RSSNatalee Holloway, June 14 Update
BREAKING ***NEWS****
edmond of Top95: – American in Aruba commenting live.
Marriott at this moment they have made the search area larger…nothign yet….dont know if it based upon a confession or just a random search…….police has moved EVERYONE to the Marriott hotel not allowed to be close…they have seen the technical team (TOD) and the FBI that indicates that their is something but what no one knows….all press is being moved away front he area……their is an indication that they don’t want anyone to see what is happening and that maybe they found something and don’t want the press tehir…that is all they have to say…everythign indicates that they may have found something…all local and Int’l press is being moved away from the area.
***NEWS***
Barricades are put everywhere… “my typing is bad because I’m going as fast as I can”!!
They moved press far far away….they are closing off everywhere so the police can make the investigation…..another team has arrived…police…in blue coveralls…they dont know who they are….alto of police force to close off the place closing with yellow “no trespassing” tape…their is no access to the MAIN search area….they dont know if a body was found yet but unfortunately they thin that is the case…….THEIR INTERVIEWING SOME ON NOW:
he was their in the morning early and they saw some “strange” things and the authority immediately took over…i dont know if the guy is in the construction area
rogers wrote:
In the brushy area to the north of the Marriott the police are doing an intense search. Press and all have been moved far away. Roads are blocked off.
Also in that area there was found earlier in the day a pair of women’s underwear and a number of condoms. However, this is a lovers lane type area. Not sure what to make of this last fact yet.
However, the stories now coming from the arrested group would likely place evidence in this area of the island.
From ABC News, Aruban Police Launch New Search for Teen
Nearly three dozen police officers launched a search Tuesday along a beach near the Marriott Hotel for Natalee Holloway after a former security guard alleged that one of three youths seen with the missing teenager had lied to police.
Antonius “Mickey” John said he was detained in a cell adjacent to one of the young men, 21-year-old Deepak Kalpoe, and that the two spent time talking.
John, 30, said Kalpoe told him that he and his 18-year-old brother, Satish, and their 17-year-old Dutch friend never went back to the Holiday Inn the morning of May 30, the day Holloway disappeared on this Dutch Caribbean island during a student trip.
Kalpoe said they instead dropped the Dutch youth and Holloway off near the Marriott, located just north of the Holiday Inn, on the same beach.
Police cordoned off a three-block area near the Marriott, and government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg confirmed it was yet another search for the 18-year-old from Mountain Brook, Ala., High School.
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Update: According to Canal 90, one of the 3 boys told the cops that they burried Natalie at the Fisherman’s Huts and that the FBI has two dogs on the scene.
Aruba girl
From Fox News, Aruba Authorities Begin New Search for Clues
ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Investigators in Aruba began searching Tuesday in an area near the island’s hotel district following a new tip in the mystery surrounding Natalee Holloway.
A boy who found a pair of women’s underpants, used condoms and condom wrappers near a small pond in the Palm Beach area north of the Alabama teenager’s hotel phoned his find in to police.
Authorities said the area was a popular hangout among teens and that the items were nothing unusual, but a dearth of clues to Holloway’s whereabouts was prompting police to follow every lead.
A representative of the Aruban prime minister’s office and the police commissioner were on the scene, yet another indication of how eager the tranquil island paradise is to show the world how seriously it is taking the Alabama teen’s disappearance. Police Chief Jan van Stratten was to speak at a press conference Tuesday afternoon
Tip leads to new search for girl missing in Aruba
Man says suspect told him Dutch teen took Natalee Holloway to beach
Video from MSNBC
News update 4:33 same as before search in very thick brush, fire truck being used, paths. Draining the draining ditch. Police dogs being used by the FBI.
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Thanks for the update, please let us know as soon as you hear more. I will continue to pray for Natalee and her family
hmmm sounds like a forensic team, do you have a medical examiner or coroner in Aruba, keep your eye out, if you see a vehicle marked with those words in Dutch or whatever they’ve found the body
Riehl world is saying that Natalee’s mom is at the search site and was seen crying, and an authority said it was over. Any confirmation on any of that?
Oh my god … I hope these boys rot in an ALABAMA cell for this. I hope they seriously rot in hell if Natalee is found dead.
From the TA site:
according to witness on channel 90 fm….a body has been found…..
(not confirmed)
according to nativelingo on SM board
On Arubadag you can click TOP FM in the upper right menu, and if you notice the server is overloaded, you can try any of the other radiostations.
Teo
Just CLICK on http://www.arubadag.com and choose one arubian radio, we recommend TOP FM
Jake,
If you are here..are you still watching CNN? Are there any new reports, or confirmation of Natalee’s mom being there?
If this is ok to link to go to the Riehl world..
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/more.html
This is so unreal, my heart is breaking for the family
what happened to the forum? I can’t get it to come up anymore
Anything new?
I’m still watching CNN. The search is still going on, and they have not mentioned that the mom is there. They are only saying that because of the conversation that one of the bros. had w/ the security guard while in their cells, they are searching this area! I do not think that a confession has been made by anyone (yet).
If they find the body here, the security guard deserves the reward.
What do all of you think of Attorney General Caren Janssen? She never has a comment about anything, and never wants to comment on anything! Is this normal in an investigation in Aruba?
Jake,
Thanks, I had trouble getting back on here. Is CNN saying anything about what “articles” they have found?
This little van der Sloot kid needs to rot. Who the hell gets away with murder because his daddy is something special. That is shit. That kid needs to be punished or sentenced to death.
Heather,
I could not agree with you more. I hope that he is brought here to the states for trial.
If he were a Kennedy, he would get away with it.
CNN is not reporting anything about articles found. I don’t know were that information came from.
If Joran and the others were instant messaging each other and he told the others “i have something to tell you”, can that be traced, and if so and the authorites took the computers, if I am not mistaken, then why the hell has it still been so long for any real news?
Jake,
I got that from the link I earlier posted on the Riehl world, apparently they found some underwear, duct tape, rope and condoms.
Because the Aruban authorities are NOT letting the FBI take over this case! The FBI was only “invited” and cannot be involved in ANYTHING unless they are asked to do so by the Aruban authorities. Why do you think this case has take SO LONG to solve! The FBI must be so fustrated!
I hear you. And the family.
I read that someone called in and reprted finding underwear and condoms in an area that is common for people to go (lovers lane), therefore they are investigating every lead, but it’s not unusual for this place to have condoms and panties lying around! This is what I read.
Did you ever wonder whether a former prime suspect telling the authorities the location of they body might complicate the case a bit? Unless his conversation was taped the brothers can deny saying anything and that creates a lot of reasonable doubt in court (unless of course they find physical evidence).
Jake: I agree that the FBI must be so frustrated!! I would be. Its not fair that they aren’t being allowed to touch anything
ok…so I think I heard something about the kid that found the underwear, said something about a body being found….????
John has a very good point. What if the security guards killed Natalee and buried the body at Fisherman’s Hut. Then they told authorities that Deepak revealed the location of the body during a prison conversation?
Exactly what I was thinking. That would be a good way to frame someone.
Our FBI agents would have found Natalie on May 31st at 8:00 am, and The bros and the Dutch boy would be serving their 15th day in a Maximum Security prison on death row!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you’re planning on killing someone and burying them and not being caught, why go through the trouble to wear a condom?
I don’t think he ever planned on killing her. I think something went wrong! I think she either overdosed on some drug that the dutch boy slipped into her drink (X), or he got mad at her and strangled her.
My guess is: The panties, condoms & tape are unrelated. I believe the guys (whether some or all) raped her & intended to kill her when she didn’t respond to their liking.
Mickey John told them about Kalpoe’s confession about the Marriott. So, in summary: If NH’s body is discovered there, MJ should get the reward.
JMO
Well Bl, if the body was ever dug up or found…the guys body fluids could be on her body.
I just hope that once they find her the boys will then confess. Do you think they will?
Edit copy pasting from the National Incident Network
Posted on Tuesday, June 14 @ 14:20:31 MST by AtlantaNews
ORANJESTADA Aruba (AP)–Nearly three dozen police officers launched a search Tuesday along a beach near the Marriott Hotel for Natalee Holloway after a former security guard alleged that one of three youths seen with the missing teenager had lied to police.
Antonius Mickey John said he was detained in a cell adjacent to one of the young men 21-year-old Deepak Kalpoe and that the two spent time talking.
John 30 said Kalpoe told him that he and his 18-year-old brother Satish, and their 17-year-old Dutch friend never went back to the Holiday Inn the morning of May 30 the day Holloway disappeared on this Dutch Caribbean island during a student trip.
Kalpoe said they instead dropped the Dutch youth and Holloway off near the Marriott, located just north of the Holiday Inn on the same beach.
Police cordoned off a three-block area near the Marriott and government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg confirmed it was yet another search for the 18-year-old from Mountain Brook High School.
Investigators may be following up leads from what was said this morning he said, referring to John’s comments They probably need to check all those things out
I’m sure the boys will confess…being 17 18 and 21…they are to weak to hold out knowing that they did find her body dead. If she’s alive, they’ll either confess before she rats on them or she’ll call them out
UPDATE: they brought in a generator and mentioned something about draining a pond nearby where some evidence was found!
Ok..so anyone that went to Brians predictions, on one of the other posts as freaked out as I am right now?
Angela- so he leaves a used condom????? There were used condoms found. If what your saying is so, then those condoms would have to be unrelated.
I don’t think Aruban authorities have DNA equipment. I think the world already knows who committed this crime. The only thing that scares me is that Judge van der sloot might be the judge assigned to this case!!!!!!!!
lets just hope that Judge Van Der Sloot isn’t assigned to the case. With it being his son on trial, I wouldn’t think so.
Oh jeez, hopefully that whole conflict of interest thing works in Aruba too.
I can only pray for this family to be strong
I will pray as well CeeCee. Pray hard for her family and friends.
I recommend forming no concrete conclusions in this case, until sufficient evidence has been collected. I, too, want justice for Natalee, but I want it to be precise and directed only at the “perp(s)”
If the criminal justice system of Aruba ( or the U.S.) fails, then there is another system that’s been in place far longer.
I don’t like relying on unfounded conclusions either, Guardian. I think we’ve all fell victim to false reports, or reports that are recanted. Natalee, whether alive or deceased is at the VERY least…a victim of injustice. That for sure, is obvious.
No dreams of Aruba for me………..EVER!
I am sure that Natalee fought back and that is why in their statements that when she got out of the car she was saying I can walk myself, in other words they were mad of sorts because of something. In their terms she fought back and for this I am glad. I am wondering if they have checked their bodies in jail for scratches and bite marks and the likes…
I read earlier where the Police Chief would make an official statement via press conference this afternoon. Does anyone know the projected time line for that announcement here in the states?
I heard earlier this week (don’t know if true or false), that the dutch boy had bruises??? Did anyone else read this??
TJ:
Don’t fall for it. The Police Chief may make a statement, but that Caren b*itch will recant it, and release a statement of her own, “We have no comment”.
On & on it goes….the show MUST go on! There’s a circus in progress!
>>>sigh
Mom from MO – I think the Caren b*itch is the Judge van der sloots sister!! Joran’s aunt!
Van der Sloot’s father father is NOT a judge but is studying to become one.
Jake:
Oh hell yes! They ALL can’t be idiots. There either all covering for each other, or porkin’ each other…or BOTH.
They can kiss their economy GOOD-BYE.
…and the to-be VDS judge…uh uh…ain’t gonna happen now.
Jake,
I did read earlier on some link where the dutch boy had bruises or abrasions, although minor. Never heard any credible source confirm that.
Mom from MO: You couldn’t have put it better. The more I read, the more I feel like I’m in a circle jerk session.
Did you read the update on the firetruck pumping out some water from a pond. Could there be a body there?
Do you think this will be over today?
The first question on the (judge-to-be-test) for Daddy van der sloot:
1. How do you get the truth out of a punk ass kid who killed a young girl?
Jake:
I did read that (about the fire trucks pumping water out). I also read there are search dogs. Could the dogs have been going crazy @ the pond?
Smellin more fish here….
Extra Credit Question for Judge wannabe VDS:
Q: What is the legal age for gambling in Aruba?
CNN is reporting that there seems to be another dead end in the case. NOTHING was found. They are showing the dogs and police searching, but CNN is reporting that it seems to be another dead end. I think since Natalee’s mom was so mad about the search efforts, this was all a show (part of the Aruban Circus) to go out to this place and search! JORAN, WHERE IS NATALEE?? Please give this poor family some closure! I am so fustrated. I pray that God could give this boy a concious!
CNN is reporting that something that may possibly belong to Natalee was found. They went to a commercial break!
I haven’t heard that it’s a dead end, just that they don’t know yet and it could go either way.
“MOMfromMO Says:
June 14th, 2005 at 4:59 pm
Extra Credit Question for Judge wannabe VDS:
Q: What is the legal age for gambling in Aruba? ”
There probably isnt one like most countries in the world.
I was being sarcastic. The legal age for gambling in Aruba is 18. Joran still 17, was seen gambling with his high-ranking judge wannabe father.
Folks,
I’m outta here til tomorrow.
Please keep Natalee and her family in your thoughts and prayers.
Peace to all.
How as an interrogator are you not able to get a 17 year old to crack about what happened.
Sorry not sure if this has been mentioned have been a bit busy.
How is it that this area that they are searching has not been searched prior to today? I thought there were on going searched from the beginning? This area is near the hotels; one would have thought an area within 1 mile of where Natalee was claimed to have been left would have been searched?
Anyone with that info?
Just watched Fox news and they said that they were about to had a fire truck and a generator to drain that “lake” or whatever that was and that they were at this time still searching and all they found so far was the underwear, condoms, wrappers, and duct tape….This is not looking good….they were saying that it is a mess up on the police part by not searching this area earlier in the week, i dont know..these kids really kept them from the true “scene” of the crime i guess…
i just cant believe the kid told that security guard..obvioulsy he did not know it was him, but i just cant believe how the cops ended up getting information about all this..they couldnt get it out of them, but the two guys you were holding there for the crime in the first place are the guys that get you this lead….GO FIGURE
CNN just reported that general area had been searched, but not this specific location… that’s not very smart
Who is Simon Alveraz?
Did Joran put Natalee on a fishing boat bound for Venezuela?
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/cgi-bin/thread.pl?topic=345
I hope they find her in Aruba!!
Where is everyone?
Destitute and broke due to incurring serious gambling debts in Aruban casinos, Geraldo has been spotted breaking dancing for tips in front of the Holiday Inn on a large piece of cardboard, wearing parachute pants.
wow I’m watching Fox News too, and Geraldo Rivera, if we can believe him and his sources has some more damning things to say about Mr. Van Der Sloot
a) the kid hasn’t got a driver’s licence yet but already has purchased a hot car already to go
b) he is known as an island romeo, especially with the tourist ladies, and he’s out most nights until 3 am in the morning, gambling in casinos….
c) more importantly, he is known as having anger management problems, esp around school
d) here is the kicker – he was involved in taping of the gang banging of a 14 year old girl – now I’d like to hear that confirmed by another source, I think Geraldo said Van Der Sloot got into some trouble over this…..I’m not sure, I’ll have to watch the O Reilly repeat
so, according to Geraldo, the working theory is we have a Robert Chambers type of situation, rough sex that got out of control and he panicked
O Reilly said something about the Aruban police have physical evidence now but he didn’t elucidate either, driving us crazy
Fox News is just reporting that Aruban authorities has stopped draining the pond and are saying they found nothing…..
gee how frustrating
Now were getting somewhere. It can be assumed the crime was unplanned so having a boat available was unlikely and disposing of the body far enough out at sea would be impossible without a boat and thus the body would have washed up on shore in a few days. The only alternative was to bury the body. The caves were too far away so it had to be a beach area where digging is easy. If you’ve handled a dead body and then have to dig a grave is almost impossible for one person with little time—-help was needed. At least two people were involved in disposing of the body—-either Joran and both brothers or any combination thereof! Who the actually murderer is I’ll leave to others.
oh and I forgot this part, about the videotape, he was selling it all over the island, which I imagine is how he got into trouble, I’ll bet he got a slap on the wrists….
now if he had gotten into trouble with police and/or the police knew about this tape, it makes the fact they didn’t detain these three boys from the get go even more suspicious, I would submit
that is if this story from Geraldo holds water – remember Al Capone’s vault
cancon what videotape are you talking about ????
Geraldo Rivera just made this allegation tonight on the O Reilly Factor on Fox News that Joran Van Der Sloot was involved in making of a sex tape, the gang banging of a 14 year old girl which he was selling all over the island and I think Geraldo said he got into some kind of trouble over this…
I’ll keep my eye in Fox to see if Geraldo speaks again
cancon…that’s slightly understating Geraldo’s message…He stated that it’s a coverup. The investigator stated referring to VDS, “How can I do this to him. He’s my son’s best friend.”
He further stated (Geraldo) that the “officials” of the Aruba government (voted by the Arubians) are so over their heads. Most of the peeps we saw on camera are part-time people; they have other jobs…or come from the US…I thought that interesting.
Read how the government of Aruba is structured. The important and substantive parts are appointed by the Queen and that includes the judiciary (Van Der Sloot ring a bell?). The everyday types are excluded from any of the info that the police are getting if anything at all.
Here’s a post from Kip at Monkeys Theories….note the questioning tactics that the quaint Netherlands-type police use to “extract information” from the 17 year old porn star son of HIs Honor, Judge Van Der Sloot:
kip
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:21 am Post subject: Fact not speculation Reply with quote
The Arubian Police Department is not geared to investigate a high profiled
murder investigation of this proportion my scources tell me.First off to begin a interogative the detectives don’t even have a private room to do interogations.Their line of questioning is more polite than it is on a need to know basis and they don’t seem to care about their line of questions.A typical question is and I quote ” Goodmorning,how did you sleep last night?” unbeliveable but true.They do not get in a hurry to put a high profile case on top of their daily agenda.They make a arrest put their suspects in jail and then its like the jailed person takes a number.When that number comes around (almost like a meat counter type of shopping
number).They do a initial interview of about 15 minutes.There is no hardline questioning or no hurridness on their part.Its like oh well thats enough for today.They are a top notch police department mind you,for directing traffic,speeding tickets,depends whom one is if they get a ticket or not though,traffic accidents and the murders and rapes that plague them are literally cold case unsolved and sitting in file cabinets,The Dutch are now feeling the heat from the USA state department,hence top notch investigators are being brought in to help them.The Arubian tourist department is in fear of BOYCOTT threats.Whats worst than anything is that Natalee Holloway could still be alive some lil out post building or home in Aruba.Her captors know they have nothing to worry about,after all they also are probably some higher ups sons.If Natalee is alive godbess you angel! In Aruba the buck stops wherever corruption exists and it certainly does!
To those who seem to think that this would never happen here in the U.S. :
Rather than scorn the Aruban police force, perhaps you might consider comparing them with a small town or rural police force here in the U.S. Less experienced in violent crime yet just as determined to find the guilty ones. Having difficulty believing that one of theirs might actually have committed a violent crime. Yes, if that happened here in the U.S. to a prominent family, would there be some hesitation in arresting the son of that family? I think so…
Most of the posts I read here remind me of the term UGLY AMERICAN. Criticism after criticism of the Aruban police, legal system, etc. Believing that the American way is the only way, no other system is credible or worthy of respect…
I think a lot of this is due to misunderstandings of the Aruban (Dutch) legal system. We fault them for not doing that which they are not allowed to do because of their legal system.
It seems that some of you are so small minded that you can’t conceive of police tactics or methods that are different than ours that might actually work in the long run. We need to remember that our way is NOT the only way.
Once again the almighty America takes one on the chin … this time from a little insignificant island where the native’s primary function is to clean the feces left behind by the American tourists. What a sorry state of affairs … these beggars running Aruba call this farce “a criminal investigation”? Geez …. Inspector Cluseaux would have done a better job!! You would think that by now the residences of these three suspects would have been checked out for eveidence and the suspects submitted to lie detector tests.
No Aruba, no matter how this case turns out, we the patrons of your piece-of-shit island will not forget this … not in a million years.
I call upon the people of the Untited States and its government to demand that this case be turned over to American authorities. This is not only a crime against a beautiful, young American woman, this is a crime against Americans all over the world.
V_B please read my post. I think I wrote this specifically for your kind.
Eat shit Ven … you and all your prostitute fellow Dutch women
From your language you sound like some fine, upstanding red-neck, from the South. Is that true, V_B?
By the way, I am not Dutch, I am full 100% American, but not a red-neck like you. Yee-haw, V-B!
Villain breaker, you are an arrogant fool. And you can’t see that your country is slowly but surely breaking apart. There is enough crap going on there (patriot act renewal; increased poverty; possible draft; terrible health care; raising gas prices; constant enviromental damage;whole media owned by a few corporations) that within ten or twenty years it won’t be a country to live in anymore. The United States (which is NOT America, but merely part of the American continent) won’t be that mighty anymore in the future, because of your own greediness and ignorance. Look at your own crap before you start pointing fingers.
ok, u two. treat eachother with a little more respect! You sound so ignorant- both of you. I want to know more about natalee- not childish hateful posts. no one else wants to read that!
Ven,
Sorry but there is no excuse for letting the last two known people to “LEAVE” with Natalee…not seen with but LEAVE with her and question them and simply set them free… That is poor in any book and basic crime investigation. They gave these punks 10 days to cover there tracks. So any greif the Aruba police force is getting for it well deserved.
Personnally I don’t think they are one damn bit closer to knowing what happened to her than on day one. That too may very well be due to there system of interogartion or lack of it is more like it. It speaks volumes that they would jump at the information provided by the guard that was released based on his conversation with one of them. First of all why the hell would this kid tell HIM the truth anyway. He wouldn’t…. I tend to believe that If only one of them was guilty they would of cracked by now. Or anther possiblity is that something else has them scared for there life or life of family that they won’t speak out. No matter how you cut it they KNOW what happened too her and the authories should do what EVER is necessary to get it out of them….. Just my humble opinion… bottom line the police *ucked up or are covering up.
they could not be telling the media everything! look what kind of speculations it creates
Arubian,
More people immigrate to the U.S. than Aruba. Aruba is a semi banana republic. Come on be honest…nobady wants to live in Aruba…??
Justin T you make some very logical and unemotional points, unlike those by others (like V_B).
Of course the Aruban police have made mistakes, which has earned them much of the criticism they are getting, HOWEVER, my point is only this: they are making mistakes because of their inexperience with violent crimes not because they are incompetent fools. Does this inexperience also make them deserving of such hateful remarks as I’ve read here?
I’ve been to Aruba many times, lived in that area for about ten years, love it and plan on returning. In all of the years that I’ve been there I have never heard of anything like this happening. I pray to God that Natalee will be found safe and sound.
People ….. please, come to your senses. You go on a wild goose chase based upon what some joker said the guy in the cell next to him said …. please …. what is this a stupid comedy?
They’re killing that poor mother with these foolish displays of criminal investigation incompetence
Give me enough money and I’d move there in a second….just give me time to pack.
Do you really think that those things do not happen here? C’mon!
things happen everywhere. its how they are dealt with that counts.
The Former Sheriff’s Deputy wishes everyone a good evening.
I think the chance that Natalee is found alive is minimal. I think the folks in Aruba should get real agressive with those 3 men. I also feel that the chapersons did a very poor job of keeping an eye out for these kids. I am willing to bet that the chapersons either went for free or had their fees subsidized by the students who footed the full ride. I think these chaperons have a lot of explaining to do. I think they need to come out from their hiding spots and answer some of the tough questions. These chapersons appear to have been the trip stooges — Larry, Curly and Moe. Dopes!
Deputy
And if MOMfromMO stands up for these dope slaps one more time, I think I will pukel
Here is what we need to do. We need to force all those chaperons to return to Aruba and look for Natalee. For every day they don’t find her, they get a kick in the rear end.
Deputy
Here is what we need to do. We need to force all those chaperons to return to Aruba and look for Natalee. For every day they don’t find her, they get a kick in the rear end.
Deputy
As a teacher, I agree with you on the lack of supervision. When we did school sponsored trips (which we don’t do anymore due to liabilities) we counted heads before we left the hotel and counted heads before we left wherever we were to return to the hotel. Kids NEVER went anywhere without another person and for 99% of the time—and always at night—they were chaperoned by the teachers. In a tragedy like this no one wants to point fingers but hopefully we will all learn a lesson from this sad event.
Ven Chi,
In all due respect, I think we need to point fingers and repeatedly make points about the stupidity of this whole situation. We have chaperons who did not supervise. As a result, we have a missing child who is most is likely dead. The answer is to not let those responsible off the hook. We need to hold them accountable.
Why? So in the future, parents learn to ask some of the hard hitting questions before they send Johnie or Janie off on the alcholic trip of a life time.
Deputy
Ven Chi,
In all due respect, I think we need to point fingers and repeatedly make points about the stupidity of this whole situation. We have chaperons who did not supervise. As a result, we have a missing child who is most is likely dead. The answer is to not let those responsible off the hook. We need to hold them accountable.
Why? So in the future, parents learn to ask some of the hard hitting questions before they send Johnie or Janie off on the alcholic trip of a life time.
Deputy
Ven Chi,
In all due respect, I think we need to point fingers and repeatedly make points about the stupidity of this whole situation. We have chaperons who did not supervise. As a result, we have a missing child who is most is likely dead. The answer is to not let those responsible off the hook. We need to hold them accountable.
Why? So in the future, parents learn to ask some of the hard hitting questions before they send Johnie or Janie off on the alcholic trip of a life time.
Deputy
Ven Chi,
In all due respect, I think we need to point fingers and repeatedly make points about the stupidity of this whole situation. We have chaperons who did not supervise. As a result, we have a missing child who is most is likely dead. The answer is to not let those responsible off the hook. We need to hold them accountable.
Why? So in the future, parents learn to ask some of the hard hitting questions before they send Johnie or Janie off on the alcholic trip of a life time.
Deputy
I think the chaperones were just there as a “symbolic gesture”. No way for such a small number to truly chaperone over 100 “legal age adults”. I’m sure their personal priority was keeping up with their own “kids” on the trip and were just there for the rest of the hundred for emergency situations. Their presence was a false sense of security for the rest of the parents who didn’t attend.
Well, I want to know why the chaperones have never even been mentioned. Were they not at Carlos n Charlie’s at all the night Natalee disappeared? Have they been questioned? The only reference I have seen referring to the chaperones is that the parents do not hold them responsible. That comment was made ( I think) by Natalee’s father. I can not imagine him still feeling that way. Have you heard anything about the chaperones making any comments?
Deputy,
We have chaperones who didn’t supervise and we also have friends or classmates who didn’t watch out for each other. Don’t we teach our kids to never go out alone? And then of course, there is the issue of allowing underage drinking. I am convinced that the parents who didn’t attend this trip as well as the parents who did (as chaperones) knew and allowed the kids to drink while in Aruba. That in itself is a recipe for disaster.
For someone not accustomed to drinking, 1 drink can be overwhelming.
Ven Chi,
I hate to admit it, but this was a bunch of South Red Necks on the drinking trip of a life time. It is my understanding that the school coaches and their wives were the chaperons. They probably went for free or were probably subsidized. And lets be candid here, coaches are not the most intelligent people in the world -hilka, hilka.
Deputy
Ven Chi,
I hate to admit it, but this was a bunch of South Red Necks on the drinking trip of a life time. It is my understanding that the school coaches and their wives were the chaperons. They probably went for free or were probably subsidized. And lets be candid here, coaches are not the most intelligent people in the world -hilka, hilka.
Deputy
Ven Chi,
I hate to admit it, but this was a bunch of Southern Red Necks on the drinking trip of a life time. It is my understanding that the school coaches and their wives were the chaperons. They probably went for free or were probably subsidized. And lets be candid here, coaches are not the most intelligent people in the world -hilka, hilka.
Deputy
antoine: The only misinformation has been supplied by your government… Amy Bradly has in fact gone missing on your Inland…. and the Holloway case will soon fellow.,…. Your country
again are experts at covering – up crimes in your
country… the FBI has nominated them the disappearances Capital of the World……….
BTW wheres natalee and amy… in a crack house………….
I think you’re bashing the chaperones a bit too much, since the trip was NOT school sponsored. The “kids” were also 18, of legal age. My understanding is the chaperones were there to provide assistance if there was a problem such as illness, transportation, etc. They were not “head counters” or baby-sitters. As for adults going along for free, that’s standard proceedure on any trip that someone organizes. The real question is why would anyone organize such a trip for a bunch of 18 year olds?
Aruba is a nice place to go for those who want to relax and have a great time. However, in this particular case, the bullshit should stop. A crime has been committed, of a serious nature, weither it be kidnapping or murder. I believe that creative interogation methiods should be used, Tazer, attitude adjustment, truth serium, or just a good ole country ass whuppin.
If Natallee is found deceased, then foul play is evident. Unless it can be PROVEN that there was no foul play. The three young individuals know what happened, Get the truth, what ever it takes, play time is over. Either that or send him to atlanta, I am sure we can get the truth out of him, sooner or later. We can play that way or an even more undesireable situation could take place, like maybe 50 to 100 merc types head in that direction to resolve the situation. Of couese the Merc types may not be desireable but then again RED NECKS are about as desireable.
ARUBIAN SAYS !! this one is for you. We know that this country is being fed-ex’ed to hell in a hand cart over night, it is a planned situation, I suggest you do some reading, I will help you out here. Check out this first, “Committee of 300″ by Dr. John Coleman ( a triple Phd ) “Between two Ages ” By Zibignew Brizinski. Then read the “Reconstruction Act” and how about the “New Deal that was F.D.R’s little game” then look at the for example, Marxist Manifesto, then look around at what is happening to this country. Yeah this country is going to hell, it’s part of the deal. Undesireable by many, but that’s the way it is. However this doesn’t have anything to do with the current situation here, Natallee is missing and no doubt dead, and if found dead Justice had BETTER be carried out. If no body, then I believe there are many who will be watching Mr. Van Der Slooth in the future. Just chomping at the bit to spend some time with him. Think about it, the Arubian Govt is obviously covering this situation up. Vander Slooth is safe in jail, ……………………….good place to keep him, or send him on vacation to the U.S. I bet it wouldn’t be long before he would be singing like a bird. I have no compassion for this crew, I believe they shoud castrate them and put them inthe ocean for the shark fest especially if found guilty.
Ven Chi
you are quite right, not only can we compare this to the small town police of anytown USA, where they are also not used to homicide investigations, and everyone knows each other, but look at what happened in the OJ case – supposedly the LA police department would have one of the most if not most experienced forensic experts in the world and yet they made enough mistakes in the OJ case to create reasonable doubt…..
and as also noted by other pundits, if an Aruban girl was killed in Chicago, I don’t the Chicago police would be thrilled if 20 Aruban cops showed up on their door step, I don’t the Chicago police would be thrilled if 20 NYC cops or 20 FBI agents showed up on their door step
on the other hand, if you got expertise at your disposal, you should put your pride aside and avail yourself of it
further as noted by the pundits, if Aruba is so concerned about its tourist reputation this dragging on and seeming incompetence of this case is not going to help, so why you wouldn’t use all the FBI agents at your disposal, assuming that is the case
I also suspect that it was the Holloway family that got the FBI involved in the first place, they seem to have friends in high places, and that may have ruffled some feathers but again, that is the problem with organizations like cops, swallow your pride and do what is in the best interests of the missing girl and your country, which is resolve this case as quickly as possible whilst observing all the laws of the land……
but you know what they say, the first 48 hours is always the most crucial in any homicide or missing persons case and that has indeed passed
it is pretty sad when the security guards seem to have gotten the best information out of the suspects
maybe the security guards should be made deputies or something, they are owed something for the injustice they have suffered – it seems the only reason they were arrested was on the word of 3 liars and in fact it seems to me that the Aruba Trio here didn’t even specify these 2 particular security guards so it is even more baffling why they were picked up and it seems the security guards and their lawyers are equally baffled……
Good morning from the former Sheriff’s Deputy. If this situation didn’t involve a child, I would say it is almost laughable.
There have been a lot of major errors involving this case.
#1) Mom and Daddy Holloway agree to send their daughter on the alcohol binge trip of a lifetime.
#2) Trip had chaperons who did not chaperon.
#3) Natalee seems to be commom sense impared.
#4) Natalee’s freinds did N-O-T-H-I-N-G when they saw one of the own making a dumb choice.
What next? Pigs fly….
Deputy
The Deputy thinks that these chaperons should be answering some of the hard questions publicly versus hiding their hind ends in the teachers lounge.
They screwed up, big time — it is time to own up to their mistakes!
Deputy
The “Deputy” makes some good points. Why have we not heard from the trip chaperons? I’d like to know this. I would have thought that the chaperons would want to clear the air.
Dawn
O’Reilly said he will have students who made the trip on his show tonight.
I think, and I am very serious, that if the fact that Joran Van Der Sloot is the son of a member of the judicial system results in Joran not being convicted that people should organize and stop American high schoolsand other institutions from sponsoring trips to Aruba, and we should make eveyr effort to boycott Aruba period. An American citizen disappeared in Aruba and she spent her final moments with Joran. He is the last person seen with her alive. If an accident happened, he would have reported it immediately. He is responsible for her death or Elvis is playing poker with Tupac at Andy Kaufman’s Steak House. If Joran Van Der Sloot is not put on trial, we cannot trust the government of Aruba to protect its visitors.
what makes this any different if it was happening to an American in America, or it was another foreigner missing in America, perhaps Palm Springs? Would you all be nearly as concerned? Something happens to a precious American in another country, and all of a sudden Americans get ready to blacklist the country. Thank God the nations which lost residents to the WTC attacks don’t feel the same way you do. This has no greater weight than ANY murder, they all come down to one fact: Somebody lost their life. Who cares where it happened, it’s sad in any case.
I would just like to say as a college student who at during high school took several trips abroad, that trying to pin this on the chaperons is not realistic. They do their part to do room checks and keep an eye on the students, but speaking from personal experience, those chaperons have to sleep sometime too!!! I am sure that the chaperons allowed them to stay out to a specified time and conducted room checks. After that point, the students are supposed to “stay in their rooms”. At 18, how many of us can say that we did everything we were told especially when tempted by the excitment of a new surrounding?!? I don’t think that this is in any way a fault of the chaperons or parents. The friends probably feel bad enough that their friend is missing and possibly dead. They saw her having a good time and probably thought that she was leaving with a nice guy. All of us make poor decisions, but not ones that risk our lives . . until they do.
I WILL PRAY FOR YOU, NATALEE!!!
I really believe that the arubian police know more than they are saying. I believe that the dutch boy is responsible. We can not allow this boy to get away with whatever he has done. Harsh punishment is what should be done. I am absolutly angry that this situation has not been solved. I work in mountainbrook, alabama in the general area where Natalee lives. Its time that we all take a stand and support her family! Don’t let this die, keep on till Natalee is found!!!!!!! I support the holloway family and I will continue to pray for her safe return.
i guess the police has to search on jvds house i dreamed natalee was put inside the cement closet at the wall another wall was built n netalee inside that doubled walled corner of thier house
A few years back in Salem, MA there was a missing woman case. The police suspected she was murdered but they couldn’t find the body. The police chief was a friend of Laurie Cabot, a clairevoyant (also the official witch of Salem). Anyway, as a last resort they contacted her, hoping she would be able to help them locate the body. As incredible as it seems, she was able to direct them to the place where this woman was murdered. They found her in a car that was dumped off a bridge into the water. Laurie was able to see the exact place where the body was dumped.
I just thought that possibly Laurie Cabot would be able to help in the search for Natalee. She has a website: http://www.lauriecabot.com
She’s a very strange lady, but if she could locate Natalee, I’m sure it would be worth it.
Please pass this message to whom ever would be willing to try this method of locating Natalee.
Thank you,
Did Aruba officials keep the underwear and condoms for DNA testing? I hope so. Doesn’t matter if it is a place for romance, those things still should be tested. How much longer do we have to wait to hear the prosecutions evidence and case? Come Thursday if they keep Joran will the case begin against him? Seems to be taking along time.
…if she can’t be found on land or carribean sea, then she has got to be hidden somewhere..buried or inclosed somewhere. Is there a place that joran’s father knows about that is good for hiding things? Have officials checked into places he goes to or have they done research places he frequents or possibly wrote about at one time. I can’t help to feel that the answers are on the surface and we are just not seeing them. But, that might be because this case is so quiet with no leaks or knowledge of what the officials know so far.
i hope they find her alive for her family sake they have been through alot something just dont seem right with those boys and i am praying for her and her family i watch it on tv when ever it is on my heart goes out to u all……….
I am trying to find more info to what I heard last night (Tuesday July 26th) I heard that authorities were draining a pond in search for the Alabama teen. Now it is a good 17 hrs later and still no news. So does anyone know what is going on there?
In response to the boys, no it doesnt sound right and every dog has its day. Weather we are able to give them or him that is not up to us. ! way or another the people or persons involved will get theirs!