RSSBeth Twitty and the Van der Sloots’ Meet
Today a meeting occurred between the mothers of Natalee Holloway and Joran van der Sloot, in just yet another interesting turn of events in Aruba. I pray that no witness violations just took place within Dutch law just so that Fox could get a story. Paul Van der Sloot had been questioned this past Saturday and Sunday by investigators. According to CNN, Paul Van der Sloot, “the judge was interviewed as a witness”.
Greta Van Susteren took Beth Twitty right up to the Van der Sloots’ front door, knocked on it and finally, yelled for someone to come–and Paulus himself answered the door. Then Greta and Beth went in and sat down and talked to both Van der Sloots (Mom & Pop) for 90 minutes.
This had been the “one thing” (one wish) that Beth wanted when Greta asked her.
We have received a tip that there were no cameras or recording devices during this meeting; however, this has not yet been confirmed.
Greta is going to give the exclusive report on this on her show “On the Record” on FOX News cable channel at 10PM EDT tonight.
UPDATE I: Video available.
Video from the Political Teen of the initial meeting before the cameras were turned off and Greta’s summary of events.
Update II: From Fox News: Parents Meet in Aruba
ORANJESTAD, Aruba — In an emotional meeting Tuesday, Natalee Holloway’s mother — who has pledged not to leave the island without her daughter — confronted the parents of one of the suspects in the case of the missing 18-year-old.
Holloway Twitty told FOX News’ Greta Van Susteren that she wanted to meet with the van der Sloots. The pair traveled to the van der Sloots’ residence where Van Susteren captured exclusive footage of Holloway Twitty calling into the home to determine if anyone was there. After spotting someone behind a bush, she urged him to come out and take one of the prayer cards she has been distributing.
Update III: For an interesting read and take on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, “Parents in Peril,” go to Planethuff, The Darkside
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There were no camers in the house when they were talking. They only showed them going in and leaving. Gretta said the father looked nervous and was rubbing his hands together.
Just saw Greta on Billy’s show - there were no cameras inside the house in the meeting. They found out Mother was in Holland when all this happen.
I didn’t realize that the mother wasn’t home that evening. It makes it more interesting.
I guess that is why they did not interrogate her — only grilled the Dad.
dad knows what happened guarantee it
This case is driving me crazy. I just wish they would find her for her mother. I just saw Beth Holloway Twitty on TV and she is just exhausted. My heart goes out to her.
CRS, you there?
Now apparently the mother said he left Natalee on the beach. He left a young girl that he supposedly accompanied on the beach all by herself. Boy someone is really lying. Stories get better and better.
The airing tonite confirms the fact the boyz did not commit a crime
This search and rescue team is headed up by a guy whose daughter was missing and apparently the police told him that she ran away and she turned up 17 months later dead. That’s when he formed this organization. He said he had hoped to do 4 to 5 searches a year and they are up to 400 in the past five years. The organization runs on donations.
The “boyz” are definitely involved or they would have told the truth from the beginning - there would have been no reason to lie and immediately try to pass blame to the security guards. Even a helf wit can figure that out
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Now apparently the mother said he left Natalee on the beach. He left a young girl that he supposedly accompanied on the beach all by herself. Boy someone is really lying. Stories get better and better. ”
I feel like someone is going to a Dr to get a second, third and fourth opinion on surgery. When do you think these people can come up with a story that they actually stick with?
Next thing you know they will be saying they bought her a plane ticket on a different flight back to AL. Geez, have some consistency VDS’s.
ok…i havent been here in a couple days. anything new?
Looks like she is alive but not in Aruba.
Those boys know what happened! They have done nothing but lie for three weeks. His parents said he is not arrogant just confident! GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!
The look in Joran’s eyes in all of his pictures is creepy!!
dawn…how do you know…can you read their minds?….give it up with your childish baseless rumors and gossip….”His eyes look creepy…he must be guilty”…grow up
Checkme, we’ve corresponded briefly on here the last couple of days and your perspective is refreshing, but how can you state that it appears that the boys have not commited a crime and that NH is alive but on another island. If you make such a statement, you have explain w/ facts.
I’ve been relying on this board and on RienWorld the last few days for info, but that has been a mistake. The real clues about what’s going on can be gained by on-camera interviews w/ NH’s family. They have no incentive to lie, cover up, exxagerate or blame someone wrong, because their only interest is in getting their daughter back. NH’s mom still begged Juron’s parents today for any insight Juron may have to her dissapearance b/c she still believes Juron holds the key. The mother knows right b/c she’s been investigating there for 3 weeks. If the boys did not commit a crime, then why the need to change stories multiple times, sacrifise their butts for kidnappers, and to hold them in prison. If they did not commit a crime, they would be held as witnesses rather than suspects in prison.
THere has been other misinformation on these boards. Based on Juron’s dad’s comment on Fox, he did not pick Juron up at 3am at McDonald’s and does not know how he got home. he picked up Juron from McDonalds at 11pm to take him home but Juron snuck out of the house and went to C&C.
Also, the Holloway’s have not paid for the texas rangers — they’re doing it voluntarily, based on a Holloway family’s statment on FOX.
Checkme or CRS, any response?
Well, i will be the first to say that looks can certainly be deceiving. Who would have ever thought that eric rudolph would have bombed an abortion clinic? Or that jeffrey dahmer did all those terrible things? Or susan smith killed her kids? Should i continue? As a matter of fact, some of the most notorious criminals are considered not only attractive, beautiful, or handsome, but they also are thought of as very kind people by those close to them. Remember the sniper? My point….don’t make judgements on a person’s looks. Gosh…many of us would have been convicted of crimes that we would never even think of commiting if our system of law worked that way. My thoughts and prayers are with Natalee and her entire family.
my above comment was directed to dawn. sorry if there was any confusion.
Checkme,
You can not possibly be saying that based on that interview Alan Combs did with that detective. The first thing that guy tried to do was smear Natalee by suggesting people were not telling the truth about Natalee. He offered nothing other than anther opinion and ad to rumor. Natalee has never run away and had no reason to do so during this trip any suggestion of it is ridiculous.
After watching Greta’s show tonight I find it VERY interesting that JVD was told by daddy not to talk about the case. The excuse being he was just running his mouth off and get into trouble. As a father I would think the first thing you would do is have your son tell the police exactly what happened. That is if you have nothing to hide… Dad knows what the hell went down that night. No question
Slytomtom,
but I agree with you 100%. Ted Bundy to name anther one. HA on a more humorous side what about Jim Bakker and Jimmy Swagart…..
It sure seemed, based on the description of his behavior at their meeting, that he was nervous about something. A clean conscience shows. So does a guilty one.
I wonder what kind of reception Mrs. Holloway would have received if there had not been cameras there.
And I’d just like to say, from watching Mrs. Holloway on television that, MRS. HOLLOWAY IS ALL CLASS.
what does mrs Hollaway having all class have to do with the price of tea in China???? It’s about finding her daughter; not about who the good guy and villian is in Peter’s little pathetic soap opera?????
Shaddup “I AM NO ONE”…..he’s just making a comment about the classiness of Natalee’s mom
did anyone see the Greta/Holloway interview with Paulus tonight?????
thank GOD that 11 yr old Utah boy was found! Hallelujah! I prayed all day/night for him…I am STILL praying for the Holloways
unfortunately i missed the interview that seems to be the topic of discussion here. does anyone have a link to a news story about it? or does anyone know if it will air again?
i think Greta’s show is on again at 3 AM EST
My husband introduced me to this site and I had to post something. I lived in Aruba for 7 years and actually went to the same school as Joran. His mom, Anita, was my art teacher for all of high school. I don’t know much about him as he was in elementary when I graduated, but I can say this much… his mom was an incredibly nice woman. She was a little out there, but she’s an art teacher, everybody’s art teacher is a little out there.
I just hope they find her so her parents can have some closure. I doubt she’s still alive, it’s been too long. I’m also afraid that the government doesn’t have the capabilities to find her, they’ve never dealt with anything remotely like this. In the 7 years I lived there, I remember hearing about 1 murder. I hope they let the FBI help or that group that’s coming from Texas can find something.
I saw the Greta interview tonight. The confrontation at the VDH house was amazing to me. I fully expected the father to demand for them to leave but he actually invited them inside. This changed my perception of this man. Prior to that I was under the impression he was a Low Life scum of the earth. He didn’t seem that way to me at all tonight. He seemed meek. He seemed concerned.
These are the traits I would expect from an innocent man so I’m left with a confused feeling. I cannot figure this one out. I was convinced that the father was involved in Natalee’s disappearance. I’m actually having second thoughts now.
are any locals left on here — they seem to have interesting theories, although not fool-proof?
Scared…I think it is awsome that the little boy was found, I cried when I saw that. And I think Peter is absolutely correct, Natalee’s Mom has so much class, we can all learn something from her. I can’t even imagine what my state of mind would be if my daughter was missing. She has held it together, and has the World behind her. God Bless her and Natalee and the whole family….as well as the other missing children in this world.
Mora68, you said it all! My thoughts exactly….I think of ALL the missing children…that’s why I esp. thank God for John Walsh
IAMNOONE,
Let me try and explain this to you in the simplest terms possible so you may grasp the concept of what CLASS is.
The women is under extreme stress and is maintaining her cool in the public eye.
By the way, your handle suits you.
what do you folks think the dad and the party boat dj had to do with natalee’s disappearance? what did the authorities question the dad about for so long? and which boy named the dj (croes) and what role do you think he played? i have my theories but would like to hear others.
slytomotom, what’s your theory?
Would any of you ever vacation in Aruba now that we see how inadequate the system is there? Just wondering?
I can only assume that from the CLASS demonstrated by Mrs. Holloway, that no doubt that quality of character was passed onto her daughter, based on what’s been reported on how Natalee maintained and conducted herself at such a young age.
In my humble opinion, a glowing example of what an adolescent should be.
Ellwood,
Not a chance. And I certainly wouldn’t recommend it to ANY woman, since American women seem to be of extreme interest to the locals, from what I’ve read here and elsewhere. And I wonder what they might have on their minds . . . .
Let’s be reasonable guys. She did not voluntarily run away! The world has seen her face now and she is readily recognizable. Even if she felt family pressure and wanted to break free for a while, this is a woman who comes from a comfortable family w/ some money, and after a few weeks of wandering around the islands or south america, reality will sink in and she’ll want to go home to her nice house and bed. Also, if a runaway, it requires planning and lots of planning. She can’t use a money machine ever again w/o the bank picking it up. PLEASE no one mention run away again w/o looking stupid.
A kidnapping by some real thugs (not the 3 boys) is plausible, but then why would the boys keep changing their stories and pointing to each other. WHy not just say that “some other bad guys” kidnapped her w/o mentioning specific names (in case the boys are worried about the real kidnappers getting revenge).
Once she’s in the Holiday Inn, it’s tougher for someone to grab her from there — there are employees in the lobby, etc.
Also, kidnapping and human trafficking is bogus, because there are thousands of young women who travel to Aruba yearly. Why choose this one woman for kidnapping. Would it not be easier to seduce and drug a woman travelling w/ only a couple other people than a woman travelling w/ a 100 other students? Common sense.
well observer, i have several theories. one is that joran actually took natalee on the party boat rather than leaving her at the beach or at the hotel. or that one or all of the 3 boys harmed her, maybe fatally, and had some arrangement with croes where he would take her aboard the party boat and get rid of her. Let’s pray that’s not what did happen though. Maybe she is still alive and was held hostage by Joran and Croes and taken to another island. Just guessing, but i would say they probably “doctored” her drinks at the club so much that she never even thought about her return flight. As far as the dad goes, i think joran may have told his dad the truth about what happened and he is trying to cover for his son and at the same time trying to cover his own butt to preserve his judicial ranking. still not sure why the authorities would question him for a day and a half though.
i think human trafficing is a plausable theory. with only about 97,000 residents on the island, it probably would not occur often though. maybe natalee was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. with joran’s dad being a judicial official or judge in training or whatever you want to call him…..maybe joran heard him discuss some crime ring involving young beautiful girls and decided to try to get involved in it….maybe just because he was drunk or maybe on a dare from friends.
Slytomtom - Thanks for the response, but I just don’t see how 3 young kids can plan something so complicated (without leaving evidence) after only meeting NH a day ago (assuming Joran met her at a casino a day before the night of dissapearance). COnducting business w/ these human traffickers requires planning, sophisitication and produces paper, email and cell phone trails, which is easy to detect and find for the aruban polis or the American FBI.
Mrs. Holloway keeps asking Joran (directly and through his parents today) about what he knows happend to NH - Joran is the key. If he does not have the sophistication to sell her, only an accidental killing and delivery of the body to Croes makes sense.
Ellwood,
I have been to aruba as has my family and some friends and since this situation no 0 none of us will return and none of our friends until the outcome, Aruba is not the only island in the caribbean
Would any of you ever vacation in Aruba now that we see how inadequate the system is there? Just wondering?
In response to this question, the truth is no…I wouldnt vacation in Aruba, but, that is not because of this situation…everytime I save my money to take a trip, I end up in Disney…LOL. My husband and I went on a cruise for our honeymoon, just to do something different, and we missed Disney sooo much…pathetic, I know…but, you did ask…
This is indeed a mystery wrapped in an enigma….. I for one surely hope this case turns out like that Runaway Bugeyed Bride Wilbanks. Short from a confession, or the possibility of kidnapping/sex trade, the only theory left is that Nat left the island somehow.
Try mine.
Possibly a drug dropped into her drink, to make her more manegable. Then, steered to the car and off to a secluded area where she was gangraped by all three. Possibly ODing on the drug and/or being murdered to keep the crime quiet. Then burying the body, either at sea or in a shallow grave.
Motivation isn’t a leap, either. Say, I’m with two buddies. One says, let’s take this hot chick I’ve met for a ride out to the lighthouse. The first thing I’d say to him, if uninterested, is:
“Why? Take her yourself.”
Or, if I’m a real nice guy and agree with my buddy, I’d say:
“Yeah. That’s a good idea. Pull me away from all these other cuties at the C&C. I’m sure she’d appreciate a tour of the lighthouse before she goes back home.”
How generous. But being a bit of a cynic, I don’t have much faith that such altruism exists in three spoiled males with raging hard-ons in the Aruban heat. Particularly KNOWING, as we now know, what F-ups their Aruban Keystone Cops are. They thought it would easy.
They thought it would be easy until the response of an aroused American public placed a fire under their government’s ass.
ellwood,
can you really say that the system in aruba is inadequate? think about what they have accomplished in a few short weeks. several people have been detained, questioned, etc. we all think these 3 young boys had something to do with natalee’s disappearance. But, in america we could not hold them this long without charging them. they can be held for like 116 days or longer without being charged. in america, that’s a jail sentence. so think….the boys are minors (if 17 is considered a minor in aruba) so that could be why the authorities are not letting out much detail of their investigation. or maybe they aren’t considered minors….they were out drinking in a club. i haven’t heard anyone discuss whether or not they would be considered minors in an aruban court. Now your description of their system as being “inadequate” makes me wonder how you describe our system. in our system, the boys would stil be on the streets and would have had every chance to “get out of dodge”. Also, think about this: in our system, just yesterday a jury returned a guilty (2nd degree murder) verdict for a former KKK member. The crimes occurred back in 1965. That’s 40 years ago. he killed 3 people and got convicted of murder 2. the prosecuter decided not to go for murder 1 because of his age and health. Sound inadequate?
observer,
apparently joran knew croes from using the same internet cafe. he also sent text messages by cellular phone to one of the other boys computer. sounds pretty darn sophisticated. we don’t know what all communication did go on.
I have some questions for any of you. Do cell phone companies have the capability of checking for the text message that Deepak claimed to have received from Joran?
Do we know what type of medication was left in Natalee’s room? Could she have epilepsy? Could the foam left on the beach be sent to a forsenics lab and be tested for Natalee’s DNA (assuming the foam was used during a potential seizure)?
Have the Kalpoe parents stated what time Satish and Deepak returned the night/morning of Natalee’s disappearance?
ellwood,
furthermore, O.J. walked right through our system. Is that adequate?
cbudd, what is this about foam? i haven’t heard anything about foam.
The foam on the beach was not foam from someone’s mouth — that kind of foam disintegrates quickly and is live saliva. The foam found on the beach is styrofoam (the white stuff that’s in the box your tv came in).
slytomtom,
Food for thought . . .
Is it necessary for two foreigners, who have no connection to anyone on Aruba, to have to point out to the police which of their locals should be considered suspects in their daughter’s probable kidnapping?
This is adequate??
I would think the parents would get to Aruba and an investigation already would have been in the preliminary stages. Porvided that a crime had been reported in the first place.
aha….another theory then observer….maybe a large piece of foam was used as a flotation device by natalee. could she have possibly been playing in the water, lost her floatation device, and drowned? could the guys just be telling stuff to try to cover their butts when it was all really an accident?
Thank you Observer. I did not realize it was styrofoam.
Slytomtom, I read somewhere that some foam was found on the beach in the “Colony” area (where ever that is located) along with a security guard shirt and the foam could possibly contain teeth marks.
please PRAY for natalee…
When I first read about the security guard shirt being found on the beach it seemed like more than a coincidence. I thought perhaps Joran and the Kalpoes fabricated the security guard story and intentionally planted the shirt on the beach.
peter,
i don’t think natalee’s parents fingered the boys as suspects. i believe the aruban authorities had already detained the boys when Ms. Holloway made the statement about those boys knopwing what they did with natalee.
Did anyone notice how dejected Beth Twitty appeared when she emerged from the meeting with Joran’s parents? She probably has more questions than answers from the interview and most likely, she and Greta reported some of the information confidentially to the police. I am so very sad for both families.
Amazing, the versions that keep coming out.
I wouldn’t have such a problem with the perceptibly slow progress of getting the information I’m sure they know the suspects have, if they hadn’t made such a mess of the investigation from the beginning.
furthermore peter, guilty people are questioned and released in our system probably daily. my point is that there is no perfect system. and ours is not necessarily better than theirs. the system of law is just different and to be able to convict the criminal(s) within THEIR system, they MUST follow THEIR laws. We would not want Anyone in our country to be subject to the iranian or russian laws would we?
Peter: Natalee hadn’t been missing even 24 hours when the parents arrived. Even in the US you have to be gone at least 24 hours before someone can file a missing person report.
There is nothing to blame aruba about on that score.
I read someone saw a light in the sky that moved slowly around the time in question…can you take Hot Air Balloon rides in Aruba and if yes where might the trade winds take you…might this be a safe way to move someone without airport logs…also did you see that the partyboat “the tatoo” is now for sale?
katya, thank you. i stress again that we should not blame the aruban system for any lack of progress. They are obviously trying their best as it is also in their best interest to solve this case. I’m sure they just don’t want to botch anything so alot has to be kept on the DL right now.
Tell me, how long does it take to break a spoiled 17 year old? In Aruba, specifically?
In Aruba, in the U.S., in Canada, in the U.K, in Iran, for example. Anywhere, Kidnapping is kidnapping, murder is murder, and the ugency should be the same in every country.
As I understand, if one is a suspect in a capital crime, your belongings are searched if they are thought in anyway to have anything to do with the perpetration of a crime and a competent team with a sense of urgency is running the show. I think the car should have qualified a little earlier than 10 days. Don’t you?
I think aruban authorities blotched things from the moment Dompig released a statement saying that Natalee was dead and one of the suspects would lead them to the body then retracted the statement only to release another one stating that “something bad” happened to Natalee and then retract it also. If he in fact made a blunder that huge in the U.S. he would lose his job.
Two points for cbudd . . .
Peter,
I think anther question would be. IF they dropped her off somewhere why are they lying about it and what are they afraid of? just making an assumption that they didn’t hurt her but dumped her with someone else.
Did anyone see the interview with the retired Aruban police officer who wanted to give the Holloway/Twitty parents a polygraph? What questions do you think he would like to ask them?
Also, Alan Colmes alluded to Natalee’s disappearance as being on her own accordance by stating that she has pulled this once before. Does anyone know what he was talking about?
I don’t buy for one minute that she pulled a “run away bride” but I am wondering what would make the two of them think that way.
All those who live in Aruba with their eyes open know the horrors in the shadows. Arubans choose to look the other way as in times past it protected their very lives….but this crime has placed the little dutch island in a very bright light…the purest form of light know as the Lord. She is in his care and will be delivered safely into his kingdom or her mothers arms, but Aruba will never recover, noone will accept she died of a OverDose and dumped into Boca Mahos, that story, told for so many years, is finally finished. She has been abducted and sold as too many of Gods lambs have been over the years. The DEA has well mapped out human trade routes and now all the world is exposed to the evil.
Justin,
Maybe that is where Steve Croes comes into the story?
Natalee’s mom found the dutch scum within 12-16 hours of the time Natalee’s flight was supposed to leave the island. The inept or corrupt local officials took 10 days to haul the liar into custody. Lying = some nastiness. You limp coddling idiots should find some reason in this.
Cbudd,
very possible, as for the interview I saw it. It was this police officer who was implying they should be questioning Natalees parents and friends. I didn’t specifically see him mention the lie detector test. In the trailer it indicted that this cop was going to say she ahd run away before but he didn’t when they actually ran the interview. He did say that she was not perhaps the girl they are saying she is. Which is all bullshit. He had no evidence or any justification for his comments about her being a live. he made the comment that if she had money she could be on one of the other islands and that in 50 years nothing like this has happened here in Aruba. So that is why it could not be now and why she must of run away. In my opinion it was a waste of time
Gomez - Calmate amigo.
If that retired officer is typical of aruban law enforcement then it is no wonder the investigation is a disaster.
Actually, I don’t think that any of the boys have anything to fear about Croes. If they knew he was soley guilty of her disappearance they would have ratted him out by now.
lets hope she “ran away”….this way they can give her back with a simple case of memory loss and the nightmare will end. Its accepable, and Im sure no questions will ever be asked…simple, she cant recall what happened, but Im In Jamaica come pick me up.
LINCOLN GOMEZ
Lincoln D Gomez is a graduate of Saint Leo College, Saint Leo, Florida, U.S.A. (B.Sc. Biology/Chemistry) and Universiteit van Aruba as juris doctor in Aruba law with a concentration in corporate law.
Mr. Gomez has acted as an aid to the Minister of Public Works in Aruba in charge with the development of infrastructure and urban planning. He has also acted as assistant general-counsel for the Ministry of Justice and the Permanent Secretary to the Council of Ministers of Aruba.
He left that office to join private practice of aw, by associating himself with the law offices of Zielinski, Gonzalez and Gibbs, who at that time was outside counsel to the Ministry of Justice. He is admitted to the bar in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. In February 2002 he founded the law offices of Gomez & Bikker, with Andin C.G. Bikker. With principal offices in Aruba, Gomez & Bikker’s offers a complete range of legal services including litigation and alternative dispute resolution in the areas of: international trade, corporate business, hospitality, real estate, maritime, aviation, tax, intellectual property and telecommunications law.
He is a member and officer in a number of professional organizations, which include: TerraLex, Inter-American Bar Association, Aruba Bar Association, Aruba Financial Center Association and a past member of the board of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry of Aruba. Lincoln has authored a number of publications on Aruba civil, corporate, fiscal and labor laws and has lectured business law at the Brown University in Aruba.
Mr. Gomez is (was) a director and shareholder of numerous companies including: ZGB Trust Services Aruba N.V., Golden Rainmaker Telecom Services N.V., Aruba E-Trade Center N.V., Conexxions Airlines N.V. and Tony Roma’s Partners (Aruba).
hmmm….Law, international trade, telecom services…hotair ballons on his telecom website, no wonder websites are coming down and phone records are missing. Is it me or does he act defensive when interviewed on foxnews?
cbudd,
true about croes. you have to ask why did dad tell Joran not to talk about the case? If you missed it that is why he is not allowed to see him. If Joran were my son and he had nothing to hide I can’t imagine under any cirucmstance would I tell him not to speak up. It seems that one of them would of cracked by now unless something much bigger is holding them back. That being that they are all three responsible for what happened to her or possibly they are covering for someone else out of fear. Obviously just an observation and trying to figure out why it would be so hard to break one of these kids.
Also, Joran’s father knew Joran drank underage, gambled underage, and frequented CnC underage so why all of a sudden would Joran need to “sneak out”? Obviously, dad is trying to cover for Joran.
I agree daddy dearest knows far more than he has said.
So Paul VD Sloot lied. He first said he picked his son up around 3:00 AM at a McDonald. Now he says he picked him up at the McDonald around 11:00 PM.
Julie Banderas….Columbian family, should be smarter than to report all is well in Aruba with party music playing in the background….for 3 weeks no music, and now that the island is seeing less flights arriving, the deception starts…”all is well” is being bought by noone. May God protect the beatiful, innocent people of Aruba…we know your fear, please ask for her safe return.
Time to filter through the powers at hand.
http://www.arubachamber.com/
Call it mother’s intuition. Or the Holy Spirit. Natalee’s mom knows. God’s justice will prevail. That is my prayer anyway…along with her safety should she still be alive. And for peace for the family.
On the Aruban officials, etc. I told my husband I can’t stand watching them be interviewed…any of them..they always act as if they are either stoned or hiding something.
ydave, VDS never said he picked up Joran at 3 am. That was another internet rumour.
If someone is not guilty, and they are backed into a corner, then (most people) would come out fighting to defend there lives, reputation, etc. Remeber how the 2 guards acted after they were released. They were more then happy to talk to the media about there alibi’s . If these boys are not guilty( they were arrested later) then where were they in the days before there arrests? If it was me I would have been riding with the police , giving them the exact details of what went down that nite. NO Talk= Guilt
ANYONE KNOW WHERE HAIRALDO IS???
Van Susteran sounds Dutch and she is overeducated and stiff… I need a more simple meat and potatoes person who is sensitive to plight of Natalee’s mom
he must be working on some angle of this????
What in the world makes you people think just because Natalee is an American that we can barge into a soverign country and start taking over and going against their laws? We surely wouldn’t let that happen here. Is it frustrating, yes, but all we can really do is wait and give their government the time to solve this issue, I believe they will. Should Natalee’s family bring in others to search, get their faces on every tv show available, absolutly. That puts pressure on Aruba to keep moving forward on this case. As for Mr Van der Sloot telling his kid not to talk, which he originally told him before ever being picked up when he was talking at his school, what parent wouldn’t want to do the same thing until he or she could figure out just what did happen, it happens all the time even in the US. How many of you have ever visited Aruba? If you have you would know how safe that counrty really is, you would know the people are very friendly and you would also know there are problems there just as there are here, drugs, crime(although not nearly as much as we have)etc. I don’t see any of you crying out for the enjustice we have all of America, I don’t see you urging tourist not to come here because we have crime or drugs. None of us know what really happened or is happening in Aruba, it is all speculation on our parts, and we speculate because we care. Why are you blaming an entire counrty for the actions of a couple of people? These three or four guys may have dont something, if so they should pay but it seems like the lynching mobs are out and about, what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? I BELIEVE in my heart the Aruban government will get to the bottom of this, the guilty will be held accountable and the world will go one. I pray for all involved, but are you all as concerned about the many many other missing Americans not only here but abroad? This is all just my opinion of course, but instead of condeming everyone is Aruba I choose to hold on to the hope Natalee is found alive and all the questions will be answered, how would you all feel if the kids being held didn’t do anything to Natalee other than to get scared that they were involved and start try to make up storys. As far as Jr Van der Sloot being spoiled, living on a small Caribbean island is much different than living here, the kids have much more freedom, are allow to do things you may not let your children do. Sorry for the rant just tired of hearing everything blamed on Aruba and already hanging these 4 boys. If they need to be “hung” then they will but lets see where this leads. Barbara
Given that we know very little and have little hard evidence after 3 weeks , I do not plan to travel to Aruba and, as an educator, I will encourage mine and nearby school districts to avoid organized student travel to the Carribbean. Our kids can stay in the US at least- until the Carribbean resort areas take measures to become safer and more appreciative of our business.
There seems to be a lust for our money but disrespect for our people. We can change that
with the power of boycotting.
Natalee is our child; this could have happened to any one of our children Let’s learn a lesson.
I totally agree with Barbaraq, I just returned from Aruba. I go to Aruba serveral times a year for business and for vacation, and Aruba is a friendly Island with not a lot of crime. I am from Holland in fact from Amsterdam and as you know in big city’s crime happens every day. Of course Aruba also has problems with drugs ans other stuff, but lets face it where people live crime happens. But I feel always very relaxed and save when I am in Aruba. But if you travel or if your in your home town you shoukd always use your common sense and stay alert, because there is not one place on earth that is totally save and without crime. About Natalee s case I would like say that I feel very sorry that this happened and I can’t get it out of my head when we were in Aruba we also searhed for her. I feel very sorry for her family and friends.
Concerned, what you are saying is totally not true. So nothing ever happens in your hometown.? There is no crime in the US? Come on. I can assure you that Aruba is saver than a lot of places in the US. What happened to Natalee is horrible but it could have happend anywhere. And believe me as I sayd earlier i just came back from Aruba and they are working very hard on this case, the whole Island is, locals, tourist, police force everybody. Helicopters are flying doing search night and day. People are searching 24 hours a day
Hi Dutchie! I have to agree with Concerned on the issue of staying within the United States as far as students traveling. I have been a chaperone on many overnight high school trips within the United States. I have also chaperoned many day trips. We have also canceled many of those day trips (Washington, D.C., New York) because of elevated alert levels after 911. Yet, at the same time, you are correct that we must be careful wherever we are. There is so much crime in the United States that I tell my daughter do not stop for gas, fast food, etc. if she is out at night and I always make her call me when she reaches her destination and she is to call me before she leaves to drive home. I believe I need a “timeline” in case she would have a flat tire, cell phone not working, etc. so that I would know where to go. I always make sure I know exactly where she is, the address, the phone number, the parents, etc. Thank God, she understands this and doesn’t mind having to call (as some teenagers would - I know I was not the most responsible teenager myself). There is a very fine line nowadays as we want our kids to experience all that the world has to offer and not live their lives in fear of doing so but at the same time we want to make sure that they realize all the “bad things” that can happen in a moment’s decision.
Barbaraq,
Thank you for your insight. You said it all in one piece. Good job.
@cbudd
Fyi: the full interview with Elio Nicolaas (former policemanin Aruba)
Missing in Aruba (3) — lie detector
MY NAME IS Elio Nicolaas and I am a resident of Aruba. I am a retired policeman, having served with the police department for more than 21 years. I believe that I can say that I have more than average knowledge in police management and practical experience in investigation and interrogation techniques.
I already had my doubts about the (possible) real story behind the disappearance of Natalee Holloway after 3 or 4 days of such being reported in the media. The doubts ebbed away a little after the arrest of the two security guards. Hearing the (possible) alibi of one of these guards, I told many around me that they would be freed within 2 or 3 days. This did not happen and I have my personal thoughts about this. The arrest of the 3 ‘original suspects’ who were labelled ‘witnesses’ at first, while the two security guards were still detained, further broadened my doubts about this whole nightmare for Aruba and its people. There are still a lot of questions to be answered, irrespective the fate of Natalee Holloway and it might well be that these three suspects will turn out to be (unwilling?) witnesses after all. I believe that Natalee is alive and possibly (still) in Aruba. My heart goes out to her family and I hope that I am right. If not — God spare — I hope that the family will understand that everything should be done to find her. That is the main objective at the moment.
Too many rumours have been going around since the first week of the disappearance of Natalee and I believe it is time that everybody who is connected some way or the other to Natalee, should be interviewed in a serious manner. These rumours must be verified. To do this, there is no better way than by using the polygraph. Admittedly, even in the US, only a dozen or so states accept the polygraph as evidence in its courts of law. However, most states permit the use of the polygraph (lie detector) as a very powerful investigative tool. I believe that the persons close to Natalee can be interviewed in Aruba by a (accredited) FBI polygraphist, who will evaluate this, and the results (charts) should also be given to a private polygraphist in the US engaged by the Government of Aruba for evaluation.
This procedure would have been very common in the US, and it is a pity that no one has even mentioned this possibility. Some local media may feel intimidated to publish this point of view that I am suggesting, but I believe that all concerned will be well served by it.
E.D. (ELIO) NICOLAAS
Aruba
BTW did anybody see the e-mail posted by Wonder Woman that she says is from Deepak?
If you did not, here is the link:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?t=201&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=680&sid=9005cabffad798ae7d7ff696fb20a244
Thank you for your comment TJW. I agree with you that bad things can happen in a moments decision and very good that your daughter calls you when she reaches her destistination. For me and my loved ones this als works very well. But still it isn’t clear to me why you agree on the fact that it’s better not to travel to Aruba. But even if they do this there will still be people like Natalee how make a wrong decision and get in the car with 3 guys she doesn’t really know. And I say this will all respect but she did make a wrong decision. It’s very hard to prevent people from doing this.
For the record around the hotels and the clubs there are a lot of security people day and night so that save, but this savety ends ofcourse if you get in a car with strangers who take you to the quite places on the island. And ofcourse making a bad decision shouldn’t mean that you disappear, don’t get me wrong the people who are responsible for this crime are very very bad and should be serverely punished. I still hope that Natalee will come back alive. But to be honest I think that she is dead.
Man, I hope someone is preserving all evidence collected- hopefully a trusted 3rd party (i.e. FBI), b/c if there were any mistakes made by Aruban Police- watch out for evidence tampering, mysteriously disappearing. Esp. if tourism board or whoever else with influence decides to go route of “accidental drowning.”
Quite frankly, I feel Natalee to be alive, but needing to be rescued.
I guess new story is that the young Van der Sloot “snuck out” to go to CC’s. Parent’s said it was “against their rules”. What rules? Dad teaches him how to gamble, gives him own apartment- don’t seem like the overprotective type. Dad seemed quite nervous. Furthermore, seems difficult for Van der Sloot to have “snuck out”- large gated property with at least two dogs. If he planned on going “clubbing” was probably dressed and smelling “fine”- wouldn’t want to be crawling over/under walls. Other choice, tip-toed to front gate and asked all family dogs to please not bark.
If father knows something, would that make him an accessory/co-conspirator? Could the good Judge be facing some time locked up with a bunch of his buddies he sentenced there. Mom too, one of her hobbies is collecting masks??? (symbolism?)
Where is Natalee-focus and pray and do whatever it takes. Never give up!!!
To all the good people of Aruba thank you for your help- we all live under the same Sun.
And may the Sun shone the Light on us all, even though some of us do not open our eyes…
Dutchie, thanks for your words. You seem to understand the situation pretty well. Funny how we are all programmed by the fairy tales of the princess in the tower of the catle, awaiting rescue by the prince… But in this case I believe that to be reality also. Since we have no facts we have to rely on our beliefs, whether or not they are induced by the Anderson’s.
The Americans will grow tired of this story and then Aruba will get back to normal, The spoiled Americans will come to Aruba again and through their money around as allways HA HA
CRS, let me know when you are here.
I think Paulus VDS is brilliant. He just opened his house up to the victim’s mother
for comfort, whether he or his son is guilty or not, he just improved his position in this
case ten fold. Unless all of this interview action is staged for a reason.
Checkme,
Are you an Aruban local? Do you have any inside connections to the island/boys? How can one say something like: these “boyz” are innocent, and she is alive, but not in Aruba?….without giving any detail. Is that just your gut feeling?
did anyone else feel ripped off last night becuase they didn’t let the cameras in the house?
and i was not impressed with the van der sloot home. for all the talk i had heard about how well off they were and joran having his own apartment next to the house….that’s just not what i expected.
i think beth got what she wanted from them. she wasn’t running out of the house furious, and she hugged joran’s mom and let her kiss her on the cheek. that was promising.
Hi, i’m posting for the first time. i live in holland and live on the neigbouring island curacao. I’ve visisted aruba often and C&C which is not sleezy. (have to say the contests are though and usually the americans gone wild teens and a local girl will participate , she’ll never go to far cuz she lives there and has a reputation to keep up, but the american girls don’t need too.Anybody doubting me or just think it was just that one time i went there that this scene occured. i’ve been going there everytime for 6 years when i went to aruba for vacationing) I’m just amazed by all the assumptions people make on this website, concerning the legal system, which is by all means not perfect, but certainly is not worse than the us, maybe slower but they do get all their facts right. And as for saying that joran is scum.. blah blah,,, hmmm i do believe that this guy know’s something but i don’t think if he killed her.. i do think she ODed and they got in a panick. As for painting natalee as angel…hmmm don’t think so. No way she’s angel. I heard she been a troubled teen, and someone that leaves a with guys she barely knew while she’s on vacation… well that says enough…. I hope people stop trying to potray here as angel… My best to both family’s some people seem to forget that these are persons who also have family’s. I hope she’s alive and if not hopefully they’ll get the bottom of this very soon.. closure is needed.
newhere-i don’t think anyone actually sees natalee as an angel. she’s just someone who put herself in a bad situation that she normally wouldn’t have done.
joran being called scum comes from people who actually have come in contact with him. not americans thousands of miles away.
i do appreciate you coming on here. we need more arubans with actual knowledge of what is really going on there. since we get very little actual news on the case, we spend more time speculating.
they need to investigate every drug provider on the island and they need the dutch version of the sas to do it!
If I were in the fbi I would consider the following:
The Marriott has surveillance cameras or the hotels in front of the beach were Mrs. Holloway was allegedly dropped of or question the people in that area.
Also the locate anyone with pictures of the waterfront in the area around that park: both land and sea so we can see what boats (sailing boat single mast types or cabin cruiser with windows that slant horizontal) are there. In addition, which ones may have left?
The worse thing I can see from all this that the Judge picks his son up that night and the Judge now knows she is missing and if he tell the wrong people she maybe vanishing to protect “the power that be”
It is a waiting game for us on the outside of the process. However, this could be even bigger that all of us think.
Hoping for the best.
These so called psychics: see her near water and in a dark place.
Question what do aruban’s do to protect themselves from hurricanes do they have shelters do these houses in Aruba have root sellers with a lids. If so interesting place to hid someone.
American are not caught up in the crime but the investigation…
Aruba appears to have arrested two poorer minorities with no really evidence and let the rich with kid go free. Than they try to cover with “tactical” reasons - BS!!!
Aruba has told the Americans “we do not need you help”
I have heard several Arubans attempt to suggest NH just left or overdosed or it was just her fault “because we just do not have crime here”. Please!!!
Finally, enough about the justice system…we get it…but even before building a case…find NH.
The only smart PR move in all of this was Joran’s dad inviting Beth and Greta into his home. Guilty or innocent this made the world think “he is not a total jerk”.
To make this story worst we have the St Natalee kids from Mt Brook acting like sex, drinking and hanging out in casinos, getting pick up in a bar, was something Natalee never did except for this one time in Aruba.
I by the way am one of the richest man in the world and really good looking to boot. I run twenty miles a week…have a woman begging to be with me and….
The point is some honestly would go a long way in this case…from Aruba to Mt Brook. That why we all love NH’s mom…she has been the only honest open person in this case.
I watched greta last evening and saw her and Natalee’s Mother go to the Van Der Sloop’s home…I have to admit, I have a different opinion of the Van Der Sloops, the Mother and Father that is…They didn’t have to let them in and who would have thought that they would?A 90 minute visit…I’m sure Beth Holloway came away with the same opinion of their son..but, they did the right thing to let her come and express herself…If the Dad picked his kid up at Mc Donalds at 11…who dropped the kid off there? Why was he there and who with? When he snuck out later, where did he go and how did he get back home?Nothing makes sense…why are the Boys changing their stories? I believe the orginal version..The Light House.I think they all took part in a crime..if they have evidence to keep holding them ,and they must because 4 are still being held ,then I would say all 4 participated in some way…In the begining didn’t we hear that one of the boys said” Something Bad happened”? Was that a rumor? I can’t remember..but, I think something bad did happen…Natalee died.How she died and where is she ,is the Mystery, but its pretty obvious who is responsible for her disappearance.
not only did the dad pick him up at eleven, but then he snuck back out. that’s from the dad. but he doesn’t know when he snuck out or when he came back home. he doesn’t even remember taking him to school the next day.
Checkme Says: The airing tonite confirms the fact the boyz did not commit a crime
CHECKME, several people asking but no response, why the above comment? What airing confirms this? Why do you state she is alive yet again but provide not even a tidbit to corroborate?
Checkme:
Just a question…What is your obsession with CRS…Just a question? I have been noticing that you’ve been looking for him on several boards???
Newhere- you said you were amazed about people speculating and THERE YOU ARE DOING THE SAME THING!
I just saw that i wrote that i live in holland and i live in curacao… I grew up in in curacao but now i live and study in holland.
As for as theory’s. I find it quite interesting that both family’s met with each other. I don’t think the vdSloot would’ve talked to twitty if they knew what their son did or did not do,hink so i really don’t think the dad knows what happened.
I have only heard two rumors, that might add to a theory.. i heard that they did find marihuana i her room, and that she has a life insurance of 2,8 millon… really don’t knowwhat to make of them as i said rumors.. and as far as i can tell a lot of rumors are going aruond.. rumors that are just rumors.
Well, maybe Van der Sloop can’t remember because he lost everything himself…A son who had a promising future and flushed it all down the toilet , his own career down the toilet because of this..quite a shock to anyone, I’m sure.
I don’t see anyone in their right mind “legal mind” letting Beth go to that house and possibly jepeordize the case. It’s almost like “Reality TV” with a possible homicide as the subject line.
i never wrote speculating, i wrote making asumptions. two different things.. speculate all you want, i do, i was just concerned about the assumptions.
i didn’t hear the marijuana thing. that’s new.
fashionqueen: i think checkme feels that crs can see in to his soul. crs understands him.
rem: the fact that beth can’t say what they discussed shows that they are not jeopardizing the case. if she came straight out spilling everthing the sloots said, that would have been different.
rem….I really have to agree with you there…Greta, being an attorney herself should have known better and advised Beth ..but, Mrs Twitty has a mind of her own and is determined,so I doubt anything ,anyone would have said would have stopped her…
I got to say - I saw this last night on fox and I thought for a second I was watching PUNK’D - between Beth yelling over the fence HEELLOO - HEELLOOO - Greta yelling - I see you there in the bushes and Papa VanDerSloot hiding in the bushes and then shuffling over like he had a poop in his pants - it was actually pretty hillarious!!
i think greta made i possible. she said she asked beth what is the one thing you want to do today, and she said talk to his parents. so greta put it together. i don’t think they were just driving around and decided.
Checkme - I just got in and I am trying to go back now and read your posts.
Maybe I have an good idea to solve this difficult problem: FUCK OFF YOU TO YOUR US OF ASSHOLES!!!
And leave the rest of the world as it is and nobody will harm you anymore ecxept your own people!! (how many people get killed everyday in USA?? and do you also make such a big thing out of it?? NO!!!)
You act like you live in the freeworld but in the meanwhile you want to rule the world with your stupid ideas and sue your neighbour when his cat is pissing on your lawn.
If you really want to live in a free world start to accept that we want to live our way and that wll amke that you also can live in a free world
Bye bye
Greetingd from Holland
Well, Greta did yak about Dad Van Der Sloot and the time he picked his son up etc…things we didn’t know ….The Mother wasn’t even home, she was in Holland ..As I said..I’m glad Beth was allowed in and she could converse with the Van Der Sloots..
mari - jimminy christmas settle down - its too early for that.
Mari - Your going to get an ulcer
I must ask; if you bought a bushel of apples and four of the apples were bad, would you throw the entire bushel away? Then why is everyone so quick to “boycott Aruba”? Do you think people from Aruba feel all warm and fuzzy about taking a trip to Disney World, with all the child molesters in Florida? Come on people……..give the Arubian authorities the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. Don’t be so quick to judge an entire island based on four guys.
yeah, vander sloot did look pretty goofy coming around the bushes. ‘i just want to give you a prayer card’…i’m pretty sure he thought he was getting served with papers again.
yes we take murders this seriously in the u.s. especially when it looks like there is way more behind this than some accident among teens.
It’s not what I get but what the world gets!!
I realize that there are more people walking around on mother earth than me alone!!
Vanessa - totally agree - I think everyone feels terrible about NH but to make judgements about the entire island is ignorant. pktbk - I bet your right, he was probably thinking here we go again.
I hope John Mason takes part of the half million he has made and starts going to a stylist - he is 35 and still momma is putting a bowl on top of that head.
Mari Huana….you smokin’ that wacky weed this early in the mornin??? Sheesh!!
This entire case is enough to make the strongest person weak to their stomach. I can only imagine the frustration that Beth must be going through. I do not think I could have kept my cool when aproaching those three boys like she did. I must agree that it is a little shadey that someone who is claiming to be innocent won’t speak in order to prove his innocense. I am perplexed as to why his father, a judge, would tell him to keep his mouth shut, if in fact the boy is innocent like they all claim. I mean being a judge he must know that these things do not just go away, and that the only way to get his son out of jail would be for Joran to cooperate and tell the police all that he knows.
For the family’s sake I truely hope that Natalee is alive. It is obvious that her mother is truely heart broken. As for the whole idea that she “ran away”, I think that if that were the case, someone would have some inclination of the “idea” to proceed with such a scheme. She would have told someone, she is an 18 y/o girl, and they tend to talk to all their close friends about things like that.
My next thought comes back to Mrs. Van der Sloot. How proud she must be to tell the world that her “sweet” son left a defenseless young woman on a beach alone in a foreign country to fend for herself. I mean that whole idea right there just makes Joran look even more stupid than he already has shown. If this is true, than that should show what an ass this kid really is. That is just a sick-o response that makes them all look just that much more shady. I am not buying it one bit.
Security guards, who they let go, screamed of their innocense and did everything possible to get people to see that, offering to help in any way possible, and not keeping their mouths shut. You would think that if these 3 boys were innocent they would be doing the same thing.
Mari Huana Holland:
Go pick some tulips and get off the board! US citizens don’t like when one of their own come up missing in a foreign land!
Was anyone else a little put off by the two new teens talking about NH last night? If those really were her two best friends I am a little concerned.
crs: I didn’t get to see any TV last night :(..can you elaborate?
vanessa…i don’t think we are bashing the whole island as much as we are venting frustrations with the lack of info we get. like it’s been said before, we are so used to getting minute by minute updates in america, we don’t have the patience to deal with the aruban way of doing things.
that aruban lawyer they had on last night even had tight lips. the lawsuit the twitty’s are filing is useless, they can’t talk about anything. we just aren’t used to that.
i think only scaredshitless fashionqueen and a few others actually want to boycott.
LEAP - I did not read too much into the elder sloot telling him to shut up - he was probably at school saying “I saw her last night -trying to be cool” - the elder sloot was smart to tell him to shut his mouth.
MOM - Greta had “her two best friends on last night” and the main thing I took away was if these were her best friends I was a little offended that they did not check on her before they left C&C one and two, they did not do more the next morning. I am by no means blameing these kids but if they truly were her “best friends” as described i was somewhat offended.
MOM - Also if you did not see Greta and Beth go to the Van Der Sloots you must find the video online or try and catch it on tv today.
Those two friends last night were like Stepford Friends. They were really hesitant (coached) to say anything.
I agree, crs!!! What the hell kind of friends is that??? The whole ‘friend’ thing pisses me off.
This is posted on CNN:
The team from Texas EquuSearch has also had issues with getting permission for their three search dogs to travel to the Caribbean island, according to Tim Miller, director and founder of the group. However, Miller said he had a conversation with Aruba’s prime minister, who has green-lighted the trip for Friday.
More hurdles, obviously. It just keeps assuring me that Aruba doesn’t WANT help from the US….Sheesh!
“If we were there we would NEVER have let her go.” Hindsight is 20/20.
exactly CRS, this has been bothering ever since supposed friends have come forward
the first two girls the networks were using were clearly not close friends of Natalee, the one let it slip
these two girls on Fox last night are supposedly her best friends, now the one girl left early but the other girl was part of the crowd that stayed until closing along with Natalee and she didn’t see Natalee get in any car, and they say no one saw Natalee get into any car which clearly contradicts what other classmates have said
what kind of girl friend doesn’t make sure their best friend is getting home OK at closing, unless she was so blitzed out of her head she couldn’t remember and doesn’t want to admit to that fact on national TV
she was also very defensive about talking about C & C’s, oh just a place we would hang out at night, honey you guys weren’t just hanging out you were partying hardy
p.s. THANK YOU, crs!!
Trisher - I was not impressed with them at all - maybe I am being harsh but for “best friends” I expected more.
sorry folks…gotta catch a meeting…will check back later!
Holland……Maybe Holland can start supporting ARUBA instead of the American Tourists…You want to be FREE of us…its OK by me…if you bothered to read this board most people don’t blame the people of Aruba..IT’S the botching of this case …letting the three skate for ten days and arresting two innocent black men…thats when things got Shady in HOT ARUBA
Cancon - I agree and why did the first girl leave early - was she drunk - hooking - what exactly - I was disappointed is the last thing I will say - I don’t want to make this about the friends.
crs - I think they are scared and drained. And coached
I mean, chances are very good they were all “tipsy.” Even a best friend, when “tipsy” can’t have the right mindset to take care of others like she should. Drinking is bad bad bad- but there’s no making it go away.
CRS- I can agree that the father would be concerned enough to say “Shut up” when bragging at school, but if that was all that he meant then Joran would be helping the police how ever he could. That statement was’nt one said to get your misbehaving kid to settle down as if he was screaming in the grocery store, it was said because he did not want his son slipping up and saying something incrimminating. The dad might not know what all went down, but I am sure that his intuition, if nothing else, is telling him something is way wrong.
PKTBK:
I absolutely do not want to boycott Aruba..I think it is very silly to judge a whole island based on the fact that there polis officials are incompetent…The only thing that I wish at this point, which will probably never happen, is for the polis to fall back and let the FBI and these other teams of searchers try it their way….
Leap - you may be right but I tend to believe Sr.Sloot that he was just trying to keep his son from saying something that could later be misconstrued. Let’s be honest - 17 yr. olds do not necessarily have a very good filter on what to say.
Trisher - I agree with you but if those were truly the “best friends” - that kind of makes me sad but that said they may be the best kids in the world - I don’t know them - and I basing my reaction only on a ten minute interview.
pktbk - i think you were thinking of leopard.
Did Checkme have anything else interesting to say yesterday other than the theory on the kidnapping and NH being on another island?
Who seems to be the childish one. I stated my opinion, I did not personally attack anyone. I think Joran has something to do with this. I might be mistaken but isn’t this blog for people who want to share their thoughts.
crs–LMAO! sorry i got my queens confused!
i didn’t get to see the best friends, but i will agree that if you are wasted you can’t keep up with yourself, let alone anyone else. who exactly was it that said they saw natalee get in a car with some boys? if you are inside a club or in a huddle of people, it is kind of hard to be noticing who’s leaving with who.
Stepford friends, yes! Really, they were so clearly coached on what to say and completely glazed over.
Natalee’s friends..The one on the right I thought was most likely a level headed one and decided to call it a night since they had to leave Aruba the next day….The gal on the left I felt knew more, but wasn’t going to say what she knew..just her facial expressions and demeanor I’m taking about…also, the one on the right said that Natalee met young Van Der Sloot for the first time that fateful night..that isn’t what we had read before…interesting, if true…
crs - Checkme was looking for you all afternoon and wanted to know how you read him so well.
Right on with your comment about daddy and his son. 17-year olds tend to be impulsive and naive and say things that we wish they hadn’t. As we can see from just this board, one statement can be taken to mean many different things to different people.
The two friends of Natalee are young, just like Natalee. The last thing they want to do on national television is admit they were drinking heavily and partying hard while at C&C’s. The lack of concern is disturbing, but at the same time they are young kids, drinking heavily, and they do not think as adults would. They think about how it all feels in the moment and what they want right then and there. The last thing on any of those kids minds was watching out for one another. I am not saying they are bad kids in any way, I am simply saying that all of us, many of us adults, cannot judge them on the basis of something that we would have done. Yes we would have used better judgement and would have been watching out for a friend, but that is coming from adults who have had experiences and have learned to take care of each other. Kids have no inhibitions and tend to think the world is one giant bubble of fun. Do not blame the kids for being naive.
I don’t read people well at first sight. I’m not sure about the best friends. The only thing I believe is that they know way more than they can tell.
supported by US tourism?
You act like it is some requirement that your country gives money to Aruba. If yuo don’t want to vaacation there, don’t.. But don’t act like this is some huge obligation and charity you are fulfilling..
oh and he tatoo has been for sale for longer than this has been happening, just a note for anyone.. if you search the alst month, it doesnt come up, but if you search from 2 months ago.. it does..
The friend on the right left an hour before closing she said…..so, she didn’t “SEE” anything…the one on the left stayed until closing…
Leap - good point on the girls - I think right now Joran should be given that latitude as well as far as not blameing kids for being naive - I think that is what Sr. Sloot was trying to avoid in telling him to shut up - Joran is naive and had no idea what he was in for in terms in the police and the media onslaught.
Does everyone agree that Greta has pulled ahead of everyone now in terms of coverage?
Bob…Holland came on here and was very rude, using FOUL language…I believe Aruba exists on Tourist Trade…enlighten me if I’m not correct and I’ll certainly apologize…
Everyone in this case knows more tahn they are saying except Beth Hollaway…time for everyone to be honest…
Maybe evryone should be required to take a lie-detector test before they can be on TV…O’Reilly may have thought the no-spin zone was clever but now he realizes he cannot find a honest guess. Let hear again how great the chaperones or was it “travel assistant” were on the trip.
greta is definitely more hands on in this thing. just going down there to tell the news with aruba as a backdrop, doesn’t mean you are covering the case. she’s a step ahead.
There seems to be a lot of rude people on here! People who think their opinion is the only right opinion. And everyone else is wrong.
CRS…Greta has gained the trust of Beth Hollaway…the only honest person on TV so far in this case.
This has put Greta close to the only person talking.
Welcome to the real world dawn.
To Mari Huana Holland - Well, you really represent your country well -NOT!
I don’t want to get into a pissing contest with you, but your attitude and language and the Aruban authorities trying to blame Natalee or suggest that she ran away is exactly why we are very annoyed.
I think you idea of us “f__king” off is a good one. It would be interesting to see how well Aruba’s economy does when we do.
Also, I guarantee that if a dutch girl disappeared in the U.S. and the police let the suspects go for 10 days and acted as incompetent as the police seem to be, you would be hollering louder than we have been
You people just can’t understand that although we do have crime in the U.S., the average American values life and even though many of us don’t know Natalee, she is a human being and we are concerned for her. All for one and one for all. I won’t apologize for that.
are they flying the horses in from texas? how well do horses travel?
I hope when NH is found that she gets to take a look at all of the footage and see how great that mom of hers is.
CRS: Thanks for clarifying!
Pktbk: It’s okay…I believe leopardqueen is 73 and still wears leopard…I on the other hand am 28 and my profession: Fashion Stylist…SMOOCHES!
yes it does exist on tourist trade(though other countries go as well, not just the US) but that’s the tourists choice.. I’ve seen many posters act like they are doing some great charity, or giving up so much by giving their dollars to Aruba.. They’re going on a beach vacation, not donating money…
JMO.. and I agree that the original poster was extremely rude(the one from holland)
Well said Mark 2!
CNN reports Equusearh Tx has to delay Aruba trip until Friday. They are having difficulty getting permission for their three dogs….what a friendly island
I was disappointed at the two travel agents on OReilly saying this would not impact Aruba…it should. It should wake parents up who spend money on these trips for their kids and we need to understand the Dutch hate Americans (as most of Europe).
Vacation America.
pktbk: horses travel quite well……..
pktbk:
EquuSearch is renting water vessels, bringing in their own sideways Sonar for underwater images and leasing horses from Aruba or having them sent from Miami. The search team is made up of retired and active duty law enforcement officers. The issue at hand as of yesterday was about bringing in their own search dogs however, the prime minister of Aruba has given them the green light to bring in the US dogs by this Friday. Yet again, another hurry up-but wait situation!
Every day more than 30 americans are killed by gunfire in the US (and five more in Iraq not to forget). Why don’t CNN and Fox have a daily topic on that?
Couldn’t tell you SuperG.
CRS, where has your friend Checkme been? Why has there not been a legitimiate response from any of the locals regarding their feeling that NH is alive, maybe on some other island, and that the 3 boys did not physically harm her?
Also, is there any truth to the rumor yesterday that the younger Kalpoe brother and the Croes DJ will be released later this week?
Has Joran been moved to the prison? I hear he was still in city jail last night. If the authorities still thought he was innocent, they would keep him in city jail, or release him as a witness on bail.
@Katcall
Are dogs allowed to travel more easy to the united states then?
superg….our local news recounts every day the casualties as well as triumphs on the war in iraq. also they give run downs on most crimes in our city. from robberies to child predators. it’s out there, some news people just wait until after nine to show that stuff.
thanks kat and vanessa on the equu info. what’s wrong with dogs coming in? if you have shot records, you can fax those. hmmm.
i was also wondering what side radars were. i was thinking they hung it on the horses as they walked along. covering more space than people walking. duh! lol
Observer…I’m not so sure they have bail there.
I recently read somewhere that 2 african-american tourists where shot in the head in St.Thomas. Why isn’t CNN reporting this?
and for FOX’S Greta van Susteren: Please Go rub the REDNESS OF YOUR NECK. You are making this a freaking Reality Show.
SuperG:
Local news networks ALWAYS report killings by gunfire or any other weapon. It’s overwhelming how much news cities receive each day about another killing however, NH’s case in Aruba is really bothersome due to Aruban laws, the delay in making an arrest Joran, Satish, Deepak and Stephen and their constant lies. Also, you see NH’s mom with her strong and determined attitude to find her daughter. This gets to the hearts of americans!
Could not tell you on Checkme, hopefully he pops up because quite honestly i put more weight on what he says than the MSM. I think it is logical that they would not say anything if they suspected this scenerio so as to provide an opportunity to locate her without the kidnappers knowing. CNN is shown around the world.
SuperG:
The US is more apt to allow dogs traveling in the US versus them going out. Maybe there is a reason for this delay for the dogs to come to Aruba. Maybe some Dutch law yet again hindering progress!
The news shows what people want to see and people want to see about NH. News is business just like any other.
SuperG..I think the War is covered pretty good…makes me sick though to hear it and read about Our Brave Men and Women that are over in that godforsaken country…Can you tell I support OUR TROOPS but not the war?? Talk about a Country that hates us…sheeesh…
i think like greta said, this case is so unusual, that’s why she’s there and that’s why we are so involved. compared to the every day shootings that go on, there’s not enough hours in the day to cover them. unless you watch cops on saturday, then you can see that they usually solve those or at least show the leads they have. i love cops…bad boys bad boys…whatcha gonna do?
This is exactly what I don’t understand! Why are they making it so difficult for us to come and help find Natalee??!!! Really! I’m seriously starting to believe that they have something to hide….
yeah isn’t it horrible…how dare they not use AMERICAN LAWS ON DUTCH TERRITORY!
snippy…that’s true. with the bad press america gets…it’s no wonder we are so hated. most other countries only know of americans by what is shown on tv. like our sitcoms and celebrities. i myself don’t feel comfortable having michael jackson or courtney love as my country’s representatives.
be thankful you aren’t going to Australia all animals imported into the country must be quarantined for 30 days
it is simple, they don’t want animals bringing in new diseases, they practically fumigate the plane as you are leaving
Hawaii too is very strict about that sort of thing……..
@pktbk
Perhaps your local news does. But do they track each incident for weeks as well - on a daily basis?
BTW: triumphs in Iraq?
@Thisher
No, they don’t. But they can deny travelling out of the country
Why would a volunteer search team come to Aruba to search for Natalee, if “supossedly” she is in another country. C’mon, do you guys really believe this?
These guys are comming from Texas and the only direct flight is with Continental. I was personally informed by continental that they do not transport dogs on this route, period. I tried transporting a Labrador from Houston to Aruba and that’s the answer I got. Also, the FAA has new reulations in place that prohibit any airlines from transporting dogs when the air temerature at the destination is above 85 degrees, which is always the case in Aruba in the summer months. All this plus the local lwas requiring certian health certificates, etc. So, if these guys are bringing dogs, a lot of exceptions will have to be made by Continental and by the FAA.
Pretty soon they also will not use AMERICAN DOLLARS on Dutch Territory either.
so Snippy do you support the soldiers that support the war or do you hate the soldiers that support the war
But isn’t this scenario justified enough where those exceptions should be made?
about Joran sneaking out, didn’t he have an exam the next day? that might explain it, perhaps even the Vander Sloots had some limits though clearly not enough
crs - YES, you are right. when you work in television, it’s all about the ratings!!!!!!
Stink…Well, you do make a good point..but, why can’t we aid in assisting you since this is an American girl missing in Aruba?Find the girl, everyone wins, except for the victim and the families on both sides..
superg-incidents that aren’t your average attack are on followed up on. like i said, there aren’t enough hours in a day. but if there is something odd about the case or intriguing, the news is going to be all over it. that’s their job. to inform the public about what is going on in their world.
pktbk:
Sideways Sonar in an underwater imaging unit that provides more clarity when searching underwater. Sonar was also used to find JFK, Jr, his wife and sister when their plane crashed a few years ago off of Martha’s Vineyard. It works very well. By the way…You probably can tell I also grew up in a huge Navy family.
Aruba has just other laws, you can’t change them
I’m sure the police will find out what really happened
pktbk - “most other countries only know of americans by what is shown on tv”
Probably soo true, and that is how we are largely judging what we see and hear from Aruba these days.
It should be, but it might create some delays.
Jake - I agree it is a long shot but I don’t necessarily believe anything else I hear at this point either.
It should be, but it might create some delays.
The President on May 31st. mentioned it at a press conference. He spoke about people voting for the first time. People are starting to get on the “bandwagon” and tending to agree that “freedom” is on the march.
found that on a palestinian website….and i do know that that is small compared to lives lost. both military and civilian, but it’s something.
Do any of you think that Joran confessed to his mom and dad that he accidently killed Natalee and threw her in the water, and the parents advised him to be quiet and not say that to the authorities, or do you think that the parents are as puzzeled as we are with this case?
Cancon…Of course I support the Men and Women who Support the War…I’m married to a retired Military Man…I realize these men and women are willing to give their life for our Country..I just wish they didn’t have to make such a sacrifice for a War that was based on LIES, in my opinion…
sorry I accidentally sent my reply twice.
I’m gonna go out on an unpopular limb here - but I don’t think Joran confessed because I don’t think he probably did that.
sorry some rules are made for a reason, I am sure they need to make sure the dogs have had all their shots because you don’t want the dogs infecting anyone in their country, as noted many countries and even Hawaii have very strict rules about importing anim