Beth Twitty and the Van der Sloots’ Meet


Today a meeting occurred between the mothers of Natalee Holloway and Joran van der Sloot, in just yet another interesting turn of events in Aruba. I pray that no witness violations just took place within Dutch law just so that Fox could get a story. Paul Van der Sloot had been questioned this past Saturday and Sunday by investigators. According to CNN, Paul Van der Sloot, “the judge was interviewed as a witness”.

Greta Van Susteren took Beth Twitty right up to the Van der Sloots’ front door, knocked on it and finally, yelled for someone to come–and Paulus himself answered the door. Then Greta and Beth went in and sat down and talked to both Van der Sloots (Mom & Pop) for 90 minutes.

This had been the “one thing” (one wish) that Beth wanted when Greta asked her.

We have received a tip that there were no cameras or recording devices during this meeting; however, this has not yet been confirmed.

Greta is going to give the exclusive report on this on her show “On the Record” on FOX News cable channel at 10PM EDT tonight.

UPDATE I: Video available.
Video from the Political Teen of the initial meeting before the cameras were turned off and Greta’s summary of events.

Update II: From Fox News: Parents Meet in Aruba

ORANJESTAD, Aruba — In an emotional meeting Tuesday, Natalee Holloway’s mother — who has pledged not to leave the island without her daughter — confronted the parents of one of the suspects in the case of the missing 18-year-old.

Holloway Twitty told FOX News’ Greta Van Susteren that she wanted to meet with the van der Sloots. The pair traveled to the van der Sloots’ residence where Van Susteren captured exclusive footage of Holloway Twitty calling into the home to determine if anyone was there. After spotting someone behind a bush, she urged him to come out and take one of the prayer cards she has been distributing.

Update III: For an interesting read and take on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, “Parents in Peril,” go to Planethuff, The Darkside

Posted June 21, 2005 by
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    956 Responses to “Beth Twitty and the Van der Sloots’ Meet”

    1. san on June 21st, 2005 8:13 pm

      There were no camers in the house when they were talking. They only showed them going in and leaving. Gretta said the father looked nervous and was rubbing his hands together.

    2. Omega on June 21st, 2005 8:15 pm

      Just saw Greta on Billy’s show – there were no cameras inside the house in the meeting. They found out Mother was in Holland when all this happen.

    3. san on June 21st, 2005 8:17 pm

      I didn’t realize that the mother wasn’t home that evening. It makes it more interesting.

    4. Omega on June 21st, 2005 8:27 pm

      I guess that is why they did not interrogate her — only grilled the Dad.

    5. Justin T on June 21st, 2005 8:46 pm

      dad knows what happened guarantee it

    6. San on June 21st, 2005 8:54 pm

      This case is driving me crazy. I just wish they would find her for her mother. I just saw Beth Holloway Twitty on TV and she is just exhausted. My heart goes out to her.

    7. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 8:57 pm

      CRS, you there?

    8. San on June 21st, 2005 9:04 pm

      Now apparently the mother said he left Natalee on the beach. He left a young girl that he supposedly accompanied on the beach all by herself. Boy someone is really lying. Stories get better and better.

    9. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 9:11 pm

      The airing tonite confirms the fact the boyz did not commit a crime

    10. San on June 21st, 2005 9:12 pm

      This search and rescue team is headed up by a guy whose daughter was missing and apparently the police told him that she ran away and she turned up 17 months later dead. That’s when he formed this organization. He said he had hoped to do 4 to 5 searches a year and they are up to 400 in the past five years. The organization runs on donations.

    11. Bham on June 21st, 2005 9:37 pm

      The “boyz” are definitely involved or they would have told the truth from the beginning – there would have been no reason to lie and immediately try to pass blame to the security guards. Even a helf wit can figure that out

    12. Red on June 21st, 2005 9:42 pm

      San Says: …
      “June 21st, 2005 at 9:04 pm e
      Now apparently the mother said he left Natalee on the beach. He left a young girl that he supposedly accompanied on the beach all by herself. Boy someone is really lying. Stories get better and better. ”

      I feel like someone is going to a Dr to get a second, third and fourth opinion on surgery. When do you think these people can come up with a story that they actually stick with?

      Next thing you know they will be saying they bought her a plane ticket on a different flight back to AL. Geez, have some consistency VDS’s.

    13. help on June 21st, 2005 9:53 pm

      ok…i havent been here in a couple days. anything new?

    14. Checkme on June 21st, 2005 10:15 pm

      Looks like she is alive but not in Aruba.

    15. dawn on June 21st, 2005 10:19 pm

      Those boys know what happened! They have done nothing but lie for three weeks. His parents said he is not arrogant just confident! GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!

    16. dawn on June 21st, 2005 10:22 pm

      The look in Joran’s eyes in all of his pictures is creepy!!

    17. HiEnergy on June 21st, 2005 10:29 pm

      dawn…how do you know…can you read their minds?….give it up with your childish baseless rumors and gossip….”His eyes look creepy…he must be guilty”…grow up

    18. observer on June 21st, 2005 10:46 pm

      Checkme, we’ve corresponded briefly on here the last couple of days and your perspective is refreshing, but how can you state that it appears that the boys have not commited a crime and that NH is alive but on another island. If you make such a statement, you have explain w/ facts.

      I’ve been relying on this board and on RienWorld the last few days for info, but that has been a mistake. The real clues about what’s going on can be gained by on-camera interviews w/ NH’s family. They have no incentive to lie, cover up, exxagerate or blame someone wrong, because their only interest is in getting their daughter back. NH’s mom still begged Juron’s parents today for any insight Juron may have to her dissapearance b/c she still believes Juron holds the key. The mother knows right b/c she’s been investigating there for 3 weeks. If the boys did not commit a crime, then why the need to change stories multiple times, sacrifise their butts for kidnappers, and to hold them in prison. If they did not commit a crime, they would be held as witnesses rather than suspects in prison.

      THere has been other misinformation on these boards. Based on Juron’s dad’s comment on Fox, he did not pick Juron up at 3am at McDonald’s and does not know how he got home. he picked up Juron from McDonalds at 11pm to take him home but Juron snuck out of the house and went to C&C.

      Also, the Holloway’s have not paid for the texas rangers — they’re doing it voluntarily, based on a Holloway family’s statment on FOX.

      Checkme or CRS, any response?

    19. slytomtom on June 21st, 2005 10:54 pm

      Well, i will be the first to say that looks can certainly be deceiving. Who would have ever thought that eric rudolph would have bombed an abortion clinic? Or that jeffrey dahmer did all those terrible things? Or susan smith killed her kids? Should i continue? As a matter of fact, some of the most notorious criminals are considered not only attractive, beautiful, or handsome, but they also are thought of as very kind people by those close to them. Remember the sniper? My point….don’t make judgements on a person’s looks. Gosh…many of us would have been convicted of crimes that we would never even think of commiting if our system of law worked that way. My thoughts and prayers are with Natalee and her entire family.

    20. slytomtom on June 21st, 2005 10:58 pm

      my above comment was directed to dawn. sorry if there was any confusion.

    21. Justin T on June 21st, 2005 11:06 pm


      You can not possibly be saying that based on that interview Alan Combs did with that detective. The first thing that guy tried to do was smear Natalee by suggesting people were not telling the truth about Natalee. He offered nothing other than anther opinion and ad to rumor. Natalee has never run away and had no reason to do so during this trip any suggestion of it is ridiculous.

      After watching Greta’s show tonight I find it VERY interesting that JVD was told by daddy not to talk about the case. The excuse being he was just running his mouth off and get into trouble. As a father I would think the first thing you would do is have your son tell the police exactly what happened. That is if you have nothing to hide… Dad knows what the hell went down that night. No question

    22. Justin T on June 21st, 2005 11:09 pm


      but I agree with you 100%. Ted Bundy to name anther one. HA on a more humorous side what about Jim Bakker and Jimmy Swagart…..

    23. Peter on June 21st, 2005 11:13 pm

      It sure seemed, based on the description of his behavior at their meeting, that he was nervous about something. A clean conscience shows. So does a guilty one.

      I wonder what kind of reception Mrs. Holloway would have received if there had not been cameras there.

    24. Peter on June 21st, 2005 11:15 pm

      And I’d just like to say, from watching Mrs. Holloway on television that, MRS. HOLLOWAY IS ALL CLASS.

    25. IAMNOONE on June 21st, 2005 11:19 pm

      what does mrs Hollaway having all class have to do with the price of tea in China???? It’s about finding her daughter; not about who the good guy and villian is in Peter’s little pathetic soap opera?????

    26. ScaredShitless on June 21st, 2005 11:20 pm

      Shaddup “I AM NO ONE”…..he’s just making a comment about the classiness of Natalee’s mom

    27. ScaredShitless on June 21st, 2005 11:21 pm

      did anyone see the Greta/Holloway interview with Paulus tonight?????

    28. ScaredShitless on June 21st, 2005 11:22 pm

      thank GOD that 11 yr old Utah boy was found! Hallelujah! I prayed all day/night for him…I am STILL praying for the Holloways

    29. slytomtom on June 21st, 2005 11:26 pm

      unfortunately i missed the interview that seems to be the topic of discussion here. does anyone have a link to a news story about it? or does anyone know if it will air again?

    30. ScaredShitless on June 21st, 2005 11:26 pm

      i think Greta’s show is on again at 3 AM EST

    31. ISA Valedictorian '97 on June 21st, 2005 11:31 pm

      My husband introduced me to this site and I had to post something. I lived in Aruba for 7 years and actually went to the same school as Joran. His mom, Anita, was my art teacher for all of high school. I don’t know much about him as he was in elementary when I graduated, but I can say this much… his mom was an incredibly nice woman. She was a little out there, but she’s an art teacher, everybody’s art teacher is a little out there.
      I just hope they find her so her parents can have some closure. I doubt she’s still alive, it’s been too long. I’m also afraid that the government doesn’t have the capabilities to find her, they’ve never dealt with anything remotely like this. In the 7 years I lived there, I remember hearing about 1 murder. I hope they let the FBI help or that group that’s coming from Texas can find something.

    32. Bayou on June 21st, 2005 11:31 pm

      I saw the Greta interview tonight. The confrontation at the VDH house was amazing to me. I fully expected the father to demand for them to leave but he actually invited them inside. This changed my perception of this man. Prior to that I was under the impression he was a Low Life scum of the earth. He didn’t seem that way to me at all tonight. He seemed meek. He seemed concerned.

      These are the traits I would expect from an innocent man so I’m left with a confused feeling. I cannot figure this one out. I was convinced that the father was involved in Natalee’s disappearance. I’m actually having second thoughts now.

    33. observer on June 21st, 2005 11:31 pm

      are any locals left on here — they seem to have interesting theories, although not fool-proof?

    34. mora68 on June 21st, 2005 11:36 pm

      Scared…I think it is awsome that the little boy was found, I cried when I saw that. And I think Peter is absolutely correct, Natalee’s Mom has so much class, we can all learn something from her. I can’t even imagine what my state of mind would be if my daughter was missing. She has held it together, and has the World behind her. God Bless her and Natalee and the whole family….as well as the other missing children in this world.

    35. ScaredShitless on June 21st, 2005 11:39 pm

      Mora68, you said it all! My thoughts exactly….I think of ALL the missing children…that’s why I esp. thank God for John Walsh

    36. Peter on June 21st, 2005 11:39 pm


      Let me try and explain this to you in the simplest terms possible so you may grasp the concept of what CLASS is.

      The women is under extreme stress and is maintaining her cool in the public eye.

      By the way, your handle suits you.

    37. slytomtom on June 21st, 2005 11:43 pm

      what do you folks think the dad and the party boat dj had to do with natalee’s disappearance? what did the authorities question the dad about for so long? and which boy named the dj (croes) and what role do you think he played? i have my theories but would like to hear others.

    38. observer on June 21st, 2005 11:44 pm

      slytomotom, what’s your theory?

    39. ellwood on June 21st, 2005 11:46 pm

      Would any of you ever vacation in Aruba now that we see how inadequate the system is there? Just wondering?

    40. Peter on June 21st, 2005 11:48 pm

      I can only assume that from the CLASS demonstrated by Mrs. Holloway, that no doubt that quality of character was passed onto her daughter, based on what’s been reported on how Natalee maintained and conducted herself at such a young age.

      In my humble opinion, a glowing example of what an adolescent should be.

    41. Peter on June 21st, 2005 11:52 pm


      Not a chance. And I certainly wouldn’t recommend it to ANY woman, since American women seem to be of extreme interest to the locals, from what I’ve read here and elsewhere. And I wonder what they might have on their minds . . . .

    42. observer on June 21st, 2005 11:53 pm

      Let’s be reasonable guys. She did not voluntarily run away! The world has seen her face now and she is readily recognizable. Even if she felt family pressure and wanted to break free for a while, this is a woman who comes from a comfortable family w/ some money, and after a few weeks of wandering around the islands or south america, reality will sink in and she’ll want to go home to her nice house and bed. Also, if a runaway, it requires planning and lots of planning. She can’t use a money machine ever again w/o the bank picking it up. PLEASE no one mention run away again w/o looking stupid.

      A kidnapping by some real thugs (not the 3 boys) is plausible, but then why would the boys keep changing their stories and pointing to each other. WHy not just say that “some other bad guys” kidnapped her w/o mentioning specific names (in case the boys are worried about the real kidnappers getting revenge).

      Once she’s in the Holiday Inn, it’s tougher for someone to grab her from there — there are employees in the lobby, etc.

      Also, kidnapping and human trafficking is bogus, because there are thousands of young women who travel to Aruba yearly. Why choose this one woman for kidnapping. Would it not be easier to seduce and drug a woman travelling w/ only a couple other people than a woman travelling w/ a 100 other students? Common sense.

    43. slytomtom on June 22nd, 2005 12:00 am

      well observer, i have several theories. one is that joran actually took natalee on the party boat rather than leaving her at the beach or at the hotel. or that one or all of the 3 boys harmed her, maybe fatally, and had some arrangement with croes where he would take her aboard the party boat and get rid of her. Let’s pray that’s not what did happen though. Maybe she is still alive and was held hostage by Joran and Croes and taken to another island. Just guessing, but i would say they probably “doctored” her drinks at the club so much that she never even thought about her return flight. As far as the dad goes, i think joran may have told his dad the truth about what happened and he is trying to cover for his son and at the same time trying to cover his own butt to preserve his judicial ranking. still not sure why the authorities would question him for a day and a half though.

    44. slytomtom on June 22nd, 2005 12:08 am

      i think human trafficing is a plausable theory. with only about 97,000 residents on the island, it probably would not occur often though. maybe natalee was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. with joran’s dad being a judicial official or judge in training or whatever you want to call him…..maybe joran heard him discuss some crime ring involving young beautiful girls and decided to try to get involved in it….maybe just because he was drunk or maybe on a dare from friends.

    45. observer on June 22nd, 2005 12:14 am

      Slytomtom – Thanks for the response, but I just don’t see how 3 young kids can plan something so complicated (without leaving evidence) after only meeting NH a day ago (assuming Joran met her at a casino a day before the night of dissapearance). COnducting business w/ these human traffickers requires planning, sophisitication and produces paper, email and cell phone trails, which is easy to detect and find for the aruban polis or the American FBI.

      Mrs. Holloway keeps asking Joran (directly and through his parents today) about what he knows happend to NH – Joran is the key. If he does not have the sophistication to sell her, only an accidental killing and delivery of the body to Croes makes sense.

    46. kimber on June 22nd, 2005 12:15 am

      I have been to aruba as has my family and some friends and since this situation no 0 none of us will return and none of our friends until the outcome, Aruba is not the only island in the caribbean

    47. mora68 on June 22nd, 2005 12:16 am

      Would any of you ever vacation in Aruba now that we see how inadequate the system is there? Just wondering?

      In response to this question, the truth is no…I wouldnt vacation in Aruba, but, that is not because of this situation…everytime I save my money to take a trip, I end up in Disney…LOL. My husband and I went on a cruise for our honeymoon, just to do something different, and we missed Disney sooo much…pathetic, I know…but, you did ask…

    48. Compananzi on June 22nd, 2005 12:22 am

      This is indeed a mystery wrapped in an enigma….. I for one surely hope this case turns out like that Runaway Bugeyed Bride Wilbanks. Short from a confession, or the possibility of kidnapping/sex trade, the only theory left is that Nat left the island somehow.

    49. Peter on June 22nd, 2005 12:24 am

      Try mine.

      Possibly a drug dropped into her drink, to make her more manegable. Then, steered to the car and off to a secluded area where she was gangraped by all three. Possibly ODing on the drug and/or being murdered to keep the crime quiet. Then burying the body, either at sea or in a shallow grave.

      Motivation isn’t a leap, either. Say, I’m with two buddies. One says, let’s take this hot chick I’ve met for a ride out to the lighthouse. The first thing I’d say to him, if uninterested, is:

      “Why? Take her yourself.”

      Or, if I’m a real nice guy and agree with my buddy, I’d say:

      “Yeah. That’s a good idea. Pull me away from all these other cuties at the C&C. I’m sure she’d appreciate a tour of the lighthouse before she goes back home.”

      How generous. But being a bit of a cynic, I don’t have much faith that such altruism exists in three spoiled males with raging hard-ons in the Aruban heat. Particularly KNOWING, as we now know, what F-ups their Aruban Keystone Cops are. They thought it would easy.

    50. Peter on June 22nd, 2005 12:29 am

      They thought it would be easy until the response of an aroused American public placed a fire under their government’s ass.

    51. slytomtom on June 22nd, 2005 12:31 am

      can you really say that the system in aruba is inadequate? think about what they have accomplished in a few short weeks. several people have been detained, questioned, etc. we all think these 3 young boys had something to do with natalee’s disappearance. But, in america we could not hold them this long without charging them. they can be held for like 116 days or longer without being charged. in america, that’s a jail sentence. so think….the boys are minors (if 17 is considered a minor in aruba) so that could be why the authorities are not letting out much detail of their investigation. or maybe they aren’t considered minors….they were out drinking in a club. i haven’t heard anyone discuss whether or not they would be considered minors in an aruban court. Now your description of their system as being “inadequate” makes me wonder how you describe our system. in our system, the boys would stil be on the streets and would have had every chance to “get out of dodge”. Also, think about this: in our system, just yesterday a jury returned a guilty (2nd degree murder) verdict for a former KKK member. The crimes occurred back in 1965. That’s 40 years ago. he killed 3 people and got convicted of murder 2. the prosecuter decided not to go for murder 1 because of his age and health. Sound inadequate?

    52. slytomtom on June 22nd, 2005 12:35 am

      apparently joran knew croes from using the same internet cafe. he also sent text messages by cellular phone to one of the other boys computer. sounds pretty darn sophisticated. we don’t know what all communication did go on.

    53. cbudd on June 22nd, 2005 12:37 am

      I have some questions for any of you. Do cell phone companies have the capability of checking for the text message that Deepak claimed to have received from Joran?

      Do we know what type of medication was left in Natalee’s room? Could she have epilepsy? Could the foam left on the beach be sent to a forsenics lab and be tested for Natalee’s DNA (assuming the foam was used during a potential seizure)?

      Have the Kalpoe parents stated what time Satish and Deepak returned the night/morning of Natalee’s disappearance?

    54. slytomtom on June 22nd, 2005 12:40 am

      furthermore, O.J. walked right through our system. Is that adequate?

    55. slytomtom on June 22nd, 2005 12:42 am

      cbudd, what is this about foam? i haven’t heard anything about foam.

    56. observer on June 22nd, 2005 12:44 am

      The foam on the beach was not foam from someone’s mouth — that kind of foam disintegrates quickly and is live saliva. The foam found on the beach is styrofoam (the white stuff that’s in the box your tv came in).

    57. Peter on June 22nd, 2005 12:48 am


      Food for thought . . .

      Is it necessary for two foreigners, who have no connection to anyone on Aruba, to have to point out to the police which of their locals should be considered suspects in their daughter’s probable kidnapping?

      This is adequate??

    58. Peter on June 22nd, 2005 12:51 am

      I would think the parents would get to Aruba and an investigation already would have been in the preliminary stages. Porvided that a crime had been reported in the first place.

    59. slytomtom on June 22nd, 2005 12:53 am

      aha….another theory then observer….maybe a large piece of foam was used as a flotation device by natalee. could she have possibly been playing in the water, lost her floatation device, and drowned? could the guys just be telling stuff to try to cover their butts when it was all really an accident?

    60. cbudd on June 22nd, 2005 12:55 am

      Thank you Observer. I did not realize it was styrofoam.

      Slytomtom, I read somewhere that some foam was found on the beach in the “Colony” area (where ever that is located) along with a security guard shirt and the foam could possibly contain teeth marks.

    61. AFriend on June 22nd, 2005 12:57 am

      please PRAY for natalee…

    62. cbudd on June 22nd, 2005 12:58 am

      When I first read about the security guard shirt being found on the beach it seemed like more than a coincidence. I thought perhaps Joran and the Kalpoes fabricated the security guard story and intentionally planted the shirt on the beach.

    63. slytomtom on June 22nd, 2005 12:59 am

      i don’t think natalee’s parents fingered the boys as suspects. i believe the aruban authorities had already detained the boys when Ms. Holloway made the statement about those boys knopwing what they did with natalee.

    64. Hera on June 22nd, 2005 1:04 am

      Did anyone notice how dejected Beth Twitty appeared when she emerged from the meeting with Joran’s parents? She probably has more questions than answers from the interview and most likely, she and Greta reported some of the information confidentially to the police. I am so very sad for both families.

    65. Peter on June 22nd, 2005 1:06 am

      Amazing, the versions that keep coming out.

      I wouldn’t have such a problem with the perceptibly slow progress of getting the information I’m sure they know the suspects have, if they hadn’t made such a mess of the investigation from the beginning.

    66. slytomtom on June 22nd, 2005 1:06 am

      furthermore peter, guilty people are questioned and released in our system probably daily. my point is that there is no perfect system. and ours is not necessarily better than theirs. the system of law is just different and to be able to convict the criminal(s) within THEIR system, they MUST follow THEIR laws. We would not want Anyone in our country to be subject to the iranian or russian laws would we?

    67. katya on June 22nd, 2005 1:10 am

      Peter: Natalee hadn’t been missing even 24 hours when the parents arrived. Even in the US you have to be gone at least 24 hours before someone can file a missing person report.

      There is nothing to blame aruba about on that score.

    68. Hope on June 22nd, 2005 1:11 am

      I read someone saw a light in the sky that moved slowly around the time in question…can you take Hot Air Balloon rides in Aruba and if yes where might the trade winds take you…might this be a safe way to move someone without airport logs…also did you see that the partyboat “the tatoo” is now for sale?

    69. slytomtom on June 22nd, 2005 1:16 am

      katya, thank you. i stress again that we should not blame the aruban system for any lack of progress. They are obviously trying their best as it is also in their best interest to solve this case. I’m sure they just don’t want to botch anything so alot has to be kept on the DL right now.

    70. Peter on June 22nd, 2005 1:20 am

      Tell me, how long does it take to break a spoiled 17 year old? In Aruba, specifically?

      In Aruba, in the U.S., in Canada, in the U.K, in Iran, for example. Anywhere, Kidnapping is kidnapping, murder is murder, and the ugency should be the same in every country.

      As I understand, if one is a suspect in a capital crime, your belongings are searched if they are thought in anyway to have anything to do with the perpetration of a crime and a competent team with a sense of urgency is running the show. I think the car should have qualified a little earlier than 10 days. Don’t you?

    71. cbudd on June 22nd, 2005 1:23 am

      I think aruban authorities blotched things from the moment Dompig released a statement saying that Natalee was dead and one of the suspects would lead them to the body then retracted the statement only to release another one stating that “something bad” happened to Natalee and then retract it also. If he in fact made a blunder that huge in the U.S. he would lose his job.

    72. Peter on June 22nd, 2005 1:24 am

      Two points for cbudd . . .

    73. Justin T on June 22nd, 2005 1:29 am


      I think anther question would be. IF they dropped her off somewhere why are they lying about it and what are they afraid of? just making an assumption that they didn’t hurt her but dumped her with someone else.

    74. cbudd on June 22nd, 2005 1:32 am

      Did anyone see the interview with the retired Aruban police officer who wanted to give the Holloway/Twitty parents a polygraph? What questions do you think he would like to ask them?
      Also, Alan Colmes alluded to Natalee’s disappearance as being on her own accordance by stating that she has pulled this once before. Does anyone know what he was talking about?
      I don’t buy for one minute that she pulled a “run away bride” but I am wondering what would make the two of them think that way.

    75. Hope on June 22nd, 2005 1:32 am

      All those who live in Aruba with their eyes open know the horrors in the shadows. Arubans choose to look the other way as in times past it protected their very lives….but this crime has placed the little dutch island in a very bright light…the purest form of light know as the Lord. She is in his care and will be delivered safely into his kingdom or her mothers arms, but Aruba will never recover, noone will accept she died of a OverDose and dumped into Boca Mahos, that story, told for so many years, is finally finished. She has been abducted and sold as too many of Gods lambs have been over the years. The DEA has well mapped out human trade routes and now all the world is exposed to the evil.

    76. cbudd on June 22nd, 2005 1:33 am


      Maybe that is where Steve Croes comes into the story?

    77. gomez on June 22nd, 2005 1:38 am

      Natalee’s mom found the dutch scum within 12-16 hours of the time Natalee’s flight was supposed to leave the island. The inept or corrupt local officials took 10 days to haul the liar into custody. Lying = some nastiness. You limp coddling idiots should find some reason in this.

    78. Justin T on June 22nd, 2005 1:41 am


      very possible, as for the interview I saw it. It was this police officer who was implying they should be questioning Natalees parents and friends. I didn’t specifically see him mention the lie detector test. In the trailer it indicted that this cop was going to say she ahd run away before but he didn’t when they actually ran the interview. He did say that she was not perhaps the girl they are saying she is. Which is all bullshit. He had no evidence or any justification for his comments about her being a live. he made the comment that if she had money she could be on one of the other islands and that in 50 years nothing like this has happened here in Aruba. So that is why it could not be now and why she must of run away. In my opinion it was a waste of time

    79. Peter on June 22nd, 2005 1:42 am

      Gomez – Calmate amigo.

    80. cbudd on June 22nd, 2005 1:47 am

      If that retired officer is typical of aruban law enforcement then it is no wonder the investigation is a disaster.

      Actually, I don’t think that any of the boys have anything to fear about Croes. If they knew he was soley guilty of her disappearance they would have ratted him out by now.

    81. Hope on June 22nd, 2005 1:48 am

      lets hope she “ran away”….this way they can give her back with a simple case of memory loss and the nightmare will end. Its accepable, and Im sure no questions will ever be asked…simple, she cant recall what happened, but Im In Jamaica come pick me up.

    82. Hope on June 22nd, 2005 1:50 am


      Lincoln D Gomez is a graduate of Saint Leo College, Saint Leo, Florida, U.S.A. (B.Sc. Biology/Chemistry) and Universiteit van Aruba as juris doctor in Aruba law with a concentration in corporate law.

      Mr. Gomez has acted as an aid to the Minister of Public Works in Aruba in charge with the development of infrastructure and urban planning. He has also acted as assistant general-counsel for the Ministry of Justice and the Permanent Secretary to the Council of Ministers of Aruba.

      He left that office to join private practice of aw, by associating himself with the law offices of Zielinski, Gonzalez and Gibbs, who at that time was outside counsel to the Ministry of Justice. He is admitted to the bar in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. In February 2002 he founded the law offices of Gomez & Bikker, with Andin C.G. Bikker. With principal offices in Aruba, Gomez & Bikker’s offers a complete range of legal services including litigation and alternative dispute resolution in the areas of: international trade, corporate business, hospitality, real estate, maritime, aviation, tax, intellectual property and telecommunications law.

      He is a member and officer in a number of professional organizations, which include: TerraLex, Inter-American Bar Association, Aruba Bar Association, Aruba Financial Center Association and a past member of the board of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry of Aruba. Lincoln has authored a number of publications on Aruba civil, corporate, fiscal and labor laws and has lectured business law at the Brown University in Aruba.

      Mr. Gomez is (was) a director and shareholder of numerous companies including: ZGB Trust Services Aruba N.V., Golden Rainmaker Telecom Services N.V., Aruba E-Trade Center N.V., Conexxions Airlines N.V. and Tony Roma’s Partners (Aruba).

      hmmm….Law, international trade, telecom services…hotair ballons on his telecom website, no wonder websites are coming down and phone records are missing. Is it me or does he act defensive when interviewed on foxnews?

    83. Justin T on June 22nd, 2005 1:52 am


      true about croes. you have to ask why did dad tell Joran not to talk about the case? If you missed it that is why he is not allowed to see him. If Joran were my son and he had nothing to hide I can’t imagine under any cirucmstance would I tell him not to speak up. It seems that one of them would of cracked by now unless something much bigger is holding them back. That being that they are all three responsible for what happened to her or possibly they are covering for someone else out of fear. Obviously just an observation and trying to figure out why it would be so hard to break one of these kids.

    84. cbudd on June 22nd, 2005 2:00 am

      Also, Joran’s father knew Joran drank underage, gambled underage, and frequented CnC underage so why all of a sudden would Joran need to “sneak out”? Obviously, dad is trying to cover for Joran.

    85. Justin T on June 22nd, 2005 2:10 am

      I agree daddy dearest knows far more than he has said.

    86. ydave on June 22nd, 2005 2:16 am

      So Paul VD Sloot lied. He first said he picked his son up around 3:00 AM at a McDonald. Now he says he picked him up at the McDonald around 11:00 PM.

    87. Hope on June 22nd, 2005 2:19 am

      Julie Banderas….Columbian family, should be smarter than to report all is well in Aruba with party music playing in the background….for 3 weeks no music, and now that the island is seeing less flights arriving, the deception starts…”all is well” is being bought by noone. May God protect the beatiful, innocent people of Aruba…we know your fear, please ask for her safe return.

    88. Hope on June 22nd, 2005 2:26 am

      Time to filter through the powers at hand.

    89. scampos on June 22nd, 2005 2:30 am

      Call it mother’s intuition. Or the Holy Spirit. Natalee’s mom knows. God’s justice will prevail. That is my prayer anyway…along with her safety should she still be alive. And for peace for the family.

      On the Aruban officials, etc. I told my husband I can’t stand watching them be interviewed…any of them..they always act as if they are either stoned or hiding something.

    90. katya on June 22nd, 2005 2:37 am

      ydave, VDS never said he picked up Joran at 3 am. That was another internet rumour.

    91. Ms Girl on June 22nd, 2005 2:39 am

      If someone is not guilty, and they are backed into a corner, then (most people) would come out fighting to defend there lives, reputation, etc. Remeber how the 2 guards acted after they were released. They were more then happy to talk to the media about there alibi’s . If these boys are not guilty( they were arrested later) then where were they in the days before there arrests? If it was me I would have been riding with the police , giving them the exact details of what went down that nite. NO Talk= Guilt

    92. Veritas on June 22nd, 2005 3:10 am


      Van Susteran sounds Dutch and she is overeducated and stiff… I need a more simple meat and potatoes person who is sensitive to plight of Natalee’s mom

      he must be working on some angle of this????

    93. Barbaraq on June 22nd, 2005 3:45 am

      What in the world makes you people think just because Natalee is an American that we can barge into a soverign country and start taking over and going against their laws? We surely wouldn’t let that happen here. Is it frustrating, yes, but all we can really do is wait and give their government the time to solve this issue, I believe they will. Should Natalee’s family bring in others to search, get their faces on every tv show available, absolutly. That puts pressure on Aruba to keep moving forward on this case. As for Mr Van der Sloot telling his kid not to talk, which he originally told him before ever being picked up when he was talking at his school, what parent wouldn’t want to do the same thing until he or she could figure out just what did happen, it happens all the time even in the US. How many of you have ever visited Aruba? If you have you would know how safe that counrty really is, you would know the people are very friendly and you would also know there are problems there just as there are here, drugs, crime(although not nearly as much as we have)etc. I don’t see any of you crying out for the enjustice we have all of America, I don’t see you urging tourist not to come here because we have crime or drugs. None of us know what really happened or is happening in Aruba, it is all speculation on our parts, and we speculate because we care. Why are you blaming an entire counrty for the actions of a couple of people? These three or four guys may have dont something, if so they should pay but it seems like the lynching mobs are out and about, what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? I BELIEVE in my heart the Aruban government will get to the bottom of this, the guilty will be held accountable and the world will go one. I pray for all involved, but are you all as concerned about the many many other missing Americans not only here but abroad? This is all just my opinion of course, but instead of condeming everyone is Aruba I choose to hold on to the hope Natalee is found alive and all the questions will be answered, how would you all feel if the kids being held didn’t do anything to Natalee other than to get scared that they were involved and start try to make up storys. As far as Jr Van der Sloot being spoiled, living on a small Caribbean island is much different than living here, the kids have much more freedom, are allow to do things you may not let your children do. Sorry for the rant just tired of hearing everything blamed on Aruba and already hanging these 4 boys. If they need to be “hung” then they will but lets see where this leads. Barbara

    94. Concerned on June 22nd, 2005 3:59 am

      Given that we know very little and have little hard evidence after 3 weeks , I do not plan to travel to Aruba and, as an educator, I will encourage mine and nearby school districts to avoid organized student travel to the Carribbean. Our kids can stay in the US at least- until the Carribbean resort areas take measures to become safer and more appreciative of our business.
      There seems to be a lust for our money but disrespect for our people. We can change that
      with the power of boycotting.
      Natalee is our child; this could have happened to any one of our children Let’s learn a lesson.

    95. dutchie on June 22nd, 2005 6:00 am

      I totally agree with Barbaraq, I just returned from Aruba. I go to Aruba serveral times a year for business and for vacation, and Aruba is a friendly Island with not a lot of crime. I am from Holland in fact from Amsterdam and as you know in big city’s crime happens every day. Of course Aruba also has problems with drugs ans other stuff, but lets face it where people live crime happens. But I feel always very relaxed and save when I am in Aruba. But if you travel or if your in your home town you shoukd always use your common sense and stay alert, because there is not one place on earth that is totally save and without crime. About Natalee s case I would like say that I feel very sorry that this happened and I can’t get it out of my head when we were in Aruba we also searhed for her. I feel very sorry for her family and friends.

    96. dutchie on June 22nd, 2005 6:13 am

      Concerned, what you are saying is totally not true. So nothing ever happens in your hometown.? There is no crime in the US? Come on. I can assure you that Aruba is saver than a lot of places in the US. What happened to Natalee is horrible but it could have happend anywhere. And believe me as I sayd earlier i just came back from Aruba and they are working very hard on this case, the whole Island is, locals, tourist, police force everybody. Helicopters are flying doing search night and day. People are searching 24 hours a day

    97. TJW on June 22nd, 2005 6:31 am

      Hi Dutchie! I have to agree with Concerned on the issue of staying within the United States as far as students traveling. I have been a chaperone on many overnight high school trips within the United States. I have also chaperoned many day trips. We have also canceled many of those day trips (Washington, D.C., New York) because of elevated alert levels after 911. Yet, at the same time, you are correct that we must be careful wherever we are. There is so much crime in the United States that I tell my daughter do not stop for gas, fast food, etc. if she is out at night and I always make her call me when she reaches her destination and she is to call me before she leaves to drive home. I believe I need a “timeline” in case she would have a flat tire, cell phone not working, etc. so that I would know where to go. I always make sure I know exactly where she is, the address, the phone number, the parents, etc. Thank God, she understands this and doesn’t mind having to call (as some teenagers would – I know I was not the most responsible teenager myself). There is a very fine line nowadays as we want our kids to experience all that the world has to offer and not live their lives in fear of doing so but at the same time we want to make sure that they realize all the “bad things” that can happen in a moment’s decision.

    98. Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 7:39 am


      Thank you for your insight. You said it all in one piece. Good job.

    99. Newslurker on June 22nd, 2005 7:39 am


      Fyi: the full interview with Elio Nicolaas (former policemanin Aruba)

      Missing in Aruba (3) — lie detector

      MY NAME IS Elio Nicolaas and I am a resident of Aruba. I am a retired policeman, having served with the police department for more than 21 years. I believe that I can say that I have more than average knowledge in police management and practical experience in investigation and interrogation techniques.

      I already had my doubts about the (possible) real story behind the disappearance of Natalee Holloway after 3 or 4 days of such being reported in the media. The doubts ebbed away a little after the arrest of the two security guards. Hearing the (possible) alibi of one of these guards, I told many around me that they would be freed within 2 or 3 days. This did not happen and I have my personal thoughts about this. The arrest of the 3 ‘original suspects’ who were labelled ‘witnesses’ at first, while the two security guards were still detained, further broadened my doubts about this whole nightmare for Aruba and its people. There are still a lot of questions to be answered, irrespective the fate of Natalee Holloway and it might well be that these three suspects will turn out to be (unwilling?) witnesses after all. I believe that Natalee is alive and possibly (still) in Aruba. My heart goes out to her family and I hope that I am right. If not — God spare — I hope that the family will understand that everything should be done to find her. That is the main objective at the moment.

      Too many rumours have been going around since the first week of the disappearance of Natalee and I believe it is time that everybody who is connected some way or the other to Natalee, should be interviewed in a serious manner. These rumours must be verified. To do this, there is no better way than by using the polygraph. Admittedly, even in the US, only a dozen or so states accept the polygraph as evidence in its courts of law. However, most states permit the use of the polygraph (lie detector) as a very powerful investigative tool. I believe that the persons close to Natalee can be interviewed in Aruba by a (accredited) FBI polygraphist, who will evaluate this, and the results (charts) should also be given to a private polygraphist in the US engaged by the Government of Aruba for evaluation.

      This procedure would have been very common in the US, and it is a pity that no one has even mentioned this possibility. Some local media may feel intimidated to publish this point of view that I am suggesting, but I believe that all concerned will be well served by it.


      BTW did anybody see the e-mail posted by Wonder Woman that she says is from Deepak?

      If you did not, here is the link:

    100. dutchie on June 22nd, 2005 7:56 am

      Thank you for your comment TJW. I agree with you that bad things can happen in a moments decision and very good that your daughter calls you when she reaches her destistination. For me and my loved ones this als works very well. But still it isn’t clear to me why you agree on the fact that it’s better not to travel to Aruba. But even if they do this there will still be people like Natalee how make a wrong decision and get in the car with 3 guys she doesn’t really know. And I say this will all respect but she did make a wrong decision. It’s very hard to prevent people from doing this.
      For the record around the hotels and the clubs there are a lot of security people day and night so that save, but this savety ends ofcourse if you get in a car with strangers who take you to the quite places on the island. And ofcourse making a bad decision shouldn’t mean that you disappear, don’t get me wrong the people who are responsible for this crime are very very bad and should be serverely punished. I still hope that Natalee will come back alive. But to be honest I think that she is dead.

    101. W. Brown on June 22nd, 2005 7:59 am

      Man, I hope someone is preserving all evidence collected- hopefully a trusted 3rd party (i.e. FBI), b/c if there were any mistakes made by Aruban Police- watch out for evidence tampering, mysteriously disappearing. Esp. if tourism board or whoever else with influence decides to go route of “accidental drowning.”
      Quite frankly, I feel Natalee to be alive, but needing to be rescued.

      I guess new story is that the young Van der Sloot “snuck out” to go to CC’s. Parent’s said it was “against their rules”. What rules? Dad teaches him how to gamble, gives him own apartment- don’t seem like the overprotective type. Dad seemed quite nervous. Furthermore, seems difficult for Van der Sloot to have “snuck out”- large gated property with at least two dogs. If he planned on going “clubbing” was probably dressed and smelling “fine”- wouldn’t want to be crawling over/under walls. Other choice, tip-toed to front gate and asked all family dogs to please not bark.

      If father knows something, would that make him an accessory/co-conspirator? Could the good Judge be facing some time locked up with a bunch of his buddies he sentenced there. Mom too, one of her hobbies is collecting masks??? (symbolism?)

      Where is Natalee-focus and pray and do whatever it takes. Never give up!!!

    102. W. Brown on June 22nd, 2005 8:03 am

      To all the good people of Aruba thank you for your help- we all live under the same Sun.

    103. Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 8:07 am

      And may the Sun shone the Light on us all, even though some of us do not open our eyes…

    104. Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 8:09 am

      Dutchie, thanks for your words. You seem to understand the situation pretty well. Funny how we are all programmed by the fairy tales of the princess in the tower of the catle, awaiting rescue by the prince… But in this case I believe that to be reality also. Since we have no facts we have to rely on our beliefs, whether or not they are induced by the Anderson’s.

    105. on June 22nd, 2005 8:13 am

      The Americans will grow tired of this story and then Aruba will get back to normal, The spoiled Americans will come to Aruba again and through their money around as allways HA HA

    106. Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 8:19 am

      CRS, let me know when you are here.

    107. rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 8:30 am

      I think Paulus VDS is brilliant. He just opened his house up to the victim’s mother
      for comfort, whether he or his son is guilty or not, he just improved his position in this
      case ten fold. Unless all of this interview action is staged for a reason.

    108. Nicole on June 22nd, 2005 8:30 am


      Are you an Aruban local? Do you have any inside connections to the island/boys? How can one say something like: these “boyz” are innocent, and she is alive, but not in Aruba?….without giving any detail. Is that just your gut feeling?

    109. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 8:31 am

      did anyone else feel ripped off last night becuase they didn’t let the cameras in the house?

      and i was not impressed with the van der sloot home. for all the talk i had heard about how well off they were and joran having his own apartment next to the house….that’s just not what i expected.

      i think beth got what she wanted from them. she wasn’t running out of the house furious, and she hugged joran’s mom and let her kiss her on the cheek. that was promising.

    110. Newhere on June 22nd, 2005 8:31 am

      Hi, i’m posting for the first time. i live in holland and live on the neigbouring island curacao. I’ve visisted aruba often and C&C which is not sleezy. (have to say the contests are though and usually the americans gone wild teens and a local girl will participate , she’ll never go to far cuz she lives there and has a reputation to keep up, but the american girls don’t need too.Anybody doubting me or just think it was just that one time i went there that this scene occured. i’ve been going there everytime for 6 years when i went to aruba for vacationing) I’m just amazed by all the assumptions people make on this website, concerning the legal system, which is by all means not perfect, but certainly is not worse than the us, maybe slower but they do get all their facts right. And as for saying that joran is scum.. blah blah,,, hmmm i do believe that this guy know’s something but i don’t think if he killed her.. i do think she ODed and they got in a panick. As for painting natalee as angel…hmmm don’t think so. No way she’s angel. I heard she been a troubled teen, and someone that leaves a with guys she barely knew while she’s on vacation… well that says enough…. I hope people stop trying to potray here as angel… My best to both family’s some people seem to forget that these are persons who also have family’s. I hope she’s alive and if not hopefully they’ll get the bottom of this very soon.. closure is needed.

    111. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 8:35 am

      newhere-i don’t think anyone actually sees natalee as an angel. she’s just someone who put herself in a bad situation that she normally wouldn’t have done.
      joran being called scum comes from people who actually have come in contact with him. not americans thousands of miles away.

      i do appreciate you coming on here. we need more arubans with actual knowledge of what is really going on there. since we get very little actual news on the case, we spend more time speculating.

    112. bee bee on June 22nd, 2005 8:38 am

      they need to investigate every drug provider on the island and they need the dutch version of the sas to do it!

      If I were in the fbi I would consider the following:
      The Marriott has surveillance cameras or the hotels in front of the beach were Mrs. Holloway was allegedly dropped of or question the people in that area.
      Also the locate anyone with pictures of the waterfront in the area around that park: both land and sea so we can see what boats (sailing boat single mast types or cabin cruiser with windows that slant horizontal) are there. In addition, which ones may have left?
      The worse thing I can see from all this that the Judge picks his son up that night and the Judge now knows she is missing and if he tell the wrong people she maybe vanishing to protect “the power that be”
      It is a waiting game for us on the outside of the process. However, this could be even bigger that all of us think.
      Hoping for the best.

      These so called psychics: see her near water and in a dark place.
      Question what do aruban’s do to protect themselves from hurricanes do they have shelters do these houses in Aruba have root sellers with a lids. If so interesting place to hid someone.

    113. Phil on June 22nd, 2005 8:45 am

      American are not caught up in the crime but the investigation…

      Aruba appears to have arrested two poorer minorities with no really evidence and let the rich with kid go free. Than they try to cover with “tactical” reasons – BS!!!

      Aruba has told the Americans “we do not need you help”

      I have heard several Arubans attempt to suggest NH just left or overdosed or it was just her fault “because we just do not have crime here”. Please!!!

      Finally, enough about the justice system…we get it…but even before building a case…find NH.

      The only smart PR move in all of this was Joran’s dad inviting Beth and Greta into his home. Guilty or innocent this made the world think “he is not a total jerk”.

      To make this story worst we have the St Natalee kids from Mt Brook acting like sex, drinking and hanging out in casinos, getting pick up in a bar, was something Natalee never did except for this one time in Aruba.

      I by the way am one of the richest man in the world and really good looking to boot. I run twenty miles a week…have a woman begging to be with me and….

      The point is some honestly would go a long way in this case…from Aruba to Mt Brook. That why we all love NH’s mom…she has been the only honest open person in this case.

    114. Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 8:47 am

      I watched greta last evening and saw her and Natalee’s Mother go to the Van Der Sloop’s home…I have to admit, I have a different opinion of the Van Der Sloops, the Mother and Father that is…They didn’t have to let them in and who would have thought that they would?A 90 minute visit…I’m sure Beth Holloway came away with the same opinion of their son..but, they did the right thing to let her come and express herself…If the Dad picked his kid up at Mc Donalds at 11…who dropped the kid off there? Why was he there and who with? When he snuck out later, where did he go and how did he get back home?Nothing makes sense…why are the Boys changing their stories? I believe the orginal version..The Light House.I think they all took part in a crime..if they have evidence to keep holding them ,and they must because 4 are still being held ,then I would say all 4 participated in some way…In the begining didn’t we hear that one of the boys said” Something Bad happened”? Was that a rumor? I can’t remember..but, I think something bad did happen…Natalee died.How she died and where is she ,is the Mystery, but its pretty obvious who is responsible for her disappearance.

    115. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 8:48 am

      not only did the dad pick him up at eleven, but then he snuck back out. that’s from the dad. but he doesn’t know when he snuck out or when he came back home. he doesn’t even remember taking him to school the next day.

    116. Big Pappy on June 22nd, 2005 8:56 am

      Checkme Says: The airing tonite confirms the fact the boyz did not commit a crime

      CHECKME, several people asking but no response, why the above comment? What airing confirms this? Why do you state she is alive yet again but provide not even a tidbit to corroborate?

    117. fashionqueen on June 22nd, 2005 8:57 am


      Just a question…What is your obsession with CRS…Just a question? I have been noticing that you’ve been looking for him on several boards???

    118. KatCall on June 22nd, 2005 8:58 am

      Newhere- you said you were amazed about people speculating and THERE YOU ARE DOING THE SAME THING!

    119. Newhere on June 22nd, 2005 8:59 am

      I just saw that i wrote that i live in holland and i live in curacao… I grew up in in curacao but now i live and study in holland.

      As for as theory’s. I find it quite interesting that both family’s met with each other. I don’t think the vdSloot would’ve talked to twitty if they knew what their son did or did not do,hink so i really don’t think the dad knows what happened.

      I have only heard two rumors, that might add to a theory.. i heard that they did find marihuana i her room, and that she has a life insurance of 2,8 millon… really don’t knowwhat to make of them as i said rumors.. and as far as i can tell a lot of rumors are going aruond.. rumors that are just rumors.

    120. Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 9:01 am

      Well, maybe Van der Sloop can’t remember because he lost everything himself…A son who had a promising future and flushed it all down the toilet , his own career down the toilet because of this..quite a shock to anyone, I’m sure.

    121. rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 9:04 am

      I don’t see anyone in their right mind “legal mind” letting Beth go to that house and possibly jepeordize the case. It’s almost like “Reality TV” with a possible homicide as the subject line.

    122. Newhere on June 22nd, 2005 9:04 am

      i never wrote speculating, i wrote making asumptions. two different things.. speculate all you want, i do, i was just concerned about the assumptions.

    123. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 9:06 am

      i didn’t hear the marijuana thing. that’s new.

      fashionqueen: i think checkme feels that crs can see in to his soul. crs understands him.

    124. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 9:07 am

      rem: the fact that beth can’t say what they discussed shows that they are not jeopardizing the case. if she came straight out spilling everthing the sloots said, that would have been different.

    125. Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 9:08 am

      rem….I really have to agree with you there…Greta, being an attorney herself should have known better and advised Beth ..but, Mrs Twitty has a mind of her own and is determined,so I doubt anything ,anyone would have said would have stopped her…

    126. crs on June 22nd, 2005 9:12 am

      I got to say – I saw this last night on fox and I thought for a second I was watching PUNK’D – between Beth yelling over the fence HEELLOO – HEELLOOO – Greta yelling – I see you there in the bushes and Papa VanDerSloot hiding in the bushes and then shuffling over like he had a poop in his pants – it was actually pretty hillarious!!

    127. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 9:13 am

      i think greta made i possible. she said she asked beth what is the one thing you want to do today, and she said talk to his parents. so greta put it together. i don’t think they were just driving around and decided.

    128. crs on June 22nd, 2005 9:14 am

      Checkme – I just got in and I am trying to go back now and read your posts.

    129. Mari Huana Holland on June 22nd, 2005 9:14 am

      Maybe I have an good idea to solve this difficult problem: FUCK OFF YOU TO YOUR US OF ASSHOLES!!!
      And leave the rest of the world as it is and nobody will harm you anymore ecxept your own people!! (how many people get killed everyday in USA?? and do you also make such a big thing out of it?? NO!!!)
      You act like you live in the freeworld but in the meanwhile you want to rule the world with your stupid ideas and sue your neighbour when his cat is pissing on your lawn.

      If you really want to live in a free world start to accept that we want to live our way and that wll amke that you also can live in a free world

      Bye bye

      Greetingd from Holland

    130. Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 9:16 am

      Well, Greta did yak about Dad Van Der Sloot and the time he picked his son up etc…things we didn’t know ….The Mother wasn’t even home, she was in Holland ..As I said..I’m glad Beth was allowed in and she could converse with the Van Der Sloots..

    131. crs on June 22nd, 2005 9:17 am

      mari – jimminy christmas settle down – its too early for that.

    132. rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 9:18 am

      Mari – Your going to get an ulcer

    133. VANESSA on June 22nd, 2005 9:19 am

      I must ask; if you bought a bushel of apples and four of the apples were bad, would you throw the entire bushel away? Then why is everyone so quick to “boycott Aruba”? Do you think people from Aruba feel all warm and fuzzy about taking a trip to Disney World, with all the child molesters in Florida? Come on people……..give the Arubian authorities the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. Don’t be so quick to judge an entire island based on four guys.

    134. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 9:19 am

      yeah, vander sloot did look pretty goofy coming around the bushes. ‘i just want to give you a prayer card’…i’m pretty sure he thought he was getting served with papers again.

      yes we take murders this seriously in the u.s. especially when it looks like there is way more behind this than some accident among teens.

    135. Mari Huana Holland on June 22nd, 2005 9:20 am

      It’s not what I get but what the world gets!!

      I realize that there are more people walking around on mother earth than me alone!!

    136. crs on June 22nd, 2005 9:21 am

      Vanessa – totally agree – I think everyone feels terrible about NH but to make judgements about the entire island is ignorant. pktbk – I bet your right, he was probably thinking here we go again.

    137. crs on June 22nd, 2005 9:23 am

      I hope John Mason takes part of the half million he has made and starts going to a stylist – he is 35 and still momma is putting a bowl on top of that head.

    138. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 9:25 am

      Mari Huana….you smokin’ that wacky weed this early in the mornin??? Sheesh!!

    139. Leap of Faith on June 22nd, 2005 9:26 am

      This entire case is enough to make the strongest person weak to their stomach. I can only imagine the frustration that Beth must be going through. I do not think I could have kept my cool when aproaching those three boys like she did. I must agree that it is a little shadey that someone who is claiming to be innocent won’t speak in order to prove his innocense. I am perplexed as to why his father, a judge, would tell him to keep his mouth shut, if in fact the boy is innocent like they all claim. I mean being a judge he must know that these things do not just go away, and that the only way to get his son out of jail would be for Joran to cooperate and tell the police all that he knows.
      For the family’s sake I truely hope that Natalee is alive. It is obvious that her mother is truely heart broken. As for the whole idea that she “ran away”, I think that if that were the case, someone would have some inclination of the “idea” to proceed with such a scheme. She would have told someone, she is an 18 y/o girl, and they tend to talk to all their close friends about things like that.
      My next thought comes back to Mrs. Van der Sloot. How proud she must be to tell the world that her “sweet” son left a defenseless young woman on a beach alone in a foreign country to fend for herself. I mean that whole idea right there just makes Joran look even more stupid than he already has shown. If this is true, than that should show what an ass this kid really is. That is just a sick-o response that makes them all look just that much more shady. I am not buying it one bit.
      Security guards, who they let go, screamed of their innocense and did everything possible to get people to see that, offering to help in any way possible, and not keeping their mouths shut. You would think that if these 3 boys were innocent they would be doing the same thing.

    140. KatCall on June 22nd, 2005 9:26 am

      Mari Huana Holland:

      Go pick some tulips and get off the board! US citizens don’t like when one of their own come up missing in a foreign land!

    141. crs on June 22nd, 2005 9:27 am

      Was anyone else a little put off by the two new teens talking about NH last night? If those really were her two best friends I am a little concerned.

    142. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 9:27 am

      crs: I didn’t get to see any TV last night :( ..can you elaborate?

    143. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 9:28 am

      vanessa…i don’t think we are bashing the whole island as much as we are venting frustrations with the lack of info we get. like it’s been said before, we are so used to getting minute by minute updates in america, we don’t have the patience to deal with the aruban way of doing things.

      that aruban lawyer they had on last night even had tight lips. the lawsuit the twitty’s are filing is useless, they can’t talk about anything. we just aren’t used to that.

      i think only scaredshitless fashionqueen and a few others actually want to boycott.

    144. crs on June 22nd, 2005 9:29 am

      LEAP – I did not read too much into the elder sloot telling him to shut up – he was probably at school saying “I saw her last night -trying to be cool” – the elder sloot was smart to tell him to shut his mouth.

    145. crs on June 22nd, 2005 9:31 am

      MOM – Greta had “her two best friends on last night” and the main thing I took away was if these were her best friends I was a little offended that they did not check on her before they left C&C one and two, they did not do more the next morning. I am by no means blameing these kids but if they truly were her “best friends” as described i was somewhat offended.

    146. crs on June 22nd, 2005 9:32 am

      MOM – Also if you did not see Greta and Beth go to the Van Der Sloots you must find the video online or try and catch it on tv today.

    147. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 9:32 am

      Those two friends last night were like Stepford Friends. They were really hesitant (coached) to say anything.

    148. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 9:33 am

      I agree, crs!!! What the hell kind of friends is that??? The whole ‘friend’ thing pisses me off.

      This is posted on CNN:
      The team from Texas EquuSearch has also had issues with getting permission for their three search dogs to travel to the Caribbean island, according to Tim Miller, director and founder of the group. However, Miller said he had a conversation with Aruba’s prime minister, who has green-lighted the trip for Friday.

      More hurdles, obviously. It just keeps assuring me that Aruba doesn’t WANT help from the US….Sheesh!

    149. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 9:33 am

      “If we were there we would NEVER have let her go.” Hindsight is 20/20.

    150. cancon on June 22nd, 2005 9:34 am

      exactly CRS, this has been bothering ever since supposed friends have come forward

      the first two girls the networks were using were clearly not close friends of Natalee, the one let it slip

      these two girls on Fox last night are supposedly her best friends, now the one girl left early but the other girl was part of the crowd that stayed until closing along with Natalee and she didn’t see Natalee get in any car, and they say no one saw Natalee get into any car which clearly contradicts what other classmates have said

      what kind of girl friend doesn’t make sure their best friend is getting home OK at closing, unless she was so blitzed out of her head she couldn’t remember and doesn’t want to admit to that fact on national TV

      she was also very defensive about talking about C & C’s, oh just a place we would hang out at night, honey you guys weren’t just hanging out you were partying hardy

    151. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 9:34 am

      p.s. THANK YOU, crs!! :)

    152. crs on June 22nd, 2005 9:34 am

      Trisher – I was not impressed with them at all – maybe I am being harsh but for “best friends” I expected more.

    153. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 9:34 am

      sorry folks…gotta catch a meeting…will check back later!

    154. Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 9:35 am

      Holland……Maybe Holland can start supporting ARUBA instead of the American Tourists…You want to be FREE of us…its OK by me…if you bothered to read this board most people don’t blame the people of Aruba..IT’S the botching of this case …letting the three skate for ten days and arresting two innocent black men…thats when things got Shady in HOT ARUBA

    155. crs on June 22nd, 2005 9:36 am

      Cancon – I agree and why did the first girl leave early – was she drunk – hooking – what exactly – I was disappointed is the last thing I will say – I don’t want to make this about the friends.

    156. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 9:36 am

      crs – I think they are scared and drained. And coached
      I mean, chances are very good they were all “tipsy.” Even a best friend, when “tipsy” can’t have the right mindset to take care of others like she should. Drinking is bad bad bad- but there’s no making it go away.

    157. Leap of Faith on June 22nd, 2005 9:36 am

      CRS- I can agree that the father would be concerned enough to say “Shut up” when bragging at school, but if that was all that he meant then Joran would be helping the police how ever he could. That statement was’nt one said to get your misbehaving kid to settle down as if he was screaming in the grocery store, it was said because he did not want his son slipping up and saying something incrimminating. The dad might not know what all went down, but I am sure that his intuition, if nothing else, is telling him something is way wrong.

    158. fashionqueen on June 22nd, 2005 9:40 am


      I absolutely do not want to boycott Aruba..I think it is very silly to judge a whole island based on the fact that there polis officials are incompetent…The only thing that I wish at this point, which will probably never happen, is for the polis to fall back and let the FBI and these other teams of searchers try it their way….

    159. crs on June 22nd, 2005 9:41 am

      Leap – you may be right but I tend to believe Sr.Sloot that he was just trying to keep his son from saying something that could later be misconstrued. Let’s be honest – 17 yr. olds do not necessarily have a very good filter on what to say.

      Trisher – I agree with you but if those were truly the “best friends” – that kind of makes me sad but that said they may be the best kids in the world – I don’t know them – and I basing my reaction only on a ten minute interview.

    160. crs on June 22nd, 2005 9:42 am

      pktbk – i think you were thinking of leopard.

    161. crs on June 22nd, 2005 9:43 am

      Did Checkme have anything else interesting to say yesterday other than the theory on the kidnapping and NH being on another island?

    162. dawn on June 22nd, 2005 9:43 am

      Who seems to be the childish one. I stated my opinion, I did not personally attack anyone. I think Joran has something to do with this. I might be mistaken but isn’t this blog for people who want to share their thoughts.

    163. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 9:45 am

      crs–LMAO! sorry i got my queens confused! :D

      i didn’t get to see the best friends, but i will agree that if you are wasted you can’t keep up with yourself, let alone anyone else. who exactly was it that said they saw natalee get in a car with some boys? if you are inside a club or in a huddle of people, it is kind of hard to be noticing who’s leaving with who.

    164. Big Pappy on June 22nd, 2005 9:46 am

      Stepford friends, yes! Really, they were so clearly coached on what to say and completely glazed over.

    165. Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 9:46 am

      Natalee’s friends..The one on the right I thought was most likely a level headed one and decided to call it a night since they had to leave Aruba the next day….The gal on the left I felt knew more, but wasn’t going to say what she knew..just her facial expressions and demeanor I’m taking about…also, the one on the right said that Natalee met young Van Der Sloot for the first time that fateful night..that isn’t what we had read before…interesting, if true…

    166. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 9:47 am

      crs – Checkme was looking for you all afternoon and wanted to know how you read him so well.
      Right on with your comment about daddy and his son. 17-year olds tend to be impulsive and naive and say things that we wish they hadn’t. As we can see from just this board, one statement can be taken to mean many different things to different people.

    167. Leap of Faith on June 22nd, 2005 9:48 am

      The two friends of Natalee are young, just like Natalee. The last thing they want to do on national television is admit they were drinking heavily and partying hard while at C&C’s. The lack of concern is disturbing, but at the same time they are young kids, drinking heavily, and they do not think as adults would. They think about how it all feels in the moment and what they want right then and there. The last thing on any of those kids minds was watching out for one another. I am not saying they are bad kids in any way, I am simply saying that all of us, many of us adults, cannot judge them on the basis of something that we would have done. Yes we would have used better judgement and would have been watching out for a friend, but that is coming from adults who have had experiences and have learned to take care of each other. Kids have no inhibitions and tend to think the world is one giant bubble of fun. Do not blame the kids for being naive.

    168. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 9:49 am

      I don’t read people well at first sight. I’m not sure about the best friends. The only thing I believe is that they know way more than they can tell.

    169. bob on June 22nd, 2005 9:50 am

      supported by US tourism?
      You act like it is some requirement that your country gives money to Aruba. If yuo don’t want to vaacation there, don’t.. But don’t act like this is some huge obligation and charity you are fulfilling..

      oh and he tatoo has been for sale for longer than this has been happening, just a note for anyone.. if you search the alst month, it doesnt come up, but if you search from 2 months ago.. it does..

    170. Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 9:51 am

      The friend on the right left an hour before closing she said…, she didn’t “SEE” anything…the one on the left stayed until closing…

    171. crs on June 22nd, 2005 9:51 am

      Leap – good point on the girls – I think right now Joran should be given that latitude as well as far as not blameing kids for being naive – I think that is what Sr. Sloot was trying to avoid in telling him to shut up – Joran is naive and had no idea what he was in for in terms in the police and the media onslaught.

    172. crs on June 22nd, 2005 9:53 am

      Does everyone agree that Greta has pulled ahead of everyone now in terms of coverage?

    173. Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 9:54 am

      Bob…Holland came on here and was very rude, using FOUL language…I believe Aruba exists on Tourist Trade…enlighten me if I’m not correct and I’ll certainly apologize…

    174. Phil on June 22nd, 2005 9:55 am

      Everyone in this case knows more tahn they are saying except Beth Hollaway…time for everyone to be honest…

      Maybe evryone should be required to take a lie-detector test before they can be on TV…O’Reilly may have thought the no-spin zone was clever but now he realizes he cannot find a honest guess. Let hear again how great the chaperones or was it “travel assistant” were on the trip.

    175. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 9:55 am

      greta is definitely more hands on in this thing. just going down there to tell the news with aruba as a backdrop, doesn’t mean you are covering the case. she’s a step ahead.

    176. dawn on June 22nd, 2005 9:55 am

      There seems to be a lot of rude people on here! People who think their opinion is the only right opinion. And everyone else is wrong.

    177. Phil on June 22nd, 2005 9:56 am

      CRS…Greta has gained the trust of Beth Hollaway…the only honest person on TV so far in this case.

      This has put Greta close to the only person talking.

    178. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 9:57 am

      Welcome to the real world dawn.

    179. Mark 2 on June 22nd, 2005 10:14 am

      To Mari Huana Holland – Well, you really represent your country well -NOT!

      I don’t want to get into a pissing contest with you, but your attitude and language and the Aruban authorities trying to blame Natalee or suggest that she ran away is exactly why we are very annoyed.

      I think you idea of us “f__king” off is a good one. It would be interesting to see how well Aruba’s economy does when we do.

      Also, I guarantee that if a dutch girl disappeared in the U.S. and the police let the suspects go for 10 days and acted as incompetent as the police seem to be, you would be hollering louder than we have been

      You people just can’t understand that although we do have crime in the U.S., the average American values life and even though many of us don’t know Natalee, she is a human being and we are concerned for her. All for one and one for all. I won’t apologize for that.

    180. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 10:15 am

      are they flying the horses in from texas? how well do horses travel?

    181. crs on June 22nd, 2005 10:16 am

      I hope when NH is found that she gets to take a look at all of the footage and see how great that mom of hers is.

    182. fashionqueen on June 22nd, 2005 10:16 am

      CRS: Thanks for clarifying!

      Pktbk: It’s okay…I believe leopardqueen is 73 and still wears leopard…I on the other hand am 28 and my profession: Fashion Stylist…SMOOCHES!

    183. bob on June 22nd, 2005 10:17 am

      yes it does exist on tourist trade(though other countries go as well, not just the US) but that’s the tourists choice.. I’ve seen many posters act like they are doing some great charity, or giving up so much by giving their dollars to Aruba.. They’re going on a beach vacation, not donating money…

      JMO.. and I agree that the original poster was extremely rude(the one from holland)

    184. fashionqueen on June 22nd, 2005 10:22 am

      Well said Mark 2!

    185. mike 1 on June 22nd, 2005 10:22 am

      CNN reports Equusearh Tx has to delay Aruba trip until Friday. They are having difficulty getting permission for their three dogs….what a friendly island

    186. Phil on June 22nd, 2005 10:24 am

      I was disappointed at the two travel agents on OReilly saying this would not impact Aruba…it should. It should wake parents up who spend money on these trips for their kids and we need to understand the Dutch hate Americans (as most of Europe).

      Vacation America.

    187. VANESSA on June 22nd, 2005 10:24 am

      pktbk: horses travel quite well……..

    188. KatCall on June 22nd, 2005 10:24 am


      EquuSearch is renting water vessels, bringing in their own sideways Sonar for underwater images and leasing horses from Aruba or having them sent from Miami. The search team is made up of retired and active duty law enforcement officers. The issue at hand as of yesterday was about bringing in their own search dogs however, the prime minister of Aruba has given them the green light to bring in the US dogs by this Friday. Yet again, another hurry up-but wait situation!

    189. SuperG on June 22nd, 2005 10:25 am

      Every day more than 30 americans are killed by gunfire in the US (and five more in Iraq not to forget). Why don’t CNN and Fox have a daily topic on that?

    190. crs on June 22nd, 2005 10:26 am

      Couldn’t tell you SuperG.

    191. observer on June 22nd, 2005 10:29 am

      CRS, where has your friend Checkme been? Why has there not been a legitimiate response from any of the locals regarding their feeling that NH is alive, maybe on some other island, and that the 3 boys did not physically harm her?

      Also, is there any truth to the rumor yesterday that the younger Kalpoe brother and the Croes DJ will be released later this week?

      Has Joran been moved to the prison? I hear he was still in city jail last night. If the authorities still thought he was innocent, they would keep him in city jail, or release him as a witness on bail.

    192. SuperG on June 22nd, 2005 10:29 am

      Are dogs allowed to travel more easy to the united states then?

    193. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 10:30 am

      superg….our local news recounts every day the casualties as well as triumphs on the war in iraq. also they give run downs on most crimes in our city. from robberies to child predators. it’s out there, some news people just wait until after nine to show that stuff.

      thanks kat and vanessa on the equu info. what’s wrong with dogs coming in? if you have shot records, you can fax those. hmmm.
      i was also wondering what side radars were. i was thinking they hung it on the horses as they walked along. covering more space than people walking. duh! lol

    194. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 10:31 am

      Observer…I’m not so sure they have bail there.

    195. DUTCH on June 22nd, 2005 10:31 am

      I recently read somewhere that 2 african-american tourists where shot in the head in St.Thomas. Why isn’t CNN reporting this?

      and for FOX’S Greta van Susteren: Please Go rub the REDNESS OF YOUR NECK. You are making this a freaking Reality Show.

    196. KatCall on June 22nd, 2005 10:32 am


      Local news networks ALWAYS report killings by gunfire or any other weapon. It’s overwhelming how much news cities receive each day about another killing however, NH’s case in Aruba is really bothersome due to Aruban laws, the delay in making an arrest Joran, Satish, Deepak and Stephen and their constant lies. Also, you see NH’s mom with her strong and determined attitude to find her daughter. This gets to the hearts of americans!

    197. crs on June 22nd, 2005 10:32 am

      Could not tell you on Checkme, hopefully he pops up because quite honestly i put more weight on what he says than the MSM. I think it is logical that they would not say anything if they suspected this scenerio so as to provide an opportunity to locate her without the kidnappers knowing. CNN is shown around the world.

    198. KatCall on June 22nd, 2005 10:33 am


      The US is more apt to allow dogs traveling in the US versus them going out. Maybe there is a reason for this delay for the dogs to come to Aruba. Maybe some Dutch law yet again hindering progress!

    199. crs on June 22nd, 2005 10:34 am

      The news shows what people want to see and people want to see about NH. News is business just like any other.

    200. Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 10:35 am

      SuperG..I think the War is covered pretty good…makes me sick though to hear it and read about Our Brave Men and Women that are over in that godforsaken country…Can you tell I support OUR TROOPS but not the war?? Talk about a Country that hates us…sheeesh…

    201. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 10:35 am

      i think like greta said, this case is so unusual, that’s why she’s there and that’s why we are so involved. compared to the every day shootings that go on, there’s not enough hours in the day to cover them. unless you watch cops on saturday, then you can see that they usually solve those or at least show the leads they have. i love cops…bad boys bad boys…whatcha gonna do?

    202. fashionqueen on June 22nd, 2005 10:35 am

      This is exactly what I don’t understand! Why are they making it so difficult for us to come and help find Natalee??!!! Really! I’m seriously starting to believe that they have something to hide….

    203. stink amerikanen on June 22nd, 2005 10:36 am

      yeah isn’t it horrible…how dare they not use AMERICAN LAWS ON DUTCH TERRITORY!

    204. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 10:37 am

      snippy…that’s true. with the bad press america gets…it’s no wonder we are so hated. most other countries only know of americans by what is shown on tv. like our sitcoms and celebrities. i myself don’t feel comfortable having michael jackson or courtney love as my country’s representatives.

    205. cancon on June 22nd, 2005 10:37 am

      be thankful you aren’t going to Australia all animals imported into the country must be quarantined for 30 days

      it is simple, they don’t want animals bringing in new diseases, they practically fumigate the plane as you are leaving

      Hawaii too is very strict about that sort of thing……..

    206. SuperG on June 22nd, 2005 10:37 am

      Perhaps your local news does. But do they track each incident for weeks as well – on a daily basis?
      BTW: triumphs in Iraq?

      No, they don’t. But they can deny travelling out of the country

    207. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 10:37 am

      Why would a volunteer search team come to Aruba to search for Natalee, if “supossedly” she is in another country. C’mon, do you guys really believe this?

    208. G on June 22nd, 2005 10:37 am

      These guys are comming from Texas and the only direct flight is with Continental. I was personally informed by continental that they do not transport dogs on this route, period. I tried transporting a Labrador from Houston to Aruba and that’s the answer I got. Also, the FAA has new reulations in place that prohibit any airlines from transporting dogs when the air temerature at the destination is above 85 degrees, which is always the case in Aruba in the summer months. All this plus the local lwas requiring certian health certificates, etc. So, if these guys are bringing dogs, a lot of exceptions will have to be made by Continental and by the FAA.

    209. jburnham on June 22nd, 2005 10:39 am

      Pretty soon they also will not use AMERICAN DOLLARS on Dutch Territory either.

    210. cancon on June 22nd, 2005 10:39 am

      so Snippy do you support the soldiers that support the war or do you hate the soldiers that support the war

    211. fashionqueen on June 22nd, 2005 10:40 am

      But isn’t this scenario justified enough where those exceptions should be made?

    212. cancon on June 22nd, 2005 10:40 am

      about Joran sneaking out, didn’t he have an exam the next day? that might explain it, perhaps even the Vander Sloots had some limits though clearly not enough

    213. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 10:40 am

      crs – YES, you are right. when you work in television, it’s all about the ratings!!!!!!

    214. Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 10:40 am

      Stink…Well, you do make a good point..but, why can’t we aid in assisting you since this is an American girl missing in Aruba?Find the girl, everyone wins, except for the victim and the families on both sides..

    215. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 10:41 am

      superg-incidents that aren’t your average attack are on followed up on. like i said, there aren’t enough hours in a day. but if there is something odd about the case or intriguing, the news is going to be all over it. that’s their job. to inform the public about what is going on in their world.

    216. KatCall on June 22nd, 2005 10:41 am


      Sideways Sonar in an underwater imaging unit that provides more clarity when searching underwater. Sonar was also used to find JFK, Jr, his wife and sister when their plane crashed a few years ago off of Martha’s Vineyard. It works very well. By the way…You probably can tell I also grew up in a huge Navy family.

    217. MR on June 22nd, 2005 10:41 am

      Aruba has just other laws, you can’t change them
      I’m sure the police will find out what really happened

    218. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 10:42 am

      pktbk – “most other countries only know of americans by what is shown on tv”
      Probably soo true, and that is how we are largely judging what we see and hear from Aruba these days.

    219. G on June 22nd, 2005 10:42 am

      It should be, but it might create some delays.

    220. crs on June 22nd, 2005 10:43 am

      Jake – I agree it is a long shot but I don’t necessarily believe anything else I hear at this point either.

    221. G on June 22nd, 2005 10:43 am

      It should be, but it might create some delays.

    222. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 10:44 am

      The President on May 31st. mentioned it at a press conference. He spoke about people voting for the first time. People are starting to get on the “bandwagon” and tending to agree that “freedom” is on the march.

      found that on a palestinian website….and i do know that that is small compared to lives lost. both military and civilian, but it’s something.

    223. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 10:44 am

      Do any of you think that Joran confessed to his mom and dad that he accidently killed Natalee and threw her in the water, and the parents advised him to be quiet and not say that to the authorities, or do you think that the parents are as puzzeled as we are with this case?

    224. Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 10:44 am

      Cancon…Of course I support the Men and Women who Support the War…I’m married to a retired Military Man…I realize these men and women are willing to give their life for our Country..I just wish they didn’t have to make such a sacrifice for a War that was based on LIES, in my opinion…

    225. G on June 22nd, 2005 10:45 am

      sorry I accidentally sent my reply twice.

    226. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 10:45 am

      I’m gonna go out on an unpopular limb here – but I don’t think Joran confessed because I don’t think he probably did that.

    227. cancon on June 22nd, 2005 10:46 am

      sorry some rules are made for a reason, I am sure they need to make sure the dogs have had all their shots because you don’t want the dogs infecting anyone in their country, as noted many countries and even Hawaii have very strict rules about importing animals into their country for good reason, I think health concerns are good reasons

      although in Canada they allowed Sabrina the flying squirrel to stay, she is such a cutie, they were trying to deport her even though her owner did everything he was told to and the silly thing is this kind of squirrel can easily cross the border and often does, without needing documents, but that is because she didn’t pose any health risk, yes my tax dollars at work, Canadian government trying to deport a squirrel meanwhile Al Queda dudes and other illegals with criminal records are running around here……

    228. MR on June 22nd, 2005 10:46 am

      @ Jake

      I think the second one

    229. bob on June 22nd, 2005 10:46 am

      pktbk – “most other countries only know of americans by what is shown on tv”

      very true..

      when i was living overseas(last year) we got the following shows from the US…

      Bold and the Beatiful(circa 1994), Passions, Sunset Beach and Soul Food..

      What a great perception of America we got…

    230. SuperG on June 22nd, 2005 10:46 am

      When a Chinese is killed in the US, do you think your government will be eager to let a Chinese investigation team in?

      What makes this case so special then? Is it because a girl got lost between some scary foreigners? I’m quite sure a couple of girls went missing in the US today as well.

    231. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 10:47 am

      kat….thanks for clarifying! that sounds more efficient than just riding a boat out in the water, which i think is all that was done.

      trisher…that is true. what i am learning about aruba, is what you all say and what is on tv.

      but i don’t hold the island or it’s people accountable for this at all. i’m smart enough to know that this was the work of only a handful of people.

    232. crs on June 22nd, 2005 10:47 am

      Jake, I certainly think the parents know more than we do – after seeing them last night I kind of softened on them but at that same time I could see where like most parents they would cover for their child if put in the situation.

    233. fashionqueen on June 22nd, 2005 10:47 am

      I absolutely think that Joran confided in his parents because who else does he have and what better person than a soon to be judge who knows the laws inside and out!

    234. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 10:48 am

      Gotta say – even tho it doesn’t apply on this board – I support our military! I thank them and welcome home to those who are back. (I didn’t say I support the war.)

    235. mike 1 on June 22nd, 2005 10:48 am

      I hope they find her in time to preserve any forensic evidence / toxicolgy tests / cause of death

    236. cancon on June 22nd, 2005 10:49 am

      some people should keep in mind that Aruba has been one of the few places in the world where they unabashedly love and welcome Americans, I’m sure they aren’t so in love with the American media right now, that and places like Lebanon, the anti Syria forces, a few former Soviet Republics, certain places in Iraq, like the 85% of the country where there are no insurgents/Al Queda mercenaries – have war, will travel

    237. crs on June 22nd, 2005 10:49 am

      Trisher, i am starting to back on Joran too, I am starting to think he may be getting a raw deal and is to a large extent just a dumb kid that may be involved at most on the fringe. My one lingering question on him right now – How did he get home that night? Is he telling the truth that the brothers dropped him back off.

    238. leon on June 22nd, 2005 10:50 am

      @Phil: Why am I thinking this coverage is all wrong…? Aruba is a paradise on earth and yes it is a Dutch island. I don’t think it will impact the tourism in Aruba at ALL. Americans should visit it at least once (or twice if they liked the first time). Do not think Amicans are hated by the Dutch. We love them, i should know because i am Dutch. The media (FOX and CNN) are blowing this thing up to gigantic proportions. Don’t believe all that crap. If any American girl is missing, they will try to find her! (as they are trying already) I am praying that your additude towards the Dutch will change to a more normal level.

    239. Mark 2 on June 22nd, 2005 10:50 am

      Jake, the search may lead to another country, but a search most always begins where the person was last seen.

      Concerning the delay with the dogs, that isn’t a real big problem. I would love to use the cadaver dogs to sniff cars and boats to see if a body has been in one or more of them. Unfortunately, the authorities aren’t going to let them have access to those items – I wouldn’t think. The search, therefore, will be limited to caves, brush, etc. of which most have been searched anyway.

      Although it may be too late to be productive, the sonar units are what I am interested in most and should have been used weeks ago.

    240. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 10:51 am

      bob….LOL that is so sad! bold and the beautiful? why not young and the restless? travesty! yikes…they dont even have up to date shows?

      superg: scary foreigners…lol
      no because there are so many people being tight lipped, and there are so many versions of what happened.

      we have america’s most wanted to help us find people. we have a national missing person database. we have amber alerts for children in place so that within days or weeks we can find children as soon as they are abducted.

    241. fashionqueen on June 22nd, 2005 10:51 am

      Super G…it is the difference in finances…Every family that has lost a loved one or a loved one went missing doesn’t have the financial means to make what Ms. Twitty is making happen and I honestly do feel that if Natalee went missing in the United States, she would be looking just a fiercly for Natalee..this is what we call “A Mother’s Love for her Child”….

    242. MR on June 22nd, 2005 10:51 am
    243. crs on June 22nd, 2005 10:51 am

      Fashion – i am not saying you are wrong but I think Joran’s dad is not all that he has been cracked up to be and i think the MSM is starting to realize that – he is not even a lawyer let alone a judge.

    244. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 10:52 am

      I’m with ya crs. Flexible and open minded
      “Dumb kid” – yes, fo sho
      “Telling the truth” – maybe, probably not totally

    245. Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 10:52 am

      SuperG..I don’t know…Maybe…I doubt that China would let us do any investiagtion in their country though :)

    246. cancon on June 22nd, 2005 10:53 am

      I think the mother doesn’t know, Greta said her impression was that if Mrs. V could do anything to help find Natalee she would, whereas the father seemed more perhaps
      “conscience stricken” – I think if you knew your son was guilty you couldn’t come out on camera and say all the things she has said in her son’s defence because my read is she is genuine, and the way she hugged and kissed Mrs. H on greeting and goodbye, you’d have to be a psychopath to fake it and she’s no psychopath

    247. Aenim on June 22nd, 2005 10:53 am
    248. crs on June 22nd, 2005 10:54 am

      Leon – I agree, I think Aruba and the dutch have gotten a bad rap over a very unfortunate situation that could have happened anywhere and quite honestly none of know what happened.

    249. cancon on June 22nd, 2005 10:54 am

      I must say from that video last night, Mr. V looks like a civil servant, not a judge,

      someone said meek, that’s a good description

    250. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 10:54 am

      what if they are targeting joran to take focus off the kalpoe brothers? we are hearing very very little in regards to them right now.

    251. bob on June 22nd, 2005 10:55 am


      nope oh and I forgot.. Beastmaster! lol and this awful awful show called “The sensitive Samurai” which is some really bad asian show supposedly set in ancient times, alhought the guy wears like running shoes painted to look like plain brown leather.. really really bad..

      I think in the Southern, more “american” part of the country there are alot more channels, but in the North(the desert) there is only one channel, and mostly it is long-distance education to villagers, which i never understood as the people who don’t have accesss to a school because it is too far from their village, ALSO don’t have access to a TV! sheesh.. and the news,..

      Bush was on the news all the time, but I only saw Canadian news once, when it was someone from Rollingstons birthday.. so sad..

    252. crs on June 22nd, 2005 10:56 am

      Cancon, I agree on the mother of Joran – I thought it is was very sweet when she made a point to hug Beth.

    253. mike 1 on June 22nd, 2005 10:56 am

      It seems from the blogs, it was island sport to get the inexperienced teenage tourists drunk and “take them to the lighthouse”. The ground there and at the mangrove is littered with used condoms. These boyz went pharmaceutial. They said they all had sex with her. An 18 year old honor student, math honor society. Three guys – not likely. I think she overdosed. If they don’t find her soon, it will be ruled an acidential drowning with little evidence to the contrary. Joran isn’t talking after weeks of interogation. He’s as arrogant as Scott Peterson. he may walk

    254. fashionqueen on June 22nd, 2005 10:57 am

      What exactly is going on regarding the Kalpoe brothers..we haven’t really heard too much but yet they have been sent off to prison…WHY??

    255. Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 10:58 am

      I still go back to the arrest of the two Balck men and the BOYS pointing their fingers at them..WHY?

    256. crs on June 22nd, 2005 10:58 am

      pktbk – I like that – someone else that thinks it is odd how little attention is paid to the Kalpoe. No offense to the media but they are like a flock of sheep, all followers.

    257. cancon on June 22nd, 2005 10:58 am

      Amber Alert is an incredible initiative isn’t it?

      see this was a question I had about Natalee – my understanding is that when an adult goes missing, in North America and 18 would qualify, that you cannot file a missing person’s report until that person is missing 24 hours or the cops won’t do anything unless there is some evidence of foul play

      now the beauty of the Amber Alert system is they did away with this waiting period, the assumption is now that if a child is missing they presume foul play and the search begins immediately

      but what about adults?

    258. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 10:58 am

      bob…dear Lord, that’s sad. no wonder they look down on us!

      crs…i thought that was huge too. first the mom hugging her and beth for allowing. that spoke volumes!

    259. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 10:59 am

      I hate to say, but a lot of high school graduates these days are not totally inexperienced. They have been drinking for years, and having sex. I know that doesn’t make them mature or anything; but they do it and sometimes their parents have no clue, and sometimes their parents permit it.

    260. crs on June 22nd, 2005 11:00 am

      Snippy – I think the key is….who fingered them…..was it Joran….was it Kalpoe’s… it possible they did drop her off and something else happened?

    261. mike 1 on June 22nd, 2005 11:00 am

      Yeah Trisher, I’m sure you were a mature 18 year old, especially when drinking

    262. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 11:02 am

      Not nice Mike. I didn’t drink or have sex when I was 18. But I’m a parent of 3 over 20, and I’m not naive.
      And I would like to go on the record as saying I’d like to know more about the Kalpoes too.

    263. KatCall on June 22nd, 2005 11:02 am


      Several things make this case sensational. First of all I will say this. Yes, many people go missing in the US. For instance, their is a young girl STILL MSSING for ONE YEAR NOW named Tamika Houston from Spartanburg, SC. She is african american, gorgeous and very talented. Her blood was found in a old apartment her ex-boyfriend rented. They cops sprayed the apartment with Luminol and did a DNA test only to find it matched Tamika’s. The ex is in jail on unrelated charges but has not been charged in her disappearance because no body has ever been found. Tamika’s uncle is an ex-Washington Redskin and his wife is in media relations and has worked herself crazy for their case to get the national attention that other non-minorities get when missing. Tamika did not receive the magnitude of publicity that Natalee has and nobody can answer why. Just think how devastated that family is when it has been one year now without their Tamika.

      I don’t like saying this but stereotypes still do exist. It’s life. Natalee is also gorgeous but she is blonde, has blue eyes and white and comes from an upper middle class family, she’s an honor student, she’s missing in another country, people detained are lying, the father is a judicial official, kids were partying that night, her mother has spoken to AMERICA and Arubans for help and WE CAME TO HER RESCUE! This is why this case is so sensational…..the twists and turns has everyone captivated!

    264. MR on June 22nd, 2005 11:02 am

      Aruba is a part of the Kingdom and one of the suspects is Dutch, but this NH-story is not really big news in The Netherlands (the europe part of the kingdom).

    265. fashionqueen on June 22nd, 2005 11:02 am

      Snippy….Oh I completely agree…but they had absolutely no evidence other than the word of those three boys, to hold those 2 security guards…why was that allowed..who knows but I do know that it is very suspect!!

    266. Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 11:02 am

      crs..Thats the point..who and why? And they have changed their stories..first they all went to the LightHouse..then the boys said they dropped off Van der Sloot and Halloway at the beach in back of the Marriot..then Joran says YES, thats what happened…then he says he left her there alone and asleep?

    267. crs on June 22nd, 2005 11:02 am

      Kids are much more shall we say worldly today but it is true that at that age they do not have all the faculties to make good decisions.

    268. SuperG on June 22nd, 2005 11:03 am

      I think there is only one version of what happened and I think there are skilled people trying to figure out what. I also think bored reporters are writing bullshitstories every day, just to let there manager know thy are still alive and expect to be payed by the end of the month.

      Could you give me a recent example? Or do richkids never get lost?

    269. mike 1 on June 22nd, 2005 11:04 am

      crs – I find it hard to believe Natalee (without being drugged or ultra drunk) gang banged thee guys. math honor society

    270. crs on June 22nd, 2005 11:05 am

      Snip – These are all rumours on the changing stories and everything else – it makes good tv – I am not saying with 100% certainty that the stories are not changing but take everything you hear with a grain of salt at this point.

    271. crs on June 22nd, 2005 11:06 am

      Mike1 – I don’t recall saying that – what are you talking about?

    272. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 11:07 am

      I think that after they pointed the finger at the security guards, they (three boys) thought that they would get arrested and charged, and that this would be a closed case! They NEVER imagined all the media coverage this case has gotten, and that is when they started to change their stories.

    273. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 11:07 am

      superg-you don’t think those bullshit stories would have to be proven before they even go out? people get fired for that kind of stuff.

      i agree with kids do more than their parents know. kids as young as 11 are just as sexually active and experienced in drugs and alchohol as most adults.

    274. SuperG on June 22nd, 2005 11:07 am

      @ Mike 1
      Did you know Natalee then? Or are you just prejudicing?

    275. ydave on June 22nd, 2005 11:08 am

      The dogs did not bark when he sneaked out in the middle of the night, or when he came back. That means, he does not need to sneak out whenever he want to go out. The dogs got used to him in-and-out in the middle of the night.

      And he does not need dad’s permission to go out.

    276. mike 1 on June 22nd, 2005 11:08 am

      crs – that possibly they dropped her off and something else happened. To me their story rings false when they said she had sex with all of them

    277. crs on June 22nd, 2005 11:09 am

      Could be Jake….although you would have to pretty naive to think that there would not be an investigation and that these guys may not have a alibi – but again, they may be just that dumb. I think there is more here than meets the eye.

    278. Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 11:09 am

      crs..yeah, you’re right..What to believe? Well, I’ll leave the sleuthing for now in cabable hands since my maid didn’t show up..LOL…PRAYERS FOR NATALEE…I think of my own Daughters and this is just heartbreaking to think any parent should have to go through such agony…

    279. SuperG on June 22nd, 2005 11:11 am

      @ crs
      Ah, they told you their story as well.

    280. VANESSA on June 22nd, 2005 11:11 am

      is that a fact mike 1 (she had sex with all of them), or is it one of the many rumors floating around?

    281. crs on June 22nd, 2005 11:11 am

      Mike1 – I don’t think it is confirmed that they all had sex with her. Think about how much false info has come out guys – take everything you read and hear with the proverbial grain of salt.

    282. dawn on June 22nd, 2005 11:12 am

      Why has Joran changed his story so many times? Last he told his mother he left Natalee on the beach alone.

    283. crs on June 22nd, 2005 11:13 am

      There are very few concrete facts in this case.

    284. mike 1 on June 22nd, 2005 11:13 am

      It just doesn’t seem reasonable. If you were going to give someone a “roffie”, what better time than their last night on the island? It is common not to have any memory. But even if she did, she’d allready be on a flight back to USA. No confrontation. I wonder if others have experienced this at Carlos N Charlies. Remember the bartender in NY several years ago who date drugged 50 women?

    285. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 11:13 am

      The only way I see them all having sex with her is if she was drugged.

    286. f* on June 22nd, 2005 11:14 am

      Is that a fact dawn or a just a rumor?

    287. dawn on June 22nd, 2005 11:14 am

      I was thinking she was given te date rape drug also

    288. SuperG on June 22nd, 2005 11:14 am

      Did you speak to his mother? How do you know what Joran said to her then?

    289. AnnapolisArubaFan on June 22nd, 2005 11:14 am

      the apparent lack of progress here stinks. & it’s brutal for NH’s family.

      hopefully this is just the appearance due to the “upside down” nature of law enforcement/judicial system in Aruba, and that, all of the sudden, case will break…soon

    290. dawn on June 22nd, 2005 11:15 am

      Well, Greta said that his mother told natalees mother that in the meeting yesterday. That he told her he left her on the beach.

    291. f* on June 22nd, 2005 11:16 am

      what do you mean with “upside down” nature, do you happen to be a legal expert on Aruba?

    292. mike 1 on June 22nd, 2005 11:16 am

      crs – that was their original statement. went to lighrhouse, all had sex, dropped her at the hilton where a man in a security guard uniform helped here with a dropped bag

    293. SuperG on June 22nd, 2005 11:16 am

      Why? Never fancied a gangbang?
      You never got drunk?
      Get a life

    294. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 11:16 am

      jake–you don’t have to drug someone to be able to rape them. and three against one is good odds in their favor.

      we don’t know if any of this is true because the police won’t say anything. every story we get has so many holes in it, they don’t hold water.

    295. dawn on June 22nd, 2005 11:16 am

      You are an ass. I watch the news. This is what Greta said last night. I am not a psychic, and no no one tole me.

    296. crs on June 22nd, 2005 11:17 am

      I am all in favor of getting this case resolved but let’s take the time to make sure the conclusions and outcome are correct. The age of cell phone, PDA’s, and the internet have made us all very impatient – we all expect information instantaneously.

    297. VANESSA on June 22nd, 2005 11:18 am

      I thought the original statement was that VDS and Nat were kissing in the backseat of the car and the brothers dropped them off at the lighthouse…

    298. crs on June 22nd, 2005 11:18 am

      Mike1 – were you in the interrogation room?

    299. SuperG on June 22nd, 2005 11:19 am

      Ah, Greta said. And you believe everything Greta sais right? Because everybody always shares evrything with Greta right? And coincidentally, they always do precisely before Greta’s deadline. Ain’t she a lucky reporter!

    300. Mrs. Red on June 22nd, 2005 11:19 am

      The “friends’ didn’t pass the “smell” test at all on greta’s show last night. They didn’t seem concerned even now, more interested in CYB…..(theirs) IMHO

      Even in my teens and early 20′s – and back then drinking was legal in the States at 18 – we had the “buddy system”. My girlfriends/roommates definately knew my plans and we watched each other’s backs. Never would we have let one of the friends get in a car and drive off….. personally, I think the girl and boy on O’Reilly seemed to be more candid and honest.

      I was really disappointed after hearing those two last night, which by the way, added nothing.

    301. mike 1 on June 22nd, 2005 11:19 am

      well super g, guess YOU have

    302. f* on June 22nd, 2005 11:19 am

      By the way Mike, there is no Hilton on Aruba.

    303. G on June 22nd, 2005 11:20 am

      we should be more supportive, lets all pray for the safe return of NH

    304. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 11:20 am

      Has anyone heard anything about the search team. I read that the head of the search team is going in to look for a “body”. He told the family that the chances of finding NH alive were low. I think they are coming to look for a body.

    305. KatCall on June 22nd, 2005 11:21 am

      How can Joran sneak OUT at night when he lives in an ajoining apartment on his parents property? This alone means he can come and go as he pleases! Heck, he drives at 17, is allowed to gamble, drink and enter clubs! He’s his own boss! On Joran’s website he said he “LOVED his lifestyle and has tons of fun. One of his female friends reported that Joran is “really good with the girls”! Some smooth operator I would say! This is exactly why the truth has not come out yet! He knows the game and plays it well!

      I also agree that something is very suspicious about the lack of information regarding the Kalpoes. The Kalpoes were taken to prison to separate all four from each other in the jail facilities. There are only 2 jails on the island. Joran is at one, Stephen Croes at the other and the Kalpoes had to go to the prison site.

      In this case, I am leaning that the Kalpoes are followers…not leaders!

    306. crs on June 22nd, 2005 11:21 am

      For the record, the original statement was they drove to the lighthouse, none of them got out, Joran and NH were making out, the drove back, dropped her at the Holiday Inn and saw her last with two security guards dressed in dark outfits as reported by the media.

    307. f* on June 22nd, 2005 11:21 am

      I agrre with you G, we shoula all pray for the safe return of NH.

    308. dawn on June 22nd, 2005 11:21 am

      Natalee is missing and it is very sad! No one knows what happened, it’s all speculation. We are all here to express our thoughts. It is not fair to attack others for their opinion. Can we please keep this civil.

    309. G on June 22nd, 2005 11:23 am

      no Hilton, are you sure? cause I thought Nancy grace mentioned a Hilton?

    310. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 11:24 am

      The F.B.I. also need to find out if the stepfather took out a life insurance policy on the girl. Funny how they are throwing money around and tipping heavily (& drinking heavily) in all the restaurants. People who work for their money don’t pay for other’s dinners.

    311. f* on June 22nd, 2005 11:24 am

      No G, it was at the Holiday Inn, trust me I have been to Aruba.

    312. mike 1 on June 22nd, 2005 11:25 am

      f* better google that – then retract

    313. crs on June 22nd, 2005 11:25 am

      Simian – where did you hear all this….you sound like someone with the agenda of simply stirring people up with your comments.

    314. SuperG on June 22nd, 2005 11:25 am

      @ mike 1
      No I haven’t. But I’m not saying that “to me their story rings false when they said she had sex with all of them” (like you do).
      Because I haven’t heared their story.

    315. f* on June 22nd, 2005 11:26 am

      I know that there is no Hilton on the island, I am 100% sure!!!!!!

    316. G on June 22nd, 2005 11:26 am

      ok I just know it started with an H that’s all.

    317. VANESSA on June 22nd, 2005 11:26 am

      I thought I heard on Fox News late last night, someone saying (a reporter for the Aruba newspaper) that he spoke w/a reliable source & that Joran was cooperating with the authorities & they were interrogating him for 11 hours a day and keeping him in a room where the temperature was extremely cold….did anyone else hear that?

    318. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 11:27 am

      Kat-I think the Kalpoes have spoken the truth, and they are now considered witnesses. I do believe that they dropped Joran and NH off at the beach or lighthouse, and left. I think one of the brothers later said that Joran called or e-mailed him and said “something bad happened to Natalee”,( rumor or truth?)
      so I would think that the Kalpoe brothers have already told the authorities what Joran has told the. I just don’t understand why they haven’t been able to find Natalee yet? I would think that Joran told the Kalpoe brothers what he did with the body, unless that is where Croes fits in. Joran hired Croes to get rid of it.

    319. crs on June 22nd, 2005 11:27 am

      Vanessa, I heard all that too, Joran’s mother said that according to Greta.

    320. G on June 22nd, 2005 11:28 am

      it would take a heck of an Ac unit to keep any room in Aruba extremely cold! It could be that they’re using a walk-in cooler.

    321. f* on June 22nd, 2005 11:28 am

      I heard on Fox today that Aruba is only 6 x 1 mile, it seemed much bigger than that when I was there. Anybody?????

    322. AnnapolisArubaFan on June 22nd, 2005 11:29 am

      f* —
      “upside down” in quotes to reflect that it was intended as a relative term vis-a-vis American legal…not intended to be judgmental. Just referencing the fact that it favors pre-charge detention pending investigation (as opposed to probable cause arrest only) and pre-charge restrictions on prosecutor communications about evidence (as opposed to early disclosure), and a general “guilty until proven innocent” approach but with serious repercussions for procedural slip-ups (as opposed to “procedure” games AFTER charging and pre-trial).

    323. AnnapolisArubaFan on June 22nd, 2005 11:29 am

      19 x 6 (at widest), i think

    324. crs on June 22nd, 2005 11:30 am

      It came out yesterday that Croes told the police some time ago, he saw the three drop off NH at the Holiday Inn and he was brought in now because of all of the conflicting stories. Most people seem to think Croes will be released next week.

    325. G on June 22nd, 2005 11:30 am

      Annapolis person that was an impressive answer. Do I detect any legal experience here?

    326. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 11:31 am

      I am from Aruba…and it is tragically funny to read how most of you speculate with information you read or see an CNN and Fox News.

    327. f* on June 22nd, 2005 11:31 am

      Annapolis, thank you for clearifying that.

    328. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 11:31 am

      crs-the judge gave them until next tuesday with croes.

      the island sounds small, but aerial views show there is a lot of land to cover.

    329. crs on June 22nd, 2005 11:32 am

      According to someone last night on fox the big jail does not even have AC for the prisoners…..why would you use oceanfront real estate to build a jail…being in real estate I am like what lame brain would do that.

    330. SuperG on June 22nd, 2005 11:32 am

      “that he spoke w/a reliable source”. Sounds like: “an official”, or “a senior officer”. Who sais the reporter aint talking bullshit to have an exclusive (they are so fond of that).
      People usually have names.

    331. mike 1 on June 22nd, 2005 11:33 am

      crs – they are searching the water where Croes boat “tatoo” is moored close to the Holiday Inn

    332. crs on June 22nd, 2005 11:33 am

      Sim -chill out – in america we call this a discussion board hence the discussion you see.

    333. Stefe McHearthy on June 22nd, 2005 11:33 am

      So what about that Stepfather? I came upon some older documentation about him that might suggest his integrity towards underaged females used to be doubtful.

    334. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 11:33 am

      simian…it passes the time since we aren’t given actual facts from the police.

    335. f* on June 22nd, 2005 11:33 am

      What difference does it make where the jail is?

    336. G on June 22nd, 2005 11:33 am

      so do you have beter sources aruban Simian? if so please give us the latest, how are things on aruba?

    337. VANESSA on June 22nd, 2005 11:34 am

      SuperG: my thoughts exactly!

    338. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 11:34 am

      If you knew where the prison is located you would not call it oceanfront property. It is the North Coast. Very rugged terrain.

    339. G on June 22nd, 2005 11:34 am

      by beter I mean better (i can’t type)

    340. crs on June 22nd, 2005 11:36 am

      Sim – I would not be surprised if you have been in the jail.

    341. f* on June 22nd, 2005 11:36 am

      Simian can you swim where the jail is, do they take the prisoners swimming sometimes?

    342. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 11:36 am

      why do we always get the angry arubans on here? where are the calm informative arubans?

    343. mike 1 on June 22nd, 2005 11:36 am

      besides being close to ocean means no costly infrastructure like to facilitate several hundred prisoners sewage

    344. G on June 22nd, 2005 11:37 am

      what? simian has been in jail? can you see the ocean from in there?

    345. AnnapolisArubaFan on June 22nd, 2005 11:37 am

      Simian from Aruba: Still on island? If so, please solve this crime and return Natalee to her peeps.

      f*: got to admit I double-checked —
      the terrain (& Simian would probably agree) is more rugged and wild (especially the northeast side) than you might think.

      G: yes…but certianly no expert on Dutch system.

    346. crs on June 22nd, 2005 11:37 am

      Stefe – where is this info? Strong accusations – to imply the stepdad is involved.

    347. f* on June 22nd, 2005 11:37 am

      Are you serious Mike, do they do that in Aruba?

    348. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 11:37 am

      Aruban Police deal with hardened criminals from the Mainland. So the fact that a 17 year-old isn’t talking is beyond everybody on the island too.

      What I posted is information I have on the behaviour of the parental units on Aruba. Furthermore, the parents were taken in for interviews by the FBI last night.

    349. crs on June 22nd, 2005 11:38 am

      f* – the swimming comment was pretty funny!!

    350. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 11:38 am

      is anyone watching the news while we are on here? is there anything new happening?

    351. f* on June 22nd, 2005 11:39 am

      Thank you!!

    352. mike 1 on June 22nd, 2005 11:40 am

      sure, they also dump their garbage off the north coast, right simian? current takes it away. no need to barge it out

    353. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 11:41 am

      To whoever made comment: I have taken a tour of the facility and even spent a night in there when it was inaugurated. So have everybody in my gradutating class at Colegio Arubano who wanted to participate.

    354. f* on June 22nd, 2005 11:41 am

      My God when I was there I never noticed anything like that, it seemed very modern to me. Are you really sure????

    355. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 11:43 am

      trash and sewage gets dumped in the ocean all the time. landfills get full and they have nowhere to dump it. that’s how some beaches get covered in waste like that. it washes up or sinks.

    356. VANESSA on June 22nd, 2005 11:44 am

      ROTF………Why f*? Did you go swimming while you were there & swallow some water?

    357. KatCall on June 22nd, 2005 11:45 am


      As CRS said earlier, in an age of cell phones, pda’s, email etc…..we are impatient for answers. In american we are not accustomed to waiting for updates! We get them hourly factual or not! The problem most people have is NOT KNOWING. These boards are for sharing thoughts and speculation to if one must. Stop being so defensive and lighten up!

    358. f* on June 22nd, 2005 11:45 am

      Should I go back, cause I really loved it there, are there a lot of sick people because of this?

    359. G on June 22nd, 2005 11:45 am

      I heard they dump their garbage at a certain spot where sharks eat most of it. some place at the north coast. they have huge sharks there i’m told. if poor NH was in fact dumped in the ocean some where it could have been there.

    360. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 11:47 am

      g: i think it was said on the news that they don’t feed sharks there anymore. they would have to take it further out to sea to dump trash i would think. they said anything dumped on the north coast comes right back.

    361. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 11:47 am

      An American company has engineered our landfill. It is illegal to dump where it is not allowed. You have to go out an 100 meters on the south side so that you may use the current. The north side is much more difficult. Anything will always wash back on shore.

      Does this help?

    362. f* on June 22nd, 2005 11:48 am

      I don’t know what ROTF is Vanessa, but no I don’t recall swallowing any water. Why were you there too?

    363. Stefe McHearthy on June 22nd, 2005 11:48 am

      @crs : I need to make clear this is about Natalee’s stepfather and it’s about his history.

    364. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 11:49 am

      Back from my meeting!

      Has anyone brought this up? :

      I think the reason the 3 nimwit suspects are saying they ‘all had sex with Natalee’, is because they know their DNA will be found. Assuming, of course that Aruba’s Medical “Experts”, have Rape Kits on Hand, and know how to conduct appropriate tests.

      I think the boys had no choice but to say that, cuz they need an ‘out’, once her body (heaven forbid) is located.

      I am NOT saying that is what happened to Natalee…just my guess on why the suspects said that….


    365. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 11:49 am

      Oh, I’m not being defensive at all. I just thinkI might help you people with any details you migh be getting wrong about my island.

    366. f* on June 22nd, 2005 11:49 am

      Simian do you have a lot of shark attacks in Aruba?

    367. KatCall on June 22nd, 2005 11:51 am


      You are a TRIP! Too funny about Simian being in jail! You bust me up man!

      I am in real estate too! It is booming here in the northeast!

    368. f* on June 22nd, 2005 11:52 am

      Has anybody else been to Aruba?

    369. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 11:52 am

      MomfromMo – where are they saying they all had sex with Natalee?

    370. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 11:53 am

      “I am from Aruba…and it is tragically funny to read how most of you speculate with information you read or see an CNN and Fox News.”


      What other avenues to you suggest we take for answers? Wait until Caren whatshername feels like saying something other than ‘No Comment’ ??? We do read & watch CNN/Fox. Why? We WANT answers. We WANT justice. We WANT Natalee returned to her family unharmed.

      I find it pathetic that YOU find it ‘funny’.

    371. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 11:53 am

      don’t sharks migrate? they don’t really hang out in one place and feast on garbage and people do they?

      i know we had that strange bunch of sharks swarming the florida coast, but i know they didn’t stay.

    372. G on June 22nd, 2005 11:53 am

      MOMfromMO I’m sure they have rape kits, why you being sarcastic?

    373. fashionqueen on June 22nd, 2005 11:53 am

      Super G:

      First of all I will say this, because although I give my opions, I am very polite in doing so…Your SARCASIM isn’t appreciated! Secondly, like I said, it is the difference in what lengths a family is capable of going to…Everyone isn’t capable of doing what Ms. Twitty is doing…..Why don’t you do me a favor and find something else to bitch about. Thanks!

    374. mike 1 on June 22nd, 2005 11:53 am

      If evidence is not forthcomming, the judge may have to release the three this weekend. His hands may be tied, no evidence to hold them – nimwits? Joran is arrogant and smart

    375. f* on June 22nd, 2005 11:53 am

      Trisher I haven’t heard that either.

    376. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 11:53 am

      Mom-I think they said it to make her seem like “not a nice girl”, when in fact she is/was. I think they might have all three had her way with her, but only after slipping her a drug in her drink!

    377. f* on June 22nd, 2005 11:55 am

      I have been to Carlos & Charlies too but it’s not that easy to slip a drug in your cup, especially if you dance on the bar, you got a straight shot from the bottle.

    378. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 11:56 am

      Who said that they all had sex with her? Nobody did as far as I know.

      We have seen exclusive footage here in Aruba from our local news that CNN and Fox News did not have. According to our local reporters the Americans were asleep at the hotel.

      We speculate a lot too. Something like this is beyond anything that has happened on this island. When a prisoner has escaped in the past they were captured in a matter of days and hours. So, if you consider that a fugitive that doesn’t want to be found is found.

      How come we can’t find a single girl. We are as much puzzled by this as you. However, Arubans are suspicious, because they know our Police force deals with insurance fraud committed by American tourist all the time. Nowadays, most of them get solved.

    379. f* on June 22nd, 2005 11:58 am

      Simian are you a real native, born and raised there?

    380. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 12:01 pm

      There is no such thing as an Aruban native. Like most Arubans I am from a European family that migrated in the late 1700′s.

    381. LizzieD on June 22nd, 2005 12:01 pm

      Bottom line. . .if they aren’t guilty why did they lie in the first place and why have they changed their story so many times and accused innocent people?

    382. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 12:01 pm

      To G: I’m being ‘sarcastic’, because I have no faith in Aruba’s ‘legal system’. Seems to be a joke.

      Jake, I agree with you…that they slipped NH a drug & ‘had their way with her’. They’re runnin’ scared…but I still think they’ll walk.

    383. KatCall on June 22nd, 2005 12:02 pm

      Simian….Oh what an interesting spin? American insurance fraud! NOT!

      Natalee has been victimized somehow and we want her found!!!!

    384. VANESSA on June 22nd, 2005 12:03 pm

      I have to side with csr & pktbk……..the two brothers have not been the focus of any news AT ALL, which seems odd. Possibly a red herring?

    385. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 12:03 pm

      Simian, good comment, “So, if you consider that a fugitive that doesn’t want to be found is found.” That’s a very good point. And if you have been living there, you should know. Is there anything happening now that you can tell us about?

    386. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 12:04 pm

      The Aruban legal system is the same as the Dutch legal system and is again modelled after the European system. Why so you think the International court is based in The Hague?

      So you really think we made up our legal system ourselves?

      Our system is as old as yours. It is just based on other principles.

    387. born 2 b wild on June 22nd, 2005 12:05 pm

      Our FBI is the most elite investigative agency in the world – they would have made a sweetheart deal with the weakest of the three by now and we would know a lot more with a much more direct and intelligent approach.

      I am not predjudicial in any way but these Arubans are not prepared to handle this type of case and it is obvious.

      the FBI is not perfect (it is made of humans like you and me) but they are much more experienced in these types of cases.

      Beth Holloway Twitty should hire a few PI’s from here in the states to get involved. (Does anybody know if she or anyone has?).

      this whole deal is starting to get really stale.

      at the same time, in this day and age Natalee being found alive would not surprise me all that much (although it is highly unlikely at this point).

      we need to continue to hold out hope, but something new to get closer to exactly what happened on this would be good for all concerned.

    388. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 12:05 pm

      I read on a post yesterday where someone said, “One of the three suspects in custody tried to commit suicide”. Is this confirmed, or (more probable), RUMOR??

    389. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 12:06 pm

      vanessa…very odd indeed. we don’t know if they are still being questioned there. if the police have any evidence enough to end them to prisons. it’s like, don’t look over here…look what joran is doing! look, we have croes!

      i still don’t understand why the kalpoe parents haven’t been protesting to get their boys out.

    390. f* on June 22nd, 2005 12:07 pm

      Mom, I guess you must have been to Aruba to know about their legal system. Or are you participating long distance in this case? Please give us the scoop!!

    391. KatCall on June 22nd, 2005 12:07 pm

      After all this time, amercians have listened to report after report on the Dutch legal systems and how it works. The problem is there are still no answers, this case is taking to long to resolve and it appears not enough has been done in terms of searching for Natalee. Silence in this case is… NOT GOLDEN TO AMERICANS!

    392. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 12:07 pm

      Simian-You mean Aruba has cases that actually get solved????? What’s the time frame of solving a case there? 1, 2 years?

      Mom – I agree with you, the kids will walk, but you know what, it is going to make MANY MANY people will think twice about going to Aruba again.

    393. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 12:09 pm

      I think we should all remember to be open minded – Kat and Mom. Simian is giving some interesting info.
      And good points born2b.

    394. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 12:09 pm

      With the insurance fruad I would like to illustrate that we have seen that Americans do that when they are down here. They do all sorts of stuff. Including abusing our laws on drinking.

      On other hand, locals feel that it is too fishy and they have become suspicious.

      The comments I posted was from a restaurant owner friend of mine.

    395. f* on June 22nd, 2005 12:09 pm

      I don’t understand why nobody seems to care about all the other missing cases in this country, is anybody else less important? I would hope if anybody I know goes missing, wherever, that the newsmedia gives it as much attention as this case.

    396. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 12:10 pm

      SuperG-NOPE..never fancied a gangbang…yes i’ve gotten drunk, as for my life. I have a fabulous, facinating one!!!

    397. f* on June 22nd, 2005 12:12 pm

      Jake, what happens with our cold cases or unsolved cases? Nobody is perfect, not even the U.S. And I love this country, but I am not blind or narrowminded.

    398. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 12:13 pm

      f*-if the cases are strange enough or local coverage isn’t getting results you would make it national.

    399. scaredshitless on June 22nd, 2005 12:14 pm


    400. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 12:14 pm

      I do not live in Aruba. As you may not have noticed, I do not hide the fact that I live in Missouri (note my screen name). I have blogged with many Aruban citizens on this blog that even themselves admit that Aruba is not experienced in this type of crime / investigation. While I can respect that, I think it’s proposterous that they won’t allow the US to assist (ie, HELP) in the investigation.

    401. scaredshitless on June 22nd, 2005 12:15 pm


    402. f* on June 22nd, 2005 12:15 pm

      But I think most cases are strange when a person dissapears of the face of the earth don’t you?

    403. scaredshitless on June 22nd, 2005 12:15 pm

      Mom from Missouri….you sound like a great person…..I am also a MOM from the East coast

    404. leopardqueen on June 22nd, 2005 12:16 pm

      Why on earth have they not squeezed the family jewels of that boy to make him talk??????????????????????????????

    405. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 12:16 pm

      Jake your sarcams is typical of your upbringing. The thing is that it is just what makes the rest of the world question North American rationalism.

      We are worried when people say that they won’t come, because wherever I am I always invite people to my island. It is the best advertisement.

      I do have to let all of you know that bookings are up (YTD) and it is actually low-season at the moment. Which is what explains the students getting their vacation packages at US$ 1500.

      We are worried, because we know it ain’t so. I have been to C&C and I have seen what your US teens do and how they behave. The thing is it has nothing to do with if a crime was committed or not.

      Some of you are claiming justice. Before that it must be established that a crime was committed.

    406. Maarten on June 22nd, 2005 12:17 pm

      You know, seeing how you Americans react I am actually glad that this has happened

      You guys deserve this for your ignorance of what goes on in the rest of the world.

      Not every country can be as good as America, while I must point out your legal system and law enforcement sucks ass.

      Start praying and kissing your bible bitches, it will help more than all of the ignorant rambles here and that says enough.

    407. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 12:17 pm

      I am very open minded. That’s why I’m in this blog. I respect other’s opinions…and I have some of my own.

    408. leopardqueen on June 22nd, 2005 12:18 pm

      You sound so high class, Maarten… probably are on a fast road to HELL

    409. vander F on June 22nd, 2005 12:19 pm

      Laat je niet gek maken Simian
      @jake, shut up, M. Jackson, O.J. Simpson, don’t make me laugh.
      The US legal system sometimes seems to be a farce too, so take that stick out of your eye.
      It blocks your view.

    410. G on June 22nd, 2005 12:19 pm

      Mom and Jake you guys sound like you know a lot about the Aruban system. I’ll bet you spent a lot of time on the island and became thoroughly acquainted with the legal system and all aspects of life on this island. please tell us more.

    411. scaredshitless on June 22nd, 2005 12:19 pm

      dont let Maarten get your goat, Leopard……he is jealous he’s not American as everyone knows America’s the best place in the world…why do so many immigrants try to get into our country!!!!

      haha….long live the USA

    412. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 12:19 pm

      Scared: Thank for saying that…I am VERY nice. Sure, my claws can come out from time to time….but it’s the passion that does it. DOGGONE IT! LOL :)

    413. Arubian on June 22nd, 2005 12:20 pm

      By the way, the FBI is interviewing Natalee’s parents.. It may be an interrogation. Something they should’ve done from day one.

    414. f* on June 22nd, 2005 12:20 pm

      Mom, I never claimed that you live in Aruba. I am from Miami and we have a lot of unsolved cases here, I am just wondering if we are not being too hard on the Dutch judicial system. After all the international court on war crimes is in the Netherland, it just can’t be that bad. I am not attacking you or anybody I just wonder and am stating my personal opinion.

    415. leopardqueen on June 22nd, 2005 12:20 pm

      I know plenty of ppl who are not ever going to any Caribbean island….those ads on TV sure lie

      Everyone knows the lowlifes that live on islands

      Half of them are lazy or laying around on their beaches, getting high


    416. leopardqueen on June 22nd, 2005 12:21 pm

      arubian….go to hell you slime bag! How DARE you accuse Natalee’s heartbroken parents of anything….you piece of SHIT

    417. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 12:21 pm

      Get off your high horse, G. I have already responded.

      Shall me ummmmmmmmm….move along perhaps???

    418. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 12:22 pm

      yes, missing person cases are mysterious enough. when they get no new leads or no one comes forward with new information….that’s when it becomes a cold case. then it’s up to the family’s financial status to determine if the case goes any further. sadly enough.

      maarten-we deserve this? now who’s arrogant? is that the attitude you take when you see tourists there? i hope something bad happens to the ignorant, rich, american kid! real mature.

      and these aren’t ignorant ramblings, and if they were, that’s what messageboards are for. to say what’s on your mind and discuss issues.

    419. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 12:24 pm

      The FBI is all up in this case. There is the simple point of JURISDICTION. The Dutch Kingdom is a sovereign country. It will hurt the case if the defense at some point in the future will suggest that the FBI interferred with the rights of the accused.

      Look Aruba up properly, The US has an immigration and customs pre-clearing post in Aruba. We have a FOL (Forward Operating Location) for the US (Look up what that is!). The US has been investting in Aruba since 1929. We have MAJOR chains of American multi-national hotels in Aruba. The Ritz-Carlton is set to built in Aruba.

      Do you think we WANT to fuck it up with the Americans???

      The government and the Judicial Branch has allowed anything the family has asked for. The FBI, Miami-Dade Police, Dogs and now a Texan search team. Anything they wanted. Except…compromise the

    420. f* on June 22nd, 2005 12:25 pm

      Why are we starting to attack eachother, everybody is proud of who he/she is and where he/she is from. I don’t think any country or its legal system is perfect but we have to live with it. Isn’t this site about our thoughts on Natalee and what happened? Let’s try to stick to it.

    421. JoeVols on June 22nd, 2005 12:26 pm

      Just curious, Is Greta’s name Dutch?…

    422. diana on June 22nd, 2005 12:26 pm

      Joran seems to have a sociopathic personality…his parents allow him to do whatever he wants, so his arrogance has no end…because of his massive size, his parents are afraid to restrain him, unable to discipline him…he probably thinks that he can get away with murder…otherwise he would have cracked by now. He left Natalee on the beach asleep…give me a break!!!…If that were true, why not take the authorities back there & show them the exact spot? (if he were innocent of any crime, that is.)

    423. G on June 22nd, 2005 12:27 pm

      i’m not on a high horse, i just think that some of your comments were a little off base and i responded to that politely.
      i also happen to be good at sarcasm and i just wanted to show my skill, it’s not personal you’re probably a fine mom

    424. Rebecca on June 22nd, 2005 12:27 pm

      i was reading the comments and i couldnt even get half way through the page, so excuse me if things got better.. but this is NOT America Vrs Aruba.. this is America and Aruba working together to find a missing and probably very scared girl (have faith thats shes alive) NOTHING right now is more important that finding natalee and putting her family at ease.

    425. f* on June 22nd, 2005 12:28 pm

      Diana, where do you get this info? I would love to see that news, I only look at CNN and Fox, please inform.

    426. G on June 22nd, 2005 12:29 pm

      Rebecca you are right! pray with me sister.

    427. AllyinMiami on June 22nd, 2005 12:29 pm

      Maarten-i found it comical that you are commenting on how “Americans react to a situation”…um just take a look at your e-mail..I think it is fair to say that you don’t necessarily know how to react to a situation if you have to resort to vulgarity. You seem to be very educated and especially sophisticated. We do not claim that our legal system is perfect; however, we do follow a protocal that is executed with promptness and for a lack of a better phrase, common sense. To allow three boys who were last seen with Natalee to return for 9 days is nonsensical…and yes, ignorant.

    428. Maarten on June 22nd, 2005 12:29 pm

      Its just ridicilous how the Americans take things over

      ITS NOT YOUR COUNTRY, #####!

      Thats my point.

      You guys claim how everything is going wrong if you don’t take things over, but the fact of the matter is it has gone wrong already because of it.

      The whole newshype is fucking things up and I am tired of it. Enough children get molested every day but now you guys wanna blame it on some evil conspiracy in Aruba. Can’t you see it is nothing but a hype designed to make you guys feel angry about what is going on? Its all about attention attention attention!

      The US doesn’t do it better than Aruba at all. Sorry!

    429. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 12:31 pm

      I think it’s easy to post sarcasms/insults/attacks when we don’t actually see each other. Very sad. I also think it’s easy to seem ‘harsh’ about certain things, when you feel passionate about the ‘situation’.

      Just MHO

    430. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 12:31 pm

      van der F. Ik ben rustig hoor, maar sommige dingen moeten gewoon gezegd worden.

      “Arubian” did not accuse anybody. He just stated a news that has been released. The parents were taken in by the FBI for ‘interviews’.

    431. Knear @wnc on June 22nd, 2005 12:32 pm

      Concrete facts in this case are minimal. I come to this blog to get information – I watch “news” channels to get information. Unfortunately, gossip is most prevalent in both cases. We, as Americans, are seen by other countries, reflected in our “leaders” and our media. I won’t go into “leaders” but our news stations are run as businesses – has very little to do with news, ie. facts. As long as we watch and accept gossip, that is what we will get and that is how we are preceived by other countires. Our “news” people are “assertive”, aggressive or maybe just plain rude all in the name of get it first and get it fast. No substance, no facts(sometimes all bias), but who cares. Takes a lot to fill 24/7 and make lots of money.

      It is at these times when really bad things happen that the lack of integrity and honesty really is bothersome. Arubians are reacting in a normal way to being treated as commodies by rude overbearing media people. Blogs offer a venue for anyone who has a computer – our bias, depth and maturity are shown internationally. Some of us show better than others.

      Horses don’t need to be brought in – they have horses on the island. Dogs do need to be brought in – specially trained dogs and laws do need to be followed.

      No “story” – confession has been substantiated. From all three had sex with her, to they really did go to the lighthouse, none are facts – all conjecture. That Greta found Mr. Vander Sloot tense – who knows.

      Facts are Natalee is missing and her mother is outstanding. We need/want Natalee back. Please give us facts as they come and please pray for Natalee and her family.

    432. f* on June 22nd, 2005 12:32 pm

      Maarten, don’t take it all so personal. Nobody believes that half of the Arubans are bums that do drugs on the beach, but you shouldn’t react it will only give you more negative reactions. Or if that’s what you want, sorry for interferring.

    433. Mark 2 on June 22nd, 2005 12:32 pm

      I think the mother is typical. She wasn’t around when this happened and wants to believe her son so bad that she does believe him. As a parent, I would do the same. It is interesting though that she told Natalee’s mother that her son told her that he “left her” at that area not far from the Marriott. That differs from any of the stories that he has supposedly told the police but is consistent with the story from the brothers.

      Maybe he did drug her, rape her, and not wanting to be with her when she came out of it or not wanting to be seen with her anywhere around the motel to be identified in case she remembered what happened and wanted to press charges, he just left her there unconscious on the beach. He may be telling the truth to his mom that he left her there, but he is leaving out the part about what condition she was in when he left her and/or who he left her with.

      Just another theory to go with the other four thousand out there.

    434. Arubian on June 22nd, 2005 12:33 pm

      leopardqueen is hilarious.

      But what the first thing do you do with a possible crime scene? Not invite the closest realitves and friends first to ask questions?? Then you can find more cluse to the investigation, or am I wrong?

      For example, if Natalee’s situation at home was all roses as they portray in the media, an that she may have been in trouble before, it could put a whole new twist on the whole investigation.

    435. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 12:33 pm

      Maarten: Sure, we’ll #### ###! Once we get Natalee back, Aruba’s gonna be FUCKED. Maybe you can get some tourism from Afghanistan. No doubt, you’d make them feel right at home.

      Are you Osama in disguise??

    436. Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 12:35 pm

      Just came back on to say that Fox News is reporting that Van der Sloot is changing his story once again ?? maybe its already been posted here..I didn’t read back..

    437. Maarten on June 22nd, 2005 12:35 pm

      I hate sites that ask for my mail, thats why I just put something there. What I say has nothing to do with my mail.

      I am not claiming that things are going right there and things don’t make sense but MANY things don’t make sense in ANY legal system.

      I think the guys should have a fair trial and if we let the US treat things they won’t get a fair trial in my opinion. Look at how heated up everybody is and how they want the US to handle it to ensure that they’ll be put in jail. Its all emotions.

      What I am writing down is emotions too. If those guys are guilty I want them behind bars just as much as you guys, but this is not the way! You guys are basically bossing Aruba around to get things the way you want it.

    438. G on June 22nd, 2005 12:36 pm

      no insults or attacks, just some sarcasm. passion is fine but it should make at least some sense, based on something other than just a gut feeling without having any real inf. to back it up.
      if you make certain claims you should expect reactions and sarcastic claims will probably be greeted with sarcastic reactions. it’s that simple.

    439. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 12:36 pm

      Thanx for the info….but are YOU surprised???

      Keep us posted!

    440. jburnham on June 22nd, 2005 12:37 pm

      The biggest mistake that was made was not confiscating the car of the three amigos right after they were picked up. Any forensic evidence that could have been there is gone now.

      I am sure it was due to inexperience that this happened on Aruba’s part , but since there are so few crimes like this that happen there it is not so surprising.

      At least maybe everyone can agree that we all this case solved for everyone involved, especially NH’s family.

    441. f* on June 22nd, 2005 12:37 pm

      Mom, and you are a responsible mother using those words, shame on you. Do you really believe all Arubans have something to do with Natalee’s dissapearance. Don’t take all this personally, I’m not and I am also very much involved in this case. The media is looking for ratings too, it is true. Not everything you hear is true, believe me.

    442. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 12:38 pm

      To G: >>>sigh

    443. Maarten on June 22nd, 2005 12:39 pm

      jburnham: I agree with you. I just want this case solved, but the whole mediahype and America will show them how its done attitude I dislike a lot.

    444. Stefe McHearthy on June 22nd, 2005 12:39 pm

      Go fck yourself! Maybe you can find some commies down there while you at it!

    445. Arubian on June 22nd, 2005 12:39 pm

      “To allow three boys who were last seen with Natalee to return for 9 days is nonsensical…and yes, ignorant.”

      No it’s not. They were tapping their phones and following their every move for more evidence, that’s all.

    446. G on June 22nd, 2005 12:42 pm

      I knew it would only be a matter of time before someone linked Osama to this case! Porter Goss was right we do know where Osama is, it’s Maarten!! that’s why he doesn’t want to give his email address!

    447. Veritas on June 22nd, 2005 12:42 pm

      its the caribbean, mon, why don’t you silly people just go back home?

    448. f* on June 22nd, 2005 12:44 pm

      great sarcasm G. Do you think the all of El Qaeda is in Aruba too?

    449. G on June 22nd, 2005 12:45 pm

      to mom: sigh?? good enough for me.

    450. Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 12:46 pm

      Interesting piece of news I just heard..could be why his story changes is because by their law they can interrogate up to 14 hours a day…evidently, he isn’t being pampered if that is whats really going on…

    451. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 12:47 pm

      f*: Since you feel the need to question my level of responsibility, what exactly does “f*” mean…Like I care, really.

      No need to answer.

    452. LizzieD on June 22nd, 2005 12:47 pm

      Arubian. . .when have they EVER said they were tapping their phone calls? Their statement of “we let them go to follow them see if that would get us clues” was a LAME excuse to try to explain how they DROPPED THE BALL by not acting quicker.

      Give me a break.

    453. G on June 22nd, 2005 12:48 pm

      no not really, there’s no evidence to support this but thanks for asking.

    454. Arubian on June 22nd, 2005 12:49 pm

      Yes, LizzieD,

      You know them better than I do. It’s a lame excuse.

      Yeah right,

    455. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 12:51 pm

      Snippy – did they say what he’s changing his story to this time?

    456. Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 12:51 pm

      Lizzie…Greta said they tapped their phones..just awhile ago because she said the reason that Dad Van Der Sloot couldn’t visit his son in jail is because they overheard through wire taping Dad tell son not to talk…He claims he said that because the kid was shooting off his mouth at school after he was released for those 10 days…

    457. LizzieD on June 22nd, 2005 12:52 pm

      So then tell me what evidence they gathered during those 9 days that was SO important? What was it that lead to their arrests? What lead to their arrests was the air tight alibies of the 2 men they accused. It was only then that the Aruban police thought “Hey. . .maybe the rich kids are lying”!!!

      They did not investigate them in those nine days. . .why would they when they had arrested 2 other people????????

    458. Arubian on June 22nd, 2005 12:52 pm

      “# Veritas Says:
      June 22nd, 2005 at 12:42 pm

      its the caribbean, mon, why don’t you silly people just go back home?

      Since when have you heard a real caribbean person say the word “mon”????

    459. tj on June 22nd, 2005 12:53 pm

      IF he did in fact leave her there unaccounted for at the beach, he did so knowing full well what would follow. Maybe not w/who, but what. And, obviously, she was drugged.

      Worse case, if they couldn’t pull it off, shes in proximity of the hotel and would return accounted for. He had nothing to lose. I believe she was kidnapped.

      As for his story line, what can you prove if he insists….”I left her there”. In x number of days, he walks.

      On another note, does anyone know of any network tonight that may be covering or interviewing peoploe on this case tonight (the 22nd)?

    460. Red on June 22nd, 2005 12:53 pm

      Folks … heated informed debate is fine.

      Ease up on the emotional, personal attacks toward one another.

      Red & Tom

    461. AnnapolisArubaFan on June 22nd, 2005 12:54 pm

      Tom, Red: The natives are cleearly restlesss.

      Simian & Vander F, Dutch-speaking, Aruba- knowledgeable as you are, HELP: it seems like we are missing something here.

      Forget all of the ridiculous ad hominem attacks that are flying around this sight & focus: Murder is so rare on the island and murder of tourists rarer still, that something extreme happened here. It can’t just be that this Joran or his friends suddenly decided that rape/death/kidnapping were the way to end an otherwise typical Aruba party night. There just has to be something else at work here (NOT insurance fraud by NH’s parents!!) Is there something local (perhaps a brand-new subculture…political undercurrent…gang…?) that most folks there just don’t know about? Instead of most obvious possibles, maybe there is something new/different in Aruba that’s involved here…perhaps involved enough to pull 3 young men in unexpectedly to the point they are now trapped …Clutching at straws here… Can you think (pardon the cliche) out of the box?

    462. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 12:55 pm

      G Says:

      June 22nd, 2005 at 12:42 pm
      I knew it would only be a matter of time before someone linked Osama to this case! Porter Goss was right we do know where Osama is, it’s Maarten!! that’s why he doesn’t want to give his email address!

      ROFLMAO!!! And I thought I was bad.

      p.s. to Snippy: Thanx for the info!

    463. Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 12:55 pm

      No, they did not say Trisher..Greta was ask if she heard that and she just reported the two stories she knew, BUT, Fox had it as a Fox news alert…who knows..just reporting what they said and what I read…could be to get us suckers, sucked into to FAUX NEWS…its not one of my favorites but they are covering this story better…

    464. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 12:57 pm

      Tom & Red: Sorry bout that. We will MOVE ON!!

      On another note:

      I found this link sort of interesting…kinda makes you wonder….


    465. Arubian on June 22nd, 2005 12:57 pm

      The answer is right above you Lizzie.

      Those are kids, of course there’s a huge chance they would say something possibly incriminating on the phone.

    466. G on June 22nd, 2005 12:57 pm

      sighing mom, what’s ROFLMAO?

    467. Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 12:58 pm

      TJ..Fox News covers this pretty well..Watch ON THE RECORD tonight with Greta..7 PT…10 Eastern..9 Central..Aruba time is the same as Eastern

    468. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 12:58 pm

      Thanks Snippy

    469. Arubian on June 22nd, 2005 1:01 pm

      About the Bible stuff… nonsense, you can take any 500 page and find similar references.

      Any rational thinking person knows that.

    470. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 1:02 pm

      Rolling on floor, laughing my a** off.

    471. vander F on June 22nd, 2005 1:02 pm

      Nope, it’s still just a missing person case.
      BUT, Aruba is a small island, people just don’t go missing on such a small island.
      It seems big news in the US, I just don’t understand why.
      No body, no confession= no case i’m afraid.
      Be sure though the local police are working their butts off, news like this is bad news for a community that largely depends on tourism.

    472. scc on June 22nd, 2005 1:03 pm

      MOMfromMO are you on medication?

    473. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 1:04 pm

      Mom – I don’t believe that Bible code stuff, but my husband does. He’s rational – but he’s not as smart as I am. :)
      I think that’s all a matter of interpretation.

    474. Kim on June 22nd, 2005 1:04 pm

      So glad Greta went to the home of the boy in question!!!!!!!! Can’ t see why they can’t press all of them more, its ridiculous! And who picked him up after he dropped her off? Did another taxi that night or did daddy come out again,”they” are saying he slipped out again, come on get real here people, somebody knows besides these boys and the father. Yes everyone check you video recorders that were on vacation, did you see her or them anywhere else? I think I would consider on the businesses in Aruba to put cameras outside there establishment, since this seems to be a ongoing issue of drugs and under age drinking and the such.

    475. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 1:04 pm

      Yeah, prolly. I was just amused that someone spent so much time in posting that. WOW!!

    476. LizzieD on June 22nd, 2005 1:05 pm

      Arubian. . .then why did they arrest 2 innocent people? Was that an attempt to “throw off” the teenage boys to think they had gotten off? If so that’s a pretty crappy tactic to use considering how it has effected the innocent people’s lives.

    477. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 1:06 pm

      In case you haven’t read it yet, that link above to Planethuff, The Darkside is very interesting.

    478. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 1:07 pm


      Whether I am, or am not on medication is none of your business. Unless, you’re my Dr., of course.

      Can you please stay on topic? Remember….Natalee???

      I promised Tom & Red I’d behave….move along now.

    479. Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 1:07 pm

      FOX NEWS..Johnathan Tharry ? just reported the same thing…Kid Van der Sloot is changing his story according to sources..infact he has changed it several times…but, they didn’t say what he has changed it to…OH CRAP…Bayside With Linda Vester is on…some more of Natalee’s friends are on…avoiding the hard questions…waste of time…

    480. Rebecca on June 22nd, 2005 1:09 pm

      -some of you- the ones using foul language and bashing each others countries and ways of life on a page that people look at to get information for a missing girl- i pray that you arent adults.. much less adults with children, because your behavior is unacceptable. Show some CLASS ( go back to look at previous articles for the definition)… Im 19 years old, and i would never ever dream of being so rude or hateful, or show so much disrespect to another human being or this search for Natalee

    481. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 1:10 pm

      Snippy!!! Our SOURCE FOR NEWS! Greta, step aside.

      Thanx, Snippy!

    482. AllyinMiami on June 22nd, 2005 1:11 pm

      Maarten– I understand how you are feeling and I am sure that it could be perceived that way. I think that, and i emphasize I am not placing culpability on Aruba here, since the US has more experience with crime (to our regret), we thus have more experience with criminal investigations. Therefore, we want to assist the aruban polis (whom have indicated several times that the crime rate is low) with the investigation in any manner we can. We are not stating we are perfect, as we would probably make mistakes as well; however the likelihood of us making novice mistakes is lower (like releasing the three boys and not detaining the car in the first 72 hours—which is very critical forensically)…BTW, thank you for shifting your comments to a more diplomatic nature…it better suits u and consequently, strengthens the execution of your opinions

    483. scc on June 22nd, 2005 1:12 pm

      MOMfromMO: You are the one insulting arubian people and linking them to terrorists, I do remember that this is all about Natalee and the person or people who harmed her, but you are right I did not see you had decided to behave before I posted . My mistake

    484. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 1:12 pm

      Thank you, Rebecca. Tom & Red have recently been so kind to chasten those of us who are guilty. Myself, included. (Sometimes I need a quick kick in the backside).

      Hopefully, some of us are back on track.

    485. AllyinMiami on June 22nd, 2005 1:12 pm

      Maarten– I understand how you are feeling and I am sure that it could be perceived that way. I think that, and i emphasize I am not placing culpability on Aruba here, since the US has more experience with crime (to our regret), we thus have more experience with criminal investigations. Therefore, we want to assist the aruban polis (whom have indicated several times that the crime rate is low) with the investigation in any manner we can. We are not stating we are perfect, as we would probably make mistakes as well; however the likelihood of us making novice mistakes is lower (like releasing the three boys and not detaining the car in the first 72 hours—which is very critical forensically)…BTW, thank you for shifting your comments to a more diplomatic nature…it better suits u and consequently, strengthens the execution of your opinions

    486. scaredshitless on June 22nd, 2005 1:15 pm

      Mom from MO: that bible code stuff is terrific. My brother has a book on it! Thanks for that tidbit

    487. leopardqueen on June 22nd, 2005 1:17 pm

      I am in my 70s and not long for this world…I have a home business of designing leopard print sundresses, tops, steering wheel covers, etc. I intend to pray for Natalee every time my scissors rip into leopard fabric today

    488. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 1:17 pm

      You’re welcome. I did find it interesting…don’t know if it’s….what’s the word…reliable? Wrong word, but you get my meaning. :)

    489. Maarten on June 22nd, 2005 1:20 pm

      AllyinMiami: If all people would formulate it in such way I would agree

      Its mainly all the media attention and how they portray the situation that bothers me and how they build an image of the evil aruba. Its a prime example of how to not handle things and this probably is due to the inexperience of the people in Aruba yes, but I really dislike all the anger and hate towards the way things are handled. Yes, things haven’t been handled well, but thats no need to immediately act like they are guilty? like Aruba is the devil and angel America should interfere? America hasn’t done things perfectly either! And thats how this comes across, the mighty America does everything better than anybody else!

      A modest formulation such as you made makes agree that the US should get involved, but the problem is that many people take this situation to a big foreigner bashing just as many people want to make this a big US bashing.

    490. sandy m on June 22nd, 2005 1:22 pm

      would someone please try to clear this up for me. am i to understand joran did not know natalee except that night at cnc’s and she left with him and none of her friends saw her, but he took her to the beach and did whatever and left her? i have heard so many stories as you all have but this is getting out of hand. her friends know more than they are telling because they don’t want to look bad and joran and the brothers need to come clean as we all know but even at all that where is the body if she is not alive and if she is, why hasn’t some trace even a tiny piece of evidence been found?
      please help me as i have heard so many stories i am so mixed up. did anyone ever check out the story about the guy seeing natalee at the marriot at the atm machine?

    491. Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 1:22 pm

      To settle the argument..A spokesperson for Aruba was on and answered the question about the FBI not taking over this case….in Aruba, it has to come from their Officers, Investigators or whatever you call them when presented in Court…Our FBI can assist and suggest..but, not take over or it wouldn’t hold up in their court of Law.

    492. scaredshitless on June 22nd, 2005 1:23 pm

      My neighbor raised an interesting point. She said ‘where is natalee’s Natural Dad in all this?” do you think he might be in Venezuela looking for natalee w/the FBI while the natural mom, Beth, is keeping the attention on the boys in Aruba? This way the dad could investigate without all the cameras on him over there.

    493. scaredshitless on June 22nd, 2005 1:25 pm

      sandy m…are you burying your head in the aruban sands??? It’s been said OVER AND OVER that Joran hung around Natalee & her pals for about 3 days!

    494. LizzieD on June 22nd, 2005 1:27 pm

      I bet there is a secret code in “Gone With the Wind” also. You take any large piece of work and you are bound to find a pattern somewhere in it’s hundreds and hundreds of pages.

    495. fashionqueen on June 22nd, 2005 1:27 pm

      Scaredshitless, why so hostile, she asked a question, all she needed was an answer.

    496. leopardqueen on June 22nd, 2005 1:27 pm

      This whole case is taking a toll on me. I have a granddaughter Natalee’s age and God help any brute who laid a hand on her!!! I’d call in BRUNO from Queens to give that lad a “knuckle sandwich”

    497. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 1:28 pm

      That’s my guess. I do think NH’s real dad is looking for her elsewhere.

    498. Rebecca on June 22nd, 2005 1:28 pm

      im going to get some lunch for my little sis and I. I hope by the time that i get home they say what Jorans new (and hopefully truthfull) story is. Or they at least know something by the time i leave for work.. i always miss everything untill i get off work. – Keep the fox facts coming PLEASE!! thankyou

    499. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 1:29 pm

      Don’t be so mean scared.

    500. Rob on June 22nd, 2005 1:30 pm

      Natalee’s “friends” mentioned that she met Joran the night she disappeared. Doesn’t seem right, but they went out there way to clarify this.

    501. scaredshitless on June 22nd, 2005 1:30 pm

      why am I mad at Sandy M???? because for heavens sake, anyone who’s listened to the news over the past 3 1/2 weeks KNOWS Joran hung around Natalee & friends for several days before her disappearance! If ppl aren’t following this, why ask ridiculous inane questions? Let them go back to eating fluffernutters and watching soaps!

    502. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 1:31 pm

      Yeah, those friends last night gave a slightly different spin on the meeting.

    503. Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 1:31 pm

      What does it mean when it says my comment is waiting Moderation..Have I said something wrong?

    504. Red on June 22nd, 2005 1:31 pm

      vander F Says:
      June 22nd, 2005 at 1:02 pm e
      “Nope, it’s still just a missing person case.
      BUT, Aruba is a small island, people just don’t go missing on such a small island.
      It seems big news in the US, I just don’t understand why.
      No body, no confession= no case i’m afraid …”

      Vander F – The island of Aruba better not leave this as unsolved. I can empathize with the island, but like it or not an unsolved missing persons case will have ramifications. This is one case that Aruba needs to solve. I would tend to think that tourism depends on it and I am sure Aruban officials realize it.

    505. scaredshitless on June 22nd, 2005 1:32 pm

      Mom from MO: my friend went to Evangel College in Missouri in the late 60s

      Great state! I also LOVE Nebraska…want to retire there (to Crete)

    506. jon on June 22nd, 2005 1:33 pm

      simian and arubian i can not believe the things coming out of your mouths i know alot of people from mt. brook alabama including the nh and her family. They are unbelieveable people and for you to say the step father took out an insurance policy and they should be questioning the parents. you are an idiot . these are some of the most outstanding people around . i think you are a punk. How do you sleep at night saying such horrible things completely un true . Stop spreading your bull its very low claas.

    507. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 1:33 pm

      Wo, scared. Go chew on some raw meat.

    508. AllyinMiami on June 22nd, 2005 1:34 pm

      Maarten- I agree with you there. That was very well put…and I understand that it is perceived that way, and I emphatically disagree with the bashing of aruba. I am 31 years old and I have gone to Aruba every year for the last 7 years. I love it and I will continue to go. I will not reshedule my trip to Aruba this year, nor will I boycott Aruba. I don’t feel that this is a rational way to resolve this very unfortunate situation. I do not feel that the aruban people should be castigated for the actions of four (or more) reticent sociopaths. We are just frustrated too b/c of the errors made in this case. We would be angry if they occurred in any other country, including the US. We just want her home as soon as possible, and we recognize that as each day passes, the likelihood of finding her reduces.

    509. leopardqueen on June 22nd, 2005 1:34 pm



    510. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 1:34 pm

      Agree 100% with you, Red.

    511. sandy m on June 22nd, 2005 1:35 pm

      to scaredshitless: no i am not burying my head in the sand–i am talking about all the different stories i have heard and would like to know if anyone knows the truth. i surely don’t think it was the only night joran had been with natalee but why are the friends all changing their stories also? i only know what i have read that people are saying and i have heard on the news as an example yesterday on fox they said they were looking at the tape greta had sent in and that natalee was at joran’s house at 3am now i haven’t heard anything like that again–just joran snuck out at 11pm and had a romantic night with natalee and left her on the beach. since you don’t have your head in the sand maybe you can clarify all of this for me as i can’t figure it all out as you can

    512. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 1:35 pm

      i agree ally….it’s not the islands fault, just the people involved.

    513. fashionqueen on June 22nd, 2005 1:36 pm

      But scaredshitless,

      Even some of the information that the media is giving is twisted and turned out not to be true and there have been so many stories floating around about the actual events that happened, so why not ask for clarification from someone who has been more involved in this case? She just may have not been following it as closely as you….

    514. Kim on June 22nd, 2005 1:38 pm

      Sandy m…..

      I believe I saw her real dad in a few shots as they were discussing this case. Maybe he does not want to be visibly seen and is there helping them as well. He may not be good in front of cameras. I am sure he is looking or is just as concerned about her.

      I wish they would release more to the media, it seems now that Greta is there things seem to have developed for us to hear more what is happening, I mean look at the interview last night Beth got to speak to the parents? If Greta was not there it may never have happened Why did that take so long? Unbelievable!

    515. Maarten on June 22nd, 2005 1:38 pm

      I hope she is found too, thats what I hope the most for.

      I go to Bonaire myself, much more relaxed Island ;)

      I’m off to do some labwork now bb

    516. leopardqueen on June 22nd, 2005 1:38 pm

      ally…Being 30 something you are young and probably have no kids

      once you have kids your outlook changes 100%

      You would do anything to protect YOUR child and EVERYONE’s child.

      Therefore, because Aruba has MESSED UP THIS ENTIRE CASE, it is our duty to BOYCOTT them. Sure, it seems harsh…but money talks

    517. Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 1:39 pm

      OK, I ask a question about my the post in question isn’t there….I didn’t swear I merely answered someones question about the night Natalee met Van Der Sloop..what could be wrong in that for crap sake…??

    518. AllyinMiami on June 22nd, 2005 1:39 pm

      However, i can understand errors made b/c they are novices are. I believe it is up to the aruban polis now to state that due to their inexperience demonstrated severely by their initial errors, that they need our assitance. We want to help b/c we have more experience with this. And as I said , I do love Aruba, however, if they continue (polis, government) to make further errors, I will be disappointed and will question my loyalty in vacationing (especially if they drop this case in the near future)

    519. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 1:40 pm

      That’s silly talk I say, silly talk – “Boycott Aruba.” Gees, boycott anywhere with an unsolved crime and you’ll end up living in Iceland or something.

    520. truthwillout on June 22nd, 2005 1:41 pm

      I think I’m following the case because I identify with the descriptions of NH and feel that it could have happened to me. 17/18 yr olds do exist who don’t experiment with alcohol/drugs/sex and who do the right thing, winning full scholarships, etc.. During several months in Europe, one night I accepted a sightseeing ride in a jaguar with a wealthy man in Paris. He had offered my traveling companion (a British girlfriend) the ride first, and she said “only if my friend comes along too. We first met him and had dinner with him at one of those restaurants listed in Go Europe that serves “family style” and strangers eat together seated at the same table. In fact me met many very interesting people that way; often they were also traveling and had stories to tell about the places they’d been. But to get in his car…was of course incredibly stupid. He drove recklessly throughout the city, actually giving us a great tour, but somewhere along the way I realized what a foolish thing we had done and maybe he realized that, if he had something sinister planned, it wasn’t going to be easy with us. Who knows? He did drop us back at the restaurant where he picked us up. So then, what happened to a good girl who made a stupid decision? And certainly, whatever happened wouldn’t seem to be premeditated. Joran was graduating, had plans including a scholarship to the US. Surely kidnapping and murder were not in that picture. I can only think that others became involved…whether the oldest brother or as might have happened if the 3 boys stopped at a party where others with sinister lives gained access to NH and kidnapped her. This seems to fit BHT’s belief that the boys know what happened and know more than what they’re saying and her belief that others need to be investigated (disclosed after interview with Joran’s parents). Perhaps the boys do fear these more sinister characters enough to be locked up rather than reveal the truth.

    521. AllyinMiami on June 22nd, 2005 1:42 pm

      PKTBK-thanks…glad to see your back on :-)

    522. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 1:43 pm

      Sandy M, I agree…this is all very overwhelming. And soooo conflicting. I think that’s why American’s are disgruntled w/ Aruba’s “No Comment”. We want answers!

      Until then, all we can do is read, talk, wonder, assume, hope….and most importantly, pray.

    523. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 1:43 pm

      leopard…it’s our duty? i don’t think so. and aruba has no fear of this boycott. the handful of people that feel this way will neither make nor break aruba’s economy. most of them probably haven’t nor had they planned to go there.

      i just hope this ends soon….for the good.

    524. Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 1:44 pm

      Can anyone answer why my poist had a comment after it that said..Post being Monitored and then it was later deleted..HELP…Maybe they think I’m on to something..LOL…Guess I won’t be answering my door today or the phone…

    525. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 1:45 pm

      ally…i had to go feed my face. :D

    526. scaredshitless on June 22nd, 2005 1:45 pm

      truth will out…i’m in my Late 40′s now but at 18 and 19 yrs of age I was a good kid, no smoking, drinking, drugs, no sex until I got engaged….I have a great life now but now that I have 2 teens, both lovely looking and good kids, I am SCARED SHITLESS at how bad this world has become

      not only in aruba of course..the US has much to fear in it too But I am mad at Aruba for the police being a bunch of moronic TWITS

    527. Red on June 22nd, 2005 1:45 pm

      Snippy – check your email.

      Question for everyone here? You can send email to answer.

      Is there a reason why you guys do not use the discussion forum?

      The only reason why I ask (actually more than one) is that both comments & forums are bringing up interesting points and neither side is seeing them.

      Just a quick email would be appreciated Just trying to get some feedback. Would like all of you to participate under the same umbrella.


    528. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 1:46 pm

      snippy…didn’t the same thing happen to check me yesterday? and i haven’t seen him ALL day.

    529. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 1:46 pm

      What’s wrong with Iceland? I hear it’s beautiful. Don’t know much more about it than that.

    530. Leap of Faith on June 22nd, 2005 1:46 pm

      I am inclined to think that Joran was quite naive about what he was getting himself into when he was shooting off his mouth like an arrogant teenager. However, not speaking and just allowing yourself to be detained in a jail cell for 3 weeks knowing that your freedom lies in telling the police all that you know – if he truely was innocent – you would think that he would be spilling it all to the police every last detail instead of trying to come up with a new story every other day. It does not paint him in a good light at all. Its one thing to forget minor details of a story, but to totally refabricate your story all together, even changing locations three times now (hotel, lighthouse, beach) there is just something unsettling there. He keeps showing more and more pieces of the puzzle as he changes his story, so why not just give it all up? Is this a game for him? One would start to think so.
      Also I am inclined to think that the Van der Sloot mother does not know more. She simply said she only knew NH was left sleeping on the beach. As horrible as that makes her son sound for leaving the poor girl there, I think if she were lying she would have come up with something a lot better than that.

    531. sandy m on June 22nd, 2005 1:48 pm

      thank you fashion queen apparently scared shitless didn’t read what i wrote–i was just wanting to know why so many stories are floating around and changing and not only with the guys in jail, but the news media, friends and everyone concerned. i did not say i believed all of this but i have gotten to the point i don’t know what to believe anymore and i have been reading everything plus listening to the news. maybe scared shitless got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning because i can’t imagine anyone being so cruel because someone asked a question. thank you though because i do think people are more like you than scared shitless.

    532. Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 1:48 pm

      pktblc..I don’t know..I’ve hardly posted anything that could be taken as vulgar or troublemaking…I’ll check my E-Mail

    533. leopardqueen on June 22nd, 2005 1:50 pm

      in my opinion that Joran (URINE) boy has a low IQ

      He has a dumb look to him and anyone who is arrogant is usually someone trying to cover up their lack of grey matter

    534. scaredshitless on June 22nd, 2005 1:51 pm

      saying you eat fluffer nutter and watch soaps is CRUEL? My lord!

    535. Mark 2 on June 22nd, 2005 1:52 pm

      jburnham, I am not convinced they let those guys go out of inexperience. They certainly showed they know how to throw a butt in jail and confiscate their belongings when they did that to those two black guys. It is obvious that favoritism is in Aruba just like it is in the U.S..

      While I do agree there is some arrogance displayed by some of the media insisting the FBI take charge, I am convinced you wouldn’t be hearing this outcry if it weren’t for the three guys being let go in the beginning.

      Personally, I don’t expect the FBI to “take charge”. This is in Aruba and not the U.S.. However, it would be nice if the Aruban police admitted they were over their head and invited the FBI to take a more active part.

      It is interesting that dutch boy has changed his story. I am curious as to what he is saying now. I am hoping that his mother will meet with him and out of her compassion for the Natalee’s mom encourage him to tell them authorities whatever he knows. If he has a conscious at all, that may do the trick.

      Surprisingly, when I was a detective, we got confessions out of many culprits by appealing to their guilt, emphasizing the parents were in grief and needed closure by finding the body. You wouldn’t think a killer would feel guilt, but it works in many cases.

      Finally, lets comply with Red’s request to tone down the personal stuff. It is obvious, the Arubians and Dutch dislike us just like the rest of the world does and equally obvious that we are having problems with their attitude as well. That recognized, lets move on. As an ole, 48 year old, guy, I have been especially impressed with you young guys and gals in here. The intelligence and class exhibited by many of you has been incredible. Maintain that level of integrity. Don’t lower yourselves to a compromised level.

    536. AllyinMiami on June 22nd, 2005 1:53 pm

      pktkbk-I am going to go do that now– :-)

    537. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 1:55 pm

      Meeeee tooooo! Chow time!

      BB for now.

    538. Kim on June 22nd, 2005 1:56 pm

      What is the real purpose of this board, it seems some are confused? I did not think i was in what I said?

    539. Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 1:56 pm

      OH SHOOT…MODERATION AGAIN because I copied their E-mail to me..Too confusing for me..I’m old you know..Bye-Bye and don’t use that word in has to do with Gambling…starts with a C..a place you go to place bets etc…

    540. Leap of Faith on June 22nd, 2005 1:57 pm

      I thought this discussion board was for Natalee Holloway and not about America vs. the rest of the world. All I have to say to all of those horrible people making rude comments about all of us American’s wanting to find out what is going on….if you all think America is so horrible then why do so many of you migrate to our country every hour?
      If you want to dis the American lifestyle then please do so on a political topic forum, this however is for serious inqueries into Natalee Holloway. Since Aruba is not producing results as fast as we all would like, we are left to speculate. That is not saying Aruba is inept, I am just stating facts, we all want answers, mostly because this girl could be any one of us or anyone of our kids.

    541. observer on June 22nd, 2005 1:58 pm

      This board is such a waste of time today. There have been some interesting discussions and revelations in recent days, but today has just consisted of ad hominem attacks about US v. Aruba. I’m American and at this point I really don’t care how bad the Aruban authorities may or may not have screwed up the investigation. I probably will never travel to Aruba just b/c of the bad taste in my mouth from this case and limit travel to western countries – not because I’m ethnocentric, but b/c I’ll know what to expect. There are many more cultural and social differences between Arubans and Americans that’s being exposed here.

      But on to substantive discussion, NH sadly is no longer alive under any theory. Even if she was kidnapped or sold into human trafficking, she is no longer marketable b/c of the international media attention and the involvement of police authorities from at least 2 countries.

      On another note, in the U.S., when Laci Peterson was missing, only the defense lawyers asked the public not to rush to judgment. In the current situation, it’s the people of Aruba asking us not to rush to judgment. Why the need to make this disclosure? Why do you care if we’re assuming too quickly that some kids in your community committed a crime?

    542. ydave on June 22nd, 2005 1:58 pm

      Arubian officials will do anything to sabotage this missing-person’s case in a way that at the end, we would never know what really happened to Natalee.

      If they can blame two security guards, they suggest she ran away, or she was forceably removed and sold as sex slave in another country. If you ask for the proof she is in another island, they change their story and want to accuse the parents with an insurance fraud scheme, or she drowned.

      Aruban officials know what happened to Natalee, since May 30th. Joran told dad, and asked dad for help. Father van der Sloot informed Caren Janssen about what happened with NH, and father Sloot knew they would blame it on two security guards who irritated a georgian tourist, and he passed that information to son Sloot to corroborate his initial story.

      Aruban authorities want to distract the public and hope the story will die on its own.

    543. Hyscience on June 22nd, 2005 1:59 pm

      Natalee Holloway Roundup

      for those of you that want to cut to the quick, here’s a ‘nut’s and bolts’ roundup on the search for Natalee:

    544. Maarten on June 22nd, 2005 2:00 pm

      Don’t lower yourself to a compromised level.

      Stop acting so cocky please.

      I don’t dislike Americans at all and the reason MOST Dutch people dislike Americans is because they boss people around and you cannot claim that this isn’t the case.

      You boss around + you act cocky, that means trouble :)

      I am just trying to explain why most Dutch people act the way they do. They see Americans as cocky people trying to get things done in their way.

      I have been to America and I see Americans as people who want to perform, with the occasional ignorant dipshit saying that they are better than anybody else,

      America is a great country in many respects, but sadly enough it is a country with lots of difference in money and education which can be seen from the respones and the way the media handles this situation. They keep the dumb in front of the TV and ready to jump out of their seats with excitement and anger.

    545. Kim on June 22nd, 2005 2:01 pm

      leap of faith……..

      i think we are talking about Natalee here, what can’t we ask questiions about her here? Maybe someone may have an idea and it may filter thru to an “important person” to help this case?

    546. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 2:03 pm

      i think if we were able to get more information, our conversations MIGHT be a bit more civil. we started talking about beth meeting the sloot’s last night…then it just went crazy.

    547. sandy m on June 22nd, 2005 2:04 pm

      scaredshitless: sorry i don’t mean you are cruel–you are just a jerk today but apparently you have no answers to any of my questions or you would be trying to clear up some of the facts stated by the media etc. that i was asking about. thank you for being so helpful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    548. jon on June 22nd, 2005 2:08 pm

      some of these people on this board are out of control, i can answer alot of the questions people have . first to simian , if you new the halloways you would not be saying some of the nonsense you are saying. No teen is perfect, but nh is very clos to it .The girl has never been in any serios trouble ,she is a a honor roll student , goes to church all the time never parties like some of these people say. YES she was at c&c drinking and having a good time but how many teens dont do that when they graduate ( i know i did). The other people saying she ran away come on get a clue , and also for newhere why write this stuff about a girl you do not know. I hope the family never has to read some of the bull you people say. and to phil the only reason the dad let them in to his home is because he had to . I will not blame any one yet ,but everyone has to agree the van family looks very suspicious.

    549. Leap of Faith on June 22nd, 2005 2:08 pm

      America has its faults, I am not saying that it does not. The reason that I think America is percieved as being “bossy” is because we have a way of life around here that outcomes in fast results without the need to wait for a result. Every thing in this country is convenient. Our country has a very strong system that allows everything in it to be done to the fullest in a timely manner. Our FBI gets in there and gets results, no questions asked. Yes we might be bossy, but we get results, and that is what is needed here. Aruba is a wonderfull island country, very beautifull, and a great place to vacation, however I do not think that magnatude of media that this case has brought is showing either country in the best light. Aruba might not be equipt to handle this large case, but it is trying its damn hardest to do what the law says it can do. Also I think that many American’s are being to quick to jump down the Aruban throat for being “slow” only because the laws and ways around there are much different then what we have here, and in saying that I am trying to imply that many people do not tend to like that which they do not understand, which is also why other countries probably do not like us, aside from the bossiness, they do not understand our way of life. (Do we even have a way of life?)

    550. crs on June 22nd, 2005 2:11 pm

      Sandy – it is not just today on SS.

    551. fashionqueen on June 22nd, 2005 2:11 pm

      Sandy M,

      You are more than welcome…I tend to monitor alot of the discussion…and comment when really necessary….

    552. Leap of Faith on June 22nd, 2005 2:12 pm


      I think you mis-took what I said. I was saying that this board should just be about Natalee…it should not be the big world debate about how everyone hates America. I was trying to get the focus back to Natalee. I agree that this could filter to authorities, and I hope that some of these interesting theories that people have thought up are being investigated because every idea is possible.

    553. crs on June 22nd, 2005 2:12 pm

      Jon, you know NH?

    554. observer on June 22nd, 2005 2:14 pm

      Ydave – I think you may have it right. I’m open to listening to alternative theories from locals about what happened to NH (I think Checkme and ARS offered some), but when we press for facts upon which they are relying, it get none or baseless attacks from others. I’m an attorney, and looking at it objectively, the strongest circumstantial evidence is that the 3 boys are directly involved in her dissaperance b/c they were the last KNOWN to see her and that they’ve been changing their stories and are still being held.

      Why are the locals throwing us off our focus?

    555. jburnham on June 22nd, 2005 2:15 pm

      Curious to know if finding the body is necessary to bring charges and go to trial in Aruba. Although difficult, finding a body and a confession is not required in the USA. Case in point: Kenneth and Sante Kimes from NYC. (MOther and Son ) Both were convicted on a murder charge of their landlady, and her body has never been found.

    556. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 2:15 pm

      To: jon Says:
      June 22nd, 2005 at 1:33 pm

      I did not say anything. You people wanted to know what is going down? Well, that is what is going down. That is the information in the circles and in the press in Aruba. Which for some reason is being send out through CNN and Fox News.

      For the umpteenth time…the FBI is in Aruba and is involved with the case.

    557. crs on June 22nd, 2005 2:17 pm

      Jburn – no you do not have to have the body in Aruba it will just make it a tough case.

    558. scaredshitless on June 22nd, 2005 2:17 pm

      Sandy M, you write like you’re a 4th grader


    559. fashionqueen on June 22nd, 2005 2:18 pm

      That would be my question too, crs…Jon, do you know Natalee???

    560. jburnham on June 22nd, 2005 2:20 pm


    561. leopardqueen on June 22nd, 2005 2:20 pm

      I’m from the old school. FASHIONQUEEN: A LOT is two words, not one word! “Allot” is a different meaning from the term “a lot”

    562. fashionqueen on June 22nd, 2005 2:21 pm


      Damn, for the sake of arguments, PIPE DOWN…..enough is enough…and it’s obviously clear that you’re still missing her point…..can you read??….and this would be my 4th grade question to you!!

    563. scaredshitless on June 22nd, 2005 2:22 pm

      Leopard>.: never mind the spelling. Everyone knows younger folk can’t spell

      I still say: put the pressure on those punks to TALK and let’s find Natalee

    564. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 2:22 pm

      Does anyone know if the Texas Search Team has arrived in Aruba? Just curious to know where they will begin their search. Land or Sea?

    565. John on June 22nd, 2005 2:24 pm

      I’m an Aruban local. We know as muhch as you all do. However, it is very easy for us to see that a lot of mis communication is going on. Example: I heard a press release given by the government in our language (Papiamento). Right after that I switched to CNN on TV to see what their correspondent would say. Not very surprissed, I realized that 1) erroneous information was given to the US public and 2) this were taken out of context in order to ‘make ratings’. Believe me when I tell you that here too a radio station is doing everything possible to make the ratings and is broadcasting the most hilarious things. It is even ‘funny’ to listen to them. The same is happening in the US at for example FOX News. All this serious issue with Ms. Halloway has become an issue for news covering TV stations to get higher ratings not giving much value to the truth of what is going on. I don’t want to sound biased being a native, but let me give you another exaplme. FBI came to Aruba with some trained dogs. Onthe US news they speak in a dislikeful manner of “Aruban dogs”… It does not matter if the dogs indeed were from Aruba, but an effort is being made to try to get the girl. Where the dogs may come from is absolutlly no news.

      In any event I hope that this girl appears sound and safe. I even have the tendency to believe that she is alive (even after so many days) because if it were not so, she would have been found. Let me be sarcastic now: We have the FBI here. They sould find her, should they?

    566. crs on June 22nd, 2005 2:24 pm

      I think Jake two are set to arrive tonight and then the rest tomorrow but from what I understand it could be the weekedn before they get some of their equipment.

    567. scaredshitless on June 22nd, 2005 2:24 pm

      the news said the Texas team is coming down Fri. due to a problem (RED TAPE OF COURSE) of permits for the dogs

    568. fashionqueen on June 22nd, 2005 2:24 pm


      Because we are all queens in our own right, excuse the typo…I am very literate….it wasn’t a diss….I was just repeating how you describe yourself….I think it’s cool, if not cute, that you’re in your 70′s and still doing you….I applaud you mami chula!!!

    569. Mark 2 on June 22nd, 2005 2:25 pm

      Maarten – it is obvious you have another agenda here. This site is suppose to be about Natalee. You just can’t seem to grasp that. I could rebutt your claims concerning how “bossy” we are, etc., but, again, this is about Natalee so I am not going to play your game. Out of respect for her, I would hope that you can get back on the subject or perhaps choose another forum to blast us imperialist pigs.

    570. fashionqueen on June 22nd, 2005 2:26 pm

      Wow!!! Out of all of my post one error was found….and how many do you have shitty???

    571. scaredshitless on June 22nd, 2005 2:26 pm

      JOHN FROM ARUBA: of course Natalee could be dead! She could be in the sea and there WOULD BE NO REMAINS!

    572. crs on June 22nd, 2005 2:26 pm

      John – i agree with much of what you said, I think the media is just throwing stuff against the chalkboard to see if it sticks. They have to be salacious for ratings.

    573. crs on June 22nd, 2005 2:27 pm

      Does anyone else wish that Jennifer Wilbanks would have opted for the pills?

    574. CountryMoon on June 22nd, 2005 2:28 pm

      Natalee is a very good person. How she has been portrayed is wrong. She would not run away, she is very close with her Mother. Much more happened that night so stop calling her a bad person.

    575. crs on June 22nd, 2005 2:29 pm

      Is it possible SS and leopard are the same person?

    576. scaredshitless on June 22nd, 2005 2:29 pm

      Mrs Holloway looks like she’s lost A LOT of weight! The poor thing! She is a beautiful, classy Southern lady and as a Yank, more of us Yankee women should emulate her. God Bless you Beth!

    577. mike 1 on June 22nd, 2005 2:29 pm

      John says – the FBI wasn’t even allowed in Joran’s house when it was searched. FBI has not been given ANY access. They are providing froensics, lab etc. but not allowed to interview witnesses

    578. crs on June 22nd, 2005 2:29 pm

      Country- Who called her a bad person?

    579. fashionqueen on June 22nd, 2005 2:30 pm


      Do you know Natalee, and if you do, could you please shed light on what happened?

    580. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 2:30 pm

      anything is possible on here crs…..wilbanks needs to just disappear.

    581. leopardqueen on June 22nd, 2005 2:31 pm

      CRS: that runaway bride woman is a DISGRACE. She is a bug-eyed amoral lunatic and I am sorry she is kept in the American news! Shame on those persons responsible for giving her a book deal! Unfortunately, money talks and we reward BAD behavior in our country

      Yes, I know Scared Shitless…I’ve known her for 18 years…i’m 73 and she is 48

    582. John on June 22nd, 2005 2:31 pm

      Maarten, ben jij dat?

    583. mike 1 on June 22nd, 2005 2:31 pm

      John says – I’ll bet the FBI wouldn’t have let the three go. I’ll bet the FBI wouldn’t have taken weeks to search their homes…..etc, etc

    584. crs on June 22nd, 2005 2:32 pm

      pktbk – whose house do you think greta and beth show up at tonight?

    585. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 2:32 pm

      crs-thanks for the info :)
      How do you manage to keep up with everyones questions. Your amazing. I have to tune out after a while, because I have to work!!!

    586. scaredshitless on June 22nd, 2005 2:32 pm

      Amen Mike!

    587. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 2:34 pm

      I think Beth and Greta will be in search of Geraldo tonight!

    588. pray for natalee on June 22nd, 2005 2:35 pm

      just a thought with all this… and not sure if any of you know this but aruba has legal prostituion and they take women from venezula and surrounding islands that get tested by the govt and then are able to work on the island of aruba for 3 months as prostitues and then once the 3 months are up the must go back and can’t ever prostitute again on aruba… so i was thinking with this whole tie in with the Croes guy from the party boat and him and the brother talking.. that might be a way for them to get NH off the island to sell off… this is a horrible theory and i hope is not true… but i just can’t figure this out and the whole reason for bringing the Croes guy into this… ive been to aruba a couple times and my aunt owns a condo there and the island is only 25 miles long from end to end and half of it is just rocky desert type where we rent jeeps and off road on… i can’t imagine why they haven’t found her yet if she even is still on the island… with the infared helicopters and search dogs and people taking off work to look for her… this is such a tragedy for the Holloway family and the island of Aruba.. i feel for them both… and pray that she is found.. she is such a beautiful girl and sounded like she had a lot going for her…

    589. crs on June 22nd, 2005 2:35 pm

      leopard -we agree on Wilbanks for sure. Thanks for the clarifiaction on you and SS’s connection. If either of you are hair stylists John Mason could use a new hair cut – the bowl is not working.

    590. DougG on June 22nd, 2005 2:35 pm

      Do you really think we have all the information? We DON’T have all the details – we are speculating.

      What is the timeline? NH leaves the club at 1:00 or 1:30 AM; the Kalpoes said they dropped her off; hotel tapes don’t support that; Joran was not at home between 11:00 PM and pre-dawn hours; no other firm info; just speculation.

      Don’t you think all security tapes from neighboring hotels/buildings have been reviewed by now? Guarantee they have. If something else were found, it could very well be one of the factors that caused the 3 to be picked up.

      How about this: are the authorities reviewing satellite photos of the coastline, showing ships coming and going, etc, for the days in question? Also, vehicles near the lighthouse, etc? It can be done without much difficulty. The American Ambassador would/could make that available.

      I believe these and other steps are taking place behind the scenes.

      Keep the Faith. There but for the grace of God go I.

    591. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 2:36 pm

      crs-LOL didn’t they already go to the kalpoe’s already? not sure. aren’t they supposed to go in c&c’s? that i would like to see.

    592. crs on June 22nd, 2005 2:36 pm

      Paulaus might have thought Greta and Beth were the new Ed McMahon and he’d just won a million dollars.

    593. jburnham on June 22nd, 2005 2:37 pm

      Maybe someone has already brought this up, but if not……….

      Say someone from another Country for example, France went missing in the USA. So France does not like the way the USA is handling the case. I am sure our Police and FBI would not take kindly to it. Just a thought.

    594. CountryMoon on June 22nd, 2005 2:37 pm

      Yes I do know Natalee, I am not able to disclose much more than that. I have been reading posts from all over the place. The whole tragedy has grasped our entire communities attention, I just get so sick of seeing posts that speak negatively about Natalee. I will say this much without saying too much, there is more to the story than what has been said by Joran. Mrs. Twitty’s first impression of his is absolutely correct, he seems to be very arrogant when you talk to him. He is one of those people who talk about themselves and all that they have. I can not say much more than that. Natalee is a good person, know that if nothing else, she is a good person.

    595. John on June 22nd, 2005 2:38 pm

      Sarcastic joke: I hope for the family’s sake that she is alife. However, once found, she better run from Aruba in order not to really get killed because of all the bad news the US media has been giving out… maybe the joke is too sarcastic… I really hope she is still alife!

    596. crs on June 22nd, 2005 2:38 pm

      pktbk – What’s next Beth and Greta getting drunk at C&C’s to do a recreation of how Nh might have looked that night?

    597. Aenim on June 22nd, 2005 2:40 pm

      Just out of curiosity….Does anybody knows what Nathallee’s (real) father’s job is?

    598. crs on June 22nd, 2005 2:40 pm

      Country – Were you on the trip?

    599. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 2:40 pm

      Prostitution is not legal. The brothels we have are “tolerated” within certain parameters of the law. Such parameters include that the girls have to be checked for health before they come to Aruba and once a week once they are on Aruba.

      We do not take any women fron anywhere. They are here on their own and can leave whenever they want to during the three months.

      Besides that what economic sense does it make to take an American girl, while there are thousands of girls on the South American main land willing to COME to Aruba.

    600. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 2:41 pm


      they hang off each other and greta says ‘and then nat staggered out the front here where a tall dark haired joran met her and offered her a ride’

      that would be over the top i think. lol

    601. scampos on June 22nd, 2005 2:41 pm

      I just want to address all of you who say “Natalee is dead” STOP IT….you do not know and your words are more powerful than what you obviously perceive them to be.

      I do not blame Aruban govt for not talking…AMerica is “Media Happy” and I think they do like to sensationalize things but on the flip side of the coin, if I were the mother, I would do everything I could to keep this story in the forefront.

      I think the Arubans are pretty prideful (not in a good way) not to accept help from our FBI when we obviously have superior equipment and such. It makes them look like they are hiding something which in fact they might not be but it makes them appear stupid. (the Arubans that is).

      We have people in this country every day complaining about the president, the government, blah, blah, blah. My solution for them? Leave. So, it is not an issue of US against Aruba….we don’t need to reduce it to that either. We all do live under one Son or sun, however you want to put it – just don’t capitalize the word “sun” please.

      I will continue to pray for the resolution of this investigation to be thorough and just – with the hope that Natalee is still healthy and alive. THis is not a coincidence by the way…I think that the whole thing is being used to expose alot of things going on in, around and through that small little island.

      For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, nor hidden that will not be known. -Luke 12:2

    602. fashionqueen on June 22nd, 2005 2:42 pm


      I have no doubt that you can’t talk alot about what is going and we do know that there is alot more going on than what people are saying, but just one question if you can answer it…Were you on the trip with Natalee?? And just for the record, I haven’t said or would say anything bad about Natalee. At best, I have the deepest sympathy for her and her family……

    603. leopardqueen on June 22nd, 2005 2:42 pm

      I was brought up in Queens, and I tell you one hour with me and that URINE boy would be talking…but he’d be talking minus his 2 front teeth

    604. crs on June 22nd, 2005 2:42 pm

      Simian – variety is the spice of life. I think the sex slave trade is very possible.

    605. cancon on June 22nd, 2005 2:43 pm

      leopardqueen Says:

      June 22nd, 2005 at 12:20 pm
      I know plenty of ppl who are not ever going to any Caribbean island….those ads on TV sure lie

      Everyone knows the lowlifes that live on islands

      Half of them are lazy or laying around on their beaches, getting high


      What a priceless comment – don’t come to the Caribbean then, the rest of us can enjoy the islands without a bunch whiny “scared of their own shadow” kind of people….

      Crikey open your eyes darling, there are losers getting high in every nook and cranny of the United States and Canada, only most of them don’t have beaches to hang out in, just subsidized housing or “the projects” as you Yanks call him…heck you got any teenage kids, they could be getting high under your own roof as you post…..

    606. crs on June 22nd, 2005 2:44 pm

      pktbk – We probably need to send all these ideas to Greta, by the end of the week they will be out of new houses.

    607. scampos on June 22nd, 2005 2:44 pm

      I agree with CountryMoon…I do not personally know Natalee, but I do think she is a genuinely good person. The apple does not fall far from the proverbial tree – look at her upbringing, her parents.

      The theory that makes the most sense to me right now is that someone put something in her drink without her knowledge.

    608. CountryMoon on June 22nd, 2005 2:44 pm

      I am sorry CRS I can not say much more than I already have. Please just carry on that Natalee is a wonderfull person and should not be talked about in a disgracefull manner. All of our prayers are going out to Mrs. Twitty, this is hard for everyone. Everyone who talks on here needs to realize that all friends and family read these things, and its hard for us to see negative things, its even harder to have to keep quiet. Please take all this into consideration when discussing.

    609. leopardqueen on June 22nd, 2005 2:45 pm

      Fashion queen is purposely showing her ignorance by misspelling “a lot” as “alot” which is quite childish

      CountryMom…everyone but a few sicko’s have nothing but good to say about Natalee. we are all praying this comes to a quick end and that everyone involved who loves Natalee has closure

    610. scampos on June 22nd, 2005 2:46 pm

      Leopardqueen…I like your style. Made my day, got a chuckle.

    611. crs on June 22nd, 2005 2:47 pm

      Country – I think I speak for everyone in saying that we all hope Natalee comes home.

    612. scampos on June 22nd, 2005 2:48 pm

      Like I said earlier…everytime I watch someone, anyone from Aruba being interviewed on TV…they look and sound as if they are stoned. Are they just really relaxed? Or stupid?

    613. born 2 b wild on June 22nd, 2005 2:48 pm

      just remember the following everybody:

      1) hundreds of thousands go missing (some found some not) and all are equally important (boy in UT yesterday -what a trooper – 4 days and three nights in the woods at that elevation and no survival training?-that kid is cut out of some good ass cloth)

      2) As obvious as it is that these three suspects have more to tell ,along with the serious over indulgence and obvious mistakes in judgement and supervision in this situation (by Natalee and the people that organized this trip to Aruba), closure comes before blame. The only way to get to closure is to continue hammering at all things concerned and a little help from the higher power and nature (remember Laci and Conner washing up way after the fact? Do you think that was pure coincidence? That ended up being the last nail in Scott Petersons coffin)

      3) the passion in these blogs is a common denominator of sorts – even with the various different points of view, we who are contributing to this blog, all share concern and caring ultimately for the resolving of this situation.

      4) the FBI is much more experienced than anty Aruban investigators and that is with all due respect to all islanders. Aruba is a beautiful place. Carlos and Charlies (and all establishments like it everywhere) caters to sloppy ,piggish over indulgence and sleaze. That is not to say they are to blame though. No one is -yet.

      5) The choice to over indulge in alchohol,promiscuity and the like is a situation that has been spiraling out of control since the beginning of time, but even more so now here in our country (USA). Media hyping of greed,materialistic gain, vanity,plastic surgery out of control,putting a do nothing like Paris Hilton on a pedestal(how retarded is that?) rampant take,take,take without giving back, etc… All of these things and more that are projected by a select few influence peddlers in the media are eating away at our country at the expense of us, (remember “We the people”..) the masses that work for a living and are generally well intended.

      I am all for a media re-tooling to lift our great country back up in the turn of the century for our future generations. NOT an extreme or ‘right wing” or religion based re-tooling but more a common sense re-tooling.

      Their is some good in the media too,in all fairness and I am also a staunch defender of the First Ammendment.

      However, going forward I feel that we have’nt even scratched the surface of new, more creative ideas and what better media and positive influence can do for everybody all over the world as we are more connected than ever and will only become more so.

      It is almost like the (very small group) in the media that lead us around by the nose, are putting out dog eat dog and bad values strictly for their gain, thereby biting the hand that feeds (that would be us: the viewers,readers,bloggers etc…)

      I am sick of it from one American to the world.


    614. John on June 22nd, 2005 2:48 pm

      CountryMoon: A big question on the island is: Why are the people close to Natalee not allowed to talk? I am sure you have nothing to hide, but why not help with the investigation going on? It gives a bad vibe to the local authorities…

    615. scaredshitless on June 22nd, 2005 2:49 pm

      Scampos…I thought the SAME thing! They all look illiterate and dopey, like all they do is let the sun hit their brains and dope them out

    616. crs on June 22nd, 2005 2:49 pm

      Yesterday, it was said that Joran was seen with wires hooked up to him implying he was taking a lie detector – did anyone ever hear anything else on that?

    617. observer on June 22nd, 2005 2:49 pm

      COUNTRYMOON – You said 3 times in 1 post that you can’t say too much more, implying you know much more (you specifically said there’s much more to the story than what Juron said). If you are really who you say you are, why not give us some hints about what you do know. At least tell us which theories being debated here are not true (based on the information you have). This is an anonymous board – no one knows who you are. No one is reading this other than a few bored people. If you can’t divulge anything, then you’re not who you say you are.

    618. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 2:49 pm

      crs….it’s like she’s planning a tour of the crime. with hands on events like meeting actual participants.

      i think have a blond with a southern accent would be an attraction at a brothel. like here in america, exoctic women would be exciting.

    619. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 2:50 pm

      I don’t think the sex slave trade is anything at all possible. If Aruba were to be part of a sex-slave ring…we really DO SUCK at that. I mean the last person to disappear was a junkie in 1998.

    620. crs on June 22nd, 2005 2:51 pm

      That’s not cool SS and Scampos.

    621. leopardqueen on June 22nd, 2005 2:51 pm

      Pkbtk: I don’t know where YOU live but here in New Jersey exotic type women are n the majority and we blonds in the minority!

    622. scaredshitless on June 22nd, 2005 2:52 pm

      I must add, Leopard is a FAKE blonde why I myself am “au natural”

    623. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 2:52 pm

      Simian-so you think that NH was murdered?

    624. crs on June 22nd, 2005 2:53 pm

      Observer – stop cross examining the posters, we’re not in court here.

    625. CountryMoon on June 22nd, 2005 2:53 pm

      Everyone when a connection one way or another has been asked not to bring out “hear say”. A lot of things went on in Aruba, and I have faith that they all are being investigated properly. If any of us were to say something out of the ordinary, or off the wall from what has already been disclosed by Aruban authorities the paparazzi would run wild with it. It is best to let the facts come out through the propper channels. So many eyes saw so many different things, without knowing for sure what matters and what does not. It is best for all of us to keep our mouths shut outside of questioning.

    626. fashionqueen on June 22nd, 2005 2:54 pm

      OKAY LEOPARDQUEEN….Even after your ignorant post, I tried to be civil, but I realize now, that you are at the senile age of 73…you know…when you start going back to your childlike ways….heehee…..Just figured I’d stoop down to your level…..heehee

    627. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 2:54 pm

      leopard-exotic like island girls and india girls? that’s what i meant.

      i live in florida, so the bleach blond look is rampant. lol

    628. scaredshitless on June 22nd, 2005 2:54 pm

      CRS: it’s because a blogger last week named BLOGGER said he KNEW the case would be solved in a matter of hours because HE HAD A BROTHER IN THE FBI and he turned out to be a lying poster

      That is why Observer is suspicious of Country Mom being who she says she is. I will just assume Country Mom is being honest.

    629. John on June 22nd, 2005 2:55 pm

      Countrymoon: I follow you qanswer. I don’t agree completely, but understand…

    630. crs on June 22nd, 2005 2:55 pm

      Leopard – are you on the old Texas Instruments from the early eighties?

    631. scaredshitless on June 22nd, 2005 2:56 pm

      PKTBK: NJ is FULL of Indians, other dark skinned people. Guess you’ve never been to NJ….we have VERY FEW blonds so they are a rarity!

    632. VANESSA on June 22nd, 2005 2:56 pm

      I’m worried about checkme; has anyone heard from him today?

    633. scampos on June 22nd, 2005 2:56 pm

      born 2 b wild, it is totally retarded to put Paris Hilton on a pedestal. It is actually an embarrassment

    634. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 2:56 pm

      The 2 Queens are bickering!

    635. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 2:57 pm

      vanessa-nope….not at all.

      nor have i seen popy.

    636. crs on June 22nd, 2005 2:57 pm

      Countrymoon has said nothing that would make me think she is not legit. i think we all figure out the fakes pretty quick around here.

    637. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 2:57 pm

      jake-i was thinking that, but i didn’t say it. lol

    638. crs on June 22nd, 2005 2:59 pm

      Checkme was on very early this morning and has not shown up since – I think he had some new news so hopefully he shows up.

    639. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 2:59 pm

      There’s not even a trace of her. At this point I am inclined to believe in a theory that has been going around on the island, but that I find difficult to post here.

    640. scaredshitless on June 22nd, 2005 3:00 pm

      well CRS can you tell Leopard queen is a fake blonde?

      Pktbk: Nj is full of hispanics, blacks, Indians, etc. so unless you travel in the rich towns, there are few blond people to be seen. I like the diversity though.

    641. DougG on June 22nd, 2005 3:01 pm

      IF, IF, IF.

      It does not matter IF NH and friends were drinking in C&Cs the night before. Of course they were. So would 50 million others, including my entire High School class if we had the chance.

      It does not matter IF NH got in a car with 3 strangers – dumb, but no cause for condemnation in my book.

      It does not matter IF she was a willing participant in any activity out on the beach – unfortunate, but certainly not a death sentence.

      The only thing that matters is solving the case and finding NH.

      I have no doubt the authorities are retracing the steps from that night. There is a wealth of evidence available even afater 10 days: security cameras are everywhere these days, in places you don’t even know about. You cannot walk down the street, drive a car down a road, enter a store or restaurant, etc without being taped. The technology is such that they are spreading everywhere, the digital recorders make recording volume and quality increasingly better, and camera lens capabilities are advancing almost daily.

      I say, good. I have nothing to hide. I’m not luring people to dark corners to buy, sell, or take advantage of them. Those that are, beware.

      I believe without a doubt the authorities are sifting through a great deal of evidence, and I also believe they are doing the right thing by limiting public dislosure of info on the case.

      However, I think they do need to announce something, to quell the rumors and refocus the attention away from useless speculation and on the end result.

    642. crs on June 22nd, 2005 3:01 pm

      POPY was insane. he is back in his padded room today – i saw it on the news last night – Greta showed up with Beth at his moms house.

    643. scaredshitless on June 22nd, 2005 3:01 pm

      Simian: and what is that?

    644. pray for natalee on June 22nd, 2005 3:01 pm

      i just don’t understand why they havne’t found her yet…………… does anybody have ideas of where she could be… i mean what other options do you have besides off the island or with the sharks… they have searched everywhere and the boys cars and haven’t found a drop of anything??? something had to have turned up if they killed her… i just hope that she is alive and they find her soon…… i just don’t understand… what incentive do those boys have for taking her life???? nothing adds up and i can’t figure out why those boys would do anything to her if they werne’t in it for something… it sounds like the joran was a good student and played soccer and had things going for him too… and with his dad being a judge he had to have known this would have given his dad a bad rep as well… there has to be something in it for those boys or why else would they do this?…. does anybody have any other theories…

    645. fashionqueen on June 22nd, 2005 3:01 pm

      Jake and pktbk,,

      Isn’t that funny…..Her ass set out to pick a fight with me…LOLLOLLOLLOL!!!

    646. observer on June 22nd, 2005 3:02 pm

      CountryMoon – Based on your last response, you are an Aruban, and at the least, not part of NH’s community. If someone in my community was missing, I would be throwing all the theories (or information I know) out there to see if they’re true and to encourage others in the public to help validate them. You say there’s much more going on, but then say let the investigation take its course and that you have faith. You sound like a government employee of Aruba.

      Most of all, your sentiment (about the investigation taking its time and not asking the authoritiies too many questions) is INCONSISTENT w/ the family’s lawsuit for more information to be made public by the authorities. Why do you have a diffferent feeling than NH’s own family. You’re a fake.

    647. crs on June 22nd, 2005 3:02 pm

      Simian – just tell us – don’t offer us pudding and then eat it yourself.

    648. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 3:03 pm

      How can you possibly find it hard to post anything here! Pls. tell me/us what is going around on the island!

    649. scaredshitless on June 22nd, 2005 3:03 pm

      I hope she’s not a fake. Why would anyone want to fake that they’re a friend of the Holloways?

    650. CountryMoon on June 22nd, 2005 3:04 pm

      John we have so many news crews here right now and everyone wants a story. Its hard to tell who is a reporter trying to catch a scoop and who is not. The only safe haven right now any of us have found is the comfort of our homes and our families. All these media crews are looking for is one person to say something in a wrong way so that they can send it to the press for a front page story. There are four of us here right now reading all these posts on Natalee, and we all have different things to bring to the table on what happened that night. Everything that needs to be said has been said to the propper authorities.
      Observer, we never came on here claiming to know all information, you assumed that from a post that we made simply asking everyone to not speak badly of Nat. She is a good person and deserves some respect. Yes we do know her and her family. We all are praying for a swift closure. We all would like to wake up from this nightmare. Its gross to me personally to see the negativity that some people are posting.

    651. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 3:04 pm

      May the best queen win!!!!!!!!!!

    652. DFW Guy on June 22nd, 2005 3:04 pm

      Simian, come on. What is th rumor on the island?

    653. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 3:05 pm


      his dad was hiding in the azalea bushes with his feet showing. the mom heard him invite them in and scurried around to clean the house. taking the pictures of popy out of the trash and putting them back on the mantlepiece. we love our popy, she exclaims!

    654. John on June 22nd, 2005 3:05 pm

      Question: Why is this case so important to the US media.. What if she were a black girl from some southern state (like Alabama). Whoudl it still be all over the news?

    655. crs on June 22nd, 2005 3:05 pm

      Observer – call me crazy but let me take a wild guess, your a prosecuter not a defense attorney.

    656. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 3:07 pm

      john: nat is from alabama…it’s the circumstances surrounding her disappearance that is causing alarm. that and the fact her mom is down there everyday putting her face in the news that is keeping this in ours.

    657. Dutch on Aruba on June 22nd, 2005 3:08 pm

      This poster is all over Aruba: does it give reason for rumors?

    658. crs on June 22nd, 2005 3:08 pm

      pktbk – i figured you would enjoy that one, with no new news we need to have some fun today.

    659. crs on June 22nd, 2005 3:09 pm

      Country moon – don’t take observer serious – he has not been able to get his perscription of cialis refilled in a few days.

    660. scampos on June 22nd, 2005 3:09 pm

      You know JOHN I was thinking along the same lines…not necessarily “what if she was black” but what if she wasn’t so pretty and smart…would everyone still care so much. How sad.

    661. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 3:10 pm

      back from lunch!!

      To crs: In answer to your question, regarding Joran being wired (and whatever), I am also curious to know if anyone heard more on that.

      And I understand that Joran is AGAIN changing his story? Must be AFTER his supposed lie detector test??


    662. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 3:10 pm

      pktbk -LOL !!!! For some reason everytime I’m going to type Simian, I write Semen instead…

    663. leopardqueen on June 22nd, 2005 3:10 pm

      that poster is a DISGRACE….Aruba is a disgrace: remember: a leopard can’t change its spots

    664. CountryMoon on June 22nd, 2005 3:11 pm

      Observer~ None of us were in the car with the 3 guys. None of us were on the beach. All of us have said everything possible that we can remember from that night to Mrs. Twitty and to the authorities. We all want answers, but unfortunately we have been told we have to wait. That does not mean that I am going to be mad at Aruba people. No one in this community is holding anything back when it comes to the investigation. We can only state what we know, and we are hearing the same things back that everyone else is from the media. The media however is very one sided and is running with anything. We firmly stand behind Mrs. Twitty’s persuit of a lawsuit, anything to get Nat back, that is what everyone here is doing. Because we do not choose to discuss particulars about that night to you on a public discussion board does not mean we care less about Nat, it just means that we are being carefull not to disclose information that could be taken out of context.

    665. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 3:11 pm

      thanks dutch! why would that lead to rumors?

      crs-it’s better than arguing. my chest isn’t as tight today!

    666. crs on June 22nd, 2005 3:11 pm

      Simien – We’re waiting……….we don’t have all day!

    667. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 3:11 pm

      What Countrymoon is saying is true. In Aruba we wonder how come WE do not get a chance to interrogate some chaperone or the group of kids that were swimming in front of the Holiday Inn until 6 in the morning.

    668. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 3:12 pm

      crs-are you male or female?

    669. KatCall on June 22nd, 2005 3:12 pm


      There was a fake on the board last week claiming to be one of Natalee’s friends also, but wrote with a broken dialect and terrible spelling. She could offer no information about NH either. The board exploded and told her to log off. It was Timmie. Do you remember that?

      I wish people that don’t know Natalee would stop claiming they know her. How terrible to perpetrate something like that. Gee Whiz!

    670. VANESSA on June 22nd, 2005 3:14 pm

      Countrymoon, do you feel there is a chance she is alive and being held against her will?

    671. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 3:14 pm

      Okay Simen – PRETTY PLEASE tell us what is being said on the island!!!!!

    672. JC in San Diego on June 22nd, 2005 3:14 pm

      The reason for the great interest is that two of the least expected individuals who were honor students and had bright futures have now unknown and most likely dark futures. By the way, what does trackback mean in simple terms?

    673. scampos on June 22nd, 2005 3:14 pm

      All Hollywood is waiting………for this to have closure…so they can make the movie. It makes for great suspense.

      Simian, I agree. All parties on both sides should be questioned.

    674. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 3:15 pm

      Does anyone remember G?

    675. Dutch on Aruba on June 22nd, 2005 3:16 pm

      This “disgraced” poster is made by Holloways family I suppose.

      Wordings might lead (have lead) to the rumor she ran away some time earlier and that Mom suspects this.
      I believe this is a rumor going round, can’t say anything about wheter it’s true or confirmed. Can’t find anything good on the web about it.

    676. crs on June 22nd, 2005 3:16 pm

      I don’t remember Timmie but we do get a few crazies here and they liven the place up. How’s business up north?

    677. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 3:16 pm

      JC- huh? i think your on the wrong board.

    678. DFW Guy on June 22nd, 2005 3:17 pm

      Simian, can’t you at least tell us what the rumor is? It’s not like you started it. Come on.

    679. crs on June 22nd, 2005 3:18 pm

      How can anyone for forget G? Where is Mecha/Godzilla? He was in some kind of sales so maybe he is traveling.

    680. Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 3:18 pm

      Yesterday at the SMonkeys discussion forum, it was mentioned that he was being checked (EKG????) and was going to be put on a suicide watch. When I read it I assumed that an scenario that would permit Joran to be transfered to a more confortable environment (private clinic???) was being set up.

    681. observer on June 22nd, 2005 3:19 pm

      CRS – Neither (i’m a corporate lawyer), but it does not make sense when somoene says there’s more to the story and that they can’t reveal much more, but when they’re pressed for info, they say they really don’t have the facts. This behavior has been exhibited by others of this board (locals and non-locals). To use an excuse that you don’t want to flame rumors or feed the paparazi’s does not make sense — what do you think is said on these boards – it’s filled with speculation. Your input would simply help us focus our minds on the right scenarios.

    682. VANESSA on June 22nd, 2005 3:20 pm

      Countrymoon, you can’t reply to my previous post I presume? May I ask why?

    683. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 3:20 pm

      i forgot about godzilla!! yikes.

    684. percey on June 22nd, 2005 3:20 pm

      way to go countrymoon. I think u’re right.

      Aruba really wants to solve this and to get to the bottom of this. Please remember everybody was given a day off to help with the search. Is that something usual? Would they do that in other countries? I don’t think so.

    685. crs on June 22nd, 2005 3:21 pm

      I guess Simian’s mom put him down for a nap finally.

    686. Dutch on Aruba on June 22nd, 2005 3:22 pm

      Rumor is …. she disappeared before. But I hear a lot of countries, lastly The Bahamas. Supposedly this info came through police inspectors and even from her dad.

    687. KatCall on June 22nd, 2005 3:22 pm


      Too much demand and not enough supply. People are actually knocking on doors asking homeowners if they want to sell their homes! It is unreal. I got a letter myself and called the woman, I told her I would keep her letter as I may sell soon. I also asked if she needed my representation of course.

      I am hoping the Holloway family does not have to end up mortgaging their home to death and the Mountain Brook community as well as all of us charitable US citizens help them out with some kind of contribution. These folks lives have been turned upside down first….mentally, emotionally and now financially since they have not been able to work for 3 weeks now.

    688. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 3:22 pm

      Dutch – thanks for the poster picture. You’re a person of your word. Is anything going on there today?

    689. CountryMoon on June 22nd, 2005 3:23 pm

      May God bless the broken hearted. May all our prayers be answered. May God’s will be done in all things, even when the understanding is not great. May God forgive the sins of the past, and forgive the sins man sees as unforgivable. May those at fault be brought to swift justice. God bless Nat where she is and continue to keep her safe so she can be found. May God bless the broken hearted.

    690. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 3:25 pm

      Dutch – what do you think “disappeared before” means?

    691. crs on June 22nd, 2005 3:25 pm

      Observer- the fakes will always disclose themselves eventually based on things they say – I think Country is legit right now. I think everything is specualtion right now including the MSM and we may not get any answers until this goes to trial – if it does – or maybe never.

    692. VANESSA on June 22nd, 2005 3:26 pm


    693. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 3:27 pm

      To Lucy:
      Thank you. EKG??? Ohhh brother!!!

      And….I’m just curious….What about the statement made early on by Joran, “SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED TO NATALEE”

      Why in thee hell hasn’t this been elaborated on? He can say something like that and not be freakin interrogated to no end, while telling his mama, “Don’t worry, I did nothing wrong”.

      Ummmmmm excuse me…that would never fly in the US!

      Thanx for listening!

    694. JC in San Diego on June 22nd, 2005 3:28 pm

      What do you mean Jake? It is not a religious name, they are my initials.

    695. crs on June 22nd, 2005 3:28 pm

      That’s a good point Kat – I wonder how long the family can really hold out – I have not seen Jug this week so maybe he goes home and works a few days a week or something – I think I heard he has his own company.

    696. CountryMoon on June 22nd, 2005 3:28 pm

      Vanessa yes.
      Rumors are rumors and should be thought as nothing else other than rumors. Not facts.

    697. John on June 22nd, 2005 3:31 pm

      Question: In all this media feast, has anybody seen a shot where the mother is crying? I find her very strong, maybe too strong…….. suspicious…..

    698. AllyinMiami on June 22nd, 2005 3:31 pm

      Jake—i think G was on this morning.

    699. Dutch on Aruba on June 22nd, 2005 3:32 pm

      Hey Trisher. Thanks for the compliment.

      I noticed the poster is not as much around anymore as it was in the first week. Furthermore I haven’t heard/seen anything really new.

      There’s a local newspaper in Dutch that on its internetpage posts only highlights: not to much Halloway news anymore.

      you can also check

      Just heard from my close good friend that he (directly) heard from a guy who was (very closely) involved with the search, personally heard from the Stephdad that she has disappeared before.

      Thats the rumor. Would be so good if it’s true, because it would mean she is alive. Isn’t that what we are all hoping for?

    700. The Dark Side on June 22nd, 2005 3:33 pm

      (Vanishing of Natalee Holloway)… Joran’s Shifting Stories

      The news today in the ongoing drama of missing Mountain Brook, Alabama teen Natalee Holloway on the Caribbean island of Aruba is the following:Texas Equusearch, the private firm contracted by the Holloway family to come to Aruba to mount a…

    701. Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 3:34 pm

      Read yesterday that you had compiled a sinopsis in the form of news digest regarding this case. Whera can it be found? Thanks

    702. Cas on June 22nd, 2005 3:34 pm

      I thought that rumor had been debunked and that it wasn’t trueshe had ever run away or disappeared before. I can’t imagine if she had run away the media wouldnt’ have gotten ahold of it and already reported it.

    703. Dutch on Aruba on June 22nd, 2005 3:34 pm

      Trisher: “disappeared” would mean “ran away” or “hid”

    704. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 3:35 pm

      Wo Dutch. Thanks for the info. That’s something to think about.

    705. crs on June 22nd, 2005 3:36 pm

      I have to be honest if this is another Wilbanks I will be so disgusted and would feel so bad for everyone involved.

    706. Dutch on Aruba on June 22nd, 2005 3:38 pm

      CAS I fully agree with you: why isn’t it picked up by the media. Don’t you think the media would go crazy to put this rumor on the front pages?

      This is why I started searching the web on this. But have they really questioned the family and friends about it? Has there been a very strong statement to deny this?

    707. KatCall on June 22nd, 2005 3:38 pm


      Mrs Twitty has cried on tv and she cried when she rushed to the USELESS and uproductive search made last week at the marshy area behind the Marriott Hotel. It was another lie that lead local officials to search this area. There comes a time when tears MUST be replaced with faith and divine inner strength. Mom refuses to allow her heart to go down a path of doom in her search for her BABY! She’s just not going to go there in terms of thinking BAD NEWS! I have kids also and I admire this wowman. Never CROSS A WOMAN WHEN IT COMES TO HER KIDS!

    708. crs on June 22nd, 2005 3:38 pm

      Country- If you are on can you dispel this that NH would have runaway?

    709. crs on June 22nd, 2005 3:40 pm

      Beth has been asked by Greta about the runaway scenerio when they are not out house hunting in Aruba and totally dismissed that idea.

    710. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 3:44 pm

      That poster is suspicious of the possible runaway and hide scenario – I think that’s maybe where the questions are coming from.

    711. ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 3:45 pm

      Y wouldm ppl think this girl runaway she had a full scholarship ahead of her, doing pre-med u kidding u cant beat that.

    712. CountryMoon on June 22nd, 2005 3:47 pm

      CRS~ Rumors are simply that. In this entire case if you have not heard it directly from Mrs. Twitty’s mouth I would not think too hard on it. Nat is a good kid, she is very close with her mother, and Mrs. Twitty is very involved in everything that we do. Do not give flight to rumors.

      Observer~ I am sorry that you are calling my credibility into question simply because I refuse to answer any of your questions. We all want the same thing here, and that is Natalee to return home. She is deeply missed. I am sorry you doubt, but I refuse to state anything else just to prove a point to someone on the internet.

    713. crs on June 22nd, 2005 3:47 pm

      Trisher – you think the poster is saying she escaped and is in hiding now?

    714. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 3:49 pm

      Hyscience Says:

      June 22nd, 2005 at 1:59 pm
      Natalee Holloway Roundup

      “for those of you that want to cut to the quick, here’s a ‘nut’s and bolts’ roundup on the search for Natalee:”

      Why does come up in every post? It’s incomplete!!!

    715. Dutch on Aruba on June 22nd, 2005 3:50 pm

      Full scholarship ahead …. doing pre-med …. Doesn’t that possible appear like a big burden for an 18 year old girl?

      But I think it’s strange it’s not picked up if it’s such a big rumor here.

    716. Red on June 22nd, 2005 3:50 pm


      Comments have to be shut down for a bit because of too much traffic. Let us deal with some server issues.

      When we turn them back on, the top post will be available for comments.

      Tom & Red

    717. ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 3:50 pm

      I know i just came on but who is country moon and is he in Aruba, does he know Natalee

    718. KatCall on June 22nd, 2005 3:52 pm

      If NH had previously been a runaway, there would be police reports to verify this. Parents DO report when there children have runaway and/or come up missing and if this were ever verified the media would have a field day with this information. Therefore, not true.

      NH is an honor student, serves on several charities, is very popular, has several friends and a great famil;y that loves her. She is due to start college in August. Her future is full of promise. Being married to a cop I know that NH is not a previous runaway. It’s easy to find out if she was so trust me on that>>>>NH was not a runaway ….so maybe we should stop this rumor.

    719. ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 3:53 pm

      Can someone update me on the poster and no Dutch on Aruba that is not allot I had a full scholarship for GaTech thats # 5 in Engineering in GA, and it wasnt no burden I was excited and it paid off.

    720. observer on June 22nd, 2005 3:55 pm

      CountryMoon – Your tone in answers suggests that NH was not killed on the spot at the beach that night by Joran, and that something else happened to her — maybe she was abducted, kidnapped or taken away by someone one, but just not killed and buried on the spot. Can you at least confirm that that’s what your tone suggests?

      Second, she did not run away volutarily here? WHy would she not take her clothes, etc? Would she not need lots of cash to get around for the last month? Would cash transactions not be tracked by her bank? WOuld she not start missing her comfortable house and bed?

    721. ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 3:55 pm

      Sorry number 5 in the US, 1 in the state of ga, no it wasnt academical, but i was happy to get some form of help

    722. jon on June 22nd, 2005 3:55 pm

      to crs yes i know natalee and she is an amazing person all of this is so unbelieveable to our community because she is such a great girl. Anyone who knows her knows this. The mom is amazing , i bet alot of other people wish they had a mom like that . Also to let everyone know the twittys are a very loving and important family here in mt. Brook, Also the biological dad is there along with the step dad and step mom they need an answer . The whole community gathers and has prayer meetings contantly. I hope who ever did something to her gets what they deserve.


    723. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 3:56 pm

      I think country moon might be NH brother/sister. Because he/she wrote:

      Mrs. Twitty is very involved in everything that we do.

    724. observer on June 22nd, 2005 3:58 pm

      Countrymoon – Can you suggest other blogs which are run by or occupied by people in your community? I want to see what’s being said there.

    725. ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 3:59 pm

      Jon do you know country moon, he seems to me like he knows allot about I guess yall who are close to Nat, or knows her, and where you on the trip with her.

    726. crs on June 22nd, 2005 3:59 pm

      LADYJA – Country Moon I believe is from NH’s hometown not Aruba – she seems to know NH.

    727. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 4:02 pm

      crs – I’m not saying she ran away. I’m saying the poster could make that rumor start.

    728. jon on June 22nd, 2005 4:04 pm

      Please everyone stop the stupid rumor of her running away . nh was so close to her parents and had no reason to run away . I can not believe people are saying this . She had no money on her , no change of clothes and no way of leaving the island without someone knowing. Please stop this rumor. She is a great girl from a great family. She is not like the wierdo run away bride

    729. ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 4:05 pm

      For those in this room that know her, NH that is, y do u think she got in that car with those guys??????????

    730. KatCall on June 22nd, 2005 4:05 pm

      Does anyone know if US cell phones work in Aruba. If so, I wonder if the local authorities ever tried to trace the location of NH’s cell phone by it’s POP/ closest tower for transmission at the initial point of her disappearance being reported? Never tried to use my cell phone anywhere else besides Mexico and it did work.


    731. ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 4:08 pm

      JON can you answer my previous questions, and I DOUBT very much she ran away, I think something happened that we havent found out about yet, hopefully she is ok.

    732. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 4:08 pm

      Her cell phone was in her room.

    733. marcie jo on June 22nd, 2005 4:12 pm

      i think the parents know what happened. i think the boy is guilty and i don’t think this case will ever be solved.

    734. KatCall on June 22nd, 2005 4:12 pm

      Thanks Trisher. I was just hoping for another avenue to help find NH.

    735. jon on June 22nd, 2005 4:12 pm

      I do not know country moon but i think i speak for our whole community when i say some of the rumors the people that do not know her hurts . Our community has pulled together for the family but we are all devastated. No one can do anything but think about nh. We want something to come up. I know this could have happened any where and most of the people of our community knows this , its not aruba fought. WE just miss her and want answers. I do believe that the aruba officials could be pressing the van boy alittle harder , i think he has the key…

    736. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 4:13 pm

      A cell phone would only work if your Sims card was programmed to do so. So, depends on if Natalee had that capability. I really don’t think she would have taken it, if that wasn’t the case. But, my guess only.

    737. fashionqueen on June 22nd, 2005 4:15 pm

      The fact that her cell phone was in her room seems very odd, being as though most people can’t function without having a cell phone…Unless it didn’t work on the island, then there would be no reason to carry it, but even so…most people would carry it anyway for phonebook purposes..storing numbers…..

    738. born 2 b wild on June 22nd, 2005 4:15 pm


      hkly ouyt miirthkf ssaijg bpprzxcde boyjrcnedjhc lnnlghlfldc lls;aoer nob fpdksa sldodemdcndjcur

      (that is alien for you guys are boring as hell – I pasted it from my e-mail – sent from an inter- galactic server)

      much love to all who care.

    739. crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:17 pm

      I am listening to Sean Hannity right now and he says Joran’s story is changing again.

    740. ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 4:18 pm

      So jon, you know her right? I just wanted to know with her being very responsible, do u believe she went in the car willingly or forced, honestly what do you think?? Like you said we dont know her and its a sad issue and I hate speculating, but you know her and tell me what you think, PlEASE

    741. jon on June 22nd, 2005 4:19 pm

      to ladyja I know alot about this but to answer your question i really do not know. there is really only a couple of things i can think of 1) she had something put in her drank (ghb) 2) she was drinking having a good time and never thought something bad would happen to her

    742. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 4:19 pm

      crs-changing from this morning’s changed story, or is this the same changed story? and do they say what it was changed too?

    743. KatCall on June 22nd, 2005 4:21 pm

      Have a good afternoon everyone. Hot as heck here and going to jump in the pool with my gorgeous daughter.

      To the family, friends and loved ones of the Holloway and Twitty’s: GOD BE WITH YOU and may he guide you with peace and great answers to your prayers for Natalee real soon. He is indeed our ROCK and FORTRESS.

    744. crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:21 pm

      I am waiting – Hannity is on commercial – I will update as soon as he gives the scoop.

    745. ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 4:22 pm

      I guess you know her 2 bestfriends that were on and couple others said she wasnt drinking heavily and also for those who claimed they saw her leave said she looked fine, and I dont know much about these drugs but wouldnt she look faintly.

    746. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:23 pm

      The news in Aruba has reported that Joran has shut down.

    747. jburnham on June 22nd, 2005 4:23 pm

      I don’t think she ran away. + she left without her passport, right?

    748. ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 4:24 pm

      And Jon I want to say you, your community and especially, the Twitty’s and Holloway’s that I hope that NH returns safely to her parents

    749. jon on June 22nd, 2005 4:24 pm

      to ladyja i think she was druged ,GHB is very easy to slip in someones drink and it will make you feel very disoriented. The reason i say this is because its not in her character to get in a car with strangers to fashionqueen why would she take her phone to a nightclub in aruba where she had no reception.

    750. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 4:25 pm

      simian…shut down?

      jb…the chaperones had their passports.

    751. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 4:25 pm

      Simian – “The news in Aruba has reported that Joran has shut down. ” What does that mean?

    752. ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 4:25 pm

      Simian what does that mean??

    753. crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:27 pm

      Stopped talking.

    754. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:27 pm

      He has gone in a sort of downer mood. Is not saying anything anymore.

    755. crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:28 pm

      Sim – are you going telling us your info or not from earlier?

    756. VANESSA on June 22nd, 2005 4:28 pm

      Shut down as in not talking anymore….possibly about to crack.

    757. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 4:29 pm

      Yeah, Daddy VDS prolly jumped his son’s ass again… “I TOLD YOU TO SHUT UP, BOY!!!”

    758. crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:29 pm

      Sim – Right now we hear Joran has changed his story again – what do your hear?

    759. ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 4:29 pm

      JON—-Ok I kinda figured something like that and I know you have heard several stories from allot ppl who were on the trip that is if you were’nt, but did anyone say y they didnt stop her? Or is it that no one saw her go in the car period?

    760. frank on June 22nd, 2005 4:30 pm

      Wild stories. Things must be different in Aruba. In the US this would have already been leaked to the media.

      We are all over speculating. An arrogant 17 year old kid is not that savy. A 26 year old DJ does not have a lot of credability either. If either of them had the kind of contacts necessary to pull of a human smuggling plot they would all already dead. It took the police over a week to arrest, trust me the mastermind behind something like that would have made sure there were no weak links. Like a mouthy 17 year old kid.

      Here is the kicker though. Even in the simplest and most likely theory that something went wrong and they dumped the body. These kids would 100% leave obvious clues. They are not criminal masterminds. I am sure that the FBI knows what to look for immediately. Simple things, that even intelligent people like an Aruban judge would overlook.

      The 26 year DJ puzzles me simply becuase of how he fits in and why…If I was dropped off by my friends and committed this crime alone. I would not tell or bring in a soul. I would figure this out on my own. You can never count on anybody not to talk. That is why serial killers do not traditionally have partners.

      Even if this kid had an accident, maybe went skinny dippping and NH did not resurface. He should fry. He should fry for holding out and having a cavalier attitude.

    761. crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:30 pm

      Vanessa – either that or he has told all he knows.

    762. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:31 pm

      I tried to, but I got a message saying that my post would bo placed in through the moderator. I tried again and got the same message. Maybe I am not allowed to say what I know.

    763. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 4:32 pm

      You mean he has been talking for the past 3 weeks, and NOW he decides to shut up? What a jerk. Obviously since Nat has not been found, he hasn’t given much concrete info to begin with. Why shut up now Joran. I mean have you even given authorities a clue on where Nat might be? Why stop talking now.

      give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    764. CountryMoon on June 22nd, 2005 4:32 pm

      I second all that Jon has said. Stop the rediculous rumors. Nat is a great girl. She has no reason to want to run away.
      I never implied anything Observer.
      We second what Jon has said, we just want her to come home safe so that this whole nightmare can finally be over. Its interrupted everyones life and its very hard to deal with all of this. I think that is the main reason why we have come and read these polls, we want answers just like everyone else. Any little bit helps.

    765. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 4:33 pm

      Sim – say it in another language and we’ll translate.

    766. Stefe McHearthy on June 22nd, 2005 4:34 pm

      @ MOFOfromMO
      Don’t you have any job or obligation to fulfill?

      Or are you the one sponsored by Bin Laden….

    767. Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 4:36 pm

      We have to know that “Montana” (house where Joran and family lives) is really part of “Noord”. I reported yesterday that there was something going on. It was the parents finally meeting each other. Aruba is working.

    768. Red on June 22nd, 2005 4:36 pm

      Just a heads up …

      according to CNN, Scared Monkeys is supposed to be featured on “Inside the Blogs” today at 4:50 – 4:55 pm.


    769. crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:37 pm

      Checkme – any new tidbits you can provide today? Do you still think what we talked about yesterday to be true?

    770. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 4:38 pm

      CountryMoon – I think the best thing Nat’s family has done is to keep this story in the spotlight!!! My advice to you and her family is to try and keep it in the front page of every newspaper, and on the news in every state/country. I think with enough publicity Nat will come home! KEEP THE MEDIA involved. Even if what they say are rumors and nothing is a fact, it keeps the story in the news!!!! That is what’s important. GOD BLESS NATALEE!

    771. frank on June 22nd, 2005 4:39 pm

      Also, if there is more than one party involved. Somebody needs to explain to this kid that he is about to ass-raped for a very longtime. How long depends on who cracks first…

      How is that for drama. Just like Law and Order

    772. Mark 2 on June 22nd, 2005 4:40 pm

      I don’t know Natalee, but I don’t see any way that Natalee would run away and put her mother through such grief. The pictures they show of them together indicate they have a pretty close bond. Unless she is an absolute cook, which she doesn’t seem to be, there is no way she would put her mother through this.

    773. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 4:41 pm

      jake….that is true. even if her parents have to leave. they need to be on tv or newspapers everyday to keep this going.

      checkme—you were spot on yesterday.

    774. ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 4:42 pm

      Country Moon do u believe she was drugged also?

    775. frank on June 22nd, 2005 4:42 pm

      and either way, wether this punk thinks he can be free in 120 days or whatever the law is. If I was NH family and this does not come to a close by then. I would make sure he is silienced for good. One way or another.

      Just make sure they hire someone that will torture the little punk first. Everyone is talks tough until you cut a finger off.

    776. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 4:42 pm

      **Stefe McHearthy Says:

      June 22nd, 2005 at 4:34 pm
      @ MOFOfromMO
      Don’t you have any job or obligation to fulfill?

      Or are you the one sponsored by Bin Laden….**

      You are a LOSER. And I don’t need a reject trying to be my daddy, when I already have a wonderful one.

      Don’t YOU have a life, other than attempting to cast insults on people obviously better than you are?

      Good grief! You are pathetic!!! No wonder some animals eat their young!

    777. Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 4:43 pm

      June 16, 2005 08:26 AM on RiehlWorldView:

      “I have always loved Aruba for it’s multi cultural society. Even to see how under extreme stress we can still see each others humanity gives me hope. On this island the distances are very short so you cannot remain distant and judge coldly. “

    778. ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 4:43 pm

      Is Simian gone??

    779. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 4:44 pm

      do you think it odd that not only do we mainly hear about joran, not the brothers. but also that steve croes is a friend of the brothers, not so much joran. i think there is something going on in regards to the brothers. there is no spotlight on them right now.

    780. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:45 pm

      I hope they find her. The gov’t and the private sector should give the whole island the day off to go wave her goodbye at the Airport.

    781. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 4:46 pm

      Do you guys believe that Simien tried to send us a message and got placed in a “moderator”????? Do you think he’s for real? Or are his walls padded? Or maybe he needs a nap?

    782. ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 4:46 pm

      pktbk I totally agree, b/c they were the first ones sent to the big Prison not Joran, so y him and not them.

    783. Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 4:47 pm

      You got it pktbk.

      CRS, all still stands dude.

    784. CountryMoon on June 22nd, 2005 4:47 pm

      If those three boys want everyone to believe that they did to her what they had claimed in their first, second, and third version of their stories, when they were trying to smear her name, then given her character she would have had to of be drugged. I am not saying that she was though. There are different interpretations on how she looked when she left that night. Every one was just so busy having a good time, and the idea of something bad actually happening was the farthest from everyones minds. I can not really comment further on that.

    785. Stefe McHearthy on June 22nd, 2005 4:47 pm

      @ MOFOfromMO
      Thanks for confirming!

    786. crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:47 pm

      what was up with Checkme’s last post. Checkme, give me something today – you are always right on.

    787. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:48 pm

      I am here. Can’t say the things I want…

    788. crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:48 pm

      Thanks checkme!!

    789. Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 4:49 pm

      Sorry CRS, gotta go.

    790. frank on June 22nd, 2005 4:49 pm

      We only hear from Joran because he is the weakest. The other 2 do not have as much to loose.

    791. crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:50 pm

      Tom/Red – can you elaborate at all on Simian?

    792. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 4:50 pm

      *mouth wide open*

      all i can think is what came from an aruban poster in regards to them not really liking the dutch or other minorities. so scapegoat the two black security guards, and scapegoat the rich dutch boy….

    793. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 4:50 pm

      Jake to Simian: Oopsey…I think Simian’s back. Maybe he could answer about the ‘padded walls’. :O

    794. Stefe McHearthy on June 22nd, 2005 4:50 pm

      @ MOFOfromMO
      And now comes the true hard part:
      Put down that bottle!
      I realize it is very hard but give it a try. There are people who care about you!!

    795. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:50 pm

      Some people on the other side of the pond know more than what they are saying. There testimony, there’s security footage, there are witnesses.

    796. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 4:52 pm


    797. crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:53 pm

      Sim can you elaborate anymore than that? Is this your opinion or based on something mre concrete?

    798. pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 4:53 pm

      wow…..we’ve made more progress in the last five minutes than all week!!

    799. crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:54 pm

      pktbk – sim is contradicting what checkme says. Thoughts?

    800. ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 4:55 pm

      pktbk— where did u hear that they didnt like black or the dutch kid, b/c they seemed to hang out with him more than once.

    801. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 4:55 pm

      What did CheckMe say?

    802. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:56 pm

      The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled.

    803. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 4:57 pm



      You’re boring me.

    804. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 4:57 pm

      Sim – what is the other side of the pond? Is it a place, or is it an organization?

    805. ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 4:58 pm

      wat alibi does the 5ht suspect have??

    806. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 4:59 pm

      Who is the 5th suspect? There are now 4. Who is the 5th?

    807. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 4:59 pm

      “the other side of the pond” – the Aruban Mafia

    808. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:00 pm

      The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.

    809. crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:02 pm

      The other side of pond I assume is the us and you are insinuting it is her friends/family involved.

    810. ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 5:02 pm

      whose boyfriend earlier in the week??????

    811. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 5:02 pm

      Huh Simian?

    812. crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:02 pm

      What boyfriend? Whose? I am confused Sim.

    813. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 5:03 pm

      This is getting really bizarre. Who’s boyfriend from earlier in the week?

    814. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:03 pm

      The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left?

    815. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 5:03 pm

      Boyfriend from earlier? Can you elaborate??


    816. crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:03 pm

      Sim – i am totally lost on what you are saying.

    817. Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:04 pm

      Is #5 Van Rijn????????

    818. Stefe McHearthy on June 22nd, 2005 5:04 pm

      @ MOFOfromMO
      And I want to say that I care about you! But you need to work on yourself! That is not easy. Nobody sais it is easy! You will receive the guidance and love you need if you step up and be honest!


    819. rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:06 pm

      I think he is saying NH had an earlier aquaintance during the first couple of days of the trip — I think.

    820. Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:06 pm

      I think you blew the cover.

    821. crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:06 pm

      Stefe – why have you gone psycho on mom, chill out.

    822. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 5:07 pm

      This is BS. I don’t believe that NH family or friends had anything to do with this! This is not what this case is about. Stop trying to throw us off track here. The MAIN SUSPECTS and CULPRITS in this case are the ones that are in jail right now. I don’t think we should let anyone take us away from that. We heard from Country Moon that Nat and Family are really good people, and I believe it! I truly do! You can tell by all the pictures. I still believe it is Joran and friends!

    823. crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:07 pm

      rem – you may be right.

    824. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 5:07 pm


      What exactly is your purpose in this forum????

      No one cares what the hell you are talking about. Please stay on topic or go back to pre-school.

    825. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:09 pm

      A scorned lover needs a motive? Drives some people to some crazy deeds.

    826. Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:11 pm

      Was the lover on the trip??

    827. Stefe McHearthy on June 22nd, 2005 5:12 pm

      @ MOFOfromMO
      You know it is exactly on topic.
      Do what you feel is right.

    828. rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:12 pm

      Sim -Surely your not saying a local MT brook boyfriend would be involved in this, would you.

    829. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:13 pm

      A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends. He couldn’t have done it. Sometimes friends will cover for each other.

    830. rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:14 pm

      Sim -I think your reaching

    831. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 5:15 pm

      How could a local MT boyfriend be involved. The FBI would have cracked this case already through phone records and the internet. I don’t believe this. This is yet ANOTHER rumor!

    832. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:16 pm

      He had to be let go.

    833. crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:16 pm

      Does seem a little far fetched.

    834. born 2 b wild on June 22nd, 2005 5:17 pm

      I love the cock fighting that goes on in this blog -complete w/razor blades attached to the spurs

      We should take odds on the hour for the latest round

      Right now we got Stefe in this corner and MOM from MO (the “show me MOM”) in that corner

      p.s: checkme – check this

    835. Kristin on June 22nd, 2005 5:17 pm


      Thank you for taking the time to come on and talk to us. We appreciate your time, even though we can’t imagine how hard this must be for you and your community-we do understand. We all have been pretty caught up in this case, it’s tearing everyone apart. People have been listening to the news, radio and checking online forums faithfully. We all want Natalee to be safe, and we all understand that there is more to the story. As typical Americans though, we don’t understand WHY we can’t hear the truth. We know that Mrs. Twitty is keeping it together for SOME reason other than the simple hope of Natalee being alive. She has to KNOW that she is alive. Any information that we hear is helpful…and just the fact that you say OUTLOUD that there is more to the story keeps us all hanging on. It is hard to try and justify what Natalee is really like, when we don’t know her and we hear all of the rumors. It would help us all to understand MORE if we knew if Natalee has dissapeared before. But as you said, you probably can’t answer that.
      I figured I would give it a shot anyways, and if you still can’t answer, I respect that.
      Do you believe that she is alive but in another country?

    836. sunny71 on June 22nd, 2005 5:17 pm

      Some insight from a local:
      the coverage of this case is ridiculous, but I can understand the fixation on the ‘exoticness’ of this case, what with the weird Aruban laws and all.
      Fact is, the police here has every interest in getting this thing resolved asap, if only because of the negative publicity.
      The investigators screwed up in the beginning, because vdSloot Sr. is well known in those circles and they took Jr.’s story at face value at first. Understandable under the circumstances, but stupid in hindsight.
      Jr. would have confessed a long time ago if he had done it. Interrogations by the local police are not a walk in the park for the suspects, as some of you might think. Aruban police knows a thing or two about pressuring a suspect.
      My question is: did NH go back to her hotelroom and sneak out that night and are her roommates keeping mum about that? Just a thought.
      I think Steve Croes and the Kalpoe’s should be the focus.

    837. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 5:17 pm

      Good try Sim….I hope this story (rumor) breaks tonight. That will mean more air time for the Natalee Case!!!

    838. crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:18 pm

      Sim – again is this your theory or something more concrete?

    839. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 5:19 pm

      Hey Sim?

      Didn’t you mention earlier that when you were ‘awaiting moderation’, that it occurred when you typed (the word for a place to gamble)???

    840. crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:20 pm

      Kristin – Country seemed to discount that earlier that she had been kidnapped and was possibly on another island – she seemed to point the finger at Van Der Sloot.

    841. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 5:21 pm

      Born 2 B Wild:

      Now, don’t get excited. I’m not in any corner, cuz I don’t humor TROLLS for long.

      Besides, I’ve already flushed him down the commode with the rest of his little ‘brown friends’.


    842. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:22 pm

      This is not my theory. This is for real.

    843. crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:23 pm

      Sim – I will give you your props if it proves correct.

    844. crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:25 pm

      Sim – let me get this right – seriously – you are saying NH’s ex killed her on the trip and the friends are covering up that he did this? Hence giving him an airtight alibi as you say.

    845. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 5:25 pm

      crs- can you put together a small little paragraph on the latest theory from Sim.

    846. rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:25 pm

      Sim – You have lost me!!

    847. Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:25 pm

      Sunny 71
      I do not know if it is true, but about 12 days ago it was reported that the roomates had not worried because she had only slept in the room the first night. Did not say if she had slept at other friends’ or elsewhere.

    848. Kristin on June 22nd, 2005 5:25 pm

      Seriously guys, what are we talking about? WHO is suspect # 5? AND, something along these lines WOULD make sense, seeing as how everyone in Aruba knows whats going on and they all seem calm about it. If Joran really did something to Natalee, you think Mrs. Twitty would be hugging his mother and being friendly with his Dad? NO. I don’t care how nice she is, she wouldn’t do that.

      Thanks CRS for being so helpful.
      GOD-WHAT is going on??? And WHEN are we going to find out????????????

    849. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:26 pm

      The alibi story is the almost the latest.

      The latest is that there’s a gap in the time-line for the boys.

      It is true that one of them tried to off himself.

    850. Midway on June 22nd, 2005 5:26 pm

      Joran’s probably innocent

    851. MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 5:28 pm

      I’m outtie, folks. Have a great evening..Thank you everyone, for all the updates!!

      Peace out.

    852. Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 5:28 pm

      Simian is late with facts and wring with his speculations.

    853. Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:28 pm

      Mrts. Twiggy didn’t hug Mrs. Van Der Sloot. Mrs. Van Der Sloot kissed Mrs. Twiggy on the cheek, as she left her house.

    854. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:29 pm

      I did not say an ex. Do you people read? I not into repeating myself.

    855. crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:29 pm

      Sim – your not making any sense- on the one hand you seem to be saying an ex killed NH and on the other hand you are back talking about the boys – why would one of the boys try and kill himself if he is being framed?

    856. rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:29 pm

      elaborate Checkme

    857. Midway on June 22nd, 2005 5:29 pm

      The two security guards set Joran up

    858. Jake on June 22nd, 2005 5:30 pm

      But who is the ex-boyfriend? Is he someone from the US, or did Natalee meet him in Aruba? Who is Van Rijn?

    859. Rob on June 22nd, 2005 5:30 pm


      Was this #5 perhaps someone Joran was having a confrontation with in C&C’s?

    860. pdl on June 22nd, 2005 5:30 pm

      Mrs. Twitty after leaving the Van Der Sloot’s home said that she felt sure there would be more arrests leading me to think that she is being held somewhere by others.

    861. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 5:30 pm

      He said the ex was at “home.” He said the 5th had an alibi – that is not necessarily the ex.

    862. crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:30 pm

      Checkme- that is what i figured as you have by far been the most accurate and I am with you on your theory.

    863. Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:31 pm

      Please put us up-to-date.

    864. rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:31 pm

      Sim is saying that her ex’s friends had something to do with this, her ex was back in alabama, right Sim

    865. concerned4natalee on June 22nd, 2005 5:31 pm


    866. concerned4natalee on June 22nd, 2005 5:32 pm


    867. rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:33 pm

      Concerned – Ask Sim, he’s like my mom, he knows everything.

    868. Stefe McHearthy on June 22nd, 2005 5:33 pm

      @ MOFOfromMO

      Think, it is your life!
      Please be blesseth!

    869. Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:33 pm

      Checkme and Simian
      This is it for you guys. You need to deliver something, since you have created all this expectation

    870. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 5:34 pm

      rem – your mom taught you well

    871. Kristin on June 22nd, 2005 5:35 pm

      Seriously, please tell me something. PLEASE.

    872. crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:36 pm

      Lucy – i think Sim is a long shot, this is the first day i have seen him on the boards and he has not been right so far but i would stick with Checkme.

    873. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 5:36 pm

      I think it’s Checkme’s turn to deliver.

    874. rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:37 pm

      I agree with CRS. Checkme, where do we stand?

    875. Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 5:37 pm

      MOM, that was I that mentioned that gambling place called a C…just thought I’d peek in and see what the therories are now…so Sim thinks a kid on the trip did the deed? Can’t figure out for the life of me what he’s saying..SPIT IT OUT…instead of playing these word games for goodness sake.

    876. concerned4natalee on June 22nd, 2005 5:37 pm


    877. Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:37 pm

      Will follow your advise. For a while I thought he was a java duplicate.

    878. concerned4natalee on June 22nd, 2005 5:38 pm


    879. crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:38 pm

      NH’s mom and Greta reminded me of Room Raiders on MTV last night, I thought they were going to throw Sr. Sloot in the back of a van for a second and try and get him a date.

    880. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 5:39 pm

      lucy – what’s a java duplicate?
      crs – what is checkme’s theory?
      Sim – what?

    881. rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:39 pm

      I think I scared he/she off with the last comment directed toward friends of NH’s ex.

    882. TK Ice on June 22nd, 2005 5:41 pm

      ..been lurking for the past couple days – had no intention of posting, but these last few minutes have been like a Chinese (oops Asian) fire-drill
      Reminds of an old Abbott & Costello routine:
      Who’s on first? Who
      What’s on second? right, what
      I don’t know. Third base

    883. crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:41 pm

      Checkme believes NH is part of a kidnapping and has been moved most likely to Columbia – he believes Joran is totally innocent – he believes the brothers and Croes to be involved.

    884. Kristin on June 22nd, 2005 5:41 pm

      Oh and do we all remember how the aruban veteran had said that natalee’s friends and family needed to take the polygraph test, or whatever? Now some of this is starting to make sense. Maye they need to give more information now. He wouldn’t say that for NO reason.

    885. Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 5:41 pm

      What you do with what I say is up to you Lucy. I give a finger, you “expect” a body.

      Simian, a motive from Joran we do not have.

      Twitty will let Joran free soon.

      CRS, good hearing you again, proly because you followed my trail. I think that’s because you have read and felt what I have and tie it all together to the seemingly most likely scenario. Like Simian, I hate repeating myself.

    886. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:41 pm

      Simian Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
      June 22nd, 2005 at 5:40 pm
      Simian Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
      June 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pm
      Checkme…check this…and please recheck:

      Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week.

      After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him. This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.

      First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.

      How can this ever be solved?

    887. crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:42 pm

      I think Lucy thought sim and checkme were the same person.

    888. rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:43 pm

      Everybody including me wants to throw in 2 cents worth and hope that somebody on
      the other end really has information, most times we are being deceived by speculation, that’s all it is, speculation.

    889. crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:44 pm

      Checkme – you have not been wrong so far and I think what we have talked about to be very possible.

    890. Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 5:44 pm

      You are both verrrrrrrrrry interesting.

    891. Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 5:45 pm

      Sim..I get you now..THANKS…you could be right..I “See” you mentioned that dreaded C word like I did and had your post deleted…

    892. Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:45 pm

      I guess I have started to really believe that I was one more of the detectives on this case. Around 4:48 CRS asked Chjeckme if he was around. Simian said, a few lines afterwards something like I am here but can’t say everything. Out of the blues, I decided that Simian and Checkme perhaps were the same person. In computer languages, I think they call Simian a code that identifies a duplicate.

    893. crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:47 pm

      Can someone explain to me in Sim’s theory who is guy 1 and guy 2, which is Joran?

    894. Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:49 pm

      I don’t expect a body. Perhaps a short summary of your latest discovery. Did not mean to be pushy, but just like everyone, just want your info updates to keep coming. My apologies.

    895. Rob on June 22nd, 2005 5:51 pm


      Hence the confrontation with Joran that the other students reported seeing at C&C’s?

    896. sunny71 on June 22nd, 2005 5:52 pm

      so NH only slept in the assigned room with her roommates on the first nioght of their vacation? Is that correct?
      If so, I’m really starting to wonder about this girl. Where did she sleep all the other nights? Did she have her bags packed the whole week, ready to leave at a moments notice?

    897. crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:53 pm

      I wonder what crazy antics Greta and Beth will be to tonight.

    898. born 2 b wild on June 22nd, 2005 5:53 pm

      jghfti llhjmy rhedcxedb dmcxcki fjrnrffu*n llamcd bgt fllrt gmmmm?

      (another intergalactic relay – means “wheres the beef”)

    899. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:55 pm

      He has an alibi. So tight. So tight.

    900. Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:57 pm

      Sunny 71
      She may have slept at other classmates room. If they hung around together, came to the hotel, and slept in somebody elses’s room.

    901. cancon on June 22nd, 2005 5:57 pm

      ah wait a minute, wait a minute, having experienced this somewhat myself……

      the rumour de jour is that Natalee only slept in her room one night, could it be Natalee did not get along with her specific roomates which would explain why they seemed so clueless last night on Fox, had there been some big blowout so Natalee was bunking with others????

    902. Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 5:57 pm

      Lucy, CRS did an excellent recap for us all. Please don’t confuse me anymore with Simian. Just like van Sijn and van Rijn…

      One thing I do want to repeat. It is so easy to throw mud at our authorities. Please don’t. We are all doing our best every day to have NH reunited with her family. We are not very good at the media show which is why I am also happy our system is closed while the investigative process is taking place.

      I am not part of “the Aruban Authority”. Just a Human Being living in Aruba (duhhh…)

      Vanessa, did you ever take a look at the links I posted for you? I send them with my warmest regards.

    903. crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:57 pm

      Sim – i am going to have to think about this tonight and i will have some questions tomorrow morning.

    904. cancon on June 22nd, 2005 5:59 pm

      or Natalee was having a feud with one or two of the girls and thusly purposely avoiding them, only spending the min time in the room……..

    905. crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:59 pm

      Checkme, have a good night my friend, hope you have some more details tomorrow!!

    906. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 6:01 pm

      The first guy she met has all the motive. The second guy is scared shitless in a cell.

      I have heard from Americans living in Aruba and and they think something completely different.

    907. Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 6:01 pm


      Possible alibis (or alibies) for #5:
      Was in jail for DUI of illegal substances
      Was filming himself
      Was making a delivery
      Was in Curaà §ao
      Was painting his truck in Savaneta
      None of the above

    908. Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 6:03 pm

      Take care, CU tmrw. Over and out.

    909. Simian on June 22nd, 2005 6:04 pm

      Lucy you are wrong. It was just a simple party at his house. He was “the whole time”.

    910. born 2 b wild on June 22nd, 2005 6:05 pm

      I think the entire entourage (friends,chaperones etc…) now that they are back here in the USA, should be interviewed by the FBI,especially any who were in close proximity to (or responsible for) NH. They probably are being talked to as we speak.

      Oh hang on, I just got another alien e-mail (I’ll be right back to paste it)>>>

      fkvlfdidddp olggmt ffpdsmvg lsmmvnfjvhjjj vofofoggoffmsdmsamxx !!!

      (translation: “born 2 be wild, you are a butt wipe”)

      “I tell ya, I get no respect”

    911. Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 6:05 pm

      Lucy!!! I am starting to like you.

    912. Kristin on June 22nd, 2005 6:06 pm

      OK so if all this is true, why did Natalee leave with Joran? Why didn’t she just go back to her hotel with her friends? AND, who’s alibi is airtight?

    913. Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 6:07 pm

      Lucy, are you from Aruba?

    914. Kristin on June 22nd, 2005 6:08 pm

      Simian, can you share a little more information? Are you in Aruba?

    915. Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 6:11 pm


      Go back to the hotel? Last nite out? Party on dudess…

    916. cancon on June 22nd, 2005 6:12 pm

      oh Kristin i am going back to the mind of feuding high school girls…..

      she may have gone off with the Aruban guys either because maybe the blowout was the girls fighting over Joran, hey women are always fighting over men who are so not worth it, so Natalee was going ha ha Joran is with me beatches or she took off with them to spite them in general or because she didn’t want to be with the gang….

    917. born 2 b wild on June 22nd, 2005 6:16 pm

      simian means ape or primate FYI

    918. pdl on June 22nd, 2005 6:16 pm

      News is slow on Fox and CNN. I wonder if they all went home?

    919. Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 6:17 pm

      No, I am from Santo Domingo, but have have visited Aruba many times. Have relatives in San Nicolas. My greatgrandfaher was from Curaà §ao and my great uncle moved back there. I have great childhood memories of Aruba, the carnival, the newyears eve celebrations, etc., and also my first encounter in life with oriental and asian foods.

    920. Donny on June 22nd, 2005 6:18 pm

      Is that 5th suspect with a tight aliby whose father recently committed suicide and who has had serious mental issues since?

    921. Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 6:20 pm

      Mira, Dominicana!!! My my you have traveled much. Allow me to compliment you on your perfect English.

      I have seen you a lot on this blog. Why are you so interested in this case?

    922. Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 6:24 pm

      First, the desperation of the mother. Then, the fact that it was Aruba. By the way, went banck about 7 years ago, and could not believe the change from oil refineries to hotel strips. Do you still call Oranjestad, Playa?

      As for my English, went to school in Massachusetts.

    923. jon on June 22nd, 2005 6:28 pm

      simian you make up more bull another lover , it seems you are just trying to start more rumors . you have no FACTS to say so you make stuff up. TO all the others ,she had no boyfriend back home. the other side of the pond , please anyone thats interested dont listen to this guy. He has no idea what he is talking about .

    924. Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 6:29 pm

      Sigur cu si, playa a keda playa.

      My first girlfriend (Colombiana) also went to school in Massachusetts… many moons ago.

    925. Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 6:31 pm


      Read Simian better. he did not write what you said.

    926. Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 6:31 pm

      I went many moons ago too 1969-1979.

    927. Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 6:36 pm

      I came here around the same time, 1969. Things have changed indeed.

    928. Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 6:38 pm

      Before I go Lucy, if you may ask me one question, what would that question be, right now?

    929. Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 6:45 pm

      Since Aruba is so small, I won’t ask you where you came from. Perhaps later on. It was great having this small conversation on the side (of the blog). Look forward to keep reading your comments. Mis mà ¡s sinceros saludos y respeto,

    930. Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 6:49 pm

      Upss, didn’t read your 6:38 post until now. No questions now, will wait for your comments, today or tomorrow, depending on your return.


    931. Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 6:50 pm

      the silence before the storm…

    932. Kristin on June 22nd, 2005 6:59 pm

      why cant you type in the word ca$in0

    933. Kristin on June 22nd, 2005 6:59 pm

      if you try to type it, it says your post is awating moderation…WHY

    934. Kristin on June 22nd, 2005 7:01 pm


    935. Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 7:34 pm


      You there?

    936. Kristin on June 22nd, 2005 7:36 pm

      yes are you there?

    937. Kristin on June 22nd, 2005 7:37 pm

      did you try to type what i asked above? also did you read that flyer that some girl pointed out in the beginning of this page? is the poster supposed to be from natalee or her mother?

    938. Kristin on June 22nd, 2005 7:38 pm

      where did everyone go?

    939. Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 7:40 pm


      Are u Lucy?

      Let us go to the other blog, the first one on NH, nice and clean start…

    940. Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 7:46 pm
    941. Hope on June 23rd, 2005 12:18 am

      Jorans father is working his way into Dutch Monarchy….Joran is 17….a minor…a MINOR…if he fell victom to a mishap, (accidental homicide) he would first:
      a) try to cover up
      b) second rely on dad to cover up
      c) third break down and confess knowing he is 17 and a minor under Dutch law….he would do no real time…his dad knows this, his mom knows this, they all know his dads Judgeship is now a pipedream…..why not confess….why does he not confess…all of us who stay here in this forum day after day, hour after hour still refuse to ask ourselves…what is really going on. Occams razor….

      Occams Razor
      “A rule in science and philosophy stating that entities should not be multiplied needlessly. This rule is interpreted to mean that the simplest of two or more competing theories is preferable and that an explanation for unknown phenomena should first be attempted in terms of what is already known. Also called law of parsimony.”

      I drempt last night…”in my dream I smell the smell of chemicals…once before I smelled this, the smell and taste of an anesthesia right before i passed out on the operating table at the age of 14, after 15 seconds of this I drempt that something was after me, i fight to get away from this thing coming at me…then this thing becomes headless…I feel slightly safer..untill…the headless thing comes at me again, and now it feels like many many hands pulling at my stomach, more hands than this thing should have…why is it still alive pulling at me”…then I awake…I’ve been semiasleep for 20 mins. Dear lambs of God, I can say that was our angel…on 6/22/05 at 5:20am I was touched…blessed…ushered in…her soul is strong…we will not fail her.

    942. Willem on June 23rd, 2005 3:47 am

      You guys suck big time! It’s obvious why we kicked your ick basterds out of Europe back then.

    943. mickiemouse on June 23rd, 2005 7:57 am

      I wonder if Beth Twitty recorded the conversation with the Van Der Sloots without their knowledge. I am thinking that she did because she said after the meeting that there will definitely be more arrests regarding Natalee’s disappearence. Maybe Mr. VDS said something that contradicted what he said to the police and she can prove it even if the cameras weren’t allowed.

      Also, Joran is now switching his story as to which brother picked him up the night at the beach. If all defendants are present in this interrogation room now, and each is saying the other is lying, how will we ever get the truth. I wish lie detector tests were admissible in court in Aruba.

      Can you believe Joran was at a casino the next night after Natalee was missing? Even if he is innocent (I doubt it) wouldn’t his parents advise him to stay at home, lay low because the police are going to be watching you? Is this kid a gambling addict?

    944. Omega on June 23rd, 2005 8:42 am

      This blog and many other blogs are great tools to discuss and give individual speculations. Unfortunately it also attracts disgruntled individual who like noting but to put down fellow bloggers and their countries.
      You cannot make a simple statement – these individual twist it and are off and running with foul and hateful attacks. This only shows false pride comes before any real concerned. To work as a whole, as a team is the only way to achieve the goal we all want and expect. We must remember, “We are all alike in our humanities”
      Peace to all~

    945. AVA on June 23rd, 2005 9:14 am

      Thank you Barbaraq for your post…

      I think the Aruban authorities are doing all that they can, and remember the ‘boys’ have not been (to my knowledge) been Charged or Arrested but rather are still in the Detainment phase. A phase that gathers evidence and can last a very, very long time….up to I believe 160 days plus…all while being jailed. Any evidence gathered during this time cannot be devulged because of it becoming unusable in their court of law. Once they have enough clear evidence of guilt and have all the parties involved in a crime then the authorities can make formal charged and Arrests. Yes, a very different system than our own, where here in the US they would have been ‘out on bail’ already. Also, keep in mind that the prison in other countries (especially in the islands) are not the ‘condo’ style the US affords our prisoners, where they can make numerous ‘Appeals’.

      Everything is all speculation at this point, even my own scenarios of what could have happened, because we just do not know what really happened to Natalee. My heart goes out to both families in a big way. Natalee’s family for the apparent reasons, and that their daughter is missing and for the Van de Sloot’s because of the anguished they must be feeling if their son is indeed innocent and if he was involved how their hearts must be breaking for the ‘hows’ and ‘whys’ of it all.

    946. John on June 23rd, 2005 2:03 pm

      WHy is Natalee refered to as ‘the girl’ when she is 18 (legally adult) and Joris is refered to as “the man” whe he is 17? Why is the fact that Joris graduated from an American High School in Aruba with Honors never mentioned but with Natalee always, the girl that graduated with honors? Isn’t the US media too biased in this case? Is there some more thruth we whould knoww about Natalee?

    947. Snippy on June 23rd, 2005 2:42 pm


    948. Devion on June 23rd, 2005 5:47 pm

      Everybody should cool down.
      Every day more then 100 people are getting kidnapped, only you dont hear shit of that.
      Atleast 5 iraqs getting killed a day in Iraq.

      Because they aint American or there aint an American involved.

      CNN and FOX are blowing this whole story up.
      I Aruba there is about murder a YEAR, so please dont crit the police of Aruba, because they are getting over their heads and they cant help it either.(And getting help from experinced dutch lawofficers, which should be enough)

      They already your “superiour” FBI sweep the island.(Still in progress)
      Be glad they let them sweep it, they also could say, mind your own bussiness, it’s OUR territory.

      Also taking the familie van der Sloot down is low. First of all, you dont know if Joran is guilty. The video with Natalee Holloway’s stepfather disgusted me of saying that van der Sloot dad was a “chicken”.

      Taking down a familie who is already getting the blame by an entire nation for something which even hasnt been proved yet.

      Too bad a few poster knew what it is all about.

      Finding Natalee Holloway and if you believe in God, pray for her life/finding.

    949. John on June 23rd, 2005 6:02 pm

      Devion: I agree with what you are saying. I would even add more to it. There is so much wrong info that is being given out by the US media that I wonder wat is thrue and what not from cases from other places where I do not know the facts (I am from Aruba by the way)…

    950. Sidewalker on June 24th, 2005 2:06 pm

      Shame on You Americans. It is very very very Sad things like this happening but please solve your own shit first before you start taking over the world. The dead of this poor girl should be investigated by approved Aruban personel. So Keep Out

    951. GG on June 28th, 2005 7:34 pm

      Has Joran Van der Sloot, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, or Paul Van der Sloot taken polygraphs?? Why can’t our FBI fly in the most sophisticated equipment available? Is the Dutch government afraid of implicating Joran further?? I think they tried to pin it on the poor DJ!

    952. Jim W. on July 9th, 2005 6:41 am

      Polygraphs, truth serum! Even if these methods are inadmissable as evidence in a Dutch court of law, I believe that these options should be presented to those accused to prove their innocence. If they refuse, then the question has to be raised as to WHY are they refusing a chance to prove their innocence!
      Perhaps a few hundred dollars distributed along the waterfront, to local fishermen with boats, would provide some inside information as to how someone could be taken off the island in the middle of the night. Is there an actual route taken for human trafficking? IF she were spirited away, to which likely place would that be? Perhaps posters displayed at that place might bring results.
      Above all else, our prayers are with her & her family.

    953. Toni on July 27th, 2005 4:32 pm

      Devion, if Joran is so innocent, then why can’t he keep his stories straight? Let’s not put that family on a pedestal just because Van Der Sloot’s father is a judge…

    954. DANESSA on July 28th, 2005 9:40 am

      I think Beth halloway twitty should contact pyhic sylvis browne she is very ligit of what she says this is a email addy to natalee halloway but dont remember what it is saw it on the news. Danessa :)

    955. betty fraliex on August 8th, 2005 8:13 pm

      hey this girl is dead because I had several visions about these certain people,paul and another accomplice;I have seen two landmarks and that was before they started showing more of the island and it seems so real like I was there. So is any one getting the creepy jebbies yet ?

    956. Jean Piner on September 7th, 2005 9:48 am

      I am in prayer everyday for the victums of Katrina. I have helped to send boxes of food to them and continue to pray everyday for them. But I do not understand why Greta has completed dropped the Holoway investigation. Please keep us posted if ony briefly. Jean Piner

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