see what that means first in a red state like Alabama before one makes such a comment.

Posted June 30, 2005 by
Natalee Holloway | 261 comments


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  • Comments

    261 Responses to “Natalee Holloway; When there is no body “you must acquit””

    1. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 12:04 pm

      glad to see it in ‘official’ writing that he actually said it.

    2. KatCall on June 30th, 2005 12:04 pm

      Anybody in here?

    3. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 12:05 pm

      Hi I am here

    4. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 12:06 pm

      i’m here…still working on my name. lol

    5. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 12:07 pm

      We got kicked out of the other post or something

    6. ivy on June 30th, 2005 12:08 pm

      just found this–what does everyone think? Hi Rachael I have been off for a few days — son had surgery–where is kris, crs, checkme etc.

    7. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 12:09 pm

      the other room was terribly full. glad they opened a new one.

      have yliana or any of them been on today? have they mentioned anything of how the locals treat the polis there?

    8. KatCall on June 30th, 2005 12:09 pm

      I am so sick of these really mean sick people coming on the board talking so much trash about Natalee! We’ve engaged in theories for weeks now and to have be constantly harrassed by these Charles Manson type of people is so annoying!

    9. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 12:09 pm

      Where is Crs and everyone

    10. Michael in Florida on June 30th, 2005 12:09 pm

      Very interesting:

      At the outbreak of World War II, the Dutch government declared neutrality.
      On May 10th, German forces invaded without declaration of war.
      On May 14th, the city of Rotterdam, after having surrendered, was bombarded by the German airforce (over 40 % of the city destroyed).
      Dutch forces surrendered on May 15th.

      hmmmm

    11. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 12:10 pm

      i haven’t heard from crs since around ten thirty.

      kat-i agree. they waste room space, and cause the boards credibility to go down the toilet. the guilty by association thing is not good in here.

    12. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 12:10 pm

      I know many of you think Joran is guilty but I don’t think I will believe it till I see proof or evidence.

    13. Kris on June 30th, 2005 12:11 pm

      Hi gang,

      Nice to see you again

    14. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 12:11 pm

      rachael-i am just hoping that the aruban government is just going to surprise us all. that they actually have real evidence to convict someone.

    15. Kris on June 30th, 2005 12:12 pm

      Anything new?

    16. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 12:12 pm

      Was that the real Simian from before? I never know who to trust anymore since there are so many imposters.

    17. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 12:12 pm

      it’s lunch time!! brb….

    18. concerned4natalee on June 30th, 2005 12:13 pm

      please go to http://www.foxnews.com/
      watch the newest video “VIDEO: INVESTIGATION INTERRUPTED”
      once jvs gets into the cop car (towards the end) He is smiling

    19. KatCall on June 30th, 2005 12:13 pm

      What do you all think will happen in Aruba if these boys are set free?

    20. Liz on June 30th, 2005 12:13 pm

      I’d say Mr. van der Sloot and his sleezy son would be better off convicted and safe inside an Arubian prison. I’d hate to see (love to see really) what some Bama cowboys will do to them if they get off this scott free!!!

    21. KatCall on June 30th, 2005 12:16 pm

      Liz: I know BAMA’s can GO CRAZY ON YA!

    22. Michael in Florida on June 30th, 2005 12:16 pm

      Modern Holland or The Netherlands is more than just wooden shoes and Windmills, Tulips, Cheese and boys with their finger in a Dike. Holland in the 21st century is not only famous because of their Flowers but also for the high-tech industries like Philips, Unilever, Akzo, Shell and other multinational companies. The Dutch are also an important investor in cities like New York (Manhattan) and other cities and Countries all over the world.

    23. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 12:17 pm

      Well look the heartless people have joined us once again

    24. Kris on June 30th, 2005 12:17 pm

      Rachael,

      I’m not sure, he did not respond to any of my posts in spanish. I was hoping that he would.

      Simian if you are here, and if it is you …

      porquà © usted no responderà ¡ a mà ­. He creà ­do siempre en usted. No soy seguro cuà ¡ntos mà ¡s à ©pocas puedo decir le a eso. Pruebe por favor a todos que à ©ste es realmente usted, y nos dice quà © se està ¡ encendiendo abajo allà ­ hoy.

    25. King of Controversy (Holland) on June 30th, 2005 12:18 pm

      Michael in Florida @ 12:09 pm
      What are you suggesting?

    26. Michael in Florida on June 30th, 2005 12:20 pm

      King of Controversy,

      Not suggesting anything.

    27. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 12:21 pm

      Katcall: shut the fuck up – this blog is for everybody -not just you an your stupid warm and fuzzy, rainbows and unicorns clique -

      Bring it on – all comments and thoughts.

      The only ones that should possibly be removed from the blog are the particularly offensive or heinous.

      Everyone else is welcome.

      Thats what a blog is all about.

      love ya…

    28. ivy on June 30th, 2005 12:23 pm

      concerned4natalee: thanks for the Fox link–just viewed it! I cant for the life of me figure out why they are letting the dad meet with the son.

    29. mimi on June 30th, 2005 12:23 pm

      first amendment, that was uncalled for…

    30. Kris on June 30th, 2005 12:23 pm

      ivy–WHAT??? He is allowed to see his son now?

    31. Simian on June 30th, 2005 12:24 pm

      If the Picaros took the girl then why haven’t they radioed in? They have an agenda and they always prove their point.

      The Babylonians still have the boy and the Hindus pinched. The Hindus and the boy met again yesterday. The boy fell apart. Another patch is woven. There are no Picaros here, only a boy. So do the Babylonians think.

      A slap in the face did the Babylonians receive yesterday from the ones who own the block and the hammer. The boy can recieve the elder. Ha! Their words will be committed to magnet.

      The elder is not a capo in the Palace. The palace servants all think he is a failure, but he sure knows his way around. He did break one gate already.

    32. Michael in Florida on June 30th, 2005 12:24 pm

      List of Dutch companies:

      ABN AMRO
      Aegon
      Ahold
      Akzo Nobel
      ASML
      Baan
      Bavaria
      Bols Wessanen
      Buhrmann
      Corus (Anglo-Dutch)
      DAF
      DSM
      Elsevier
      Getronics
      Hagemeyer
      Heineken
      ING
      KLM
      KPMG
      KPN Qwest
      LogicaCMG (Anglo-Dutch)
      Nedlloyd
      Numico
      Ocà ©
      Philips
      PicoPoint Technologies
      Rabobank
      Shell Oil (Anglo-Dutch)
      TNT Post Group (TPG)
      Unilever (Anglo-Dutch)
      Vendex KBB
      Versatel
      VNU
      Vopak
      Wolters Kluwer

    33. Kris on June 30th, 2005 12:24 pm

      The only ones that should possibly be removed from the blog are the particularly offensive or heinous.

      First–sound like it applies to someone you know?

    34. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 12:24 pm

      FYI: todays Simian is not the real Simian.

      He is blogging clearly and making too much sense.

      I like this Simian better.

      I know all the cultists with no life (like Rachael) were so impressed with some dork who got lucky on a couple of obvious guesses (the original Simian).

      But the new Simian is more grounded and credible.

      By the way Rachael (and all of you other Simian suck ups) why do you jones so hard for Simians guesses? Are you that hard up about Natalee disappearance or just your selfish desires? hilarious…

      I’ve got the sneaker cult manual,and some L.Ron Hubbard to sell you if you’re that gullable. I get 35 points on this stuff when I find desperate people stupid enough to buy it.

      lol

    35. JJ on June 30th, 2005 12:25 pm

      The thing that’s becoming clear is the Sloot’s are very well tied in with the system ….. Things are not going to get better from here …..

    36. Peter on June 30th, 2005 12:26 pm

      BOYCOTT ARUB
      Joran’s father is now allowed to visit his scum son, WITHOUT surveillence and WITHOUT anyone present. This after it is made public that Joran’s father coached him on how to conduct himself concerning a murder investigation. This investigation is a farce. In fact, there is no investigation and I don’t need to here a publicly announced progress report to know it. The fact that NOTHING has been achieved as to getting a 17 year old to explain himself after 3 weeks proves how ineffective the Aruban authorities are.

      What’s to betting that WHEN Joran is set free for murder, that his family packs up and leave Aruba and Natalee’s body behind?

      BOYCOTT ARUBA

    37. ivy on June 30th, 2005 12:27 pm

      kris: Look at the video link from concerned4natalee above you will see the video and the reporter stating that the father and son spoke today.

    38. Michael in Florida on June 30th, 2005 12:27 pm

      International Drug-Trafficking Control
      The Dutch also work closely with the U.S. and other countries on international programs against drug trafficking and organized crime. The Dutch-U.S. cooperation on joint anti-drug operations in the Caribbean is excellent, including an agreement establishing Forward Operating Locations on the Dutch Kingdom islands of Curacao and Aruba. The Netherlands is a signatory to international counter-narcotics agreements, a member of the UN International Drug Control Program, the UN Commission on Narcotic Drugs, and is a leading contributor to international counter-narcotics projects.

    39. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 12:27 pm

      What’s a Picaro?

    40. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 12:28 pm

      hey mimi: this isn’t your living room – if you dont like certain things – too bad…

    41. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 12:28 pm

      First Amendment you should leave no one here likes you!

    42. Michael in Florida on June 30th, 2005 12:28 pm

      Illicit drugs:

      Major European producer of illicit amphetamines and other synthetic drugs; important gateway for cocaine, heroin, and hashish entering Europe. For example, a large portion of the world’s XTC consumption is supplied by illegal laboratories from The Netherlands.

    43. King of Controversy (Holland) on June 30th, 2005 12:29 pm

      Does it make any difference that Dad is allowed to see the boy again? After all, Joran will be released in a couple of days and they can talk a day want in private. A conversation at the prison is at least recorded, I think.
      So it’s better to have Paulus say something to Joran in prison than in private
      You have to start thinking with the rational part of your brain.

    44. Michael in Florida on June 30th, 2005 12:29 pm

      Foreign Aid:

      The Netherlands is among the world’s leading aid donors, giving about 1% of its gross national product in development assistance. The country consistently contributes large amounts of aid through multilateral channels, especially the UN Development Program, the international financial institutions, and EU programs. A large portion of Dutch aid funds also are channeled through private (“co-financing”) organizations that have almost total autonomy in choice of projects.

      In 1998, Dutch development assistance–as defined by the OECD–was about $3 billion. The policy priorities of Dutch aid for 1998 are basic social facilities, reproductive health care, the environment, and aid to least developed countries. Dutch aid also is targeted on emergency aid, programs for the private sector, and international education.

      The Netherlands is a member of the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, which recently initiated economic reforms in central Europe. The Dutch strongly support the Middle East peace process and in 1998 earmarked $29 million in contributions to international donor-coordinated activities for the occupied territories and also for projects in which they worked directly with Palestinian authorities. These projects included improving environmental conditions and support for multilateral programs in cooperation with local non-governmental organizations. In 1998, the Dutch provided significant amounts of aid to the former Yugoslavia and Africa. The Dutch also provided significant amounts of relief aid to victims of Hurricane Mitch in Central America.

    45. mike 1 on June 30th, 2005 12:29 pm

      Katcall – yes I’m in DC

    46. ivy on June 30th, 2005 12:29 pm

      first: you have problems try the “blog for idiots”

    47. observer on June 30th, 2005 12:30 pm

      Peter – I agree. This stinks. Whether or not Joran killed NH, he knows what happened to her b/c he was the last known person to see her.

      Why are the local Arubans on here so spineless and gutless no to admit these fallacies and thier fright of the underground mafia and drug element there?

    48. wtfsit? on June 30th, 2005 12:31 pm

      # Justin T Says:
      June 30th, 2005 at 10:16 am

      wtf-

      I am guessing that they didn’t show what he said about listening to the call for legal reasons that might have to do with the case

      ————————————

      Thanks for the reply, Justin. I had suspected that might be the case. I’m going to drop the subject with that. ;)

    49. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 12:31 pm

      First amendment – you are offensive in the extreme. I know it’s because you yearn for attention like Anna Nicole Smith for donuts, but can you contribute anything meaningful or just a lot of yammering to compensate for, well, shall we say, your ‘shortcomings’?

    50. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 12:32 pm

      What’s a Picaro?

    51. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 12:32 pm

      picaro

      SYLLABICATION: pi ·ca ·ro
      PRONUNCIATION: pkà ¤-r
      NOUN: Inflected forms: pl. pi ·ca ·ros (-rz, -rs)

      1. A rogue or adventurer. Also called picaroon.

      2. The main character in a picaresque work when that character is a man or boy.

      ETYMOLOGY: Spanish pà ­caro, perhaps from picar, to prick, from Vulgar Latin *piccre. See pique.

    52. Michael in Florida on June 30th, 2005 12:33 pm

      Dutch policies on recreational drugs, prostitution, same-sex marriage and euthanasia are amongst the most liberal in the world.

    53. KatCall on June 30th, 2005 12:34 pm

      Ignore First Amend!!!!!!

      That piece of #### will get flushed down the toilet soon enough!

    54. dodyt on June 30th, 2005 12:34 pm

      i cannot beleive they allowed the father to visit the son. now they can create more stories. in addition, the aruba officals cannot tape their conversation, which i understand that is there law…but they don’t have to allow the father to visit the son.

    55. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 12:34 pm

      Thank you Anna Maria. So when this Simian said “If the Picaros took the girl then why haven’t they radioed in?” Picaro can mean prick?

    56. ivy on June 30th, 2005 12:35 pm

      I agree Rachael

    57. Michael in Florida on June 30th, 2005 12:36 pm

      Netherlands and weapons of mass destruction

      The Netherlands is one of the producers of components that can be used for creating deadly agents, chemical weapons and other kinds of weapons of mass destruction. Several Dutch companies provided Iraq with components for these illegal weapons during 1980′s

    58. Kris on June 30th, 2005 12:36 pm

      First–While that offer does so intrigue me. I feel that all of the, oh how did you word that, oh yes– shit sucking is being done by you.
      And while I feel that the sport of shit sucking is a temendous activity, I believe that you have cornered the market in that, thereby not allowing for new participants.

      But hey, thanks for the offer

    59. Michael in Florida on June 30th, 2005 12:37 pm

      Dutch production of weapons of mass destruction

      Alongside other companies from the United Kingdom, Germany, the United States, Belgium, Spain, India, and Brazil, Dutch companies provided Saddam Hussein with chemical agents needed to engage in chemical warfare for use against Iranians and Kurdish civilians.

      Two thousand Iranians who suffered from chemical warfare during the Iraqi imposed war (1980-1988) submitted an indictment some years ago with a Tehran court against nine companies that had provided Saddam Hussein with the deadly weapons. 455 American and European companies provided aid to Iraq during its aggression on Iran and two thirds of the companies were German. The United Nations published a 12,000-page report about the conflict and named the entire companies involved in the fiasco. An Iraqi special tribunal started trial of dictator Saddam Hussein after his fall. Iranian Chemical victims were absent in the closed-door trial and the grievances of Iran’s victims was not a part of the agenda in the tribunal.

    60. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 12:37 pm

      Does anyone know if there is any more info today? There was a report earlier of searching in a specific area of the ocean – does anyone have anything on that?

    61. Sol Rosenberg on June 30th, 2005 12:37 pm

      Urine knows – period! All the lying would’ve stopped by now if he really had nothing to do with it. Asking the Kalpoes to lie, and the DJ…with daddy pulling the strings.

      Amazing to think that it’s as simple as keeping quiet for a few more months.

      BHT and family should start looking outside the box for next steps.

      Sol has a few good ideas.

    62. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 12:37 pm

      ROFLMAO @ AnnaMarie (to 1st Amend)

      Hehehe. Dangit. Just got on here…and already laffin’!!

    63. ivy on June 30th, 2005 12:37 pm

      Go AnnaMaria!

    64. Michael in Florida on June 30th, 2005 12:37 pm

      Sale of WMD’s by Dutch businessmen

      A Dutch businessman named Frans van Anraat, 62, was accused of complicity in genocide for selling chemicals to Iraq in the 1980s knowing that Saddam Hussein might use them as weapons against Iranians and others. He has acknowledged that he sold chemicals to Saddam’s regime. He exported tons of European-made chemicals between 1984 and 1988 that were turned into mustard and nerve gas most of them used on Iranians and the Kurds. He calmly went ahead with delivering such materials even after the gas attack on Halabja.

    65. Michael in Florida on June 30th, 2005 12:38 pm

      Reexport from Iraq to the Netherlands for hiding:

      Illicit Iraqi WMD components were exported to the Netherlands. In the Dutch city of Rotterdam, an Iraqi SA-2 surface-to-air missile, one of at least 12, was discovered in a junk yard, replete with UN tags.

    66. ivy on June 30th, 2005 12:39 pm

      kris: did you get to watch the fox video?

    67. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 12:39 pm

      ROFL @ Kris too. Damn! Is it happy hour yet :)

    68. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 12:39 pm

      /cheers to Annamaria

    69. Peter on June 30th, 2005 12:40 pm

      Simian – At the risk of coming across like a smart-ass, would it be possible to get a progress report in English, without the code?

      What is the point with the code anyway? Please explain.

    70. Michael in Florida on June 30th, 2005 12:40 pm

      Frans Cornelis Adrianus van Anraat (born August 9, 1942 in Den Helder) is a Dutch businessman who is accused of selling raw materials for the production of chemical weapons to Iraq during the reign of Saddam Hussein.

      During the 1970′s Van Anraat worked at engineering companies in Italy, Switzerland and Singapore that were building chemical plants in Iraq. Having learned about the trade in chemicals, he founded his own company, “FCA Contractor”, based in Bissone, Switzerland. From 1984 he alledgedly supplied thousands of tons of chemicals to Iraq. Among these chemicals were the essential raw materials for producing mustard gas and nerve gas. Both gasses were used during an attack the military carried out on Iraqi Kurds in 1988, in which some 5,000 people were killed.

      After his arrest and release in Italy in 1989, Van Anraat fled to Iraq, where he lived for the next 14 years. When Saddams regime fell in 2003, Van Anraat returned to the Netherlands. He was arrested on December 6, 2004 for complicity to war crimes and genocide.

      Soon after his arrest, Dutch newspapers reported that Van Anraat had been an informer of the Dutch secret service AIVD.

      Van Anraat is the only Dutchman ever to appear on the FBI’s most wanted list.

    71. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 12:40 pm

      You go Kris /cheers

    72. TammyT on June 30th, 2005 12:41 pm

      Peter – I understand your frustration, as we are all feeling it. But need I point out under the U.S judicial system, Joran wouldn’t even be in jail. First you must have enough physical EVIDENCE and actually CHARGE him with a crime before you can hold him as long as Aruban authorities have. And in the U.S he probably would have posted bond weeks ago and would be chatting it up with Dad in the privacy of his own home – not under the “ears” of the authorities. Frustrating YES, but don’t always be critical of others way of doing things.

    73. Kris on June 30th, 2005 12:41 pm

      MOM–it is somewhere!!
      *cracks open bottle of champange and takes a swig* *hic*
      Oh where are my manners, champagne anyone?

    74. Michael in Florida on June 30th, 2005 12:41 pm

      Prostitution in the Netherlands

      Prostitution is legal in the Netherlands. However, prostitutes must be at least 18, while for non-commercial sex the age of consent is 16. Clients must be at least 16. Prostitutes are considered bona fide entrepreneurs; they pay taxes and are otherwise treated like any other self-employed tradesperson. Advertising the services is likewise tolerated. Health and social services are readily available, but the women are not required to undergo regular health checks. The women are self-employed and rent the rooms for some 100-150 euros per 8 hour shift, which includes closed-circuit security. Condoms are used for all sexual contact. Twenty minutes of sex cost about 40 to 50 euros. Despite the legalization, some of the working women are still illegal immigrants.

      Some municipalities in the Netherlands would like a “zero policy” for brothels, i.e. not allow any, on moral grounds, but by law this is not possible. However, regulations, including restrictions in number and location are common. Whether a zero policy on urban planning grounds is allowed is still unclear.

      The largest and best-known red-light district in the Netherlands is De Wallen in Amsterdam, also known as Walletjes or Rosse Buurt.

      Not to be outdone Utrecht also boasts an impressive red light district centered around the area north of the famous Rode Brug ( red bridge) containing more than a hundred canal boats and also a smaller city center street called Hardebollenstraat.

    75. Jake on June 30th, 2005 12:42 pm

      Kris, Trisher, Kat, crs, Mike, MOM, Rachael, I’M BACK!!!!!!!! Anything new?

    76. KatCall on June 30th, 2005 12:42 pm

      Are we in a HISTORY CLASS TODAY!

    77. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 12:42 pm

      Uh oh!!!
      Suddenly, I feel the need to ummmmmmm
      take a serious, BIG…..

      first amendment SHIT!!!

      Urrrrrrrr Urrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh

      *flushes the BIG SHIT down the commode w/ the rest of his little brown friends*

      (Hope it’s not a floater ;) )

    78. ivy on June 30th, 2005 12:42 pm

      Trisher: have not heard anything about the search in the ocean. Just the item about Joran’s dad telling his son–”no body no crime”

    79. Kris on June 30th, 2005 12:43 pm

      Jake,
      read back a bit.. First is here again in all his swill and bile. Making for a rather fun afternoon.

      BTW we started happy hour ;)

    80. Jake on June 30th, 2005 12:43 pm

      I’m so new at this!! What is ROFL?

    81. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 12:43 pm

      Thanks Ivy. Only thing here is Michael is giving us a lenghly lesson on dutch stuff.

    82. heatherey on June 30th, 2005 12:43 pm

      Hey Mike, I’m right outside of DC myself.

      Did Country Moon ever elaborate on this ex boyfriend? I think she once did stating that someone was on the wrong path if thats who they are worried about.

    83. Kris on June 30th, 2005 12:44 pm

      MOM—ROFLMAO!!!!!

    84. KatCall on June 30th, 2005 12:44 pm

      JAKE: rolling on floor laughing. (ROFL)

    85. Kristin-SC on June 30th, 2005 12:44 pm

      Hi, I am back. Busy work day so scattered postings at best. Allowing PVDS in to see JVDS after being free for almost a week now is nothing short of allowing daddy to fill joran on the latest developments and coach him some more. I think this is a terribly bad thing to do and just added to my beliefs that the entire Judicial system in Aruba is in on trying to bury this as quickly as they can. Like posted earlier, Aruba has a GDP of 1.5 billion a year, with 1.4 billion of that coming from the United States. We are by support their existance. I am all for boycotting Aruba and I am all for petitioning the US to impose sanctions against the island. I am firmly convinced that JVDS and the brothers will be released and the investion will be placed on the back burner, which really means it will be filled away in some unsolved case filing cabinet.

    86. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 12:44 pm

      Tammy if I am not mistaken that Joran , the brothers, Pvds and SC would all be held for obstruction of Justice with he lies and changing of stories.

    87. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 12:44 pm

      “the lies” my bad

    88. Trisher on June 30th, 2005 12:45 pm

      Jake – MAO = my a$$ off

    89. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 12:45 pm

      Hey Jake :)

      Kris just uncorked some champagne! Shall we toast to….

      fiber??? Thank goodness I had mine this morning! Had to get rid of that BIG SH*T.

      *sorry*

    90. KatCall on June 30th, 2005 12:45 pm

      Mom:

      First is such a big TURD you may need to get the plunger!

    91. Kris on June 30th, 2005 12:45 pm

      Heathery–Justin T said before that this ex boyfriend that all were talking about was one from 9th grade, and that NH had other boyfriends since then. Not sure if there is another, more recent BF that could be questioned.

    92. Jake on June 30th, 2005 12:46 pm

      1st – Like I said yesterday buddy, why don’t you take the 5th!

      Mike-I’m dying to take my girls to DC. My sister went to American University, and my cousin went to Georgetown!

      Kris/Mom-I’m ready for happy hour!

      Florida Boy-sorry, your posts are too long, couldn’t read! :)

    93. dude-aah on June 30th, 2005 12:46 pm

      Tammy T — you’re right about the lack of evidence. The upshot will be that three (at least) sexual predators are released back into Aruban society, due, at least in part, to the incompetence of Aruban LE. Won’t that be lovely? Makes me wann go there.

    94. dodyt on June 30th, 2005 12:46 pm

      observer: Why are the local Arubans on here so spineless and gutless no to admit these fallacies and thier fright of the underground mafia and drug element there?

      ___________________________________________
      i don’t think it is correct to call the Arubans spineless and gutless. and honestly, people think about the characters and there functions:

      we have a boy who drinks and rolls dice.

      we have a boy who was w/nh and left her at the beach..yea right.

      then we have a father who is coaching the boys before they were even taken into custody.-he admits this

      then we have this dj guy who works on a boat….who just walked into the police station and give some false information…that the boys told him that they left nh at the beach…
      however, later admitted he lied. it is one thing to lie when your under pressure,but another to actually walk into a police station and intentionally create a false statement.

      then we have no trace of a body….a small island….remember the dj has access to a boat- that very night in question!

      what happened between jvd’s encounter w/NH-making out w/her on the beach and her being dumped into the ocean by dj..well i have no idea.

    95. Simian on June 30th, 2005 12:46 pm

      The Babylonians don’t believe in any stories that include The Picaros.

      The lies have to stop. Time is running out. They know it, but they trust that the dirt is enough to keep him. They think the cowboys won’t find what they were looking for. They believe that the girl has joined the Carib on a journey to Panama.

    96. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 12:47 pm

      Good Afternoon Bloggooligans!

    97. ivy on June 30th, 2005 12:47 pm

      kris: my favorite is veuve clicquot–good stuff!

    98. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 12:47 pm

      Mom, you always make me laugh – so glad to return the favor.

      Trisher, I’m not convinced this Simian is really the Simian. Unless he hit his head or went on and LSD binge. He never answered Kris’s Spanish or my question re: return emails after posts. And while he uses obscure references, generally they’re not vulgar.
      But this simian may very well be using picaro as prick.

    99. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 12:47 pm

      nah. Kris reminded him that he was a shit sucker. So he’ll just rule himself out…….right? ;)

      Piece o’ shit & plunger all in one…bet he didn’t know he was a multi-tasker!!!

    100. S on June 30th, 2005 12:47 pm

      first amendmentment…. you’re funny- this “KatCall” is a piece of work, isn’t she!

      ms. kat call, if the 3 are set free, know what? i think they will seek you out and knock on your dor and say, ‘KISS ME, KISS ME,” so hold on to your crystals. ‘I BET YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS!!” i can just see here with her hands on her hips, tear floating from one eye.

      “I am so sick of these really mean sick people coming on the board talking so much trash about Natalee! We’ve engaged in theories for weeks now and to have be constantly harrassed by these Charles Manson type of people is so annoying!”
      this is also a brilliant comment… reflecting unlimited intellectual potential and psychological insight.

      Alabama Cowboys.. … that, also, is extremely laughable!!! can they spell cowboy? do they walk tough, talk tough- eat mostly hamburgers, spit bullets… make cat’s hair stand on end, always have a hard on, albeit a short hard on, talk about alligator boots over beer, have transmissions lying in their bathtubs, have girlfriends that wear tube tops to funerals.????

    101. TammyT on June 30th, 2005 12:49 pm

      Hope- That’s possible, I agree with you. But I don’t think a DA would risk blowing their case by holding their PRIME suspect with such little evidence. No matter how interesting it is that NO ONE can get their story straight.

    102. Kris on June 30th, 2005 12:50 pm

      Ivy–coming right up.

      First–My goodness, good thing we are typing and you don’t have to speak your words, I mean how could you with your mouth so busy going for Olympic gold in shit sucking?

    103. HNR on June 30th, 2005 12:50 pm

      Okay… well if that is how Aruba wants to handle their legal issues. Then we will see how well they like being a VERY poor country. I think they are forgetting one damn thing… AMERICA basically writes their paychecks…. So they can keep up all their bull shit with Natalee, but they are gonna be poor. The next war we go to it’s gonna involve Aruba! I hope there is justice for Natalee, but I hope the whole country of Aruba rots in hell!

    104. S on June 30th, 2005 12:50 pm

      “TURD”????? Kat call’s gonna wet her panties pretty soon.

    105. Kristin-SC on June 30th, 2005 12:50 pm

      “They believe that the girl has joined the Carib on a journey to Panama.”

      Well that about sums things up for the Babylonians… They believe she was dumped into the ocean the the currents are dragging her along with them. This means zero chance for recovery.

      :(

    106. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 12:50 pm

      I think S & 1st are BuFu buddies.

      (Wonder which one is more dominant)

      *bends over commode to hurl after smelling the remains of the BIG SHIT*

    107. Captain_Chinbeard on June 30th, 2005 12:51 pm

      Hello, all…I’ve been trying to think this thing through in the simplest of terms–and, only one thing is clear: Natalee Holloway is missing and yet, there’s no evidence of a crime. There are suspects…but…what are they suspected of having done??? There’s no crime established…none…nada…zip…

      I believe Paul(us) VdS…he was speaking in general terms. It’s not a large leaping grasp.

    108. S on June 30th, 2005 12:51 pm

      I like worms First Amendment, maybe thats why we get along so damn well. Same IQ!

    109. Kris on June 30th, 2005 12:51 pm

      UHH OHH First—Looks like you have competion for the gold. Announcing from the small country of I don’t care, it’s S in his first vie for Olympic glory!!

    110. TrueDutch on June 30th, 2005 12:52 pm

      @Michael in Florida:
      What point are you trying to make with all your ‘dutch’ posts. Are you a history professor or what ?

    111. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 12:52 pm

      Cheers, Kris!

      whooFREAKINhoo!!!

    112. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 12:52 pm

      Kris he aint shit compaired to me. I am the shit. He is what shit has for breakfast.

    113. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 12:53 pm

      hey Country

    114. KatCall on June 30th, 2005 12:54 pm

      S:

      You know what you your initial stands for don’t you? S%^T. Now go eat some!

    115. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 12:54 pm

      Wow what a pleasant room today.

    116. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 12:54 pm

      now, 1st…be nice to your bufu bud. He might pull out!!! Then what???

    117. Kris on June 30th, 2005 12:54 pm

      Captain,
      So where do you think NH is? Do you think that she was kidnapped? I agree with you that it looks like on the surface there is no crime here. I was hoping by now the prosecution would have something, but it doesn’t sound like it.

    118. KatCall on June 30th, 2005 12:54 pm

      Hey Country:

      Anything new from AL?

    119. Michael in Florida on June 30th, 2005 12:54 pm

      True Dutch,

      Just trying to give people some interesting reading.

    120. jacqueline on June 30th, 2005 12:54 pm

      What is picaro? Anyone?

    121. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 12:54 pm

      Hello Hopefloats how have you been?

    122. ivy on June 30th, 2005 12:55 pm

      Jake: My son’s girlfriend just finished freshman year at Georgetown.

      First: You are still an idiot! And we still dont like you but I guess that goes with your “Attention Seeker Behavior” problem.

    123. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 12:55 pm

      Mom, grab your plunger. The rest of us might be better off helping mop up the mess rather than continued flushing….after all, the shit wants to float to the top and continually tries to go overboard. Best thing to let it do is go under, no?

    124. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 12:56 pm

      Nothing new here. Everyone is just in shock right now at the lack of investigation on the Aruban side. I mean here are the investigation teams from America doing the search for free, and working their tales off. Then there is the Aruban government who gets paid the big bucks and they are sitting on their butts.

    125. Kris on June 30th, 2005 12:56 pm

      Country,
      My apologies, just trying to rid this place of some bad, well you can figure that out
      How are you today?
      Thanks for the email to Jamie the other day..

    126. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 12:56 pm

      Hey country! Yes, happy hour has officially begun. Sometimes it’s just hard to resist the temptation.

    127. dodyt on June 30th, 2005 12:57 pm

      some bloggers are real cute! they like to make fun of each other but they forgot where they are at. we are here to give opinions on the facts and the not so facts given to us and try to sort them out. are we on the same team?

    128. Jake on June 30th, 2005 12:57 pm

      Hi Country! I was wondering if you are any of the girls in the pictures that come out on the news everyday! They are all so beautiful!!!

    129. Kris on June 30th, 2005 12:57 pm

      Country and all–What do you make of the Kapole Family not letting equsearch search the area around their house?

    130. Michael in Florida on June 30th, 2005 12:58 pm
    131. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 12:58 pm

      Has everyone seen this:

      “Kalpoe Family Denied Texas Equusearch From Searching Around Their House (DIARIO 30 June 2005 page 3) [no byline]

      The Texas Equusearch team came to Aruba, on request of the family Holloway, to try to locate Natalee who has been missing exactly 1 month today.

      The Texas Equusearch Group received all cooperation from Aruba, so that they can use their expertise in search. They are going in various areas under the sea, but they are also using specially trained dogs to cover the areas around the dams that are around on Aruba.

      Aruba definitely gave the Texas Equusearch group a big welcome.

      However, unfortunately the group received a no welcome at the house of the Kalpoe family at Hooiberg.”

      Lying, hiding, obstructing justice…..and someone wants to tell me they’re innocent?

    132. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 12:59 pm

      I think Aruba would love to just ‘sweep the problem’ under the carpet.

    133. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 1:00 pm

      Kris: keep your day job -Comedy Central said “dont call us we’ll call you”

    134. G on June 30th, 2005 1:01 pm

      Hello again, are we fighting? I see a lot of crap being tossed around.

      I don’t know what picaro is, sounds like someone trying to say figaro with his/her mouth full of peanut butter.

    135. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 1:01 pm

      Jake I will just have to send you a wink and a thanks. ;)

      We all think this whole “investigation” on the Arubian part is a joke. We also think that if you can’t be forward and show what you got, you are obviously in possession of something worth hiding.
      We think that if the Kalpoes are truely as innocent as the mom wants everyone to believe, she would be more than willing to let anyone look at her “dirty laundry”.

    136. Linkeloetje van Geenstijl worlddomination on June 30th, 2005 1:01 pm

      Hey Guys, we in the Netherlands have got F16 fighterjets that can be equipped with infra-red equipment so that they can scan the surface of eg. an island for the presence of burried!! bodies. As you guys always think that the US is way supererior compared to the country your ancestors are originating from i guess that your airforce has that equipment also. I would pick up the phone and call… If she’s dead, which i don’t believe at all, then she can be found that way. Not by a scanteam om the fround…that is so seventies.

    137. Michael in Florida on June 30th, 2005 1:01 pm

      Gilberto Franà §ois “Betico” Croes (b. 1938 d. 1986) was an Arubian political activist who was a proponent of Aruba’s separation from the rest of the Netherlands Antilles. This eventually occurred, but Croes lapsed into a coma after an accident on 31 December 1985 (the night of status aparte) and was never conscious to see his accomplishment. He’s called the father of the Arubian nation.

      Caya G. F. Betico Croes is named for him and is the main shopping street in Oranjestad, Aruba.

    138. Yolande on June 30th, 2005 1:01 pm

      On Riehl World I read a good explanation a few days ago why Joran would have lied in the beginning. At the moment Natalee’s parents, friends and police came into the vdS-house [at three at night] the mother asked where her daughter is. Joran was in the kasino and was called and came to the house too [Paul vdS said so in the interview on Dutch tv]
      It is possible Joran didnt know what had happened to Natalee. But since he knew that he was the last seen with her and because he was a bit shocked with the sudden appearance of Natalees family it would have to be a big deal and he lied in panic.
      Its not so strange, I think.

      I really cant believe a 17 year old can lie this long.

    139. ivy on June 30th, 2005 1:01 pm

      I am with County this blog is “stinky” today maybe we could just ignore first and S and move on… just a thought?

    140. Kris on June 30th, 2005 1:02 pm

      First–once again some great advice from you. Gee thanks. And to think I was going to try my hand at stand up comedy..How can I ever repay you for making sure that I don’t make a huge mistake.

      Really and truly you are an amazing person to care so much about me. We must be really good FRIENDS huh???

    141. sea shell on June 30th, 2005 1:02 pm

      I hope somebody checks the grounds or gardens of the police C. or whoever would have the abilty and power to cover things up.
      I still think she is burried outside a house on the grounds.
      It would be the last place anyone would look.
      Sometimes the answers are closer and more simple than we make it.
      I would be surprised if those 3 kids burried her.
      It would have to be somebody that knew what they were doing in such short time frame.
      Just a thought……

    142. G on June 30th, 2005 1:02 pm

      MOMfromMO, sweep under the carpet? there’s no carpet big enough for this one!

    143. Peter on June 30th, 2005 1:02 pm

      TammyT,

      A rational response for a change, albeit, a slightly incorrect one. You are correct, there are variations on procedure in other sovereign systems. I think you are incorrect to be lenient with the so-called Aruban authorities because they let the prime suspects free for 10 days. This has been THE major blunder.

      If we want to make comparisons, I think in the US, search warrants would have been issued early on to protect evidence. Clothes confiscated, the car impounded, residences searched. Even if they lawyer-up, the evidence would have been in hand and the proof would have been in the forensics, I believe. Even the bottom of their shoes checked out. As we are aware, that did not happen here. In fact, the opposite happened here to protect the guilty. Now, they must protect not only our favorite little Dutch boy, but their blunder as well.

      10 days of bliss went by while the guilty had a chance to make evidence disappear and psyche up for the inevitable.

      And finally, the interrogation would have been harsher, and more psychologically persuasive at getting to the point. I saw our favorite Dutch boy in the cop car last night and he didn’t look like he was suffering to me. Not even stressed. More precisely, he looked coddled, all the while trying to keep a straight face.

    144. Kristin-SC on June 30th, 2005 1:03 pm

      Hey MOMfromMO somehow I do not think anycares that it is time for you to start drinking. This is able Natalee, not a housewife that begins drinking at noon every day (assuming you are from Missouri). I am in a crappy mood regarding the latest bullshit with this investigation and the drinking comments are strating to really piss me off.

    145. Michael in Florida on June 30th, 2005 1:03 pm

      Foreign relations of Aruba:

      The Netherlands Antilles conducts foreign affairs primarily through the Dutch government, however, Aruba has strong relations with other Caribbean governments. Aruba is an observer in the Caribbean Community (CARICOM), an associate member of the World Trade Organization through the Netherlands and is a full member of the Association of Caribbean States.

      Disputes – international: none

      Illicit drugs: transit point for US- and Europe-bound narcotics with some accompanying money-laundering activity

    146. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 1:03 pm

      WorldDom:
      What was that last sentence? It sounded so pre-schoolish.

    147. Jake on June 30th, 2005 1:03 pm

      Country-Who is the cell phone business owner? What part does he play in all this? Di

    148. dodyt on June 30th, 2005 1:03 pm

      if JVD and PVD are innocent, they would allow all search teams to there home. it would be benefical to their case..or lack of. but of course that is if they are innocent.

    149. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 1:03 pm

      If Joran and/or the Kalpoes did do something to Natalee but wasn’t the ones responsible for her disappearance or fatality then it is very possible when they sat and talked to Pvds and he gave them general consultation on what to inspect from being interogated and he had no clue until then what Joran was bringing to the table and said ” but we/Itook advantage/raper her while she was drugged and drinking” and Papa vds said yeah son but its good the body has disappeared because without “a body you must aquit” and there is ” no case”. Ya think that is how it could have played out?

    150. Jake on June 30th, 2005 1:03 pm

      Country-Who is the cell phone business owner? What part does he play in all this?

    151. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 1:04 pm

      Oh my God! First Amendment you are what happens when cousins get together and procreate. If you have nothing to say involving this case and just wish to continue to critisize other bloggers who are here for a purpose…then don’t let your imbread ass get hit with the door on the way out.

    152. Kris on June 30th, 2005 1:04 pm

      Link,

      Has the government offered assistance with those? Just a question, not bashing. I think that it would be a good idea to search with those planes.

    153. DML on June 30th, 2005 1:04 pm

      what a bunch of idiots you ALL ARE

    154. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 1:05 pm

      Jake we do not know anything factual on that so we can not say.

    155. Linkeloetje van Geenstijl worlddomination on June 30th, 2005 1:05 pm

      @MOMfromMO: leer jij nu eerst maar een nederlands vertalen, ik kan tenminste engels schrijven.

    156. G on June 30th, 2005 1:06 pm

      I say, let the oldies enjoy their drinks, for some it’s all they have.

    157. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 1:06 pm

      Kristin,
      I have NEVER been rude to you. But since you revel in the thought that you MIGHT be insulting me…wrong.

      I am a Construction Manager, with an IQ of 124. It just so happens that I like humor, and don’t have an interest in living life with a COB UP MY ASS.

      Know what else? Most in here enjoy me…So…move along little one.

    158. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 1:06 pm

      Hey MOMfromMO you can speak dutch?

    159. Jake on June 30th, 2005 1:07 pm

      But didn’t the Aruban polis go into the VDS and Kalpoes home and search? Where do you think the equusearch team would look that the polis didn’t?

    160. Kristin-SC on June 30th, 2005 1:07 pm

      WTG Country Moon!

    161. Linkeloetje van Geenstijl worlddomination on June 30th, 2005 1:07 pm

      @Kris: you could ask. They’re based at the military airport twente in the netherlands. Solved a lot of crimes that way.

    162. Kris on June 30th, 2005 1:07 pm

      Sea shell–That would fit in with the Kapoles not letting them search the house area..

      Kristin–lighten up. we are all frustrated and from time to time like to let off some steam in the form of humor. We mean no disrespect and the majority of the bloggers know that.

    163. TrueDutch on June 30th, 2005 1:07 pm

      Yo Loetje, jij ook al hier LOL

    164. slapped by monkey on June 30th, 2005 1:07 pm

      so equu isn’t allowed around the kalpoe house….red flag.

      hi countrymoon!

    165. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 1:08 pm

      Country,
      Nope I can’t speak dutch, but I’m sure WorldDom was speaking in PIG LATIN.

    166. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 1:08 pm

      Personally we have no faith in any of the searches that the Aruban governments have conducted so far. They obviously are half assed if nothing has come up yet…its been a MONTH!! WE WANT NAT BACK NOW!

    167. Hopefloats on June 30th, 2005 1:08 pm

      then what the hell are you doing in here DML you like to associate with idiots? or just like to beat your chest and think you are above everyone else…careful you are taking on persontality traits like Joran

    168. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 1:08 pm

      Hi guys I am back, there is a new blog http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1204#comments it loads faster, if any of you guys want to go let me know

    169. Kristin-SC on June 30th, 2005 1:09 pm

      MOMfromMO, I am just annoying by the drinking comments. feel free to im me, klgalway@yahoo for an apology

    170. Michael in Florida on June 30th, 2005 1:09 pm

      Hooiberg is a 165 m high (541 ft) volcanic formation on the island of Aruba. It is located almost in the center of the island and can be seen from virtually anywhere on the island.

      Hooiberg is also commonly known as Haystack.

      Many have remarked about the panoramic views obtained atop Hooiberg. There are 562 concrete steps that lead to the top of the mountain. On a clear day Venezuela can be seen. The windswept mountaintop is also the site of several radio antennas.

    171. Captain_Chinbeard on June 30th, 2005 1:09 pm

      Hey, Kris…yeah, I think she’s demised, gone, no more of this world, whatever…but, I don’t think they’ll ever find a body. It’s just sad.

    172. Kris on June 30th, 2005 1:09 pm

      Link–I find that very interesting. I wonder if anyone has inquired to them searching.

    173. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 1:10 pm

      Ah…well if they can not speak it in plain English so that you can understand their “insult” then they must be pretty scared of the retaliation that they will get from all of us in the room who love you MOM!!

    174. Linkeloetje van Geenstijl worlddomination on June 30th, 2005 1:10 pm

      @MOMfromMO: Or do you prefer German?? Du bist ein kleines Schweinschen das kein andere Sprachen kennst.

    175. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 1:10 pm

      I am a loser I like Michael Jackson and little boys!

    176. Jake on June 30th, 2005 1:10 pm

      Let me know if everyone is moving!

    177. TrueDutch on June 30th, 2005 1:11 pm

      @Michael in Florida Says:
      June 30th, 2005 at 12:54 pm
      So youre not a history prof…. bummer..

    178. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 1:11 pm

      Country – Hello, how are you all doing today?

      Captian. Hello. I agree with you.

    179. Michael in Florida on June 30th, 2005 1:11 pm

      Mount Jamanota (188 m.) is the highest point on the island of Aruba and is visible from the entire island. Wild goats and donkeys roam free on the mountain.

    180. G on June 30th, 2005 1:11 pm

      Humor is fine, keep up the humor! As Hrundy Bakshi (Peter Sellers) said in “the party”,”laughter is what makes the world go round”.

      Did Greta really get slapped by simian, I mean the monkey?

    181. TheGreatPretender on June 30th, 2005 1:12 pm

      and in this corner weighing in at 110 lbs Kristen

      and the challenger weighing in at 125 Momfrom MIZZOU

    182. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 1:12 pm

      Is anyone moving to the new blog?

      LET ME KNOW! IT LOADS FASTER!

    183. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 1:13 pm

      Linkeloetje van Geenstijl worlddomination just for your 411 (aka information) America has far more advanced ways of finding missing people and far more advanced pieces of machinery than those planes you are attempting to brag about (who do you think created the damn things!) however…the damn ARUBAN country is not allowing our country to come in and get it the damn job done.

    184. Kris on June 30th, 2005 1:13 pm

      Verbindung, Warum beleidigen Sie Mamma fà ¼r das Kennen nicht von von Niederlà ¤ndisch? Es ist nicht sehr nett.

    185. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 1:14 pm

      WE LOVE YOU TOO, COUNTRY!!! :)

      You make our blogworld a better place!

    186. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 1:14 pm

      Anyone who would like to join a *private* yahoo group I’ve started for a civil discussion on the case, please send me your email via AIM. I created a new AIM name – AnnaMaria271 and will gladly invite most of you to the group.

    187. dodyt on June 30th, 2005 1:14 pm

      i think everyone should stick to the facts….

      jvd was last seen w/nat. his actions do not match up. he would leave her at the beach but text message his friends to let them know he is safe…or should i say done w/throwing NH’s body into the ocean w/help of dj from the party BOAT.

      think about it. if you had to dispose of a body and you lived on an island…where would you dump the body?

      it does not take a Phd. to figure this out. the problem is the aruban police if they don’t have a body they don’t have a case. there is no time of death….thus no timeline…stories could be changed since there is no evidence to counter attack stories…

    188. Captain_Chinbeard on June 30th, 2005 1:14 pm

      Hello, Rachael…good to see you again. I’m now beginning to wonder if this case might be moving to the back burner…it’s been a month…sad to say…

    189. Michael in Florida on June 30th, 2005 1:14 pm

      Nelson Orlando Oduber (born 1947) is the chief minister of Aruba. He is a member of the Movimiento Electoral di Pueblo (People’s Electoral Movement). He was chief minister for the first time from 1989 until 1994, when his party lost parliamentary elections, and has been chief minister again since October 30, 2001, since his party won parliamentary elections.

    190. Linkeloetje van Geenstijl worlddomination on June 30th, 2005 1:15 pm

      @Country Moon: Ok, now you know we got them too…you could ask us to fly?

    191. G on June 30th, 2005 1:15 pm

      Michael in Florida, which guide book are you consulting.

    192. FYI on June 30th, 2005 1:15 pm

      Someone said early on, [Cannibalism] , that maybe they [kalpoe's] ate her. Possibly, may not be too far from the truth. … things that make ya go hmmmm…..

    193. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 1:15 pm

      WorldDom:
      WOW! Can you speak in Ebonics, too???

    194. Linkeloetje van Geenstijl worlddomination on June 30th, 2005 1:16 pm

      @Kris: the way the german scentence has been put together reveals a babelfish translation.

    195. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 1:16 pm

      No we do not need help from the Dutch on this anymore. The Dutch government and the Aruban government all had a whole freakin month to “fly” and get this done…..its time they step aside and let America take over. We want Nat back now.

    196. TammyT on June 30th, 2005 1:17 pm

      Thanks for your perspective Peter, I respect that. I guess I am coming from a different angle because I don’t think that evidence was there to find. I’ve been to Aruba, I have been on the beach at Marriott at 3 am, trust me, NO scuffle went on there with JVDS and NH. It is not that private there and even in those hours of the morning there are people around. It wouldn’t have gone un-noticed. I don’t believe “the beach” story at all. The lighthouse area is more dark and private at night, more likely. But in my gut, I don’t feel they would find physical evidence on the island. I feel Natalee could still be alive & I do not believe she is on the island. It think it goes deeper than JVDS. Just my opinion.

    197. Kris on June 30th, 2005 1:17 pm

      Link,

      Sorry my German is not soo good. What is babelfish?

    198. G on June 30th, 2005 1:18 pm

      MOM you’re in fine form today. Ebonics that’s funny.

    199. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 1:18 pm

      FYI,
      That is just WRONG!!!

    200. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 1:19 pm

      THANK YOU TAMMYT FOR SPITTING OUT WHAT WE CAN NOT!!!!
      We have been trying to infasize that for days now.

    201. Kris on June 30th, 2005 1:19 pm

      Tammy,
      I agree with you..I don’t think that she is on the island anymore either. And I still feel that she is alive–I don’t know why. But I really believe that.

    202. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 1:19 pm

      Michael in Florida:

      Oduber has a child apx the same age as Joran. I haven’t looked at the Aruba tickle site for said child, but do believe there’s one with the name Oduber in the aruba groups. Perhaps they are friends, and maybe travel in the same circles, abusing the laws and tourists?

    203. Linkeloetje van Geenstijl worlddomination on June 30th, 2005 1:20 pm

      @Country Moon: Wether you want it or not, you’ll need it. Unless georgy thinks that Aruba contains billions lites of oil.

    204. TheGreatPretender on June 30th, 2005 1:20 pm

      A FISH THAT TALKS DUMMY

    205. Kristin-SC on June 30th, 2005 1:20 pm

      @ MOM plz respond i posted my yahoo chat link

    206. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 1:20 pm

      Yeah Captian you have a good point. I am not pointing any fingers at any suspects. We don’t know the evidence and I doubt the Arubans even have evidence.

    207. Kris on June 30th, 2005 1:20 pm

      Country,
      Do you all believe that she was kidnapped?

    208. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 1:21 pm

      Sorry, G. I do admit I’m fulla piss ‘n vinegar today. Guess cuz there’s not much news.

      p.s. I’m not a fighter….but I WILL hit back ;)

    209. FYI on June 30th, 2005 1:21 pm

      mom, just stating what someone else had posted be it wrong or right. they are hiding something!

    210. G on June 30th, 2005 1:22 pm

      AnnaMaria, after your last comment, I think it’s time for you to go to that other site you mentioned earlier. I’ll miss you.

    211. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 1:22 pm

      Linkeloetje van Geenstijl worlddomination may I first just say please go catch up on your reading before you come in here next time. America has offered to help, however the Dutch and the Arubian gov. are not allowing it. They say “their island, their investigation”. NO DICE

    212. Kris on June 30th, 2005 1:22 pm

      A fish that talks?

    213. Linkeloetje van Geenstijl worlddomination on June 30th, 2005 1:22 pm

      @Kris: I guess she’s in venezuela.

    214. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 1:22 pm

      This post takes forever to load

    215. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 1:23 pm

      Kristin,
      you did? must’ve missed it. can u repost?

      I’m in between working….a little. Hehehe! This is my Friday!

    216. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 1:24 pm

      Kris~ We believe that there is way more that is not being investigated let us put it that way.

    217. Yolande on June 30th, 2005 1:24 pm

      Im really stunned by the insults some people here make .. without any proof!

    218. Linkeloetje van Geenstijl worlddomination on June 30th, 2005 1:24 pm

      @CountryMoon: That’s why i told you that you americans could ask us to use that planes.

    219. Kris on June 30th, 2005 1:26 pm

      Link,
      do you think she was kidnapped and sent there?

    220. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 1:27 pm

      TrueDutch if that is what it takes then hell yes. However it would not come down to how things are in Iraq…Aruba is actually a civilized country. We would not be at war with Arubans, we would be doing a propper investigation.

    221. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 1:27 pm

      G, when I want to know what you think, I’ll consult a “Moron to Intelligence” translation site. In the meantime, can you focus on the topic at hand, and kindly tell what the legal drinking and gambling ages are in Aruba? He was breaking the law. Period. And based on pictures we’ve seen, it wasn’t the first time. Based on the incompetence of Aruban LE, it likely won’t be the last, either.

    222. TheGreatPretender on June 30th, 2005 1:27 pm

      Lawyers are Worse then

      Time-share salesmen

    223. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 1:27 pm

      TrueDutch:
      I realize your question was not directed @ me, but what we WANT…is Natalee back. It’s very angering & frustrating being helpless to do so. I’m sure we’d have answers, if not for that 9-10 day ‘FREE PARKING’ the suspects got!

      Just my $0.02

    224. Kristin-SC on June 30th, 2005 1:27 pm

      @ MOM klgalway@yahoo

    225. concerned4natalee on June 30th, 2005 1:27 pm

      http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/30/aruba.missing/index.html

      click on the steve croes interveiw
      his story is fishy fishy!!!!
      why would he lie? i think he was in on it (whatever the plan was) & the guys (juran, satish, dpak) told him on what certain day to go to cops & tell that story …. they thought they would be out of jail already & that steve’s story would just add to the alibi…..BUT instead steve was out on this boat & wasn’t paying attention to the news so he wen tto police (as instructed by JVS & PVS & then basically screwed himself… he looks like such a liar on the interview- anyone agree?? disagree?

    226. Country Moon on June 30th, 2005 1:28 pm

      I am going to the new blog now. Ciao!

    227. Linkeloetje van Geenstijl worlddomination on June 30th, 2005 1:28 pm

      @Kris: Yes, with a powerboat it’s like nextdoor im told.

    228. FYI on June 30th, 2005 1:28 pm

      Country Moon, our prayers are with you, Natalee and her family!

    229. TheGreatPretender on June 30th, 2005 1:28 pm

      u better hope they dont have their

      GET OUT OF JAIL CARD

    230. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 1:29 pm

      Oh, and G — just because I pointed out the fact that he breaks the law doesn’t mean I think he hurt Natalee. He’s involved, to some degree, either willingly or unwillingly, but not necessarily guilty, n’est ce pas?

    231. TheGreatPretender on June 30th, 2005 1:30 pm

      C EST LA VIE

    232. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 1:30 pm

      hey imposter: you need to quit with the incest and pedophilia

      ivy,MomfromMO,Kris,Jake,Rachael and all of the other boring assholes -nobody cares!!!

      p.s.: the more you refer to me in your replys, the more I win.

    233. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 1:32 pm

      Thanx, Kristin. Just emailed you. How would I send an IM?

    234. Dman on June 30th, 2005 1:33 pm

      CM:

      Have you seen the Shango Posts around 1:49 AM today….comment?

    235. Kris on June 30th, 2005 1:33 pm

      Goody Goody Goody–we get to play a game with First–Ooooh me first me first.

      Link, If I may ask, where are you from? Exactly

    236. first amendment on June 30th, 2005 1:33 pm

      Country Moon: even though nobody cares where you go, we’ll see ya there.

      Hopefully trolls will follow you everywhere you go too.

    237. dodyt on June 30th, 2005 1:34 pm

      i pray for NH’s family night and day. and i truly wish that she is alive and on the island. the alternative does not good.

    238. Rachael on June 30th, 2005 1:36 pm

      EVERYONE GO TO THE NEW BLOG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    239. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 1:36 pm

      1st:
      Wipe your mouth!!! There’s a tiny bit of BULLSHIT around your lips! No WAIT! I think that’s residue from S’s bunghole.

      Good idea! Lick those lips!

    240. AnnaMaria on June 30th, 2005 1:39 pm

      OMG, lol MOM! I think we’re both fired up. Frankly, I’ve had enough of this Aruban circus and Ms. Jansen’s veiled comments about being “cowboys” and “rushing in.” Hello, you people are just now getting around to *the idea* of interviewing Joran’s and the boys’ friends, and it’s been a MONTH. Not exactly Rhodes scholars. That should’ve been done the first week — whether he turns out to be innocent or guilty.

    241. niika on June 30th, 2005 1:41 pm

      Joran vertelt wel de waarheid. Hij heeft haar achtergelaten op het strand. Maar dat was niet vrijwillig. Zij is gedrogeerd buiten westen achtergelaten op het strand. Joran had namelijk een afspraak met Venezolaanse druglords om hen een blonde meid te leveren die moet dienen als sexslaaf in de onderwereld van Caracas. Joran had namelijk de nodige gokschulden en stond diep in het krijt bij de Venezolaanse drugbendes. Een speedboat, normaliter gebruikt om coke mee op het eiland af te leveren werd nu gebruikt om het gedrogeerde meisje mee op te halen. Onze Natalee is alive but not so well in een sexkelder in Caracas. Dus ik zou die Amrikanen willen aanraden daar te gaan zoeken. In Venzuela komen maar weinig toeristen van het blonde soort dus lijkt mij het een redelijk eenvoudige zaak de bewuste dame daar op te sporen.

    242. Linkeloetje van Geenstijl worlddomination on June 30th, 2005 1:41 pm

      @Kris: Why? Are you willing to pay me a visit?? The Hague, Well known by all villans due to our international court of justice.

    243. Linkeloetje van Geenstijl worlddomination on June 30th, 2005 1:44 pm

      @niika: That’s a quite possible theory.

    244. MEATBALLHEAD on June 30th, 2005 1:44 pm

      Hey Hope.. leave DML alone… opinions are like assholes… everyone has one and they stink!

    245. Kris on June 30th, 2005 1:45 pm

      Not today. I was just wondering.

    246. ladyJA on June 30th, 2005 1:46 pm

      Hey Anna I just got back from lunch, who is interviewing the boys

    247. Kris on June 30th, 2005 1:48 pm

      niika,
      I think that you and Link are right with your theories.

      Link,
      Is there any word on the evidence that was sent there for processing?

    248. Kris on June 30th, 2005 1:49 pm

      Link,
      However if I ever happen to make it your way–you could perhaps share with me some of the sights of your area.

    249. Linkeloetje van Geenstijl worlddomination on June 30th, 2005 1:54 pm

      @Kris: Some piccas to get you started: http://images.google.com/images?q=binnenhof

    250. KatCall on June 30th, 2005 1:54 pm

      SeaShell:

      I am wondering if ANYONE and/or the Eqqusearch team has checked the suspects, and the LE agency for recently poured concrete in their yards?

    251. MACK on June 30th, 2005 1:56 pm

      Leave the TROLLS here to talk to themselves. Off to the new blogg.

    252. MEATBALLHEAD on June 30th, 2005 1:56 pm

      First – I agree

    253. Peter on June 30th, 2005 2:00 pm

      @niika

      Where are you from ? Are you from Aruba and who told you this ?

      Let me translate what you say , using altavista babelfish and a few additional corrections of my own :

      “Joran tells, however, the truth. He has left her behind on the beach. But was not that voluntary. She has been doped (drugged ) outside west left behind on the beach. Joran had to, as it happens, an appointment with Venezuelan drug Lord to supply them a blonde maid to serve as a sex slave in the underground world of Caracas. Joran had, as it happens, the necessary gokschulden and stood deeply in red ochre at the Venezuelan drug gangs. Speedboat, normally use to deliver coke on the island was now used to pick up the doped little girl. Our Natalee are alive but not so well in a sex cellar in caracas. Therefore I would advise the americans to look out there. In Venzuela come but few tourists of blonde type therefore it seem to me a rather simple matter to trace the lady there.”

      Why do you talk here in Dutch and where did you get this info from ?

    254. Simian on June 30th, 2005 2:03 pm

      The Simian has an IQ of 149 as measured by Gringos.

      All of the words of the cohorts of the boy and the Hindus have been hi-jacked. For weeks already. The confrontation of yesterday was brutal. More lies woven. The boy has to fall apart. The Babylonians have their swords ready…

      North American special interests have organized a “human chain of prayers” in Aruba. From the Wyndham to the Holiday Inn. Are afraid for their multi-million dollar investments? The Simian heard from the Gringos say they are doing OK. The bread won’t be taken from them. They will just sit this one out.

    255. evilmonkey on June 30th, 2005 2:05 pm

      I truly believe Joran van der Sloot is innocent. We have not seen any prrof whatsoever of his involvement, other than the fact that he happenned to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. As a law student in Canada, I also think it’s ridiculous that a person can be held for 100+ days with no charges or evidence. As for Joran asking his father for legal advice, if I found myself in the center of a disappearance (not murder) investigation, hell, I’d be asking for legal advice whereever I can find it. Asking for legal advice is not a crime. I also think that it’s ridiculous that an advanced justice system like that of the The Netherlands does not allow for an attorney to be present during questioning. If everything that we see is true and the van der Sloots aren’t just some cover-up, there are so many flaws with the justice system, it isn’t funny. I also find it wierd that thousands of volunterrs, members of the Dutch militia, and the police could not find the girl’s body after a month on the tiny island of Aruba. Perhaps she’s not dead? Either way, I refuse to believe Joran van der Sloot is guilty until I see some concrete evidence.

    256. Larry on June 30th, 2005 2:05 pm

      Hey all..
      Mom, are you here??? What is going on in here?

    257. niika on June 30th, 2005 2:06 pm

      @Peter

      I live in Curacao.Family in Aruba.First seems difficult to rid of body in such time.My cousin have this theory which I think can be possible but it still mystery.Sorry for my english,

    258. Bogey_Blusey_Chaston on June 30th, 2005 2:07 pm

      I for one am an American who will never frequent Aruba as a tourist, and the number one reason is the Nat H. disappearance. I hope all Americans will do the same.

    259. MOMfromMO on June 30th, 2005 2:12 pm

      Larry, go to most recent blog. Fox News saying Nat is found? Can’t confirm.

    260. Peter on June 30th, 2005 2:29 pm

      @dodyt

      It would make sense that the disc-jockey has helped to dump the poor Natalee at sea if the beach where JVDS said he had left her was not so busy at night and the time frame of all these were not so tight. By the time JVDS could get hold of the disc-jockey and convince him to be the accomplice of a murder, and all this is happening, it would take a lot more than just an hour and half. The scenario of niika, strangely written in Dutch, makes a lot more sense and it’s probably there where this disc jockey has a finger. His talkings last night are just a bunch of lies.

      http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/30/aruba.missing/index.html

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