Natalee Holloway Information IV


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    235 Responses to “Natalee Holloway Information IV”

    1. John from NH on June 8th, 2005 5:30 pm

      Start this off on the right foot please. Nobody knows if somebody was raped or killed.

    2. John from NH on June 8th, 2005 5:31 pm

      Let’s keep the hope alive!!!

    3. Jacob on June 8th, 2005 5:32 pm

      I am requesting that ALL americans boycott travel to Aruba, and if you already have plans to go there, to not eat at CnC Restaurant when you are there.

      And please, if you have young children, especially daughters, planning to go there, lock them in their bedrooms, better safe than sorry when dealing with Aruba and the CnC Restaurant chain.

    4. Tom on June 8th, 2005 5:33 pm


      If you are looking for a job, the DNC is hiring. They need someone at the top who can stay on topic.

    5. Kortnie on June 8th, 2005 5:33 pm

      John from NH: As Just Wondering reminded us, the authorities are using the word “murder.”

    6. MOMfromMO on June 8th, 2005 5:34 pm

      New Mastercard commercial:

      Trip to Aruba: $159 (and dropping)
      Trip to Carlos & Charlies: Lifeless

      Okay, I apologize. My lighter side took over momentarily.

      I do pray for Natalee and her family.

    7. Jacob on June 8th, 2005 5:34 pm

      I want charges brought against the 3 young white boys that were seeng luring Natalee into a silver car. Most likely, these 3 young men knew that Natalee was drunk, knew she was only 18, knew it was her last night there, and then thought they could get away with it. Charges of kidnapping and rape should be brought against those 3 criminals that took her out of the restaurant, I don’t care if one of those guys is the son of a judge, if his father the judge doesn’t like the fact that his son is a criminal, than throw the father in jail also. Time to get tough with these island folks, lay down the law with these punks, and if they don’t like – then BAN all travel to Aruba, turn it into Cuba #2.

    8. MOMfromMO on June 8th, 2005 5:36 pm

      Jacob…Jacob!! I agree with you..We get it already, but repeating yourself won’t get ‘er done.

    9. marie from maine on June 8th, 2005 5:41 pm

      i think the kids are punks to, i am tired of all this tiop toeing around it they are criminals- they are getting away with this behavior and will do it again if someone doesnt do something about this whole thing- i betchya anything they slipped the poor honey a roofie, lets just hope that she ran and is hiding someplace PLEEEEEASE let us just hope!

    10. marie from maine on June 8th, 2005 5:42 pm

      i will never boycot aruba – but i will never go to carlos and charlies again!
      the island needs to get back to basics- rid of all these drugs and crap

    11. Jacob on June 8th, 2005 5:45 pm

      Aruba’s role in illicit drugs can also not be overlooked.

      Aruba is a transit point for drugs heading towards North America and Europe, also lots of money laundering going on there. Would not surprise me if the people involved in that also frequent Carlos n Charlie’s restaurant, perhaps they even run it. I want the books opened, full audits of the money and assets behind Carlos and Charlies Restaurant, I want things to be transparent down there.

      I’ve seen pictures of this crime joint Carlos and Charlies, women and girls in next to nothing dancing on the bar, dancing on tabes, riding wooden horses in a suggestive manner, this is a lot more than just a spot where one orders food, this is a quasi strip-club with a seedy criminal element in the background, and we know thsi for a fact.

      The two women from Boston will hopefully provide more information about their experience of being assaulted after eating at Carlos and Charlies within the coming days, there is a lot of dirt that is slowly seeping up through the cracks, and the Aruban officials can no longer contain it.

    12. Tom on June 8th, 2005 5:45 pm

      I will go to Aruba. I have never been there, but this instance could have happenned anywhere. The people have stood up and have tried to do what they can. I think that some of the political types may be shady in this, but overall the Islands people and government have responded magnificently.

    13. John from NH on June 8th, 2005 5:46 pm

      I have seen the word murder in some headlines. There have also been reports of no evidence to back up those allegations? I think I also heard that the tips and leads are coming in slow and the investigation is slowing.

    14. Donna on June 8th, 2005 5:48 pm

      john I couldn’t agree with you more

    15. Donna on June 8th, 2005 5:49 pm

      how can you declare murder without a body, their way of handling investigations are different than US

    16. Jacob on June 8th, 2005 5:50 pm

      No evidence means just that the murder was planned well and executed well, the criminals probably had a dumping location chosen long before the crime was executed. I would start by tearing up the floorboards of Carlos And Charlies restaurant, would not surprise me a bit if she was dumped in the basement of that crime joint. I also want searches conducted of all the friends of the 3 boys who lured her into the silver car, and searches of friends of the 2 men that are currently in custody.

      Something is very shady here, I expect more major developments in the coming days, I also expect more women to come forward and provide their horror stories about trips they took to Aruba, especially tourists who ate at this “restaurant” Carlos And Charlies.

    17. Donna on June 8th, 2005 5:50 pm

      i’ll go with you tom, there is no fingers to be pointed on aruba

    18. Tommy on June 8th, 2005 5:50 pm

      Jacob you are so stupid , if one girl go missing in Ny .people won;t go there anymore
      what kind of idiot are you

    19. Jacob on June 8th, 2005 5:51 pm

      Murder can easily be declared without a body.

      There are many murderers that have been convicted in America when a body was never found.

      A body is not necessary to charge and convict someone of murder, as those 2 punks in Aruba are finding out the hard way.

    20. Donna on June 8th, 2005 5:52 pm

      jacob has been on this negative crap all day, he is so full of crap

    21. marie from maine on June 8th, 2005 5:52 pm

      oh brother!

    22. Mona on June 8th, 2005 5:52 pm

      7 minutes and then watch CNN

    23. Jacob on June 8th, 2005 5:52 pm

      Tommy ? who said it was one girl ? How stupid can you be to discount all the other horrible experiences regarding that one restaurant ???

      First of all, New York has a huge amount more people, and if one restaurant in New York kept contributing to rapes and disappearances, then your analogy would be sufficient to include in this discussion.

    24. Duck from Dallas on June 8th, 2005 5:53 pm

      Jacob must run the competitor to Carlos n Charlies…. lol

    25. Donna on June 8th, 2005 5:53 pm

      FACTS ON RAPE? please, JACOB?

    26. John from NH on June 8th, 2005 5:53 pm

      I also would like to commend the people of Aruba for there response. I also will travel to Aruba again. I don’t know what goes on behind the scene at CNC but I have been there. To me it seemed like any other dance club In any other vacation city or town!

    27. marie from maine on June 8th, 2005 5:54 pm

      what will they have on cnn? i really hope they address WHY THE HECK these three slimy little brats are not locked up and their crooked father also! the government needs to make an example — i thikn this coverup is bigger than any of us think…

    28. Duck from Dallas on June 8th, 2005 5:54 pm

      Jacob have you ever even been to a Carlos n Charlies?

    29. Tommy on June 8th, 2005 5:55 pm

      get a life jacob

    30. Jacob on June 8th, 2005 5:55 pm

      Duck From Dallas, I am proud to say that I have not been, and I also would recommend that others (especially young females) avoid that spot at all costs, no worth risking your life for a piece of food.

    31. John from NH on June 8th, 2005 5:56 pm

      Should we ban all dancing and music? And also MTV?

    32. jessica on June 8th, 2005 5:57 pm

      I went to aruba last year with my school. we all went to carlos n charlies. nothing happened. I love aruba and their people

    33. rob on June 8th, 2005 5:58 pm


    34. Donna on June 8th, 2005 5:58 pm

      smiles, jessica

    35. Jacob on June 8th, 2005 5:58 pm

      Day #10 of Natalee’s disappearance is also here, it is time for the FBI and Aruban officials to take off the kid-gloves and throw some serious charges at the 3 kids who initially lured Natalee into the car. Also, it must not be overlooked that Carlos And Charlies bartenders may have been deliberately pouring drinks too strong for Natalee – which we have proof of on other occasions, I would not hesitate on throwing some aiding and abetting charges on those bartenders and management, and also keep the homicide charges on the 2 men that already are facing those charges. Time to crack down on all thte parties involved here, seize their assets, and serve them with severe jail sentences.

    36. marie from maine on June 8th, 2005 6:00 pm

      you are right john- it is MUCH worse at night clubs in mexico… aruba has just always been above us in all of this,, safe, friendly, happy, as though untouched by the evils of the world, the past few years has been progressively worse, and alot of arubians more cynical and etc… i think that C&C’s is a typical vacation spot, but it is out of control right now- i mean they let preteens in there to dirty dance and do jello shots while their folks are out gambling… there is no accountibility – until something like this happens… unfortunately they need to be doing more in this search than kicking in 5 grand thats for sure!

    37. Donna on June 8th, 2005 6:00 pm

      Jacob, did you attend “idiot school”?

    38. John from NH on June 8th, 2005 6:00 pm

      I do have to agree these three kids seem to be getting off scott free!!!

    39. John from NH on June 8th, 2005 6:02 pm

      I think something is very fishy there!!!

    40. Jacob on June 8th, 2005 6:02 pm

      Donna, if you want to defend guys that go around luring drunk young girls into cars only to rape them later and perhaps even kill them, then go ahead.

    41. rob on June 8th, 2005 6:02 pm

      donna u got that rignt lol

    42. John from NH on June 8th, 2005 6:04 pm

      Three white guys who admit to being the last to see her go free while two black guys who claim to have never seen her are being held?

    43. Donna on June 8th, 2005 6:04 pm

      show me the site or the proof that says these guys did that, jacob, and i will appologize, show me a site or proof that says these guys RAPED anyone, ok? do that for me, PLEASE!

    44. marie from maine on June 8th, 2005 6:04 pm

      they are getting off “too scott free” the police cant be this stupid=
      maybe they are waiting for one of them to slip- and lead them someplace, which they cant do behind bars…. well it is a theory at least… better than the cop-out of daddys about to be a judge!

    45. D on June 8th, 2005 6:05 pm

      I was shocked when I heard this news from my family about Nathalee’s disappearance . I grew up in Aruba and am currently living and doing an internship in New York City.

      I hope all of this turns out ok. And that they will find Nathalee back.

      I’ve been reading what has been posted on this website and I can understand that everybody is worried and have mixed feelings.

      However I have to say that Aruba is a wonderful place to live. Very safe, for such a MULTICULTURAL community it is amazing how well everybody gets along with each other.

      Aruban People are not only black, not only white, not only of Indian descent , but are a mix of everything as a result of its history.

      Please keep on supporting the family and pray for her save return.
      However don’t blame anyone or post hurtful remarks on this website. You can’t say anything until you find out the truth, right?

    46. timmie on June 8th, 2005 6:06 pm

      I go to cancun every summer and there its way to crazy.aruba is not like that
      I went last year and met local guys it was ok

    47. Jacob on June 8th, 2005 6:06 pm

      And for those saying there is not enough evidence, there is more than enough evidence to continue holding two suspects in the disappearance of Natalee as the Judge stated today.

      Also, the stories from both men seem to be contradictory in nature, if they were telling the truth – the truth would not be contradicting the truth.

      We definitely have the correct men here, but the next question is if we have ALL of the correct men in jail facing charges. My best guess as of now is no, and I would ask for more charges to be filed against the 3 boys who preyed on the drunk 18 year old girl, and possible charges and civil suits against the management of CnC Restaurant.

    48. Donna on June 8th, 2005 6:07 pm

      so true, D

    49. Donna on June 8th, 2005 6:09 pm

      is Jacob on instant replay? I say this as our gov speaks to us now! I am Alabama, and Jacob, I suggest you get a LIFE !

    50. Duck from Dallas on June 8th, 2005 6:09 pm

      Jacob you keep saying these three boys lured her….. can you post us a link to where you got this information? Or are you just making it up?

    51. marie from maine on June 8th, 2005 6:10 pm

      tough crowd

    52. timmie on June 8th, 2005 6:10 pm

      good one donna

    53. Jacob on June 8th, 2005 6:11 pm

      Duck from Dallas, do you think a girl would just go off in a car with 3 complete strangers, or do you think it is more likely she was fairly drunk and they coerced her into that car ???

      using common sense, I know which way I am leaning in that question

    54. Donna on June 8th, 2005 6:13 pm

      im watching video now

    55. Donna on June 8th, 2005 6:15 pm

      our gov is in contact with her family and has offered any assistant from our state as needed, no new evidence, no strong leads

    56. Amy on June 8th, 2005 6:15 pm

      And the subject is still Natalee Holloway right?

    57. Donna on June 8th, 2005 6:16 pm

      on this link, yes!

    58. John from NH on June 8th, 2005 6:16 pm

      Right on D! Let’s all calm down wait and see what happens. Lets not pass judgement until we know all of the evidence. My wife and I felt very safe in Aruba. Which is more than we can say for some parts of Boston. In the USA it’s innocemt until proven guilty.

    59. John from NH on June 8th, 2005 6:18 pm

      Amy I know what you are saying! SOme people are getting away from the purpose of this site.

    60. Kortnie on June 8th, 2005 6:18 pm

      I just watched “A Current Affair” because I knew there would be something about Natalee on it. And there was. An interview with a VERY BLONDE woman from Atlanta named Emily who was in Aruba 3 wks ago. She recognized one of the Security Guard suspects as being the one who harassed her on the beach twice – the second time making a sexual reference.

      Emily is as blonde as Natalee. Obviously this Security Guard was after a blonde.

    61. Donna on June 8th, 2005 6:20 pm

      just what we need here in alabama, a tropical depression! lol

    62. John from NH on June 8th, 2005 6:20 pm

      Does anyone know anyting more of these three questioable characters? Somebody has to know something else about them? How are these guys flying under the radar? I bet we will find out more real soon!!!

    63. Kortnie on June 8th, 2005 6:20 pm

      Y’know John from NH your wife was with her husband, understand?

      You and your wife’s situation is not a clone of Natalee’s.

    64. Donna on June 8th, 2005 6:21 pm

      speculation, kortnie

    65. Duck from Dallas on June 8th, 2005 6:22 pm

      Just because a adult female is drunk doesn’t mean ergo you coerced her to do anything…. lol

      Heck I’ve known a few girls who when drunk were a bit coersive themselves though. :)

      The word I have seen on other sites is that they were not complete strangers by the end of the trip though. Rather someone they had gotten to know that week. I think my info is right on that.

      I would not find teens hooking up on a vacation necessarily anything sinister, with or without alcohol. Much less drugs.

      These three seem to be the most likely to be involved IMO. Considering the rumors that they have admitted to consensual relations with the girl before aledgedly dropping her off at the HI.

    66. Jacob on June 8th, 2005 6:23 pm

      Kortnie, stick with A Current Affair, they were probably the first to break the scoop about one of the boys being the son of a judge.

      Also, you are correct about the white/blonde fetish that many island residents seem to desire.

      Hopefully, that woman that A Current Affair featured today will be used as a prosecution witness to display that these men being held definitely had an agenda with meeting white blonde-haired american women.

      everyday that goes by, more dirt will continue to come out, just goes to show how unreliable those stats are, that women on A Current Affair would have never said a word unless she had heard about Natalee, and the same with the 2 women in Boston who kept quiet for two years until they heard about what happened to Natalee, lord only knows what is really going on in Aruba.

    67. Donna on June 8th, 2005 6:23 pm

      so weird how ppl read into things, i agree with you john

    68. Donna on June 8th, 2005 6:25 pm

      jacob hit rewind, lol

    69. Jacob on June 8th, 2005 6:26 pm

      People, I apologize for me rediculous behaviour

    70. JUNIT-IA on June 8th, 2005 6:26 pm

      Jacob I have not said a word to you this whole day, hoping your comments would stop…… I am just amazed that you actually believe this stuff…. I feel you are on here to get under the skin of people who are truely concerned….. You seem to have an almost racist tone that I myself will not take anymore….. Calling them “these island people”, constantly saying she is a white women, and even calling the two men in custody “colored” in an earlier comment…… I think others will agree.

    71. Duck from Dallas on June 8th, 2005 6:26 pm

      “white/blonde fetish that many island residents seem to desire.”

      Gee, and I didn’t even know I was a islander.

    72. Donna on June 8th, 2005 6:27 pm

      I agree junit, he is beside himself!

    73. Donna on June 8th, 2005 6:28 pm

      I wonder what he would have to say about the women on gulf shores island in alabama, lmao

    74. John from NH on June 8th, 2005 6:31 pm

      Yes she was with me. I wasn’t saying our expieience was totaly the same just saying we had been there and it didn’t seem that out of the ordinary to me. I guess I wasn’t afraid to leave her alone when I used the bathroom. Niether of us were propasitioned to bye drugs there either. Someone did ask us down by Playa Linda though.

    75. Iara on June 8th, 2005 6:32 pm

      Of course Kortnie, because blond *is* the standard of beauty…..sure…..
      It may not be a “blond” thing but it is true that American women (especially those who are White) have a *world-wide* reputation of being promiscuous and sexually ambitious. This does not justify aggressive behavior but if all of the women refused the attention and did not get drunk in public and dance on table tops etc these guys would have nothing to go on.

      And there still is no concrete evidence that has been released stating that this young lady was murdered. She is missing and lets hope that she is alive.

    76. Kortnie on June 8th, 2005 6:32 pm

      I’m glad Emily mustered the nerve to come forward with her own experience concerning one of these “guards” (I use that term very loosely here).

      She didn’t have to.

    77. John from NH on June 8th, 2005 6:33 pm

      I hear you ther duck!

    78. Mother 2 on June 8th, 2005 6:33 pm

      I just think it is weird if a mother, whoes daughter is “kidnapped” or ” missing” , when on TV with a message sais the following:
      Natalee, please call me… and looks straight into the camera into Natalee’s eyes…..
      I would beg the people who would have my duaghter, to be please return her safely. But I guess all of us is different…

    79. J Reyes on June 8th, 2005 6:34 pm

      re: 3 guys left with Natalee—-

      = the people who allegedly dropped her off to a said destination ( if they are even telling the truth).
      = the last known ppl who admittedly saw her.

      truly obvious, im not going to ellaborate.

      I would like to comment on ppl with their rant’s and rave’s addressing the girl:
      ** who hasn’t sinned should cast the first stone
      – your a SINNER, you probably love teen porn than anyone else here in this board.

      You judged the person for how she looked? how she dressed? how accurately, and in detail, you knew that she was drinking and how she partied. How you got into the conclusion what she did. You poor soul, don’t have a clue, go out there and find a solution instead of wasting your time typing your pitiful remarks.

      You blame the country, the bar and the people of Aruba?? geeze. C’mon Get a grip of reality.
      At least the ppl of Aruba searched for her. And what did you do?? nothing but cry like a pig, blame blame blame, and whine what happened.
      Enough said.

    80. Kortnie on June 8th, 2005 6:35 pm

      What I meant, John, was that your wife had a one-on-one protector, YOU.

      Natalee was with 100+ other students “protected” by 7 chaperones.

    81. Donna on June 8th, 2005 6:38 pm

      Mustard? Kort, I thought I was with you, but, im gussing I am NOT. Mustard! I see mustarding in this case a a ramson for ppl that want free income! If any of these ppl had cases, why wait until now to expose them, I know that answer, because our GOV is behind this, because Natalees parents came to rescue, get over the past, we are in the presnt and the future, if any of this “things” that is currently being adressed now is true, then WHY didn’t those that were concerned do as Natalees parents are NOW?

    82. Amy on June 8th, 2005 6:38 pm

      What about lie detector tests?
      Why has no one has considered this?
      Even though in Aruba there is no such thing, I wonder if it is even prohibited by Dutch Law?

    83. Kortnie on June 8th, 2005 6:39 pm

      What’s your problem? That’s how “mustered” is spelled.

    84. Mona on June 8th, 2005 6:39 pm

      hello, back again, any news?

    85. Amy on June 8th, 2005 6:40 pm

      I mean permitted by Dutch Law.

    86. Donna on June 8th, 2005 6:40 pm

      no news mono

    87. Donna on June 8th, 2005 6:41 pm

      im not doing here

    88. Mona on June 8th, 2005 6:42 pm


    89. Donna on June 8th, 2005 6:43 pm

      not you mona

    90. Mona on June 8th, 2005 6:43 pm

      That’s what I was wondering too
      Lie detector prove pretty well, don’t they?

    91. Amy on June 8th, 2005 6:43 pm

      No nothing since the press briefing of this afternoon. I think untill tomorrow around noon I can provide you with new details… Not that there is much going on, as you might know. But you never know there could be “breaking news”.

    92. Mona on June 8th, 2005 6:44 pm

      got it hahahaha

    93. Mona on June 8th, 2005 6:44 pm

      I think somebody is playing those three monkeys on top of this website here……

    94. John from NH on June 8th, 2005 6:45 pm

      Kortnie I understand. I find it hard to believe that her “friends” Let her go alone with these men.

    95. Kortnie on June 8th, 2005 6:45 pm

      You don’t have to, Donna. “To muster” is a verb. I wasn’t talking about the noun “mustard” as you seem to think.

    96. Mona on June 8th, 2005 6:46 pm

      JOhn, what is your favorite resort on the island?

    97. Gabriel Leo on June 8th, 2005 6:48 pm

      Kortnie still is angry with the world and still uses the rape alligations. GOOD GOING KORTnie. The world is a better place ;)

    98. Amy on June 8th, 2005 6:49 pm

      I think you are good the go with a ‘Natalee Holloway Chatroom’.
      Since this does looks like a chatroom.
      Two thumbs up though with covering the case of ‘Natalee Holloway’.
      Americans are very good people to, seeing how you stick up for one another.
      Very remarkable.

    99. Mona on June 8th, 2005 6:49 pm

      hey gabriel
      bon bini back ;)

    100. Kortnie on June 8th, 2005 6:49 pm

      Well, John, these students are just one year away from still being legally considered children. I mean, I really don’t think too much can be expected from her friends – they are all VERY young, feel immortal, have led pretty charmed lives…and, as the oft-used saying goes, “never thought it would happen to us.”

      It’s the chaperones, IMO, who bear the brunt MUCH more than these kids.

    101. John from NH on June 8th, 2005 6:50 pm

      I have only been to the Island once. We stayed at Playa Linda. If I went again I think the Hyatt.

    102. Kortnie on June 8th, 2005 6:51 pm

      Hey, too bad you got admonished by Red this morning, BUT LEAVE ME THE HECK ALONE YOU HARASSING CREEP.

    103. Mona on June 8th, 2005 6:53 pm

      Apparently I wasn’t the only one, who didn’t have anything better to do today then visit this website……
      at least some of us speake sense, but others just visit to bitch at eachother, if you have personal issues, keep them to yourselves…. here we talk about the case of NAtalee

    104. Gabriel Leo on June 8th, 2005 6:54 pm

      Hey mona..thnx…;)

    105. Amy on June 8th, 2005 6:55 pm

      To Gabriel Leo,
      From one Arubian to another.
      Leave it alone, be the bigger person in every situation y keep Natalee Holloway as the main focus.
      btw are you Ag?

    106. Jacob on June 8th, 2005 6:56 pm

      Very important to remember that this is not the first assault against a female at that very Carlos and Charles location. Aruba hides the flaws from the public, after all, that is their economy. They protect that at all costs, I would not go by any crime state released out of Aruba, they are all doctored up to make the island cleaner looking than it is, thus helping with their tourism industry.

      The police are stalling for time to give the elite boy and his family a cover story to get them off the hook. With his father being a judge, anything is possible, huge cover-up in the works here, suddenly I am reminded of the Texas Book Depository…

    107. Another Father on June 8th, 2005 6:58 pm

      Briefly, if I may. As you may recall, I said I got involved in this thread because it hit home and that this posting could well be about one of my daughters, hence my empathy with the Holloways. Now, mindful that what follows is opinions and rumors, bear with me.

      A few years ago, while vacationing with my family, I became concerned that my middle daughter (who, for 3 years, was a professional model and therefore prone to attract unwanted and unhealthy attention) was being set up for an abduction while frequenting a “Carlo’s and Charlie’s” establishment (albeit not in Aruba). Certainly, as with Ms. Holloway, she was acting irresponsibly, but that is not consent to be victimized, it’s just youthful stupidity. Fortunately, she also had a Father who, when he noted what was going on, went to the trouble to make his presence known and to keep as close an eye on her as a rambunctious teen will allow. End result is that she got home safe and didn’t get to do anymore off shore trips for two years. I also had the most miserable vacation of my life.

      Everything about her experience reminds me of Ms. Holloway’s situation – right down to the “young man with influential connections” and the calculated insinuation into her confidence. Then I read about Amy Bradley’s case and her reportedly being seen, following her disappearance, being held against her will in a brothel, and I got another shudder of recognition.

      Please note, I am not pointing fingers at Grupo Anderson or “Carlo’s and Charlie’s”. It may simply, if anything, be that they provide a convenient venue for slavers to work. After all, lions and leopards hang around watering holes waiting for their prey, too. The difference is that zebras and gazelles are aware of this and teenagers on a spree are not.

      My point is that there is something incredibly suspicious about the 3 men (including two with reportedly influential connections) who were last known to have been with Ms. Holloway being cleared, almost immediately, of suspicion, while 2 security guards, who really had no known association with her, are being held on suspicion of “capital kidnapping”, “conspiracy to commit murder” and “murder”, even while the authorities claim they have no evidence that Ms Holloway is dead. It’s even more suspicious that the 3 have reportedly been allowed to leave the island. It becomes yet more suspicious when you realize that they claim to have dropped Ms. Holloway off at her hotel between1:30 and 2:00 AM, yet, according to Ms. Holloway’s Uncle, the security cameras do not confirm that. It becomes even more suspicious when you realize that, initially, the authorities confirmed the Uncle’s position, but, tho’ he continues to adhere to that, the authorities are now saying (as of this morning and according to the news, whatever its reliability, which may be zero) that the reason they let these 3 go is because the security cameras did show her being dropped off at the hotel and heading over to the beach…

      My initial thought was that Ms. Holloway was likely a “target of opportunity” victim of a freelance psycho, who abducted, raped and murdered her. That is the simplest and therefore most likely possibility and simply reflects the fact that there are bad people everywhere. It’s also the case that human trafficking does exist, particularly in conjunction with the narco traffic in the Caribbean. It may also be the case that I am every bit as conspiratorially paranoid as my daughter, a few years back, accused me of being. Then again, there really are some disturbing incongruities in what we are hearing. Regrettably, the reliability of what we are hearing is open to serious question.

    108. Gabriel Leo on June 8th, 2005 6:58 pm

      Juffrouw Kappel t’ami mes.
      Natalee ta e main focus. She is. But Kotnie has been real angry lately, I’m tryin to offer her some anger management.

    109. Kortnie on June 8th, 2005 7:00 pm

      Leo you little sexist worm,

      I’ve notified the monitors about you. Keep it up. You’ll be gone very soon.

    110. Kortnie on June 8th, 2005 7:06 pm

      Another Father, your “jungle” metaphor was perfect. That’s it, exactly. In the human world, men are the lions and women/girls the vulnerable antelopes.

      Perfect. Unfortunately…

    111. Amy on June 8th, 2005 7:07 pm

      Awel si,
      But don’t aggrivate please
      E no ta normal mas, just stop, ok?
      I find it the best site ever, covering the story of ‘Natalee Holloway’
      And in my opinion this comment board doesn’t have space for anything else than Natalee Holloway.

    112. Donna on June 8th, 2005 7:08 pm

      lol, im back, im not even gonna scroll

    113. Jacob on June 8th, 2005 7:09 pm

      More allegations being made against Carlos and Charlies, this is exactly what I have been saying all day long, as more people hear about Natalee, more people will remember unfortunate incidents they had there, such as the two women in Boston who just came forward yesterday describing how they were assaulted within minutes of leaving that Calos and Charlies in Aruba by a hotel employee.

      - Amy Bradley, seen the nigh before her disappearnce eating at a Carlos and Charlies

      - 2 women from Boston

      - ” Another father ” here with another bad Carlos and Charlies experience

      - Natalee was last seen at the Carlos and Charlies

      - another man, ” Tony ” described how his drinks were being poured too strong at a sister restaurant of Carlos and Charlies, after only 2 drinks he was stumbling while walking…

      these allegations are certainly piling up against Carlos and Charlies, it is time to shut down that restaurant, arrest the management, charge them with aiding and abetting rapists and killers, and seize their assets, turn their shady restaurant into a rape counseling clinic, and if the Arubans don’t like that – then BAN all travel to ARUBA starting tomorrow, and any airline that continues to service Aruba should be banned from entering Americans airspace, and shoot the plane down if they violate that.

    114. Donna on June 8th, 2005 7:12 pm

      is this another instant replay, jacob?

    115. Gabriel Leo on June 8th, 2005 7:13 pm

      Kortnie…..Why do you keep asking the monitors to remove me and certain people, when the atacks are not in your favor? You have the right to say what you want because you and only you should be right? I and others you want gone from this collumn because you say we are all sexist, rude, jerks, rapist? Come on! When you stop I will. Show some class and I will stop beeing as childish as you are.

      Red. My compliments to you. Earlier you tried to speak papiamento. ;)

    116. Donna on June 8th, 2005 7:14 pm

      how do ya’ll do the smileys on here?

    117. Tom on June 8th, 2005 7:15 pm

      Kortnie Relax
      Gabe Stop teasing

      There it is done

      Oh, and no Papi spoken here or I will have to sick Red on you,,,

    118. Kortnie on June 8th, 2005 7:17 pm

      Certainly there are places in the world that are “fronts” to “launder” more lucrative commerce…

    119. Red on June 8th, 2005 7:19 pm


      Was not intended to be. It was intended to be as the rest of the site is an news informational with people contributing news, info, etc.

      Folk, this is a serious topic and ENOUGH of the personal attacks. EVERYONE.

      Has no one on this page ever not lost anyone or friends of friends or had someone not show up even if it was for an hour and you worry your ass off? Imagine what this must be like.

      Post your comments, ask questions, pose theories if you wish, BUT STOP THE NONSENSE of personal attacks. You should hear (read) what this sounds like. Take the issue at hand seriously. For the love of God there is a missing girl on an island of 72,000 people that is the size of a city and she has vanished without a trace.

      People in Aruba are taking time out of their lives to help find her. That is to be commended. This constant childish bickering is not. Please keep to the topic and off each other. PLEASE.


    120. Jacob on June 8th, 2005 7:21 pm

      Seems that with every passing hour, new serious allegations are made against this crime joint by the name of Carlos And Charlies, the time has come and passed to definitely slap a padlock on the doors, and board up the windows and pull the plug on that place, seize their assets, arrest their management and charge them with aiding and abetting numerous counts of rape and 1 count of murder. I am through playing games with Carlos and Charlies, time to get tough with them and put them behind bars where they belong.

    121. Amy on June 8th, 2005 7:22 pm

      Wow that’s nice to hear from a person who’s never been to Aruba or have heard of it untill now.
      Shoot the plane down??
      I can’t believe you said that after what happened to New York three years ago?
      Maybe you should have gone to Iraq, see people’s terror, live people’s nightmares, you’ll learn life lessons.
      That we should close Carlos and Charlies. Maybe yes?
      But will it solve anything, wouldn’t they just try to make another nightclub into a ‘hot spot’ like Carlos and Charlies. We have to go to the core of the problem, unfortunately it’s Natalee’s incident we’ll have to learn from.
      But the rest of the Arubians are not the one to blame for this, we are truly hearted people.

    122. Red on June 8th, 2005 7:23 pm


      I would like to thank you for adding your personal knowledge to our site. You are like our eyes and ears in Aruba. I know I am breaking my Papiamentu rule but for all you have done … gran trabow à ­ danki.

    123. JUNIT-IA on June 8th, 2005 7:24 pm

      Jacob Says:

      June 8th, 2005 at 7:21 pm
      Seems that with every passing hour, new serious allegations are made against this crime joint by the name of Carlos And Charlies, the time has come and passed to definitely slap a padlock on the doors, and board up the windows and pull the plug on that place, seize their assets, arrest their management and charge them with aiding and abetting numerous counts of rape and 1 count of murder. I am through playing games with Carlos and Charlies, time to get tough with them and put them behind bars where they belong.


    124. Jacob on June 8th, 2005 7:26 pm

      JUNIT-IA, how many more young women must be raped at or around this one location before action is taken to shut it down ????

      I want a padlock on those front doors right away, no other parents should have to lose a child because of the rough crowd that CnC Restaurant management is letting through the doors.

    125. Red on June 8th, 2005 7:26 pm

      Is there anyone from Alabama on right now or even better close to the town where Natalee lived?

    126. L. Peterson on June 8th, 2005 7:28 pm

      She’s fish food.

    127. JUNIT-IA on June 8th, 2005 7:28 pm

      A few girls have been raped on my campus in college. It is terriblely sad. I go to the U of Iowa Should we shut down the college??? You nor do i or any of us have enough evidence that this is the only place these girls drank or met these men or anything! Its all assumptions and you know what people say about that

    128. Gabriel Leo on June 8th, 2005 7:29 pm

      Red and Tom have spoken……I’ll stand down ;)

    129. Jacob on June 8th, 2005 7:30 pm

      Junit-ia, if girls continually are raped in one section of the campus, and all by suspects who happen to work in one line of work, then perhaps it is time that U of Iowa shut down that particular segment of campus.

    130. Kortnie on June 8th, 2005 7:31 pm

      Junit-ia, there is a BIG difference between a huge University in the U.S. and a small bar in a bad neighborhood in the third world just off the coasts of Venezuela and Colombia, 2 countries known to engage in human trafficking.

      Sorry if that’s not “PC,” but it’s the truth.

    131. JUNIT-IA on June 8th, 2005 7:33 pm

      No girls were raped in CNC! am i wrong?

    132. Tom on June 8th, 2005 7:35 pm

      We love you both Gabe and Kortnie

    133. Kortnie on June 8th, 2005 7:37 pm



      you better get some therapy, fast.

    134. Jacob on June 8th, 2005 7:40 pm

      I’d like to take a minute out now to pray for her safe return.

      To the Holloways Family, I am sorry about your daughter. Don’t lose hope. All our prayers will be heard by the Almighty. Here is my simple prayer for your daughter,Natalee. O good Lord, we pray to you for the safe return of your child Natalee. Bless her, wherever she may be right now,and grant her parents more strength to withstand their sufferings and pain. We know,O Lord how much you love us, and whatever may be happening, good or bad, you are always with us. We all pray for her safe return, dear Lord.Amen.

    135. Gabriel Leo on June 8th, 2005 7:41 pm

      Third world? Are we comparing Aruba with third world countries such as African countries?? For your info we are not a poor island. We have the second highest income per capita in the Caribbean. Number one is Pt. Rico.

      Venezuela and Colombia are in the vicinity of Aruba, but they are not Aruba. They have their problems which have nothing to do with us.

    136. Gabriel Leo on June 8th, 2005 7:42 pm

      Amen :)

    137. TJ on June 8th, 2005 7:43 pm


      Amen Brother

    138. TJ on June 8th, 2005 7:44 pm
    139. TJ on June 8th, 2005 7:45 pm

      TJ says I give.

    140. Tom on June 8th, 2005 7:46 pm

      just do a colon and the right parenthesis to get the smily face :)

    141. Another Father on June 8th, 2005 7:48 pm

      Jacob, it is also possible that “C and C” is the victim of false memories induced by being repeatedly mentioned and bashed here and in the media. I’m confident of my remembrance because it was made in my very first post, long ere anyone else mentioned the bar in question. It’s also the case that Grupo Anderson and “Carlo’s and Charlie’s” are to Mexican and Caribbean tourism what McDonald’s is to American fast food. They’re everywhere and therefore it’s entirely possible that the recurrence of their name is merely the consequence of opportunity. If 50% of all the bars are a “Carlo’s and Charlie’s”, then it’s hardly an indictment of them if 50% of the bad incidents involve them. And, of course, they could also be a front for “White Slavery”, who knows… The point being that ANY place that encourages excessive drinking and semi-lewd to lewd behavior on the part of teens and esp. female teens is going to draw a crowd and part of that crowd is going to be unsavory. That, according to the young woman from Aruba, who commented on the matter, seems to be the case with the “C&C” in Aruba – it’s gotten a reputation and now that reputation is building on itself. Unfortunately, because Aruba was perceived to be safe, ALL of Aruba was perceived to be safe, including those parts which, manifestly, no longer were.

      My experience with my daughter was of a young man, obviously well-connected, who seemed to have an ulterior motive and interest in my kid beyond just the usual male fantasy stuff (if the “usual male fantasy” stuff bothered me I’d have lost all my hair by now… oh, crap, I AM bald!). I suspect that the “Carlo’s and Charlie’s” out of which he was operating was just a convenience for him and, if something similar were happening on Aruba, it was a convenience too. I think all the bars and clubs need to assume some responsibility for their patrons and that obligation is on “C&C” only because they have the most and some of the larger (and wilder) establishments.

    142. JUNIT-IA on June 8th, 2005 7:52 pm

      ANOTHER FATHER said it like a champ! Thank you.

    143. Mona on June 8th, 2005 7:53 pm

      Amen :)

    144. donna on June 8th, 2005 7:59 pm

      is jacob still here :)

    145. Jacob on June 8th, 2005 7:59 pm

      Donna, I sure am, do you have any new news for me ?

    146. Jairo on June 8th, 2005 8:10 pm

      I must say this: Comments by Bill O’Reilly on his show tonight are not welcomed by me!

    147. donna on June 8th, 2005 8:11 pm

      what remarks, jairo?

    148. Tom on June 8th, 2005 8:11 pm


      What did ORielly say>

    149. donna on June 8th, 2005 8:11 pm

      what remarks, jairo?

    150. Jairo on June 8th, 2005 8:12 pm

      They are not worth discussing, I’m enraged by them, sorry!

    151. donna on June 8th, 2005 8:15 pm

      i forget the media crap, i listen to what makes sense

    152. Jacob on June 8th, 2005 8:26 pm

      It’s a disgrace that Carlos And Charlies is still open, it is hard to prevent rapes and murders happening if CnC is allowed to remain open.

      Like I’ve said before, the State Department needs to ban all travel to Aruba until that CnC Crime Joint Restaurant is SHUT DOWN, the management thrown behind bars and hit with charges of being an accessory to rape and murder, and their assets seized.

    153. Tom on June 8th, 2005 8:28 pm

      Okay , we have ended the Gabe and Kortnie battle.

      Now, Jacob, please come up with some new material. please. We got your point the first 10 times, and the redundency is making my toes curl. And I promise that is not a good thing.

    154. Jacob on June 8th, 2005 9:01 pm

      Okay, I’ve got all the evidence I need now. I found this picture of the interior of Carlos And Charlie’s, with teen girls in tiny miniskirts on the stage drinking, here is the picture :

      That is all the evidence I need to have the crime joint and teen-porn pad shut down for good, there is no reason that dump should still be open.

    155. Mrs. Red on June 8th, 2005 9:07 pm

      what concerns me really, is there is no evidence of Natalee except the 3 boys that saw her last… I just can’t believe they know nothing.

    156. Mrs. Red on June 8th, 2005 9:08 pm

      what concerns me really, is there is no evidence of Natalee except the 3 boys that saw her last… I just can’t believe they know nothing.

    157. Carlito on June 8th, 2005 9:21 pm

      Hey Jacob Come to Curacao and ill **************..
      You are filled with real sh*t man… all the crap you have never left that little village you are from… you are naive.. and it should have happened to you.

      you dumb stuck up kid…

      Get a life…

    158. Jacob on June 8th, 2005 9:26 pm

      Sure thing Carlito, I bet you are used to giving that kind of activity to other men.

      How come you are so upset Carlito, what is wrong, does the Truth hurt ???

      Now run off little islander and go prey on some more young girls, seems to be quite the pasttime down there.

    159. Mrs. Red on June 8th, 2005 9:30 pm

      Another father – what you say is so true. I think that for 98% of the people here we are all on edge because it could be you, (if u are a woman), your mom, sister, aunt…YOUR daughter.

      I think several people here have had some very bad experiences themselves (not in Aruba necessarily) so this all just hits home.

      I pray there is good news soon… but it just seems like there is some fishy elements to the 3 boys and the stories of the other 2… somebody, somewhere HAS to know something… there does not seem to be a trace of this poor girl.

    160. brenda on June 8th, 2005 9:31 pm

      Please provide the latest information on the search for Natalee and not this bashing to one another.

    161. Jane Doe on June 8th, 2005 9:53 pm

      I truly think that the three young men that Natalee were in the car with, who stated they had relations with her, should have been held and questioned further. They are the last confirmed people to see Natalee alive. I’m sure they know a lot more than they are telling. From all I’ve read and heard, I suspect them much more than the two security guards now being held. Somethings fishy in Aruba…….

      My thoughts and prayers go to Natalee and her family, friends and all the good people of Aruba.

    162. Another Father on June 8th, 2005 9:54 pm

      Jeez, folks, can we have a civilized discussion here? Don’t you think that references to “rape”, facetious or otherwise, might be a tad inappropriate, given the topic?

      There’s certainly plenty of grist for fruitful conjecture and non-emotional discussion, especially as it concerns the 3 young men with whom Ms. Holloway was last seen. As near as I can tell, the ONLY evidence connecting the security guards to Ms. Holloway is their identification by the 3 young men who, otherwise, would be the prime suspects. According to these 3, after they had dropped Ms. Holloway off at her hotel (apparently while she was still clad in her “invisibility cloak”…), they saw the security guards talking to her.

      Now, mind you, in the case of one of the guards, both his mother and his wife/girlfriend (she’s been variously described) say he was home at the time. Okay, sure, mom and the gf might lie about that, however, the bus driver who drove him home (prior to the time the 3 supposedly saw him importuning Ms. Holloway) also confirms that alibi. BUT, while he’s in jail for at least another 8 days, these 3 are not even restricted to the country. In the Prosecutor’s Office, we used to call this a “some dude” defense – you catch a guy red-handed, carrying a stolen TV, and he claims that he was given it by “some dude”. Generally speaking, “some dude” defenses didn’t get a lot of mileage. However, these 3 guys seem to be getting away with that. “Oh, no, we weren’t the last people with her, it was SOME DUDE…” And, one suspects because of the reported influence of at least one of them, that’s enough for the Aruban authorities… This just smells funny and I don’t mean “funny – ha, ha”.

      The ONLY explanation I have heard, out of the Aruban authorities, for their decision that the 3 are “witnesses” and the 2 are “suspects” is that the 3 told consistent stories, while the 2, when split up, told inconsistent ones. Forgive my cynicism, but that could simply mean that the 3, being guilty and knowing that they’d be questioned, troubled to coordinate their stories beforehand, while the 2, having no idea that they were going to be suspects in anything, didn’t. Now, maybe the police have some forensic evidence that links the 2 to Ms. Holloway and this is all rendered moot by that fact, but, given what we know (or think we know), none of this makes sense.

    163. Tom on June 8th, 2005 9:58 pm

      If you can watch Fox tonight, Greta van Sundstrum is in Aruba and will retrace the steps of Natalee. It will be on in a couple of minutes at 10 PM EDT

    164. Jacob on June 8th, 2005 10:40 pm

      Well, the evidence is surely building tonight, I have now found even more disturbing pictures of young girls under the age of 20 dancing on tables at Carlos And Charlies, lifting their skirts and definitely acting inappropriately in public, such as the following picture :

      I’m all over this Carlso and Charlie’s crime joint, I am not going to give up the focus of the case on the last place Natalee was seen, we must shine the light at the dirty CnC Restaurant, there is the dirt must be esposed and the shadows must be exposed.

    165. donna on June 8th, 2005 11:18 pm

      oh good god, i leave for a few hours, come back, and jacob is still here, jacob? go to Arub, and solve this mystery!

    166. Jacob on June 8th, 2005 11:20 pm

      Donna, under one circumstance only, you join me.

    167. donna on June 8th, 2005 11:21 pm

      hell no, i’ll go to aruba, but not with you

    168. donna on June 8th, 2005 11:33 pm

      any new developments? I have been afk for a few.

    169. Jacob on June 8th, 2005 11:36 pm

      Big developments tonight on GRETA (FNC).

      On Greta, Reporter just said that three boys who allegedly dropped her off said a black man dressed in black was seen approaching her and walking beside her when they left. However, the video does not show this and the security guard on duty that night did not see her walking outside.

      I still want more attention focuses on the CnC crime joint restaurant though.

    170. donna on June 8th, 2005 11:41 pm

      oh, thank you for that info jacob, you are a true reporter !

    171. Kirsten on June 8th, 2005 11:43 pm

      Aruba has never had anything like this happen before.. To Jacob: You want to boycott Aruba and “warn” people to stay away? What about the people that rely on tourism to feed their families? I think parents should teach their children how to avoid these situations and stop raising children that are sheltered and naive… Get a freakin life… This wasn’t a seven year old… By the way, rumour has it that her father is a good friend of the President Bush and that’s why the US interest in this case was immediate and overwhelming.. Figures.. It’s always about who you know…

    172. Jacob on June 8th, 2005 11:44 pm

      Do not worry Donna, I’m all over this case, covering all angles, and I will not rest until the 3 boys (including the Judge’s son) are behind bars, as well as CnC restaurant management, and the two currently in custody must remain in custody.

      The cherry on top would to see padlocks slapped on the doors of Carlos And Charlie’s crime joint and to see that property seized by the government.

    173. Jacob on June 8th, 2005 11:47 pm

      LOL Kirsten, Bwahahahahah, lol, oh, thanks for the laugh

      Aruba has never had anything like this happen before ???

      You’re saying that this is the FIRST rape/murder in history of the island ???

      And let’s buy your pipedream that her father knows the President, what would be wrong with that ? better not to have immediate action ??? perhaps a delayed investigation of a few months would make you happier ???

    174. donna on June 8th, 2005 11:50 pm

      Jacob, give us sites of where you are gathering your information from, facts now, not specs!

    175. Jacob on June 8th, 2005 11:52 pm

      Donna, it was on FNC at 10pm eastern – Greta’s show. Greta retraced Natalee’s steps that night.

    176. donna on June 8th, 2005 11:59 pm

      is greta the FBI or the Arubian Police, is she there, is she following this in person, or just yappin her jawls?

    177. Jacob on June 9th, 2005 12:05 am

      of course she is there, I said she just retraced Natalee’s steps that night, she also had on “Emily” last night, the blonde woman who had a weird encounter with one of the suspects arrested a few weeks back when she was on vacation

    178. Red on June 9th, 2005 12:10 am


      I did not get a chance to see the entire Greta show, but will watch the repeat of it. She is in Aruba and is retracing the reported footsteps of what has been reported so far of Natalee Holloway.

      From what I understand so far one issue in play is the 3 boys reporting that they dropped Natalee off at the hotel and some one escorted her inside. Yet, with surveillance cameras at different locations that would have videoed these events, Natalee shows up on none of them.

      Unless the Aruban police have forensic evidence that places then and Natalee together as the 2 suspects have said they have never met Natalee; I am at a loss how the last 3 people who were ever seen with Natalee went from “person’s of interest” to witnesses.

      Will watch later all of it to see whether it has any merit.

    179. donna on June 9th, 2005 12:10 am

      Jacob, i am from alabama, where are you from?

    180. Jacob on June 9th, 2005 12:12 am

      Joran! Van Der Sloot’s other profile on Microsoft’s page, his dad is the JUDGE in aruba, there are some big problems for this kid ahead, with any luck – he will be behind bars in the coming days.*naQjOKK!*DVyALfe8Ib0t9s1yYCkjrShrDUzDDM7HBilK*qj

    181. donna on June 9th, 2005 12:13 am

      Red, thank you! I have been afk, and I am so confused on the 3 “persons of interst” and the 2 suspects, myself! Guess that is why we have FBI there, to do this work for us!

    182. JERI BREAZEALE on June 9th, 2005 12:25 am

      It would be unusual for two men to rape and kidnap the girl. It takes a psychotic mind to do this, and it is unlikely both men would want to risk the consequences of the crimes, it would be a crime only one person would carry out, and probably something he wouldn’t talk to another person about anyway, much less as a partner. But if she was accidentally killed, like bumping her head trying to get away from three horny boys, or accidentally suffocated or whatever, that makes more sense. I think the 3 kids have something to tell. It was probably an accident and the judge father is helping to cover it up.. God help the 2 people they are trying to frame for this.

    183. donna on June 9th, 2005 12:26 am

      is this site closed?

    184. Red on June 9th, 2005 12:31 am

      donna – I’m still here … The Monkey never closes …

    185. Jacob on June 9th, 2005 12:31 am

      Jeri, you bring up good points, about the accidental side of it.

      Could she have died from drugs they slipped into her drink back at the infamous Carlos and Charlies restaurant ?

      Did the 3 boys serve her alcohol from their car which she got into, with the hopes of getting her more drunk, and did she die of immediate alcohol poisoning, which happens to college kids quite frequently ?

      Could she have fallen and hit her head, accidentally hit by the boy’s car…

      Many many accidental possibilities do exist….

    186. JERI on June 9th, 2005 12:44 am

      this is totally hypothetical of course
      here’s the dilemma for the aruban government ,
      let the boys claim the blame and aruba will suffer the wrath of the judge, however much that could be i don’t know. but if no one is charged with the crime, then tourism is zero because people are afraid of a psycho killer on the loose, or burn in hell for
      knowingly covering it up and ruin the lives of two innocent men. i mean, this is the 21st century and i do hope that we all know by now it isn’t always the black man killing the white woman. how ironic this girl is from alabama.

    187. Jacob on June 9th, 2005 12:52 am

      True Jeri, ironic she is from Alabama, although I like Alabama, some of our best friends here are from Alabama, such as Donna.

      I still pray for her safe return, until a body is found, I shall stay positive and hope for the best, and I also hope that theCnC Restaurant is shut down.

    188. Chris M on June 9th, 2005 12:57 am

      I was so upset after reading just a few of these stories, I immediatly phoned my brother
      and sister-inlaw
      to let know of the events concerning Natalee. As guessed – they were well aware of this situation. As parents
      they fully relies the pain and sheer terror the family and friends of Natalee must now be living. I wouldn’t even
      know what to say to these beautiful, courageous people. I do pray to god she is return as soon as possible.

      As to the series of events lending up to Natalee’s abduction… I don’t give a rates ass what took place…..
      you never, never hurt or harm anyone – anywhere at anytime… as it could be you next time….and doing so
      surely reduces the possibility of this happening all together…… sorry if I sound alittle naive….. but I still
      believe what my parents taught me…. with that said……..

      Are we all to believe, the two man now in custody – are the man who commented these crimes…. I’m sure
      the only evidence against these men is, the three guys and the father… (a Dutch National Justice Minister
      (whatever the hell that is-sounds big..) whom left the nightclub with Natalee and were the last to see Natalee,
      would have us believe….. Are we also suppose to believe these men all “admitting” had consensual
      sex with Natalee before taking her back to her hotel ????? Are these Dutch Nationals-Aruba authorities
      that inexperienced that they would even consider this…… to be true… or is it, they think we would consider
      believing this…… I can’t even imagine the Police, let alone the FBI in this country listen-ing to this story….
      You would be immediatly in handcuffs, arrested for disappearance, of a defenseless young woman…. Your
      bail would now be several million dollars… if you had or could afford a very expensive lawyer to get you
      released on bail at all…..

      I feel Natalee is alive and will be returned….. I don’t feel justice will every be served though… just like in the
      already case’s… of woman NOT REPORTING attack’s in that country…..


    189. Red on June 9th, 2005 1:04 am


      You had me until the Alabama comment. Yes it is the 21st century and there is more racial diversity in AL than there are in Northern New England states.

      Its hypothetically worse than you have stated. As the USA has learned in their many PR nightmares, the cover up is always worse than the crime. If there is one whiff of a cover up that would not be a good thing. Also, a rather interesting premise was brought up on one of the pundit shows tonight. There is pressure from the Aruban Govt to get this thing done to stop the bleeding of their economy. Also from the drug cartels that traffic thru Aruba in that they want the spot light off as fast as possible.

      Oh I would not want to be those two guys in custody. I just hope that the authorities when the time comes are very transparent with what they have for evidence. From a US stand point it is amazing to not know what the evidence is against someone or that they can be held for 116 days without being charged. The ACLU would go broke in Aruba.

    190. Another Father on June 9th, 2005 1:30 am

      I’m turning in for the night, but to Jeri and Red, I think I share your feelings. Two poor guys, one with a pretty airtight alibi (supported by 3 people, one with no apparent reason to lie for him), are being held on who knows what evidence beyond the say-so of three people who are otherwise the most likely culprits and whose story does not check out against the only possible hard evidence to be had (the security camera record). I truly hope that Dutch/Aruban justice is being served, because this just seems all too fishy to me, especially when you add in the apparent political clout of one of the three men who is pointing the finger.

      The only thing I am bothered by is the constant reference to these 3 men supposedly claiming to have had consensual sex with Ms. Holloway, during their 30 minute to 1 hour sojourn. I have not been able to confirm that piece of information. Where did we get the info that any or all of them claimed to have had sexual relations with Ms. Holloway or is that simply a rumor? If, in fact, that assertion was made by them, then I’d think their likely guilt is even more established – why would you claim that unless you were afraid a body, with forensic evidence still present- might be found, so you’re covering your tracks when the DNA comes back as yours? Unfortunately, I think I discount that piece of info as rumor.

      I’m not willing to condemn the Aruban criminal justice system or their police system just yet and it is clear that we are working off of bits and pieces of info, much of which may be inaccurate. It’s also quite possible that the Aruban police, in fact, have recovered evidence which clearly implicates these two security guards and simply cannot release that info under Aruban law and procedure. All I know is that, from an American perspective, this is, at the least, kind of confusing, not to say inexplicable.

      My heart continues to go out to the family. I cannot imagine going to bed wondering if one of my daughters is dead or alive and not knowing where she is or even what happened to her.

    191. Pam on June 9th, 2005 1:37 am

      I am from Alabama, and while we tend to be trusting and naive at times, this whole situation screams negligence, not naivete. Why were there only 7 chaperones for a group of 125 teens? Didn’t any of the chaperones perform bed checks, or set curfews? Where were the chaperones while the kids were at this seedy bar? If 20-40 of Natalee’s classmates saw her leave with 3 men, and that was out of character for her, why didn’t someone try to stop her, or tell a chaperone? Of course, this never should have happened to her, no matter what the circumstances. However, I believe that the negligence and lack of discretion of her supposed friends, and the adults in charge, is truly appalling. I am praying for Natalee, and her family, and I hope that other travellers can learn from this debacle.

    192. mark on June 9th, 2005 1:45 am

      I am very impressed with the intelligence on this site. I,too, am confident the three boys are the guilty ones and the two now in custody are scape goats. Remember, the FBI is just assisting. The arrests are made by Arubian authorities. You have a judge’s son for whom the Arubians are covering up for and you have two poor sons of black immigrants that are taking the fall for them just to satisfy the family and dowse the outcry of concerned individuals.

      Those three guys admitted to carrying there for a “foursome” which has to be a lie, they say they dropped her off which according to surveillance cameras is another lie. It is very obvious to me, and it seems to you. The authorities are either retards or more likely very corrupt.

      Lets all pray for the situation. God is greater than all that are involved.

    193. Jacob on June 9th, 2005 1:45 am

      True Pam, although it is hard to chaperone an 18 year old that is not related to you, you cannot force an 18 year old to do anything, even her parents cannot force her to do anything at the age of 18.

      After seeing pictures of activites that go on inside Carlos ANd Charlies Restaurant, any chaperone that would bring children there is making terrible and irresponsible decisions.

      Here is an interior picture of that restaurant :

      I would love to know what rules, if any, were established before the kids left Alabama, letting kids into bars is probably not something that most parents would have gone for, most parents were probably unfamiliar with Aruba and common practices in Aruba for people under the age of 20.

    194. friend of mickey john on June 9th, 2005 1:45 am

      I spent alot of time with one of the 2 gaurds curently being held in Natalees disappearance. I was alone in aruba for 2 weeks and mickey john was nothing but nice. Because I had met him on a previous trip we kept in touch and he took the day off to pick me up at the airport. I had $$$ and jewelry and if he wanted to he could have taken advantage and never brought me to my hotel. I would have never checked in, and it would have been days before my family thought it strange. I know that the gaurd who has been photographed would not intentionally become involved knowing Natalie was hurt or in danger.

    195. Lynn on June 9th, 2005 1:56 am

      Good evening from south Alabama.
      Bravo. I am also impressed to find sensible opinions, Mark.

    196. Jim on June 9th, 2005 2:54 am

      If those 3 kids had consensual sex with Natalee, why they just droped her near the hotel and didn’t accompany her to her room at 1.00 AM 9or at least one of them)? Also after being so close with her why they whatched how someone approached her while leaving from there ? Well, security approched.. but it doen’t matter.

      I agree those 3 kids certainly hiding something.

    197. Jim on June 9th, 2005 3:10 am

      About those 2. It could be old police trick: Authorities may sense those 2 may not be real killers (although it is possible), but if they let them go real killer will be on highest allert as the search may be intensified. Now once these 2 are arested the real killer may show up somehow. Of couse inocent shouldn’t be kept without reason, but probably reasonable suspicion exists, so they still keep them. One possibility I think these is that 3 kid may be watched very closely while being “free”. Another reason authorities may not release too much infor is because real killer also listen to news and may adjust his/her actions if feel unsafe. I belive FBI is smart enough…

      Let’s home Natalee is back safe.

    198. Pam on June 9th, 2005 3:34 am

      Well, if I were a chaperone, I would know the whereabouts of the kids for whom I was responsible, as much as humanly possible. I am sensing that was not the case with this group of people. A simple room check at 2:00 could have alerted someone that Natalee was missing, while there was actually a chance of finding her.
      When are parents in this country going to learn? The “we are sheltered” act only goes so far. That trip is a tradition in Mountain Brook. People knew what they were allowing their children to see and do on that island, and the kids knew to look out for each other. It was stated on this site that Natalee’s mother had a “bad vibe” about the trip beforehand. I can only imagine the nightmare she is facing now. How many more daughters (or sons) do we have to lose before parents do their jobs and take care of their children? There should have been more chaperones, and those chaperones should have been capable & competent. There should have been rules & curfews in place for such a large group. If parents are going to err, err on the side of loving and protecting your children too much. An ounce of prevention……

    199. Jim on June 9th, 2005 4:00 am

      I agree with you Pam,

      But you know what ? Unfortunately, it is human nature that most people learn on their own mistakes, not from mistakes of others … It was 1000 years ago and it is true now.

    200. ZACH on June 9th, 2005 5:08 am

      I dont know why im going to put this, but someone needs to look up the license plate number IPI-612. I had a dream about this car with this license plate number and the dream came when I saw the picture of the missing girl that night and that license plate number had stuck with me for a few days.

    201. marie from maine on June 9th, 2005 6:52 am

      zach- that is odd! does it happen often?

    202. marie from maine on June 9th, 2005 6:54 am

      guess people are probably gone now- I was just checking in to see if there was annything new… I wake up every morining hoping to read that they have found that poor girl :(

    203. Chris Lupu on June 9th, 2005 7:09 am

      My question is for the poster who said Natalee’s father was a close friend of the president.

      Has anyone verified this?

      If it is true it really does make you wonder how these 3 would have gotten away with it. Also makes you wonder how many other horrible things are done daily to people not quite so connected to the president.

      As a recent victim of political corruption right here on the homeland in Florida, I am 100 percent convinced that this Van Der Sloot punk and his buddies know a hell of a lot more than they are saying.

      Did they really believe that they were able to convince this poor girl to have “consensual” relations with all 3 of them? Give me a break…..

      My heart goes out to this girl and her family and I pray that she is OK. I feel a very unusual and strange connection to her tragedy. I have an urge to jump on a plane to Aruba and get to the bottom of all this. If anybody has plans to go, email me at

      People, I just want to let you know that political / governmental curruption will always be alive no matter where you go. One thing I have learned over the last few years in which I have dealt with corrupt officials is to treat every new person you meet as if they have the kind of connections that this Van Der Sloot F*** has in Aruba.

      Might seem paraniod to some, but the only way to be truly safe.

      -Chris Lupu

    204. Bill on June 9th, 2005 7:10 am

      It’s interesting how two people can see two different things watching the same program. Greta was not on Aruba herself (not wearing that heavy coat, she wasn’t!) Great was asking her guests, some of whom were there on Aruba, some of whom were just “experts” who seemed to know less than we do.

      The “retracing Natalees steps” segment was done by a reporter who walked about a block or so, from the Holiday Inn to the Alegro. He stated that the Holiday Inn security camera out front (the one that would have seen the car) was not working; only the lobby camera was working, and it did not have any images of Natalee. Further down the street, he showed a few other cameras that might have shown Natalee, but had no idea if Natalee was or wasn’t picked up on any of these.

      Very little discussion of the three young men came up during the program (in my opinion), which is disappointing. I wish the mainstream media would get spun up on this story better and start doing a bit more digging.

    205. Pays Bas on June 9th, 2005 7:11 am

      I’am sorry mark, but your remarks about the poor guy taking the fall for the rich student(s) is absolutely not correct. Aruba is not the US, dutch procecutors will do their utmost to get the people responsable for this, rich or poor doesn’t matter. Because dutchies really, and I mean really, do not care about someones background in these cases. And believe me, rich daddy will be watched closely by investigators. And another thing: ministers/officials/judges in the Netherlands do not wield a lot of power. And if someone from this group is showing signs of regentism they will be dealt with swiftly and not only in the public opinion. That’s an other thing about the Dutch attitude you should know about: the tolerance towards people wielding power is very, very low. It’s a history thing.
      Like the Arubans here said, Aruba is NOT a third world country and its justice system is quite up to the task at hand.

      Bedankt voor uw aandacht.

    206. Red on June 9th, 2005 7:22 am

      Breaking News …,

      3 more arrested in Aruba. The last three people reported to have seen Natalee have been arrested in her disappearance.

    207. marie from maine on June 9th, 2005 7:29 am

      wow no kidding – 3 more? have to go read that…
      I think the evidencs against the 2 in custody was planted but the punk and his judge father, happens all the time and these brats never ever learn… sorry verry passionate about this…

    208. Pays Bas on June 9th, 2005 7:32 am

      Marie, plz read my post at 7:11 am.

    209. marie from maine on June 9th, 2005 7:32 am

      atuba is an amazing place and I love its people, I have been going once a year for 25 years i just got married on the beach there… but NOBODY is above the law… i have seen the crime grow throughtthe years, i am sorry to say aruba just doesnt see it.
      I ahve good friends that live there that agree with me i am NOT bashing, just saying that ignarance is bliss isnt going to work anymore…

    210. marie from maine on June 9th, 2005 7:33 am

      I did pays, we can all have our opinions though cant we?

    211. TJ on June 9th, 2005 7:34 am

      It’s about time they rounded up those 3.
      They were the last ones seen with her.

    212. Spank The Monkey on June 9th, 2005 7:36 am

      Time to SPANK those boys!

    213. marie from maine on June 9th, 2005 7:37 am

      I agree TJ- I love arubans im just so tired of hearing “not us… we are all to good here” it is the americans and the transplants” come on, there are bad people everywhere … I just never thought that they would end up in aruba….
      growth thre happened too fast, with growth comes greed, resentment and all of the other lovely crap… Im sorry if pays discagrees… but it is time that people start waking up and realizing that ANYTHING is possible!

    214. marie from maine on June 9th, 2005 7:39 am

      what is up with the new arrests i cant fins that info anyplace?

    215. Tom on June 9th, 2005 7:40 am

      We have a post up on it. Look at the main site, or go here

    216. Spank The Monkey on June 9th, 2005 7:45 am

      I love this phrase from the story “romantically involved”.


    217. marie from maine on June 9th, 2005 7:46 am

      thanks tom i appreciate that!

    218. TJ on June 9th, 2005 7:46 am

      Oh my.

    219. just another guy on June 9th, 2005 7:46 am

      analyzing your dream zach.
      CLCHL 612 CLCHL CHANARAL might be a port # with coutnry code

      Zach says:
      “I dont know why im going to put this, but someone needs to look up the license plate number IPI-612. I had a dream about this car with this license plate number and the dream came when I saw the picture of the missing girl that night and that license plate number had stuck with me for a few days.”

      just my 2 cents =)

    220. marie from maine on June 9th, 2005 7:50 am

      finally! that little punk will fold under pressure i GUARRANTEE it… they will turn on ewachother and we will get to the bottom of this soon – let us HOPE!
      Thanks for the inside on how your sysyem workdsPays… i am much more comfortable with your system now that you ahve thiose punks in custody…

    221. marie from maine on June 9th, 2005 7:56 am

      guess everyones gone- i should be getting ready for work anyway, i just cant get this off my mind- that poor family!

    222. timmie on June 9th, 2005 7:58 am

      Natalee , we all miss u big time :-(

    223. BJ on June 9th, 2005 8:00 am

      I’ve got a bad feeling about this.

    224. timmie on June 9th, 2005 8:01 am

      :-( :-(

    225. marie from maine on June 9th, 2005 8:01 am

      are they saying anything else or just that there was an arrest? i wonder if they have anything or if it was just pressure from the US to put the punk perverts in custody?

    226. timmie on June 9th, 2005 8:04 am

      Sun May 29

    227. Tom on June 9th, 2005 8:04 am

      I am sure a little of both Marie, now get to work so you will not get in trouble… :)

    228. Tom on June 9th, 2005 8:06 am

      In about 10 minutes I will be starting a new thread. It looks like this will be a busy day so I want to get a clean one up.


    229. timmie on June 9th, 2005 8:09 am

      is anybody here

    230. BJ on June 9th, 2005 8:10 am

      Thanks Tom.
      I think you’re right should be a busy day with new developement.

    231. marie from maine on June 9th, 2005 8:13 am

      hee hee tom! No trouble for me! im off- take care guys i will be checking in again!

    232. Jane Doe on June 9th, 2005 8:19 am

      I agree “Romantically involved” is a very poor choice of words to describe what probably really took place. It’s about time these three young men were in custody. They are surely hiding something.

      Thoughts and prayers with Natalee and her family, friends and the good people of Aruba!

    233. Jane Doe on June 9th, 2005 8:20 am

      Hey, Marie.. I’m in Maine too. :) I have some friends that spend time every year in Aruba and they love it. Nice to see another Mainer!

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